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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: wdleehi on May 17, 2018, 01:59:07 PM
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I am inspired by a David Thorpe tweet about what the Celtics should do.
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Play a game with me. Say the Celts make it to the Finals and even win 1 or 2. Say Ainge wants this same core to grow together. So he moves Kyrie to the Lakers for Kuzma, Deng (who gets waived), and some picks. Then Hayward to Mavs for Powell, Barnes, picks. Lots of 6'8+ guys.
So I figure we should start a list of bad trade ideas by NBA "experts"
So whenever you see a talking head try (and fail badly) to play GM, post.
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I am inspired by a David Thorpe tweet about what the Celtics should do.
@coachthorpe
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Play a game with me. Say the Celts make it to the Finals and even win 1 or 2. Say Ainge wants this same core to grow together. So he moves Kyrie to the Lakers for Kuzma, Deng (who gets waived), and some picks. Then Hayward to Mavs for Powell, Barnes, picks. Lots of 6'8+ guys.
So I figure we should start a list of bad trade ideas by NBA "experts"
So whenever you see a talking head try (and fail badly) to play GM, post.
I'm trying to figure out the logic behind that tweet, but I'm honestly stumped. Why would we trade our best players for okay players, bad contracts, and bad picks?
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Wow. I didn't expect them to be that bad when I clicked on the topic.
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Those are two absolutely horrible trades. My goodness, taking on the contracts of Deng and Barnes would be Brooklyn/Gerald Wallace compensation-worthy. Instead we trade by far the best players/assets in the trades and receive essentially nothing back...yikes!
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I am inspired by a David Thorpe tweet about what the Celtics should do.
@coachthorpe
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Play a game with me. Say the Celts make it to the Finals and even win 1 or 2. Say Ainge wants this same core to grow together. So he moves Kyrie to the Lakers for Kuzma, Deng (who gets waived), and some picks. Then Hayward to Mavs for Powell, Barnes, picks. Lots of 6'8+ guys.
So I figure we should start a list of bad trade ideas by NBA "experts"
So whenever you see a talking head try (and fail badly) to play GM, post.
I'm trying to figure out the logic behind that tweet, but I'm honestly stumped. Why would we trade our best players for okay players, bad contracts, and bad picks?
Think of what you could do with that salary cap space (that the trade wouldn't even create)
You could bring in one or two good FAs?
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I am inspired by a David Thorpe tweet about what the Celtics should do.
@coachthorpe
Follow Follow @coachthorpe
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Play a game with me. Say the Celts make it to the Finals and even win 1 or 2. Say Ainge wants this same core to grow together. So he moves Kyrie to the Lakers for Kuzma, Deng (who gets waived), and some picks. Then Hayward to Mavs for Powell, Barnes, picks. Lots of 6'8+ guys.
So I figure we should start a list of bad trade ideas by NBA "experts"
So whenever you see a talking head try (and fail badly) to play GM, post.
I'm trying to figure out the logic behind that tweet, but I'm honestly stumped. Why would we trade our best players for okay players, bad contracts, and bad picks?
I guess his logic is just get as many 6'8ish guys as you can. In that case, why waive Deng? He's perfect!
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Wow. I didn't expect them to be that bad when I clicked on the topic.
He kept digging the hole deeper too playing defense.
Basically he thinks Brown/Tatum are too good to be held back by Kyrie/Hayward so we need to preemptively blow up the team for cap space to extend Brown/Tatum.
Which, is
a) assuming a problem before it occurs
b) wasting two years of contending before the problem would manifest
c) even if you are trading Kyrie/Hayward awful value
Thorpe is an interesting guy to listen to about coaching players on developing and his experience with his clients, but is among the worst armchair gm/coaches
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I am inspired by a David Thorpe tweet about what the Celtics should do.
@coachthorpe
Follow Follow @coachthorpe
More
Play a game with me. Say the Celts make it to the Finals and even win 1 or 2. Say Ainge wants this same core to grow together. So he moves Kyrie to the Lakers for Kuzma, Deng (who gets waived), and some picks. Then Hayward to Mavs for Powell, Barnes, picks. Lots of 6'8+ guys.
So I figure we should start a list of bad trade ideas by NBA "experts"
So whenever you see a talking head try (and fail badly) to play GM, post.
I'm trying to figure out the logic behind that tweet, but I'm honestly stumped. Why would we trade our best players for okay players, bad contracts, and bad picks?
Think of what you could do with that salary cap space (that the trade wouldn't even create)
You could bring in one or two good FAs?
Even trading them to a team with open cap space (Philly?) and a top 10 pick would make more sense than this crap
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Thorpe is always an idiot about this stuff, but dang, that’s bad:
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So the way I am reading this is that if this group gets a couple games off GSW, that Ainge should run with this team and get rid of Kyrie & Hayward. It's not important what he gets for them. The important part is that they're moved to free up room / cash for continuing development of Rozier, Brown, Smart, Tatum. Let's at least frame the problem right. He understands that these trades aren't getting value back. The problem is, there are far better cheap players to align with this core than the garbage that he thought of. We don't want Kuzma, Powell or anything like that. He'd at least have a leg to stand on if we're talking about Lauri Markkanen or Devin Booker.
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Wow. I didn't expect them to be that bad when I clicked on the topic.
He kept digging the hole deeper too playing defense.
Basically he thinks Brown/Tatum are too good to be held back by Kyrie/Hayward so we need to preemptively blow up the team for cap space to extend Brown/Tatum.
Which, is
a) assuming a problem before it occurs
b) wasting two years of contending before the problem would manifest
c) even if you are trading Kyrie/Hayward awful value
Thorpe is an interesting guy to listen to about coaching players on developing and his experience with his clients, but is among the worst armchair gm/coaches
I like the part where Brown and Tatum would be unhappy with a reduction in time and touches.
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My all-time favorite, from Peter May:
Here's a pair of trade scenarios the Celtics could explore: We know the Hornets want to get rid of Jamaal Magloire and that he wants out of New Orleans (along with everyone else on the roster). Would the Hornets package Magloire, George Lynch, and a future No. 1 for Pierce? Or for Pierce and Kendrick Perkins? The Celtics could then keep Magloire or turn around and trade him to Toronto for Eric Williams, Lamond Murray, and maybe a No. 1.
This would do two things. It would give the Celtics two big veteran locker room guys in Lynch and Williams, whose presence is essential on such a young team. With Gary Payton gone and Antoine Walker on the precipice, there's no experience on this team (Mark Blount is the oldest and Pierce and Raef LaFrentz have been in the NBA the longest). Yes, Pierce would be gone. But scoring was never a problem for the Celtics and it shouldn't be with next season's team. And maybe Ainge could extract a couple of picks in the deals.
My guess is that there won't be anything close to a fan rebellion if Ainge deals Pierce because the serious fan will understand why the deal had to be made. When Walker was traded, Ainge felt he had some explaining to do. With Pierce, whatever happens, the deal should be self-explanatory.
Pierce + Perk for Magloire + Lynch + future #1. Lol.
Peter May was such a tool. He was talented, but lazy and bitter for at least 10 to 15 years before retiring.
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They just want to make the Celtics worse and their favorite teams better
Nothing new
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Wow. I didn't expect them to be that bad when I clicked on the topic.
He kept digging the hole deeper too playing defense.
Basically he thinks Brown/Tatum are too good to be held back by Kyrie/Hayward so we need to preemptively blow up the team for cap space to extend Brown/Tatum.
Which, is
a) assuming a problem before it occurs
b) wasting two years of contending before the problem would manifest
c) even if you are trading Kyrie/Hayward awful value
Thorpe is an interesting guy to listen to about coaching players on developing and his experience with his clients, but is among the worst armchair gm/coaches
I like the part where Brown and Tatum would be unhappy with a reduction in time and touches.
Yeah, he mentioned Brown and Tatum's agents not liking the idea of playing behind Hayward and Irving next year. Pretty sure we're a couple years removed from the second best player in the NBA purposely joining a team that would limit his touches.
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Wow. I didn't expect them to be that bad when I clicked on the topic.
He kept digging the hole deeper too playing defense.
Basically he thinks Brown/Tatum are too good to be held back by Kyrie/Hayward so we need to preemptively blow up the team for cap space to extend Brown/Tatum.
Which, is
a) assuming a problem before it occurs
b) wasting two years of contending before the problem would manifest
c) even if you are trading Kyrie/Hayward awful value
Thorpe is an interesting guy to listen to about coaching players on developing and his experience with his clients, but is among the worst armchair gm/coaches
I like the part where Brown and Tatum would be unhappy with a reduction in time and touches.
Yeah, he mentioned Brown and Tatum's agents not liking the idea of playing behind Hayward and Irving next year. Pretty sure we're a couple years removed from the second best player in the NBA purposely joining a team that would limit his touches.
The Starting five is Horford, Tatum, Brown, Hayward, and Kyrie.
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Wow. I didn't expect them to be that bad when I clicked on the topic.
He kept digging the hole deeper too playing defense.
Basically he thinks Brown/Tatum are too good to be held back by Kyrie/Hayward so we need to preemptively blow up the team for cap space to extend Brown/Tatum.
Which, is
a) assuming a problem before it occurs
b) wasting two years of contending before the problem would manifest
c) even if you are trading Kyrie/Hayward awful value
Thorpe is an interesting guy to listen to about coaching players on developing and his experience with his clients, but is among the worst armchair gm/coaches
I like the part where Brown and Tatum would be unhappy with a reduction in time and touches.
Yeah, he mentioned Brown and Tatum's agents not liking the idea of playing behind Hayward and Irving next year. Pretty sure we're a couple years removed from the second best player in the NBA purposely joining a team that would limit his touches.
The Starting five is Horford, Tatum, Brown, Hayward, and Kyrie.
Think about that for a second: Jayson Tatum is going to be the worst player in our starting line-up next year.
It's not that I don't care about this year, but I really can't wait for next year!
Mike
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Wow. I didn't expect them to be that bad when I clicked on the topic.
He kept digging the hole deeper too playing defense.
Basically he thinks Brown/Tatum are too good to be held back by Kyrie/Hayward so we need to preemptively blow up the team for cap space to extend Brown/Tatum.
Which, is
a) assuming a problem before it occurs
b) wasting two years of contending before the problem would manifest
c) even if you are trading Kyrie/Hayward awful value
Thorpe is an interesting guy to listen to about coaching players on developing and his experience with his clients, but is among the worst armchair gm/coaches
I like the part where Brown and Tatum would be unhappy with a reduction in time and touches.
Yeah, he mentioned Brown and Tatum's agents not liking the idea of playing behind Hayward and Irving next year. Pretty sure we're a couple years removed from the second best player in the NBA purposely joining a team that would limit his touches.
The Starting five is Horford, Tatum, Brown, Hayward, and Kyrie.
Think about that for a second: Jayson Tatum is going to be the worst player in our starting line-up next year.
It's not that I don't care about this year, but I really can't wait for next year!
Mike
When we defend our championship? Yeah, that'll be fun!
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My all-time favorite, from Peter May:
I think this article sums it up best of all:
http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/2004/peter-may-an-embarrassment ;D
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I must be the only person to see the sarcasm in Thorpe's tweet. I'm not on twitter, so I don't know anything further besides what was included in the OP's post. The impression that I got from the tweet, is that you don't need star players as long as you have a team of 6'8" and over guys. It's almost as if he's mocking the success of this Celtics team. There is no way that he is serious about those trades.
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My all-time favorite, from Peter May:
I think this article sums it up best of all:
http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/2004/peter-may-an-embarrassment ;D
Pretty much. And hat tip for the Jeff Clark blast from the past.
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I must be the only person to see the sarcasm in Thorpe's tweet. I'm not on twitter, so I don't know anything further besides what was included in the OP's post. The impression that I got from the tweet, is that you don't need star players as long as you have a team of 6'8" and over guys. It's almost as if he's mocking the success of this Celtics team. There is no way that he is serious about those trades.
He literally doubled down and argued about it with probably 20 more tweets as he got roasted on twitter about it.
He was quite serious, I expect him to argue it again in a podcast he's usually on this afternoon.
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I must be the only person to see the sarcasm in Thorpe's tweet. I'm not on twitter, so I don't know anything further besides what was included in the OP's post. The impression that I got from the tweet, is that you don't need star players as long as you have a team of 6'8" and over guys. It's almost as if he's mocking the success of this Celtics team. There is no way that he is serious about those trades.
He literally doubled down and argued about it with probably 20 more tweets as he got roasted on twitter about it.
He was quite serious, I expect him to argue it again in a podcast he's usually on this afternoon.
He is defending his idea: "Brown and Tatum getting 28 shots a game in the postseason, 7+ ft's a game combined. Irving and Hayward will get about 32 shots a game next year plus 9+ ft's combined. You think Brown and Tatum will still get 28? Cause they will want 32+, might get far less."
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Wow. I didn't expect them to be that bad when I clicked on the topic.
He kept digging the hole deeper too playing defense.
Basically he thinks Brown/Tatum are too good to be held back by Kyrie/Hayward so we need to preemptively blow up the team for cap space to extend Brown/Tatum.
Which, is
a) assuming a problem before it occurs
b) wasting two years of contending before the problem would manifest
c) even if you are trading Kyrie/Hayward awful value
Thorpe is an interesting guy to listen to about coaching players on developing and his experience with his clients, but is among the worst armchair gm/coaches
I like the part where Brown and Tatum would be unhappy with a reduction in time and touches.
Yeah, he mentioned Brown and Tatum's agents not liking the idea of playing behind Hayward and Irving next year. Pretty sure we're a couple years removed from the second best player in the NBA purposely joining a team that would limit his touches.
I don’t know why so many believe they have to play behind the two all-stars.
Opening night Brown and Tatum were starters, alongside Irving, Hawayrd, and Horford.
Rozier is the only one that would be relegated to a different role than he currently has. Smart has been the sixth man on this team. We all know the big dilemma for Ainge is what to do with those two (keep one, keep both, let Smart walk AND sell high on Rozier?), but the other two players will be just fine next to our vets.
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And This exchange: James Scola
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maybe, just maybe, hayward and kyrie will scale back their usage knowing that this team-oriented ball could lead to a title. has this ever crossed your mind?
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Now that's funny.
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I must be the only person to see the sarcasm in Thorpe's tweet. I'm not on twitter, so I don't know anything further besides what was included in the OP's post. The impression that I got from the tweet, is that you don't need star players as long as you have a team of 6'8" and over guys. It's almost as if he's mocking the success of this Celtics team. There is no way that he is serious about those trades.
He literally doubled down and argued about it with probably 20 more tweets as he got roasted on twitter about it.
He was quite serious, I expect him to argue it again in a podcast he's usually on this afternoon.
You very well are most likely correct. However, I have a hard time believing that he is that dumb. Maybe I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, and I'm associating it to trolling his followers. I'm going to file this in the same draw as Kyrie's flat Earth trolling theory.
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This is what happens when people get buried in their own over-analysis.
Brown & Tatum have shown every indication that they want to win, and would be on board with at least a couple years of title contention playing key roles, even if everyone can't score 20 every night. Teams like GS, HOU, TOR all scored 5-10 points more every night that us this year, no reason we can't get to that level which means more for everyone.
Morris and Semi played over 40MPG this year, and as great as their playoff roles have been, are totally expendable in the regular season vs Brown, Tatum and Hayward.
Not everyone is going to be healthy.
Hayward will be brought back slowly.
Irving will be brought back slowly.
Guys will get rest nights off.
Tatum, Brown, Hayward will all have opportunities to play the "4" at times.
Smart may not return.
TL;DR; trading away stars 'cause we have too many is pretty dumb.
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I am inspired by a David Thorpe tweet about what the Celtics should do.
@coachthorpe
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Play a game with me. Say the Celts make it to the Finals and even win 1 or 2. Say Ainge wants this same core to grow together. So he moves Kyrie to the Lakers for Kuzma, Deng (who gets waived), and some picks. Then Hayward to Mavs for Powell, Barnes, picks. Lots of 6'8+ guys.
So I figure we should start a list of bad trade ideas by NBA "experts"
So whenever you see a talking head try (and fail badly) to play GM, post.
I'm trying to figure out the logic behind that tweet, but I'm honestly stumped. Why would we trade our best players for okay players, bad contracts, and bad picks?
If I'm following this "thought process" correctly, he's trying to find some way to instantly turn the Lakers into a contender, again, via a trade that wouldn't even go through on 2K, lol ;D, but, you know, it's the Lakers, so logic ::). I think.
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I'm not sure his premise is wrong (though trading Hayward would be a terrible message), but his execution on his premise was terrible.