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Title: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: esel1000 on May 15, 2018, 08:25:09 PM
Never too early to start right?

As long as the pick isn’t #1 and the Kings are worse than Philly, it’s ours 👍
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on May 15, 2018, 08:26:19 PM
Nope. Can't wait for next May's lottery drawing (not the bogus show obviously though...)

Can't wait to "warch" the Kings!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on May 15, 2018, 08:27:19 PM
Yay.

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: esel1000 on May 15, 2018, 08:28:34 PM
Nope. Can't wait for next May's lottery drawing (not the bogus show obviously though...)

Can't wait to "warch" the Kings!  :laugh:

Nothing like typing on an iPhone  :'(
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on May 15, 2018, 08:29:41 PM
Next years draft is going to be nice. A lot of wings, and Dukies

1. RJ Barrett (6'6" SG, Duke) comp: Michael Redd/Grant Hill
2. Bruno Fernando (6'10", 245 lb, PF/C, Maryland)  comp: emeka okafor
3. Cam Reddish ( 6'7" SG/SF, Duke) comp: Rudy Gay / Joe Johnson
4. Rui Hachimura  (6'8", 225 lb, SF, Gonzaga) comp: Wilson Chandler
5. Zion Williamson ( 6'6'', 272 lb, PF, Duke)   comp:  larry johnson

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: BringToughnessBack on May 15, 2018, 08:32:50 PM
Lets hope Kings choose s player like Embiid in 18 draft..one that is invisible for first few years and great after that
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on May 15, 2018, 08:41:07 PM
Never too early to start right?

Lets hope the Suns don't trade Ayton to them for Doncic , WCS +
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on May 15, 2018, 08:54:28 PM
Lets hope Kings choose s player like Embiid in 18 draft..one that is invisible for first few years and great after that
tru but next years draft is the first reformed one. The top 5 have equal chances at #1. If the kings can avoid being top 5 that would be good
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on May 15, 2018, 09:01:54 PM
Lets hope Kings choose s player like Embiid in 18 draft..one that is invisible for first few years and great after that
tru but next years draft is the first reformed one. The top 5 have equal chances at #1. If the kings can avoid being top 5 that would be good
On the one hand want a top 4 pick, on the other dread Philly getting the #1
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on May 15, 2018, 09:09:08 PM
Nope. Can't wait for next May's lottery drawing (not the bogus show obviously though...)

Can't wait to "warch" the Kings!  :laugh:

Nothing like typing on an iPhone  :'(

It's cool, was just having some fun!  ;D
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: liam on May 15, 2018, 09:09:08 PM
Nice, but we also need one for The Sixers since we get the worse of the two picks....
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on May 15, 2018, 09:17:52 PM
Lets hope Kings choose s player like Embiid in 18 draft..one that is invisible for first few years and great after that
tru but next years draft is the first reformed one. The top 5 have equal chances at #1. If the kings can avoid being top 5 that would be good
Only the bottom 3 have the same odds at the #1 pick at 14.0% each.  The 4th worst has 12.5% chance.  Teams will also be able to drop 4 spots since they are picking the top 4. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on May 15, 2018, 10:09:12 PM
Sucks our Lakers pick did not convey.

Oh well, onto 2019 draft!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on May 15, 2018, 10:25:09 PM
Next years draft is going to be nice. A lot of wings, and Dukies

1. RJ Barrett (6'6" SG, Duke) comp: Michael Redd/Grant Hill
2. Bruno Fernando (6'10", 245 lb, PF/C, Maryland)  comp: emeka okafor
3. Cam Reddish ( 6'7" SG/SF, Duke) comp: Rudy Gay / Joe Johnson
4. Rui Hachimura  (6'8", 225 lb, SF, Gonzaga) comp: Wilson Chandler
5. Zion Williamson ( 6'6'', 272 lb, PF, Duke)   comp:  larry johnson

A lot of trade bait you mean... yes.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: Diggles on May 15, 2018, 10:27:34 PM
Kyrie for Fox and their 1st this draft?  Resign Smart for 4/40?    (Depends on who’s left on the board) Does Danny say no? Does Sacramento say no?   Helps with Cap room.   But you lose a super star...
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on May 15, 2018, 10:46:45 PM
Kyrie for Fox and their 1st this draft?  Resign Smart for 4/40?    (Depends on who’s left on the board) Does Danny say no? Does Sacramento say no?   Helps with Cap room.   But you lose a super star...
Danny wouldn't do that and neither would the Kings.  Kyrie is a free agent after next season and there is no way he'd re-sign with the Kings. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on May 16, 2018, 03:57:55 AM
Hopefully this pick isn't traded before the season starts.  Nice to see familiar posters in this watch thread from the Brooklyn watch years. :)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on May 16, 2018, 04:18:52 AM
So, safe to say we won the Kyrie Trade?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on May 16, 2018, 04:38:28 AM
Kyrie for Fox and their 1st this draft?  Resign Smart for 4/40?    (Depends on who’s left on the board) Does Danny say no? Does Sacramento say no?   Helps with Cap room.   But you lose a super star...
Danny definitely says no. That makes us massively worse
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: esel1000 on May 16, 2018, 09:36:16 AM
So, safe to say we won the Kyrie Trade?

Don’t want to jinx it (Cavs could find a steal at #8) but as of right now it looks like it.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: libermaniac on May 16, 2018, 03:28:41 PM
Here's a guy projected to go #8 in 2019, an undersized Center, that looks just like Perk with a different hair style.  LOL

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/nazreon-reid
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: bknova on May 16, 2018, 03:30:56 PM
Also new lotto rules in effect next year....
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on May 16, 2018, 03:33:48 PM
Here's a guy projected to go #8 in 2019, an undersized Center, that looks just like Perk with a different hair style.  LOL

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/nazreon-reid
lol
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on May 16, 2018, 03:48:44 PM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: footey on May 16, 2018, 03:52:55 PM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019

Disagree. I see him giving them an instant lift.  Rather they draft a project, even Bagley.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on May 16, 2018, 04:21:29 PM
Next year's draft looks below-average to awful. I've seen Barrett play and he's all over the place. Can't shoot well and somewhat turnover prone. He's going to a good coach so that should help his game. One player I didn't see listed in the top prospects list above is Nassir Little. He's like a Jaylen Brown clone. To boot, we might have 3 picks in the top 20. Memphis will improve and LAC will get some players back from injury. Don't think they'll tank to miss the playoffs. Doc is on a thin wire.
I think a lot of our picks may be trade bait this summer, which is good as it will help next year's team.
Also, the HS senior class next year WILL NOT be part of the 2019 draft, which is a bummer for us. There are better prospects in that class than next one. We shall see how it plays out though.

Looking at the Kings roster, they still don't have a Tatum-type young player or players. They are all nothing to worry about as far as busting out goes. Fox might be their gem but he still can't shoot well right now. Their top pick this year will be the wild card but even he (be it Doncic, Bagley, Jackson or Porter) won't elevate this team to a playoff contender. They just don't have the solid veterans to make that kind of run. ZBo is getting old. Carter is a goner. Bogdanovic is average. Heild put up points after getting traded but he's no difference maker. Giles has yet to do anything and he IS injury prone. That roster is meh at best. As of now, I see their pick falling between 3 and 6.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: slamtheking on May 16, 2018, 04:30:43 PM
Nice, but we also need one for The Sixers since we get the worse of the two picks....
confused by this.

what do you mean by "we also need one for The Sixers"?.  Also, we get the better of the 2 picks between Sac and Philly, not the worse except if one of them is the #1 pick then we get the other pick which would be worse
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: PAOBoston on May 16, 2018, 05:04:39 PM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Vermont Green on May 16, 2018, 05:44:00 PM
My head almost exploded as I thought about this possible trade:

To Sac:    Their pick via Philly
To Bos:    Cauley-Stein

So if Sac/Philly gets the #1 pick, Sac would get Philly pick so Sac would want to tank but not tank too much.  They would be in control of this to a point.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on May 16, 2018, 05:58:16 PM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: esel1000 on May 16, 2018, 09:18:35 PM
Here's a guy projected to go #8 in 2019, an undersized Center, that looks just like Perk with a different hair style.  LOL

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/nazreon-reid
lol

Hopefully he’s a little better than Perk to be projected that high  :)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on May 16, 2018, 09:23:36 PM
Here's a guy projected to go #8 in 2019, an undersized Center, that looks just like Perk with a different hair style.  LOL

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/nazreon-reid
lol

Hopefully he’s a little better than Perk to be projected that high  :)
Reid has a pretty awesome handle for his size. Think he said he played PG in high school. Don't know much about him though, will be interesting to see how LSU's squad goes with their new guys
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: PAOBoston on May 16, 2018, 09:55:04 PM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on May 16, 2018, 09:58:18 PM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Ogaju on May 16, 2018, 10:04:36 PM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?

Europe happened..
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on May 16, 2018, 10:05:19 PM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?
Are you serious man? SG version of Saric?

He's arguably the best player in Europe right now and he's a teenager. That's the difference. The others were good European prospects. He's a 19 year old tearing up the second best league in the world.

And if you think his defence will be average you clearly haven't paid enough attention to him. He's 6'8" and nearly 230, and defends 1-4 in Europe. He'll be just fine defensively.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on May 16, 2018, 10:09:21 PM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?
Are you serious man? SG version of Saric?

He's arguably the best player in Europe right now and he's a teenager. That's the difference. The others were good European prospects. He's a 19 year old tearing up the second best league in the world.

And if you think his defence will be average you clearly haven't paid enough attention to him. He's 6'8" and nearly 230, and defends 1-4 in Europe. He'll be just fine defensively.

2nd best league on par with the G league?  ;D

He struggles driving past solid defenders.  He has trouble staying in front of quick players.  He can be passive(over passing) and I dont see much toughness

The nba is on a different level...we will see if he can stand out. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on May 16, 2018, 10:14:37 PM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?

Europe happened..

You mean the nba happened

Most of those tricks of his suddenly disappeared.

Was a defensive liability
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Eddie20 on May 16, 2018, 10:16:55 PM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?
Are you serious man? SG version of Saric?

He's arguably the best player in Europe right now and he's a teenager. That's the difference. The others were good European prospects. He's a 19 year old tearing up the second best league in the world.

And if you think his defence will be average you clearly haven't paid enough attention to him. He's 6'8" and nearly 230, and defends 1-4 in Europe. He'll be just fine defensively.

2nd best league on par with the G league?  ;D

He struggles driving past solid defenders.  He has trouble staying in front of quick players.  He can be passive(over passing) and I dont see much toughness

The nba is on a different level...we will see if he can stand out.

G-League level? Triboy, you really need to get yourself educated better with the talent over there so you don't sound foolish.

I can't wrap my head around how you compare fringe level talent like Mickey to a better defensive Bosh and Trey Burke to CP3, but then underrate a talent like Doncic. It's really crazy, man.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on May 16, 2018, 10:18:01 PM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?
Are you serious man? SG version of Saric?

He's arguably the best player in Europe right now and he's a teenager. That's the difference. The others were good European prospects. He's a 19 year old tearing up the second best league in the world.

And if you think his defence will be average you clearly haven't paid enough attention to him. He's 6'8" and nearly 230, and defends 1-4 in Europe. He'll be just fine defensively.

2nd best league on par with the G league?  ;D

He struggles driving past solid defenders.  He has trouble staying in front of quick players.  He can be passive(over passing) and I dont see much toughness

The nba is on a different level...we will see if he can stand out.

G-League level? Triboy, you really need to get yourself educated better with the talent over there so you don't sound foolish.

I can't wrap my head around how you compare fringe level talent like Mickey to a better defensive Bosh and Trey Burke to CP3, but then underrate a talent like Doncic. It's really crazy, man.

Hey Mr Dragan Bender

You should be the last guy to talk

Dragan Bender. What happened? 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Eddie20 on May 16, 2018, 10:18:55 PM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?

Europe happened..

You mean the nba happened

Most of those tricks of his suddenly disappeared.

Was a defensive liability

Triboy, another comment that simply isn't factual. You're just making up stuff now. Rubio has always been a very good defensive player.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on May 16, 2018, 10:20:26 PM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?
Are you serious man? SG version of Saric?

He's arguably the best player in Europe right now and he's a teenager. That's the difference. The others were good European prospects. He's a 19 year old tearing up the second best league in the world.

And if you think his defence will be average you clearly haven't paid enough attention to him. He's 6'8" and nearly 230, and defends 1-4 in Europe. He'll be just fine defensively.

2nd best league on par with the G league?  ;D

He struggles driving past solid defenders.  He has trouble staying in front of quick players.  He can be passive(over passing) and I dont see much toughness

The nba is on a different level...we will see if he can stand out.

G-League level? Triboy, you really need to get yourself educated better with the talent over there so you don't sound foolish.

I can't wrap my head around how you compare fringe level talent like Mickey to a better defensive Bosh and Trey Burke to CP3, but then underrate a talent like Doncic. It's really crazy, man.

Trey Burke is still in the league. So is Mickey

Where is Cliff Alexandre?

Also didnt you say Poeltl was going to be good?

Yeah whatever
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on May 16, 2018, 10:22:39 PM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?

Europe happened..

You mean the nba happened

Most of those tricks of his suddenly disappeared.

Was a defensive liability

Triboy, another comment that simply isn't factual. You're just making up stuff now. Rubio has always been a very good defensive player.

The point is, Rubio was overhyped as some wonder Euro prospect

Then NBA happened. Just like it happened to your Dragan Bender bust
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Eddie20 on May 16, 2018, 10:27:45 PM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?
Are you serious man? SG version of Saric?

He's arguably the best player in Europe right now and he's a teenager. That's the difference. The others were good European prospects. He's a 19 year old tearing up the second best league in the world.

And if you think his defence will be average you clearly haven't paid enough attention to him. He's 6'8" and nearly 230, and defends 1-4 in Europe. He'll be just fine defensively.

2nd best league on par with the G league?  ;D

He struggles driving past solid defenders.  He has trouble staying in front of quick players.  He can be passive(over passing) and I dont see much toughness

The nba is on a different level...we will see if he can stand out.

G-League level? Triboy, you really need to get yourself educated better with the talent over there so you don't sound foolish.

I can't wrap my head around how you compare fringe level talent like Mickey to a better defensive Bosh and Trey Burke to CP3, but then underrate a talent like Doncic. It's really crazy, man.

Hey Mr Dragan Bender

You should be the last guy to talk

Dragan Bender. What happened?

Your insistence on Bender being a bust is really weird. The kid is 20 years old and if you bother doing research you would realize over the last month of the season he averaged 13 ppg, 10.4 rpg, on 53.3% from the field and 46.7% from 3's. Are you basing your opinion on him being a bust because you're looking at raw numbers? If so, then you also need to look at his low usage rate. A 7'1" big that can shoot 36.6% from 3, and switch and defend on the perimeter is a very valuable thing.

The Poeltl thing is weird too. He's actually a very good player, who will be the starter next year if Jonas is moved. Even if he's not moved, he could supplant Jonas due to his ability to move his feet defend the perimeter. Not a star at all, which I never claimed him to be, but a solid big like I said he had the potential to be.

BTW...Mickey is no longer on an NBA team. The Heat didn't want him back and declined his option.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on May 16, 2018, 10:34:27 PM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?
Are you serious man? SG version of Saric?

He's arguably the best player in Europe right now and he's a teenager. That's the difference. The others were good European prospects. He's a 19 year old tearing up the second best league in the world.

And if you think his defence will be average you clearly haven't paid enough attention to him. He's 6'8" and nearly 230, and defends 1-4 in Europe. He'll be just fine defensively.

2nd best league on par with the G league?  ;D

He struggles driving past solid defenders.  He has trouble staying in front of quick players.  He can be passive(over passing) and I dont see much toughness

The nba is on a different level...we will see if he can stand out.

G-League level? Triboy, you really need to get yourself educated better with the talent over there so you don't sound foolish.

I can't wrap my head around how you compare fringe level talent like Mickey to a better defensive Bosh and Trey Burke to CP3, but then underrate a talent like Doncic. It's really crazy, man.

Hey Mr Dragan Bender

You should be the last guy to talk

Dragan Bender. What happened?

Your insistence on Bender being a bust is really weird. The kid is 20 years old and if you bother doing research you would realize over the last month of the season he averaged 13 ppg, 10.4 rpg, on 53.3% from the field and 46.7% from 3's. Are you basing your opinion on him being a bust because you're looking at raw numbers? If so, then you also need to look at his low usage rate. A 7'1" big that can shoot 36.6% from 3, and switch and defend on the perimeter is a very valuable thing.

The Poeltl thing is weird too. He's actually a very good player, who will be the starter next year if Jonas is moved. Even if he's not moved, he could supplant Jonas due to his ability to move his feet defend the perimeter. Not a star at all, which I never claimed him to be, but a solid big like I said he had the potential to be.


Didnt you claim the Celts should have drafted Bender 3rd?

He is a soft player. Has added very little for the Suns so far. I doubt this trend will change. 

You also like Poeltl because? He provides very little on the offensive end..

You dont draft a player like that 8th
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on May 16, 2018, 10:44:08 PM
The suns were the worst team for a reason

Bender and Jackson are garbage. We dodged 2 bullets
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on May 17, 2018, 12:48:51 AM
Hope they take a big with #2.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on May 17, 2018, 02:07:47 AM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?
Are you serious man? SG version of Saric?

He's arguably the best player in Europe right now and he's a teenager. That's the difference. The others were good European prospects. He's a 19 year old tearing up the second best league in the world.

And if you think his defence will be average you clearly haven't paid enough attention to him. He's 6'8" and nearly 230, and defends 1-4 in Europe. He'll be just fine defensively.

2nd best league on par with the G league?  ;D

He struggles driving past solid defenders.  He has trouble staying in front of quick players.  He can be passive(over passing) and I dont see much toughness

The nba is on a different level...we will see if he can stand out.
Literally none of those criticisms are true. What are you talking about?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: ederson on May 17, 2018, 06:38:23 AM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?

You really seem to truly know european basketball  :o

Rubio was a wonder kid you played at the top level ..... Doncic dominates. He leads Real Madrid he doesn't just play for Real.


Suddenly being something like the starting pg for a top8 team in NBA is a bad thing.....
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Birdman on May 17, 2018, 07:33:33 AM
Kings are a mess...Divac has no idea what he doing..trading Cousins for nothing should tell u that
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Eddie20 on May 17, 2018, 07:57:34 AM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?
Are you serious man? SG version of Saric?

He's arguably the best player in Europe right now and he's a teenager. That's the difference. The others were good European prospects. He's a 19 year old tearing up the second best league in the world.

And if you think his defence will be average you clearly haven't paid enough attention to him. He's 6'8" and nearly 230, and defends 1-4 in Europe. He'll be just fine defensively.

2nd best league on par with the G league?  ;D

He struggles driving past solid defenders.  He has trouble staying in front of quick players.  He can be passive(over passing) and I dont see much toughness

The nba is on a different level...we will see if he can stand out.

Triboy, the link below was against Spain, which included past and present NBA players like the Gasol bros, the Hernangomez bros, Rubio, Rodriguez, and JC Navarro. He had 11 pts, 12 reb, 8 ast, and zero turnovers. Oh, and he wad still 18 during that game.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M7DTLInbLpY

Now this is against some other NBA guys such as Westbrook, Oladipo, and Larkin. He was 17 during that OKC game vs Westbrook and Oladipo.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F9flJ_nUAhw

Let me know if you still want to go with your Saric comparison?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Androslav on May 17, 2018, 08:15:49 AM
Maybe the self-proclaimed king goes to the self-proclaimed Kings, that seems fitting and he has a house in Cali after all. The King of the kings (his new self-appreciating nick, in the manner that the great Persian rulers practiced eons ago, even more pompous than the last one), it's not good for our lottery hopes, I'll tell you that.
But I'd love to see Lebron in the purple, with the Indo-Serbian brain trust above him.

BTW, Croatia here.
Luka is a much bigger talent than Dario is.
The biggest similarity is that both of their fathers went pro basketball.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: slamtheking on May 17, 2018, 09:08:55 AM
I know in other discussions some people were concerned that the Kings would be bad enough that they were likely to win the lottery next year.  I didn't think they'd be that bad but somewhere in the bottom 5.  Now, with them having the 2nd pick this year, I'm not so sure they end up bottom 5 next year.

They will either get Ayton or Doncic.  either one will make them better than a lot of the other bottom feeder teams this season.  We could see that pick slide to 8-10.  Still should get a decent prospect at that point but not as good a prospect as we had hoped.

hope I'm wrong, but if the Suns take Ayton as I suspect, Doncic seems to bring a lot of talent that the Kings really need and could turn them into a below-mediocre team from a bottom feeder.
Fox/Hield/Doncic/Jackson/WCS  decent young starting 5.  not world beaters but not complete stiffs either.
Bogdonovic, Skal, Koufos, Temple.  not a great bench but as a team, could win their fair share against bad teams.




Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on May 17, 2018, 09:26:48 AM
To those that would trade Rozier this offseason:

Would you, in your most generous, final offer to consolidate assets: flip this pick (or preferably the Memphis pick), #27 and Rozier for the 6th pick this year, for the right to almost certainly take one of Bamba, Carter or Jackson Jr? Assume it’s Carter or Bamba.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Fafnir on May 17, 2018, 09:32:50 AM
To those that would trade Rozier this offseason:

Would you, in your most generous, final offer to consolidate assets: flip this pick (or preferably the Memphis pick), #27 and Rozier for the 6th pick this year, for the right to almost certainly take one of Bamba, Carter or Jackson Jr? Assume it’s Carter or Bamba.
I'd probably do that for the certainty of it. But I also have followed this draft class way more than next year's so I'm probably undervaluing next year's talent.

I'd love Jaren Jackson Jr on this team.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on May 17, 2018, 09:39:15 AM
I know in other discussions some people were concerned that the Kings would be bad enough that they were likely to win the lottery next year.  I didn't think they'd be that bad but somewhere in the bottom 5.  Now, with them having the 2nd pick this year, I'm not so sure they end up bottom 5 next year.

They will either get Ayton or Doncic.  either one will make them better than a lot of the other bottom feeder teams this season.  We could see that pick slide to 8-10.  Still should get a decent prospect at that point but not as good a prospect as we had hoped.

hope I'm wrong, but if the Suns take Ayton as I suspect, Doncic seems to bring a lot of talent that the Kings really need and could turn them into a below-mediocre team from a bottom feeder.
Fox/Hield/Doncic/Jackson/WCS  decent young starting 5.  not world beaters but not complete stiffs either.
Bogdonovic, Skal, Koufos, Temple.  not a great bench but as a team, could win their fair share against bad teams.
I'm thinking the same sorta thing.

However, I do think that PHX will take Doncic. I feel as if their new coach would love the chance to work with a guy he knows, and Doncic/Booker is effectively unguardable.

That being said, Ayton did play at Arizona, so who knows
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Birdman on May 17, 2018, 09:40:00 AM
Kings and Suns are going to be the 2 worst teams in the west next season no matter who they take so im thinking Kings pick will b top 4
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on May 17, 2018, 09:44:20 AM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?

You really seem to truly know european basketball  :o

Rubio was a wonder kid you played at the top level ..... Doncic dominates. He leads Real Madrid he doesn't just play for Real.


Suddenly being something like the starting pg for a top8 team in NBA is a bad thing.....

Doncic avg 15 pts , 5 ass, 5 reb last season

How is this "dominate"??
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: mef730 on May 17, 2018, 10:23:23 AM
Nope. Can't wait for next May's lottery drawing (not the bogus show obviously though...)

Can't wait to "warch" the Kings!  :laugh:

I think that "warch" is an excellent word and am hereby declaring that it is the word to use from now on.

 "Warch:"
/wärCH,wôrCH/

Watch the Sacramento Kings during the 2018-19 season with morbid curiosity, in hopes that they will lose.

Use in a sentence: I stayed up late to warch last night. Got my wish, as Phoenix beat the Kings 120-87.

Mike
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on May 17, 2018, 10:24:51 AM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?

You really seem to truly know european basketball  :o

Rubio was a wonder kid you played at the top level ..... Doncic dominates. He leads Real Madrid he doesn't just play for Real.


Suddenly being something like the starting pg for a top8 team in NBA is a bad thing.....

Doncic avg 15 pts , 5 ass, 5 reb last season

How is this "dominate"??
Maybe it's got something to do with playing 25mpg.

I really question your knowledge of Euro ball
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: ederson on May 17, 2018, 10:44:44 AM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?

You really seem to truly know european basketball  :o

Rubio was a wonder kid you played at the top level ..... Doncic dominates. He leads Real Madrid he doesn't just play for Real.


Suddenly being something like the starting pg for a top8 team in NBA is a bad thing.....

Doncic avg 15 pts , 5 ass, 5 reb last season

How is this "dominate"??


ok... be honest.. you haven't watched more than 3 mins of european basketball ....

Everyone is entitled of an opinion but trying to prove people wrong when you clearly don't know what you are talking about is plain stupid.

watch the euroleague final four this weekend ... you may learn something
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on May 17, 2018, 11:08:30 AM
I know in other discussions some people were concerned that the Kings would be bad enough that they were likely to win the lottery next year.  I didn't think they'd be that bad but somewhere in the bottom 5.  Now, with them having the 2nd pick this year, I'm not so sure they end up bottom 5 next year.

They will either get Ayton or Doncic.  either one will make them better than a lot of the other bottom feeder teams this season.  We could see that pick slide to 8-10.  Still should get a decent prospect at that point but not as good a prospect as we had hoped.

hope I'm wrong, but if the Suns take Ayton as I suspect, Doncic seems to bring a lot of talent that the Kings really need and could turn them into a below-mediocre team from a bottom feeder.
Fox/Hield/Doncic/Jackson/WCS  decent young starting 5.  not world beaters but not complete stiffs either.
Bogdonovic, Skal, Koufos, Temple.  not a great bench but as a team, could win their fair share against bad teams.

Certainly too early to tell as we don’t know what other teams will do. May see teams like Toronto and/or Cleveland blow it up, while teams like the Lakers or Knicks may rise.

Regardless, isn’t the lottery reform coming next year? Meaning it will be pretty level odds for the worst teams and much more of a crapshoot.

All told, I’d be fine if Danny moves the pick. We still have the potential of three firsts (although unlikely and I’m hoping that Memphis pick keeps rolling over until it’s unprotected) and I haven’t heard that class is notable just yet.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on May 17, 2018, 11:09:20 AM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?

You really seem to truly know european basketball  :o

Rubio was a wonder kid you played at the top level ..... Doncic dominates. He leads Real Madrid he doesn't just play for Real.


Suddenly being something like the starting pg for a top8 team in NBA is a bad thing.....

Doncic avg 15 pts , 5 ass, 5 reb last season

How is this "dominate"??


ok... be honest.. you haven't watched more than 3 mins of european basketball ....

Everyone is entitled of an opinion but trying to prove people wrong when you clearly don't know what you are talking about is plain stupid.

watch the euroleague final four this weekend ... you may learn something

what is plain stupid is labelling 15, 5, 5 as "dominate"

get the facts straight

potential is one thing, dominate is another






Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on May 17, 2018, 11:15:02 AM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?

You really seem to truly know european basketball  :o

Rubio was a wonder kid you played at the top level ..... Doncic dominates. He leads Real Madrid he doesn't just play for Real.


Suddenly being something like the starting pg for a top8 team in NBA is a bad thing.....

Doncic avg 15 pts , 5 ass, 5 reb last season

How is this "dominate"??
Maybe it's got something to do with playing 25mpg.

I really question your knowledge of Euro ball

I have seen him play several times.   He is good overall prospect but overhyped

If you think he is going to "Donovon Mitchell" the Kings or Suns out of the basement, I highly disagree

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Fafnir on May 17, 2018, 11:26:31 AM
Why am I not shocked that 15-5-5 doesn't impress.

(https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/ap_raptors_celtics_basketball_98847464.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Fafnir on May 17, 2018, 11:28:48 AM
Oh and the MVP of Euroleague last year?

16-6-2

 ::)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on May 17, 2018, 11:29:53 AM
The Doncic / Saric comparisons are absurd. Doncic is a better player right now. The only thing Saric is ahead of Doncic is he's physically more mature. The proof will be evident next year when we'll see Doncic don an NBA jersey and start ballin'. Saric didn't come over here until he was 22 years old. Doncic will be 19 when he makes his debut. I like Saric but you won't find a single person who'll swap him (and a pick, just for kicks) for Doncic.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on May 17, 2018, 11:47:09 AM
The Doncic / Saric comparisons are absurd. Doncic is a better player right now. The only thing Saric is ahead of Doncic is he's physically more mature. The proof will be evident next year when we'll see Doncic don an NBA jersey and start ballin'. Saric didn't come over here until he was 22 years old. Doncic will be 19 when he makes his debut. I like Saric but you won't find a single person who'll swap him (and a pick, just for kicks) for Doncic.

you think Saric career prior to the NBA was a piece of toast???

Cibona Zagreb (2012–2014)
After Saric had registered a triple-double in the final game with 19 points, 14 rebounds and 10 assists, in addition to 10 drawn fouls, he was named the MVP of the tournament.

Anadolu Efes (2014–2016)
He was named the EuroLeague 2014–15 season's MVP of the Month for the month of November, becoming the youngest player in EuroLeague history to win the monthly MVP award.Over 4 EuroLeague games in November, he averaged 15.5 points and 7.8 rebounds per game.

In January 2015, he was named the 2014 FIBA Europe Young Men's Player of the Year, his second consecutive award.


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on May 17, 2018, 11:55:45 AM
Like I said, we won't know until they roll the ball out for Doncic but you will be surprised by how much better he is over Saric. Let's not forget Saric is a 6'10 power forward and Doncic is a 6'7 point forward. Doncic is fun to watch (not to be confused with Rubio fun to watch), just how easy the game comes to him and has more skills than Saric. The values are not comparable in my opinion.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: bknova on May 17, 2018, 12:01:38 PM
It seems Mr. Doncic might not want any part of NBA purgatory.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2776519-luka-doncic-says-hes-not-sure-if-he-will-leave-real-madrid-for-2018-nba-draft?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Vermont Green on May 17, 2018, 12:04:52 PM
I don't think any pick is going to help the Kings win many games next season, it is very rare that rookies make an immediate impact (but certainly not unprecedented).  It should be a decent pick, top 10 almost for sure and with a fairly high chance to be top 5.

When you consider that it is just the gravy on top of Tatum, I am good with that.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on May 17, 2018, 12:06:30 PM
Anyone know anything about Bruno Fernando? NBADraft.net has him listed as #2 in the 2019 draft.

Mike
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: ederson on May 17, 2018, 12:12:43 PM
Praying Sac drafts Doncic

This way we still have a chance at a high pick in 2019
Doncic is a winner. He will make that team better.

So was Saric

Doncic is the SG version of Saric

good but not franchise calibre. Defense is average on the nba court. watch
Doncic is significantly better than Saric. He's the best prospect to ever come out of Europe.

They also said that about Rubio

What happened?

You really seem to truly know european basketball  :o

Rubio was a wonder kid you played at the top level ..... Doncic dominates. He leads Real Madrid he doesn't just play for Real.


Suddenly being something like the starting pg for a top8 team in NBA is a bad thing.....

Doncic avg 15 pts , 5 ass, 5 reb last season

How is this "dominate"??


ok... be honest.. you haven't watched more than 3 mins of european basketball ....

Everyone is entitled of an opinion but trying to prove people wrong when you clearly don't know what you are talking about is plain stupid.

watch the euroleague final four this weekend ... you may learn something

what is plain stupid is labelling 15, 5, 5 as "dominate"

get the facts straight

potential is one thing, dominate is another

The fact is that you have absolutely no idea what is euroleague.

That is the stag line of a dominant player in europe. Like it or not... And that stat line while leading a team like Real is impressive. He is 19 playing against grown men who are actual basket players players. He doesn't play in China nor against college kids.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on May 17, 2018, 12:19:41 PM
Best case is they draft Doncic and he initially stays overseas like Rubio

Seems extremely unlikely any player they pick will propel them to the playoffs in the West though, where they haven’t been since 2006
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: slamtheking on May 17, 2018, 12:35:39 PM
Best case is they draft Doncic and he initially stays overseas like Rubio

Seems extremely unlikely any player they pick will propel them to the playoffs in the West though, where they haven’t been since 2006
agreed, unlikely any player drafted will get them to the playoffs but Doncic, moreso than Ayton, would fit that team a bit better and quite possibly help their current prospects to develop a bit quicker.  Kings may improve themselves enough to move from a likely top 5 pick next year to between 8-10.  Granted, that's gravy considering the Tatum/Fultz differential but I'm greedy and want a top 5 pick.

Considering the $ for the second pick, that'd be a lot for Doncic to turn down (in addition to extending his ties to the Kings for as long as he stays in Europe).  It'd certainly help the C's get a better pick next year so I'm all for Doncic staying away for another year but I just don't see that realistically happening.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Fafnir on May 17, 2018, 12:37:12 PM
Best case is they draft Doncic and he initially stays overseas like Rubio

Seems extremely unlikely any player they pick will propel them to the playoffs in the West though, where they haven’t been since 2006
Doncic already made some slight noise about maybe not going to the NBA.

He might be angling to avoid the Kings.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: droopdog7 on May 17, 2018, 03:23:08 PM
Regarding the pick, I'm trying to wrap my mind around the thinking that the SACs pick will be premium.  It wasn't top 5 this year, when they actually had an incentive to tank.  Next year fox will be older and they have the #2 pick, which could make them a tiny bit better.  And they will have zero incentive to tank.

Will they make the playoffs?  Probably not.  But I'm expecting a pick in the 10-12 range, which is okay but far from great.  That player probably would not even crack the rotation.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on May 17, 2018, 03:35:54 PM
Regarding the pick, I'm trying to wrap my mind around the thinking that the SACs pick will be premium.  It wasn't top 5 this year, when they actually had an incentive to tank.  Next year fox will be older and they have the #2 pick, which could make them a tiny bit better.  And they will have zero incentive to tank.

Will they make the playoffs?  Probably not.  But I'm expecting a pick in the 10-12 range, which is okay but far from great.  That player probably would not even crack the rotation.

On the bright side: Even if Sac is good, Memphis could still be bad enough that their pick gets deferred to 2020, when the protection is only 1-6 instead of 1-8. Or the Clippers could end up in the lottery again, deferring their potential first-rounder to a better draft in 2020.

Look, mathematics says that somebody in the west is going to suck, and we could benefit.

Mike
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on May 17, 2018, 03:35:56 PM
Regarding the pick, I'm trying to wrap my mind around the thinking that the SACs pick will be premium.  It wasn't top 5 this year, when they actually had an incentive to tank.  Next year fox will be older and they have the #2 pick, which could make them a tiny bit better.  And they will have zero incentive to tank.

Will they make the playoffs?  Probably not.  But I'm expecting a pick in the 10-12 range, which is okay but far from great.  That player probably would not even crack the rotation.

I'm more afraid the pick will be #1 than I am of it being 10-12. The Kings will stink. The Suns will improve, they have Booker. I like fox but he is a couple of years away from leading a team anywhere and who else do the Kings have?

Sacramento Kings Roster

TEAM ROSTER
NO.   NAME   POS   AGE   HT   WT   COLLEGE   2017-2018 SALARY
8   Bogdan Bogdanovic   SG   25   6-6   205       $9,412,280
22   Bruno Caboclo   SF   22   6-9   205       $2,451,225
15   Vince Carter   SG   41   6-6   220   North Carolina   $8,000,000
00   Willie Cauley-Stein   C   24   7-0   240   Kentucky   $3,704,160
45   Jack Cooley   PF   27   6-10   274   Notre Dame   
5   De'Aaron Fox   PG   20   6-3   175   Kentucky   $4,609,200
20   Harry Giles   PF   20   6-10   240   Duke   $1,859,400
40   Nigel Hayes   SF   23   6-7   254   Wisconsin   $55,296
24   Buddy Hield   SG   24   6-4   214   Oklahoma   $3,675,480
25   Justin Jackson   SF   23   6-8   210   North Carolina   $2,365,560
41   Kosta Koufos   C   29   7-0   265   Ohio State   $8,393,000
7   Skal Labissiere   PF   22   6-11   225   Kentucky   $1,312,611
10   Frank Mason III   PG   24   5-11   190   Kansas   $1,184,385
50   Zach Randolph   PF   36   6-9   250   Michigan State   $12,307,692
29   JaKarr Sampson   SF   25   6-9   207   St. John's   
9   Iman Shumpert   SG   27   6-5   220   Georgia Tech   $10,337,079
17   Garrett Temple   SF   32   6-6   195   LSU   $8,000,000
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Fafnir on May 17, 2018, 03:39:59 PM
Regarding the pick, I'm trying to wrap my mind around the thinking that the SACs pick will be premium.  It wasn't top 5 this year, when they actually had an incentive to tank.  Next year fox will be older and they have the #2 pick, which could make them a tiny bit better.  And they will have zero incentive to tank.

Will they make the playoffs?  Probably not.  But I'm expecting a pick in the 10-12 range, which is okay but far from great.  That player probably would not even crack the rotation.

I'm more afraid the pick will be #1 than I am of it being 10-12. The Kings will stink. The Suns will improve, they have Booker. I like fox but he is a couple of years away from leading a team anywhere and who else do the Kings have?
Highest chance any pick has of being no 1 is 14% next year.

Its a risk but a small one, much bigger risk that the Kings randomly win 30+ games. Especially when they don't have any incentive to tank hard in the last few months of the season.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on May 17, 2018, 03:45:20 PM
Regarding the pick, I'm trying to wrap my mind around the thinking that the SACs pick will be premium.  It wasn't top 5 this year, when they actually had an incentive to tank.  Next year fox will be older and they have the #2 pick, which could make them a tiny bit better.  And they will have zero incentive to tank.

Will they make the playoffs?  Probably not.  But I'm expecting a pick in the 10-12 range, which is okay but far from great.  That player probably would not even crack the rotation.

I'm more afraid the pick will be #1 than I am of it being 10-12. The Kings will stink. The Suns will improve, they have Booker. I like fox but he is a couple of years away from leading a team anywhere and who else do the Kings have?
Highest chance any pick has of being no 1 is 14% next year.

Its a risk but a small one, much bigger risk that the Kings randomly win 30+ games. Especially when they don't have any incentive to tank hard in the last few months of the season.

I guess that could happen. They had 27 wins this year which I am surprised by.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: droopdog7 on May 17, 2018, 03:56:39 PM
On a side note, can people imagine if we had the Kings pick 2-5 this year instead of the lakers?  I know it wasn't a possibility but this place would have gone nuts.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on May 17, 2018, 04:02:02 PM
Whoa... if Doncic decides not to enter the NBA next season and instead enter through next year's draft... suddenly that Kings Pick looks real sexy if it lands #2 or #3 next summer...  :o ;D
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on May 18, 2018, 07:38:08 PM
Hopefully Clippers at #12 and 13 get lucky!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on May 28, 2018, 03:52:41 PM
Regarding the pick, I'm trying to wrap my mind around the thinking that the SACs pick will be premium.  It wasn't top 5 this year, when they actually had an incentive to tank.  Next year fox will be older and they have the #2 pick, which could make them a tiny bit better.  And they will have zero incentive to tank.

Will they make the playoffs?  Probably not.  But I'm expecting a pick in the 10-12 range, which is okay but far from great.  That player probably would not even crack the rotation.

I'm more afraid the pick will be #1 than I am of it being 10-12. The Kings will stink. The Suns will improve, they have Booker. I like fox but he is a couple of years away from leading a team anywhere and who else do the Kings have?

Sacramento Kings Roster

TEAM ROSTER
NO.   NAME   POS   AGE   HT   WT   COLLEGE   2017-2018 SALARY
8   Bogdan Bogdanovic   SG   25   6-6   205       $9,412,280
22   Bruno Caboclo   SF   22   6-9   205       $2,451,225
15   Vince Carter   SG   41   6-6   220   North Carolina   $8,000,000
00   Willie Cauley-Stein   C   24   7-0   240   Kentucky   $3,704,160
45   Jack Cooley   PF   27   6-10   274   Notre Dame   
5   De'Aaron Fox   PG   20   6-3   175   Kentucky   $4,609,200
20   Harry Giles   PF   20   6-10   240   Duke   $1,859,400
40   Nigel Hayes   SF   23   6-7   254   Wisconsin   $55,296
24   Buddy Hield   SG   24   6-4   214   Oklahoma   $3,675,480
25   Justin Jackson   SF   23   6-8   210   North Carolina   $2,365,560
41   Kosta Koufos   C   29   7-0   265   Ohio State   $8,393,000
7   Skal Labissiere   PF   22   6-11   225   Kentucky   $1,312,611
10   Frank Mason III   PG   24   5-11   190   Kansas   $1,184,385
50   Zach Randolph   PF   36   6-9   250   Michigan State   $12,307,692
29   JaKarr Sampson   SF   25   6-9   207   St. John's   
9   Iman Shumpert   SG   27   6-5   220   Georgia Tech   $10,337,079
17   Garrett Temple   SF   32   6-6   195   LSU   $8,000,000

Yikes @ that roster.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 22, 2018, 03:51:13 PM
Bagley to SAC
Jaren Jackson Jr. to MEM
Gilgeous-Alexander (#11) and Jerome Robinson (#13) to LAC
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 03:53:30 PM
I feel like JJJ would've been a far better fit on that team versus Bagley. But Bagley's motor and ability to rebound would be useful.

That roster is awful though. Bleh.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on June 27, 2018, 11:34:09 AM
Kings targeting jabari parker and hezonja
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/kings/kings-have-solid-options-wing-free-agency#slide-3
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Monkhouse on June 27, 2018, 11:39:29 AM
Kings targeting jabari parker and hezonja
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/kings/kings-have-solid-options-wing-free-agency#slide-3

So basically hoping to bottom out once again lol.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on June 27, 2018, 12:03:41 PM
Come the end of next season I can see that a lot of people may be mad if our pick isn't "good," when IMO, ANY pick is great because it's bonus ADDED to Tatum!! I'm not getting worked up about this pick at all! The only way I'd even care (very little) is if it's #1. I would love it if we hit on the pick, don't get me wrong, but we already have a prize regardless of that outcome.

What, if we lose the pick or if it's low does it mean any of you would take back the trade if you could? I doubt it. I still think Fultz is gonna be good, he didn't say or do anything to make me dislike him unlike his teammates. He was a rookie, he has plenty of time to get it together. I'm glad DA took Tatum even though I was on Fultz like a fly to poop! I know the name of the trade game is to not lose but I'm still good with Tat no matter what Fultz does, he's ours regardless!

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on June 27, 2018, 12:12:15 PM
Kings targeting jabari parker and hezonja
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/kings/kings-have-solid-options-wing-free-agency#slide-3

So basically hoping to bottom out once again lol.

Lol Parker would at least be able to score for them.

I’m liking the rumors the Mavs and Suns are hoping to make a big splash in FA.  That’s 2 teams I expect to be better than the Kings.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on June 27, 2018, 12:42:55 PM
Next years draft is going to be nice. A lot of wings, and Dukies

1. RJ Barrett (6'6" SG, Duke) comp: Michael Redd/Grant Hill
2. Bruno Fernando (6'10", 245 lb, PF/C, Maryland)  comp: emeka okafor
3. Cam Reddish ( 6'7" SG/SF, Duke) comp: Rudy Gay / Joe Johnson
4. Rui Hachimura  (6'8", 225 lb, SF, Gonzaga) comp: Wilson Chandler
5. Zion Williamson ( 6'6'', 272 lb, PF, Duke)   comp:  larry johnson


A lot of trade bait you mean... yes.

This post is over a month old, but what's up with Barrett's comps?  Michael Redd and Grant Hill?  Those 2 players are almost nothing alike.  I don't get it.  Zion's comp is right on though.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on June 27, 2018, 12:59:39 PM
Next years draft is going to be nice. A lot of wings, and Dukies

1. RJ Barrett (6'6" SG, Duke) comp: Michael Redd/Grant Hill
2. Bruno Fernando (6'10", 245 lb, PF/C, Maryland)  comp: emeka okafor
3. Cam Reddish ( 6'7" SG/SF, Duke) comp: Rudy Gay / Joe Johnson
4. Rui Hachimura  (6'8", 225 lb, SF, Gonzaga) comp: Wilson Chandler
5. Zion Williamson ( 6'6'', 272 lb, PF, Duke)   comp:  larry johnson


A lot of trade bait you mean... yes.

This post is over a month old, but what's up with Barrett's comps?  Michael Redd and Grant Hill?  Those 2 players are almost nothing alike.  I don't get it.  Zion's comp is right on though.
i pulled it from a random site

Guessing redd cuz he’s a leftie but that’s kind of lazy
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: saltlover on June 27, 2018, 01:05:53 PM
Next years draft is going to be nice. A lot of wings, and Dukies

1. RJ Barrett (6'6" SG, Duke) comp: Michael Redd/Grant Hill
2. Bruno Fernando (6'10", 245 lb, PF/C, Maryland)  comp: emeka okafor
3. Cam Reddish ( 6'7" SG/SF, Duke) comp: Rudy Gay / Joe Johnson
4. Rui Hachimura  (6'8", 225 lb, SF, Gonzaga) comp: Wilson Chandler
5. Zion Williamson ( 6'6'', 272 lb, PF, Duke)   comp:  larry johnson


A lot of trade bait you mean... yes.

This post is over a month old, but what's up with Barrett's comps?  Michael Redd and Grant Hill?  Those 2 players are almost nothing alike.  I don't get it.  Zion's comp is right on though.
i pulled it from a random site

Guessing redd cuz he’s a leftie but that’s kind of lazy

Maybe they think injury is going to limit his potential? (Haven’t heard any injury concerns, but Redd and Hill have injury in common as much as anything).
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Warch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on June 27, 2018, 01:44:59 PM
Next years draft is going to be nice. A lot of wings, and Dukies

1. RJ Barrett (6'6" SG, Duke) comp: Michael Redd/Grant Hill
2. Bruno Fernando (6'10", 245 lb, PF/C, Maryland)  comp: emeka okafor
3. Cam Reddish ( 6'7" SG/SF, Duke) comp: Rudy Gay / Joe Johnson
4. Rui Hachimura  (6'8", 225 lb, SF, Gonzaga) comp: Wilson Chandler
5. Zion Williamson ( 6'6'', 272 lb, PF, Duke)   comp:  larry johnson


A lot of trade bait you mean... yes.

This post is over a month old, but what's up with Barrett's comps?  Michael Redd and Grant Hill?  Those 2 players are almost nothing alike.  I don't get it.  Zion's comp is right on though.
i pulled it from a random site

Guessing redd cuz he’s a leftie but that’s kind of lazy

Maybe they think injury is going to limit his potential? (Haven’t heard any injury concerns, but Redd and Hill have injury in common as much as anything).
It should probably be Manu Ginobili if it's lefty related. Watching him play a couple of times though he doesn't remind me of anyone.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 01, 2018, 09:11:30 PM
Kings targeting jabari parker and hezonja
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/kings/kings-have-solid-options-wing-free-agency#slide-3

Hezonja signed with the Knicks.  :D
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on July 05, 2018, 10:21:38 AM
Everyone (I mean the teams competing for the top of the 2019 draft) is getting better but the Kings :)

This pick is getting more valuable by the day.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 05, 2018, 10:23:28 AM
Everyone (I mean the teams competing for the top of the 2019 draft) is getting better but the Kings :)

This pick is getting more valuable by the day.

Atlanta and Chicago are also staying pat, but yes, the Kings look to be the bottom 5 team many around here expect.  Those three teams are the only ones to have not added any players via free agency or trade so far this summer.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Birdman on July 05, 2018, 10:32:12 AM
5 worst teams are :

Sacramento
Atlanta
Chicago
New York
Brooklyn

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Sophomore on July 05, 2018, 10:41:50 AM
Everyone (I mean the teams competing for the top of the 2019 draft) is getting better but the Kings :)

This pick is getting more valuable by the day.

Atlanta and Chicago are also staying pat, but yes, the Kings look to be the bottom 5 team many around here expect.  Those three teams are the only ones to have not added any players via free agency or trade so far this summer.

It's true that Sacramento hasn't added players thru trade or free agency. However, they did pick up Marvin Bagley and they'll be adding a redshirted Harry Giles. Both players are question marks. Before his ACL injury, Giles was expected to go at the top of the lottery. If he has recovered - and some players do fully recover from an ACL - he could be a ROY-type talent or close to it. How many were ready to write off Simmons and Embiid after their injuries? Bagley is another question mark. His motor and fluidity are outstanding, but his role and ability to defend are less clear. That could be a dynamic young frontcourt that will at least vault the Kings into mediocrity ... or just a pair of too-young players who don't move the needle in the ridiculously competitive West.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on July 05, 2018, 10:46:23 AM
Everyone (I mean the teams competing for the top of the 2019 draft) is getting better but the Kings :)

This pick is getting more valuable by the day.

Atlanta and Chicago are also staying pat, but yes, the Kings look to be the bottom 5 team many around here expect.  Those three teams are the only ones to have not added any players via free agency or trade so far this summer.

It's true that Sacramento hasn't added players thru trade or free agency. However, they did pick up Marvin Bagley and they'll be adding a redshirted Harry Giles. Both players are question marks. Before his ACL injury, Giles was expected to go at the top of the lottery. If he has recovered - and some players do fully recover from an ACL - he could be a ROY-type talent or nearly so. Bagley is another question mark. His motor and fluidity are outstanding, but his defense and proper role are a question mark. That could be a dynamic young frontcourt that at least vault the Kings into mediocrity ... or just a pair of too-young players who don't move the needle in the ridiculously competitive West.
That! Giles and Bagley could be the second coming of Anthony Davis and Chris Bosh and it would still be a long season for the Kings. Confidence of youth doesn't make you better competing with the long list of solid to spectacular West teams.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: esel1000 on July 05, 2018, 10:57:10 AM
Everyone (I mean the teams competing for the top of the 2019 draft) is getting better but the Kings :)

This pick is getting more valuable by the day.

Atlanta and Chicago are also staying pat, but yes, the Kings look to be the bottom 5 team many around here expect.  Those three teams are the only ones to have not added any players via free agency or trade so far this summer.

It's true that Sacramento hasn't added players thru trade or free agency. However, they did pick up Marvin Bagley and they'll be adding a redshirted Harry Giles. Both players are question marks. Before his ACL injury, Giles was expected to go at the top of the lottery. If he has recovered - and some players do fully recover from an ACL - he could be a ROY-type talent or nearly so. Bagley is another question mark. His motor and fluidity are outstanding, but his defense and proper role are a question mark. That could be a dynamic young frontcourt that at least vault the Kings into mediocrity ... or just a pair of too-young players who don't move the needle in the ridiculously competitive West.
That! Giles and Bagley could be the second coming of Anthony Davis and Chris Bosh and it would still be a long season for the Kings. Confidence of youth doesn't make you better competing with the long list of solid to spectacular West teams.

Exactly. The West is so stacked that this Kings team will definitely be near the bottom. Everything, from LBJ going to the Lakers, to the Suns getting it together, to the Grizz getting healthy, to Dallas getting stronger etc. bodes well for this pick.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 05, 2018, 10:57:39 AM
hope they suck
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 05, 2018, 10:57:46 AM
Everyone (I mean the teams competing for the top of the 2019 draft) is getting better but the Kings :)

This pick is getting more valuable by the day.

Atlanta and Chicago are also staying pat, but yes, the Kings look to be the bottom 5 team many around here expect.  Those three teams are the only ones to have not added any players via free agency or trade so far this summer.

It's true that Sacramento hasn't added players thru trade or free agency. However, they did pick up Marvin Bagley and they'll be adding a redshirted Harry Giles. Both players are question marks. Before his ACL injury, Giles was expected to go at the top of the lottery. If he has recovered - and some players do fully recover from an ACL - he could be a ROY-type talent or close to it. How many were ready to write off Simmons and Embiid after their injuries? Bagley is another question mark. His motor and fluidity are outstanding, but his role and ability to defend are less clear. That could be a dynamic young frontcourt that will at least vault the Kings into mediocrity ... or just a pair of too-young players who don't move the needle in the ridiculously competitive West.

You could say the same things about the Hawks with Trey Young, Kevin Huerter, and Omari Spellman, or the Bulls with Wendell Carter Jr. and Chandler Hutchison.  The likelihood that any set of these rookies push their respective teams, who were all in the bottom 5 of point differential per 100 possessions, into even mediocrity is incredibly low.  Again, Sacramento was 29th in net rating.  The difference between them and the mediocre Charlotte Hornets (20th in net rating) was greater than the difference between Charlotte and Toronto (3rd in net rating).  It’s going to be borderline impossible for the Kings to improve that much on the scoreboard, so it will take a lot of good luck for them to improve even half that much and at the same time outperform their expected win total by 4-5 wins again.

It’s much more likely that we lose the #1 pick to Philadelphia than Sacramento improves to the 8-12th team range in the league.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Sophomore on July 05, 2018, 11:14:51 AM
Everyone (I mean the teams competing for the top of the 2019 draft) is getting better but the Kings :)

This pick is getting more valuable by the day.

Atlanta and Chicago are also staying pat, but yes, the Kings look to be the bottom 5 team many around here expect.  Those three teams are the only ones to have not added any players via free agency or trade so far this summer.

It's true that Sacramento hasn't added players thru trade or free agency. However, they did pick up Marvin Bagley and they'll be adding a redshirted Harry Giles. Both players are question marks. Before his ACL injury, Giles was expected to go at the top of the lottery. If he has recovered - and some players do fully recover from an ACL - he could be a ROY-type talent or close to it. How many were ready to write off Simmons and Embiid after their injuries? Bagley is another question mark. His motor and fluidity are outstanding, but his role and ability to defend are less clear. That could be a dynamic young frontcourt that will at least vault the Kings into mediocrity ... or just a pair of too-young players who don't move the needle in the ridiculously competitive West.

You could say the same things about the Hawks with Trey Young, Kevin Huerter, and Omari Spellman, or the Bulls with Wendell Carter Jr. and Chandler Hutchison.  The likelihood that any set of these rookies push their respective teams, who were all in the bottom 5 of point differential per 100 possessions, into even mediocrity is incredibly low.  Again, Sacramento was 29th in net rating.  The difference between them and the mediocre Charlotte Hornets (20th in net rating) was greater than the difference between Charlotte and Toronto (3rd in net rating).  It’s going to be borderline impossible for the Kings to improve that much on the scoreboard, so it will take a lot of good luck for them to improve even half that much and at the same time outperform their expected win total by 4-5 wins again.

It’s much more likely that we lose the #1 pick to Philadelphia than Sacramento improves to the 8-12th team range in the league.

Yeah. That was devils advocate as much anything else. That team really is so very young.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on July 05, 2018, 11:40:13 AM
Everyone (I mean the teams competing for the top of the 2019 draft) is getting better but the Kings :)

This pick is getting more valuable by the day.

Atlanta and Chicago are also staying pat, but yes, the Kings look to be the bottom 5 team many around here expect.  Those three teams are the only ones to have not added any players via free agency or trade so far this summer.

It's true that Sacramento hasn't added players thru trade or free agency. However, they did pick up Marvin Bagley and they'll be adding a redshirted Harry Giles. Both players are question marks. Before his ACL injury, Giles was expected to go at the top of the lottery. If he has recovered - and some players do fully recover from an ACL - he could be a ROY-type talent or close to it. How many were ready to write off Simmons and Embiid after their injuries? Bagley is another question mark. His motor and fluidity are outstanding, but his role and ability to defend are less clear. That could be a dynamic young frontcourt that will at least vault the Kings into mediocrity ... or just a pair of too-young players who don't move the needle in the ridiculously competitive West.

You could say the same things about the Hawks with Trey Young, Kevin Huerter, and Omari Spellman, or the Bulls with Wendell Carter Jr. and Chandler Hutchison.  The likelihood that any set of these rookies push their respective teams, who were all in the bottom 5 of point differential per 100 possessions, into even mediocrity is incredibly low.  Again, Sacramento was 29th in net rating.  The difference between them and the mediocre Charlotte Hornets (20th in net rating) was greater than the difference between Charlotte and Toronto (3rd in net rating).  It’s going to be borderline impossible for the Kings to improve that much on the scoreboard, so it will take a lot of good luck for them to improve even half that much and at the same time outperform their expected win total by 4-5 wins again.

It’s much more likely that we lose the #1 pick to Philadelphia than Sacramento improves to the 8-12th team range in the league.
The Kings have a lot more young talent then the Hawks and Bulls though, and thus you would expect them to improve a much faster rate.  They also were a better team then those 2 last year.  I think the Kings are a 30 win team this year (they won 27 last year).  Now where that ultimately ends up in the standings I have no idea, but I think they have a very strong foundation for future success with some low level mediocrity this year

PG - Fox, Mason
SG - Hield, Temple, Shumpert
SF - Bogdanovic, Jackson
PF - Bagley, Labissiere, Randolph, Giles, Hayes
C - WCS, Koufos

There is a lot of young talent floating around that team, sprinkled in with a few vets.  And I really like Bagley this year as I think he wins the ROY. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Monkhouse on July 05, 2018, 11:45:13 AM
Everyone (I mean the teams competing for the top of the 2019 draft) is getting better but the Kings :)

This pick is getting more valuable by the day.

Atlanta and Chicago are also staying pat, but yes, the Kings look to be the bottom 5 team many around here expect.  Those three teams are the only ones to have not added any players via free agency or trade so far this summer.

It's true that Sacramento hasn't added players thru trade or free agency. However, they did pick up Marvin Bagley and they'll be adding a redshirted Harry Giles. Both players are question marks. Before his ACL injury, Giles was expected to go at the top of the lottery. If he has recovered - and some players do fully recover from an ACL - he could be a ROY-type talent or close to it. How many were ready to write off Simmons and Embiid after their injuries? Bagley is another question mark. His motor and fluidity are outstanding, but his role and ability to defend are less clear. That could be a dynamic young frontcourt that will at least vault the Kings into mediocrity ... or just a pair of too-young players who don't move the needle in the ridiculously competitive West.

You could say the same things about the Hawks with Trey Young, Kevin Huerter, and Omari Spellman, or the Bulls with Wendell Carter Jr. and Chandler Hutchison.  The likelihood that any set of these rookies push their respective teams, who were all in the bottom 5 of point differential per 100 possessions, into even mediocrity is incredibly low.  Again, Sacramento was 29th in net rating.  The difference between them and the mediocre Charlotte Hornets (20th in net rating) was greater than the difference between Charlotte and Toronto (3rd in net rating).  It’s going to be borderline impossible for the Kings to improve that much on the scoreboard, so it will take a lot of good luck for them to improve even half that much and at the same time outperform their expected win total by 4-5 wins again.

It’s much more likely that we lose the #1 pick to Philadelphia than Sacramento improves to the 8-12th team range in the league.
The Kings have a lot more young talent then the Hawks and Bulls though, and thus you would expect them to improve a much faster rate.  They also were a better team then those 2 last year.  I think the Kings are a 30 win team this year (they won 27 last year).  Now where that ultimately ends up in the standings I have no idea, but I think they have a very strong foundation for future success with some low level mediocrity this year

PG - Fox, Mason
SG - Hield, Temple, Shumpert
SF - Bogdanovic, Jackson
PF - Bagley, Labissiere, Randolph, Giles, Hayes
C - WCS, Koufos

There is a lot of young talent floating around that team, sprinkled in with a few vets.  And I really like Bagley this year as I think he wins the ROY.

30 wins? Lol, good luck with how stacked the West is... I predict if the Hawks can benefit from being able to hit the 3's at above league average rate, then maybe they can pull out 29-32 wins.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on July 05, 2018, 12:16:10 PM
Everyone (I mean the teams competing for the top of the 2019 draft) is getting better but the Kings :)

This pick is getting more valuable by the day.

Atlanta and Chicago are also staying pat, but yes, the Kings look to be the bottom 5 team many around here expect.  Those three teams are the only ones to have not added any players via free agency or trade so far this summer.

It's true that Sacramento hasn't added players thru trade or free agency. However, they did pick up Marvin Bagley and they'll be adding a redshirted Harry Giles. Both players are question marks. Before his ACL injury, Giles was expected to go at the top of the lottery. If he has recovered - and some players do fully recover from an ACL - he could be a ROY-type talent or close to it. How many were ready to write off Simmons and Embiid after their injuries? Bagley is another question mark. His motor and fluidity are outstanding, but his role and ability to defend are less clear. That could be a dynamic young frontcourt that will at least vault the Kings into mediocrity ... or just a pair of too-young players who don't move the needle in the ridiculously competitive West.

You could say the same things about the Hawks with Trey Young, Kevin Huerter, and Omari Spellman, or the Bulls with Wendell Carter Jr. and Chandler Hutchison.  The likelihood that any set of these rookies push their respective teams, who were all in the bottom 5 of point differential per 100 possessions, into even mediocrity is incredibly low.  Again, Sacramento was 29th in net rating.  The difference between them and the mediocre Charlotte Hornets (20th in net rating) was greater than the difference between Charlotte and Toronto (3rd in net rating).  It’s going to be borderline impossible for the Kings to improve that much on the scoreboard, so it will take a lot of good luck for them to improve even half that much and at the same time outperform their expected win total by 4-5 wins again.

It’s much more likely that we lose the #1 pick to Philadelphia than Sacramento improves to the 8-12th team range in the league.
The Kings have a lot more young talent then the Hawks and Bulls though, and thus you would expect them to improve a much faster rate.  They also were a better team then those 2 last year.  I think the Kings are a 30 win team this year (they won 27 last year).  Now where that ultimately ends up in the standings I have no idea, but I think they have a very strong foundation for future success with some low level mediocrity this year

PG - Fox, Mason
SG - Hield, Temple, Shumpert
SF - Bogdanovic, Jackson
PF - Bagley, Labissiere, Randolph, Giles, Hayes
C - WCS, Koufos

There is a lot of young talent floating around that team, sprinkled in with a few vets.  And I really like Bagley this year as I think he wins the ROY.

30 wins? Lol, good luck with how stacked the West is... I predict if the Hawks can benefit from being able to hit the 3's at above league average rate, then maybe they can pull out 29-32 wins.
The West was nearly as good last year and they won 27 games.  I think they are better than the Suns and Mavs (I am not a fan of their moves for this season) and who the heck knows what the Grizzlies will actually look like (given the age and injury concerns of their top players).  I think the Kings are clearly better than both the Hawks and Bulls and there is a very good chance they are better than the Knicks and Nets as well and maybe even the Magic (and who really knows what the Hornets and Cavs will look by the end of the summer).  Remember the Kings were 13-17 against the East last year, and just 14-38 against the West.  I don't think 15-15 against the East and 15-37 is all that crazy or even all that unlikely. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Hank Finkel on July 05, 2018, 12:21:50 PM
I am hoping for another #3 pick. We have done well at that position. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 05, 2018, 12:32:01 PM
how much risk are you willing to take? 11 spot for example 2% chance for #1, 14 spot 0.5% for #1.  ;D
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 05, 2018, 12:37:33 PM
Everyone (I mean the teams competing for the top of the 2019 draft) is getting better but the Kings :)

This pick is getting more valuable by the day.

Atlanta and Chicago are also staying pat, but yes, the Kings look to be the bottom 5 team many around here expect.  Those three teams are the only ones to have not added any players via free agency or trade so far this summer.

It's true that Sacramento hasn't added players thru trade or free agency. However, they did pick up Marvin Bagley and they'll be adding a redshirted Harry Giles. Both players are question marks. Before his ACL injury, Giles was expected to go at the top of the lottery. If he has recovered - and some players do fully recover from an ACL - he could be a ROY-type talent or close to it. How many were ready to write off Simmons and Embiid after their injuries? Bagley is another question mark. His motor and fluidity are outstanding, but his role and ability to defend are less clear. That could be a dynamic young frontcourt that will at least vault the Kings into mediocrity ... or just a pair of too-young players who don't move the needle in the ridiculously competitive West.

You could say the same things about the Hawks with Trey Young, Kevin Huerter, and Omari Spellman, or the Bulls with Wendell Carter Jr. and Chandler Hutchison.  The likelihood that any set of these rookies push their respective teams, who were all in the bottom 5 of point differential per 100 possessions, into even mediocrity is incredibly low.  Again, Sacramento was 29th in net rating.  The difference between them and the mediocre Charlotte Hornets (20th in net rating) was greater than the difference between Charlotte and Toronto (3rd in net rating).  It’s going to be borderline impossible for the Kings to improve that much on the scoreboard, so it will take a lot of good luck for them to improve even half that much and at the same time outperform their expected win total by 4-5 wins again.

It’s much more likely that we lose the #1 pick to Philadelphia than Sacramento improves to the 8-12th team range in the league.
The Kings have a lot more young talent then the Hawks and Bulls though, and thus you would expect them to improve a much faster rate.  They also were a better team then those 2 last year.  I think the Kings are a 30 win team this year (they won 27 last year).  Now where that ultimately ends up in the standings I have no idea, but I think they have a very strong foundation for future success with some low level mediocrity this year

PG - Fox, Mason
SG - Hield, Temple, Shumpert
SF - Bogdanovic, Jackson
PF - Bagley, Labissiere, Randolph, Giles, Hayes
C - WCS, Koufos

There is a lot of young talent floating around that team, sprinkled in with a few vets.  And I really like Bagley this year as I think he wins the ROY.

I can guarantee you the Kings don’t win 30 games this year.  100% guarantee.  They won 27 games with the point-differential of a 23-win team, and had no significant injuries.  They hit their absolute ceiling last year, and won 27.  They’re not winning 30.  This is just like people a few years ago saying that Brooklyn would win 30-35 games.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 05, 2018, 12:43:41 PM
Everyone (I mean the teams competing for the top of the 2019 draft) is getting better but the Kings :)

This pick is getting more valuable by the day.

Atlanta and Chicago are also staying pat, but yes, the Kings look to be the bottom 5 team many around here expect.  Those three teams are the only ones to have not added any players via free agency or trade so far this summer.

It's true that Sacramento hasn't added players thru trade or free agency. However, they did pick up Marvin Bagley and they'll be adding a redshirted Harry Giles. Both players are question marks. Before his ACL injury, Giles was expected to go at the top of the lottery. If he has recovered - and some players do fully recover from an ACL - he could be a ROY-type talent or close to it. How many were ready to write off Simmons and Embiid after their injuries? Bagley is another question mark. His motor and fluidity are outstanding, but his role and ability to defend are less clear. That could be a dynamic young frontcourt that will at least vault the Kings into mediocrity ... or just a pair of too-young players who don't move the needle in the ridiculously competitive West.

You could say the same things about the Hawks with Trey Young, Kevin Huerter, and Omari Spellman, or the Bulls with Wendell Carter Jr. and Chandler Hutchison.  The likelihood that any set of these rookies push their respective teams, who were all in the bottom 5 of point differential per 100 possessions, into even mediocrity is incredibly low.  Again, Sacramento was 29th in net rating.  The difference between them and the mediocre Charlotte Hornets (20th in net rating) was greater than the difference between Charlotte and Toronto (3rd in net rating).  It’s going to be borderline impossible for the Kings to improve that much on the scoreboard, so it will take a lot of good luck for them to improve even half that much and at the same time outperform their expected win total by 4-5 wins again.

It’s much more likely that we lose the #1 pick to Philadelphia than Sacramento improves to the 8-12th team range in the league.
The Kings have a lot more young talent then the Hawks and Bulls though, and thus you would expect them to improve a much faster rate.  They also were a better team then those 2 last year.  I think the Kings are a 30 win team this year (they won 27 last year).  Now where that ultimately ends up in the standings I have no idea, but I think they have a very strong foundation for future success with some low level mediocrity this year

PG - Fox, Mason
SG - Hield, Temple, Shumpert
SF - Bogdanovic, Jackson
PF - Bagley, Labissiere, Randolph, Giles, Hayes
C - WCS, Koufos

There is a lot of young talent floating around that team, sprinkled in with a few vets.  And I really like Bagley this year as I think he wins the ROY.

I can guarantee you the Kings don’t win 30 games this year.  100% guarantee.  They won 27 games with the point-differential of a 23-win team, and had no significant injuries.  They hit their absolute ceiling last year, and won 27.  They’re not winning 30.  This is just like people a few years ago saying that Brooklyn would win 30-35 games.

This was my exact thinking. The Bagley-Hield-Bogdonavic-Giles lineup will be a turn-table defensively, even if Fox is on the court. Offensively, they will be alright (with a lot of potential for the future), but not enough to win games.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 05, 2018, 01:00:38 PM
I will honestly be a little bit shocked if the Kings projected win total for 2018-2019 is not among the 5 lowest. The east teams pick up wins by playing against each other a bunch of times (part of the reason the two worst records were out west last year). The Mavericks were tanking so hard last year they were fined for it and they will not be doing it this year. Memphis also clearly wont be in the tank with Conley and Gasol and everything their front office has said. The Kings are going to get absolutely blitzed playing out west. I agree with the other posters that this reminds me of everyone talking up the Nets when we owned their pick when Vegas and every objective measure had them as a bottom team.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 06, 2018, 10:00:54 PM
Bulls matched the LaVine offer sheet!

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The Bulls have decided to match Sacramento's $78M offer sheet to Zach LaVine, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015413847866216449?s=21
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 06, 2018, 10:05:23 PM
Bulls matched the LaVine offer sheet!

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The Bulls have decided to match Sacramento's $78M offer sheet to Zach LaVine, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015413847866216449?s=21
tP
Good news
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on July 06, 2018, 10:10:07 PM
Bulls matched the LaVine offer sheet!

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The Bulls have decided to match Sacramento's $78M offer sheet to Zach LaVine, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015413847866216449?s=21

why in the world don't they wait to match!!  i want us to work something out with Smart first!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on July 06, 2018, 10:12:51 PM
Bulls matched the LaVine offer sheet!

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The Bulls have decided to match Sacramento's $78M offer sheet to Zach LaVine, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015413847866216449?s=21

why in the world don't they wait to match!!  i want us to work something out with Smart first!

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As we learned last year from Otto Porter, Chicago can take 48 hours to match and 48 hours to pass on the physical. Kings cap space would be tied up for 4 days.

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Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Sophomore on July 07, 2018, 03:58:12 PM
Bulls matched the LaVine offer sheet!

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The Bulls have decided to match Sacramento's $78M offer sheet to Zach LaVine, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015413847866216449?s=21

That whole sequence was crazy - huge overpay, long contract. I still don’t expect the Kings to make a run at Smart, but if they’re offering LaVine that kind of money, who knows what they’ll talk themselves into. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 07, 2018, 04:41:12 PM
Bulls matched the LaVine offer sheet!

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The Bulls have decided to match Sacramento's $78M offer sheet to Zach LaVine, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015413847866216449?s=21

why in the world don't they wait to match!!  i want us to work something out with Smart first!

It's a running joke on Blogabull that Bulls management doesn't work on weekends and that's why that hurried to match on a Friday night.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: BringToughnessBack on July 11, 2018, 07:11:26 PM
Bad news for our pick—-NBA will not change one and done til 2021 at earliest—was hoping we would have access to some HS seniors next year
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: ETNCeltics on July 11, 2018, 07:27:35 PM
Vegas seems to have the Kings projected as the 3rd-4th worst team next season. Frankly, I kind of hope they don't wind up in a top 3 slot. I hate to see Philly have that good of a shot at the #1 pick.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 11, 2018, 08:52:46 PM
Vegas seems to have the Kings projected as the 3rd-4th worst team next season. Frankly, I kind of hope they don't wind up in a top 3 slot. I hate to see Philly have that good of a shot at the #1 pick.

with the max shot at #1 being only 14%, will definitely be rooting for them to have the worst record
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JHTruth on July 11, 2018, 11:16:10 PM
Vegas seems to have the Kings projected as the 3rd-4th worst team next season. Frankly, I kind of hope they don't wind up in a top 3 slot. I hate to see Philly have that good of a shot at the #1 pick.

I'll take the 3 pick. You'll get one of Sekou, Zion, maybe Little.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 11, 2018, 11:22:20 PM
Vegas seems to have the Kings projected as the 3rd-4th worst team next season. Frankly, I kind of hope they don't wind up in a top 3 slot. I hate to see Philly have that good of a shot at the #1 pick.

with the max shot at #1 being only 14%, will definitely be rooting for them to have the worst record

And dropping down to 4th reduces it from 14% to 12.5%.  I’ll hope the Kings are as bad as possible.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on July 12, 2018, 06:36:39 AM
Kings will be a 30 win team imo.  Probably around the 6th or 7th worst team next year
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Eddie20 on July 12, 2018, 08:06:46 AM
Kings will be a 30 win team imo.  Probably around the 6th or 7th worst team next year

You haven't thought this through. The Kings won 27 games last year and the teams below them Suns (Ariza & Ayton), Mavericks (Jordan & Doncic), and Grizllies (Jackson & Conley back from injury) have all improved a lot. In addition, the Lakers who were the next team ahead of them in the standings have obviously greatly improved.

So in the much tougher Western Conference , why is that you think they'll improved in the W/L column? The Kings are easily a low 20's win team.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on July 12, 2018, 08:26:03 AM
Kings will be a 30 win team imo.  Probably around the 6th or 7th worst team next year

You haven't thought this through. The Kings won 27 games last year and the teams below them Suns (Ariza & Ayton), Mavericks (Jordan & Doncic), and Grizllies (Jackson & Conley back from injury) have all improved a lot. In addition, the Lakers who were the next team ahead of them in the standings have obviously greatly improved.

So in the much tougher Western Conference , why is that you think they'll improved in the W/L column? The Kings are easily a low 20's win team.
I don't buy Dallas at all.  I think they are going to be terrible.  I also believe the Kings are still better than the Suns (I expect Bagley to win ROY and from all reports Giles is going to play).  I think they are also better than the Bulls, Knicks, and Hawks, and will likely be better than the Magic and Nets and who knows what the Hornets and Cavs end up doing.  I also think there is a real chance some of these western teams decide they are better off tanking again at some point in the season when they don't get off to great starts.

The Kings were 13-17 against the East last year (just 14-38 against the West), in large part because they have a strong home court that is a long flight and often are played in the middle of a long road trip for Eastern teams.  That gives them a real advantage.  I expect them to be in the same general range against the East with another few wins against the West.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Birdman on July 12, 2018, 08:33:38 AM
If Kings win 20 games, i be very shock
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on July 12, 2018, 08:54:10 AM
I would bet TPs the Kings will be a bottom 5 team.   Not sure Bagley will help much as he seems like one of those empty stats guys without much D.

I think the other bottom teams out west Suns, Mavs, and Grizzlies will all be better. In the east there are more bad teams, but they all have to play each other more propping up their win totals.

Everything went right for the Kings last year, and still only won 27 games.  I don’t see them surpassing that total.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Eddie20 on July 12, 2018, 10:56:29 AM
Kings will be a 30 win team imo.  Probably around the 6th or 7th worst team next year

You haven't thought this through. The Kings won 27 games last year and the teams below them Suns (Ariza & Ayton), Mavericks (Jordan & Doncic), and Grizllies (Jackson & Conley back from injury) have all improved a lot. In addition, the Lakers who were the next team ahead of them in the standings have obviously greatly improved.

So in the much tougher Western Conference , why is that you think they'll improved in the W/L column? The Kings are easily a low 20's win team.
I don't buy Dallas at all.  I think they are going to be terrible.  I also believe the Kings are still better than the Suns (I expect Bagley to win ROY and from all reports Giles is going to play).  I think they are also better than the Bulls, Knicks, and Hawks, and will likely be better than the Magic and Nets and who knows what the Hornets and Cavs end up doing.  I also think there is a real chance some of these western teams decide they are better off tanking again at some point in the season when they don't get off to great starts.

The Kings were 13-17 against the East last year (just 14-38 against the West), in large part because they have a strong home court that is a long flight and often are played in the middle of a long road trip for Eastern teams.  That gives them a real advantage.  I expect them to be in the same general range against the East with another few wins against the West.

You don't have to "buy" Dallas, but Jordan over Powell or Kleber is a HUGE improvement. The improvement at that position will likely account for a few extra wins.

The one thing you're missing with the Suns is the amount of games missed (45 games) by their best 2 scorers (Booker and Warren). So not only should they play more games, as the Suns were tanking hard, but they also added Ayton, Bridges, and Ariza.

The EC teams you mentioned could potentially be worse player-for-player than the Kings, but those teams will be stealing wins vs each other so the wins for those teams will likely be higher than the Kings.

This is what Vegas has as the bottom 12 teams (teams bolded for obvious reasons):

Cleveland Cavaliers   35.5
Los Angeles Clippers   35.5
Charlotte Hornets   35.5
Detroit Pistons   35.5
Phoenix Suns   34.5
Dallas Mavericks   30.5
Orlando Magic   28.5
Chicago Bulls   28.5
Memphis Grizzlies   27.5
Sacramento Kings   27.5

Atlanta Hawks   26.5
Brooklyn Nets   25.5
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: wiley on July 12, 2018, 11:27:06 AM
Kings will be a 30 win team imo.  Probably around the 6th or 7th worst team next year

You haven't thought this through. The Kings won 27 games last year and the teams below them Suns (Ariza & Ayton), Mavericks (Jordan & Doncic), and Grizllies (Jackson & Conley back from injury) have all improved a lot. In addition, the Lakers who were the next team ahead of them in the standings have obviously greatly improved.

So in the much tougher Western Conference , why is that you think they'll improved in the W/L column? The Kings are easily a low 20's win team.
I don't buy Dallas at all.  I think they are going to be terrible.  I also believe the Kings are still better than the Suns (I expect Bagley to win ROY and from all reports Giles is going to play).  I think they are also better than the Bulls, Knicks, and Hawks, and will likely be better than the Magic and Nets and who knows what the Hornets and Cavs end up doing.  I also think there is a real chance some of these western teams decide they are better off tanking again at some point in the season when they don't get off to great starts.

The Kings were 13-17 against the East last year (just 14-38 against the West), in large part because they have a strong home court that is a long flight and often are played in the middle of a long road trip for Eastern teams.  That gives them a real advantage.  I expect them to be in the same general range against the East with another few wins against the West.

Disagree.  Dallas should revive nicely with sophomore PG Smith Jr. and Doncic.  Brunson will be a nice addition too.  Barnes and DeAndre Jordan....I doubt they'll make the playoffs unless they have more space to add that I don't know about...but they'll be far better than the Kings.  15-20 wins better I'm guessing. 

The Suns will score a lot this year and should defend pretty well too.  8 wins better than the Kings.

JJJ and Conley added to Grizzlies.  If no Conley then yes, they'll be bad. 

Cleveland might be horrible.  They could be one of the three worst teams this year IMO.  Even Atlanta might be as good as the Cavs.  Only way the Cavs are not one of the five worst teams is if Collin Sexton is a major stud with a chance at rookie of the year...

I think Brooklyn is feisty and will win 30 to 35 games.

If the Kings somehow manage to not be one of the three worst teams I'll give them a standing ovation...

My guess for worst three teams:  Sac., Atlanta, Cleveland
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 12, 2018, 12:56:12 PM
Kings will be a 30 win team imo.  Probably around the 6th or 7th worst team next year

You haven't thought this through. The Kings won 27 games last year and the teams below them Suns (Ariza & Ayton), Mavericks (Jordan & Doncic), and Grizllies (Jackson & Conley back from injury) have all improved a lot. In addition, the Lakers who were the next team ahead of them in the standings have obviously greatly improved.

So in the much tougher Western Conference , why is that you think they'll improved in the W/L column? The Kings are easily a low 20's win team.
I don't buy Dallas at all.  I think they are going to be terrible.  I also believe the Kings are still better than the Suns (I expect Bagley to win ROY and from all reports Giles is going to play).  I think they are also better than the Bulls, Knicks, and Hawks, and will likely be better than the Magic and Nets and who knows what the Hornets and Cavs end up doing.  I also think there is a real chance some of these western teams decide they are better off tanking again at some point in the season when they don't get off to great starts.

The Kings were 13-17 against the East last year (just 14-38 against the West), in large part because they have a strong home court that is a long flight and often are played in the middle of a long road trip for Eastern teams.  That gives them a real advantage.  I expect them to be in the same general range against the East with another few wins against the West.

You don't have to "buy" Dallas, but Jordan over Powell or Kleber is a HUGE improvement. The improvement at that position will likely account for a few extra wins.

The one thing you're missing with the Suns is the amount of games missed (45 games) by their best 2 scorers (Booker and Warren). So not only should they play more games, as the Suns were tanking hard, but they also added Ayton, Bridges, and Ariza.

The EC teams you mentioned could potentially be worse player-for-player than the Kings, but those teams will be stealing wins vs each other so the wins for those teams will likely be higher than the Kings.

This is what Vegas has as the bottom 12 teams (teams bolded for obvious reasons):

Cleveland Cavaliers   35.5
Los Angeles Clippers   35.5
Charlotte Hornets   35.5
Detroit Pistons   35.5
Phoenix Suns   34.5
Dallas Mavericks   30.5
Orlando Magic   28.5
Chicago Bulls   28.5
Memphis Grizzlies   27.5
Sacramento Kings   27.5

Atlanta Hawks   26.5
Brooklyn Nets   25.5

I have been looking for this, the site I use has not posted all teams yet, but this is what I expected. The idea the Kings are going to be the 7th or 8th worst team is certainly an outlier opinion. I would be pretty surprised if they are not bottom 5 record. They actually had a record that outperformed their point differential last year. If I felt like tieing up money for the year I would probably bomb Memphis over here. That is very very low for a team that will be having Conley, Gasol, Anderson, Green and perhaps some contributions from Jackson.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on July 12, 2018, 12:57:31 PM
Kings will be a 30 win team imo.  Probably around the 6th or 7th worst team next year

You haven't thought this through. The Kings won 27 games last year and the teams below them Suns (Ariza & Ayton), Mavericks (Jordan & Doncic), and Grizllies (Jackson & Conley back from injury) have all improved a lot. In addition, the Lakers who were the next team ahead of them in the standings have obviously greatly improved.

So in the much tougher Western Conference , why is that you think they'll improved in the W/L column? The Kings are easily a low 20's win team.
I don't buy Dallas at all.  I think they are going to be terrible.  I also believe the Kings are still better than the Suns (I expect Bagley to win ROY and from all reports Giles is going to play).  I think they are also better than the Bulls, Knicks, and Hawks, and will likely be better than the Magic and Nets and who knows what the Hornets and Cavs end up doing.  I also think there is a real chance some of these western teams decide they are better off tanking again at some point in the season when they don't get off to great starts.

The Kings were 13-17 against the East last year (just 14-38 against the West), in large part because they have a strong home court that is a long flight and often are played in the middle of a long road trip for Eastern teams.  That gives them a real advantage.  I expect them to be in the same general range against the East with another few wins against the West.

You don't have to "buy" Dallas, but Jordan over Powell or Kleber is a HUGE improvement. The improvement at that position will likely account for a few extra wins.

The one thing you're missing with the Suns is the amount of games missed (45 games) by their best 2 scorers (Booker and Warren). So not only should they play more games, as the Suns were tanking hard, but they also added Ayton, Bridges, and Ariza.

The EC teams you mentioned could potentially be worse player-for-player than the Kings, but those teams will be stealing wins vs each other so the wins for those teams will likely be higher than the Kings.

This is what Vegas has as the bottom 12 teams (teams bolded for obvious reasons):

Cleveland Cavaliers   35.5
Los Angeles Clippers   35.5
Charlotte Hornets   35.5
Detroit Pistons   35.5
Phoenix Suns   34.5
Dallas Mavericks   30.5
Orlando Magic   28.5
Chicago Bulls   28.5
Memphis Grizzlies   27.5
Sacramento Kings   27.5

Atlanta Hawks   26.5
Brooklyn Nets   25.5

I have been looking for this, the site I use has not posted all teams yet, but this is what I expected. The idea the Kings are going to be the 7th or 8th worst team is certainly an outlier opinion. I would be pretty surprised if they are not bottom 5 record. They actually had a record that outperformed their point differential last year. If I felt like tieing up money for the year I would probably bomb Memphis over here. That is very very low for a team that will be having Conley, Gasol, Anderson, Green and perhaps some contributions from Jackson.
Yeah Memphis seems low and I certainly can't see the Suns winning that many either. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: No Nickname on July 12, 2018, 02:11:48 PM
Here's why you want the Kings to be the worst team in the NBA next year.  As others have mentioned the percentage difference in them getting the #1 pick from being the worst vs the second worst team in the league is negligible (14% compared to 12.5%??).

What we want to avoid is the chance that four teams jump ahead of the Kings for picks #1 - #4.  I believe that's the new rule where from that point selections are awarded based on worst record from the remaining teams.  So even if the Kings finish with the worst record, if they don't get one of the top four slots, they'll at least get #5 at the worst.  Finish third worst and they could be picking #8.

Correct and berate me if I'm wrong.  I'm winging it here!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: moiso on July 12, 2018, 02:19:16 PM
I see that some of the same people that said the Nets were going to be a borderline playoff team last year are saying the Kings will be better than they can possibly be next season.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: RodyTur10 on July 12, 2018, 02:55:26 PM

This is what Vegas has as the bottom 12 teams (teams bolded for obvious reasons):

Cleveland Cavaliers   35.5
Los Angeles Clippers   35.5
Charlotte Hornets   35.5
Detroit Pistons   35.5
Phoenix Suns   34.5
Dallas Mavericks   30.5
Orlando Magic   28.5
Chicago Bulls   28.5
Memphis Grizzlies   27.5
Sacramento Kings   27.5

Atlanta Hawks   26.5
Brooklyn Nets   25.5

It's interesting to watch how mutch Phoenix is going to improve and Orlando just shouldn't be so low with all the lottery picks they've had for years, but they probably will.

It would be funny for Cavs fans if the Brooklyn pick would now be top 3 again.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on July 13, 2018, 07:43:04 AM
Kings will be a 30 win team imo.  Probably around the 6th or 7th worst team next year

You haven't thought this through. The Kings won 27 games last year and the teams below them Suns (Ariza & Ayton), Mavericks (Jordan & Doncic), and Grizllies (Jackson & Conley back from injury) have all improved a lot. In addition, the Lakers who were the next team ahead of them in the standings have obviously greatly improved.

So in the much tougher Western Conference , why is that you think they'll improved in the W/L column? The Kings are easily a low 20's win team.
Here are Sacto's pick for the past 10 years, starting with this past draft.
2; 5; 8; 6; 8; 7; 5; 7; 5; 7. So, on average, they are going to land somewhere in between those spots (I know they jumped up a few spot this past year). The 6th pick is about right but I hope it's more like 4. I will be happy if that's where we end up picking. I'll even be OK with the 6th pick as we drafted the player we wanted last year and are now playing with house money, as long as the pick doesn't bump up to 1.

Edit: bolded the part as I think only Brooklyn, Atlanta, Chicago and Cleveland may end up with less wins, so that is where I expect the Kings to end up. That means they will be the worst team in the west, which is a reasonable assumption.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Sophomore on July 13, 2018, 08:06:23 AM
Tankathon is a little like crack right now. Last time I went, the Kings pick landed #2 (Cam Reddish) and Memphis conveyed at #10 (Jontay Porter). Not so wild about Porter, but if that second pick lands 10th we should be able to figure out what to do with it, use or trade... 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on July 13, 2018, 12:39:47 PM
Tankathon is a little like crack right now. Last time I went, the Kings pick landed #2 (Cam Reddish) and Memphis conveyed at #10 (Jontay Porter). Not so wild about Porter, but if that second pick lands 10th we should be able to figure out what to do with it, use or trade...

Got the same result twice in a row on my only 2 tries!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 17, 2018, 01:06:37 PM
The Sacramento Kings are trading guard Garrett Temple to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Ben McLemore, forward Deyonta Davis, cash and a 2021 second-round draft pick, league sources told ESPN
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: BitterJim on July 17, 2018, 01:31:00 PM
The Sacramento Kings are trading guard Garrett Temple to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Ben McLemore, forward Deyonta Davis, cash and a 2021 second-round draft pick, league sources told ESPN

Ben McLemore is still in the league, AND he's going back to the Kings? Wow
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on July 17, 2018, 02:49:11 PM
The Sacramento Kings are trading guard Garrett Temple to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Ben McLemore, forward Deyonta Davis, cash and a 2021 second-round draft pick, league sources told ESPN
Potentially the first domino for Sacramento collecting more assets. Should help our pick this year
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: knuckleballer on July 17, 2018, 03:05:40 PM
Sacramento is going to be awful this year.  It is unreal that we are likely going to get another top pick.

Bleacher Report had a power rankings list a couple days ago listing Sacramento as the worst team for this coming season.

This wil just give me a reason to watch college ball this year.   :)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 17, 2018, 03:06:06 PM
Since the Kings just let McLemore go last summer, I don't think he really is in their plans.

By my math, the Kings could trade McLemore, Labissierre, and Hayes non-guaranteed contract for Melo, a first round pick, and a future 2nd.

The Kings buy out Melo, get a couple of draft assets, and clean up the roster a bit.

The Thunder shed something like 20 million in luxury tax payments, get a rotation two-guard to fill in while Roberson is out, and get a 12th man in Labissierre.

Plus, this takes away the last team with significant space that can offer Smart a contract.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JHTruth on July 17, 2018, 03:17:57 PM
Sacramento is going to be awful this year.  It is unreal that we are likely going to get another top pick.

Bleacher Report had a power rankings list a couple days ago listing Sacramento as the worst team for this coming season.

This wil just give me a reason to watch college ball this year.   :)

I think we'll draft 2-4. Nassir Little or Sekou should be there for the taking. We're going to get another stud to play next to Tatum/Brown/Williams/Rozier for another decade..
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: libermaniac on July 17, 2018, 03:23:04 PM
Doesn't that move free up another 1 million in cap space for Sacto?  Could the be a pre-cursor to a Marcus Smart offer sheet?  Please no!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 17, 2018, 03:26:27 PM
Doesn't that move free up another 1 million in cap space for Sacto?  Could the be a pre-cursor to a Marcus Smart offer sheet?  Please no!

Sac could have offered $19.5 million in year 1 already.  Don’t think that extra million will be the one that keeps Ainge from matching.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JHTruth on July 17, 2018, 03:27:52 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 17, 2018, 03:37:09 PM
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Deyonta Davis wasn’t necessary to complete the trade, but including him was necessary to get the Grizzlies below the luxury tax line. Perhaps that’s why cash was included.

https://twitter.com/AlbertNahmad/status/1019288422735806467

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Kings get Memphis’ 2021 second-round pick another $1M in cap room, increasing to $20.5M. Grizzlies swap McLemore/Davis for Temple and move to $950K below the luxury tax to 15 players. No trade exceptions either way.

https://twitter.com/AlbertNahmad/status/1019287033385226242
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on July 17, 2018, 03:38:33 PM
Since the Kings just let McLemore go last summer, I don't think he really is in their plans.

By my math, the Kings could trade McLemore, Labissierre, and Hayes non-guaranteed contract for Melo, a first round pick, and a future 2nd.

The Kings buy out Melo, get a couple of draft assets, and clean up the roster a bit.

The Thunder shed something like 20 million in luxury tax payments, get a rotation two-guard to fill in while Roberson is out, and get a 12th man in Labissierre.

Plus, this takes away the last team with significant space that can offer Smart a contract.

Non guaranteed money doesn't count in trades. Sac would need to send out more salary than that.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 17, 2018, 03:41:59 PM
Since the Kings just let McLemore go last summer, I don't think he really is in their plans.

By my math, the Kings could trade McLemore, Labissierre, and Hayes non-guaranteed contract for Melo, a first round pick, and a future 2nd.

The Kings buy out Melo, get a couple of draft assets, and clean up the roster a bit.

The Thunder shed something like 20 million in luxury tax payments, get a rotation two-guard to fill in while Roberson is out, and get a 12th man in Labissierre.

Plus, this takes away the last team with significant space that can offer Smart a contract.

Non guaranteed money doesn't count in trades. Sac would need to send out more salary than that.

Not going to look up SAC’s salaries right now, but they’d be acquiring Melo with cap room, so the non-guaranteed salary aspect doesn’t matter.  That player could be traded or cut — it’s not being used for matching purposes, just to get under the cap enough for Melo.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 17, 2018, 03:52:08 PM
Since the Kings just let McLemore go last summer, I don't think he really is in their plans.

By my math, the Kings could trade McLemore, Labissierre, and Hayes non-guaranteed contract for Melo, a first round pick, and a future 2nd.

The Kings buy out Melo, get a couple of draft assets, and clean up the roster a bit.

The Thunder shed something like 20 million in luxury tax payments, get a rotation two-guard to fill in while Roberson is out, and get a 12th man in Labissierre.

Plus, this takes away the last team with significant space that can offer Smart a contract.

Non guaranteed money doesn't count in trades. Sac would need to send out more salary than that.

Not going to look up SAC’s salaries right now, but they’d be acquiring Melo with cap room, so the non-guaranteed salary aspect doesn’t matter.  That player could be traded or cut — it’s not being used for matching purposes, just to get under the cap enough for Melo.

Mkay.

I was hoping no one would notice, but I did figure out immediately after I posted this that the Kings would have to send out a bit more salary, or stretch a player and waive Hayes.

Thanks for being the cap cop, saltlover :)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on July 17, 2018, 04:21:38 PM
I just did the Tankathon and got #2 and #10, Cam Reddish and Bol Bol.

I'll take that, I'm hanging 'em up on Tankathon until the season starts. I think the Kings pick could actually land #2, and Memphis landing at #10 doesn't seem out of the question either.

EDIT - At #28 we got PG Shamorie Ponds from St Johns, who I remember being mentioned on the draft workout thread as a binky by several posters.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on July 17, 2018, 04:50:45 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 17, 2018, 04:57:38 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on July 17, 2018, 05:09:25 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.

Oops, you're correct. I forgot about Jordan.

Mike
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: libermaniac on July 17, 2018, 05:10:11 PM
Doesn't that move free up another 1 million in cap space for Sacto?  Could the be a pre-cursor to a Marcus Smart offer sheet?  Please no!

Sac could have offered $19.5 million in year 1 already.  Don’t think that extra million will be the one that keeps Ainge from matching.
Thanks for the info.  TP.  Agreed.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on July 17, 2018, 06:21:57 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Jordan does nothing for wins. His minutes have been declining for years since you can't really play him down the stretch.  He takes nearly 85% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  He rebounds well and can block shots, but he just won't yield many wins.  And aside from him and 100 year old Dirk (assuming he is back), the only bigs on their roster are Powell, Kleber, and Mejri.  Barnes and Finney-Smith are the only SF's.  They are fairly deep at the guard spots and Smith and Doncic have talent, but I think people that think Doncic is going to come in and contribute to wins this year are going to be greatly disappointed.  Dallas may not be "tanking", but they are going to be a very bad team. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 17, 2018, 06:55:04 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.

Oops, you're correct. I forgot about Jordan.

Mike

Also, for whatever reason, a few people on here really didn't realize how hard Dallas was tanking last year. They have some veteran talent and good coaching. Here is from an article on espn (link crashed)

"The brutally honest and painfully obvious -- not to mention extremely pricey -- way to put it is that the Mavs have at least tinkered with tanking.

Just look at the lineup that Carlisle put on the floor for the final 5:19 of that tight game against the Lakers.

The veterans who kept the Mavs in the game took a seat down the stretch despite Nowitzki, Barnes, Matthews, guard J.J. Barea and center Dwight Powell combining for 85 points on 66 percent shooting from the floor that night. Small forward Doug McDermott, making his Mavs debut after arriving in a trade deadline deal, joined 20-year-old rookie point guard Dennis Smith Jr. and a trio of undrafted players on minimum contracts (Kleber, guard Yogi Ferrell and center Salah Mejri).

That foursome played a total of 12 minutes together in the first three and a half months but has recently become the Mavs' closing lineup of choice. It's a group that had blown a 10-point lead in the final 4:42 of a loss to the LA Clippers a couple of games earlier and was minus-38 in 24 February minutes before managing to close out the Lakers.

"Hopefully the new draft lottery rules will change the approach to player development," Cuban wrote in a recent email reply to ESPN, although he expressed his doubts on the issue after abstaining from the vote in October."

Dallas was up among the hardest tankers in all of the league last year. No way to spin it any other way. They would win 5-7 more games easily just from not doing those hardcore shenanigans.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on July 18, 2018, 10:39:04 AM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Jordan does nothing for wins. His minutes have been declining for years since you can't really play him down the stretch.  He takes nearly 85% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  He rebounds well and can block shots, but he just won't yield many wins. And aside from him and 100 year old Dirk (assuming he is back), the only bigs on their roster are Powell, Kleber, and Mejri.  Barnes and Finney-Smith are the only SF's.  They are fairly deep at the guard spots and Smith and Doncic have talent, but I think people that think Doncic is going to come in and contribute to wins this year are going to be greatly disappointed.  Dallas may not be "tanking", but they are going to be a very bad team.
The Mavs are a better team with Jordan than without, therefore = more wins.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 18, 2018, 12:08:01 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Jordan does nothing for wins. His minutes have been declining for years since you can't really play him down the stretch.  He takes nearly 85% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  He rebounds well and can block shots, but he just won't yield many wins.  And aside from him and 100 year old Dirk (assuming he is back), the only bigs on their roster are Powell, Kleber, and Mejri.  Barnes and Finney-Smith are the only SF's.  They are fairly deep at the guard spots and Smith and Doncic have talent, but I think people that think Doncic is going to come in and contribute to wins this year are going to be greatly disappointed. Dallas may not be "tanking", but they are going to be a very bad team.


Not tanking but very bad is rather vague. In what range do you expect their W-L?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on July 18, 2018, 01:14:58 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Jordan does nothing for wins. His minutes have been declining for years since you can't really play him down the stretch.  He takes nearly 85% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  He rebounds well and can block shots, but he just won't yield many wins.  And aside from him and 100 year old Dirk (assuming he is back), the only bigs on their roster are Powell, Kleber, and Mejri.  Barnes and Finney-Smith are the only SF's.  They are fairly deep at the guard spots and Smith and Doncic have talent, but I think people that think Doncic is going to come in and contribute to wins this year are going to be greatly disappointed. Dallas may not be "tanking", but they are going to be a very bad team.


Not tanking but very bad is rather vague. In what range do you expect their W-L?
I think they will end up right around their win total from last year in the 20-25 win range.  I just don't think they are well put together and really do think much of their tanking was overblown with quite simply bad roster management and construction.  I know their are stories out there like the one clay posted, but I watched them enough the last couple of years to see they just aren't a very good team and signing Deandre Jordan isn't going to make them a very good team.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on July 18, 2018, 01:18:26 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Jordan does nothing for wins. His minutes have been declining for years since you can't really play him down the stretch.  He takes nearly 85% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  He rebounds well and can block shots, but he just won't yield many wins.  And aside from him and 100 year old Dirk (assuming he is back), the only bigs on their roster are Powell, Kleber, and Mejri.  Barnes and Finney-Smith are the only SF's.  They are fairly deep at the guard spots and Smith and Doncic have talent, but I think people that think Doncic is going to come in and contribute to wins this year are going to be greatly disappointed. Dallas may not be "tanking", but they are going to be a very bad team.


Not tanking but very bad is rather vague. In what range do you expect their W-L?
I think they will end up right around their win total from last year in the 20-25 win range.  I just don't think they are well put together and really do think much of their tanking was overblown with quite simply bad roster management and construction.  I know their are stories out there like the one clay posted, but I watched them enough the last couple of years to see they just aren't a very good team and signing Deandre Jordan isn't going to make them a very good team.
I don't think that's the point. I think the point is that they'll easily have a better record than the Kings and aren't a contender for being a bottom feeder again this year.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 18, 2018, 01:55:30 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Jordan does nothing for wins. His minutes have been declining for years since you can't really play him down the stretch.  He takes nearly 85% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  He rebounds well and can block shots, but he just won't yield many wins.  And aside from him and 100 year old Dirk (assuming he is back), the only bigs on their roster are Powell, Kleber, and Mejri.  Barnes and Finney-Smith are the only SF's.  They are fairly deep at the guard spots and Smith and Doncic have talent, but I think people that think Doncic is going to come in and contribute to wins this year are going to be greatly disappointed. Dallas may not be "tanking", but they are going to be a very bad team.


Not tanking but very bad is rather vague. In what range do you expect their W-L?
I think they will end up right around their win total from last year in the 20-25 win range.  I just don't think they are well put together and really do think much of their tanking was overblown with quite simply bad roster management and construction.  I know their are stories out there like the one clay posted, but I watched them enough the last couple of years to see they just aren't a very good team and signing Deandre Jordan isn't going to make them a very good team.
I don't think that's the point. I think the point is that they'll easily have a better record than the Kings and aren't a contender for being a bottom feeder again this year.


I'm with you on this one, but if you look just one mssg above, Moranis makes the case for Sacramento winning 20-25 games next season. If this is the case they would definitely contend for a bottom feeder.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 18, 2018, 01:58:00 PM
Jordan and doncic alone are both better than anyone on the kings. That says a lot about how bad the kings are
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 18, 2018, 02:00:26 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Jordan does nothing for wins. His minutes have been declining for years since you can't really play him down the stretch.  He takes nearly 85% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  He rebounds well and can block shots, but he just won't yield many wins.  And aside from him and 100 year old Dirk (assuming he is back), the only bigs on their roster are Powell, Kleber, and Mejri.  Barnes and Finney-Smith are the only SF's.  They are fairly deep at the guard spots and Smith and Doncic have talent, but I think people that think Doncic is going to come in and contribute to wins this year are going to be greatly disappointed. Dallas may not be "tanking", but they are going to be a very bad team.


Not tanking but very bad is rather vague. In what range do you expect their W-L?
I think they will end up right around their win total from last year in the 20-25 win range.  I just don't think they are well put together and really do think much of their tanking was overblown with quite simply bad roster management and construction.  I know their are stories out there like the one clay posted, but I watched them enough the last couple of years to see they just aren't a very good team and signing Deandre Jordan isn't going to make them a very good team.

You don't think them having it documented that they played a reverse death lineup with a guy that didn't know their plays and 3 undrafted players impacted their wins? The only team that i saw being documented as bad for tanking in january like this was the bulls (everyone did it the last month)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: footey on July 18, 2018, 02:01:14 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Jordan does nothing for wins. His minutes have been declining for years since you can't really play him down the stretch.  He takes nearly 85% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  He rebounds well and can block shots, but he just won't yield many wins.  And aside from him and 100 year old Dirk (assuming he is back), the only bigs on their roster are Powell, Kleber, and Mejri.  Barnes and Finney-Smith are the only SF's.  They are fairly deep at the guard spots and Smith and Doncic have talent, but I think people that think Doncic is going to come in and contribute to wins this year are going to be greatly disappointed.  Dallas may not be "tanking", but they are going to be a very bad team.

MVP of Euro League won't contribute to wins? I don't follow.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: bdm860 on July 18, 2018, 02:09:18 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.

Oops, you're correct. I forgot about Jordan.

Mike

Also, for whatever reason, a few people on here really didn't realize how hard Dallas was tanking last year. They have some veteran talent and good coaching. Here is from an article on espn (link crashed)

"The brutally honest and painfully obvious -- not to mention extremely pricey -- way to put it is that the Mavs have at least tinkered with tanking.

Just look at the lineup that Carlisle put on the floor for the final 5:19 of that tight game against the Lakers.

The veterans who kept the Mavs in the game took a seat down the stretch despite Nowitzki, Barnes, Matthews, guard J.J. Barea and center Dwight Powell combining for 85 points on 66 percent shooting from the floor that night. Small forward Doug McDermott, making his Mavs debut after arriving in a trade deadline deal, joined 20-year-old rookie point guard Dennis Smith Jr. and a trio of undrafted players on minimum contracts (Kleber, guard Yogi Ferrell and center Salah Mejri).

That foursome played a total of 12 minutes together in the first three and a half months but has recently become the Mavs' closing lineup of choice. It's a group that had blown a 10-point lead in the final 4:42 of a loss to the LA Clippers a couple of games earlier and was minus-38 in 24 February minutes before managing to close out the Lakers.

"Hopefully the new draft lottery rules will change the approach to player development," Cuban wrote in a recent email reply to ESPN, although he expressed his doubts on the issue after abstaining from the vote in October."

Dallas was up among the hardest tankers in all of the league last year. No way to spin it any other way. They would win 5-7 more games easily just from not doing those hardcore shenanigans.

So do you think Dallas was tanking all last season or just the 2nd half of last season? 

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That foursome played a total of 12 minutes together in the first three and a half months but has recently become the Mavs' closing lineup of choice.


That sentence makes it sound like a 2nd half thing, but I'm not really sure, but I do know the Mavs were bad pretty much all of last year.  They had a good stretch in Dec (with all 8 wins coming against teams with playoff aspirations) but that was about it.

Oct: 1-7, 13% win % = 10 win pace
Nov: 4-10, 29% win % = 23 win pace
Dec: 8-8, 50% win % = 41 win pace
Jan: 3-11, 21% win % = 18 win pace
Feb: 3-7, 30% win % = 25 win pace
Mar: 4-10, 29% win % = 23 win pace
Apr: 1-5, 17% win % = 14 win pace

So if you think they were tanking all last year that's fine, but if you think it was just a 2nd half thing where they pulled their vets and experimented with lineups, I would disagree.


Personally I don't know what to think of the Mavs.  My heart says a couple of solid players in Barnes and Jordan, a few scrappy rotation players with Powell, Ferrell, Barea, interesting young players in Smith and Doncic, OG Dirk, with a top coach in Carlisle.  That's a team that can win around 35, and if everything breaks right maybe even hit .500.

But my brain says Barnes is a very slightly better Jeff Green, Jordan is out of style in the current NBA, Dirk's been cooked, and everybody else looks better than they are putting up empty numbers on a poorly constructed team that was "tanking."  And whose to say they won't try to tank again this upcoming season because their draft pick next year is Top-5 protected?

I can see them winning 25, I can see them winning 35.  I don't really know on this one.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 18, 2018, 02:13:30 PM
biggest FA/trade target remaining that could have made the Kings a likely playoff team is off to Toronto...

good news for the protected pick staying in the lottery! :D
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on July 18, 2018, 02:27:26 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Jordan does nothing for wins. His minutes have been declining for years since you can't really play him down the stretch.  He takes nearly 85% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  He rebounds well and can block shots, but he just won't yield many wins.  And aside from him and 100 year old Dirk (assuming he is back), the only bigs on their roster are Powell, Kleber, and Mejri.  Barnes and Finney-Smith are the only SF's.  They are fairly deep at the guard spots and Smith and Doncic have talent, but I think people that think Doncic is going to come in and contribute to wins this year are going to be greatly disappointed.  Dallas may not be "tanking", but they are going to be a very bad team.

MVP of Euro League won't contribute to wins? I don't follow.
Doncic has a lot of skill, but he is a poor athlete. I think the speed and athleticism is going to cause Doncic all kinds of problems until he gets used to it, which I don't think will be this season.  A few years from now, I think Doncic will be a good to great player, but I just don't see it next season. 

The Mavs have been getting worse for years.  They have a terribly constructed roster.  They don't even have a legit #2 scorer, let alone a #1.  They have perhaps the shallowest frontcourt in the league.  Smith and Doncic are nice prospects, no doubt, but they just don't have much else and those 2 guys aren't going to light the world on fire.

I expect Dallas to be a bottom 2 team in the West along with the Suns.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 18, 2018, 04:44:29 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Jordan does nothing for wins. His minutes have been declining for years since you can't really play him down the stretch.  He takes nearly 85% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  He rebounds well and can block shots, but he just won't yield many wins.  And aside from him and 100 year old Dirk (assuming he is back), the only bigs on their roster are Powell, Kleber, and Mejri.  Barnes and Finney-Smith are the only SF's.  They are fairly deep at the guard spots and Smith and Doncic have talent, but I think people that think Doncic is going to come in and contribute to wins this year are going to be greatly disappointed.  Dallas may not be "tanking", but they are going to be a very bad team.

MVP of Euro League won't contribute to wins? I don't follow.
Doncic has a lot of skill, but he is a poor athlete. I think the speed and athleticism is going to cause Doncic all kinds of problems until he gets used to it, which I don't think will be this season.  A few years from now, I think Doncic will be a good to great player, but I just don't see it next season. 

The Mavs have been getting worse for years.  They have a terribly constructed roster.  They don't even have a legit #2 scorer, let alone a #1.  They have perhaps the shallowest frontcourt in the league.  Smith and Doncic are nice prospects, no doubt, but they just don't have much else and those 2 guys aren't going to light the world on fire.

I expect Dallas to be a bottom 2 team in the West along with the Suns.

This strikes me as one of your contrarian takes that won't age well
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 18, 2018, 06:13:44 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Jordan does nothing for wins. His minutes have been declining for years since you can't really play him down the stretch.  He takes nearly 85% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  He rebounds well and can block shots, but he just won't yield many wins.  And aside from him and 100 year old Dirk (assuming he is back), the only bigs on their roster are Powell, Kleber, and Mejri.  Barnes and Finney-Smith are the only SF's.  They are fairly deep at the guard spots and Smith and Doncic have talent, but I think people that think Doncic is going to come in and contribute to wins this year are going to be greatly disappointed.  Dallas may not be "tanking", but they are going to be a very bad team.

MVP of Euro League won't contribute to wins? I don't follow.
Doncic has a lot of skill, but he is a poor athlete. I think the speed and athleticism is going to cause Doncic all kinds of problems until he gets used to it, which I don't think will be this season.  A few years from now, I think Doncic will be a good to great player, but I just don't see it next season. 

The Mavs have been getting worse for years.  They have a terribly constructed roster.  They don't even have a legit #2 scorer, let alone a #1.  They have perhaps the shallowest frontcourt in the league.  Smith and Doncic are nice prospects, no doubt, but they just don't have much else and those 2 guys aren't going to light the world on fire.

I expect Dallas to be a bottom 2 team in the West along with the Suns.

This strikes me as one of your contrarian takes that won't age well
Contrarian to what?  Dallas is going to suck.  Seems like a pretty sure lock for bottom 3 in the West with the Suns and the Kings.  Factoring in the lack of incentive for the Kings to tank, Dallas finishing bottom 2 seems reasonable. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JHTruth on July 18, 2018, 06:19:48 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Jordan does nothing for wins. His minutes have been declining for years since you can't really play him down the stretch.  He takes nearly 85% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  He rebounds well and can block shots, but he just won't yield many wins.  And aside from him and 100 year old Dirk (assuming he is back), the only bigs on their roster are Powell, Kleber, and Mejri.  Barnes and Finney-Smith are the only SF's.  They are fairly deep at the guard spots and Smith and Doncic have talent, but I think people that think Doncic is going to come in and contribute to wins this year are going to be greatly disappointed.  Dallas may not be "tanking", but they are going to be a very bad team.

MVP of Euro League won't contribute to wins? I don't follow.
Doncic has a lot of skill, but he is a poor athlete. I think the speed and athleticism is going to cause Doncic all kinds of problems until he gets used to it, which I don't think will be this season.  A few years from now, I think Doncic will be a good to great player, but I just don't see it next season. 

The Mavs have been getting worse for years.  They have a terribly constructed roster.  They don't even have a legit #2 scorer, let alone a #1.  They have perhaps the shallowest frontcourt in the league.  Smith and Doncic are nice prospects, no doubt, but they just don't have much else and those 2 guys aren't going to light the world on fire.

I expect Dallas to be a bottom 2 team in the West along with the Suns.

This strikes me as one of your contrarian takes that won't age well
Contrarian to what?  Dallas is going to suck.  Seems like a pretty sure lock for bottom 3 in the West with the Suns and the Kings.  Factoring in the lack of incentive for the Kings to tank, Dallas finishing bottom 2 seems reasonable.

Meh, not seeing it. They still have an aging Dirk and DJ. Plus Smith and Luka. They won't be good by any means but the Kings literally have nothing. And "incentive" to tank means little as history has taught us.

Suns will be better, who knows by how much but adding Ayton should get them in the 30'win mark. They are done tanking as well.

Vegas has the Kings at around the 3-4 worst team. Sounds about right
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 18, 2018, 06:27:09 PM
These projections are interesting to look at:

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I added a Wins Likely Range, which is a 90% confidence interval, into my live win projection tracker: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nVYeMSUq8GI1-0Qe9E3lgT5jjT0LMFP4brLt_oOefJg/edit?usp=sharing

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https://twitter.com/JacobEGoldstein/status/1019668408462389250
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 18, 2018, 06:29:52 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Jordan does nothing for wins. His minutes have been declining for years since you can't really play him down the stretch.  He takes nearly 85% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  He rebounds well and can block shots, but he just won't yield many wins.  And aside from him and 100 year old Dirk (assuming he is back), the only bigs on their roster are Powell, Kleber, and Mejri.  Barnes and Finney-Smith are the only SF's.  They are fairly deep at the guard spots and Smith and Doncic have talent, but I think people that think Doncic is going to come in and contribute to wins this year are going to be greatly disappointed.  Dallas may not be "tanking", but they are going to be a very bad team.

MVP of Euro League won't contribute to wins? I don't follow.
Doncic has a lot of skill, but he is a poor athlete. I think the speed and athleticism is going to cause Doncic all kinds of problems until he gets used to it, which I don't think will be this season.  A few years from now, I think Doncic will be a good to great player, but I just don't see it next season. 

The Mavs have been getting worse for years.  They have a terribly constructed roster.  They don't even have a legit #2 scorer, let alone a #1.  They have perhaps the shallowest frontcourt in the league.  Smith and Doncic are nice prospects, no doubt, but they just don't have much else and those 2 guys aren't going to light the world on fire.

I expect Dallas to be a bottom 2 team in the West along with the Suns.

This strikes me as one of your contrarian takes that won't age well
Contrarian to what?  Dallas is going to suck.  Seems like a pretty sure lock for bottom 3 in the West with the Suns and the Kings.  Factoring in the lack of incentive for the Kings to tank, Dallas finishing bottom 2 seems reasonable.

Contrary to win expectancies, odds and projections. Here are the odds for the bottom feeders winning the west on my book

Suns 400-1
Kings-1000-1
Mavericks 150-1

Now I agree the Mavs are an awful bet (all of them are just burning money), but it gives you an idea of how far apart the teams are viewed. The Mavs have solid vet players in matthews, Jordan and Barnes. None are completely washed up and all have started on playoff teams. You throw in some ok guards as vets in Barea and Ferrel. A nice springy bench big in Powell, plus Smith, Doncic and a few minutes of nice offense from Dirk and you have a bad, not horrible team. Kings have some interesting young guys but hield, Fox, Giles etc are not blue chip top 3 guys and are also very raw. Carter is 41 and Randolph is 37 and probably won't make it through the year on the team. They are pretty night and day and acting like Sac will be better than Dallas is clearly contrary to what 98% of what people would say about the two teams. So like I said, I think it is a contrarian take that won't age well. If I am wrong I will give you some tps provided they still exist.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 18, 2018, 06:57:20 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Jordan does nothing for wins. His minutes have been declining for years since you can't really play him down the stretch.  He takes nearly 85% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  He rebounds well and can block shots, but he just won't yield many wins.  And aside from him and 100 year old Dirk (assuming he is back), the only bigs on their roster are Powell, Kleber, and Mejri.  Barnes and Finney-Smith are the only SF's.  They are fairly deep at the guard spots and Smith and Doncic have talent, but I think people that think Doncic is going to come in and contribute to wins this year are going to be greatly disappointed.  Dallas may not be "tanking", but they are going to be a very bad team.

MVP of Euro League won't contribute to wins? I don't follow.
Doncic has a lot of skill, but he is a poor athlete. I think the speed and athleticism is going to cause Doncic all kinds of problems until he gets used to it, which I don't think will be this season.  A few years from now, I think Doncic will be a good to great player, but I just don't see it next season. 

The Mavs have been getting worse for years.  They have a terribly constructed roster.  They don't even have a legit #2 scorer, let alone a #1.  They have perhaps the shallowest frontcourt in the league.  Smith and Doncic are nice prospects, no doubt, but they just don't have much else and those 2 guys aren't going to light the world on fire.

I expect Dallas to be a bottom 2 team in the West along with the Suns.

This strikes me as one of your contrarian takes that won't age well
Contrarian to what?  Dallas is going to suck.  Seems like a pretty sure lock for bottom 3 in the West with the Suns and the Kings.  Factoring in the lack of incentive for the Kings to tank, Dallas finishing bottom 2 seems reasonable.

Contrary to win expectancies, odds and projections. Here are the odds for the bottom feeders winning the west on my book

Suns 400-1
Kings-1000-1
Mavericks 150-1

Now I agree the Mavs are an awful bet (all of them are just burning money), but it gives you an idea of how far apart the teams are viewed. The Mavs have solid vet players in matthews, Jordan and Barnes. None are completely washed up and all have started on playoff teams. You throw in some ok guards as vets in Barea and Ferrel. A nice springy bench big in Powell, plus Smith, Doncic and a few minutes of nice offense from Dirk and you have a bad, not horrible team. Kings have some interesting young guys but hield, Fox, Giles etc are not blue chip top 3 guys and are also very raw. Carter is 41 and Randolph is 37 and probably won't make it through the year on the team. They are pretty night and day and acting like Sac will be better than Dallas is clearly contrary to what 98% of what people would say about the two teams. So like I said, I think it is a contrarian take that won't age well. If I am wrong I will give you some tps provided they still exist.
I'd expect the odds projections for last season would have been similar.  The Kings were tied with the Bulls for the 2nd worst point differential and yet they finished 4th worst in the West and 7th worst overall. 

Also, betting odds of winning the west don't necessarily equate to how the bottom teams are projected to finish in the West. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 07:01:04 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Jordan does nothing for wins. His minutes have been declining for years since you can't really play him down the stretch.  He takes nearly 85% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  He rebounds well and can block shots, but he just won't yield many wins.  And aside from him and 100 year old Dirk (assuming he is back), the only bigs on their roster are Powell, Kleber, and Mejri.  Barnes and Finney-Smith are the only SF's.  They are fairly deep at the guard spots and Smith and Doncic have talent, but I think people that think Doncic is going to come in and contribute to wins this year are going to be greatly disappointed.  Dallas may not be "tanking", but they are going to be a very bad team.

MVP of Euro League won't contribute to wins? I don't follow.
Doncic has a lot of skill, but he is a poor athlete. I think the speed and athleticism is going to cause Doncic all kinds of problems until he gets used to it, which I don't think will be this season.  A few years from now, I think Doncic will be a good to great player, but I just don't see it next season. 

The Mavs have been getting worse for years.  They have a terribly constructed roster.  They don't even have a legit #2 scorer, let alone a #1.  They have perhaps the shallowest frontcourt in the league.  Smith and Doncic are nice prospects, no doubt, but they just don't have much else and those 2 guys aren't going to light the world on fire.

I expect Dallas to be a bottom 2 team in the West along with the Suns.

This strikes me as one of your contrarian takes that won't age well
Contrarian to what?  Dallas is going to suck.  Seems like a pretty sure lock for bottom 3 in the West with the Suns and the Kings.  Factoring in the lack of incentive for the Kings to tank, Dallas finishing bottom 2 seems reasonable.

Contrary to win expectancies, odds and projections. Here are the odds for the bottom feeders winning the west on my book

Suns 400-1
Kings-1000-1
Mavericks 150-1

Now I agree the Mavs are an awful bet (all of them are just burning money), but it gives you an idea of how far apart the teams are viewed. The Mavs have solid vet players in matthews, Jordan and Barnes. None are completely washed up and all have started on playoff teams. You throw in some ok guards as vets in Barea and Ferrel. A nice springy bench big in Powell, plus Smith, Doncic and a few minutes of nice offense from Dirk and you have a bad, not horrible team. Kings have some interesting young guys but hield, Fox, Giles etc are not blue chip top 3 guys and are also very raw. Carter is 41 and Randolph is 37 and probably won't make it through the year on the team. They are pretty night and day and acting like Sac will be better than Dallas is clearly contrary to what 98% of what people would say about the two teams. So like I said, I think it is a contrarian take that won't age well. If I am wrong I will give you some tps provided they still exist.
I'd expect the odds projections for last season would have been similar.  The Kings were tied with the Bulls for the 2nd worst point differential and yet they finished 4th worst in the West and 7th worst overall.

This is all getting divorced from the original debate.  I said that the Mavericks are in a different tier of a team than Sacramento, and Moranis disagreed.  Yes, random things happen to records, injuries happen, etc.  Dallas is still a cut higher than Sacramento, and has only marginally more reason to tank than Sacramento (which Dallas was blatantly doing last year — Cuban even got fined for telling his players to tank.)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 18, 2018, 07:09:01 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Jordan does nothing for wins. His minutes have been declining for years since you can't really play him down the stretch.  He takes nearly 85% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  He rebounds well and can block shots, but he just won't yield many wins.  And aside from him and 100 year old Dirk (assuming he is back), the only bigs on their roster are Powell, Kleber, and Mejri.  Barnes and Finney-Smith are the only SF's.  They are fairly deep at the guard spots and Smith and Doncic have talent, but I think people that think Doncic is going to come in and contribute to wins this year are going to be greatly disappointed.  Dallas may not be "tanking", but they are going to be a very bad team.

MVP of Euro League won't contribute to wins? I don't follow.
Doncic has a lot of skill, but he is a poor athlete. I think the speed and athleticism is going to cause Doncic all kinds of problems until he gets used to it, which I don't think will be this season.  A few years from now, I think Doncic will be a good to great player, but I just don't see it next season. 

The Mavs have been getting worse for years.  They have a terribly constructed roster.  They don't even have a legit #2 scorer, let alone a #1.  They have perhaps the shallowest frontcourt in the league.  Smith and Doncic are nice prospects, no doubt, but they just don't have much else and those 2 guys aren't going to light the world on fire.

I expect Dallas to be a bottom 2 team in the West along with the Suns.

This strikes me as one of your contrarian takes that won't age well
Contrarian to what?  Dallas is going to suck.  Seems like a pretty sure lock for bottom 3 in the West with the Suns and the Kings.  Factoring in the lack of incentive for the Kings to tank, Dallas finishing bottom 2 seems reasonable.

Contrary to win expectancies, odds and projections. Here are the odds for the bottom feeders winning the west on my book

Suns 400-1
Kings-1000-1
Mavericks 150-1

Now I agree the Mavs are an awful bet (all of them are just burning money), but it gives you an idea of how far apart the teams are viewed. The Mavs have solid vet players in matthews, Jordan and Barnes. None are completely washed up and all have started on playoff teams. You throw in some ok guards as vets in Barea and Ferrel. A nice springy bench big in Powell, plus Smith, Doncic and a few minutes of nice offense from Dirk and you have a bad, not horrible team. Kings have some interesting young guys but hield, Fox, Giles etc are not blue chip top 3 guys and are also very raw. Carter is 41 and Randolph is 37 and probably won't make it through the year on the team. They are pretty night and day and acting like Sac will be better than Dallas is clearly contrary to what 98% of what people would say about the two teams. So like I said, I think it is a contrarian take that won't age well. If I am wrong I will give you some tps provided they still exist.
I'd expect the odds projections for last season would have been similar.  The Kings were tied with the Bulls for the 2nd worst point differential and yet they finished 4th worst in the West and 7th worst overall.

This is all getting divorced from the original debate.  I said that the Mavericks are in a different tier of a team than Sacramento, and Moranis disagreed.  Yes, random things happen to records, injuries happen, etc.  Dallas is still a cut higher than Sacramento, and has only marginally more reason to tank than Sacramento (which Dallas was blatantly doing last year — Cuban even got fined for telling his players to tank.)

Saltlover I was trying to illustrate that by providing third part ideas. If one team is 250-1 and one is 200-1 to win their conference you can argue they are in the same tier. If one is 150-1 and the other one is 1000-1 they clearly are viewed as being different level teams for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 07:12:28 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Jordan does nothing for wins. His minutes have been declining for years since you can't really play him down the stretch.  He takes nearly 85% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  He rebounds well and can block shots, but he just won't yield many wins.  And aside from him and 100 year old Dirk (assuming he is back), the only bigs on their roster are Powell, Kleber, and Mejri.  Barnes and Finney-Smith are the only SF's.  They are fairly deep at the guard spots and Smith and Doncic have talent, but I think people that think Doncic is going to come in and contribute to wins this year are going to be greatly disappointed.  Dallas may not be "tanking", but they are going to be a very bad team.

MVP of Euro League won't contribute to wins? I don't follow.
Doncic has a lot of skill, but he is a poor athlete. I think the speed and athleticism is going to cause Doncic all kinds of problems until he gets used to it, which I don't think will be this season.  A few years from now, I think Doncic will be a good to great player, but I just don't see it next season. 

The Mavs have been getting worse for years.  They have a terribly constructed roster.  They don't even have a legit #2 scorer, let alone a #1.  They have perhaps the shallowest frontcourt in the league.  Smith and Doncic are nice prospects, no doubt, but they just don't have much else and those 2 guys aren't going to light the world on fire.

I expect Dallas to be a bottom 2 team in the West along with the Suns.

This strikes me as one of your contrarian takes that won't age well
Contrarian to what?  Dallas is going to suck.  Seems like a pretty sure lock for bottom 3 in the West with the Suns and the Kings.  Factoring in the lack of incentive for the Kings to tank, Dallas finishing bottom 2 seems reasonable.

Contrary to win expectancies, odds and projections. Here are the odds for the bottom feeders winning the west on my book

Suns 400-1
Kings-1000-1
Mavericks 150-1

Now I agree the Mavs are an awful bet (all of them are just burning money), but it gives you an idea of how far apart the teams are viewed. The Mavs have solid vet players in matthews, Jordan and Barnes. None are completely washed up and all have started on playoff teams. You throw in some ok guards as vets in Barea and Ferrel. A nice springy bench big in Powell, plus Smith, Doncic and a few minutes of nice offense from Dirk and you have a bad, not horrible team. Kings have some interesting young guys but hield, Fox, Giles etc are not blue chip top 3 guys and are also very raw. Carter is 41 and Randolph is 37 and probably won't make it through the year on the team. They are pretty night and day and acting like Sac will be better than Dallas is clearly contrary to what 98% of what people would say about the two teams. So like I said, I think it is a contrarian take that won't age well. If I am wrong I will give you some tps provided they still exist.
I'd expect the odds projections for last season would have been similar.  The Kings were tied with the Bulls for the 2nd worst point differential and yet they finished 4th worst in the West and 7th worst overall.

This is all getting divorced from the original debate.  I said that the Mavericks are in a different tier of a team than Sacramento, and Moranis disagreed.  Yes, random things happen to records, injuries happen, etc.  Dallas is still a cut higher than Sacramento, and has only marginally more reason to tank than Sacramento (which Dallas was blatantly doing last year — Cuban even got fined for telling his players to tank.)

Saltlover I was trying to illustrate that by providing third part ideas. If one team is 250-1 and one is 200-1 to win their conference you can argue they are in the same tier. If one is 150-1 and the other one is 1000-1 they clearly are viewed as being different level teams for whatever reason.

I know.  That’s why I was replying to Tazz :)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JHTruth on July 18, 2018, 07:44:53 PM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Jordan does nothing for wins. His minutes have been declining for years since you can't really play him down the stretch.  He takes nearly 85% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  He rebounds well and can block shots, but he just won't yield many wins.  And aside from him and 100 year old Dirk (assuming he is back), the only bigs on their roster are Powell, Kleber, and Mejri.  Barnes and Finney-Smith are the only SF's.  They are fairly deep at the guard spots and Smith and Doncic have talent, but I think people that think Doncic is going to come in and contribute to wins this year are going to be greatly disappointed.  Dallas may not be "tanking", but they are going to be a very bad team.

MVP of Euro League won't contribute to wins? I don't follow.
Doncic has a lot of skill, but he is a poor athlete. I think the speed and athleticism is going to cause Doncic all kinds of problems until he gets used to it, which I don't think will be this season.  A few years from now, I think Doncic will be a good to great player, but I just don't see it next season. 

The Mavs have been getting worse for years.  They have a terribly constructed roster.  They don't even have a legit #2 scorer, let alone a #1.  They have perhaps the shallowest frontcourt in the league.  Smith and Doncic are nice prospects, no doubt, but they just don't have much else and those 2 guys aren't going to light the world on fire.

I expect Dallas to be a bottom 2 team in the West along with the Suns.

This strikes me as one of your contrarian takes that won't age well
Contrarian to what?  Dallas is going to suck.  Seems like a pretty sure lock for bottom 3 in the West with the Suns and the Kings.  Factoring in the lack of incentive for the Kings to tank, Dallas finishing bottom 2 seems reasonable.

Contrary to win expectancies, odds and projections. Here are the odds for the bottom feeders winning the west on my book

Suns 400-1
Kings-1000-1
Mavericks 150-1

Now I agree the Mavs are an awful bet (all of them are just burning money), but it gives you an idea of how far apart the teams are viewed. The Mavs have solid vet players in matthews, Jordan and Barnes. None are completely washed up and all have started on playoff teams. You throw in some ok guards as vets in Barea and Ferrel. A nice springy bench big in Powell, plus Smith, Doncic and a few minutes of nice offense from Dirk and you have a bad, not horrible team. Kings have some interesting young guys but hield, Fox, Giles etc are not blue chip top 3 guys and are also very raw. Carter is 41 and Randolph is 37 and probably won't make it through the year on the team. They are pretty night and day and acting like Sac will be better than Dallas is clearly contrary to what 98% of what people would say about the two teams. So like I said, I think it is a contrarian take that won't age well. If I am wrong I will give you some tps provided they still exist.
I'd expect the odds projections for last season would have been similar.  The Kings were tied with the Bulls for the 2nd worst point differential and yet they finished 4th worst in the West and 7th worst overall. 

Also, betting odds of winning the west don't necessarily equate to how the bottom teams are projected to finish in the West.

So they overperformed their point differential last year. Fine.

Wouldn't it make sense that they regress back to the mean in terms of pt differential to the 2-4 worst team in the league rather than overperforming again?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on July 19, 2018, 06:15:28 AM
The only teams I see that will be worse than the Kings are the Hawks and Maybe the Cavs

Atlanta is easy in the bottom 3. I've also got Brooklyn, Orlando, and Dallas as possible competitors for the lucky loser race.

If every team played every other team the same number of times, I would likely have Sacramento at 4 or 5. Given where they are, however, they very well could end up with a 14% shot at #1,2 or 3.

Mike

I don’t see Dallas tanking again.  The acquisitions of DeAndre Jordan and Doncic really take them up a tier.
Jordan does nothing for wins. His minutes have been declining for years since you can't really play him down the stretch.  He takes nearly 85% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  He rebounds well and can block shots, but he just won't yield many wins.  And aside from him and 100 year old Dirk (assuming he is back), the only bigs on their roster are Powell, Kleber, and Mejri.  Barnes and Finney-Smith are the only SF's.  They are fairly deep at the guard spots and Smith and Doncic have talent, but I think people that think Doncic is going to come in and contribute to wins this year are going to be greatly disappointed.  Dallas may not be "tanking", but they are going to be a very bad team.

MVP of Euro League won't contribute to wins? I don't follow.
Doncic has a lot of skill, but he is a poor athlete. I think the speed and athleticism is going to cause Doncic all kinds of problems until he gets used to it, which I don't think will be this season.  A few years from now, I think Doncic will be a good to great player, but I just don't see it next season. 

The Mavs have been getting worse for years.  They have a terribly constructed roster.  They don't even have a legit #2 scorer, let alone a #1.  They have perhaps the shallowest frontcourt in the league.  Smith and Doncic are nice prospects, no doubt, but they just don't have much else and those 2 guys aren't going to light the world on fire.

I expect Dallas to be a bottom 2 team in the West along with the Suns.

This strikes me as one of your contrarian takes that won't age well
Contrarian to what?  Dallas is going to suck.  Seems like a pretty sure lock for bottom 3 in the West with the Suns and the Kings.  Factoring in the lack of incentive for the Kings to tank, Dallas finishing bottom 2 seems reasonable.

Contrary to win expectancies, odds and projections. Here are the odds for the bottom feeders winning the west on my book

Suns 400-1
Kings-1000-1
Mavericks 150-1

Now I agree the Mavs are an awful bet (all of them are just burning money), but it gives you an idea of how far apart the teams are viewed. The Mavs have solid vet players in matthews, Jordan and Barnes. None are completely washed up and all have started on playoff teams. You throw in some ok guards as vets in Barea and Ferrel. A nice springy bench big in Powell, plus Smith, Doncic and a few minutes of nice offense from Dirk and you have a bad, not horrible team. Kings have some interesting young guys but hield, Fox, Giles etc are not blue chip top 3 guys and are also very raw. Carter is 41 and Randolph is 37 and probably won't make it through the year on the team. They are pretty night and day and acting like Sac will be better than Dallas is clearly contrary to what 98% of what people would say about the two teams. So like I said, I think it is a contrarian take that won't age well. If I am wrong I will give you some tps provided they still exist.
the Lakers have like the 3rd best odds and there team is no where near that level.  This is where using odds always fails.

Fox is a better prospect than Smith I believe.  Bagley is a better scorer as a rookie than anyone on the Mavs.  Hield is a nice shooter.  Bogdanovic showed nice promise.  Vets like Shumpert, Randolph, and Koufos are on the same level as the Mavs vets you are mentioning.  The Mavs are done   they will full on be tanking again a month into the season because they aren't going to be any good.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: BitterJim on July 19, 2018, 07:25:22 AM
These projections are interesting to look at:

Quote
I added a Wins Likely Range, which is a 90% confidence interval, into my live win projection tracker: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nVYeMSUq8GI1-0Qe9E3lgT5jjT0LMFP4brLt_oOefJg/edit?usp=sharing

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiaW_67X4AELoN5.jpg)


https://twitter.com/JacobEGoldstein/status/1019668408462389250

"Interesting" might be too nice of a word. Having the Raptors winning the East is defensible (although by 7 games isn't), but having the Jazz finish #2 in the West over the Rockets is...bold, to say the least
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 19, 2018, 08:16:00 AM
Moranis, I rly appreciate your points, but I disagree with your assessment of Mavs and Sacramento.


Mavs have better players, coach and in general team culture.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on July 19, 2018, 01:39:45 PM
Moranis, I rly appreciate your points, but I disagree with your assessment of Mavs and Sacramento.


Mavs have better players, coach and in general team culture.
I honestly don't think they have better players or at least not a well constructed roster.  I'm also not sure that the team that has been outwardly tanking for 2 seasons and has had pretty extensive bad press for sexual misconduct within its front office can claim to have a better team culture than anyone (though that seems to have missed the players).  And while Carlisle is an excellent coach, Joerger has had more playoff success in the last 5 seasons than Carlisle (Mavs haven't won a playoff series since winning the title in 2011), and Joerger has also won more games his 2 seasons with the Kings than Carlisle has won with the Mavs in those same 2 seasons, so I don't think that gap is quite as large as it might otherwise seem.  Frankly, I think the Mavs are due for a change as I don't think Carlisle is the right man to guide them through this rebuild. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 19, 2018, 04:20:58 PM
Moranis, I rly appreciate your points, but I disagree with your assessment of Mavs and Sacramento.


Mavs have better players, coach and in general team culture.
I honestly don't think they have better players or at least not a well constructed roster.  I'm also not sure that the team that has been outwardly tanking for 2 seasons and has had pretty extensive bad press for sexual misconduct within its front office can claim to have a better team culture than anyone (though that seems to have missed the players).  And while Carlisle is an excellent coach, Joerger has had more playoff success in the last 5 seasons than Carlisle (Mavs haven't won a playoff series since winning the title in 2011), and Joerger has also won more games his 2 seasons with the Kings than Carlisle has won with the Mavs in those same 2 seasons, so I don't think that gap is quite as large as it might otherwise seem.  Frankly, I think the Mavs are due for a change as I don't think Carlisle is the right man to guide them through this rebuild.


Care to get specific?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 19, 2018, 04:38:48 PM
These projections are interesting to look at:

Quote
I added a Wins Likely Range, which is a 90% confidence interval, into my live win projection tracker: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nVYeMSUq8GI1-0Qe9E3lgT5jjT0LMFP4brLt_oOefJg/edit?usp=sharing

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiaW_67X4AELoN5.jpg)


https://twitter.com/JacobEGoldstein/status/1019668408462389250

"Interesting" might be too nice of a word. Having the Raptors winning the East is defensible (although by 7 games isn't), but having the Jazz finish #2 in the West over the Rockets is...bold, to say the least
that graph you’re replying to is beautiful regardless of where they have the jazz.... the Kings pick is beginning to look like untradeable gold
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 19, 2018, 05:26:05 PM
These projections are interesting to look at:

Quote
I added a Wins Likely Range, which is a 90% confidence interval, into my live win projection tracker: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nVYeMSUq8GI1-0Qe9E3lgT5jjT0LMFP4brLt_oOefJg/edit?usp=sharing

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiaW_67X4AELoN5.jpg)


https://twitter.com/JacobEGoldstein/status/1019668408462389250

"Interesting" might be too nice of a word. Having the Raptors winning the East is defensible (although by 7 games isn't), but having the Jazz finish #2 in the West over the Rockets is...bold, to say the least
that graph you’re replying to is beautiful regardless of where they have the jazz.... the Kings pick is beginning to look like untradeable gold

Here we have the Mavs 10.5 games better than the Kings. I don't really understand why every single ranking model or oddsmakers has them a completely different level than the kings and everyone is wrong except Moranis. You should go put your money where your mouth is and head to vegas before the season starts. Bet the Kings over and the Dallas under and make a killing.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on July 20, 2018, 09:49:18 AM
Yogi Ferrell backs out of Mavs deal because he felt uncomfortable.  That seems odd for such a "model" franchise
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 20, 2018, 09:58:39 AM
Yogi Ferrell backs out of Mavs deal because he felt uncomfortable.  That seems odd for such a "model" franchise

A. Source?
B. Are Kings going to offer him a contract? Why is this here?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 20, 2018, 10:08:20 AM
Yogi Ferrell backs out of Mavs deal because he felt uncomfortable.  That seems odd for such a "model" franchise

A. Source?
B. Are Kings going to offer him a contract? Why is this here?


 https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2018/7/19/17591336/nba-free-agency-2018-dallas-mavericks-re-sign-yogi-ferrell-per-reports



Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on July 20, 2018, 10:09:00 AM
Yogi Ferrell backs out of Mavs deal because he felt uncomfortable.  That seems odd for such a "model" franchise

A. Source?
B. Are Kings going to offer him a contract? Why is this here?
There were 3 pages discussing the Mavs vs. Kings. 

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1020280515574796288

Sources: Guard Yogi Ferrell has changed course on Dallas Mavericks deal in order to reenter free agency. “We felt uncomfortable and will weigh our options,” agent Cervando Tejeda said.

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 20, 2018, 04:36:13 PM
Yogi Ferrell and the Sacramento Kings have come to terms on a deal, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Monkhouse on July 20, 2018, 04:41:31 PM
Yogi Ferrell and the Sacramento Kings have come to terms on a deal, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

I think this bodes well for our pick.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Fafnir on July 20, 2018, 04:46:24 PM
Yogi Ferrell and the Sacramento Kings have come to terms on a deal, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

I think this bodes well for our pick.
Seeing how the west shook out this off season, I'm more worried the Kings will win the lottery than be unexpectedly good.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on July 20, 2018, 04:51:07 PM
Yogi Ferrell and the Sacramento Kings have come to terms on a deal, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

I think this bodes well for our pick.
Seeing how the west shook out this off season, I'm more worried the Kings will win the lottery than be unexpectedly good.

Yeah that’s my worry too.  Maybe the 76rs will totally implode with injuries ect this season dropping them deep in the lottery to double our chances.  Lol
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 20, 2018, 05:30:59 PM
Yogi Ferrell and the Sacramento Kings have come to terms on a deal, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

I think this bodes well for our pick.
Seeing how the west shook out this off season, I'm more worried the Kings will win the lottery than be unexpectedly good.

Yeah that’s my worry too.  Maybe the 76rs will totally implode with injuries ect this season dropping them deep in the lottery to double our chances.  Lol

Embiid is a terrific player, but his health is never something that can be taken for granted.  They really only need one specific injury to implode enough to sniff the lottery.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on July 20, 2018, 05:37:12 PM
Yogi Ferrell and the Sacramento Kings have come to terms on a deal, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

I think this bodes well for our pick.
Seeing how the west shook out this off season, I'm more worried the Kings will win the lottery than be unexpectedly good.

Yeah that’s my worry too.  Maybe the 76rs will totally implode with injuries ect this season dropping them deep in the lottery to double our chances.  Lol

Embiid is a terrific player, but his health is never something that can be taken for granted.  They really only need one specific injury to implode enough to sniff the lottery.
I have hard time seeing them out of the playoffs provided one of Embiid or Simmons are healthy.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 20, 2018, 05:43:06 PM
Yogi Ferrell and the Sacramento Kings have come to terms on a deal, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

I think this bodes well for our pick.
Seeing how the west shook out this off season, I'm more worried the Kings will win the lottery than be unexpectedly good.

Yeah that’s my worry too.  Maybe the 76rs will totally implode with injuries ect this season dropping them deep in the lottery to double our chances.  Lol

Embiid is a terrific player, but his health is never something that can be taken for granted.  They really only need one specific injury to implode enough to sniff the lottery.
I have hard time seeing them out of the playoffs provided one of Embiid or Simmons are healthy.

I don’t think they have the personnel to compliment Simmons enough without Embiid for a majority of the season.  I do think they can survive without only Simmons.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: moiso on July 20, 2018, 05:47:17 PM
Moranis, I rly appreciate your points, but I disagree with your assessment of Mavs and Sacramento.


Mavs have better players, coach and in general team culture.
I honestly don't think they have better players or at least not a well constructed roster.  I'm also not sure that the team that has been outwardly tanking for 2 seasons and has had pretty extensive bad press for sexual misconduct within its front office can claim to have a better team culture than anyone (though that seems to have missed the players).  And while Carlisle is an excellent coach, Joerger has had more playoff success in the last 5 seasons than Carlisle (Mavs haven't won a playoff series since winning the title in 2011), and Joerger has also won more games his 2 seasons with the Kings than Carlisle has won with the Mavs in those same 2 seasons, so I don't think that gap is quite as large as it might otherwise seem.  Frankly, I think the Mavs are due for a change as I don't think Carlisle is the right man to guide them through this rebuild.
Why do you consistently overrate teams who owe the Celtics draft picks?  You did the same thing with the Nets.  You thought they were a borderline playoff team.  Dallas will have at least 75% more wins than Sacramento next season.  I don't know how you could convince yourself otherwise.  The Kings have some intriguing young talent but they don't have a roster that is going to win many games.  It's so blatantly obvious to just about everyone except you.  I agree with what greece666 said.  The Mavs also have the young intriguing talent in Doncic and Smith Jr.  And they also have some guys that can actually help them win games such as Barnes, Jordan, Mathews, and Dirk.  And I totally disagree with your Carlisle assessment.  He's a top 5 coach whose team hasn't tuned him out at all.  His teams overachieve when they aren't tanking.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 20, 2018, 05:50:57 PM
Yogi Ferrell backs out of Mavs deal because he felt uncomfortable.  That seems odd for such a "model" franchise

Can you imagine if this happened on a good team, like the 76ers? Oh wait...
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 20, 2018, 05:53:26 PM
Moranis, I rly appreciate your points, but I disagree with your assessment of Mavs and Sacramento.


Mavs have better players, coach and in general team culture.
I honestly don't think they have better players or at least not a well constructed roster.  I'm also not sure that the team that has been outwardly tanking for 2 seasons and has had pretty extensive bad press for sexual misconduct within its front office can claim to have a better team culture than anyone (though that seems to have missed the players).  And while Carlisle is an excellent coach, Joerger has had more playoff success in the last 5 seasons than Carlisle (Mavs haven't won a playoff series since winning the title in 2011), and Joerger has also won more games his 2 seasons with the Kings than Carlisle has won with the Mavs in those same 2 seasons, so I don't think that gap is quite as large as it might otherwise seem.  Frankly, I think the Mavs are due for a change as I don't think Carlisle is the right man to guide them through this rebuild.
Why do you consistently overrate teams who owe the Celtics draft picks?  You did the same thing with the Nets.  You thought they were a borderline playoff team.  Dallas will have at least 75% more wins than Sacramento next season.  I don't know how you could convince yourself otherwise.  The Kings have some intriguing young talent but they don't have a roster that is going to win many games.  It's so blatantly obvious to just about everyone except you.  I agree with what greece666 said.  The Mavs also have the young intriguing talent in Doncic and Smith Jr.  And they also have some guys that can actually help them win games such as Barnes, Jordan, Mathews, and Dirk.  And I totally disagree with your Carlisle assessment.  He's a top 5 coach whose team hasn't tuned him out at all.  His teams overachieve when they aren't tanking.

Its just life as a contrarian
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on July 20, 2018, 07:44:13 PM
Yogi Ferrell backs out of Mavs deal because he felt uncomfortable.  That seems odd for such a "model" franchise

A. Source?
B. Are Kings going to offer him a contract? Why is this here?


 https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2018/7/19/17591336/nba-free-agency-2018-dallas-mavericks-re-sign-yogi-ferrell-per-reports

That's twice now that someone has done that to them. Wonder what it is about the Mavs that makes players back off verbal agreements.

Mike
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 20, 2018, 07:48:13 PM
Yogi Ferrell backs out of Mavs deal because he felt uncomfortable.  That seems odd for such a "model" franchise

A. Source?
B. Are Kings going to offer him a contract? Why is this here?


 https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2018/7/19/17591336/nba-free-agency-2018-dallas-mavericks-re-sign-yogi-ferrell-per-reports

That's twice now that someone has done that to them. Wonder what it is about the Mavs that makes players back off verbal agreements.

Mike
it means the GM is bad at free agency. Poor management
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 20, 2018, 09:08:56 PM
Yogi Ferrell backs out of Mavs deal because he felt uncomfortable.  That seems odd for such a "model" franchise

A. Source?
B. Are Kings going to offer him a contract? Why is this here?


 https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2018/7/19/17591336/nba-free-agency-2018-dallas-mavericks-re-sign-yogi-ferrell-per-reports

That's twice now that someone has done that to them. Wonder what it is about the Mavs that makes players back off verbal agreements.

Mike
it means the GM is bad at free agency. Poor management

I am also wondering if this could hurt ferrel. He is not a good enough player to get a reputation as someone that backs out of deals.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 20, 2018, 09:22:12 PM
Yogi Ferrell backs out of Mavs deal because he felt uncomfortable.  That seems odd for such a "model" franchise

A. Source?
B. Are Kings going to offer him a contract? Why is this here?


 https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2018/7/19/17591336/nba-free-agency-2018-dallas-mavericks-re-sign-yogi-ferrell-per-reports

That's twice now that someone has done that to them. Wonder what it is about the Mavs that makes players back off verbal agreements.

Mike
it means the GM is bad at free agency. Poor management

I am also wondering if this could hurt ferrel. He is not a good enough player to get a reputation as someone that backs out of deals.

He’s been a minimum salary player so far in his career, and only had one year guaranteed from the Mavs. This deal is supposedly fully guaranteed, and so is worth the risk of a bad reputation.  His play can fix that in a hurry.

What’s more interesting is the Kings have reached deals with two players this summer who backed out with other teams.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 20, 2018, 09:56:49 PM
Yogi Ferrell and the Sacramento Kings have come to terms on a deal, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

I think this bodes well for our pick.
Seeing how the west shook out this off season, I'm more worried the Kings will win the lottery than be unexpectedly good.

Yeah that’s my worry too.  Maybe the 76rs will totally implode with injuries ect this season dropping them deep in the lottery to double our chances.  Lol

Embiid is a terrific player, but his health is never something that can be taken for granted.  They really only need one specific injury to implode enough to sniff the lottery.
I have hard time seeing them out of the playoffs provided one of Embiid or Simmons are healthy.

I don’t think they have the personnel to compliment Simmons enough without Embiid for a majority of the season.  I do think they can survive without only Simmons.
How many teams besides GSW and us can survive losing their best player for a majority of the season?  If Houston loses Harden, they are toast.  OKC is probably toast without Westbrook but that would be an interesting experiment.   

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 20, 2018, 10:02:44 PM
Yogi Ferrell backs out of Mavs deal because he felt uncomfortable.  That seems odd for such a "model" franchise

A. Source?
B. Are Kings going to offer him a contract? Why is this here?


 https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2018/7/19/17591336/nba-free-agency-2018-dallas-mavericks-re-sign-yogi-ferrell-per-reports

That's twice now that someone has done that to them. Wonder what it is about the Mavs that makes players back off verbal agreements.

Mike
it means the GM is bad at free agency. Poor management

I am also wondering if this could hurt ferrel. He is not a good enough player to get a reputation as someone that backs out of deals.

He’s been a minimum salary player so far in his career, and only had one year guaranteed from the Mavs. This deal is supposedly fully guaranteed, and so is worth the risk of a bad reputation.  His play can fix that in a hurry.

What’s more interesting is the Kings have reached deals with two players this summer who backed out with other teams.
Bjelica backed out from the Sixers but has he actually reached a deal with the Kings?  All the stories I've seen indicate they are in discussions.  If they do reach an agreement, it will be interesting to see what he ends up with. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: hpantazo on July 20, 2018, 10:14:49 PM
 
@ShamsCharania

Forward Nemanja Bjelica has agreed to a three-year, $20.5M deal with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell Yahoo. Third year will be non-guaranteed.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1020489205716140032
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 20, 2018, 10:29:32 PM

@ShamsCharania

Forward Nemanja Bjelica has agreed to a three-year, $20.5M deal with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell Yahoo. Third year will be non-guaranteed.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1020489205716140032
TP.  I looked at Woj before I posted but not Shams.  I guess the Bucks and Ilyasove set the market for older mediocre stretch 4 role players.   Deal isn't good but it is not horrible.  However, I wonder what they are going to do with all their big men.  Zbo, Koufos, WCS, Giles, Bagley, Skal and Bjelica.  Vlade talked about playing Bagley at the 3.  I wonder if they are actually going to do it. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on July 20, 2018, 10:49:45 PM
Moranis, I rly appreciate your points, but I disagree with your assessment of Mavs and Sacramento.


Mavs have better players, coach and in general team culture.
I honestly don't think they have better players or at least not a well constructed roster.  I'm also not sure that the team that has been outwardly tanking for 2 seasons and has had pretty extensive bad press for sexual misconduct within its front office can claim to have a better team culture than anyone (though that seems to have missed the players).  And while Carlisle is an excellent coach, Joerger has had more playoff success in the last 5 seasons than Carlisle (Mavs haven't won a playoff series since winning the title in 2011), and Joerger has also won more games his 2 seasons with the Kings than Carlisle has won with the Mavs in those same 2 seasons, so I don't think that gap is quite as large as it might otherwise seem.  Frankly, I think the Mavs are due for a change as I don't think Carlisle is the right man to guide them through this rebuild.
Why do you consistently overrate teams who owe the Celtics draft picks?  You did the same thing with the Nets.  You thought they were a borderline playoff team.  Dallas will have at least 75% more wins than Sacramento next season.  I don't know how you could convince yourself otherwise.  The Kings have some intriguing young talent but they don't have a roster that is going to win many games.  It's so blatantly obvious to just about everyone except you.  I agree with what greece666 said.  The Mavs also have the young intriguing talent in Doncic and Smith Jr.  And they also have some guys that can actually help them win games such as Barnes, Jordan, Mathews, and Dirk.  And I totally disagree with your Carlisle assessment.  He's a top 5 coach whose team hasn't tuned him out at all.  His teams overachieve when they aren't tanking.
what are you talking about? I never said the Nets would be a borderline playoff team.  I said they wouldn't be a bottom 5 team and they weren't.  I actually pegged the Lakers as a bottom 5 team last year (both before and after the trade) and got that one wrong.

I just don't think last year was a fluke for either the Kings or Mavs.  I think Bagley will have a much greater impact this season than Doncic will.  I obviously might be wrong or I might not, but I've generally done a pretty good job or projecting finish locations of teams around the league.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on July 21, 2018, 01:43:50 PM

@ShamsCharania

Forward Nemanja Bjelica has agreed to a three-year, $20.5M deal with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell Yahoo. Third year will be non-guaranteed.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1020489205716140032
TP.  I looked at Woj before I posted but not Shams.  I guess the Bucks and Ilyasove set the market for older mediocre stretch 4 role players.   Deal isn't good but it is not horrible.  However, I wonder what they are going to do with all their big men.  Zbo, Koufos, WCS, Giles, Bagley, Skal and Bjelica.  Vlade talked about playing Bagley at the 3.  I wonder if they are actually going to do it.

That would be a misuse of Bagley. He should be their starting 4 and play mostly there and small ball five even...
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 24, 2018, 01:40:24 PM
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Updated Win Projection Tiers, July 24th edition, via @JacobEGoldstein

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https://twitter.com/bbstats/status/1021801885592899584
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JHTruth on July 24, 2018, 01:43:37 PM
Can't believe the Knicks will be that bad. But looking at their roster with KP out, I can see it
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 24, 2018, 02:04:25 PM
Sixers and fultz trainers  still hiding his jump shot
King’s still considered 2nd worst while we own a top-1 protected kings pick


Everything going according to plan.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 24, 2018, 02:05:54 PM
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Updated Win Projection Tiers, July 24th edition, via @JacobEGoldstein

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https://twitter.com/bbstats/status/1021801885592899584
I don't get why so many sites Put jazz top 5.. Rockets are way better

Rudy gobert is a good player but he isn't amazing, and neither is Mitchell
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on July 24, 2018, 02:17:51 PM
Why is Portland projected to win 37 game and not make the playoffs?

If the projections hold up then we get the Memphis pick (#12) next year as well as the Sacto pick if it's not #1.

There's a big cluster between 32 and 39 win teams. Injuries, trades, buy-outs and tank jobs will play a big role in the final standings.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on July 24, 2018, 02:28:54 PM
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Updated Win Projection Tiers, July 24th edition, via @JacobEGoldstein

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https://twitter.com/bbstats/status/1021801885592899584
I don't get why so many sites Put jazz top 5.. Rockets are way better

Rudy gobert is a good player but he isn't amazing, and neither is Mitchell

Donovan Mitchell was definitely amazing for a 21 year old rookie, or even just a 21 year old.  Assuming he develops his game I'd say he's got sky high upside. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 24, 2018, 02:49:47 PM
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Updated Win Projection Tiers, July 24th edition, via @JacobEGoldstein

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https://twitter.com/bbstats/status/1021801885592899584
I don't get why so many sites Put jazz top 5.. Rockets are way better

Rudy gobert is a good player but he isn't amazing, and neither is Mitchell

Donovan Mitchell was definitely amazing for a 21 year old rookie, or even just a 21 year old.  Assuming he develops his game I'd say he's got sky high upside.
top 5 in the nba amazing? Sorry but no. Him and a bunch of scrubs aren’t better than the rockets . I mean who is good on the jazz? Exum? Crowder? Lol
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on July 24, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
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Updated Win Projection Tiers, July 24th edition, via @JacobEGoldstein

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https://twitter.com/bbstats/status/1021801885592899584
I don't get why so many sites Put jazz top 5.. Rockets are way better

Rudy gobert is a good player but he isn't amazing, and neither is Mitchell
They don't have Capela factored into the ratings for the Rockets.  They will go way higher once he is factored in.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on September 03, 2018, 01:25:34 PM
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https://twitter.com/YoggiMane/status/1020492148557340674
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on September 15, 2018, 04:46:20 PM
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https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044268747593146371
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on September 24, 2018, 08:46:07 PM
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Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

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More Joerger from media day: "We're excited about the young guys we have and we're going to commit to playing more young guys than we have in the past."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044388414831775744





Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on September 24, 2018, 08:50:27 PM
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Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Boris Badenov on September 24, 2018, 09:05:40 PM
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Updated Win Projection Tiers, July 24th edition, via @JacobEGoldstein

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https://twitter.com/bbstats/status/1021801885592899584
I don't get why so many sites Put jazz top 5.. Rockets are way better

Rudy gobert is a good player but he isn't amazing, and neither is Mitchell

The Rockets lost two excellent wing defenders, 3rd and 8th on the team in minutes played.

They replaced them with a disgruntled defensive turnstile who shoots mostly mid-range jumpers, the exact shot the Rockets just spent three years wringing out of their offense because it is so inefficient.

What could go wrong?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on September 24, 2018, 09:07:30 PM
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Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on September 24, 2018, 09:19:09 PM
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Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on September 24, 2018, 09:34:06 PM
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Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 24, 2018, 09:40:16 PM
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Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on September 24, 2018, 10:13:49 PM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on September 25, 2018, 08:52:30 AM
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Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
WCS is actually a pretty good fit next to Towns.  He provides the defending that Towns does not.  I assumed Skal would be a good Taj Gibson replacement.  Kings also have McLemore they could send. 

I don't think any team is giving up a player like Fox or Hield for Butler, especially when they take on Dieng in the process.  I really don't see Butler getting a big haul for the Wolves.  He has basically forced his way out of 2 places and is now an expiring contract.  The Wolves also don't have a lot of time to move him before training camp opens.  If they also move Dieng's bad contract, that cuts value returned to them significantly as well. 

As for whether Butler likes playing there, I have no idea.  It doesn't appear that he a problem with young players per se, but rather players that don't put the work in (and in that it doesn't matter if they are young or old).  By all accounts, Fox and Hield work very hard.  I have no idea about the big guys though and their work ethics.  But this is a 1 year rental for the Kings.  If Butler leaves next summer who cares as long as he dresses up and plays this year. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: greece66 on September 25, 2018, 08:55:14 AM
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Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680 (https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680)

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.

It most definitely doesn't.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: kraidstar on September 25, 2018, 09:05:50 AM
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Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on September 25, 2018, 09:26:47 AM
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Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: slamtheking on September 25, 2018, 09:39:15 AM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
and how did he help Minny's guards (or any of there young players) develop?  didn't exactly inspire Wiggins or KAT to play D or better team ball or show them they should commit to a team to build it up to a contender.
OR
are you suggesting he's going to inspire Sac's young players to improve to where they can demand a trade to a better place to play?

seems like a great role model to put around young guys   ::)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on September 25, 2018, 10:05:22 AM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
and how did he help Minny's guards (or any of there young players) develop?  didn't exactly inspire Wiggins or KAT to play D or better team ball or show them they should commit to a team to build it up to a contender.
OR
are you suggesting he's going to inspire Sac's young players to improve to where they can demand a trade to a better place to play?

seems like a great role model to put around young guys   ::)
There were questions of Wiggins and Towns work ethic before Butler got there.  That is one of the reasons the Wolves under performed, those guys just don't work hard.  Butler respects players that work hard and put in the effort that he does, that wasn't the case with Towns and Wiggins.  If the young Sacto players work hard, there isn't any reason to expect them to clash with Butler. 

That said, the Kings are far more likely to be a dumping ground in any Butler trade where they pick up an asset to take on a bad contract.  They still have like 11 million in cap room and they have a lot of mid sized expiring contracts they can send.  So they can absorb Dieng or some similarly bad contract from whatever team Butler ends up on and pick up a 1st or some young assets for their trouble.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: positivitize on September 25, 2018, 10:13:17 AM
Sacto getting Butler would hurt our pick, but also would potentially be a huge setback if he leaves. Hopefully Sac doesn't get him, for their sake AND ours.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: kraidstar on September 25, 2018, 11:30:58 AM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Edit: Slamtheking beat me to the punch for most of this  :P


Except Butler doesn't have a great track record of working with young guys. Really the opposite. IMO he would quickly get frustrated and become toxic. Then he leaves in the offseason for nothing.

And even if he stays he is likely washed up before the young guys are good enough to contend. There are cheaper, "good locker room guy" vets out there that can provide arguably far more stability at no cost of picks or young talent.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on September 25, 2018, 11:47:36 AM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Edit: Slamtheking beat me to the punch for most of this  :P


Except Butler doesn't have a great track record of working with young guys. Really the opposite. IMO he would quickly get frustrated and become toxic. Then he leaves in the offseason for nothing.

And even if he stays he is likely washed up before the young guys are good enough to contend. There are cheaper, "good locker room guy" vets out there that can provide arguably far more stability at no cost of picks or young talent.
Butler got along fine with the young guys in Chicago, it was the old vets (Rose, Noah, Wade, and Rondo) that were coasting and not putting in the work that angered Butler and caused a lot of the tension he had there.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gift on September 25, 2018, 12:55:29 PM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Edit: Slamtheking beat me to the punch for most of this  :P


Except Butler doesn't have a great track record of working with young guys. Really the opposite. IMO he would quickly get frustrated and become toxic. Then he leaves in the offseason for nothing.

And even if he stays he is likely washed up before the young guys are good enough to contend. There are cheaper, "good locker room guy" vets out there that can provide arguably far more stability at no cost of picks or young talent.
Butler got along fine with the young guys in Chicago, it was the old vets (Rose, Noah, Wade, and Rondo) that were coasting and not putting in the work that angered Butler and caused a lot of the tension he had there.

I don't think you have that quite right. Rondo and Butler were definitely on opposite sides. But so were Rondo and Wade. Rondo was also definitely on the side of the young guys (they've even vouched for him since his time in chicago). So I'm pretty sure Butler, Wade and the old guys were against the young guys and Rondo.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on September 25, 2018, 12:57:59 PM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.

Butler would probably just pout if he was going to get traded there and would not offer to resign. This isn't a situation like Leonard in Toronto where they have a chance of making the finals and selling him on the city. That Sac town team at best would be like the 11th best team in the conference. One of the least likely place for him to end up outside of Boston.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on September 25, 2018, 01:01:08 PM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Edit: Slamtheking beat me to the punch for most of this  :P


Except Butler doesn't have a great track record of working with young guys. Really the opposite. IMO he would quickly get frustrated and become toxic. Then he leaves in the offseason for nothing.

And even if he stays he is likely washed up before the young guys are good enough to contend. There are cheaper, "good locker room guy" vets out there that can provide arguably far more stability at no cost of picks or young talent.
Butler got along fine with the young guys in Chicago, it was the old vets (Rose, Noah, Wade, and Rondo) that were coasting and not putting in the work that angered Butler and caused a lot of the tension he had there.

I don't think you have that quite right. Rondo and Butler were definitely on opposite sides. But so were Rondo and Wade. Rondo was also definitely on the side of the young guys (they've even vouched for him since his time in chicago). So I'm pretty sure Butler, Wade and the old guys were against the young guys and Rondo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/young-bulls-rave-about-rajon-rondo-as-a-teammate/

Butler was against the young guys including Mirotic (then 24) Grant (then 23) and Rondo stood up for them. Butler has had issues with young players in both his stops now.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CF033 on September 25, 2018, 01:03:00 PM
The question is whether Butler can exist on ANY team and not find stuff to get irritated about over time. It's doubtful that any team is going to fit exactly what he wants from top to bottom.

It's like someone who keeps jumping from job to job, gets excited about each new job but is disgruntled with it after a few months.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on September 25, 2018, 01:39:17 PM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.

Butler would probably just pout if he was going to get traded there and would not offer to resign. This isn't a situation like Leonard in Toronto where they have a chance of making the finals and selling him on the city. That Sac town team at best would be like the 11th best team in the conference. One of the least likely place for him to end up outside of Boston.

Well, this got doused pretty quick. Kings interested as a facilitator to take on bad salary, strongly implying not interest as a destination for Butler.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251215/Kings-Interested-In-Facilitating-Three-Way-Jimmy-Butler-Trade
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on September 25, 2018, 01:43:46 PM
I don't know who ever thought this was a reality. The team stated they are going to play young guys. Why would they trade for Butler only to watch him leave (or not even show up) after this season. Makes zero sense imo.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on September 25, 2018, 01:53:56 PM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Edit: Slamtheking beat me to the punch for most of this  :P


Except Butler doesn't have a great track record of working with young guys. Really the opposite. IMO he would quickly get frustrated and become toxic. Then he leaves in the offseason for nothing.

And even if he stays he is likely washed up before the young guys are good enough to contend. There are cheaper, "good locker room guy" vets out there that can provide arguably far more stability at no cost of picks or young talent.
Butler got along fine with the young guys in Chicago, it was the old vets (Rose, Noah, Wade, and Rondo) that were coasting and not putting in the work that angered Butler and caused a lot of the tension he had there.

I don't think you have that quite right. Rondo and Butler were definitely on opposite sides. But so were Rondo and Wade. Rondo was also definitely on the side of the young guys (they've even vouched for him since his time in chicago). So I'm pretty sure Butler, Wade and the old guys were against the young guys and Rondo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/young-bulls-rave-about-rajon-rondo-as-a-teammate/

Butler was against the young guys including Mirotic (then 24) Grant (then 23) and Rondo stood up for them. Butler has had issues with young players in both his stops now.
It was MCW not Grant (the same MCW that can't stay on a team and the same Mirotic that got sucker-punched at practice and then was the player shipped away).  And again it is all about effort with Butler.  He will clash with players that don't provide maximum effort.  Whether they are young or old doesn't matter. 

And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that is a good character trait, especially from someone that is supposed to be your leader, but it is a character trait that many great players have had.  Jordan, for example, was notoriously hard on teammates that didn't give it their all.  That is what has made Butler so great, but it is also what has caused tension in several different locker-rooms.  Maybe he will always be a problem.  Maybe he will soften up a bit.  Maybe he will find a team that has players that work as hard as him.  Who knows. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on September 25, 2018, 01:55:38 PM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.

Butler would probably just pout if he was going to get traded there and would not offer to resign. This isn't a situation like Leonard in Toronto where they have a chance of making the finals and selling him on the city. That Sac town team at best would be like the 11th best team in the conference. One of the least likely place for him to end up outside of Boston.

Well, this got doused pretty quick. Kings interested as a facilitator to take on bad salary, strongly implying not interest as a destination for Butler.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251215/Kings-Interested-In-Facilitating-Three-Way-Jimmy-Butler-Trade
I posted about that already in this thread.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on September 25, 2018, 02:43:36 PM
Kings interested as a facilitator to take on bad salary, strongly implying not interest as a destination for Butler.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251215/Kings-Interested-In-Facilitating-Three-Way-Jimmy-Butler-Trade

Nice, TP. Pasted from your link.

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The Sacramento Kings are interested in helping to facilitate a Jimmy Butler trade.

The Minnesota Timberwolves and whichever team agrees to trade for him will possibly need a third team to take on salary. The Wolves are intent on trading Gorgui Dieng, who has three years and $48 million left on his contract.

The Kings are the only team in the NBA who can absorb the $11 million into cap space while they also possess several expiring contracts such as Zach Randolph, Iman Shumpert and Kosta Koufos.

The Kings are without their first round pick in 2019.

Assistant GM Brandon Williams has informed teams that the Kings aren't adverse to parking contracts that extend into the 2019-20 season.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251215/Kings-Interested-In-Facilitating-Three-Way-Jimmy-Butler-Trade
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: kraidstar on September 25, 2018, 03:45:00 PM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Edit: Slamtheking beat me to the punch for most of this  :P


Except Butler doesn't have a great track record of working with young guys. Really the opposite. IMO he would quickly get frustrated and become toxic. Then he leaves in the offseason for nothing.

And even if he stays he is likely washed up before the young guys are good enough to contend. There are cheaper, "good locker room guy" vets out there that can provide arguably far more stability at no cost of picks or young talent.
Butler got along fine with the young guys in Chicago, it was the old vets (Rose, Noah, Wade, and Rondo) that were coasting and not putting in the work that angered Butler and caused a lot of the tension he had there.

I don't think you have that quite right. Rondo and Butler were definitely on opposite sides. But so were Rondo and Wade. Rondo was also definitely on the side of the young guys (they've even vouched for him since his time in chicago). So I'm pretty sure Butler, Wade and the old guys were against the young guys and Rondo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/young-bulls-rave-about-rajon-rondo-as-a-teammate/

Butler was against the young guys including Mirotic (then 24) Grant (then 23) and Rondo stood up for them. Butler has had issues with young players in both his stops now.
It was MCW not Grant (the same MCW that can't stay on a team and the same Mirotic that got sucker-punched at practice and then was the player shipped away).  And again it is all about effort with Butler.  He will clash with players that don't provide maximum effort.  Whether they are young or old doesn't matter. 

And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that is a good character trait, especially from someone that is supposed to be your leader, but it is a character trait that many great players have had.  Jordan, for example, was notoriously hard on teammates that didn't give it their all.  That is what has made Butler so great, but it is also what has caused tension in several different locker-rooms.  Maybe he will always be a problem.  Maybe he will soften up a bit.  Maybe he will find a team that has players that work as hard as him.  Who knows.

I sympathize with him to a degree, it is hard working with people who are unmotivated.

And KAT and Wiggins IMO don't give max effort for sure. But there are also ways to lead, to inspire. Some guys squeeze extra effort out of the stiffs they play with. So far Butler seems like he clashes.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 25, 2018, 04:23:48 PM
Think Butler would be more interested in Sacramento if they offered to let him be the designated cherry-picker in their revolutionary 4-man defensive scheme?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: RockinRyA on September 26, 2018, 11:34:45 PM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Edit: Slamtheking beat me to the punch for most of this  :P


Except Butler doesn't have a great track record of working with young guys. Really the opposite. IMO he would quickly get frustrated and become toxic. Then he leaves in the offseason for nothing.

And even if he stays he is likely washed up before the young guys are good enough to contend. There are cheaper, "good locker room guy" vets out there that can provide arguably far more stability at no cost of picks or young talent.
Butler got along fine with the young guys in Chicago, it was the old vets (Rose, Noah, Wade, and Rondo) that were coasting and not putting in the work that angered Butler and caused a lot of the tension he had there.

I don't think you have that quite right. Rondo and Butler were definitely on opposite sides. But so were Rondo and Wade. Rondo was also definitely on the side of the young guys (they've even vouched for him since his time in chicago). So I'm pretty sure Butler, Wade and the old guys were against the young guys and Rondo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/young-bulls-rave-about-rajon-rondo-as-a-teammate/

Butler was against the young guys including Mirotic (then 24) Grant (then 23) and Rondo stood up for them. Butler has had issues with young players in both his stops now.
It was MCW not Grant (the same MCW that can't stay on a team and the same Mirotic that got sucker-punched at practice and then was the player shipped away).  And again it is all about effort with Butler.  He will clash with players that don't provide maximum effort.  Whether they are young or old doesn't matter. 

And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that is a good character trait, especially from someone that is supposed to be your leader, but it is a character trait that many great players have had.  Jordan, for example, was notoriously hard on teammates that didn't give it their all.  That is what has made Butler so great, but it is also what has caused tension in several different locker-rooms.  Maybe he will always be a problem.  Maybe he will soften up a bit.  Maybe he will find a team that has players that work as hard as him.  Who knows.

From what Rondo said, it's not true. He said the young guys put in work, and its the leadership that's the problem.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on September 27, 2018, 06:33:29 AM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Edit: Slamtheking beat me to the punch for most of this  :P


Except Butler doesn't have a great track record of working with young guys. Really the opposite. IMO he would quickly get frustrated and become toxic. Then he leaves in the offseason for nothing.

And even if he stays he is likely washed up before the young guys are good enough to contend. There are cheaper, "good locker room guy" vets out there that can provide arguably far more stability at no cost of picks or young talent.
Butler got along fine with the young guys in Chicago, it was the old vets (Rose, Noah, Wade, and Rondo) that were coasting and not putting in the work that angered Butler and caused a lot of the tension he had there.

I don't think you have that quite right. Rondo and Butler were definitely on opposite sides. But so were Rondo and Wade. Rondo was also definitely on the side of the young guys (they've even vouched for him since his time in chicago). So I'm pretty sure Butler, Wade and the old guys were against the young guys and Rondo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/young-bulls-rave-about-rajon-rondo-as-a-teammate/

Butler was against the young guys including Mirotic (then 24) Grant (then 23) and Rondo stood up for them. Butler has had issues with young players in both his stops now.
It was MCW not Grant (the same MCW that can't stay on a team and the same Mirotic that got sucker-punched at practice and then was the player shipped away).  And again it is all about effort with Butler.  He will clash with players that don't provide maximum effort.  Whether they are young or old doesn't matter. 

And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that is a good character trait, especially from someone that is supposed to be your leader, but it is a character trait that many great players have had.  Jordan, for example, was notoriously hard on teammates that didn't give it their all.  That is what has made Butler so great, but it is also what has caused tension in several different locker-rooms.  Maybe he will always be a problem.  Maybe he will soften up a bit.  Maybe he will find a team that has players that work as hard as him.  Who knows.

From what Rondo said, it's not true. He said the young guys put in work, and its the leadership that's the problem.
and yet, MCW can't hold a job despite winning ROY and Mirotic got shipped out after HE was sucker punched.  That seems very strange if Butler was the problem and not those two.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on September 27, 2018, 06:53:41 AM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Edit: Slamtheking beat me to the punch for most of this  :P


Except Butler doesn't have a great track record of working with young guys. Really the opposite. IMO he would quickly get frustrated and become toxic. Then he leaves in the offseason for nothing.

And even if he stays he is likely washed up before the young guys are good enough to contend. There are cheaper, "good locker room guy" vets out there that can provide arguably far more stability at no cost of picks or young talent.
Butler got along fine with the young guys in Chicago, it was the old vets (Rose, Noah, Wade, and Rondo) that were coasting and not putting in the work that angered Butler and caused a lot of the tension he had there.

I don't think you have that quite right. Rondo and Butler were definitely on opposite sides. But so were Rondo and Wade. Rondo was also definitely on the side of the young guys (they've even vouched for him since his time in chicago). So I'm pretty sure Butler, Wade and the old guys were against the young guys and Rondo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/young-bulls-rave-about-rajon-rondo-as-a-teammate/

Butler was against the young guys including Mirotic (then 24) Grant (then 23) and Rondo stood up for them. Butler has had issues with young players in both his stops now.
It was MCW not Grant (the same MCW that can't stay on a team and the same Mirotic that got sucker-punched at practice and then was the player shipped away).  And again it is all about effort with Butler.  He will clash with players that don't provide maximum effort.  Whether they are young or old doesn't matter. 

And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that is a good character trait, especially from someone that is supposed to be your leader, but it is a character trait that many great players have had.  Jordan, for example, was notoriously hard on teammates that didn't give it their all.  That is what has made Butler so great, but it is also what has caused tension in several different locker-rooms.  Maybe he will always be a problem.  Maybe he will soften up a bit.  Maybe he will find a team that has players that work as hard as him.  Who knows.

From what Rondo said, it's not true. He said the young guys put in work, and its the leadership that's the problem.
and yet, MCW can't hold a job despite winning ROY and Mirotic got shipped out after HE was sucker punched.  That seems very strange if Butler was the problem and not those two.

When Mirotic came back from injury the Bulls actually starting playing much better, and he was the one that requested a trade not that the Bulls were actively trying to trade him.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on September 27, 2018, 07:15:27 AM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Edit: Slamtheking beat me to the punch for most of this  :P


Except Butler doesn't have a great track record of working with young guys. Really the opposite. IMO he would quickly get frustrated and become toxic. Then he leaves in the offseason for nothing.

And even if he stays he is likely washed up before the young guys are good enough to contend. There are cheaper, "good locker room guy" vets out there that can provide arguably far more stability at no cost of picks or young talent.
Butler got along fine with the young guys in Chicago, it was the old vets (Rose, Noah, Wade, and Rondo) that were coasting and not putting in the work that angered Butler and caused a lot of the tension he had there.

I don't think you have that quite right. Rondo and Butler were definitely on opposite sides. But so were Rondo and Wade. Rondo was also definitely on the side of the young guys (they've even vouched for him since his time in chicago). So I'm pretty sure Butler, Wade and the old guys were against the young guys and Rondo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/young-bulls-rave-about-rajon-rondo-as-a-teammate/

Butler was against the young guys including Mirotic (then 24) Grant (then 23) and Rondo stood up for them. Butler has had issues with young players in both his stops now.
It was MCW not Grant (the same MCW that can't stay on a team and the same Mirotic that got sucker-punched at practice and then was the player shipped away).  And again it is all about effort with Butler.  He will clash with players that don't provide maximum effort.  Whether they are young or old doesn't matter. 

And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that is a good character trait, especially from someone that is supposed to be your leader, but it is a character trait that many great players have had.  Jordan, for example, was notoriously hard on teammates that didn't give it their all.  That is what has made Butler so great, but it is also what has caused tension in several different locker-rooms.  Maybe he will always be a problem.  Maybe he will soften up a bit.  Maybe he will find a team that has players that work as hard as him.  Who knows.

From what Rondo said, it's not true. He said the young guys put in work, and its the leadership that's the problem.
and yet, MCW can't hold a job despite winning ROY and Mirotic got shipped out after HE was sucker punched.  That seems very strange if Butler was the problem and not those two.

When Mirotic came back from injury the Bulls actually starting playing much better, and he was the one that requested a trade not that the Bulls were actively trying to trade him.
Yeah, plus Mirotic helping them win probably didn’t make Chicago want any part of him
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: RockinRyA on September 27, 2018, 08:14:08 AM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Edit: Slamtheking beat me to the punch for most of this  :P


Except Butler doesn't have a great track record of working with young guys. Really the opposite. IMO he would quickly get frustrated and become toxic. Then he leaves in the offseason for nothing.

And even if he stays he is likely washed up before the young guys are good enough to contend. There are cheaper, "good locker room guy" vets out there that can provide arguably far more stability at no cost of picks or young talent.
Butler got along fine with the young guys in Chicago, it was the old vets (Rose, Noah, Wade, and Rondo) that were coasting and not putting in the work that angered Butler and caused a lot of the tension he had there.

I don't think you have that quite right. Rondo and Butler were definitely on opposite sides. But so were Rondo and Wade. Rondo was also definitely on the side of the young guys (they've even vouched for him since his time in chicago). So I'm pretty sure Butler, Wade and the old guys were against the young guys and Rondo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/young-bulls-rave-about-rajon-rondo-as-a-teammate/

Butler was against the young guys including Mirotic (then 24) Grant (then 23) and Rondo stood up for them. Butler has had issues with young players in both his stops now.
It was MCW not Grant (the same MCW that can't stay on a team and the same Mirotic that got sucker-punched at practice and then was the player shipped away).  And again it is all about effort with Butler.  He will clash with players that don't provide maximum effort.  Whether they are young or old doesn't matter. 

And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that is a good character trait, especially from someone that is supposed to be your leader, but it is a character trait that many great players have had.  Jordan, for example, was notoriously hard on teammates that didn't give it their all.  That is what has made Butler so great, but it is also what has caused tension in several different locker-rooms.  Maybe he will always be a problem.  Maybe he will soften up a bit.  Maybe he will find a team that has players that work as hard as him.  Who knows.

From what Rondo said, it's not true. He said the young guys put in work, and its the leadership that's the problem.
and yet, MCW can't hold a job despite winning ROY and Mirotic got shipped out after HE was sucker punched.  That seems very strange if Butler was the problem and not those two.

MCW is just not that good. Not every bad player has an work/attitude problem.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on September 27, 2018, 08:20:03 AM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Edit: Slamtheking beat me to the punch for most of this  :P


Except Butler doesn't have a great track record of working with young guys. Really the opposite. IMO he would quickly get frustrated and become toxic. Then he leaves in the offseason for nothing.

And even if he stays he is likely washed up before the young guys are good enough to contend. There are cheaper, "good locker room guy" vets out there that can provide arguably far more stability at no cost of picks or young talent.
Butler got along fine with the young guys in Chicago, it was the old vets (Rose, Noah, Wade, and Rondo) that were coasting and not putting in the work that angered Butler and caused a lot of the tension he had there.

I don't think you have that quite right. Rondo and Butler were definitely on opposite sides. But so were Rondo and Wade. Rondo was also definitely on the side of the young guys (they've even vouched for him since his time in chicago). So I'm pretty sure Butler, Wade and the old guys were against the young guys and Rondo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/young-bulls-rave-about-rajon-rondo-as-a-teammate/

Butler was against the young guys including Mirotic (then 24) Grant (then 23) and Rondo stood up for them. Butler has had issues with young players in both his stops now.
It was MCW not Grant (the same MCW that can't stay on a team and the same Mirotic that got sucker-punched at practice and then was the player shipped away).  And again it is all about effort with Butler.  He will clash with players that don't provide maximum effort.  Whether they are young or old doesn't matter. 

And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that is a good character trait, especially from someone that is supposed to be your leader, but it is a character trait that many great players have had.  Jordan, for example, was notoriously hard on teammates that didn't give it their all.  That is what has made Butler so great, but it is also what has caused tension in several different locker-rooms.  Maybe he will always be a problem.  Maybe he will soften up a bit.  Maybe he will find a team that has players that work as hard as him.  Who knows.

From what Rondo said, it's not true. He said the young guys put in work, and its the leadership that's the problem.
and yet, MCW can't hold a job despite winning ROY and Mirotic got shipped out after HE was sucker punched.  That seems very strange if Butler was the problem and not those two.

When Mirotic came back from injury the Bulls actually starting playing much better, and he was the one that requested a trade not that the Bulls were actively trying to trade him.
Because the Bulls wouldn't move Portis.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on September 27, 2018, 10:25:12 AM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Edit: Slamtheking beat me to the punch for most of this  :P


Except Butler doesn't have a great track record of working with young guys. Really the opposite. IMO he would quickly get frustrated and become toxic. Then he leaves in the offseason for nothing.

And even if he stays he is likely washed up before the young guys are good enough to contend. There are cheaper, "good locker room guy" vets out there that can provide arguably far more stability at no cost of picks or young talent.
Butler got along fine with the young guys in Chicago, it was the old vets (Rose, Noah, Wade, and Rondo) that were coasting and not putting in the work that angered Butler and caused a lot of the tension he had there.

I don't think you have that quite right. Rondo and Butler were definitely on opposite sides. But so were Rondo and Wade. Rondo was also definitely on the side of the young guys (they've even vouched for him since his time in chicago). So I'm pretty sure Butler, Wade and the old guys were against the young guys and Rondo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/young-bulls-rave-about-rajon-rondo-as-a-teammate/

Butler was against the young guys including Mirotic (then 24) Grant (then 23) and Rondo stood up for them. Butler has had issues with young players in both his stops now.
It was MCW not Grant (the same MCW that can't stay on a team and the same Mirotic that got sucker-punched at practice and then was the player shipped away).  And again it is all about effort with Butler.  He will clash with players that don't provide maximum effort.  Whether they are young or old doesn't matter. 

And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that is a good character trait, especially from someone that is supposed to be your leader, but it is a character trait that many great players have had.  Jordan, for example, was notoriously hard on teammates that didn't give it their all.  That is what has made Butler so great, but it is also what has caused tension in several different locker-rooms.  Maybe he will always be a problem.  Maybe he will soften up a bit.  Maybe he will find a team that has players that work as hard as him.  Who knows.

From what Rondo said, it's not true. He said the young guys put in work, and its the leadership that's the problem.
and yet, MCW can't hold a job despite winning ROY and Mirotic got shipped out after HE was sucker punched.  That seems very strange if Butler was the problem and not those two.

MCW is just not that good. Not every bad player has an work/attitude problem.

I agree. The fact that MCW keeps getting chances despite being a fringe NBA player shows he is a good teammate. If a player that is a backup at best is a bad teammate he gets out of the league pretty quick. Not sure why why people are bending over backwards to act like Butler hasn't had issues with multiple young teammates, it's pretty clear he has.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on September 27, 2018, 12:55:08 PM
Was listening last night to a former Sacramento sbnation blogger (now covers mavs) who mentioned how Joerger always says the right things about playing young guys more...and then he reverts back to playing vets instead of developing young players
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: greece66 on September 29, 2018, 05:22:52 AM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Edit: Slamtheking beat me to the punch for most of this  :P


Except Butler doesn't have a great track record of working with young guys. Really the opposite. IMO he would quickly get frustrated and become toxic. Then he leaves in the offseason for nothing.

And even if he stays he is likely washed up before the young guys are good enough to contend. There are cheaper, "good locker room guy" vets out there that can provide arguably far more stability at no cost of picks or young talent.
Butler got along fine with the young guys in Chicago, it was the old vets (Rose, Noah, Wade, and Rondo) that were coasting and not putting in the work that angered Butler and caused a lot of the tension he had there.

I don't think you have that quite right. Rondo and Butler were definitely on opposite sides. But so were Rondo and Wade. Rondo was also definitely on the side of the young guys (they've even vouched for him since his time in chicago). So I'm pretty sure Butler, Wade and the old guys were against the young guys and Rondo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/young-bulls-rave-about-rajon-rondo-as-a-teammate/

Butler was against the young guys including Mirotic (then 24) Grant (then 23) and Rondo stood up for them. Butler has had issues with young players in both his stops now.
It was MCW not Grant (the same MCW that can't stay on a team and the same Mirotic that got sucker-punched at practice and then was the player shipped away).  And again it is all about effort with Butler.  He will clash with players that don't provide maximum effort.  Whether they are young or old doesn't matter. 

And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that is a good character trait, especially from someone that is supposed to be your leader, but it is a character trait that many great players have had.  Jordan, for example, was notoriously hard on teammates that didn't give it their all.  That is what has made Butler so great, but it is also what has caused tension in several different locker-rooms.  Maybe he will always be a problem.  Maybe he will soften up a bit.  Maybe he will find a team that has players that work as hard as him.  Who knows.

From what Rondo said, it's not true. He said the young guys put in work, and its the leadership that's the problem.
and yet, MCW can't hold a job despite winning ROY and Mirotic got shipped out after HE was sucker punched.  That seems very strange if Butler was the problem and not those two.

MCW is simply not good a player. As for Mirotic, I don't see how getting punched has anything to do with his work ethic.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on September 29, 2018, 05:31:37 AM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Edit: Slamtheking beat me to the punch for most of this  :P


Except Butler doesn't have a great track record of working with young guys. Really the opposite. IMO he would quickly get frustrated and become toxic. Then he leaves in the offseason for nothing.

And even if he stays he is likely washed up before the young guys are good enough to contend. There are cheaper, "good locker room guy" vets out there that can provide arguably far more stability at no cost of picks or young talent.
Butler got along fine with the young guys in Chicago, it was the old vets (Rose, Noah, Wade, and Rondo) that were coasting and not putting in the work that angered Butler and caused a lot of the tension he had there.

I don't think you have that quite right. Rondo and Butler were definitely on opposite sides. But so were Rondo and Wade. Rondo was also definitely on the side of the young guys (they've even vouched for him since his time in chicago). So I'm pretty sure Butler, Wade and the old guys were against the young guys and Rondo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/young-bulls-rave-about-rajon-rondo-as-a-teammate/

Butler was against the young guys including Mirotic (then 24) Grant (then 23) and Rondo stood up for them. Butler has had issues with young players in both his stops now.
It was MCW not Grant (the same MCW that can't stay on a team and the same Mirotic that got sucker-punched at practice and then was the player shipped away).  And again it is all about effort with Butler.  He will clash with players that don't provide maximum effort.  Whether they are young or old doesn't matter. 

And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that is a good character trait, especially from someone that is supposed to be your leader, but it is a character trait that many great players have had.  Jordan, for example, was notoriously hard on teammates that didn't give it their all.  That is what has made Butler so great, but it is also what has caused tension in several different locker-rooms.  Maybe he will always be a problem.  Maybe he will soften up a bit.  Maybe he will find a team that has players that work as hard as him.  Who knows.

From what Rondo said, it's not true. He said the young guys put in work, and its the leadership that's the problem.
and yet, MCW can't hold a job despite winning ROY and Mirotic got shipped out after HE was sucker punched.  That seems very strange if Butler was the problem and not those two.

MCW is simply not good a player. As for Mirotic, I don't see how getting punched has anything to do with his work ethic.
It doesn't. Not even remotely, lol. But Moranis wants it to fit the weird agenda he's pushing
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on September 29, 2018, 09:38:07 AM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Edit: Slamtheking beat me to the punch for most of this  :P


Except Butler doesn't have a great track record of working with young guys. Really the opposite. IMO he would quickly get frustrated and become toxic. Then he leaves in the offseason for nothing.

And even if he stays he is likely washed up before the young guys are good enough to contend. There are cheaper, "good locker room guy" vets out there that can provide arguably far more stability at no cost of picks or young talent.
Butler got along fine with the young guys in Chicago, it was the old vets (Rose, Noah, Wade, and Rondo) that were coasting and not putting in the work that angered Butler and caused a lot of the tension he had there.

I don't think you have that quite right. Rondo and Butler were definitely on opposite sides. But so were Rondo and Wade. Rondo was also definitely on the side of the young guys (they've even vouched for him since his time in chicago). So I'm pretty sure Butler, Wade and the old guys were against the young guys and Rondo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/young-bulls-rave-about-rajon-rondo-as-a-teammate/

Butler was against the young guys including Mirotic (then 24) Grant (then 23) and Rondo stood up for them. Butler has had issues with young players in both his stops now.
It was MCW not Grant (the same MCW that can't stay on a team and the same Mirotic that got sucker-punched at practice and then was the player shipped away).  And again it is all about effort with Butler.  He will clash with players that don't provide maximum effort.  Whether they are young or old doesn't matter. 

And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that is a good character trait, especially from someone that is supposed to be your leader, but it is a character trait that many great players have had.  Jordan, for example, was notoriously hard on teammates that didn't give it their all.  That is what has made Butler so great, but it is also what has caused tension in several different locker-rooms.  Maybe he will always be a problem.  Maybe he will soften up a bit.  Maybe he will find a team that has players that work as hard as him.  Who knows.

From what Rondo said, it's not true. He said the young guys put in work, and its the leadership that's the problem.
and yet, MCW can't hold a job despite winning ROY and Mirotic got shipped out after HE was sucker punched.  That seems very strange if Butler was the problem and not those two.

MCW is simply not good a player. As for Mirotic, I don't see how getting punched has anything to do with his work ethic.
my point was the Bulls chose Portis over Mirotic, despite Portis being a lesser player and the aggressor.  There has to be something else going on for that to be the Bulls choice.  I have no idea what that something is, but there was something there, which certainly could be work ethic problems which may in fact be why he allegedly clashed with Butler.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on September 29, 2018, 01:10:26 PM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Edit: Slamtheking beat me to the punch for most of this  :P


Except Butler doesn't have a great track record of working with young guys. Really the opposite. IMO he would quickly get frustrated and become toxic. Then he leaves in the offseason for nothing.

And even if he stays he is likely washed up before the young guys are good enough to contend. There are cheaper, "good locker room guy" vets out there that can provide arguably far more stability at no cost of picks or young talent.
Butler got along fine with the young guys in Chicago, it was the old vets (Rose, Noah, Wade, and Rondo) that were coasting and not putting in the work that angered Butler and caused a lot of the tension he had there.

I don't think you have that quite right. Rondo and Butler were definitely on opposite sides. But so were Rondo and Wade. Rondo was also definitely on the side of the young guys (they've even vouched for him since his time in chicago). So I'm pretty sure Butler, Wade and the old guys were against the young guys and Rondo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/young-bulls-rave-about-rajon-rondo-as-a-teammate/

Butler was against the young guys including Mirotic (then 24) Grant (then 23) and Rondo stood up for them. Butler has had issues with young players in both his stops now.
It was MCW not Grant (the same MCW that can't stay on a team and the same Mirotic that got sucker-punched at practice and then was the player shipped away).  And again it is all about effort with Butler.  He will clash with players that don't provide maximum effort.  Whether they are young or old doesn't matter. 

And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that is a good character trait, especially from someone that is supposed to be your leader, but it is a character trait that many great players have had.  Jordan, for example, was notoriously hard on teammates that didn't give it their all.  That is what has made Butler so great, but it is also what has caused tension in several different locker-rooms.  Maybe he will always be a problem.  Maybe he will soften up a bit.  Maybe he will find a team that has players that work as hard as him.  Who knows.

From what Rondo said, it's not true. He said the young guys put in work, and its the leadership that's the problem.
and yet, MCW can't hold a job despite winning ROY and Mirotic got shipped out after HE was sucker punched.  That seems very strange if Butler was the problem and not those two.

MCW is simply not good a player. As for Mirotic, I don't see how getting punched has anything to do with his work ethic.
my point was the Bulls chose Portis over Mirotic, despite Portis being a lesser player and the aggressor.  There has to be something else going on for that to be the Bulls choice.  I have no idea what that something is, but there was something there, which certainly could be work ethic problems which may in fact be why he allegedly clashed with Butler.

What do you mean they chose Portis? Mirotic was helping them win too many games so they had to trade him to help their tank. Why does this have to part of some larger agenda or conspiracy? This seems pretty straight forward.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: green_bballers13 on September 29, 2018, 06:25:14 PM
Mirotic is 27 and Portis is 23. Chicago is rebuilding. I think its that simple.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on September 29, 2018, 08:21:26 PM
Mirotic is 27 and Portis is 23. Chicago is rebuilding. I think its that simple.
There must be a hidden meaning behind this all!
/sarcasm
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: KGs Knee on September 29, 2018, 08:41:33 PM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Edit: Slamtheking beat me to the punch for most of this  :P


Except Butler doesn't have a great track record of working with young guys. Really the opposite. IMO he would quickly get frustrated and become toxic. Then he leaves in the offseason for nothing.

And even if he stays he is likely washed up before the young guys are good enough to contend. There are cheaper, "good locker room guy" vets out there that can provide arguably far more stability at no cost of picks or young talent.
Butler got along fine with the young guys in Chicago, it was the old vets (Rose, Noah, Wade, and Rondo) that were coasting and not putting in the work that angered Butler and caused a lot of the tension he had there.

I don't think you have that quite right. Rondo and Butler were definitely on opposite sides. But so were Rondo and Wade. Rondo was also definitely on the side of the young guys (they've even vouched for him since his time in chicago). So I'm pretty sure Butler, Wade and the old guys were against the young guys and Rondo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/young-bulls-rave-about-rajon-rondo-as-a-teammate/

Butler was against the young guys including Mirotic (then 24) Grant (then 23) and Rondo stood up for them. Butler has had issues with young players in both his stops now.
It was MCW not Grant (the same MCW that can't stay on a team and the same Mirotic that got sucker-punched at practice and then was the player shipped away).  And again it is all about effort with Butler.  He will clash with players that don't provide maximum effort.  Whether they are young or old doesn't matter. 

And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that is a good character trait, especially from someone that is supposed to be your leader, but it is a character trait that many great players have had.  Jordan, for example, was notoriously hard on teammates that didn't give it their all.  That is what has made Butler so great, but it is also what has caused tension in several different locker-rooms.  Maybe he will always be a problem.  Maybe he will soften up a bit.  Maybe he will find a team that has players that work as hard as him.  Who knows.

From what Rondo said, it's not true. He said the young guys put in work, and its the leadership that's the problem.
and yet, MCW can't hold a job despite winning ROY and Mirotic got shipped out after HE was sucker punched.  That seems very strange if Butler was the problem and not those two.

MCW is simply not good a player. As for Mirotic, I don't see how getting punched has anything to do with his work ethic.
my point was the Bulls chose Portis over Mirotic, despite Portis being a lesser player and the aggressor.  There has to be something else going on for that to be the Bulls choice.  I have no idea what that something is, but there was something there, which certainly could be work ethic problems which may in fact be why he allegedly clashed with Butler.

What do you mean they chose Portis? Mirotic was helping them win too many games so they had to trade him to help their tank. Why does this have to part of some larger agenda or conspiracy? This seems pretty straight forward.

This, and also, Chicago likely figured it would better serve their rebuild to get assets for Mirotic when they did, while his value was 'up'.

Mirotic was not traded because he had a poor work ethic or was a problem in the lockeroom, there's no evidence to make that claim.  He was traded because it best served the long term goals of the team.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 29, 2018, 09:36:33 PM
Quote
Dave Joerger, speaking on how Zach Randolph and Kosta Koufos helped the Kings win games last season: "I'm not saying those guys won't play but our bigger priority is to play as many young guys as possible."

https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1044376268592967680

Good news for us.
Probably not.  I'd expect Bagley, at a minimum, to far out perform Randolph.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Giles and Labissierre also are just better than him.  Randolph has been deteriorating pretty quickly.  I frankly see that quote as Joerger trying to save some face for Randolph.

You might be right. There's definitely potential for the Kings to be better than people expect.

That said, most young guys, especially big men, aren't prepared to help their team win games. They may produce, and they may even show big-time potential, but most of the time, win totals don't go up until closer to their second contract.
Sure, but Randolph didn't actually help them win any games last year.  He had by far the worst on/off differential on the Kings last year at -7.6.  Koufos was also negative at -1.5.  Labissierre for comparison was a +3.9 and WCS was -0.9 (so at least better than Kosta and Zach). 

The simple reality is, Randolph is shot and Koufos just isn't any good.  Bagley, Giles, Labissierre, and of course WCS are going to be the main rotation because quite frankly they are going to be their 4 best big men (I'm counting Bjelica as a wing - see below). 

The Kings problem is going to be the wing.  They have only 2 wings on the roster, Justin Jackson and Jamel Artis.  That is their real problem as they are going to have to play Bjelica on the wing.  They really don't have any choice unless they play an undersized guard like Hield or McLemore their. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on Butler since they don't own their pick anyway.  I don't think they'd give up a premier young player for him, but they could absolutely absorb Dieng as well.  Obviously that depends on what Minnesota's market actually is.  But that would instantly make the Kings interesting (so say they give up salary filler, WCS and Skal for Butler and Dieng).  I don't know if a lineup of Fox, Hield, Butler, Bagley, Dieng with Giles, Ferrell, Bjelica, and Jackson makes the playoffs in the West, but it would at least make for some excitement in Sacramento for the season and if Butler leaves, oh well.
Butler would hate being on the Kings with all those young players.  Why would Minny want WCS and Skal?  They need a PG or wing.
Yeah, really unsure why Sacramento would even try. Unless they offer Fox and maybe Hield, they are definitely not getting Butler

Don't forget that the Kings are really, really, stupid. Derailing a rebuild in the name of "creating excitement" is exactly what idiotic organizations do.
I'm not really sure the trade I proposed derails a rebuild since the Kings don't own their pick this year anyway.  And having a guy like Butler might actually help their young guards develop.
Edit: Slamtheking beat me to the punch for most of this  :P


Except Butler doesn't have a great track record of working with young guys. Really the opposite. IMO he would quickly get frustrated and become toxic. Then he leaves in the offseason for nothing.

And even if he stays he is likely washed up before the young guys are good enough to contend. There are cheaper, "good locker room guy" vets out there that can provide arguably far more stability at no cost of picks or young talent.
Butler got along fine with the young guys in Chicago, it was the old vets (Rose, Noah, Wade, and Rondo) that were coasting and not putting in the work that angered Butler and caused a lot of the tension he had there.

I don't think you have that quite right. Rondo and Butler were definitely on opposite sides. But so were Rondo and Wade. Rondo was also definitely on the side of the young guys (they've even vouched for him since his time in chicago). So I'm pretty sure Butler, Wade and the old guys were against the young guys and Rondo.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/young-bulls-rave-about-rajon-rondo-as-a-teammate/

Butler was against the young guys including Mirotic (then 24) Grant (then 23) and Rondo stood up for them. Butler has had issues with young players in both his stops now.
It was MCW not Grant (the same MCW that can't stay on a team and the same Mirotic that got sucker-punched at practice and then was the player shipped away).  And again it is all about effort with Butler.  He will clash with players that don't provide maximum effort.  Whether they are young or old doesn't matter. 

And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that is a good character trait, especially from someone that is supposed to be your leader, but it is a character trait that many great players have had.  Jordan, for example, was notoriously hard on teammates that didn't give it their all.  That is what has made Butler so great, but it is also what has caused tension in several different locker-rooms.  Maybe he will always be a problem.  Maybe he will soften up a bit.  Maybe he will find a team that has players that work as hard as him.  Who knows.

From what Rondo said, it's not true. He said the young guys put in work, and its the leadership that's the problem.
and yet, MCW can't hold a job despite winning ROY and Mirotic got shipped out after HE was sucker punched.  That seems very strange if Butler was the problem and not those two.

MCW is simply not good a player. As for Mirotic, I don't see how getting punched has anything to do with his work ethic.
my point was the Bulls chose Portis over Mirotic, despite Portis being a lesser player and the aggressor.  There has to be something else going on for that to be the Bulls choice.  I have no idea what that something is, but there was something there, which certainly could be work ethic problems which may in fact be why he allegedly clashed with Butler.

What do you mean they chose Portis? Mirotic was helping them win too many games so they had to trade him to help their tank. Why does this have to part of some larger agenda or conspiracy? This seems pretty straight forward.

This, and also, Chicago likely figured it would better serve their rebuild to get assets for Mirotic when they did, while his value was 'up'.

Mirotic was not traded because he had a poor work ethic or was a problem in the lockeroom, there's no evidence to make that claim.  He was traded because it best served the long term goals of the team.
They also received a protected 1st for Mirotic.  No way Portis gets them a 1st. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Emmette Bryant on October 02, 2018, 11:32:01 AM
 first preseason game!

https://sports.yahoo.com/three-takeaways-kings-106-102-051954318.html?src=rss
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on October 02, 2018, 12:38:41 PM
first preseason game!

https://sports.yahoo.com/three-takeaways-kings-106-102-051954318.html?src=rss
Good to see Harry Giles healthy. Not sure he'll hold up. Those knees could go at any time. I wish him good luck as far as health goes. Just hope they lose about 60 games.

Edit: Josh Jackson looks so weird without his hair. I'm glad we didn't draft him.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: moiso on October 02, 2018, 01:30:01 PM
first preseason game!

https://sports.yahoo.com/three-takeaways-kings-106-102-051954318.html?src=rss
Good to see Harry Giles healthy. Not sure he'll hold up. Those knees could go at any time. I wish him good luck as far as health goes. Just hope they lose about 60 games.

Edit: Josh Jackson looks so weird without his hair. I'm glad we didn't draft him.
We can’t be having any weird looking players😛.  I’m glad we took Tatum but I like Jackson and think he will be pretty good.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Sideshow Mel on October 11, 2018, 10:58:47 PM
Yes, it's a meaningless preseason game, but the Kings are down 51-19 mid-way through the second. Man, they look bad.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on October 11, 2018, 11:09:07 PM
Yes, it's a meaningless preseason game, but the Kings are down 51-19 mid-way through the second. Man, they look bad.
I'm usually one for dismissing most preseason results, but 30 points in nearly a half of a game is hilarious.

Give us that #2 pick baby!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: konkmv on October 12, 2018, 12:42:31 AM
Just hope the don't land at n.1 spot... they are bad
Title: Sacramento mess
Post by: konkmv on October 12, 2018, 06:47:17 AM
I have a question.. why does a team need 5 centers in the modern nba..? Stein koufos skai giles bagley... 5 7footers.. makes no sense
Title: Re: Sacramento mess
Post by: Surferdad on October 12, 2018, 06:58:54 AM
Let's come up with a name for what Divac is doing. 

Philly has "The Process".  Sac has __________ (fill in)
Title: Re: Sacramento mess
Post by: Roy H. on October 12, 2018, 07:27:25 AM
Maybe if a team had five Vlades and Chris Webbers they'd be okay, haha.  It's all he knows. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Sophomore on October 12, 2018, 07:51:59 AM
Just hope the don't land at n.1 spot... they are bad

With the changes to the draft odds, it’s actually better for us if they’re worst than if they’re 2d-3rd worst (same chance of the #1 pick for all 3 spots, but if Kings are worse we can’t fall too far). If they have an even better record, odds of top pick fall but odds of 2-5 pick start to fall too.

Given that the worst record only has a 14% of getting the 1 pick I’m ok with it. Bottom line though - they’re all pretty good.

http://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds
Title: Re: Sacramento mess
Post by: knuckleballer on October 12, 2018, 08:07:55 AM
Let's come up with a name for what Divac is doing. 

Philly has "The Process".  Sac has __________ (fill in)

Sac has...

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Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on October 17, 2018, 02:15:53 PM
VIDEO (Kings coach Dave Joerger looks ahead to season opener vs. Jazz):

https://www.abc10.com/video/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-coach-dave-joerger-looks-ahead-to-season-opener-vs-jazz/103-8283603

Quote
Joerger simplified the playbook. He checked analytics. How will Kings play for him?
BY JASON ANDERSON


October 17, 2018 06:00 AM

Since training camp began, Kings coach Dave Joerger has dropped subtle and not-so-subtle hints that his team might be much further away from being competitive than some might have hoped.

The first true test will come Wednesday night when the Kings open the season at home against the Utah Jazz, the same team that eviscerated them in a 39-point blowout last week at Golden 1 Center.

That performance prompted some candid remarks from Joerger, who might have revealed how far his young players have to go when he mentioned how much he has simplified the team’s playbook.

“You try to simplify it as much as possible,” Joerger said. “The offensive playbook is like 18 percent of what it would normally be. It is very much reduced so we can spend time teaching guys how to pass, when to dribble (and) shoot.”


The Kings struggled defensively against Jazz center Rudy Gobert, who had 18 points and seven rebounds before sitting out the second half. Utah shot 60 percent from the field and made 14 of 30 from 3-point range while holding the Kings to 34.4-percent shooting overall and 3-of-18 shooting from beyond the arc.

“The game is going awful fast for a lot of our young guys, more so at the defensive end,” Joerger said. “It’s just going to take time. And they’re practicing against each other. There’s no Rudy Gobert in our gym to practice against day in and day out. So practices have been good, practices have been spirited, practices have been competitive. We look good against each other, so we’ve got to keep that spirit up and try to stay positive and keep getting better.”

Joerger would not reveal a starting lineup for Wednesday’s game following Tuesday’s practice, but he noted each of the past two days that data analytics support the idea of playing small forward Justin Jackson at the power forward position. Jackson averaged only 7.8 points and 1.7 rebounds in six preseason games, but Joerger said center Willie Cauley-Stein was better with Jackson on the floor.

“I think the numbers bear out we’re better and faster with Justin Jackson at the 4, playing in space,” Joerger said. “Willie’s plus-minus was always best when he was playing with a small 4.”

The problem with that approach is it could cut into the available minutes for rookies Marvin Bagley III and Harry Giles III, which might put Joerger at odds with the organization’s commitment to develop its young players.

“I’m serving a lot of masters as far as development and trying to get a lot of guys minutes,” Joerger said. “So how you weigh what is the most important and what is also important and how you can accomplish all those things at the same time can be difficult, (but) I’m going to try to do it.”


Giles, eager to play his first official NBA game after sitting out last season, said it will take time for the team’s young core to develop, echoing Joerger’s calls for patience.

“We’re young and it will come together,” Giles said. “I believe in this team. My concern is people are going to think we’re supposed to have it all together in one day or one week or 10 games. It’s a whole process because guys are young.”

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article220140185.html

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on October 17, 2018, 07:09:16 PM
Starters tonight vs. Utah:

PG De'Aaron Fox
SG Buddy Hield
SF Justin Jackson
PF Bjelica
C Cauley-Stein

I tuned in twice during preseason, both times the Kings were already down by 30+ I believe lol

*posting the SL just this time since it's their opening night!!  :D
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: knuckleballer on October 17, 2018, 07:19:47 PM
Starters tonight vs. Utah:

PG De'Aaron Fox
SG Buddy Hield
SF Justin Jackson
PF Bjelica
C Cauley-Stein

I tuned in twice during preseason, both times the Kings were already down by 30+ I believe lol

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/a6440e3e8a29ac9237096f314f986c6e/tenor.gif?itemid=6219985)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on October 17, 2018, 10:11:19 PM
Roll call for tonight:
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Adelaide Celt on October 18, 2018, 12:34:52 AM
0-1
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on October 18, 2018, 12:41:32 AM
Ferrell started instead of Justin Jackson

Bagley 12 mins
Giles 10 mins
Skal Labissiere didn’t play
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 18, 2018, 01:58:07 AM
0-1

Starters didn’t do so bad but that bench is going to cause a lot of pain for sactown

That 2nd quarter was absymal if you look at the box score 38-20 or something like that
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on October 18, 2018, 03:06:05 AM
Hopefully the Kings suck just enough that their pick doesn't get conveyed to the 76ers.

Or we flip it in a package for Anthony Davis.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2018, 03:14:26 AM
Hopefully the Kings suck just enough that their pick doesn't get conveyed to the 76ers.

Or we flip it in a package for Anthony Davis.
Yeah, that #2 pick would be nice! The way Davis played today made me remember how desperately I want him
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Androslav on October 18, 2018, 03:19:29 AM
Hopefully the Kings suck just enough that their pick doesn't get conveyed to the 76ers.

Or we flip it in a package for Anthony Davis.
Yeah, that #2 pick would be nice! The way Davis played today made me remember how desperately I want him
(sigh)
Wilt of our time.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on October 18, 2018, 03:19:44 AM
Hopefully the Kings suck just enough that their pick doesn't get conveyed to the 76ers.

Or we flip it in a package for Anthony Davis.
Yeah, that #2 pick would be nice! The way Davis played today made me remember how desperately I want him

32/16/8...man, where can we find big man talent like THAT these days? Imagine a dynasty when AD is on board.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2018, 03:26:05 AM
Hopefully the Kings suck just enough that their pick doesn't get conveyed to the 76ers.

Or we flip it in a package for Anthony Davis.
Yeah, that #2 pick would be nice! The way Davis played today made me remember how desperately I want him

32/16/8...man, where can we find big man talent like THAT these days? Imagine a dynasty when AD is on board.
Not too mention 3 steals and 3 blocks. Insanity.

Please DA. Please get him
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Somebody on October 18, 2018, 04:20:06 AM
Or we could just draft a big man in hopes that he can become an alite big. I know Davis is the premier big in the league but I don't think we can get him without giving up Brown and Tatum.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on October 19, 2018, 10:29:00 PM
New Orleans beat Sacramento 149-129
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on October 19, 2018, 10:38:30 PM
Well at least our Kings pick is looking solid tonight, 0-2!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on October 19, 2018, 10:38:53 PM
New Orleans beat Sacramento 149-129
Davis putting up 25/16/6/2/2 in 26 minutes was straight up nasty. Mirotic has also been unstoppable 2 games in

Or we could just draft a big man in hopes that he can become an alite big. I know Davis is the premier big in the league but I don't think we can get him without giving up Brown and Tatum.
Depending on how this season goes for NOP, I reckon Brown, Smart, #2-5 pick, the Memphis pick (could be top 10) and maybe a Rozier type could get it done.

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 19, 2018, 11:47:40 PM
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/e1/e1d999d47703d373612ad6b4e98b755fe5bf1303f5f3d7b3133384c5a142444d.jpg)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on October 21, 2018, 02:31:42 PM
SAC @ OKC 7 PM EST

Westbrook's a GTD.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 21, 2018, 06:41:44 PM
Kings playing thunder who are 0-2
However Westbrook returns tonight. Hope it sparks the thunder and makes them win
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on October 21, 2018, 07:44:21 PM
I think the conventional wisdom was this OKC team might go far because they're a good defensive team but the Kings just put 34 points up in the first quarter and OKC gave up 108 points in their first two games. They're tough to root for.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on October 21, 2018, 08:27:34 PM
this kings team is playing much better than lots of people expected (even considering they are 0-2)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 21, 2018, 09:00:32 PM
Come on okc. 7 pts
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on October 21, 2018, 09:04:30 PM
this kings team is playing much better than lots of people expected (even considering they are 0-2)

Yeah hopefully it's just early season fight.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 21, 2018, 09:05:24 PM
6 pts. Okc slowly chipping away
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on October 21, 2018, 09:08:39 PM
Nader’s on the bench, didn’t suit up

OKC playing Burton and Diallo right now lol
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on October 21, 2018, 09:29:29 PM
It’s a good thing SAC plays in the West because they have way more talent than those Nets teams did that got the C’s lottery picks.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on October 21, 2018, 09:32:13 PM
A few wins here and there probably for the best.

Sac getting number 1 would be worse than us not even getting that pick
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 23, 2018, 11:40:53 PM
Nuggets beat the kings


1-3


I know it’s ridiculously  early but it’s comfortable seeing them as the 13 seed
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on October 25, 2018, 12:11:08 AM
kings kinda close to pulling out a second one
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on October 25, 2018, 12:53:54 AM
At least the win was against Memphis and their top-8 protected pick
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on October 27, 2018, 09:29:54 AM
Kings are currently sitting in playoff position at 3-3 in the West.  Obviously I don't believe that holds, but it appears the Kings are going to be bad, but not horrible this year, as they are a very young team that is only going to get better as the season goes on. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Birdman on October 27, 2018, 10:25:36 AM
still say they only win 20
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on October 27, 2018, 04:12:17 PM
still say they only win 20
17-59 the rest of the way.  I just don't see that at all. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on October 29, 2018, 06:48:29 PM
Kings are currently sitting in playoff position at 3-3 in the West.  Obviously I don't believe that holds, but it appears the Kings are going to be bad, but not horrible this year, as they are a very young team that is only going to get better as the season goes on.

Eh it’s early.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 29, 2018, 07:04:27 PM
I have the recurring nightmare of watching the "Lottery Show" and seeing it come down to Celtics and Philly.   In all honesty, I would gladly take pick 8 just to avoid any likelihood of that heart-pounding moment.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on October 29, 2018, 08:08:14 PM
MIA leads 28-17, end of 1st...

Magic tomorrow, then Hawks Thursday  :)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: moiso on October 29, 2018, 08:20:08 PM
I have the recurring nightmare of watching the "Lottery Show" and seeing it come down to Celtics and Philly.   In all honesty, I would gladly take pick 8 just to avoid any likelihood of that heart-pounding moment.
Not me.  I love that stress and the level of interest it creates for me.  I love caring about another team so much all season long.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on October 29, 2018, 08:20:28 PM
Skal Labissiere's inactive (healthy scratch)...

Bam just backed down and dunked on Bagley!  :o

I love that stress and the level of interest it creates for me.  I love caring about another team so much all season long.

Same!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 29, 2018, 08:29:40 PM
I have the recurring nightmare of watching the "Lottery Show" and seeing it come down to Celtics and Philly.   In all honesty, I would gladly take pick 8 just to avoid any likelihood of that heart-pounding moment.
Not me.  I love that stress and the level of interest it creates for me.  I love caring about another team so much all season long.

Well you clearly aren't Neurotic Guy. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on October 29, 2018, 09:09:27 PM
sac up 17 on miami?  does this say more about sac or miami?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: footey on October 29, 2018, 10:07:37 PM
They’re 4-3. Pick not looking so good early on.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on October 29, 2018, 10:09:09 PM
The Kings are way better than I thought they'd be so far this year but the 4 wins are against teams with troubles- OKC, Memphis,Washington and Miami.... Still wins are wins.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on October 29, 2018, 10:51:34 PM
Not good right now.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on October 30, 2018, 03:40:08 AM
I have the recurring nightmare of watching the "Lottery Show" and seeing it come down to Celtics and Philly.   In all honesty, I would gladly take pick 8 just to avoid any likelihood of that heart-pounding moment.

Interesting draft coming up. Looks like 4 clear Tier 1 guys, all swings. Will be a good pick to trade no matter where it lands...
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on October 30, 2018, 05:03:14 AM
I have the recurring nightmare of watching the "Lottery Show" and seeing it come down to Celtics and Philly.   In all honesty, I would gladly take pick 8 just to avoid any likelihood of that heart-pounding moment.

I’ve thought about this as well.

Imagine it coming down to us getting the #2 pick vs. Philly getting the #1 pick?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Surferdad on October 30, 2018, 09:22:06 AM
The Kings are way better than I thought they'd be so far this year but the 4 wins are against teams with troubles- OKC, Memphis,Washington and Miami.... Still wins are wins.
sac will regress to the mean.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on October 30, 2018, 09:55:13 AM
The Kings are way better than I thought they'd be so far this year but the 4 wins are against teams with troubles- OKC, Memphis,Washington and Miami.... Still wins are wins.
sac will regress to the mean.
everybody does, the real question is what is their mean?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 30, 2018, 10:08:56 AM
Getting a pick between 8-11 might not be so bad. The guys at the top of the draft want the most playing time.. Look at josh Jackson he didn't even want to work out for Boston because of that.

If we get a chipped shoulder role player from the middle lottery, theyll happily come off the bench and we still get a quality player. Although it would be real  nice to have someone like Zion, Barrett, reddish, little to come off be bench for us

I mean we barely have garbage time for williams that's why I came up with this thought
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: slamtheking on October 30, 2018, 11:15:14 AM
Getting a pick between 8-11 might not be so bad. The guys at the top of the draft want the most playing time.. Look at josh Jackson he didn't even want to work out for Boston because of that.

If we get a chipped shoulder role player from the middle lottery, theyll happily come off the bench and we still get a quality player. Although it would be real  nice to have someone like Zion, Barrett, reddish, little to come off be bench for us

I mean we barely have garbage time for williams that's why I came up with this thought
I'd still prefer the best prospect we can get especially if it's a top-tier prospect.  Idiots like Jackson that value playing time over winning become valuable trade chips to bring in established high-end talent (if the prospect is that much of a headache).  I see Jackson as the exception to the general rule.  Tatum did just fine joining the team.

right now, it's looking like a moot point because the C's would have 4 first round picks this coming draft and none in the top-tier range: 16 (Sac), 19(Mem), 20 (Clips) & 23 (C's)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on October 30, 2018, 11:55:23 AM
The Kings are way better than I thought they'd be so far this year but the 4 wins are against teams with troubles- OKC, Memphis,Washington and Miami.... Still wins are wins.
sac will regress to the mean.

Yeah, they're this year's Orlando Magic. They're young and athletic and excited to be here. When the rest of the league gets in rhythm, they'll fall into the bottom 3 in the West, no question.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on October 30, 2018, 12:03:28 PM
I agree with others that it is to early to think they definitely won't be one of the worst teams in the league. I got fooled pretty badly by the Lakers last year when they started off 9-9 with a win over the warriors. The Magic also had a pretty crazy start. I mean are people convinced the rockets will end up with the 3rd pick?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on October 30, 2018, 12:17:43 PM
7 PM EST

Sacramento (4-3) @ Orlando (2-4)

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on October 30, 2018, 03:48:29 PM
The Kings are way better than I thought they'd be so far this year but the 4 wins are against teams with troubles- OKC, Memphis,Washington and Miami.... Still wins are wins.
sac will regress to the mean.

Yeah, they're this year's Orlando Magic. They're young and athletic and excited to be here. When the rest of the league gets in rhythm, they'll fall into the bottom 3 in the West, no question.
They weren't bottom 3 in the west last year.  No guarantee they end up in the bottom 3 this year.  I do think they will be the 3rd worst team in the west with only Dallas and Phoenix behind them, but it is certainly possible that another "Memphis" comes along this year that goes into full bore tanking as a result of injuries, under performance, etc.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on October 30, 2018, 04:10:19 PM
The Kings are way better than I thought they'd be so far this year but the 4 wins are against teams with troubles- OKC, Memphis,Washington and Miami.... Still wins are wins.
sac will regress to the mean.

Yeah, they're this year's Orlando Magic. They're young and athletic and excited to be here. When the rest of the league gets in rhythm, they'll fall into the bottom 3 in the West, no question.
They weren't bottom 3 in the west last year.  No guarantee they end up in the bottom 3 this year.  I do think they will be the 3rd worst team in the west with only Dallas and Phoenix behind them, but it is certainly possible that another "Memphis" comes along this year that goes into full bore tanking as a result of injuries, under performance, etc.

You still are on Dallas being that bad? Aside from their opener they have looked pretty solid, including losing a battle last night in San Antonio that went to overtime. Doncic has also looked completely read for the NBA which was a question mark and they haven't had Harrison Barnes at full strength yet. Who, while overpaid, is certainly a starting quality player.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on October 30, 2018, 04:20:34 PM
7 PM EST

Sacramento (4-3) @ Orlando (2-4)
FWIW, Orlando is favored by 5.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on October 30, 2018, 04:39:51 PM
The Kings are way better than I thought they'd be so far this year but the 4 wins are against teams with troubles- OKC, Memphis,Washington and Miami.... Still wins are wins.
sac will regress to the mean.

Yeah, they're this year's Orlando Magic. They're young and athletic and excited to be here. When the rest of the league gets in rhythm, they'll fall into the bottom 3 in the West, no question.
They weren't bottom 3 in the west last year.  No guarantee they end up in the bottom 3 this year.  I do think they will be the 3rd worst team in the west with only Dallas and Phoenix behind them, but it is certainly possible that another "Memphis" comes along this year that goes into full bore tanking as a result of injuries, under performance, etc.

You still are on Dallas being that bad? Aside from their opener they have looked pretty solid, including losing a battle last night in San Antonio that went to overtime. Doncic has also looked completely read for the NBA which was a question mark and they haven't had Harrison Barnes at full strength yet. Who, while overpaid, is certainly a starting quality player.
Doncic has definitely looked better than I thought he would thus far this year, but Dallas is 2-5 and that seems about right to me (I pegged them for 20-25 wins and that is the current pace).  They have no legit big men on the roster aside from Jordan (and frankly I think that might include Dirk at this point if he ever comes back).  Finney-Smith, Kleber, and Powell should all be deep bench players, yet all are very much rotation players on the Mavs.  Their roster construction problems I described have definitely been born out thus far, as they have like 5 competent players, only 1 of which is a PF or C - Doncic, Smith, Matthews, Jordan, and Barnes.  They might have the worst bench in the league and that starting 5 isn't exactly the Warriors.  I also think Carlisle is worn out and should retire as I just don't think he has the heart for a rebuild and the Mavs are most definitely rebuilding.

I think the Kings with all of their depth and youth are going to run and run a lot.  I believe they have the fastest pace in the league right now, and I think they continue to play at that speed.  I think that pace is going to allow them to win games against better teams (especially at home) as the season goes on.  I still see the Kings as a 30 win team, which as I've said I believe is better than the Mavs and Suns, as well as 3 or 4 teams in the East (Hawks, Bulls, and Knicks - maybe the Cavs, Hornets, Nets, and Magic depending on what they end up doing). 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on October 30, 2018, 04:42:56 PM
Bagley reminds me of Lamar Odom.

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on October 30, 2018, 04:59:08 PM
Teams worse or on par with SAC:

Cleveland
Atlanta
Chicago
Brooklyn
Orlando
New York
Phoenix
Dallas

Probably 5-10
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on October 30, 2018, 05:20:00 PM
The Kings are way better than I thought they'd be so far this year but the 4 wins are against teams with troubles- OKC, Memphis,Washington and Miami.... Still wins are wins.
sac will regress to the mean.

Yeah, they're this year's Orlando Magic. They're young and athletic and excited to be here. When the rest of the league gets in rhythm, they'll fall into the bottom 3 in the West, no question.
They weren't bottom 3 in the west last year.  No guarantee they end up in the bottom 3 this year.  I do think they will be the 3rd worst team in the west with only Dallas and Phoenix behind them, but it is certainly possible that another "Memphis" comes along this year that goes into full bore tanking as a result of injuries, under performance, etc.

You still are on Dallas being that bad? Aside from their opener they have looked pretty solid, including losing a battle last night in San Antonio that went to overtime. Doncic has also looked completely read for the NBA which was a question mark and they haven't had Harrison Barnes at full strength yet. Who, while overpaid, is certainly a starting quality player.
Doncic has definitely looked better than I thought he would thus far this year, but Dallas is 2-5 and that seems about right to me (I pegged them for 20-25 wins and that is the current pace).  They have no legit big men on the roster aside from Jordan (and frankly I think that might include Dirk at this point if he ever comes back).  Finney-Smith, Kleber, and Powell should all be deep bench players, yet all are very much rotation players on the Mavs.  Their roster construction problems I described have definitely been born out thus far, as they have like 5 competent players, only 1 of which is a PF or C - Doncic, Smith, Matthews, Jordan, and Barnes.  They might have the worst bench in the league and that starting 5 isn't exactly the Warriors.  I also think Carlisle is worn out and should retire as I just don't think he has the heart for a rebuild and the Mavs are most definitely rebuilding.

I think the Kings with all of their depth and youth are going to run and run a lot.  I believe they have the fastest pace in the league right now, and I think they continue to play at that speed.  I think that pace is going to allow them to win games against better teams (especially at home) as the season goes on.  I still see the Kings as a 30 win team, which as I've said I believe is better than the Mavs and Suns, as well as 3 or 4 teams in the East (Hawks, Bulls, and Knicks - maybe the Cavs, Hornets, Nets, and Magic depending on what they end up doing).

I hadn't really heard or read anything about Carlisle being burned out. This is news to me.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: moiso on October 30, 2018, 05:45:40 PM
The Kings are way better than I thought they'd be so far this year but the 4 wins are against teams with troubles- OKC, Memphis,Washington and Miami.... Still wins are wins.
sac will regress to the mean.

Yeah, they're this year's Orlando Magic. They're young and athletic and excited to be here. When the rest of the league gets in rhythm, they'll fall into the bottom 3 in the West, no question.
They weren't bottom 3 in the west last year.  No guarantee they end up in the bottom 3 this year.  I do think they will be the 3rd worst team in the west with only Dallas and Phoenix behind them, but it is certainly possible that another "Memphis" comes along this year that goes into full bore tanking as a result of injuries, under performance, etc.

You still are on Dallas being that bad? Aside from their opener they have looked pretty solid, including losing a battle last night in San Antonio that went to overtime. Doncic has also looked completely read for the NBA which was a question mark and they haven't had Harrison Barnes at full strength yet. Who, while overpaid, is certainly a starting quality player.
Doncic has definitely looked better than I thought he would thus far this year, but Dallas is 2-5 and that seems about right to me (I pegged them for 20-25 wins and that is the current pace).  They have no legit big men on the roster aside from Jordan (and frankly I think that might include Dirk at this point if he ever comes back).  Finney-Smith, Kleber, and Powell should all be deep bench players, yet all are very much rotation players on the Mavs.  Their roster construction problems I described have definitely been born out thus far, as they have like 5 competent players, only 1 of which is a PF or C - Doncic, Smith, Matthews, Jordan, and Barnes.  They might have the worst bench in the league and that starting 5 isn't exactly the Warriors.  I also think Carlisle is worn out and should retire as I just don't think he has the heart for a rebuild and the Mavs are most definitely rebuilding.

I think the Kings with all of their depth and youth are going to run and run a lot.  I believe they have the fastest pace in the league right now, and I think they continue to play at that speed.  I think that pace is going to allow them to win games against better teams (especially at home) as the season goes on.  I still see the Kings as a 30 win team, which as I've said I believe is better than the Mavs and Suns, as well as 3 or 4 teams in the East (Hawks, Bulls, and Knicks - maybe the Cavs, Hornets, Nets, and Magic depending on what they end up doing).

I hadn't really heard or read anything about Carlisle being burned out. This is news to me.
If we didn’t have Stevens I’d choose Carlisle over any other coach.  Maybe he doesn’t want to be rebuilding forever but I think he has tons of years as a coach to look forward to.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on October 30, 2018, 07:26:01 PM
The Kings are way better than I thought they'd be so far this year but the 4 wins are against teams with troubles- OKC, Memphis,Washington and Miami.... Still wins are wins.
sac will regress to the mean.

Yeah, they're this year's Orlando Magic. They're young and athletic and excited to be here. When the rest of the league gets in rhythm, they'll fall into the bottom 3 in the West, no question.
They weren't bottom 3 in the west last year.  No guarantee they end up in the bottom 3 this year.  I do think they will be the 3rd worst team in the west with only Dallas and Phoenix behind them, but it is certainly possible that another "Memphis" comes along this year that goes into full bore tanking as a result of injuries, under performance, etc.

You still are on Dallas being that bad? Aside from their opener they have looked pretty solid, including losing a battle last night in San Antonio that went to overtime. Doncic has also looked completely read for the NBA which was a question mark and they haven't had Harrison Barnes at full strength yet. Who, while overpaid, is certainly a starting quality player.
Doncic has definitely looked better than I thought he would thus far this year, but Dallas is 2-5 and that seems about right to me (I pegged them for 20-25 wins and that is the current pace).  They have no legit big men on the roster aside from Jordan (and frankly I think that might include Dirk at this point if he ever comes back).  Finney-Smith, Kleber, and Powell should all be deep bench players, yet all are very much rotation players on the Mavs.  Their roster construction problems I described have definitely been born out thus far, as they have like 5 competent players, only 1 of which is a PF or C - Doncic, Smith, Matthews, Jordan, and Barnes.  They might have the worst bench in the league and that starting 5 isn't exactly the Warriors.  I also think Carlisle is worn out and should retire as I just don't think he has the heart for a rebuild and the Mavs are most definitely rebuilding.

I think the Kings with all of their depth and youth are going to run and run a lot.  I believe they have the fastest pace in the league right now, and I think they continue to play at that speed.  I think that pace is going to allow them to win games against better teams (especially at home) as the season goes on.  I still see the Kings as a 30 win team, which as I've said I believe is better than the Mavs and Suns, as well as 3 or 4 teams in the East (Hawks, Bulls, and Knicks - maybe the Cavs, Hornets, Nets, and Magic depending on what they end up doing).

I hadn't really heard or read anything about Carlisle being burned out. This is news to me.
If we didn’t have Stevens I’d choose Carlisle over any other coach.  Maybe he doesn’t want to be rebuilding forever but I think he has tons of years as a coach to look forward to.

He is also 59, which isn't incredibly older by coaching standards. Would seem early to retire unless there are some health issues or something else i missed with him.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Emmette Bryant on October 30, 2018, 09:28:22 PM
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/10/30/18043760/sacramento-kings-hot-start-deaaron-fox-willie-cauley-stein
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on October 30, 2018, 09:36:44 PM
5-3. Fairly easy win at Orlando.  And man I'm glad Bjelica spurned the Sixers as he has been quite good this year
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: AshyLarry on October 30, 2018, 10:08:02 PM
I've always liked and routed for the Kings because of their long history (plus the Webber poster I had as a kid). It sucks that I want them to lose when they have a surprisingly and relatively exciting young team having a nice go of it.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on October 30, 2018, 11:16:24 PM
I've always liked and routed for the Kings because of their long history (plus the Webber poster I had as a kid). It sucks that I want them to lose when they have a surprisingly and relatively exciting young team having a nice go of it.

I would like them otherwise myself also
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JSD on October 30, 2018, 11:56:04 PM
Should we change this to 76ers pick watch?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on October 31, 2018, 01:04:12 AM
Whoa whoa whoa Sacramento's been balling lately. Better record than the LeBron-led Lakers or Westbrook-led Thunder.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on October 31, 2018, 01:04:24 AM
Should we change this to 76ers pick watch?

Great idea imo!!  ;D
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 31, 2018, 01:06:38 AM
Whoa whoa whoa Sacramento's been balling lately. Better record than the LeBron-led Lakers or Westbrook-led Thunder.
Lakers and thunder have played horrible lol
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: konkmv on October 31, 2018, 01:44:37 AM
They are a lottery team in the west.. it will be a top ten pick.. teama luke thunder lakers rockets and clippers will have a better record
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on November 01, 2018, 08:06:08 AM
I must say I am surprised by their early play winning 4 out of their last 5 games.  It could be just smoke and mirrors.  I mean Cauly Stein is averaging 17 a game, and a journeyman 30 year old SF is averaging 15.  I do like their backcourt of Hield and Fox, but Fox is only 20. I thought Bagley would be an empty stats player but he must be doing something positive.  Beyond that the rest of the roster seems blah, and very light on wings.

After tonight’s game against the Hawks they could be 6 and 3! 

Then even though only 3 out of their next 13 games are on the road it still looks like a tough schedule.

At Mil
Tor
Min
LAL
SA
At Mem
At Hou
OKC
At Utah
GS
Utah
LAC
IND

I think we will have a better idea about them after that stretch.  Then they have some other bad teams mixed in their schedule.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on November 01, 2018, 08:48:33 AM
I must say I am surprised by their early play winning 4 out of their last 5 games.  It could be just smoke and mirrors.  I mean Cauly Stein is averaging 17 a game, and a journeyman 30 year old SF is averaging 15.  I do like their backcourt of Hield and Fox, but Fox is only 20. I thought Bagley would be an empty stats player but he must be doing something positive.  Beyond that the rest of the roster seems blah, and very light on wings.

After tonight’s game against the Hawks they could be 6 and 3! 

Then even though only 3 out of their next 13 games are on the road it still looks like a tough schedule.

At Mil
Tor
Min
LAL
SA
At Mem
At Hou
OKC
At Utah
GS
Utah
LAC
IND

I think we will have a better idea about them after that stretch.  Then they have some other bad teams mixed in their schedule.
20 games is almost always a good idea of what a team actually is, and that is about 20 games, so I'd agree we should have a much better idea about them by then.  That said, given the softness of their schedule thus far, I'm not surprised where they are at as I've always thought they would be a bad, but not terrible, team with a lot of guard and big man depth, and a real need on the wing (though Shumpert has actually been quite good for them and Jackson has looked decent as well). 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Emmette Bryant on November 01, 2018, 10:13:57 AM
https://deadspin.com/the-sacramento-kings-are-uh-fine-maybe-1830133663
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 01, 2018, 01:47:33 PM
Good news is last year's WC #8 seed won 47 games. Game #82 was a tiebreaker between Minny (47-35) and Denver (46-36). Kings last made the playoffs in 2006, and their original worst  first-round pick after 2006 is #12 (2008 Jason Thompson). https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAC/draft.html

SAC@ATL 7:30 PM EST


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Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on November 01, 2018, 01:58:43 PM
I will be more scared if they keep it up for 15 more games. I have seen this before.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 01, 2018, 02:03:02 PM
I will be more scared if they keep it up for 15 more games. I have seen this before.

Same.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on November 01, 2018, 10:14:10 PM
Destroyed the Hawks. Now the real test begins.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: footey on November 01, 2018, 10:16:43 PM
Wow. I did not see this coming. Wish they could wait another year before jelling.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on November 02, 2018, 12:55:33 AM
OK, that's IT. That is their last win for 10 games.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on November 02, 2018, 02:45:37 AM
I still think they are one of the worst teams in the west. Cleveland and Atlanta are truly terrible. I don’t think Phoenix is as bad as they’ve started. Washington and Houston will pick it up. I think Kings will be in the Knicks and Mavs group.

It’s way too early. Remember the Nets started 4-5 in 2016, then went on to lose 57 of their final 73 games. Winning in OKC is impressive enough, but this five game winning streak hasn’t exactly been against quality teams. 11 of their next 12 games are against playoff caliber teams, and the one that isn’t is on the road. Would it surprise anyone if they went 3-9 the rest of November?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on November 02, 2018, 11:33:49 AM
I think that Sac is overplaying their talent level and we are only 10% of the way through the season, so I'm not too worried, but I do find it humorous that, if the draft were held now, we'd be getting Philly's pick, not the Kings'.

Mike
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on November 02, 2018, 01:42:55 PM
I'll point, again, to last year's Orlando Magic. Another young, athletic team with low expectations who came out of the gates hot and then fell off the map when the rest of the league settled in. Orlando started the season 6-2 and was 8-4 before losing 9 in a row. They finished 25-57.

Sacramento has been fun and I actually really enjoy watching them play but there absolute best case scenario is still 11th in the West.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on November 02, 2018, 10:50:13 PM
Odd you choose 11th.  Just seems like a weird place to draw that line.  Aside from Dallas and Phoenix, what 2 other teams do you think they could, in their best case, finish ahead of.  Timberwolves? Clippers? Grizzlies? Lakers?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on November 03, 2018, 01:52:40 PM
Odd you choose 11th.  Just seems like a weird place to draw that line.  Aside from Dallas and Phoenix, what 2 other teams do you think they could, in their best case, finish ahead of.  Timberwolves? Clippers? Grizzlies? Lakers?

The Clippers and Grizzlies feel like wild cards to me. I expect both to finish ahead of the Kings but I wouldn't be shocked if their seasons went sideways.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 04, 2018, 01:23:57 PM
Today: SAC (6-3) @ MIL (7-1) 3:30 PM EST

Wednesday: TOR (8-1) @ SAC 10 PM EST



Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on November 04, 2018, 04:26:18 PM
Today: SAC (6-3) @ MIL (7-1) 3:30 PM EST

Wednesday: TOR (8-1) @ SAC 10 PM EST
Hopefully should bring them closer to .500
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 04, 2018, 05:20:22 PM
Kings getting blown out

Bjelica exposed on defense more often this game IMO hopefully that continues with other opponents
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 04, 2018, 06:34:18 PM
Milwaukee won 144-109, snapping Sacramento's five-game winning streak!  :D
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 08, 2018, 12:42:04 AM
Kings lost to Toronto. Bjelica didn’t score after 4 pts last game.

6-5 now...

MIN@SAC Friday
LAL@SAC Saturday




Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on November 08, 2018, 12:46:53 AM
d rose back at it again 7/8 3 pointers
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on November 08, 2018, 05:27:16 AM
Bagley killing it.

That looks like a 35-win team.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: moiso on November 08, 2018, 05:57:13 AM
Fox has really improved and as of now has left Fultz, Ball, and Jackson in the dust.  He's going to be a stud.  Stein has really raised his level of play and I don't think he'll become bored and regress very much in a contract year.  Hield seems to get at least 20pts in every game and he's hitting like 46% from 3.  Bagley shows potential.  I kind of like this team.  I just wish they waited another year before they started to put it together.  Hopefully something happens and their season gets derailed.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on November 08, 2018, 06:13:51 AM
I want one of those Duke kids so someone better remind them they are the Kings.

Would be nice to see them at 10-20 in a month around Christmas-time.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on November 08, 2018, 08:46:53 AM
Even after the last 2 losses the Kings are still shockingly in playoff position in the west at 6-5.  That shouldn't hold as they could pretty easily lose their next 11 before going to Phoenix on December 4th (I think they win at least a couple, but losing all 11 isn't out of the realm of possibility either). 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Birdman on November 08, 2018, 09:54:29 AM
SMost surprise team so far but i dont think it will last
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on November 09, 2018, 03:15:07 AM
Zion Williamson is a beast. Really hope the Kings suck just enough for us to grant us that type of player.

Imagine the 76ers would have traded Jayson Tatum and Zion Williamson for Markelle Fultz.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on November 09, 2018, 03:40:42 AM
Zion Williamson is a beast. Really hope the Kings suck just enough for us to grant us that type of player.

Imagine the 76ers would have traded Jayson Tatum and Zion Williamson for Markelle Fultz.

I really don’t see how he doesn’t go #1.

The guy is too freaky an athlete of that size, a generational-type. Transcendent, as they like to say. We aren’t talking Westbrook-type athleticism, not even Giannis. I don’t even think Barkley (much shorter) was as powerful. LeBron is the only guy I’ve seen at that age that was so pbisically imposing.

That absolutely ridiculous block, then ran the ball on a fastbreak and delivered a perfect bounce-pass through defenders for an easy bucket was one of the best sequences I have ever seen in college basketball. By a freshman in his first game.

I don’t love his shot, but with his gifts, you have such a template to mold him.

I know their are other great players (his teammates), but whoever doesn’t take Zion is nuts. His ceiling is just too high compared to Barrett, imo. If he puts it ALL together.... wow.

That said. I’ll be happy with Barrett or Reddish to replace Brown (when we trade him for AD).
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Surferdad on November 09, 2018, 07:51:46 AM
Zion Williamson is a beast. Really hope the Kings suck just enough for us to grant us that type of player.

Imagine the 76ers would have traded Jayson Tatum and Zion Williamson for Markelle Fultz.

I really don’t see how he doesn’t go #1.

The guy is too freaky an athlete of that size, a generational-type. Transcendent, as they like to say. We aren’t talking Westbrook-type athleticism, not even Giannis. I don’t even think Barkley (much shorter) was as powerful. LeBron is the only guy I’ve seen at that age that was so pbisically imposing.

That absolutely ridiculous block, then ran the ball on a fastbreak and delivered a perfect bounce-pass through defenders for an easy bucket was one of the best sequences I have ever seen in college basketball. By a freshman in his first game.

I don’t love his shot, but with his gifts, you have such a template to mold him.

I know their are other great players (his teammates), but whoever doesn’t take Zion is nuts. His ceiling is just too high compared to Barrett, imo. If he puts it ALL together.... wow.

That said. I’ll be happy with Barrett or Reddish to replace Brown Tatum (when we trade him for AD).
FITY
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on November 10, 2018, 12:30:36 AM
[dang] sac about to get another win vs minny
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 10, 2018, 12:32:08 AM
[dang] sac about to get another win vs minny

Yep.

0-5 for Minny on their road trip, now 4-9 lol

Kings 7-5, will play LeBron’s team tomorrow

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 10, 2018, 12:35:45 AM
SMost surprise team so far but i dont think it will last

At least 8 teams are a tier better than they are in WC imo, final standings should reflect that

Houston SA GSW Portland New Orleans Denver Utah Lakers OKC
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 10, 2018, 03:13:46 AM
SMost surprise team so far but i dont think it will last

At least 8 teams are a tier better than they are in WC imo, final standings should reflect that

Houston SA GSW Portland New Orleans Denver Utah Lakers OKC
Lakers not so sure about.  The 8 best teams don't always get the 8 playoff spots.  Davis misses 15+ games NO is out. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 10, 2018, 06:01:52 AM
Labissiere and Harry Giles continuing to rack up those DNP-CDs... Justin Jackson starting to fall out of the rotation finally...he has been horrible.

538 updates after each game and currently gives SAC a 1% chance of making the playoffs. As expected, they only list PHO and DAL with lower WC playoff odds.

Even MEM (14%) and LAC (24%) are listed higher. ;D


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on November 10, 2018, 06:19:24 AM
Labissiere and Harry Giles continuing to rack up those DNP-CDs... Justin Jackson starting to fall out of the rotation finally...he has been horrible.

538 updates after each game and currently gives SAC a 1% chance of making the playoffs. As expected, they only list PHO and DAL with lower playoff odds.

Even MEM (14%) and LAC (24%) are listed higher. ;D
Skal went from a pretty meaningful part of their rotation last season to averaging just over 5mpg. Only above Ben McLemore, another young player they arguably ruined
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on November 10, 2018, 07:44:16 AM
Labissiere and Harry Giles continuing to rack up those DNP-CDs... Justin Jackson starting to fall out of the rotation finally...he has been horrible.

538 updates after each game and currently gives SAC a 1% chance of making the playoffs. As expected, they only list PHO and DAL with lower playoff odds.

Even MEM (14%) and LAC (24%) are listed higher. ;D
Skal went from a pretty meaningful part of their rotation last season to averaging just over 5mpg. Only above Ben McLemore, another young player they arguably ruined
Kentucky ruined Skal and McLemore just isn't any good.  Those guys aren't in the rotation because they just aren't very good.  Giles may get there someday if he can stay healthy, but health is always going to follow him around. 

The Kings are a young fun team that is very well coached.  They won't make the playoffs, but they aren't going to be a terrible team (like the Suns, Hawks, etc.) either, which is what I've been predicting all summer. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on November 10, 2018, 07:52:38 AM
Labissiere and Harry Giles continuing to rack up those DNP-CDs... Justin Jackson starting to fall out of the rotation finally...he has been horrible.

538 updates after each game and currently gives SAC a 1% chance of making the playoffs. As expected, they only list PHO and DAL with lower playoff odds.

Even MEM (14%) and LAC (24%) are listed higher. ;D
Skal went from a pretty meaningful part of their rotation last season to averaging just over 5mpg. Only above Ben McLemore, another young player they arguably ruined
Kentucky ruined Skal and McLemore just isn't any good.  Those guys aren't in the rotation because they just aren't very good.  Giles may get there someday if he can stay healthy, but health is always going to follow him around. 

The Kings are a young fun team that is very well coached.  They won't make the playoffs, but they aren't going to be a terrible team (like the Suns, Hawks, etc.) either, which is what I've been predicting all summer.
Oh yeah, Skal's career has just been a mess. He was a top prospect in HS, and now look at him. McLemore was never good, but he was still an athletic 21 year old who put up 12/3/2, and was a good college player. That his best year was his second is quite [dang]ing.

They've definitely turned it around now. No longer are they the perennial joke of the league
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on November 10, 2018, 10:24:19 AM
Labissiere and Harry Giles continuing to rack up those DNP-CDs... Justin Jackson starting to fall out of the rotation finally...he has been horrible.

538 updates after each game and currently gives SAC a 1% chance of making the playoffs. As expected, they only list PHO and DAL with lower playoff odds.

Even MEM (14%) and LAC (24%) are listed higher. ;D
Skal went from a pretty meaningful part of their rotation last season to averaging just over 5mpg. Only above Ben McLemore, another young player they arguably ruined
Kentucky ruined Skal and McLemore just isn't any good.  Those guys aren't in the rotation because they just aren't very good.  Giles may get there someday if he can stay healthy, but health is always going to follow him around. 

The Kings are a young fun team that is very well coached.  They won't make the playoffs, but they aren't going to be a terrible team (like the Suns, Hawks, etc.) either, which is what I've been predicting all summer.
Oh yeah, Skal's career has just been a mess. He was a top prospect in HS, and now look at him. McLemore was never good, but he was still an athletic 21 year old who put up 12/3/2, and was a good college player. That his best year was his second is quite [dang]ing.

They've definitely turned it around now. No longer are they the perennial joke of the league
12/3/2 in over 32 mpg isn't that good.  You could certainly reasonably argue that from a per minute standpoint that wasn't his best season (his 4th season for example was his best points per 36 season).  He just isn't very good.  If you want to fault the Kings anywhere with McLemore, it should be with taking him 7th when 7 of the next 9 players drafted have all been better, and many of them significantly better. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 10, 2018, 01:09:01 PM
Minny at least got two quality rotation players back in the butler trade. Thibs staying competitive, could be worse... not bad news for the Sac slot

fun fact: Minnesota is 0-8 on the road this season

Tonight, go Lakers!  :P :-X
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 11, 2018, 12:22:35 AM
Lakers win!  101-86! :D  :-X :o :laugh:
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: konkmv on November 11, 2018, 01:05:57 AM
The kings will start loosing... we will get a top 10 pick nut there are worse teams
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsFanFromNYC on November 11, 2018, 01:56:11 AM
I was just on tankathon.com looking at the team's %  for chances at #1 pick. Team #1 (being the worse) is at 14% chance while team #4 is at 13.2. team # 7 is at 9%. The Kings pick and race for Zion will get interesting!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on November 11, 2018, 07:56:54 AM
I was just on tankathon.com looking at the team's %  for chances at #1 pick. Team #1 (being the worse) is at 14% chance while team #4 is at 13.2. team # 7 is at 9%. The Kings pick and race for Zion will get interesting!

If the Kings fall back to the bottom 7 we’ll have at least a 37.2% chance of a top 4 pick.  That’s all I’m hoping for. Lol

From there it might be easier to trade up by including the Grizzlies pick and maybe something like Rozier.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Birdman on November 11, 2018, 08:58:29 AM
Still think they be bottom 5 after season..Cavs, Hawks, Suns top 3 worst
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 11, 2018, 09:16:28 AM
I was just on tankathon.com looking at the team's %  for chances at #1 pick. Team #1 (being the worse) is at 14% chance while team #4 is at 13.2. team # 7 is at 9%. The Kings pick and race for Zion will get interesting!

If the Kings fall back to the bottom 7 we’ll have at least a 37.2% chance of a top 4 pick.  That’s all I’m hoping for. Lol

From there it might be easier to trade up by including the Grizzlies pick and maybe something like Rozier.
If the Kings finish 7th worst, there's only a 24.4% chance we get a top 2-4 pick.  There is a 7.5% chance at the top pick but that would go to the Sixers. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on November 11, 2018, 09:22:41 AM
Still think they be bottom 5 after season..Cavs, Hawks, Suns top 3 worst
That seems like a reasonable bottom 3, but I think it is far from a given that the Kings end up in the bottom 5 as Dallas, Chicago, New York, and Orlando are all going to be bad teams and who knows what a team like Charlotte ends up doing (like if they throw in the towel on Walker and move him). 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on November 11, 2018, 11:38:09 PM
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Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: mr. dee on November 11, 2018, 11:49:59 PM
We aren't much better than the Kings right now.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 12, 2018, 01:39:48 AM
Kings currently the 9th seed. They are tied with LAL for 8th, but LAL has the H2H.

Go Spurs tonight!  :D
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on November 12, 2018, 01:46:23 AM
Still think they be bottom 5 after season..Cavs, Hawks, Suns top 3 worst
That seems like a reasonable bottom 3, but I think it is far from a given that the Kings end up in the bottom 5 as Dallas, Chicago, New York, and Orlando are all going to be bad teams and who knows what a team like Charlotte ends up doing (like if they throw in the towel on Walker and move him).

I think Charlotte makes the playoffs. I also think kemba wants to stay there. I am more worried with whatever the wizards are doing
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: konkmv on November 12, 2018, 02:36:28 AM
i remember last season reading all kind of stuff about our team and the lakers... it is way too early... we are quite talented and brad will find the way... and the kings are a thin team without bench and no experience with at least 12 better teams in the west... we will get a top 8 pick...
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on November 12, 2018, 03:56:19 PM
i remember last season reading all kind of stuff about our team and the lakers... it is way too early... we are quite talented and brad will find the way... and the kings are a thin team without bench and no experience with at least 12 better teams in the west... we will get a top 8 pick...

I still believe this, but am annoyed they have banked these wins cause they will matter just the same at the end of the season.

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 13, 2018, 12:30:33 AM
Kings (8-6) win 104-99.  >:(

The San Antonio Celtics failed to come through... oh well, next game Fri!  :P
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on November 13, 2018, 01:17:18 AM
Yea I might have to take a break from following this
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 13, 2018, 01:25:50 AM
Yea I might have to take a break from following this

Same, I’m gonna stop posting in this thread until January.  :P
Feels a bit like Lakers watch, took a long break during their winning streaks last season too.  :D
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on November 13, 2018, 09:06:51 AM
i remember last season reading all kind of stuff about our team and the lakers... it is way too early... we are quite talented and brad will find the way... and the kings are a thin team without bench and no experience with at least 12 better teams in the west... we will get a top 8 pick...
The Kings aren't that thin.  In fact, their depth is actually the strongest part of their team.  It is what allows to play at such a high tempo and pace.  I mean they only recently got Bogdanovic back.  They've barely played Koufos, Labissiere, and McLemore (who aren't great but are at least credible NBA rotation level players).
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 16, 2018, 11:21:43 PM
Pels won
Wolves won
Kings lost
Grizz won

If bulls could turn around and beat the bucks, it’ll be great night for pick. Already a decent night
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: BringToughnessBack on November 17, 2018, 12:10:40 PM
Back in lottery and still over 500..2.4 percent at top 4...there is at least a chance now 😁
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on November 17, 2018, 01:57:03 PM
They have certainly looked better than I would have guessed. However, can anyone see them finishing above

Jazz
Denver
Golden State
Thunder
Rockets
Portland
Lakers
Pelicans
Spurs

That seems pretty hard to imagine. Memphis and the Clippers have looked very good as well.

The only teams that could potentially be in play would be Minnesota, Dallas.

Needless to say Suns will probably finish last. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: konkmv on November 17, 2018, 02:00:17 PM
Lets hope clippers are  better than the pelicans
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on November 18, 2018, 07:22:52 AM
Ah the Kings and dysfunction.  Can't have one without the other.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251673/Kings-Front-Office-Frustrated-By-How-Dave-Joerger-Has-Handled-Young-Players

So the Kings look like a respectable team for the first time in years and they may remove the coach because he isn't playing the young guys enough, yet it is successful.  I totally get removing a coach that isn't playing young guys and isn't winning (like Lue), but Joerger is actually winning.  It just doesn't make any sense, but I guess that is the perfect tag line for the Kings.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 18, 2018, 01:37:21 PM
Ah the Kings and dysfunction.  Can't have one without the other.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251673/Kings-Front-Office-Frustrated-By-How-Dave-Joerger-Has-Handled-Young-Players

So the Kings look like a respectable team for the first time in years and they may remove the coach because he isn't playing the young guys enough, yet it is successful.  I totally get removing a coach that isn't playing young guys and isn't winning (like Lue), but Joerger is actually winning.  It just doesn't make any sense, but I guess that is the perfect tag line for the Kings.
lol love it
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: knuckleballer on November 18, 2018, 03:42:48 PM
Ah the Kings and dysfunction.  Can't have one without the other.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251673/Kings-Front-Office-Frustrated-By-How-Dave-Joerger-Has-Handled-Young-Players

So the Kings look like a respectable team for the first time in years and they may remove the coach because he isn't playing the young guys enough, yet it is successful.  I totally get removing a coach that isn't playing young guys and isn't winning (like Lue), but Joerger is actually winning.  It just doesn't make any sense, but I guess that is the perfect tag line for the Kings.

I would normally assume this is untrue, but you never know with Vivek.  That would be great if they change coaches for a youth movement.  They're winning too much right now.  Hopefully, a new coach would implement Vivek's 4 man defense.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Boris Badenov on November 18, 2018, 04:13:33 PM
Ah the Kings and dysfunction.  Can't have one without the other.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251673/Kings-Front-Office-Frustrated-By-How-Dave-Joerger-Has-Handled-Young-Players

So the Kings look like a respectable team for the first time in years and they may remove the coach because he isn't playing the young guys enough, yet it is successful.  I totally get removing a coach that isn't playing young guys and isn't winning (like Lue), but Joerger is actually winning.  It just doesn't make any sense, but I guess that is the perfect tag line for the Kings.

Right on the heels of this Ringer breakdown:

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/11/6/18066284/sacramento-kings-start-marvin-bagley

I mean, Joerger's system has the Kings in a good place, and people in Sac are more excited about the Kings than since the early 2000s, probably.

And Bagley's playing good ball, not great, and getting 22 mpg. Why all the dissatisfaction? It's not like he's tearing it up but only getting garbage time.

Typical Kings nonsense. They will never have any real success until Vivek goes away. I find it hard to believe Vlade is the one who's unhappy, if only because Vlade has never been unhappy about anything in his life.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: nickagneta on November 18, 2018, 05:31:28 PM
Not sure what young guys the owners want playing more. Giles?Labissiere? Frank Mason? Yogi Farrell?

They are already play WCS, Fox, Hield, Jackson and Bagley and are winning.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Roy H. on November 18, 2018, 06:18:32 PM
Not sure what young guys the owners want playing more. Giles?Labissiere? Frank Mason? Yogi Farrell?

They are already play WCS, Fox, Hield, Jackson and Bagley and are winning.

It’s Sacramento, nick. You’re applying logic to a raging dumpster fire full of toxic waste. They ran their last good coach (Mike Malone) out of town, too. They’ve got the worst front office in sports. I fully expect them to sabotage their team.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 18, 2018, 06:25:51 PM
Not sure what young guys the owners want playing more. Giles?Labissiere? Frank Mason? Yogi Farrell?

They are already play WCS, Fox, Hield, Jackson and Bagley and are winning.

It’s Sacramento, nick. You’re apply logic to a raging dumpster fire full of toxic waste. They ran their last good coach (Mike Malone) out of town, too. They’ve got the worst front office in sports. I fully expect them to sabotage their team.

This is why I still expect this Kings pick to be great. No, they probably won't finish bottom-3 in the league (though that may be a bit of a good thing since if it's #1, it actually goes PHI), but still could be a great pick in the Top-5 or 6. Zion is the star (he'll go #1 probably to CLE) but I see a lot of other potential freakish athletes (even other unicorns of sorts) that could emerge out of this Draft.

Right now I think SAC is the 11 seed in the West but are just a few games out of being 2nd to last in the West and like 6th/7th worst in the league.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on November 18, 2018, 08:28:27 PM
Not sure what young guys the owners want playing more. Giles?Labissiere? Frank Mason? Yogi Farrell?

They are already play WCS, Fox, Hield, Jackson and Bagley and are winning.

It’s Sacramento, nick. You’re applying logic to a raging dumpster fire full of toxic waste. They ran their last good coach (Mike Malone) out of town, too. They’ve got the worst front office in sports. I fully expect them to sabotage their team.

If this iteration of the team (Fox, Hield, Cauley-Stein, Bagley) never materializes into a playoff team can we finally just move them to Seattle and bring back the Sonics?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 18, 2018, 09:06:50 PM
Just to keep everyone updated, were the draft to occur today, Boston's collection of picks would be:

#11, Sacramento (three way tie with San Antonio and Utah)
#19, Boston's own (tie with New Orleans)
#24, Memphis
#25, Clippers (three way tie with Oklahoma and Portland)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: byennie on November 18, 2018, 09:18:00 PM
The flatter draft lottery is working in our favor here. #1 only has 2x the chance vs #8 at getting a top-4 pick and there is barely any difference in the bottom 5:

http://www.tankathon.com/
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 18, 2018, 09:49:29 PM
The flatter draft lottery is working in our favor here. #1 only has 2x the chance vs #8 at getting a top-4 pick and there is barely any difference in the bottom 5:

http://www.tankathon.com/
Remember that if it ends up #1 it stays with the Sixers.  So if the Kings finish in the bottom 3, we'd have a 38.1% chance of getting #2 through #4.  If the Kings finish 8th worst, we'd only have 18.2% chance of it finishing #2 through #4. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 18, 2018, 10:53:59 PM
Just to keep everyone updated, were the draft to occur today, Boston's collection of picks would be:

#11, Sacramento (three way tie with San Antonio and Utah)
#19, Boston's own (tie with New Orleans)
#24, Memphis
#25, Clippers (three way tie with Oklahoma and Portland)
the kings really need to start losing. I know eventually they will
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on November 19, 2018, 03:59:49 AM
The flatter draft lottery is working in our favor here. #1 only has 2x the chance vs #8 at getting a top-4 pick and there is barely any difference in the bottom 5:

http://www.tankathon.com/
Remember that if it ends up #1 it stays with the Sixers.  So if the Kings finish in the bottom 3, we'd have a 38.1% chance of getting #2 through #4.  If the Kings finish 8th worst, we'd only have 18.2% chance of it finishing #2 through #4.

I would be content ending up in the 6 to 8 range.  If Danny wanted to move up to say the top 3 or 4 Danny just might have the assets to pull it off.   It looks like so far it’s going to be really hard to break into that bottom 5.  I’m hoping the Grizzlies come back to earth somewhere in the lottery as another good asset to use.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: willyd24 on November 20, 2018, 12:34:26 AM
Kings win again tonight over the Thunder 117-113. It’s honestly getting really frustrating watching these guys win games that they have no business winning. Just leave it to the Thunder to win 5 games without Russell Westbrook and then lose to the Kings when he comes back and plays. To be fair the Kings deserve a lot of credit for playing tough basketball each and every night it seems like every time it looks like they are going to go on a losing streak they get a much needed win. Can’t believe that after years of dysfunction they finally put it together when we get there pick. I’m still hoping the pick ends up in the Top 10 since I only see about 10 or so elite prospects but we shall see because these guys are better than I thought.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on November 20, 2018, 05:51:18 AM
Moranis called it. This is as bad as following the Lakers for the first half of last year, or worse.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on November 20, 2018, 06:17:40 AM
Moranis called it. This is as bad as following the Lakers for the first half of last year, or worse.
Thanks.  I just saw a young talented team that plays hard and is well coached.  That plus their incredible home court advantage and it appeared to me that they were going to be bad but not horrible.  Thus, my 30 win projection.  They look like they may end up better than that and more like an average then bad team.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on November 22, 2018, 07:23:03 AM
win at Utah up to 10-8.  I might have underestimated them.  They really do like a decent team.  I clearly underestimated the Mavs as well, as they have been decent as well. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: RodyTur10 on November 22, 2018, 05:20:19 PM
win at Utah up to 10-8.  I might have underestimated them.  They really do like a decent team.  I clearly underestimated the Mavs as well, as they have been decent as well.

Maybe the whole west conference is underestimated. I believe aside from the Suns that any team in the West would easily make the playoffs if they played in the East. Look at the Timberwolves. They almost surely are going to miss the playoffs, but in the East a player like Towns alone would pretty much guarantee you a spot in the post season.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on November 24, 2018, 08:17:41 AM
currently the 8th seed and only 2 games from the 1 seed and 2.5 games from the 2nd worst team in the conference.  West is super deep this year.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 24, 2018, 11:56:46 AM
This will not be a Top-3 pick (though that's sort of a good thing I guess since it minimizes the risk that it lands #1 for PHI). I think in some order, ATL/CLE/PHO will lock up the Top-3 of the Draft.

I think there's still a chance this lands around 5-6. It depends on if you think teams like MIN, UTAH, HOU, SAS, etc. will remain below the Kings for the rest of the year (honestly doubt it), and then really it's probably that mix of SAC/CHI/NYK/DAL/WAS that's just a notch above the three I mentioned before (ATL/CLE/PHO), but could still be in the mix of getting a Top-6 pick in the draft.

The West is definitely interesting though because like @moranis mentioned, the 10th seed is just 2.5 back of the 1st seed LOL. I expect by January-February this starts to even out again but for now it certainly makes things look funny. I mean, the Clippers and Grizzlies tied for #1 in the West at 12-6? Did anyone see that coming a good month into the season?!?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on November 25, 2018, 12:57:28 PM
At the quarter mark of the season for as well as the Kings are playing all but 5 teams are at least within 3 wins of them.  2 of those 5 teams Knicks with 6 wins (Porzingas), and Bulls 5 wins (Markenson, Dunn, and Portis) will be getting reinforcements at some point in a weaker conference.  If this is still at least the case going into the last quarter of the season anything can happen.

Much of their good start is led by Fox who I like as a player, but is only 20 years old.  I wonder if he can keep up this great start for the rest of the season. 

I’m still hoping for at least the 6 to 10 range in draft, and with our multiple good assets maybe a chance to move up or still a very valuable asset to use in a trade for a star.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 27, 2018, 05:00:16 PM
Glad the kings have started to come back to reality and lose
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on November 29, 2018, 09:00:39 AM
Glad the kings have started to come back to reality and lose
Next 6 games for them will be very interesting.  Home games against the Clippers and Pacers and then 4 straight road games, but those games are at Phoenix, Cleveland, Indiana, and Chicago.  So that should provide a pretty decent look at what the Kings are as they could go like 5-1 or 0-6 or anywhere in between. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gift on November 29, 2018, 09:42:19 AM
I'm still quite optimistic about both the Sacramento pick and the Memphis pick.

I guess the Clippers pick is looking pretty decent right now, but that's obviously got a lower ceiling on its value to begin with. But that one is certainly trending away from "worse case scenario".
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: nickagneta on November 29, 2018, 12:54:38 PM
I think the thing I find encouraging about the Sactown pick is that the Kings are a real bad defensive team giving up the third most points per game in the league.  That is eventually going to catch up to them, especially once they come to earth with their three point shooting. Bjelica, Hield, Shumpert, Williams and McClemore are just not going to continue to put down threes at the percentage they are now. The Kings will crash eventually.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on November 29, 2018, 01:13:08 PM
I think the thing I find encouraging about the Sactown pick is that the Kings are a real bad defensive team giving up the third most points per game in the league.  That is eventually going to catch up to them, especially once they come to earth with their three point shooting. Bjelica, Hield, Shumpert, Williams and McClemore are just not going to continue to put down threes at the percentage they are now. The Kings will crash eventually.

Hield might, but Bjelica, Shumpert, and McClemore are bound to come down to earth, even with the open looks they are getting.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on November 30, 2018, 06:13:35 AM
I think the thing I find encouraging about the Sactown pick is that the Kings are a real bad defensive team giving up the third most points per game in the league.  That is eventually going to catch up to them, especially once they come to earth with their three point shooting. Bjelica, Hield, Shumpert, Williams and McClemore are just not going to continue to put down threes at the percentage they are now. The Kings will crash eventually.

Hield might, but Bjelica, Shumpert, and McClemore are bound to come down to earth, even with the open looks they are getting.
McLemore barely plays and while some of those guys will go back down, they also have a number of players shooting below their normal (or expected) outside shooting percentages like Bogdanovic, Ferrell, Mason, etc.  It probably evens out in the end. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on November 30, 2018, 07:05:30 AM
I think the thing I find encouraging about the Sactown pick is that the Kings are a real bad defensive team giving up the third most points per game in the league.  That is eventually going to catch up to them, especially once they come to earth with their three point shooting. Bjelica, Hield, Shumpert, Williams and McClemore are just not going to continue to put down threes at the percentage they are now. The Kings will crash eventually.
Clearly evidenced by last night's 133-121 loss to the LAC. The one player they had that could continue his 3-pt % went 0-7.
They're going to drop like a stone the second half of the season but man, there are so many bad teams in the East that at least 3-4 of them will have a worse record than Sacto. Only Phoenix looks like they'll finish higher in the lotto in the West. Trades and buy-out can and will have effect on the final records. I'm feeling optimistic, even before they start their tour of winnable games.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 30, 2018, 07:09:27 AM
I think the thing I find encouraging about the Sactown pick is that the Kings are a real bad defensive team giving up the third most points per game in the league.  That is eventually going to catch up to them, especially once they come to earth with their three point shooting. Bjelica, Hield, Shumpert, Williams and McClemore are just not going to continue to put down threes at the percentage they are now. The Kings will crash eventually.
Looks like they are around 23rd in defense but they are the 2nd fastest pace team which is going to hurt your defense a bit. It also looks like they have played one of the tougher schedules so far.  I think they are going to be able to rack up wins against low-end teams, especially when they start to tank, of which there are plenty.

The Kings are potentially a very good trading partner for teams looking to dump salary (e.g. Wizards).  Zbo, Koufas, Shumpert and McClemore are all on very tradeable 1 year deals.

Edit:  Of course, they are the Kings so there is a good chance they screw things up (e.g.  firing their good coach if he loses a few in a row).   
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: wiley on November 30, 2018, 07:15:23 AM
I think the thing I find encouraging about the Sactown pick is that the Kings are a real bad defensive team giving up the third most points per game in the league.  That is eventually going to catch up to them, especially once they come to earth with their three point shooting. Bjelica, Hield, Shumpert, Williams and McClemore are just not going to continue to put down threes at the percentage they are now. The Kings will crash eventually.
Looks like they are around 23rd in defense but they are the 2nd fastest pace team which is going to hurt your defense a bit. It also looks like they have played one of the tougher schedules so far.  I think they are going to be able to rack up wins against low-end teams, especially when they start to tank, of which there are plenty.

The Kings are potentially a very good trading partner for teams looking to dump salary (e.g. Wizards).  Zbo, Koufas, Shumpert and McClemore are all on very tradeable 1 year deals.

Edit:  Of course, they are the Kings so there is a good chance they screw things up (e.g.  firing their good coach if he loses a few in a row).   

I'm at peace with the pick being 6-10.  I wouldn't want to suffer through draft lottery night in which the Kings had the most pingpong balls, or anywhere close to the most.  This became my approach after seeing Zion play and picturing him in Philly.   

of course if it ends up at 2 that's the miracle.  I'm leaning Reddish for our Celtics team...better fit than Barrett, but if Barrett is clearly better Danny could take him or do a Philly style trade at top of the draft.  I think Reddish looks like one of those all time shooters...
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 30, 2018, 07:42:27 AM
I think the thing I find encouraging about the Sactown pick is that the Kings are a real bad defensive team giving up the third most points per game in the league.  That is eventually going to catch up to them, especially once they come to earth with their three point shooting. Bjelica, Hield, Shumpert, Williams and McClemore are just not going to continue to put down threes at the percentage they are now. The Kings will crash eventually.
Looks like they are around 23rd in defense but they are the 2nd fastest pace team which is going to hurt your defense a bit. It also looks like they have played one of the tougher schedules so far.  I think they are going to be able to rack up wins against low-end teams, especially when they start to tank, of which there are plenty.

The Kings are potentially a very good trading partner for teams looking to dump salary (e.g. Wizards).  Zbo, Koufas, Shumpert and McClemore are all on very tradeable 1 year deals.

Edit:  Of course, they are the Kings so there is a good chance they screw things up (e.g.  firing their good coach if he loses a few in a row).   

I'm at peace with the pick being 6-10.  I wouldn't want to suffer through draft lottery night in which the Kings had the most pingpong balls, or anywhere close to the most.  This became my approach after seeing Zion play and picturing him in Philly.   

of course if it ends up at 2 that's the miracle.  I'm leaning Reddish for our Celtics team...better fit than Barrett, but if Barrett is clearly better Danny could take him or do a Philly style trade at top of the draft.  I think Reddish looks like one of those all time shooters...
Reddish and Barrett aren't going to be available at 6-10.  Even if the Kings finish with the worst record, the Sixers would only have a 14% chance at #1.  We'd have an 86% chance at 2-5. 

For the Sixers, I'm not sure Zion is the right choice.  They need shooting.  Barrett and Reddish would be rather good fits for them. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: wiley on November 30, 2018, 07:50:46 AM
I think the thing I find encouraging about the Sactown pick is that the Kings are a real bad defensive team giving up the third most points per game in the league.  That is eventually going to catch up to them, especially once they come to earth with their three point shooting. Bjelica, Hield, Shumpert, Williams and McClemore are just not going to continue to put down threes at the percentage they are now. The Kings will crash eventually.
Looks like they are around 23rd in defense but they are the 2nd fastest pace team which is going to hurt your defense a bit. It also looks like they have played one of the tougher schedules so far.  I think they are going to be able to rack up wins against low-end teams, especially when they start to tank, of which there are plenty.

The Kings are potentially a very good trading partner for teams looking to dump salary (e.g. Wizards).  Zbo, Koufas, Shumpert and McClemore are all on very tradeable 1 year deals.

Edit:  Of course, they are the Kings so there is a good chance they screw things up (e.g.  firing their good coach if he loses a few in a row).   

I'm at peace with the pick being 6-10.  I wouldn't want to suffer through draft lottery night in which the Kings had the most pingpong balls, or anywhere close to the most.  This became my approach after seeing Zion play and picturing him in Philly.   

of course if it ends up at 2 that's the miracle.  I'm leaning Reddish for our Celtics team...better fit than Barrett, but if Barrett is clearly better Danny could take him or do a Philly style trade at top of the draft.  I think Reddish looks like one of those all time shooters...
Reddish and Barrett aren't going to be available at 6-10.  Even if the Kings finish with the worst record, the Sixers would only have a 14% chance at #1.  We'd have an 86% chance at 2-5. 

For the Sixers, I'm not sure Zion is the right choice.  They need shooting.  Barrett and Reddish would be rather good fits for them.

I know...was discussing a miracle leap to #2. 

I think Zion should be picked #1 regardless of any other factors.  His presence is haunting for the other team.  True he doesn't help their outside shooting, but he can pass and dribble and may end up a good shooter too...certainly looks like a much better shooter than Simmons.  They can find some little squirts to shoot from outside if they add Zion.  Let's not forget their current center is a good outside shooter. Glad to hear the odds are so slim for Philly snagging #1.  Not sure that would affect by lottery day anxiety..
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on November 30, 2018, 08:37:37 AM
I think the thing I find encouraging about the Sactown pick is that the Kings are a real bad defensive team giving up the third most points per game in the league.  That is eventually going to catch up to them, especially once they come to earth with their three point shooting. Bjelica, Hield, Shumpert, Williams and McClemore are just not going to continue to put down threes at the percentage they are now. The Kings will crash eventually.
Clearly evidenced by last night's 133-121 loss to the LAC. The one player they had that could continue his 3-pt % went 0-7.
They're going to drop like a stone the second half of the season but man, there are so many bad teams in the East that at least 3-4 of them will have a worse record than Sacto. Only Phoenix looks like they'll finish higher in the lotto in the West. Trades and buy-out can and will have effect on the final records. I'm feeling optimistic, even before they start their tour of winnable games.

What could help with so many bad teams in the east is they have to play each other more, therefore cancel each other out with some more wins.   In the west the only really bad team out there is the Suns, and I like some of their talent starting with Booker.  I think it’s going to be much tougher for the Kings to rack up wins as the season moves on.

Since their 6-3 start they went 4-8.   They have been leveling off lately.

The
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on November 30, 2018, 08:42:32 AM
I think the thing I find encouraging about the Sactown pick is that the Kings are a real bad defensive team giving up the third most points per game in the league.  That is eventually going to catch up to them, especially once they come to earth with their three point shooting. Bjelica, Hield, Shumpert, Williams and McClemore are just not going to continue to put down threes at the percentage they are now. The Kings will crash eventually.
Clearly evidenced by last night's 133-121 loss to the LAC. The one player they had that could continue his 3-pt % went 0-7.
They're going to drop like a stone the second half of the season but man, there are so many bad teams in the East that at least 3-4 of them will have a worse record than Sacto. Only Phoenix looks like they'll finish higher in the lotto in the West. Trades and buy-out can and will have effect on the final records. I'm feeling optimistic, even before they start their tour of winnable games.

What could help with so many bad teams in the east is they have to play each other more, therefore cancel each other out with some more wins.   In the west the only really bad team out there is the Suns, and I like some of their talent starting with Booker.  I think it’s going to be much tougher for the Kings to rack up wins as the season moves on.

Since their 6-3 start they went 4-8.   They have been leveling off lately.

The
4 of their next 5 are very winnable games.  That should provide a good gauge of the type of team they will be. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Emmette Bryant on November 30, 2018, 12:07:41 PM
ruh roh

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251764/Dave-Joerger-Asks-Brandon-Williams-To-Leave-Shootaround
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 30, 2018, 03:25:19 PM
Like I said before, ATL/CLE/PHO will all finish worse than the Kings, BUT then you have that mix of teams like CHI/NYK/SAC/DAL, etc. and so I still think there's a solid chance this is a Top-5 pick, also when you factor in changes to the lottery system for this year.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 30, 2018, 03:54:37 PM
As long as we’re top 10-12 we have a chance. If kings can continue to lose we will be in a good place
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 30, 2018, 04:26:09 PM
Kings monitoring and showing interest in Otto Porter.

Something worth watching. Depends on what the trade actually is but Porter definitely would help/improve the Kings  :(

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2808614-otto-porter-jr-trade-rumors-kings-closely-monitoring-wizards-forward
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 30, 2018, 04:44:19 PM
Kings monitoring and showing interest in Otto Porter.

Something worth watching. Depends on what the trade actually is but Porter definitely would help/improve the Kings  :(

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2808614-otto-porter-jr-trade-rumors-kings-closely-monitoring-wizards-forward
I was expecting that.  Koufos and ZBo for Porter and Smith works and it gets the Wizards below the luxury tax line. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 01, 2018, 08:06:50 PM
Kings currently tied for 2nd worst in the West with the Spurs, and about 7 teams in the East worse than them (though 4 of them are just within 2 games of SAC).

This looks A LOT better than like 10 days ago when SAC was like 4th in the West and their pick didn't even look like a lottery pick at all.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 01, 2018, 08:32:14 PM
Nets, magic hornets heat and wizards need to start winning
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 01, 2018, 08:32:57 PM
Nets hornets heat and wizards need to start winning

The first 3 could. Unfortunately I expect WAS to have a fire sale of sorts soon so maybe they end up tanking the year themselves for a high pick.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 01, 2018, 09:03:04 PM
Kings currently tied for 2nd worst in the West with the Spurs, and about 7 teams in the East worse than them (though 4 of them are just within 2 games of SAC).

This looks A LOT better than like 10 days ago when SAC was like 4th in the West and their pick didn't even look like a lottery pick at all.
They're also only a half game behind the Twolves in 8th.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 01, 2018, 09:32:25 PM
WT
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 01, 2018, 10:28:30 PM
WT
WT?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 01, 2018, 10:31:40 PM
WT
WT?

Guessing it means wrong thread?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on December 01, 2018, 10:55:31 PM
ok so i want Sac to lose but also us to pull ahead of indy in the standings...what gives?  maybe sac losing would be better cause we should get ahead of indy regardless?  thoughts?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 01, 2018, 11:03:52 PM
WT
WT?

Guessing it means wrong thread?
That makes sense.  I thought a letter might have been dropped.  :)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Atzar on December 02, 2018, 12:27:19 AM
Kings beat the Pacers because Collison couldn't handle the ball against Fox in the last few possessions.  Two crucial turnovers in the last minute. 

That was a bummer. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: konkmv on December 02, 2018, 03:39:41 AM
Calm down.. sac will be bottom 3 team in the west eventually
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Hank Finkel on December 02, 2018, 07:25:25 AM
Calm down.. sac will be bottom 3 team in the west eventually
I agree. Sac is much better than I thought they would be though. The west is just so balanced though. If Sac was in the east they might be battling for the last playoff slot. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Surferdad on December 02, 2018, 08:33:57 AM
ok so i want Sac to lose but also us to pull ahead of indy in the standings...what gives?  maybe sac losing would be better cause we should get ahead of indy regardless?  thoughts?
Yes, that's correct, IMO.  They can do/should something about battling Indy in the standings.  Can't do anything about Sac so sprinkle some pixie dust and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: RodyTur10 on December 02, 2018, 09:34:40 AM
Calm down.. sac will be bottom 3 team in the west eventually

Indiana was missing Oladipo and Sabonis had an offday and Sacramento won with only one point at home. Not that amazing.

From the Celtics' viewpoint it would be bad though if Otto Porter is going to be traded to them. His shooting and defense would help them a lot.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 02, 2018, 10:42:22 AM
Calm down.. sac will be bottom 3 team in the west eventually

Indiana was missing Oladipo and Sabonis had an offday and Sacramento won with only one point at home. Not that amazing.

From the Celtics' viewpoint it would be bad though if Otto Porter is going to be traded to them. His shooting and defense would help them a lot.
They don't need to be amazing to hurt our pick.  They're 11-11 and ESPN shows them with the 3rd hardest SOS so far.  They need to go on a long losing streak to put some buffer for when teams start tanking. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 02, 2018, 11:33:28 AM
Dang I went to bed with the Pacers up 6 mid-way through the 4th, and thought they'd hold on  :(

That said, IND are missing Oladipo and so it's expected that they'll slip a bit.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on December 02, 2018, 03:02:15 PM
The Kings play Phoenix, Cleveland, Indiana ( Without Oladipo?) and Chicago next. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 02, 2018, 03:04:00 PM
The Kings play Phoenix, Cleveland, Indiana ( Without Oladipo?) and Chicago next.
Yikes!!  That'll drop their strength of schedule. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on December 02, 2018, 03:09:50 PM
The Kings play Phoenix, Cleveland, Indiana ( Without Oladipo?) and Chicago next.
Yikes!!  That'll drop their strength of schedule.

I think they get a bunch of quality teams after that... I really can't see them making the playoffs...
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 02, 2018, 03:32:44 PM
The Kings play Phoenix, Cleveland, Indiana ( Without Oladipo?) and Chicago next.
Yikes!!  That'll drop their strength of schedule.

I think they get a bunch of quality teams after that... I really can't see them making the playoffs...
Not worried about them making the playoffs but they are banking wins.  If they win 3 of the next 4, they'll be at 14 wins which is more than half of their projected 25 to 28 wins. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on December 03, 2018, 07:58:01 PM
They're 11-11 and out of the playoffs but they're also only 1 game or less ahead of San Antonio, Utah, and Minnesota, all of whom I think are better teams who will win more games going forward.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on December 03, 2018, 09:42:43 PM
The Kings play Phoenix, Cleveland, Indiana ( Without Oladipo?) and Chicago next.
Yikes!!  That'll drop their strength of schedule.

I think they get a bunch of quality teams after that... I really can't see them making the playoffs...


Not worried about them making the playoffs but they are banking wins.  If they win 3 of the next 4, they'll be at 14 wins which is more than half of their projected 25 to 28 wins.


The Suns won’t have Booker, and of course the Cavs won’t have Love, and the Bulls have a few young guys out too.  The Kings are a little lucky with this stretch. 


I don’t see much hope now of catching the Suns, Cavs, Bulls, and Hawks for the race to the bottom.  However if the next grouping stays within 3 wins as it is now going into the home stretch of the season I think we’ll have a chance to move as high as the 5th pick, and somewhere in the range of 5 to 10.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on December 03, 2018, 09:50:55 PM
Bulls could play better when their guys start to come back from injuries and with a new coach. I think the Knicks will want to show porzingas is healthy for potential free agent signings this offseason.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 03, 2018, 11:17:40 PM
Bulls could play better when their guys start to come back from injuries and with a new coach. I think the Knicks will want to show porzingas is healthy for potential free agent signings this offseason.
The Bulls and the other 3 bottom teams are already 7 games behind the Kings.  Very unlikely any of them will get ahead of the Kings.  There is no reported timetable for Porzingas' return so that probably means a month at the earliest. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on December 03, 2018, 11:29:02 PM
Bulls could play better when their guys start to come back from injuries and with a new coach. I think the Knicks will want to show porzingas is healthy for potential free agent signings this offseason.
The Bulls and the other 3 bottom teams are already 7 games behind the Kings.  Very unlikely any of them will get ahead of the Kings.  There is no reported timetable for Porzingas' return so that probably means a month at the earliest.

No rea benefit to writing off the teams now. Lot of basketball to play. Knicks certainly have a lot more reason to try and be competitive the rest of the season than some other tanking teams. I think the lakers won like 7 games in a row last march or February

I guess it was 12 wins out of 16
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 04, 2018, 05:50:44 AM
Bulls could play better when their guys start to come back from injuries and with a new coach. I think the Knicks will want to show porzingas is healthy for potential free agent signings this offseason.
The Bulls and the other 3 bottom teams are already 7 games behind the Kings.  Very unlikely any of them will get ahead of the Kings.  There is no reported timetable for Porzingas' return so that probably means a month at the earliest.

No rea benefit to writing off the teams now. Lot of basketball to play. Knicks certainly have a lot more reason to try and be competitive the rest of the season than some other tanking teams. I think the lakers won like 7 games in a row last march or February

I guess it was 12 wins out of 16
Just being realistic.  Per ESPN, the Kings have played to 2nd toughest schedule so far.  The Suns have played a slightly tougher schedule but the other three bottom feeders are in the bottom half of SOS.  The Lakers weren't a bottom feeder.  I think they still had delusions of making the playoffs.  Maybe Chicago still does this season but the other 3 don't. 

The Knicks always have a reason to be competitive and generally fail at it.  Who was the last good free agent that they actually got?  When the Knicks start tanking, they go all in. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on December 04, 2018, 06:14:04 AM
Bulls could play better when their guys start to come back from injuries and with a new coach. I think the Knicks will want to show porzingas is healthy for potential free agent signings this offseason.
The Bulls and the other 3 bottom teams are already 7 games behind the Kings.  Very unlikely any of them will get ahead of the Kings.  There is no reported timetable for Porzingas' return so that probably means a month at the earliest.

No rea benefit to writing off the teams now. Lot of basketball to play. Knicks certainly have a lot more reason to try and be competitive the rest of the season than some other tanking teams. I think the lakers won like 7 games in a row last march or February

I guess it was 12 wins out of 16
Just being realistic.  Per ESPN, the Kings have played to 2nd toughest schedule so far.  The Suns have played a slightly tougher schedule but the other three bottom feeders are in the bottom half of SOS.  The Lakers weren't a bottom feeder.  I think they still had delusions of making the playoffs.  Maybe Chicago still does this season but the other 3 don't. 

The Knicks always have a reason to be competitive and generally fail at it.  Who was the last good free agent that they actually got?  When the Knicks start tanking, they go all in.

How often do they have cap space? They whiffed on James the first time but landed Amare.

I don’t think they tank, they are just incompetent.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 04, 2018, 09:49:31 PM
Kings up 46-13. Good grief Suns...
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 04, 2018, 10:00:14 PM
Kings up 46-13. Good grief Suns...
Tanktastic.  So what is it this year:  Tryin' for Zion? 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on December 04, 2018, 10:03:44 PM
Kings up 46-13. Good grief Suns...
Tanktastic.  So what is it this year:  Tryin' for Zion?


I like Tryin' for Zion!

How about I've got a need for Reid!

I've got a fetish for Reddish!

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: RockinRyA on December 04, 2018, 10:15:03 PM
Meh. The trade was a win anyway. Sac pick is just house money
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Boris Badenov on December 04, 2018, 10:49:17 PM
Assuming that the range of possible outcomes from the Kings pick does not include "Jayson Tatum forgets how to shoot and craters his entire career," I'm good with pretty much anything that happens.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on December 04, 2018, 11:02:10 PM
If the Kings pick doesn't work as planned...like Zion-planned

We basically drafted Jayson Tatum as a #1 pick using the #3 pick. Ah well. At least there's that Kings pick that might not be lottery-bound.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: BringToughnessBack on December 04, 2018, 11:38:56 PM
Dissapointed in this pick right now and that Doc Rivers has suddenly become a legit coach again when we are due that pick as well....Suns are horrendous every year.......
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 04, 2018, 11:59:21 PM
It’s not fair to disparage the pick today

The suns  are the worst team.
 isn’t even close
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 05, 2018, 12:16:30 AM
It’s not fair to disparage the pick today

The suns  are the worst team.
 isn’t even close
Bulls, Cavs and Hawks are close to the Suns.  The Suns have played the toughest schedule.  19 of their 24 opponents are .500 or above. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: konkmv on December 05, 2018, 12:25:54 AM
 They still have 2 winnable games the next 3 games.. and then a very tough 10 games schedule.. after that we will see
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 05, 2018, 12:56:27 AM
They still have 2 winnable games the next 3 games.. and then a very tough 10 games schedule.. after that we will see
3 out of 3.  It is a B2B but Indiana probably won't have Oladipo.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 05, 2018, 12:00:26 PM
Yeah I hate to say it but it looks like even "best case scenario" is the Kings finishing with the 6th worst record in the league. Realistically it's looking like a pick in the 8-10 range unless SAC seriously regresses and/or some other bottom teams have stellar 2nd halfs of the season
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on December 05, 2018, 12:25:53 PM
At this rate i think I'd have rather had the Lakers 10th pick last year.  I don't know a ton about the non-Dukies, but at #10 last year we'd have had a choice of SGA, MPJ or one of the Bridges. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Sophomore on December 05, 2018, 01:29:06 PM
Yeah I hate to say it but it looks like even "best case scenario" is the Kings finishing with the 6th worst record in the league. Realistically it's looking like a pick in the 8-10 range unless SAC seriously regresses and/or some other bottom teams have stellar 2nd halfs of the season

8-10 isn't all I was hoping for, but it's not bad. Still a lot of value there to bundle with other assets to move up or get a vet. Just wish Memphis and the Clips hadn't got so good so fast!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on December 05, 2018, 02:16:59 PM
Yeah I hate to say it but it looks like even "best case scenario" is the Kings finishing with the 6th worst record in the league. Realistically it's looking like a pick in the 8-10 range unless SAC seriously regresses and/or some other bottom teams have stellar 2nd halfs of the season

8-10 isn't all I was hoping for, but it's not bad. Still a lot of value there to bundle with other assets to move up or get a vet. Just wish Memphis and the Clips hadn't got so good so fast!

Only 5.5 games separate the best record in the west to the 2nd worst record in the west (14 teams) with roughly 60 games left in the season.  It’s fun to see so many teams jumbled up together, and see how this plays out.  A few of the non playoff teams in the east Wizards, Knicks, Heat, and Nets aren’t too far behind the Kings either.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Threat d
Post by: nickagneta on December 05, 2018, 03:05:06 PM
I still think by year's end Sactown finishes in the 6-8 spot. I think in that position we would have 3 shots in the 6-10% chance of landing a pick between 2 and 4. Last year the C's would have only 3-5% chance to land at 2 or 3
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on December 05, 2018, 07:27:31 PM
Yeah I hate to say it but it looks like even "best case scenario" is the Kings finishing with the 6th worst record in the league. Realistically it's looking like a pick in the 8-10 range unless SAC seriously regresses and/or some other bottom teams have stellar 2nd halfs of the season

8-10 isn't all I was hoping for, but it's not bad. Still a lot of value there to bundle with other assets to move up or get a vet. Just wish Memphis and the Clips hadn't got so good so fast!

Only 5.5 games separate the best record in the west to the 2nd worst record in the west (14 teams) with roughly 60 games left in the season.  It’s fun to see so many teams jumbled up together, and see how this plays out.  A few of the non playoff teams in the east Wizards, Knicks, Heat, and Nets aren’t too far behind the Kings either.

Yeah, the Kings have less than a 2 game lead over the Timberwolves, Jazz, Pelicans, Rockets, and Spurs. All teams I think are better and are likely to jump the Kings by the end of the season, which would leave the Kings 2nd worst in the West. They may end up better than that, but if we're talking best case scenario, that's it.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on December 05, 2018, 10:54:47 PM
Nets absolutely imploded tonight. They have been hot garbage since they lost LeVert
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on December 05, 2018, 11:40:56 PM
Nets absolutely imploded tonight. They have been hot garbage since they lost LeVert

Yuh, that was painful. Problem is gap between a decent playoff spot and 2nd last in the West is tiny. Whereas 11-15 in the East will be miles of a playoff spot, and hence have incentive to tank. I think it's fair to say the pick will slip to around 11-13 I'm sorry to say.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Threat d
Post by: perks-a-beast on December 06, 2018, 01:22:05 AM
I still think by year's end Sactown finishes in the 6-8 spot. I think in that position we would have 3 shots in the 6-10% chance of landing a pick between 2 and 4. Last year the C's would have only 3-5% chance to land at 2 or 3

I’m really not sure anymore man. This Kings team is deep and plays hard. De’Aron Fox is going to be the best guard from that draft when it’s all said and done, young fella can play. They’ve got shooting and a lot of defensive versatility. I could see them only landing us the 10-12 pick unfortunately.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on December 07, 2018, 11:13:51 AM
Sacramento is back in the standings where they belong, the lottery. I still see the following teams surpassing them in the West: Minnesota, Houston, New Orleans (if), Utah and possibly San Antonio. So, there's that. It would make them finish in the bottom 7 after all is said and done. Teams from the East that could also finish ahead of them are Washington and/or Miami. This is, of course, barring trades and injuries and eventually tanking.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on December 07, 2018, 09:46:45 PM
Sacramento is back in the standings where they belong, the lottery. I still see the following teams surpassing them in the West: Minnesota, Houston, New Orleans (if), Utah and possibly San Antonio. So, there's that. It would make them finish in the bottom 7 after all is said and done. Teams from the East that could also finish ahead of them are Washington and/or Miami. This is, of course, barring trades and injuries and eventually tanking.
win over the Cavs and the Mavs are off, so back in playoff position.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tenn_smoothie on December 08, 2018, 12:48:12 AM
I keep waiting for them to hit a bad patch and they keep staying above .500 - as a young group, they may improve as the season progresses. But you gotta think the wear and tear will catch up with Bagley and other young guys. Mophead Fox is the guy making the difference.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on December 08, 2018, 12:53:17 AM
Sacramento is back in the standings where they belong, the lottery. I still see the following teams surpassing them in the West: Minnesota, Houston, New Orleans (if), Utah and possibly San Antonio. So, there's that. It would make them finish in the bottom 7 after all is said and done. Teams from the East that could also finish ahead of them are Washington and/or Miami. This is, of course, barring trades and injuries and eventually tanking.
win over the Cavs and the Mavs are off, so back in playoff position.

Lol. This is such a classic Moranis post, tp
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Threat d
Post by: celticsclay on December 08, 2018, 12:54:26 AM
I still think by year's end Sactown finishes in the 6-8 spot. I think in that position we would have 3 shots in the 6-10% chance of landing a pick between 2 and 4. Last year the C's would have only 3-5% chance to land at 2 or 3

I’m really not sure anymore man. This Kings team is deep and plays hard. De’Aron Fox is going to be the best guard from that draft when it’s all said and done, young fella can play. They’ve got shooting and a lot of defensive versatility. I could see them only landing us the 10-12 pick unfortunately.

I stopped following them day to day. Resigned to low lottery. Just happy we don’t have fultz
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Threat d
Post by: tenn_smoothie on December 08, 2018, 02:27:12 AM
I still think by year's end Sactown finishes in the 6-8 spot. I think in that position we would have 3 shots in the 6-10% chance of landing a pick between 2 and 4. Last year the C's would have only 3-5% chance to land at 2 or 3

I’m really not sure anymore man. This Kings team is deep and plays hard. De’Aron Fox is going to be the best guard from that draft when it’s all said and done, young fella can play. They’ve got shooting and a lot of defensive versatility. I could see them only landing us the 10-12 pick unfortunately.

I stopped following them day to day. Resigned to low lottery. Just happy we don’t have fultz

Good point. Be grateful for what we have and don't have.
How many more stars do we need ? A strong rotational player who knows their role might be the best draft choice for this team. Only thing missing if Williams develops is a knock-down spot-up shooter (Korver or Reddick type).
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on December 08, 2018, 02:27:18 AM
Had high hopes for the Kings pick being a lottery. Dreamt of Zion Williamson/RJ Barrett.

Might just become another Kelly Olynyk/Terry Rozier type pick.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on December 08, 2018, 03:14:07 AM
Had high hopes for the Kings pick being a lottery. Dreamt of Zion Williamson/RJ Barrett.

Might just become another Kelly Olynyk/Terry Rozier type pick.

The way Zion looks, I think I’d rather lock in a KO/TR3 now than a legit chance that Philly lands him.

I mean, this pick is gravy so even a rotation player would be nice.

Personally, I’d like to see the Knicks get him. Would be great for the NBA.

Plus at that salary (and a big KP extension), it would be very difficult for them to land a max vet, I believe. But those two would be very fun to watch and make the Knicks relevant again.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: nickagneta on December 11, 2018, 12:59:38 PM
Anyone take a look at the Kings' upcoming schedule?

Minnesota
GSW
@ Dallas
@Minnesota
OKC
Memphis
New Orleans
@ Clippers
Lakers
@Lakers
Portland
Denver
GSW

I am not seeing a lot of wins in those 13 games.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 11, 2018, 01:58:54 PM
I was prepared for this to happen based on the unpredictability of young teams, but the Kings are still bumming me out this season. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on December 11, 2018, 02:52:21 PM
Anyone take a look at the Kings' upcoming schedule?

Minnesota
GSW
@ Dallas
@Minnesota
OKC
Memphis
New Orleans
@ Clippers
Lakers
@Lakers
Portland
Denver
GSW

I am not seeing a lot of wins in those 13 games.

There are a lot of losses coming for the Kings but they play hard and have some talent.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on December 13, 2018, 06:21:49 AM
Anyone take a look at the Kings' upcoming schedule?

Minnesota
GSW
@ Dallas
@Minnesota
OKC
Memphis
New Orleans
@ Clippers
Lakers
@Lakers
Portland
Denver
GSW

I am not seeing a lot of wins in those 13 games.
well they have at least 1 after beating the Wolves.  Bagley 17 points on just 5 shots.  Pretty impressive (and Ferrell scored 17 on just 6 shots). 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: konkmv on December 13, 2018, 07:06:52 AM
Will not make the playoffs but the pick will be at the 8-14 range
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on December 15, 2018, 12:29:57 AM
wow sac up like 10 on warriors in the last few minutes and they come back and beat them thankfully. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on December 15, 2018, 02:18:00 PM
The West is so insane this year. They're going to wind up with, like, 9 teams winning 45 games.

Good for us, because the King might stay over .500 and still convey a decent pick.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on December 16, 2018, 09:16:17 AM
The West is so insane this year. They're going to wind up with, like, 9 teams winning 45 games.

Good for us, because the King might stay over .500 and still convey a decent pick.
you mean like last year where the 9 seed had 46 wins and 10 had 42.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on December 16, 2018, 10:39:37 AM
The West is so insane this year. They're going to wind up with, like, 9 teams winning 45 games.

Good for us, because the King might stay over .500 and still convey a decent pick.
you mean like last year where the 9 seed had 46 wins and 10 had 42.

In terms of the Kings pick, exactly. The Kings could win 44 games and still convey the 12th pick, which wouldn't be bad at all since it's a basically a free pick and the C's would have some other assets to help them move up if they want.

In terms of the craziness of the West this year, it's even crazier than last season because no one is getting separation. I'm sure GS will go on a run at some point but there is no Houston Rockets winning 65 games this season. Last year, 3rd and 9th were separated by just 3 games. This season we could see 2nd and 10th separated by 3 games.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on December 16, 2018, 11:06:50 AM
The West is so insane this year. They're going to wind up with, like, 9 teams winning 45 games.

Good for us, because the King might stay over .500 and still convey a decent pick.
you mean like last year where the 9 seed had 46 wins and 10 had 42.

In terms of the Kings pick, exactly. The Kings could win 44 games and still convey the 12th pick, which wouldn't be bad at all since it's a basically a free pick and the C's would have some other assets to help them move up if they want.

In terms of the craziness of the West this year, it's even crazier than last season because no one is getting separation. I'm sure GS will go on a run at some point but there is no Houston Rockets winning 65 games this season. Last year, 3rd and 9th were separated by just 3 games. This season we could see 2nd and 10th separated by 3 games.

It’s not only down to the 10th spot.  The Wolves with the 2nd worst record in the west are only 3 games out of the 8th spot.  If this continues it will be a wild 2nd half of the season.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on December 16, 2018, 09:36:53 PM
Win at Dallas. Keep thinking they will slow down but that is looking less likely by the game.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on December 16, 2018, 10:18:57 PM
Not even their fans thought they’d be this improved.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on December 17, 2018, 08:59:03 PM
I know we need like 10 games like this to feel better but Kings look like a high school team tonight
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Jiri Welsch on December 17, 2018, 09:14:03 PM
I know we need like 10 games like this to feel better but Kings look like a high school team tonight

Yeah these next 10 games are huge because they’re all against tough opponents. It would be great to see them drop 7-8 games out of the playoff spot before that All-Star break.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on December 17, 2018, 10:13:51 PM
I know we need like 10 games like this to feel better but Kings look like a high school team tonight
why did the starters only play like 5 minutes?  Seems strange.  And yes I know they lost the 1st quarter by 15, but still, why would Fox only play 6 minutes, Bejelica 5 minutes, WCS 7 minutes, Bogdanovic 10 minutes.  At least Hield played 18 (and scored 21 points in those 18 minutes).  Just very strange for a coach like Joerger to throw in the towel on the game.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Jiri Welsch on December 17, 2018, 10:17:40 PM
I know we need like 10 games like this to feel better but Kings look like a high school team tonight
why did the starters only play like 5 minutes?  Seems strange.  And yes I know they lost the 1st quarter by 15, but still, why would Fox only play 6 minutes, Bejelica 5 minutes, WCS 7 minutes, Bogdanovic 10 minutes.  At least Hield played 18 (and scored 21 points in those 18 minutes).  Just very strange for a coach like Joerger to throw in the towel on the game.

Yeah it is weird. They are playing the second game of a back-to-back so maybe he intended to limit their minutes anyway?

Hopefully it causes dissension in the ranks!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on December 18, 2018, 12:12:42 AM
I know we need like 10 games like this to feel better but Kings look like a high school team tonight
why did the starters only play like 5 minutes?  Seems strange.  And yes I know they lost the 1st quarter by 15, but still, why would Fox only play 6 minutes, Bejelica 5 minutes, WCS 7 minutes, Bogdanovic 10 minutes.  At least Hield played 18 (and scored 21 points in those 18 minutes).  Just very strange for a coach like Joerger to throw in the towel on the game.

I was watching this game (it was on where I was watching fantasy). The wolves had like 10 dunks in the first half and I think Joerger just got disgusted with their effort/thought they were too tired.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on December 18, 2018, 01:27:34 AM
Maybe the starters shouldn’t go to the next practice.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: RockinRyA on December 18, 2018, 05:36:55 AM
I know we need like 10 games like this to feel better but Kings look like a high school team tonight
why did the starters only play like 5 minutes?  Seems strange.  And yes I know they lost the 1st quarter by 15, but still, why would Fox only play 6 minutes, Bejelica 5 minutes, WCS 7 minutes, Bogdanovic 10 minutes.  At least Hield played 18 (and scored 21 points in those 18 minutes).  Just very strange for a coach like Joerger to throw in the towel on the game.

Maybe he didn't want them to "Double lose"
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 18, 2018, 11:00:27 PM
Nets hawks and cavs won. Decent day for teams with worse record than kings
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 18, 2018, 11:01:49 PM
Still can't believe rockets, spurs, jazz, pelicans still have a worse record than kings
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on December 18, 2018, 11:03:41 PM
Nets hawks and cavs won. Decent day for teams with worse record than kings

Dallas in the hunt against the Nugs..

Side note: DeAndre is hitting .748 from FT line this year  :o
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on December 19, 2018, 10:12:27 AM
Nets hawks and cavs won. Decent day for teams with worse record than kings
I'd rather the Hawks had lost that game as I believe they will have a really bad record (worse than Sacramento) and Washington is one of the teams that I'd rather had won that game. Not only due the Kings but also Memphis, if Memphis ever goes south.
Same goes for the Nets but at least it was the Lakers.
Lots of interesting games tonight. Kings are at home tonight against OKC.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on December 20, 2018, 01:17:51 PM
With the Kings losing last night and the Grizzlies too for that matter, both teams are now in the lottery if the season were to end today with 16 wins a piece, and sitting at the 12th and 13th slots respectively for the draft.

The Kings have been slumping a bit (also a little of the injury bug), and have a tough schedule coming up.  There are 3 current lottery teams 1 win behind them with 15 wins, 1 with 14, 1 with 13, and 1 with 12 before you get to the Knicks, Cavs, Bulls, Hawks, and Suns cluster from 7 to 9 wins.

Things are looking a little better at least they could fall back to the 6 to 10 range.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: aefgogreen on December 20, 2018, 01:55:16 PM
With the Kings losing last night and the Grizzlies too for that matter, both teams are now in the lottery if the season were to end today with 16 wins a piece, and sitting at the 12th and 13th slots respectively for the draft.

The Kings have been slumping a bit (also a little of the injury bug), and have a tough schedule coming up.  There are 3 current lottery teams 1 win behind them with 15 wins, 1 with 14, 1 with 13, and 1 with 12 before you get to the Knicks, Cavs, Bulls, Hawks, and Suns cluster from 7 to 9 wins.

Things are looking a little better at least they could fall back to the 6 to 10 range.

Yup, I feel comfortable saying they won't be as bad as I expected (around 5th worst) but not as good as their record is now.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: konkmv on December 20, 2018, 02:24:44 PM
In the end we will have 2 lottery picks
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on December 21, 2018, 01:44:31 PM
In the end we will have 2 lottery picks
That's all we could ask for, really. No other lotto picks could be had. I know people want that Memphis pick rolled over until 2021 and I may be one of those patient people that does as well but we could use that Memphis pick. I think it's still valuable even if it falls around 10-14. But right now it looks like a 2 player draft and then a bit of a fall off, but not huge. Still think there's about 15-18 good players out there.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on December 21, 2018, 02:17:30 PM
In the end we will have 2 lottery picks
That's all we could ask for, really. No other lotto picks could be had. I know people want that Memphis pick rolled over until 2021 and I may be one of those patient people that does as well but we could use that Memphis pick. I think it's still valuable even if it falls around 10-14. But right now it looks like a 2 player draft and then a bit of a fall off, but not huge. Still think there's about 15-18 good players out there.

who are the two players?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: BringToughnessBack on December 21, 2018, 02:43:51 PM
All I want for Christmas Santa is a nice 15 game losing streak for the Kings. Please have it come after a short 10 game losing streak.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on December 21, 2018, 02:55:38 PM
In the end we will have 2 lottery picks
That's all we could ask for, really. No other lotto picks could be had. I know people want that Memphis pick rolled over until 2021 and I may be one of those patient people that does as well but we could use that Memphis pick. I think it's still valuable even if it falls around 10-14. But right now it looks like a 2 player draft and then a bit of a fall off, but not huge. Still think there's about 15-18 good players out there.

who are the two players?
Williamson and Barrett seem like the cream of the class to me.  I don't recall seeing a mock that didn't have them at 1 and 2 (some have Zion and some have RJ at the top), and there have been a lot of different players at 3.  This seems very similar to the Simmons draft in that regard at least at this point in the season where you knew who was going 1, knew who was going 2, and then had a bunch of different people that could have gone 3. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on December 26, 2018, 03:07:03 PM
https://deadspin.com/draymond-green-is-kind-of-killing-the-warriors-1831319478
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: jambr380 on December 26, 2018, 05:27:13 PM
Of course Lebron goes down for like the first time in his career last night and the Kings play two of their next three against the Lakers...*sigh*  :-\ Hopefully the Lakers can surprise in at least one of the two (like, what am I doing rooting for the Lakers??)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on December 26, 2018, 06:01:45 PM
Of course Lebron goes down for like the first time in his career last night and the Kings play two of their next three against the Lakers...*sigh*  :-\ Hopefully the Lakers can surprise in at least one of the two (like, what am I doing rooting for the Lakers??)

hopefully he only sits one of them...
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: csfansince60s on December 26, 2018, 08:35:02 PM
Of course Lebron goes down for like the first time in his career last night and the Kings play two of their next three against the Lakers...*sigh*  :-\ Hopefully the Lakers can surprise in at least one of the two (like, what am I doing rooting for the Lakers??)

TP for the observation.

Happened with a few teams they’ve played this  year, if I remember correctly. ‘Dipo and the Pacers for one stands out to me. I think they caught the Rockets twice without Chris Paul

EDIT: I was wrong about CP3.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 27, 2018, 07:08:19 PM
Lakers jazz blazers knicks need to win

If rockets beat us it will be ok cuz of the pick
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: libermaniac on December 28, 2018, 12:39:31 AM
Kings come back from down 15 midway through 4th. Hit buzzer beater to win after Kuzma misses a FT. UGH. And they play the Lakers without LeBron again on Sunday.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on December 28, 2018, 01:44:04 AM
Wow I can't believe the mighty Lakers who dismantled the Big 4 Warriors in Oracle Arena lost to the friggen Kings tonight.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on December 28, 2018, 01:54:26 AM
Wow I can't believe the mighty Lakers who dismantled the Big 4 Warriors in Oracle Arena lost to the friggen Kings tonight.
With Rondo vs without ;D
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: 10610786d on December 28, 2018, 04:52:38 AM
Wow I can't believe the mighty Lakers who dismantled the Big 4 Warriors in Oracle Arena lost to the friggen Kings tonight.
With Rondo vs without ;D

No kidding. Javale McGee and Lance Stephenson don't scream leadership to me.

They're like us, a contending team that is quite young. Except Lonzo and arguably Ingram are worse than Jayson and Brown.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on December 28, 2018, 06:18:54 AM
Wow I can't believe the mighty Lakers who dismantled the Big 4 Warriors in Oracle Arena lost to the friggen Kings tonight.
The Kings are a good team.  They score a lot of points and have a lot of depth.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Androslav on December 28, 2018, 08:25:02 AM
Bogdan Bogdanović - 6th man of the year?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bogdabo01.html
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 29, 2018, 07:53:48 PM
Marvin Bagley III will be held out of basketball activities for at least two more weeks.

Bagley suffered a bone bruise on his left knee in a game against the Warriors on December 14th. An MRI showed no structural damage.

Bagley is averaging 12.7 points and 6.1 rebounds per game this season
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on December 31, 2018, 02:04:55 AM
Bit of a lucky loss today. Ingram hit a few tough 2's down the stretch..

We'll take it Warm up Tankathon!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Jiri Welsch on December 31, 2018, 02:34:46 AM
The Kings have 7 out of their next 8 at home. It would be amazing if they lost more than they won!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on December 31, 2018, 07:04:09 AM
The Kings have 7 out of their next 8 at home. It would be amazing if they lost more than they won!
I will take that bet but it will be close. It's either 4-5 or 5-4.
They play Portland (L); Denver (L); GS (L); Orl (W); @Pho (W); Det (W); Char (L); Port (W)...how the hell do they end up starting the "home stand" and finishing it with Portland at home? So basically you are correct, they could easily go 5-4 or even 6-3 and it wouldn't surprise.
After that it gets a little tough with long road trip. They play all teams that are above or 1 or 2 games below .500 except for Brooklyn. And after that I see them winning about 8 or 9 games so that would add up to about 35 wins. Still a lottery team which will add up to about the 10th pick. I hope they finish about 8th. Not much depth in this draft but a few good/solid players could be had in the top 15 - 20 picks.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on December 31, 2018, 10:38:39 AM
The Kings have 7 out of their next 8 at home. It would be amazing if they lost more than they won!
I will take that bet but it will be close. It's either 4-5 or 5-4.
They play Portland (L); Denver (L); GS (L); Orl (W); @Pho (W); Det (W); Char (L); Port (W)...how the hell do they end up starting the "home stand" and finishing it with Portland at home? So basically you are correct, they could easily go 5-4 or even 6-3 and it wouldn't surprise.
After that it gets a little tough with long road trip. They play all teams that are above or 1 or 2 games below .500 except for Brooklyn. And after that I see them winning about 8 or 9 games so that would add up to about 35 wins. Still a lottery team which will add up to about the 10th pick. I hope they finish about 8th. Not much depth in this draft but a few good/solid players could be had in the top 15 - 20 picks.

The Magic are close to .500 and the Suns have been playing better of late with Booker back.  Charlotte won’t be easy either.  Hopefully this is a bad stretch for the Kings even being at home.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on January 02, 2019, 01:35:24 AM
Kings lost


If the kings can squeeze into being a bottom 8-9 team, that increases greatly the chances the pick jumps into the top 4.

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on January 02, 2019, 09:49:32 AM
Kings lost


If the kings can squeeze into being a bottom 8-9 team, that increases greatly the chances the pick jumps into the top 4.

I keep thinking, if we had only had the Kings pick this past year instead of in 2019...

Mike
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: hpantazo on January 02, 2019, 10:25:05 AM
Kings lost


If the kings can squeeze into being a bottom 8-9 team, that increases greatly the chances the pick jumps into the top 4.

What we need is for the Jazz and TWolves to pick up the pace and get into the playoffs in the West so that both the Kings and Grizzlies end up in the lottery. That would greatly increase our chances of at least one of those 2 picks ending up in the top 5.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on January 02, 2019, 10:40:06 AM
Kings lost


If the kings can squeeze into being a bottom 8-9 team, that increases greatly the chances the pick jumps into the top 4.

What we need is for the Jazz and TWolves to pick up the pace and get into the playoffs in the West so that both the Kings and Grizzlies end up in the lottery. That would greatly increase our chances of at least one of those 2 picks ending up in the top 5.

although we wouldn’t get memphis’s if it were to be top 5
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on January 02, 2019, 10:46:02 AM
Kings lost


If the kings can squeeze into being a bottom 8-9 team, that increases greatly the chances the pick jumps into the top 4.

What we need is for the Jazz and TWolves to pick up the pace and get into the playoffs in the West so that both the Kings and Grizzlies end up in the lottery. That would greatly increase our chances of at least one of those 2 picks ending up in the top 5.

although we wouldn’t get memphis’s if it were to be top 5
Yeah.  9 and 2 is the best we can do.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on January 03, 2019, 08:27:56 PM
My hope is that DAL makes some sort of move to help their team and maybe in turn also prevent SAC from nabbing that guy as well (like Beal, or Porter, or someone else before the deadline). Hope MIN + UTAH figure it out as well and make or at least fight hard for a playoff spot. If that happens then suddenly this could be a pick in the 9-10 range, maybe even 1-2 spots better IF any of BKN/WAS/ORL slightly improve.

This could also help the Memphis pick too as they could slip and maybe we can snag that pick in the 9-10 range too, otherwise it's still a valuable pick for 2020 or 2021. Clippers pick could end up a solid 15-20 range and that's good.

Things certainly do look a bit more promising than they did a few weeks ago, that's for sure  :)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on January 06, 2019, 12:18:39 PM
If SAC was just 1.5 games worse, they'd be the 2nd worst in the West and that would likely be the 7th or 8th pick for us. Even at 7 or 8, the odds of getting a Top-4 pick out of that is 26.3% if #8, or 32% if #7, not too shabby!

On the other hand, YIKES, I simulated just once on Tankathon this morning and that first try, it had the SAC Pick going up 12 spots to #1 and therefore going to PHI...  :o  :(  :P
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 06, 2019, 01:13:07 PM
7-8 best case scenario?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: konkmv on January 06, 2019, 02:00:19 PM
They have an easy schedule next 5 6 games and then the trip to east begins.. if they stay under 0.50 till then they will start losing more and more because playoffs will be far away.. i do not know if we get the memphis pick this year though... they start losing bad
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Sophomore on January 06, 2019, 02:20:11 PM
7-8 best case scenario?

Yeah, I think even if they tumble hard (like they lose a key piece to injury) it’s going to be hard for them to catch the dregs of the league and wind up with 6th worst or better. 12-14 is my guess, anything better than that is gravy.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Sophomore on January 06, 2019, 02:22:06 PM
If SAC was just 1.5 games worse, they'd be the 2nd worst in the West and that would likely be the 7th or 8th pick for us. Even at 7 or 8, the odds of getting a Top-4 pick out of that is 26.3% if #8, or 32% if #7, not too shabby!

On the other hand, YIKES, I simulated just once on Tankathon this morning and that first try, it had the SAC Pick going up 12 spots to #1 and therefore going to PHI...  :o  :(  :P

FWIW, I got us moved up from 14th to 4th. So we’re good.

OK, it did take me 13 tries...
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on January 06, 2019, 02:53:23 PM
7-8 best case scenario?

Yeah, I think even if they tumble hard (like they lose a key piece to injury) it’s going to be hard for them to catch the dregs of the league and wind up with 6th worst or better. 12-14 is my guess, anything better than that is gravy.
whats so bad about 7 or 8? That may be the perfect spot. We get a decent chance to jump without a heavy chance of it going #1. Worst case is we stay put and get a heck of a player at that area.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 06, 2019, 03:05:31 PM
it took me 7 tries on tankathon, landed #2

8 to 3 in 2017 before pick swap, 7 to 2 last year  :P

7 is where they finished last year, but 9th last year only won 29 games before a 6 game jump to 10th...  :o

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Silky on January 06, 2019, 03:55:43 PM
Honestly 5 or 6 and a pick around 12 to 14 is a perfect situation.

That can be used to move up through consolidation imo.

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on January 07, 2019, 02:17:20 AM
Super soft part of the schedule coming up for Sacto:

Orlando
Phoenix
Detroit
Charlotte

That Suns game is in Phoenix which helps - Suns will be hungry. Especially now that their losing streak is getting out of hand.

Life gets much tougher after that:

4 game Eastern road trip
Directly followed by away games at the Clips, then Memphis.

Then a 6-game home stretch - 3 teams in that lot are playoff heavyweights.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on January 07, 2019, 10:04:54 AM
10 tries and got #4

www.Tankathon.com
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: 10610786d on January 07, 2019, 10:28:26 AM
7-8 best case scenario?

Yeah, I think even if they tumble hard (like they lose a key piece to injury) it’s going to be hard for them to catch the dregs of the league and wind up with 6th worst or better. 12-14 is my guess, anything better than that is gravy.
whats so bad about 7 or 8? That may be the perfect spot. We get a decent chance to jump without a heavy chance of it going #1. Worst case is we stay put and get a heck of a player at that area.

Sometimes this is all it takes to make sure GM's don't overthink and draft the real steal of the draft.

The Kings' own crown jewel - De'Aaron Fox - was drafted 5th overall.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on January 07, 2019, 12:08:39 PM
Raise your hand if you still get agitated every time you see Brooklyn win, only to then think, "oh, yeah..."

Mike
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on January 07, 2019, 02:15:29 PM
Super soft part of the schedule coming up for Sacto:

Orlando
Phoenix
Detroit
Charlotte

That Suns game is in Phoenix which helps - Suns will be hungry. Especially now that their losing streak is getting out of hand.

Life gets much tougher after that:

4 game Eastern road trip
Directly followed by away games at the Clips, then Memphis.

Then a 6-game home stretch - 3 teams in that lot are playoff heavyweights.

I think the good news is that the teams around SAC also seem to be heating up themselves (like Utah, MIN, etc.). Hopefully they go 2-2 in this stretch although I expect 3-1. 4-0 may be brutal though...
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on January 07, 2019, 02:45:12 PM
Raise your hand if you still get agitated every time you see Brooklyn win, only to then think, "oh, yeah..."

Mike
haha same. We’ve been monitoring them for half a decade so it’s no surprise we can’t stop thinking about them
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Sophomore on January 07, 2019, 03:09:41 PM
7-8 best case scenario?

Yeah, I think even if they tumble hard (like they lose a key piece to injury) it’s going to be hard for them to catch the dregs of the league and wind up with 6th worst or better. 12-14 is my guess, anything better than that is gravy.
whats so bad about 7 or 8? That may be the perfect spot. We get a decent chance to jump without a heavy chance of it going #1. Worst case is we stay put and get a heck of a player at that area.

I’m not going to complain about the 7th or 8th pick!! Just saying the gap between 7 and the rest is already pretty big and likely to grow.  So I don’t expect more lottery balls than that, even if all goes well.

I think if you wanted to set the over-under bet, the line should be around 10.5 or 11.5. My heart wants them 10th in the draft or higher, my head says they’ll be bumping up against the playoffs, so 11th-14th.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on January 07, 2019, 03:14:30 PM
7-8 best case scenario?

Yeah, I think even if they tumble hard (like they lose a key piece to injury) it’s going to be hard for them to catch the dregs of the league and wind up with 6th worst or better. 12-14 is my guess, anything better than that is gravy.
whats so bad about 7 or 8? That may be the perfect spot. We get a decent chance to jump without a heavy chance of it going #1. Worst case is we stay put and get a heck of a player at that area.

I’m not going to complain about the 7th or 8th pick!! Just saying the gap between 7 and the rest is already pretty big and likely to grow.  So I don’t expect more lottery balls than that, even if all goes well.

I think if you wanted to set the over-under bet, the line should be around 10.5 or 11.5. My heart wants them 10th in the draft or higher, my head says they’ll be bumping up against the playoffs, so 11th-14th.
haha true I misread it
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: konkmv on January 07, 2019, 03:41:13 PM
Even if we get 4 picks i doubt we keep them... danny will try to move up
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on January 07, 2019, 05:25:32 PM
I'm not too worried what DA will do with all these picks. It's free money right now he's playing with.
We got Tatum + Sacto pick for Fultz. Anyone complaining about Sacto not finishing in the top 5 this year shouldn't.
We got the Memphis pick, which could be top 9 this year, top 7 next year or unprotected the following season in the Jeff Green trade (not a typo).
We got the Clippers first rounder that falls out of the lottery in the Deyonta Davis trade.
It's fun so far following the stock market, ahem, the NBA standings.
Even though this draft isn't looking good right now, we could get lucky and end up with some sliders due to health issues or someone like Kevin Porter Jr with the Kings pick. That's just extra gravy fellas.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on January 08, 2019, 11:27:29 PM
Super soft part of the schedule coming up for Sacto:

Orlando
Phoenix
Detroit
Charlotte

That Suns game is in Phoenix which helps - Suns will be hungry. Especially now that their losing streak is getting out of hand.

Life gets much tougher after that:

4 game Eastern road trip
Directly followed by away games at the Clips, then Memphis.

Then a 6-game home stretch - 3 teams in that lot are playoff heavyweights.

Just qtf myself there.. hehe. Oubre is relishing the increased role.

Ryan Anderson playing zero minutes is weird. Phoenix trying to tank already and failing.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Emmette Bryant on January 08, 2019, 11:28:04 PM
Phoenix without Booker beats the Kings 115-111
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 08, 2019, 11:36:58 PM
Shout-out to Kelly Oubre, and also WCS for missing those FTs
Fouling up three paid off...  :D

Record 20-21, tied for 12th with MIN and UTA
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: perks-a-beast on January 08, 2019, 11:55:46 PM
We need the kings to keep losing because I’m starting to doubt that Grizzlies pick will convey, its top 8 protected and they’re looking real bad.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: RodyTur10 on January 09, 2019, 05:40:58 AM
Phoenix without Booker beats the Kings 115-111

Very nice. Teams in the East are so bad that I think the pick could drop at best to 8-10 (before the lottery).

Today in the Eastern Conference all teams (except the top 5) have lost their last game!

There's an imaginary wall between the 5 good teams and the rest. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: adam8 on January 09, 2019, 06:11:33 AM
We need the kings to keep losing because I’m starting to doubt that Grizzlies pick will convey, its top 8 protected and they’re looking real bad.
Grizzlies pick is right where we want it, rolling over would be fantastic in my opinion but if we do get it this year we need it to be top ten we have so many picks another teens pick does little to move the needle.

If that Griz pick rolls over I think all of a sudden it becomes more than a throw in to an AD deal but becomes a pretty big asset, maybe one that allows us to substitute Tatum with a Brown and Williams, especially if the Kings pick could get into the 10 area. Depends if the Pelicans have interest in a 5 year full rebuild or if they want a quick reshuffle and try to make the playoffs in 2-3.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: footey on January 09, 2019, 08:08:50 AM
We need the kings to keep losing because I’m starting to doubt that Grizzlies pick will convey, its top 8 protected and they’re looking real bad.
Grizzlies pick is right where we want it, rolling over would be fantastic in my opinion but if we do get it this year we need it to be top ten we have so many picks another teens pick does little to move the needle.

If that Griz pick rolls over I think all of a sudden it becomes more than a throw in to an AD deal but becomes a pretty big asset, maybe one that allows us to substitute Tatum with a Brown and Williams, especially if the Kings pick could get into the 10 area. Depends if the Pelicans have interest in a 5 year full rebuild or if they want a quick reshuffle and try to make the playoffs in 2-3.
I’d rather trade Tatum than Brown plus Williams.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Birdman on January 09, 2019, 10:55:07 AM
Kings trying to get Enes Katner
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on January 09, 2019, 11:03:29 AM
Season half over and the Kings are 20-21. Really impressive for them.

The positive for us is that in the West, that still puts them in the lottery.

The other good news is that they've lost 5 of their last 6 and maybe this is the tumble a lot of us have been expecting. This is the part of a long NBA season where one might expect a young team to start losing some focus. Hopefully that's what we see and the pick winds up in the top 8.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on January 09, 2019, 12:21:44 PM
Season half over and the Kings are 20-21. Really impressive for them.

The positive for us is that in the West, that still puts them in the lottery.

The other good news is that they've lost 5 of their last 6 and maybe this is the tumble a lot of us have been expecting. This is the part of a long NBA season where one might expect a young team to start losing some focus. Hopefully that's what we see and the pick winds up in the top 8.
we can hope especially with the loss to the Suns.  That was the one game they've lost where you question the loss a bit. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: A Future of Stevens on January 09, 2019, 12:25:04 PM
We need the kings to keep losing because I’m starting to doubt that Grizzlies pick will convey, its top 8 protected and they’re looking real bad.
Grizzlies pick is right where we want it, rolling over would be fantastic in my opinion but if we do get it this year we need it to be top ten we have so many picks another teens pick does little to move the needle.

If that Griz pick rolls over I think all of a sudden it becomes more than a throw in to an AD deal but becomes a pretty big asset, maybe one that allows us to substitute Tatum with a Brown and Williams, especially if the Kings pick could get into the 10 area. Depends if the Pelicans have interest in a 5 year full rebuild or if they want a quick reshuffle and try to make the playoffs in 2-3.
I’d rather trade Tatum than Brown plus Williams.
I feel like Williams becomes pretty expendable if we got Davis. This means its trading Jaylen or Tatum from our perspective. So even though I consider myself the leader of the Jaylen brown fan club, I would still rather move Jaylen if we got to keep Tatum.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: apc on January 09, 2019, 12:46:08 PM
Kings trying to get Enes Katner
Just saw that on twitter, aren't they loaded upfront?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on January 09, 2019, 12:52:43 PM
Season half over and the Kings are 20-21. Really impressive for them.

The positive for us is that in the West, that still puts them in the lottery.

The other good news is that they've lost 5 of their last 6 and maybe this is the tumble a lot of us have been expecting. This is the part of a long NBA season where one might expect a young team to start losing some focus. Hopefully that's what we see and the pick winds up in the top 8.
we can hope especially with the loss to the Suns.  That was the one game they've lost where you question the loss a bit.

Especially since Booker didn’t play for the Suns.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Emmette Bryant on January 09, 2019, 12:56:35 PM
Kings trying to get Enes Katner
Just saw that on twitter, aren't they loaded upfront?

I think that Vlade's answer to every problem is to bring in another big.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: footey on January 09, 2019, 01:06:31 PM
We need the kings to keep losing because I’m starting to doubt that Grizzlies pick will convey, its top 8 protected and they’re looking real bad.
Grizzlies pick is right where we want it, rolling over would be fantastic in my opinion but if we do get it this year we need it to be top ten we have so many picks another teens pick does little to move the needle.

If that Griz pick rolls over I think all of a sudden it becomes more than a throw in to an AD deal but becomes a pretty big asset, maybe one that allows us to substitute Tatum with a Brown and Williams, especially if the Kings pick could get into the 10 area. Depends if the Pelicans have interest in a 5 year full rebuild or if they want a quick reshuffle and try to make the playoffs in 2-3.
I’d rather trade Tatum than Brown plus Williams.
I feel like Williams becomes pretty expendable if we got Davis. This means its trading Jaylen or Tatum from our perspective. So even though I consider myself the leader of the Jaylen brown fan club, I would still rather move Jaylen if we got to keep Tatum.

I would not be so glib.  Williams has great upside especially on the defensive end.  Especially as Horford gets older. And it's not like we will have a shortage of scoring, with Kyrie and Davis getting 45-50/Per Game, you still have Horford, Hayward, Brown and bench filler to supplement.  I'm not as high on Tatum's upside as others here. I frankly still think the jury is out as to who will be a better overall player in the NBA long term, Tatum or Brown. Brown's biggest drawback is his poor free throw shooting. I could see Danny wanting to hold onto Williams, the way he insisted on keeping Rondo during the KG trade with Minn.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on January 09, 2019, 01:18:03 PM
kings have a 6 game road trip coming up through the east coast. Games against Toronto, Detroit, Clippers and Brooklyn. I think I will finally make my decision on where they will end up after that road trip. In the mean time would really like them to lose at least one of their three upcoming home games. This sun game was a bonus.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on January 09, 2019, 01:43:17 PM
Season half over and the Kings are 20-21. Really impressive for them.

The positive for us is that in the West, that still puts them in the lottery.

The other good news is that they've lost 5 of their last 6 and maybe this is the tumble a lot of us have been expecting. This is the part of a long NBA season where one might expect a young team to start losing some focus. Hopefully that's what we see and the pick winds up in the top 8.
we can hope especially with the loss to the Suns.  That was the one game they've lost where you question the loss a bit.

Especially since Booker didn’t play for the Suns.
I haven't watched many Suns games, but in some ways they are better without Booker's ball dominance and terrible defense (I know they are still slightly better with him in statistically, but just a feel watching games).
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on January 09, 2019, 01:44:35 PM
We need the kings to keep losing because I’m starting to doubt that Grizzlies pick will convey, its top 8 protected and they’re looking real bad.
Grizzlies pick is right where we want it, rolling over would be fantastic in my opinion but if we do get it this year we need it to be top ten we have so many picks another teens pick does little to move the needle.

If that Griz pick rolls over I think all of a sudden it becomes more than a throw in to an AD deal but becomes a pretty big asset, maybe one that allows us to substitute Tatum with a Brown and Williams, especially if the Kings pick could get into the 10 area. Depends if the Pelicans have interest in a 5 year full rebuild or if they want a quick reshuffle and try to make the playoffs in 2-3.
I’d rather trade Tatum than Brown plus Williams.
I feel like Williams becomes pretty expendable if we got Davis. This means its trading Jaylen or Tatum from our perspective. So even though I consider myself the leader of the Jaylen brown fan club, I would still rather move Jaylen if we got to keep Tatum.

I would not be so glib.  Williams has great upside especially on the defensive end.  Especially as Horford gets older. And it's not like we will have a shortage of scoring, with Kyrie and Davis getting 45-50/Per Game, you still have Horford, Hayward, Brown and bench filler to supplement.  I'm not as high on Tatum's upside as others here. I frankly still think the jury is out as to who will be a better overall player in the NBA long term, Tatum or Brown. Brown's biggest drawback is his poor free throw shooting. I could see Danny wanting to hold onto Williams, the way he insisted on keeping Rondo during the KG trade with Minn.
I think Tatum will be better, but from a roster construction standpoint it in many ways would make more sense to keep the SG/SF rather than the SF/PF.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on January 09, 2019, 04:35:38 PM
The Kings last 30 games or so, starting in February, are mostly really tough.  Even watching them and being convinced they're a solid team, they could end up with only 8-12 wins from February until the end.

That's what I keep telling myself in order to stay positive... after giving up on the Lakers pick last season in November.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 09, 2019, 05:09:08 PM
It'll be interesting to see what the Kings do before the trade deadline.  Without their pick, they won't be tanking and making the playoffs would be big for them.  Being a young team, taking on vets with big long-term contracts (e.g. Love) probably doesn't make sense for them.   They have 4 very desirable expiring contracts:  Z-Bo (11.7M), Shumpert (11M), Koufos (8.7M) and McLemore (5.5M) for teams looking to reduce their salary tax or dump a longer term contract.  They'll have more than 50M in cap space next offseason with only Willie Cauley-Stein as a restricted free agent to re-sign.  However their chances of signing good free agent(s) is low and they'd most likely overpay for mediocre free agents. 



Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on January 09, 2019, 05:29:23 PM
kings have a 6 game road trip coming up through the east coast. Games against Toronto, Detroit, Clippers and Brooklyn. I think I will finally make my decision on where they will end up after that road trip. In the mean time would really like them to lose at least one of their three upcoming home games. This sun game was a bonus.

I think that they could easily lose two of them.

Mike
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on January 09, 2019, 05:37:49 PM
It'll be interesting to see what the Kings do before the trade deadline.  Without their pick, they won't be tanking and making the playoffs would be big for them.  Being a young team, taking on vets with big long-term contracts (e.g. Love) probably doesn't make sense for them.   They have 4 very desirable expiring contracts:  Z-Bo (11.7M), Shumpert (11M), Koufos (8.7M) and McLemore (5.5M) for teams looking to reduce their salary tax or dump a longer term contract.  They'll have more than 50M in cap space next offseason with only Willie Cauley-Stein as a restricted free agent to re-sign.  However their chances of signing good free agent(s) is low and they'd most likely overpay for mediocre free agents.

Unfortunately for them, it is speculated (nice read on the ringer today) it may be one of the lighter trading deadlines ever because of how jumbled the standings are and just about every team being in competition for a playoff spot (probably every team outside of phoenix thinks they could still make it in the west, 11 teams probably still think they could in the east). So in addition to less sellers, more buyers. I am not sure they get excited about too many people on the trading block right now either. Kanter, Jr Smith? Courtney Lee? Maybe there will be a surprise guy traded but hard to see big impact players.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Roy H. on January 09, 2019, 06:18:24 PM
Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski

@wojespn
 New York and Sacramento discussing an Enes Kanter-Zach Randolph trade of expiring contracts, but nothing close yet, league sources tell ESPN. Kings would want to send out more expirings in a deal. A third team could be helpful.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on January 09, 2019, 06:33:55 PM
Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski

@wojespn
 New York and Sacramento discussing an Enes Kanter-Zach Randolph trade of expiring contracts, but nothing close yet, league sources tell ESPN. Kings would want to send out more expirings in a deal. A third team could be helpful.

lol

The Kings don't have enough centers in their rotation, they have to upgrade.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 09, 2019, 07:00:24 PM
It'll be interesting to see what the Kings do before the trade deadline.  Without their pick, they won't be tanking and making the playoffs would be big for them.  Being a young team, taking on vets with big long-term contracts (e.g. Love) probably doesn't make sense for them.   They have 4 very desirable expiring contracts:  Z-Bo (11.7M), Shumpert (11M), Koufos (8.7M) and McLemore (5.5M) for teams looking to reduce their salary tax or dump a longer term contract.  They'll have more than 50M in cap space next offseason with only Willie Cauley-Stein as a restricted free agent to re-sign.  However their chances of signing good free agent(s) is low and they'd most likely overpay for mediocre free agents.

Unfortunately for them, it is speculated (nice read on the ringer today) it may be one of the lighter trading deadlines ever because of how jumbled the standings are and just about every team being in competition for a playoff spot (probably every team outside of phoenix thinks they could still make it in the west, 11 teams probably still think they could in the east). So in addition to less sellers, more buyers. I am not sure they get excited about too many people on the trading block right now either. Kanter, Jr Smith? Courtney Lee? Maybe there will be a surprise guy traded but hard to see big impact players.
I agree but even if a big impact player becomes available the Kings don't really have the assets to go after him. 
I'm thinking more of a modest player on a "not good" contract (e.g. Porter).   Porter has been coming off the bench the last 4 games although that may be because he's coming back from injury.  Would the Wizards give him up in a salary dump?   They also have Mahinmi's bad contract.  Would the Wizards do Porter, Mahinmi and a modestly protected 1st (e.g. top 3 protected 2019, top 1 protected 2020+) for expirings?   They could get under the tax line for this season and freeing up 43M could make them a player in the offseason. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 09, 2019, 07:15:52 PM
Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski

@wojespn
 New York and Sacramento discussing an Enes Kanter-Zach Randolph trade of expiring contracts, but nothing close yet, league sources tell ESPN. Kings would want to send out more expirings in a deal. A third team could be helpful.
That seems like a dumb use of expirings for the Kings.  They need wings not bigs.  They are the 2nd fastest team in pace.  Several weeks ago, there was contention between the coach and front office that Bagley wasn't getting enough playing time.  So Kanter doesn't seem like a good fit and its doubtful that he moves the needle on making the playoffs.  At the very least they should wait until closer to the trade deadline to see if anything better comes along. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on January 10, 2019, 12:44:17 AM
Good day for pick

This  can jump from 12 to 10 if:
- dallas wins their next game and
-either NO win or Sac lose their next games


Jumps to 9 if all of the above happen and:
-memphis wins their next game
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on January 10, 2019, 12:47:07 AM
I predict Sacramento finishes with 32-35 wins.

I’d be happy if they finished 12th in the West, but they could be 13th behind Memphis and Phoenix if everything breaks right.

The question is, how many of the East lottery teams will be worse?

All of them??
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on January 10, 2019, 01:17:55 AM
I predict Sacramento finishes with 32-35 wins.

I’d be happy if they finished 12th in the West, but they could be 13th behind Memphis and Phoenix if everything breaks right.

The question is, how many of the East lottery teams will be worse?

All of them??

Feels like the dogfight for Zion is going to start any second.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 10, 2019, 01:22:08 AM
I predict Sacramento finishes with 32-35 wins.

I’d be happy if they finished 12th in the West, but they could be 13th behind Memphis and Phoenix if everything breaks right.

I recently predicted 18th pick (#8 seed) in the prediction thread  ;D
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: RodyTur10 on January 10, 2019, 01:46:48 PM
Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski

@wojespn
 New York and Sacramento discussing an Enes Kanter-Zach Randolph trade of expiring contracts, but nothing close yet, league sources tell ESPN. Kings would want to send out more expirings in a deal. A third team could be helpful.
That seems like a dumb use of expirings for the Kings.  They need wings not bigs.  They are the 2nd fastest team in pace.  Several weeks ago, there was contention between the coach and front office that Bagley wasn't getting enough playing time.  So Kanter doesn't seem like a good fit and its doubtful that he moves the needle on making the playoffs.  At the very least they should wait until closer to the trade deadline to see if anything better comes along.

I don't understand why a trade for Porter hasn't been made yet. Apparently the Wizards weren't keen on offloading Wall, so to get cap relief it's obviously Porter who'll need to go. Sacramento has the expirings and could maybe give up a small asset for him. For Sacramento it's an expensive contract, but it's unlikely that someone better will sign with them and Porter fits with their team and time window.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: A Future of Stevens on January 10, 2019, 02:06:08 PM
We need the kings to keep losing because I’m starting to doubt that Grizzlies pick will convey, its top 8 protected and they’re looking real bad.
Grizzlies pick is right where we want it, rolling over would be fantastic in my opinion but if we do get it this year we need it to be top ten we have so many picks another teens pick does little to move the needle.

If that Griz pick rolls over I think all of a sudden it becomes more than a throw in to an AD deal but becomes a pretty big asset, maybe one that allows us to substitute Tatum with a Brown and Williams, especially if the Kings pick could get into the 10 area. Depends if the Pelicans have interest in a 5 year full rebuild or if they want a quick reshuffle and try to make the playoffs in 2-3.
I’d rather trade Tatum than Brown plus Williams.
I feel like Williams becomes pretty expendable if we got Davis. This means its trading Jaylen or Tatum from our perspective. So even though I consider myself the leader of the Jaylen brown fan club, I would still rather move Jaylen if we got to keep Tatum.

I would not be so glib.  Williams has great upside especially on the defensive end.  Especially as Horford gets older. And it's not like we will have a shortage of scoring, with Kyrie and Davis getting 45-50/Per Game, you still have Horford, Hayward, Brown and bench filler to supplement.  I'm not as high on Tatum's upside as others here. I frankly still think the jury is out as to who will be a better overall player in the NBA long term, Tatum or Brown. Brown's biggest drawback is his poor free throw shooting. I could see Danny wanting to hold onto Williams, the way he insisted on keeping Rondo during the KG trade with Minn.

I wasn't trying to be glib. I also am pretty high on Williams, but I view him as a Center. I also view Davis as a center. I feel like we are wasting a valuable asset in Williams if we try to force him out of his position, or only give him Davis' leftovers.

A similar argument can be made about Tatum and Brown. While theoretically Brown fits between a kyrie/ad/hayward trio better than Tatum, most around the league believe Tatum is the superior product. He has more value than Brown, and thats just how it is.

If we do end up trading for AD, I would love to keep one of Tatum or Brown. Both would fit a different but integral role on our hypothetical contender.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: adam8 on January 10, 2019, 02:19:33 PM
We need the kings to keep losing because I’m starting to doubt that Grizzlies pick will convey, its top 8 protected and they’re looking real bad.
Grizzlies pick is right where we want it, rolling over would be fantastic in my opinion but if we do get it this year we need it to be top ten we have so many picks another teens pick does little to move the needle.

If that Griz pick rolls over I think all of a sudden it becomes more than a throw in to an AD deal but becomes a pretty big asset, maybe one that allows us to substitute Tatum with a Brown and Williams, especially if the Kings pick could get into the 10 area. Depends if the Pelicans have interest in a 5 year full rebuild or if they want a quick reshuffle and try to make the playoffs in 2-3.
I’d rather trade Tatum than Brown plus Williams.
I feel like Williams becomes pretty expendable if we got Davis. This means its trading Jaylen or Tatum from our perspective. So even though I consider myself the leader of the Jaylen brown fan club, I would still rather move Jaylen if we got to keep Tatum.

I would not be so glib.  Williams has great upside especially on the defensive end.  Especially as Horford gets older. And it's not like we will have a shortage of scoring, with Kyrie and Davis getting 45-50/Per Game, you still have Horford, Hayward, Brown and bench filler to supplement.  I'm not as high on Tatum's upside as others here. I frankly still think the jury is out as to who will be a better overall player in the NBA long term, Tatum or Brown. Brown's biggest drawback is his poor free throw shooting. I could see Danny wanting to hold onto Williams, the way he insisted on keeping Rondo during the KG trade with Minn.

I wasn't trying to be glib. I also am pretty high on Williams, but I view him as a Center. I also view Davis as a center. I feel like we are wasting a valuable asset in Williams if we try to force him out of his position, or only give him Davis' leftovers.

A similar argument can be made about Tatum and Brown. While theoretically Brown fits between a kyrie/ad/hayward trio better than Tatum, most around the league believe Tatum is the superior product. He has more value than Brown, and thats just how it is.

If we do end up trading for AD, I would love to keep one of Tatum or Brown. Both would fit a different but integral role on our hypothetical contender.

I agree with you here hard to play both together and fully utilize AD, with Williams on the floor AD would be forced to be more of a floor spacer because you can't run the pick and roll with AD the other big man defender is in the paint.

 I definitely don't see Williams as just a throw in to an AD package, I think he is a solid asset and could definitely become a force on both ends of the floor if he learns the game. With that said I try to do everything I can to keep Tatum in a trade for AD.

And as much as I love Brown, i haven't seen enough of an improvement in the last 16 months to believe he will be anything other than a great athletic 3+D guy, no knock on that every team needs that guy and he is better than most but Tatum has top 10 potential and when you can get three top 10 guys on your team you do it.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Silky on January 10, 2019, 03:04:40 PM
We need the kings to keep losing because I’m starting to doubt that Grizzlies pick will convey, its top 8 protected and they’re looking real bad.
Grizzlies pick is right where we want it, rolling over would be fantastic in my opinion but if we do get it this year we need it to be top ten we have so many picks another teens pick does little to move the needle.

If that Griz pick rolls over I think all of a sudden it becomes more than a throw in to an AD deal but becomes a pretty big asset, maybe one that allows us to substitute Tatum with a Brown and Williams, especially if the Kings pick could get into the 10 area. Depends if the Pelicans have interest in a 5 year full rebuild or if they want a quick reshuffle and try to make the playoffs in 2-3.
I’d rather trade Tatum than Brown plus Williams.
I feel like Williams becomes pretty expendable if we got Davis. This means its trading Jaylen or Tatum from our perspective. So even though I consider myself the leader of the Jaylen brown fan club, I would still rather move Jaylen if we got to keep Tatum.

I would not be so glib.  Williams has great upside especially on the defensive end.  Especially as Horford gets older. And it's not like we will have a shortage of scoring, with Kyrie and Davis getting 45-50/Per Game, you still have Horford, Hayward, Brown and bench filler to supplement.  I'm not as high on Tatum's upside as others here. I frankly still think the jury is out as to who will be a better overall player in the NBA long term, Tatum or Brown. Brown's biggest drawback is his poor free throw shooting. I could see Danny wanting to hold onto Williams, the way he insisted on keeping Rondo during the KG trade with Minn.

I wasn't trying to be glib. I also am pretty high on Williams, but I view him as a Center. I also view Davis as a center. I feel like we are wasting a valuable asset in Williams if we try to force him out of his position, or only give him Davis' leftovers.

A similar argument can be made about Tatum and Brown. While theoretically Brown fits between a kyrie/ad/hayward trio better than Tatum, most around the league believe Tatum is the superior product. He has more value than Brown, and thats just how it is.

If we do end up trading for AD, I would love to keep one of Tatum or Brown. Both would fit a different but integral role on our hypothetical contender.

I agree with you here hard to play both together and fully utilize AD, with Williams on the floor AD would be forced to be more of a floor spacer because you can't run the pick and roll with AD the other big man defender is in the paint.

 I definitely don't see Williams as just a throw in to an AD package, I think he is a solid asset and could definitely become a force on both ends of the floor if he learns the game. With that said I try to do everything I can to keep Tatum in a trade for AD.

And as much as I love Brown, i haven't seen enough of an improvement in the last 16 months to believe he will be anything other than a great athletic 3+D guy, no knock on that every team needs that guy and he is better than most but Tatum has top 10 potential and when you can get three top 10 guys on your team you do it.

I know I may be in the minority, but Im not sure I see top 10 player potential in Tatum either.

His offense has been inefficient and predictable.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on January 10, 2019, 04:42:59 PM
We need the kings to keep losing because I’m starting to doubt that Grizzlies pick will convey, its top 8 protected and they’re looking real bad.
Grizzlies pick is right where we want it, rolling over would be fantastic in my opinion but if we do get it this year we need it to be top ten we have so many picks another teens pick does little to move the needle.

If that Griz pick rolls over I think all of a sudden it becomes more than a throw in to an AD deal but becomes a pretty big asset, maybe one that allows us to substitute Tatum with a Brown and Williams, especially if the Kings pick could get into the 10 area. Depends if the Pelicans have interest in a 5 year full rebuild or if they want a quick reshuffle and try to make the playoffs in 2-3.
I’d rather trade Tatum than Brown plus Williams.
I feel like Williams becomes pretty expendable if we got Davis. This means its trading Jaylen or Tatum from our perspective. So even though I consider myself the leader of the Jaylen brown fan club, I would still rather move Jaylen if we got to keep Tatum.

I would not be so glib.  Williams has great upside especially on the defensive end.  Especially as Horford gets older. And it's not like we will have a shortage of scoring, with Kyrie and Davis getting 45-50/Per Game, you still have Horford, Hayward, Brown and bench filler to supplement.  I'm not as high on Tatum's upside as others here. I frankly still think the jury is out as to who will be a better overall player in the NBA long term, Tatum or Brown. Brown's biggest drawback is his poor free throw shooting. I could see Danny wanting to hold onto Williams, the way he insisted on keeping Rondo during the KG trade with Minn.

I wasn't trying to be glib. I also am pretty high on Williams, but I view him as a Center. I also view Davis as a center. I feel like we are wasting a valuable asset in Williams if we try to force him out of his position, or only give him Davis' leftovers.

A similar argument can be made about Tatum and Brown. While theoretically Brown fits between a kyrie/ad/hayward trio better than Tatum, most around the league believe Tatum is the superior product. He has more value than Brown, and thats just how it is.

If we do end up trading for AD, I would love to keep one of Tatum or Brown. Both would fit a different but integral role on our hypothetical contender.

I agree with you here hard to play both together and fully utilize AD, with Williams on the floor AD would be forced to be more of a floor spacer because you can't run the pick and roll with AD the other big man defender is in the paint.

 I definitely don't see Williams as just a throw in to an AD package, I think he is a solid asset and could definitely become a force on both ends of the floor if he learns the game. With that said I try to do everything I can to keep Tatum in a trade for AD.

And as much as I love Brown, i haven't seen enough of an improvement in the last 16 months to believe he will be anything other than a great athletic 3+D guy, no knock on that every team needs that guy and he is better than most but Tatum has top 10 potential and when you can get three top 10 guys on your team you do it.

I know I may be in the minority, but Im not sure I see top 10 player potential in Tatum either.

His offense has been inefficient and predictable.
That isn’t quite true though. His offensive efficiency isn’t as stellar as it was least season, but his splits of 45/37/85 are still very respectable for a 20 year old averaging 16+PPG. The potential is still there for sure. Maybe not top 10, but top 15-20 no doubt.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 10, 2019, 09:29:43 PM
Blake Griffin’s sitting out tonight (rest), SEGABABA
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on January 11, 2019, 05:36:56 AM
Halfway though the season the Kings are now slotted for 13 in the lottery.  I looked at the rest of the Kings schedule which is pretty tough.  I’m predicting 13 more wins so they will have 34 on the season.  If some of the teams 6 through 12 that have between 17 and 20 wins stay at least at their current pace we should finish somewhere in the 6 to 10 range.

I would be happy with that, but we need a little luck to start going our way.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: adam8 on January 11, 2019, 06:10:27 AM
We need the kings to keep losing because I’m starting to doubt that Grizzlies pick will convey, its top 8 protected and they’re looking real bad.
Grizzlies pick is right where we want it, rolling over would be fantastic in my opinion but if we do get it this year we need it to be top ten we have so many picks another teens pick does little to move the needle.

If that Griz pick rolls over I think all of a sudden it becomes more than a throw in to an AD deal but becomes a pretty big asset, maybe one that allows us to substitute Tatum with a Brown and Williams, especially if the Kings pick could get into the 10 area. Depends if the Pelicans have interest in a 5 year full rebuild or if they want a quick reshuffle and try to make the playoffs in 2-3.
I’d rather trade Tatum than Brown plus Williams.
I feel like Williams becomes pretty expendable if we got Davis. This means its trading Jaylen or Tatum from our perspective. So even though I consider myself the leader of the Jaylen brown fan club, I would still rather move Jaylen if we got to keep Tatum.

I would not be so glib.  Williams has great upside especially on the defensive end.  Especially as Horford gets older. And it's not like we will have a shortage of scoring, with Kyrie and Davis getting 45-50/Per Game, you still have Horford, Hayward, Brown and bench filler to supplement.  I'm not as high on Tatum's upside as others here. I frankly still think the jury is out as to who will be a better overall player in the NBA long term, Tatum or Brown. Brown's biggest drawback is his poor free throw shooting. I could see Danny wanting to hold onto Williams, the way he insisted on keeping Rondo during the KG trade with Minn.

I wasn't trying to be glib. I also am pretty high on Williams, but I view him as a Center. I also view Davis as a center. I feel like we are wasting a valuable asset in Williams if we try to force him out of his position, or only give him Davis' leftovers.

A similar argument can be made about Tatum and Brown. While theoretically Brown fits between a kyrie/ad/hayward trio better than Tatum, most around the league believe Tatum is the superior product. He has more value than Brown, and thats just how it is.

If we do end up trading for AD, I would love to keep one of Tatum or Brown. Both would fit a different but integral role on our hypothetical contender.

I agree with you here hard to play both together and fully utilize AD, with Williams on the floor AD would be forced to be more of a floor spacer because you can't run the pick and roll with AD the other big man defender is in the paint.

 I definitely don't see Williams as just a throw in to an AD package, I think he is a solid asset and could definitely become a force on both ends of the floor if he learns the game. With that said I try to do everything I can to keep Tatum in a trade for AD.

And as much as I love Brown, i haven't seen enough of an improvement in the last 16 months to believe he will be anything other than a great athletic 3+D guy, no knock on that every team needs that guy and he is better than most but Tatum has top 10 potential and when you can get three top 10 guys on your team you do it.

I know I may be in the minority, but Im not sure I see top 10 player potential in Tatum either.

His offense has been inefficient and predictable.
That isn’t quite true though. His offensive efficiency isn’t as stellar as it was least season, but his splits of 45/37/85 are still very respectable for a 20 year old averaging 16+PPG. The potential is still there for sure. Maybe not top 10, but top 15-20 no doubt.
I think there is a good and a bad that goes along with those numbers, he takes a lot of long tough 2s in ISO, the good here is that he has good shooting splits still even though he takes tougher shots that your average 16ppg scorer, but that is also the bad news he should be able to get better looks being that he isn't the #1 option.

I choose to take that as a positive, he can make tough shots and get his shot off on anyone which is what you need to be a top 10 player, without the talent on our team I think he would be averaging 19-23ppg with similar shooting numbers then you are talking about a future star.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on January 11, 2019, 06:43:09 AM
Halfway though the season the Kings are now slotted for 13 in the lottery.  I looked at the rest of the Kings schedule which is pretty tough.  I’m predicting 13 more wins so they will have 34 on the season.  If some of the teams 6 through 12 that have between 17 and 20 wins stay at least at their current pace we should finish somewhere in the 6 to 10 range.

I would be happy with that, but we need a little luck to start going our way.

Yeah, as soon as February starts, their schedule is murder.  I could see them ending the year going 8-24, but more likely they'll get 12-15 wins.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 13, 2019, 12:47:47 AM
SAC (22-21) def. CHA 104-97

currently 13th pick
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on January 13, 2019, 02:45:44 AM
Frustrating to see kings win.

Hope they can slip to 7-10th area by end of season



Just need more wins from mavs, pistons, magic to help
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 15, 2019, 03:34:55 PM
SAC (23-21) def. POR 115-107. POR was on SEGABABA.

T-13th pick with LAL.



Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: RodyTur10 on January 15, 2019, 04:38:18 PM
Sacramento is playing quite well. A lot of talent there with Fox, Hield, Bogdanovic, Jackson, Bagley, Giles and Cauley-Stein, while also having a great cap situation. And Joerger is an excellent coach.

We'll just have to see how management will screw things up again  ;D.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on January 17, 2019, 09:20:15 PM
Hornets beat the kings


Wizards won too. Maybe they can catch up

We desperately need Minnesota, dallas, new Orleans to win some games
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on January 17, 2019, 09:48:21 PM
Hornets beat the kings


Wizards won too. Maybe they can catch up

We desperately need Minnesota, dallas, new Orleans to win some games

New Orleans is finally healthy and would have beat any team in the league besides golden state last night i think. I expect them to win (and they can't afford to not try to win as much as possible, probably buyers).
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: nickagneta on January 17, 2019, 09:57:53 PM
So, is it fair to say that Sacramento won the DMC trade to New Orleans?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on January 17, 2019, 10:23:21 PM
So, is it fair to say that Sacramento won the DMC trade to New Orleans?
Only until we find out Buddy Hield is actually 30 and he's retired by 2025 ;)

But yeah, I think that's fair to say for sure
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on January 17, 2019, 11:02:06 PM
So, is it fair to say that Sacramento won the DMC trade to New Orleans?

Great find.

So the final accounting is: Hield, Justin Jackson, Giles, and Frank Mason for Casspi and Cousins (Galloway and Evans should also be in there on the Sac incoming list, but they walked in free agency). Is that right?

If so - yeah, that's a win.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on January 18, 2019, 06:20:14 AM
So, is it fair to say that Sacramento won the DMC trade to New Orleans?
Because of the injury sure, but if DMC doesn't get hurt, who knows how that one ends up.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: libermaniac on January 19, 2019, 11:31:10 PM
Buddy Hield with the dagger.  Ugh.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25805050 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25805050)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on January 20, 2019, 10:59:28 AM
Buddy Hield with the dagger.  Ugh.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25805050 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25805050)

It's so hard to root against that team.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on January 20, 2019, 11:33:49 AM
Buddy Hield with the dagger.  Ugh.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25805050 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25805050)

It's so hard to root against that team.
No, it isn't. I root against that team, hard.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Roy H. on January 20, 2019, 11:39:12 AM
Buddy Hield with the dagger.  Ugh.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25805050 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25805050)

Travel.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on January 20, 2019, 11:44:50 AM
Buddy Hield with the dagger.  Ugh.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25805050 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25805050)

Travel.

No such thing.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on January 20, 2019, 11:54:09 AM
Buddy Hield with the dagger.  Ugh.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25805050 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25805050)

Travel.

ha, ha, ha..what a quaint concept.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: moiso on January 20, 2019, 12:16:24 PM
Buddy Hield with the dagger.  Ugh.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25805050 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25805050)

It's so hard to root against that team.
Next year they will be one of my favorite teams.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 20, 2019, 03:38:41 PM
Big shot, props.

Currently 24-22 and 13th pick.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on January 20, 2019, 06:26:00 PM
Buddy Hield with the dagger.  Ugh.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25805050 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25805050)

Travel.

No such thing.

I see only 2 steps.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: footey on January 20, 2019, 06:53:55 PM
Haven’t watched them much this season. What explains their success?

Fox?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 20, 2019, 06:57:08 PM
Buddy Hield with the dagger.  Ugh.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25805050 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25805050)

Travel.

No such thing.


I see only 2 steps.
Same here.  The 1st bounce was not a dribble but resulted from a failure to catch the pass.  Once he controlled the ball, he took a dribble and 2 steps. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Birdman on January 20, 2019, 07:11:25 PM
They surprise me so far
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on January 20, 2019, 07:19:19 PM
Haven’t watched them much this season. What explains their success?

Fox?
Fox and Hield are a big reason, they have both been great, but on a larger issue they are very deep and they use that to play at a very fast pace and can wear teams down. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on January 21, 2019, 12:02:33 AM
Yea fox has taken a huge leap. I still would be shocked if they made the playoffs but they are a solid team and won’t be a bottom 5 team.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on January 21, 2019, 12:13:56 AM
The more important result from this upcoming draft lottery is whether the Memphis pick (and clippers pick) convey to us

If Memphis rolls over to 2020, it was a good result

If both Memphis and clippers roll over, great result.

If memphis rolls over, clips roll over, and kings move up during lottery, best result. Bonus points if that protected 2nd rounder conveys to us


We can still get a great glue bench guy around the 11-14 range if kings stay there...or We can shoot for the stars picking Bol Bol. The big question will be his medical records. Bol will drop, the question is where, and who will roll the dice? 


Without that injury, Bol gets picked anywhere 3 to 6

This is my unpopular opinion- Ainge goes for it and drafts Bol if he's Available.  The "what if" from embiid not sliding to 6th slot in 2014 draft is still there.   Similar injury for similar type of prospect. Wonder if another teams executive also remembers the embiid situation and rolls the dice
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 21, 2019, 12:54:43 AM
The more important result from this upcoming draft lottery is whether the Memphis pick (and clippers pick) convey to us

If Memphis rolls over to 2020, it was a good result

If both Memphis and clippers roll over, great result.

If memphis rolls over, clips roll over, and kings move up during lottery, best result. Bonus points if that protected 2nd rounder conveys to us


We can still get a great glue bench guy around the 11-14 range if kings stay there...or We can shoot for the stars picking Bol Bol. The big question will be his medical records. Bol will drop, the question is where, and who will roll the dice? 


Without that injury, Bol gets picked anywhere 3 to 6

This is my unpopular opinion- Ainge goes for it and drafts Bol if he's Available.  The "what if" from embiid not sliding to 6th slot in 2014 draft is still there.   Similar injury for similar type of prospect. Wonder if another teams executive also remembers the embiid situation and rolls the dice
why do we want the clippers pick rolling over ?  It’s top 14 protected next year as well and if we don’t get it next year it becomes 2nd rounders.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 21, 2019, 12:57:57 AM
The more important result from this upcoming draft lottery is whether the Memphis pick (and clippers pick) convey to us

If Memphis rolls over to 2020, it was a good result

If both Memphis and clippers roll over, great result.

If memphis rolls over, clips roll over, and kings move up during lottery, best result. Bonus points if that protected 2nd rounder conveys to us


We can still get a great glue bench guy around the 11-14 range if kings stay there...or We can shoot for the stars picking Bol Bol. The big question will be his medical records. Bol will drop, the question is where, and who will roll the dice? 


Without that injury, Bol gets picked anywhere 3 to 6

This is my unpopular opinion- Ainge goes for it and drafts Bol if he's Available.  The "what if" from embiid not sliding to 6th slot in 2014 draft is still there.   Similar injury for similar type of prospect. Wonder if another teams executive also remembers the embiid situation and rolls the dice
If the Clippers were to miss the playoffs again next season, we'd only get a 2nd so I'd rather get it this year.  It would probably be around 18 or 19.  Memphis rolling over would be good.  However I was listening to a podcast recently and Sam Vecenie said the 2020 draft class may be even weaker than the 2019 draft class.  He had Bol Bol ranked 14 on his big board due to poor defense and questionable work ethic.  With the limited top end talent in this draft, I expect some team will take a chance on him quite a bit higher as long as his medicals checkout. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on January 21, 2019, 01:09:29 AM
The more important result from this upcoming draft lottery is whether the Memphis pick (and clippers pick) convey to us

If Memphis rolls over to 2020, it was a good result

If both Memphis and clippers roll over, great result.

If memphis rolls over, clips roll over, and kings move up during lottery, best result. Bonus points if that protected 2nd rounder conveys to us


We can still get a great glue bench guy around the 11-14 range if kings stay there...or We can shoot for the stars picking Bol Bol. The big question will be his medical records. Bol will drop, the question is where, and who will roll the dice? 


Without that injury, Bol gets picked anywhere 3 to 6

This is my unpopular opinion- Ainge goes for it and drafts Bol if he's Available.  The "what if" from embiid not sliding to 6th slot in 2014 draft is still there.   Similar injury for similar type of prospect. Wonder if another teams executive also remembers the embiid situation and rolls the dice
why do we want the clippers pick rolling over ?  It’s top 14 protected next year as well and if we don’t get it next year it becomes 2nd rounders.
thx I wasn't familiar with the clips protection

Lets hope it conveys.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on January 21, 2019, 09:43:24 AM
As I've said in the Memphis thread, I'm not so sure that pick rolling over is going to create any greater value.  What if they have a Kings or Nets type turn around when they unload Gasol and Conley for assets.  Or what if they land Zion this year and he is awesome right out the gate and they just keep getting better and better.  The 9th pick this year might end up being the best value that pick ever has. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on January 21, 2019, 02:57:05 PM
As I've said in the Memphis thread, I'm not so sure that pick rolling over is going to create any greater value.  What if they have a Kings or Nets type turn around when they unload Gasol and Conley for assets.  Or what if they land Zion this year and he is awesome right out the gate and they just keep getting better and better.  The 9th pick this year might end up being the best value that pick ever has.

What theoretical trades could you see them getting for Gasol and Conley that would allow them to turn it around next season? Conley has a 32 million dollar contract next year, and I think has 20k guaranteed the following season. He is also 31 so any rebuilding team is not going to want him. Is he even a positive trade asset? Gasol is 34 and has been really lousy the last month plus. If they got expiring contracts and a mid first round pick for either of those guys that would be a steal.

Then what is the rest of their roster that could take a leap? Obviously Jackson is a really nice piece, but I don't even know who their second best young player is? Kyle Anderson at 25? Dillon Brooks? It has to be one of the bleakest situations in the league right now.

Also I am honestly surprised as anyone by the Kings success, but they are at least doing it on the backs of high lottery picks in hield, fox and bagley and another lottery pick in WCS.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: keevsnick on January 21, 2019, 03:27:22 PM
As I've said in the Memphis thread, I'm not so sure that pick rolling over is going to create any greater value.  What if they have a Kings or Nets type turn around when they unload Gasol and Conley for assets.  Or what if they land Zion this year and he is awesome right out the gate and they just keep getting better and better.  The 9th pick this year might end up being the best value that pick ever has.

Thing is both of those turn around actually took years. Kings had to be bad and take high lottery picks to get good again. Nets had to accumulated assets for years. Whatever the Grizzlies get for those guys likely wont help them nextvyear, even most top 3 picks arent huge winners right away. And the west is really good.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on January 21, 2019, 04:18:05 PM
As I've said in the Memphis thread, I'm not so sure that pick rolling over is going to create any greater value.  What if they have a Kings or Nets type turn around when they unload Gasol and Conley for assets.  Or what if they land Zion this year and he is awesome right out the gate and they just keep getting better and better.  The 9th pick this year might end up being the best value that pick ever has.

What theoretical trades could you see them getting for Gasol and Conley that would allow them to turn it around next season? Conley has a 32 million dollar contract next year, and I think has 20k guaranteed the following season. He is also 31 so any rebuilding team is not going to want him. Is he even a positive trade asset? Gasol is 34 and has been really lousy the last month plus. If they got expiring contracts and a mid first round pick for either of those guys that would be a steal.

Then what is the rest of their roster that could take a leap? Obviously Jackson is a really nice piece, but I don't even know who their second best young player is? Kyle Anderson at 25? Dillon Brooks? It has to be one of the bleakest situations in the league right now.

Also I am honestly surprised as anyone by the Kings success, but they are at least doing it on the backs of high lottery picks in hield, fox and bagley and another lottery pick in WCS.
They don't have to turn it around next year as the pick is top 6 protected.  That gives them 2 years to acquire and add assets.  The Kings still had Cousins this time 2 seasons ago.  They turned it around basically in that time as very few players still remain from before that season and they were able to turn it around using the assets from that trade (and they never truly bottomed out and they still owed the Sixers a pick swap). 

So say they trade Gasol at the deadline and pick up a young player and a 1st round pick (not an elite young player, but say WCS quality level), which would be a fairly reasonable trade value wise.  Say they move Conley next summer and pick up another young player and a 2020 1st round pick.  Again that seems like a fairly reasonable trade.  So they would have 2 picks in 2019 and 2 picks in 2020, one of each would be a top 5 pick.  So entering the 20/21 season they would have Jackson, 2 other high level lottery picks, a couple of late 1st rounders, and whatever young players they get for Conley and Gasol.  They could also use their cap space as a dumping ground and pick up other assets.  That is the exact model the Kings followed.  If they do well in the lottery, those other 2 picks could be something like Zion Williamson and Anthony Edwards/Jaden McDaniels/Cole Anthony, put them with Jackson and some other young players, and they have the makings of a team that might still be in the lottery but may not be horrible (much like the Kings this year).

The 15/16 Nets only had 1 player (RHJ) that is currently on their team.  They turned it around very quickly and that is without any top tier lottery picks.  They used their expiring contracts and cap space, to land Russell, and then did very well drafting late in the draft.  They actually now have incentive to tank as they finally own their own picks, and yet they are currently a playoff team. 

There is always the risk on future picks as you just never know what a team will look like 2 seasons from now.  The Nets and Kings both turned it around very quickly by making some smart decisions and quite simply by just acquiring as many assets as they could.  And they both were correcting past blunders in that time (the Kings also wasted a lottery pick on Papa...).  Now maybe Memphis doesn't follow that sort of pattern and they are still terrible in 2 years, but they don't really have the incentive to be terrible in 2021 unless that pick has transferred before then
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on January 21, 2019, 04:47:51 PM
As I've said in the Memphis thread, I'm not so sure that pick rolling over is going to create any greater value.  What if they have a Kings or Nets type turn around when they unload Gasol and Conley for assets.  Or what if they land Zion this year and he is awesome right out the gate and they just keep getting better and better.  The 9th pick this year might end up being the best value that pick ever has.

What theoretical trades could you see them getting for Gasol and Conley that would allow them to turn it around next season? Conley has a 32 million dollar contract next year, and I think has 20k guaranteed the following season. He is also 31 so any rebuilding team is not going to want him. Is he even a positive trade asset? Gasol is 34 and has been really lousy the last month plus. If they got expiring contracts and a mid first round pick for either of those guys that would be a steal.

Then what is the rest of their roster that could take a leap? Obviously Jackson is a really nice piece, but I don't even know who their second best young player is? Kyle Anderson at 25? Dillon Brooks? It has to be one of the bleakest situations in the league right now.

Also I am honestly surprised as anyone by the Kings success, but they are at least doing it on the backs of high lottery picks in hield, fox and bagley and another lottery pick in WCS.
They don't have to turn it around next year as the pick is top 6 protected.  That gives them 2 years to acquire and add assets.  The Kings still had Cousins this time 2 seasons ago.  They turned it around basically in that time as very few players still remain from before that season and they were able to turn it around using the assets from that trade (and they never truly bottomed out and they still owed the Sixers a pick swap). 

So say they trade Gasol at the deadline and pick up a young player and a 1st round pick (not an elite young player, but say WCS quality level), which would be a fairly reasonable trade value wise.  Say they move Conley next summer and pick up another young player and a 2020 1st round pick.  Again that seems like a fairly reasonable trade.  So they would have 2 picks in 2019 and 2 picks in 2020, one of each would be a top 5 pick.  So entering the 20/21 season they would have Jackson, 2 other high level lottery picks, a couple of late 1st rounders, and whatever young players they get for Conley and Gasol.  They could also use their cap space as a dumping ground and pick up other assets.  That is the exact model the Kings followed.  If they do well in the lottery, those other 2 picks could be something like Zion Williamson and Anthony Edwards/Jaden McDaniels/Cole Anthony, put them with Jackson and some other young players, and they have the makings of a team that might still be in the lottery but may not be horrible (much like the Kings this year).

The 15/16 Nets only had 1 player (RHJ) that is currently on their team.  They turned it around very quickly and that is without any top tier lottery picks.  They used their expiring contracts and cap space, to land Russell, and then did very well drafting late in the draft.  They actually now have incentive to tank as they finally own their own picks, and yet they are currently a playoff team. 

There is always the risk on future picks as you just never know what a team will look like 2 seasons from now.  The Nets and Kings both turned it around very quickly by making some smart decisions and quite simply by just acquiring as many assets as they could.  And they both were correcting past blunders in that time (the Kings also wasted a lottery pick on Papa...).  Now maybe Memphis doesn't follow that sort of pattern and they are still terrible in 2 years, but they don't really have the incentive to be terrible in 2021 unless that pick has transferred before then

Are you sure that Memphis can risk trying to go 100% to finish bottom 6 in the draft next year? They are very close to the bottom of the league in attendance with two franchise icons this year. They are probably already candidate for relocation to Seattle. Gasol is not going to come back next year for one of the last years of his career to play for a lottery team (it has basically been hinted as much). So they will take whatever youngish prospect or late first they can get for him. I honestly don't what they can get for Conley if you look around the league he may not even be a top ten point guard and he is one of the most expensive players in the league. Maybe the knicks would give hardaway, kanter and niks for him to entice a free agent this offseason on their core. Maybe he can get Dennis Smith Junior and a late first instead? And that ends up with a pretty bad team... but there are still going to be a lot of bad teams next year. Are the Cavs, Bulls, Hawks, Suns all going to be awful again next year? I don't see a clear path to a leap for them. Maybe the Hornets lose Kemba and become a dumpster fire.. Maybe Pops retires and the Spurs enter a rebuild.

Also curious why you are saying the Nets or Kings turned around quickly. They were both lottery teams for quite a few years in a row (and may not be out of the lottery this year still)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 21, 2019, 05:51:17 PM
As I've said in the Memphis thread, I'm not so sure that pick rolling over is going to create any greater value.  What if they have a Kings or Nets type turn around when they unload Gasol and Conley for assets.  Or what if they land Zion this year and he is awesome right out the gate and they just keep getting better and better.  The 9th pick this year might end up being the best value that pick ever has.

What theoretical trades could you see them getting for Gasol and Conley that would allow them to turn it around next season? Conley has a 32 million dollar contract next year, and I think has 20k guaranteed the following season. He is also 31 so any rebuilding team is not going to want him. Is he even a positive trade asset? Gasol is 34 and has been really lousy the last month plus. If they got expiring contracts and a mid first round pick for either of those guys that would be a steal.

Then what is the rest of their roster that could take a leap? Obviously Jackson is a really nice piece, but I don't even know who their second best young player is? Kyle Anderson at 25? Dillon Brooks? It has to be one of the bleakest situations in the league right now.

Also I am honestly surprised as anyone by the Kings success, but they are at least doing it on the backs of high lottery picks in hield, fox and bagley and another lottery pick in WCS.
They don't have to turn it around next year as the pick is top 6 protected.  That gives them 2 years to acquire and add assets.  The Kings still had Cousins this time 2 seasons ago.  They turned it around basically in that time as very few players still remain from before that season and they were able to turn it around using the assets from that trade (and they never truly bottomed out and they still owed the Sixers a pick swap). 

So say they trade Gasol at the deadline and pick up a young player and a 1st round pick (not an elite young player, but say WCS quality level), which would be a fairly reasonable trade value wise.  Say they move Conley next summer and pick up another young player and a 2020 1st round pick.  Again that seems like a fairly reasonable trade.  So they would have 2 picks in 2019 and 2 picks in 2020, one of each would be a top 5 pick.  So entering the 20/21 season they would have Jackson, 2 other high level lottery picks, a couple of late 1st rounders, and whatever young players they get for Conley and Gasol.  They could also use their cap space as a dumping ground and pick up other assets.  That is the exact model the Kings followed.  If they do well in the lottery, those other 2 picks could be something like Zion Williamson and Anthony Edwards/Jaden McDaniels/Cole Anthony, put them with Jackson and some other young players, and they have the makings of a team that might still be in the lottery but may not be horrible (much like the Kings this year).

The 15/16 Nets only had 1 player (RHJ) that is currently on their team.  They turned it around very quickly and that is without any top tier lottery picks.  They used their expiring contracts and cap space, to land Russell, and then did very well drafting late in the draft.  They actually now have incentive to tank as they finally own their own picks, and yet they are currently a playoff team. 

There is always the risk on future picks as you just never know what a team will look like 2 seasons from now.  The Nets and Kings both turned it around very quickly by making some smart decisions and quite simply by just acquiring as many assets as they could.  And they both were correcting past blunders in that time (the Kings also wasted a lottery pick on Papa...).  Now maybe Memphis doesn't follow that sort of pattern and they are still terrible in 2 years, but they don't really have the incentive to be terrible in 2021 unless that pick has transferred before then

Are you sure that Memphis can risk trying to go 100% to finish bottom 6 in the draft next year? They are very close to the bottom of the league in attendance with two franchise icons this year. They are probably already candidate for relocation to Seattle. Gasol is not going to come back next year for one of the last years of his career to play for a lottery team (it has basically been hinted as much). So they will take whatever youngish prospect or late first they can get for him. I honestly don't what they can get for Conley if you look around the league he may not even be a top ten point guard and he is one of the most expensive players in the league. Maybe the knicks would give hardaway, kanter and niks for him to entice a free agent this offseason on their core. Maybe he can get Dennis Smith Junior and a late first instead? And that ends up with a pretty bad team... but there are still going to be a lot of bad teams next year. Are the Cavs, Bulls, Hawks, Suns all going to be awful again next year? I don't see a clear path to a leap for them. Maybe the Hornets lose Kemba and become a dumpster fire.. Maybe Pops retires and the Spurs enter a rebuild.

Also curious why you are saying the Nets or Kings turned around quickly. They were both lottery teams for quite a few years in a row (and may not be out of the lottery this year still)
Memphis is 2nd worst in the West and tied for 6th worst overall and that's with Gasol and Conley playing all but one game.  They are not going to be any better next season and the West is probably going to be tougher.  As you point out, they are already at the bottom of the league in attendance.  Cashing out on Gasol and Conley and going to a younger team and switching to a more up tempo style may even increase their attendance. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on January 21, 2019, 06:29:06 PM
As I've said in the Memphis thread, I'm not so sure that pick rolling over is going to create any greater value.  What if they have a Kings or Nets type turn around when they unload Gasol and Conley for assets.  Or what if they land Zion this year and he is awesome right out the gate and they just keep getting better and better.  The 9th pick this year might end up being the best value that pick ever has.

What theoretical trades could you see them getting for Gasol and Conley that would allow them to turn it around next season? Conley has a 32 million dollar contract next year, and I think has 20k guaranteed the following season. He is also 31 so any rebuilding team is not going to want him. Is he even a positive trade asset? Gasol is 34 and has been really lousy the last month plus. If they got expiring contracts and a mid first round pick for either of those guys that would be a steal.

Then what is the rest of their roster that could take a leap? Obviously Jackson is a really nice piece, but I don't even know who their second best young player is? Kyle Anderson at 25? Dillon Brooks? It has to be one of the bleakest situations in the league right now.

Also I am honestly surprised as anyone by the Kings success, but they are at least doing it on the backs of high lottery picks in hield, fox and bagley and another lottery pick in WCS.
They don't have to turn it around next year as the pick is top 6 protected.  That gives them 2 years to acquire and add assets.  The Kings still had Cousins this time 2 seasons ago.  They turned it around basically in that time as very few players still remain from before that season and they were able to turn it around using the assets from that trade (and they never truly bottomed out and they still owed the Sixers a pick swap). 

So say they trade Gasol at the deadline and pick up a young player and a 1st round pick (not an elite young player, but say WCS quality level), which would be a fairly reasonable trade value wise.  Say they move Conley next summer and pick up another young player and a 2020 1st round pick.  Again that seems like a fairly reasonable trade.  So they would have 2 picks in 2019 and 2 picks in 2020, one of each would be a top 5 pick.  So entering the 20/21 season they would have Jackson, 2 other high level lottery picks, a couple of late 1st rounders, and whatever young players they get for Conley and Gasol.  They could also use their cap space as a dumping ground and pick up other assets.  That is the exact model the Kings followed.  If they do well in the lottery, those other 2 picks could be something like Zion Williamson and Anthony Edwards/Jaden McDaniels/Cole Anthony, put them with Jackson and some other young players, and they have the makings of a team that might still be in the lottery but may not be horrible (much like the Kings this year).

The 15/16 Nets only had 1 player (RHJ) that is currently on their team.  They turned it around very quickly and that is without any top tier lottery picks.  They used their expiring contracts and cap space, to land Russell, and then did very well drafting late in the draft.  They actually now have incentive to tank as they finally own their own picks, and yet they are currently a playoff team. 

There is always the risk on future picks as you just never know what a team will look like 2 seasons from now.  The Nets and Kings both turned it around very quickly by making some smart decisions and quite simply by just acquiring as many assets as they could.  And they both were correcting past blunders in that time (the Kings also wasted a lottery pick on Papa...).  Now maybe Memphis doesn't follow that sort of pattern and they are still terrible in 2 years, but they don't really have the incentive to be terrible in 2021 unless that pick has transferred before then

Are you sure that Memphis can risk trying to go 100% to finish bottom 6 in the draft next year? They are very close to the bottom of the league in attendance with two franchise icons this year. They are probably already candidate for relocation to Seattle. Gasol is not going to come back next year for one of the last years of his career to play for a lottery team (it has basically been hinted as much). So they will take whatever youngish prospect or late first they can get for him. I honestly don't what they can get for Conley if you look around the league he may not even be a top ten point guard and he is one of the most expensive players in the league. Maybe the knicks would give hardaway, kanter and niks for him to entice a free agent this offseason on their core. Maybe he can get Dennis Smith Junior and a late first instead? And that ends up with a pretty bad team... but there are still going to be a lot of bad teams next year. Are the Cavs, Bulls, Hawks, Suns all going to be awful again next year? I don't see a clear path to a leap for them. Maybe the Hornets lose Kemba and become a dumpster fire.. Maybe Pops retires and the Spurs enter a rebuild.

Also curious why you are saying the Nets or Kings turned around quickly. They were both lottery teams for quite a few years in a row (and may not be out of the lottery this year still)
I told you why I said they turned it around quickly i.e. they have almost no players that were on their teams 2 years ago.  Sure they were bad for years but they both started over 2 seasons ago.

As Tazz points out Memphis is bad with Gasol and Conley.  They stent going to miraculously get better especially with the incentive to tank the rest if this year and next year.  I expect them to trade Gasol and Conley as there is no reason to keep them because they are bad and there attendance is crap anyway.  Might as well just start the reboot now.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 21, 2019, 06:47:24 PM
As I've said in the Memphis thread, I'm not so sure that pick rolling over is going to create any greater value.  What if they have a Kings or Nets type turn around when they unload Gasol and Conley for assets.  Or what if they land Zion this year and he is awesome right out the gate and they just keep getting better and better.  The 9th pick this year might end up being the best value that pick ever has.

What theoretical trades could you see them getting for Gasol and Conley that would allow them to turn it around next season? Conley has a 32 million dollar contract next year, and I think has 20k guaranteed the following season. He is also 31 so any rebuilding team is not going to want him. Is he even a positive trade asset? Gasol is 34 and has been really lousy the last month plus. If they got expiring contracts and a mid first round pick for either of those guys that would be a steal.

Then what is the rest of their roster that could take a leap? Obviously Jackson is a really nice piece, but I don't even know who their second best young player is? Kyle Anderson at 25? Dillon Brooks? It has to be one of the bleakest situations in the league right now.

Also I am honestly surprised as anyone by the Kings success, but they are at least doing it on the backs of high lottery picks in hield, fox and bagley and another lottery pick in WCS.
They don't have to turn it around next year as the pick is top 6 protected.  That gives them 2 years to acquire and add assets.  The Kings still had Cousins this time 2 seasons ago.  They turned it around basically in that time as very few players still remain from before that season and they were able to turn it around using the assets from that trade (and they never truly bottomed out and they still owed the Sixers a pick swap). 

So say they trade Gasol at the deadline and pick up a young player and a 1st round pick (not an elite young player, but say WCS quality level), which would be a fairly reasonable trade value wise.  Say they move Conley next summer and pick up another young player and a 2020 1st round pick.  Again that seems like a fairly reasonable trade.  So they would have 2 picks in 2019 and 2 picks in 2020, one of each would be a top 5 pick.  So entering the 20/21 season they would have Jackson, 2 other high level lottery picks, a couple of late 1st rounders, and whatever young players they get for Conley and Gasol.  They could also use their cap space as a dumping ground and pick up other assets.  That is the exact model the Kings followed.  If they do well in the lottery, those other 2 picks could be something like Zion Williamson and Anthony Edwards/Jaden McDaniels/Cole Anthony, put them with Jackson and some other young players, and they have the makings of a team that might still be in the lottery but may not be horrible (much like the Kings this year).

The 15/16 Nets only had 1 player (RHJ) that is currently on their team.  They turned it around very quickly and that is without any top tier lottery picks.  They used their expiring contracts and cap space, to land Russell, and then did very well drafting late in the draft.  They actually now have incentive to tank as they finally own their own picks, and yet they are currently a playoff team. 

There is always the risk on future picks as you just never know what a team will look like 2 seasons from now.  The Nets and Kings both turned it around very quickly by making some smart decisions and quite simply by just acquiring as many assets as they could.  And they both were correcting past blunders in that time (the Kings also wasted a lottery pick on Papa...).  Now maybe Memphis doesn't follow that sort of pattern and they are still terrible in 2 years, but they don't really have the incentive to be terrible in 2021 unless that pick has transferred before then

Are you sure that Memphis can risk trying to go 100% to finish bottom 6 in the draft next year? They are very close to the bottom of the league in attendance with two franchise icons this year. They are probably already candidate for relocation to Seattle. Gasol is not going to come back next year for one of the last years of his career to play for a lottery team (it has basically been hinted as much). So they will take whatever youngish prospect or late first they can get for him. I honestly don't what they can get for Conley if you look around the league he may not even be a top ten point guard and he is one of the most expensive players in the league. Maybe the knicks would give hardaway, kanter and niks for him to entice a free agent this offseason on their core. Maybe he can get Dennis Smith Junior and a late first instead? And that ends up with a pretty bad team... but there are still going to be a lot of bad teams next year. Are the Cavs, Bulls, Hawks, Suns all going to be awful again next year? I don't see a clear path to a leap for them. Maybe the Hornets lose Kemba and become a dumpster fire.. Maybe Pops retires and the Spurs enter a rebuild.

Also curious why you are saying the Nets or Kings turned around quickly. They were both lottery teams for quite a few years in a row (and may not be out of the lottery this year still)
I told you why I said they turned it around quickly i.e. they have almost no players that were on their teams 2 years ago.  Sure they were bad for years but they both started over 2 seasons ago.

As Tazz points out Memphis is bad with Gasol and Conley.  They stent going to miraculously get better especially with the incentive to tank the rest if this year and next year.  I expect them to trade Gasol and Conley as there is no reason to keep them because they are bad and there attendance is crap anyway.  Might as well just start the reboot now.
They're better off waiting to move Conley during the offseason.  He's going to look pretty good to teams that miss out on the top free agents.  Gasol is more difficult to move with that 25M player option.  I wouldn't expect much return for him unless they take back bad salary. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on January 21, 2019, 06:48:02 PM
As I've said in the Memphis thread, I'm not so sure that pick rolling over is going to create any greater value.  What if they have a Kings or Nets type turn around when they unload Gasol and Conley for assets.  Or what if they land Zion this year and he is awesome right out the gate and they just keep getting better and better.  The 9th pick this year might end up being the best value that pick ever has.

What theoretical trades could you see them getting for Gasol and Conley that would allow them to turn it around next season? Conley has a 32 million dollar contract next year, and I think has 20k guaranteed the following season. He is also 31 so any rebuilding team is not going to want him. Is he even a positive trade asset? Gasol is 34 and has been really lousy the last month plus. If they got expiring contracts and a mid first round pick for either of those guys that would be a steal.

Then what is the rest of their roster that could take a leap? Obviously Jackson is a really nice piece, but I don't even know who their second best young player is? Kyle Anderson at 25? Dillon Brooks? It has to be one of the bleakest situations in the league right now.

Also I am honestly surprised as anyone by the Kings success, but they are at least doing it on the backs of high lottery picks in hield, fox and bagley and another lottery pick in WCS.
They don't have to turn it around next year as the pick is top 6 protected.  That gives them 2 years to acquire and add assets.  The Kings still had Cousins this time 2 seasons ago.  They turned it around basically in that time as very few players still remain from before that season and they were able to turn it around using the assets from that trade (and they never truly bottomed out and they still owed the Sixers a pick swap). 

So say they trade Gasol at the deadline and pick up a young player and a 1st round pick (not an elite young player, but say WCS quality level), which would be a fairly reasonable trade value wise.  Say they move Conley next summer and pick up another young player and a 2020 1st round pick.  Again that seems like a fairly reasonable trade.  So they would have 2 picks in 2019 and 2 picks in 2020, one of each would be a top 5 pick.  So entering the 20/21 season they would have Jackson, 2 other high level lottery picks, a couple of late 1st rounders, and whatever young players they get for Conley and Gasol.  They could also use their cap space as a dumping ground and pick up other assets.  That is the exact model the Kings followed.  If they do well in the lottery, those other 2 picks could be something like Zion Williamson and Anthony Edwards/Jaden McDaniels/Cole Anthony, put them with Jackson and some other young players, and they have the makings of a team that might still be in the lottery but may not be horrible (much like the Kings this year).

The 15/16 Nets only had 1 player (RHJ) that is currently on their team.  They turned it around very quickly and that is without any top tier lottery picks.  They used their expiring contracts and cap space, to land Russell, and then did very well drafting late in the draft.  They actually now have incentive to tank as they finally own their own picks, and yet they are currently a playoff team. 

There is always the risk on future picks as you just never know what a team will look like 2 seasons from now.  The Nets and Kings both turned it around very quickly by making some smart decisions and quite simply by just acquiring as many assets as they could.  And they both were correcting past blunders in that time (the Kings also wasted a lottery pick on Papa...).  Now maybe Memphis doesn't follow that sort of pattern and they are still terrible in 2 years, but they don't really have the incentive to be terrible in 2021 unless that pick has transferred before then

Are you sure that Memphis can risk trying to go 100% to finish bottom 6 in the draft next year? They are very close to the bottom of the league in attendance with two franchise icons this year. They are probably already candidate for relocation to Seattle. Gasol is not going to come back next year for one of the last years of his career to play for a lottery team (it has basically been hinted as much). So they will take whatever youngish prospect or late first they can get for him. I honestly don't what they can get for Conley if you look around the league he may not even be a top ten point guard and he is one of the most expensive players in the league. Maybe the knicks would give hardaway, kanter and niks for him to entice a free agent this offseason on their core. Maybe he can get Dennis Smith Junior and a late first instead? And that ends up with a pretty bad team... but there are still going to be a lot of bad teams next year. Are the Cavs, Bulls, Hawks, Suns all going to be awful again next year? I don't see a clear path to a leap for them. Maybe the Hornets lose Kemba and become a dumpster fire.. Maybe Pops retires and the Spurs enter a rebuild.

Also curious why you are saying the Nets or Kings turned around quickly. They were both lottery teams for quite a few years in a row (and may not be out of the lottery this year still)
I told you why I said they turned it around quickly i.e. they have almost no players that were on their teams 2 years ago.  Sure they were bad for years but they both started over 2 seasons ago.



It is certainly possible they tank next year, but even if they do it is not an absolute science. There will most likely be a bunch of other tanking teams with clear candidates like Chicago, Atlanta, Charlotte, Phoenix etc to be very bad. There will also probably be some teams like the Clippers or Knicks that strike out in free agency and end up pretty bad. Also, we are not getting the pick this year barring something really weird happening, so we may as well get happy about it for next year.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on January 21, 2019, 06:49:18 PM
Great loss by the Kings today. Pummeled by Nets. Lets stay in that lottery!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 21, 2019, 07:19:32 PM
30-9 in the 4th is really ugly. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: jambr380 on January 21, 2019, 07:40:58 PM
oops - wrong thread...but great to see the Kings lose!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 22, 2019, 04:16:50 PM
Lets stay in that lottery!

This! late lottery 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, doesn't matter just miss the playoffs! #8 seed could easily be #18 pick



Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Jiri Welsch on January 22, 2019, 05:25:26 PM
Raptors v. Kings tonight.

Going to be bittersweet regardless!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 22, 2019, 05:38:28 PM
Raptors v. Kings tonight.

Going to be bittersweet regardless!

Kawhi’s resting for a third straight game fwiw
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on January 22, 2019, 06:55:48 PM
Raptors v. Kings tonight.

Going to be bittersweet regardless!

Kawhi’s resting for a third straight game fwiw

The line is still -10.5 Toronto.  Sacramento winning this would just continue the absurdity.  I should prolly be rooting for the Kings... but I want to see them lose. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on January 22, 2019, 09:08:13 PM
Toronto up 15 with under 8 minutes to go.

Weird to say but... go Toronto!

A Kings loss, plus wins tonight by Minny and/or Dallas, couldn’t kickstart a 2.5 month downward spiral for the Kings.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Vox_Populi on January 22, 2019, 09:16:51 PM
I expect New Orleans and Minnesota to leapfrog Sacramento in the West. They both have better point differentials. Unfortunately, I expect nothing from teams in the East.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Fierce1 on January 22, 2019, 09:30:57 PM
As long as the Kings pick stays in the lottery, it's a win for the Celts.

Hard to believe the Celts got Tatum and another lottery pick for Fultz.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on January 22, 2019, 10:03:10 PM
As long as the Kings pick stays in the lottery, it's a win for the Celts.

Hard to believe the Celts got Tatum and another lottery pick for Fultz.

I'll take the "don't pass" line on both of those. Sorry, I just think that those two have some big holes, and Sacramento has a strong, young team.

Mike
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on January 23, 2019, 02:52:39 AM
Toronto up 15 with under 8 minutes to go.

Weird to say but... go Toronto!

A Kings loss, plus wins tonight by Minny and/or Dallas, couldn’t kickstart a 2.5 month downward spiral for the Kings.
kings lost. Minny won. Dallas won

Kings back to .500

Things are looking good. Only problem is new Orleans loses davis for 2-4 weeks.. Lets hope they overachieve for the time being

Lakers need to start winning some games
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on January 28, 2019, 07:57:31 AM
Sactown lost last night and are now at pick 13. They host Atlanta on Wednesday and then the brutal February starts. Hopefully it'll push them down to about pick 9. I haven't looked at the other teams' schedules but Charlotte, Miami, Minny and long-shot Dallas have a chance to catch up or pass the Kings in the standings by end of next month.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: konkmv on January 28, 2019, 08:49:37 AM
They can win 3 out of 6 next but then the schedule is very hard... i see them winning 35-37 games in the end
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on January 30, 2019, 11:45:32 PM
Ugh, I hate Atlanta. (I also really like them).
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on January 31, 2019, 12:00:03 AM
This pick has been stuck between 12 and 13...


We really need a win streak from minny and pelicans
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on January 31, 2019, 12:38:34 AM
This pick has been stuck between 12 and 13...


We really need a win streak from minny and pelicans

Pelicans are done
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on February 02, 2019, 11:19:08 PM
It looks like they are going to finish 10th or 11th in the West and should remain ahead of Phoenix, Memphis, New Orleans, and Dallas (at least taking Cuban at his word that the Zinger isn't playing this year).  I think is probably 50/50 with Minnesota for that 10/11 spot.  They have a very good chance of finishing ahead of every single lottery team from the East, but are certainly going to finish ahead of New York, Cleveland, Chicago, and Atlanta, so the absolute best that pick is going to be (barring a lottery win) is 9th, but probably more like 12th.  Real shame as a pick in that range won't hold all that much value in a trade and the odds of getting a real difference maker are much lower. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: bdm860 on February 03, 2019, 12:08:42 AM
Decided to start watching King vs Sixers, as saw Kings were up 8 in the 4th. 

Soon as I turn the game on, Sixers go on an 8-0 run to tie the game.

Since I've started watching, the Kings look like a G-League team, turnovers, bad shots, bad passes, bad fouls (Butler just got his 2nd 4-point play of the half), how on earth have the Kings won so many games this year?

Edit - and the Kings actually pulled it out, actually looked like a legit team for most of the last 3-4 minutes, though still several dumb plays.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: PAOBoston on February 03, 2019, 12:36:45 AM
Man, the Kings have some legit talent. The pick (unless the Cs get some serious lottery luck) will be at the end of the lottery at this point barring some sort of catastrophic event in SAC.

It stinks because we had hoped it could be a top 3 pick. But it still a pick they didnt have. It’s an asset either way.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on February 03, 2019, 12:51:00 AM
Man, the Kings have some legit talent. The pick (unless the Cs get some serious lottery luck) will be at the end of the lottery at this point barring some sort of catastrophic event in SAC.

It stinks because we had hoped it could be a top 3 pick. But it still a pick they didnt have. It’s an asset either way.

Well, they have a pretty difficult rest of the schedule, with 17 of their final 30 being against playoff teams (23 of the 30 games against teams still fighting for the playoffs), so they should slip a little bit more hopefully.

But at this point, it sure does look like the Grizzlies pick is more of the prize than the Kings pick.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on February 03, 2019, 01:45:18 AM
It really doesn't matter. This drafts 2nd tier of talent in the lotto is deep. Its like 15 players deep of solid players in my opinion after the first 4-5 players

The first 20 or so picks all have  a chance of being a rotation player. Talented players


What I'm saying is Its possible to draft a Kevin porter or jontay porter  or garland with  a pick in the mid to late teens. There will be a quality player slipping into the area we are drafting and many other quality players available. The clippers pick and sactown pick should be fine. Id trade down that late 1st rounder if it is later than 24.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: keevsnick on February 03, 2019, 04:30:02 AM
It really doesn't matter. This drafts 2nd tier of talent in the lotto is deep. Its like 15 players deep of solid players in my opinion after the first 4-5 players

The first 20 or so picks all have  a chance of being a rotation player. Talented players


What I'm saying is Its possible to draft a Kevin porter or jontay porter  or garland with  a pick in the mid to late teens. There will be a quality player slipping into the area we are drafting and many other quality players available. The clippers pick and sactown pick should be fine. Id trade down that late 1st rounder if it is later than 24.

Well except for the fact that your opinion is not the common one. Most analysts seem to think this draft is somewhere between mediocre and bad in terms of talent.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on February 03, 2019, 09:17:02 AM
It really doesn't matter. This drafts 2nd tier of talent in the lotto is deep. Its like 15 players deep of solid players in my opinion after the first 4-5 players

The first 20 or so picks all have  a chance of being a rotation player. Talented players


What I'm saying is Its possible to draft a Kevin porter or jontay porter  or garland with  a pick in the mid to late teens. There will be a quality player slipping into the area we are drafting and many other quality players available. The clippers pick and sactown pick should be fine. Id trade down that late 1st rounder if it is later than 24.

Well except for the fact that your opinion is not the common one. Most analysts seem to think this draft is somewhere between mediocre and bad in terms of talent.
I don't think he disagrees as a rotation player isn't all that good and that is what he said the top 20 picks could be. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on February 05, 2019, 12:16:41 AM
Ugh, I'm giving up on this pick.

Sacto look great. Bagley is a hit.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Fierce1 on February 05, 2019, 04:56:11 AM
Ugh, I'm giving up on this pick.

Sacto look great. Bagley is a hit.

Season's not over.

As long as the Kings don't make the playoffs, it's a lottery pick.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on February 05, 2019, 06:18:49 AM
Bagley has really started to come into his own the last couple of weeks.  He has been really good. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Silky on February 05, 2019, 06:23:35 AM
The pick will end in the 8-12 range.

No doubt
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on February 05, 2019, 06:25:46 AM
The pick will end in the 8-12 range.

No doubt
Right now it would be 14 and it is closer to 18 than 13.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on February 05, 2019, 04:32:05 PM
The pick will end in the 8-12 range.

No doubt
Right now it would be 14 and it is closer to 18 than 13.

What do you think Chances are they leapfrog the Jazz or the Lakers? They have obviously surprised everyone all season, but Jazz have really gotten together, and as you pointed out the Lakers were at once point the 4th seed before Lebron got hurt. Unless you think they have a reasonable chance of passing one of those teams, don't really see how they don't end up in the lottery??
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Silky on February 05, 2019, 04:35:12 PM
The pick will end in the 8-12 range.

No doubt
Right now it would be 14 and it is closer to 18 than 13.

They are going into the hardest part of their schedule.

Teams are tightening up for playoffs too.

Lakers, minny, dallas all pass them

Washington will catch them I firmly believe that.

Detroit and nop are maybes
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on February 05, 2019, 04:50:39 PM
The pick will end in the 8-12 range.

No doubt
Right now it would be 14 and it is closer to 18 than 13.

They are going into the hardest part of their schedule.

Teams are tightening up for playoffs too.

Lakers, minny, dallas all pass them

Washington will catch them I firmly believe that.

Detroit and nop are maybes

I would be shocked if NOP does. Detroit would be possible if they did this rumored trade for conley.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on February 05, 2019, 05:00:36 PM
30 games left?

I'll take the Lakers to pass them. Nobody else.

SAC finishes at 13.

Mike
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on February 05, 2019, 05:02:46 PM
I predicted SAC will make the playoffs in the CB poll in Dec. Hopefully they miss the playoffs though.

on a brighter note, if it's say #19, maybe they'll get lucky like Atlanta with 2017 and 2018 #19 picks Huerter and Collins - promising talents and immediate contributors. rather than James Young and Yabusele
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on February 05, 2019, 05:29:07 PM
30 games left?

I'll take the Lakers to pass them. Nobody else.

SAC finishes at 13.

Mike

I’m hoping for Minnesota.

Not fun rooting against them.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on February 05, 2019, 05:44:42 PM
30 games left?

I'll take the Lakers to pass them. Nobody else.

SAC finishes at 13.

Mike

I’m hoping for Minnesota.

Not fun rooting against them.

I'd love to believe that Minnesota can pull it off. They have the talent to do so, but can't seem to put it together. If SAC goes .500 for the rest of the year, Minnesota has to go 18-12 to pass them. They don't seem to be capable.

Mike
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on February 06, 2019, 04:41:30 PM
The pick will end in the 8-12 range.

No doubt
Right now it would be 14 and it is closer to 18 than 13.

What do you think Chances are they leapfrog the Jazz or the Lakers? They have obviously surprised everyone all season, but Jazz have really gotten together, and as you pointed out the Lakers were at once point the 4th seed before Lebron got hurt. Unless you think they have a reasonable chance of passing one of those teams, don't really see how they don't end up in the lottery??
I don't think they make the playoffs, but I can't see that pick being any better than 9 at the absolute best and it will probably be 12 or 13 (excluding lottery luck of course).  The Kings are a very deep and well coached team.  They are also pretty young, so they aren't going to tire all that much.  Bagley missed a month and has really turned it on the last couple of weeks, he is only going to get better.  I've been saying since last summer that the Kings were going to surprise people because I really believed in their young talent and their coach, and they have been better than even I expected.  They do have some tough road trips coming up and they almost certainly aren't going to keep winning at their current pace, but it isn't like the Lakers, Jazz, and Spurs all don't have tough schedules also (I think we can now rule the Clippers out).  The West is tough and I'm not ruling out a young feisty talented well coached team. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on February 06, 2019, 10:19:07 PM
The Kings are trading Justin Jackson and Zach Randolph to the Mavericks for Harrison Barnes, league sources tell ESPN.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Jiri Welsch on February 06, 2019, 10:19:37 PM
The Kings are trading Justin Jackson and Zach Randolph to the Mavericks for Harrison Barnes, league sources tell ESPN.

Yep just came to post this. That sucks!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on February 06, 2019, 10:28:55 PM
Well the additions of Burks and Barnes certainly greatly increases the Kings playoff chances.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on February 06, 2019, 11:51:16 PM
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Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on February 07, 2019, 08:44:00 AM
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Mike
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on February 07, 2019, 09:35:18 AM
Sac only 1.5 games back from the Clippers who just dumped their best player for picks. I think Barnes is going to slot in nicely and help them. Not a good trade deadline for the Celtics' assets so far.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Androslav on February 07, 2019, 10:00:18 AM
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Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: RodyTur10 on February 07, 2019, 10:02:46 AM
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It looks by the way like the league is as scared of Ainge like Europe was for Hitler  :D .
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: droopdog7 on February 07, 2019, 12:32:39 PM
Never understood why people were expecting a top 3 pick when the kings were 7th last year and had young players that could mature.  I expected 7-9 from the outset.  Of course, the chances of top 3 we about as good as 12-14 (which is basically where we are now).  So partly rotten luck but we would have needed great luck to get what people were expecting.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on February 07, 2019, 12:39:37 PM
Never understood why people were expecting a top 3 pick when the kings were 7th last year and had young players that could mature.  I expected 7-9 from the outset.  Of course, the chances of top 3 we about as good as 12-14 (which is basically where we are now).  So partly rotten luck but we would have needed great luck to get what people were expecting.

I think a lot of people ( including me) were looking their point differential and expected record being worse than their actual record along with the fact they were extremely lucky with injuries last year (and so far this year), and as a result predicted a bottom 5 team.   Fox, Hield, and Cauly Stein have made bigger jumps in their play than many predicted. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on February 07, 2019, 12:44:29 PM
They seem to consistently execute well in crunch time. Tilts most of those tight games in their favor
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on February 07, 2019, 12:55:14 PM
Well the additions of Burks and Barnes certainly greatly increases the Kings playoff chances.

It is most likely a two team race to make it now Jazz and Spurs have been playing good for about two months and no reason to think it won't continue. Clippers and Mavericks punted the season with their trades. Minny is fading and beat up. So it most likely just between Lakers and Kings. Who would you have making it out of those 2? Would be crazy if Lebron missed the playoffs (and would probably sour free agent interest for there)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 07, 2019, 12:56:41 PM
It's too bad we have their pick because they're a lot of fun to watch. I find myself rooting for them a lot regardless.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: bknova on February 07, 2019, 12:57:41 PM
I gotta say, when Vlade traded Boogie to the Pels, I was like this guy has no clue what he's doing. Gotta hand it to Vlade. Dude knows what he's doing.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on February 07, 2019, 12:58:30 PM
Yeah could go down to Lakers and SAC for #8.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on February 07, 2019, 01:01:41 PM
Well the additions of Burks and Barnes certainly greatly increases the Kings playoff chances.

It is most likely a two team race to make it now Jazz and Spurs have been playing good for about two months and no reason to think it won't continue. Clippers and Mavericks punted the season with their trades. Minny is fading and beat up. So it most likely just between Lakers and Kings. Who would you have making it out of those 2? Would be crazy if Lebron missed the playoffs (and would probably sour free agent interest for there)
That was another one of my over the summer thoughts that was widely panned on this board i.e. the Lakers weren't a shoe in for the playoffs (granted I often said it in the same breath that I thought Cleveland had a chance to make the playoffs while the Lakers didn't and Love's injury ended that other part very quickly).

The West has a lot of really good teams.  That was known and when you have a lot of really good teams anything can happen.  At this point the Lakers might be better just shutting James down (it will never happen, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't).  He clearly isn't back to 100% and if you remove him from the team the rest of the team might actually perform like James isn't around and increase their trade value or inversely just suck and get the Lakers a much better pick to throw at the Pelicans or some other team this summer. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on February 07, 2019, 01:07:13 PM
Well the additions of Burks and Barnes certainly greatly increases the Kings playoff chances.

It is most likely a two team race to make it now Jazz and Spurs have been playing good for about two months and no reason to think it won't continue. Clippers and Mavericks punted the season with their trades. Minny is fading and beat up. So it most likely just between Lakers and Kings. Who would you have making it out of those 2? Would be crazy if Lebron missed the playoffs (and would probably sour free agent interest for there)
That was another one of my over the summer thoughts that was widely panned on this board i.e. the Lakers weren't a shoe in for the playoffs (granted I often said it in the same breath that I thought Cleveland had a chance to make the playoffs while the Lakers didn't and Love's injury ended that other part very quickly).

The West has a lot of really good teams.  That was known and when you have a lot of really good teams anything can happen.  At this point the Lakers might be better just shutting James down (it will never happen, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't).  He clearly isn't back to 100% and if you remove him from the team the rest of the team might actually perform like James isn't around and increase their trade value or inversely just suck and get the Lakers a much better pick to throw at the Pelicans or some other team this summer.

I can't really imagine that your prediction was based on Lebron getting injured though for the first time in his career. I think anyone on here would have guessed they had the chance to miss the playoffs if Lebron missed significant time. So kind of a weird flex.

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on February 07, 2019, 01:07:54 PM
To be fair, LeBron has missed a chunk of time this season in a tight race. Without him they were a lottery team last year.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on February 07, 2019, 01:41:03 PM
Well the additions of Burks and Barnes certainly greatly increases the Kings playoff chances.

It is most likely a two team race to make it now Jazz and Spurs have been playing good for about two months and no reason to think it won't continue. Clippers and Mavericks punted the season with their trades. Minny is fading and beat up. So it most likely just between Lakers and Kings. Who would you have making it out of those 2? Would be crazy if Lebron missed the playoffs (and would probably sour free agent interest for there)
That was another one of my over the summer thoughts that was widely panned on this board i.e. the Lakers weren't a shoe in for the playoffs (granted I often said it in the same breath that I thought Cleveland had a chance to make the playoffs while the Lakers didn't and Love's injury ended that other part very quickly).

The West has a lot of really good teams.  That was known and when you have a lot of really good teams anything can happen.  At this point the Lakers might be better just shutting James down (it will never happen, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't).  He clearly isn't back to 100% and if you remove him from the team the rest of the team might actually perform like James isn't around and increase their trade value or inversely just suck and get the Lakers a much better pick to throw at the Pelicans or some other team this summer.

I can't really imagine that your prediction was based on Lebron getting injured though for the first time in his career. I think anyone on here would have guessed they had the chance to miss the playoffs if Lebron missed significant time. So kind of a weird flex.
Even with Lebron they were on a 47.8 win pace.  Even that had a decent chance of not making the playoffs in the west this year and there was no way that James was actually going to play all 82 games again this year (I would have guessed 70-75, which he obviously can't hit now).  The Lakers looked like a 45ish win team to me over the summer and I suspect that is about where they end up.  Given LA, MIN, and MEM have all been sellers this year, I'd be a bit surprised if the Lakers don't make the playoffs (assuming that James plays ~95% of the remaining games) and just edge out the Kings, but I can't see them winning all that many more than 45 games at this point without a major trade (I don't think a few buy-out adds will do all that much for them).
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on February 10, 2019, 09:42:00 PM
Bagley looking really good the last few weeks (game before tonight notwithstanding) and poured in his career best 32 tonight. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on February 11, 2019, 11:35:33 PM
Kings now 8th in the West.  Pick would be 18th. 
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Androslav on February 12, 2019, 03:06:52 AM
Even though I like our picks to always be higher, for whatever the reason I can't root against this young squad.
Now when it is pretty certain that it will be a 13-18th pick even more so.
In fact, I'd rather have lakers miss the playoffs.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on March 02, 2019, 01:35:45 AM
Kings lose to clips

Clips now 7th seed, kings further back at 9


That marvin Bagley injury is hurting the kings
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on March 04, 2019, 09:47:25 AM
Even though I like our picks to always be higher, for whatever the reason I can't root against this young squad.
Now when it is pretty certain that it will be a 13-18th pick even more so.
In fact, I'd rather have lakers miss the playoffs.

I've had the same feeling. I've decided it means it's a win-win. If they make the playoffs, I can enjoy that this young upstart team did something cool. If they miss the playoffs, our pick gets better.

They're 3 games behind San Antonio right now and 3.5 behind the Clippers. Hopefully that holds.

And the best part, they're 1.5 games up on the Lakers.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on March 07, 2019, 11:06:05 AM
The Celtics take care of business and keep the Kings at .500, 5 games behind San Antonio in the wins column. A good night.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 07, 2019, 11:54:19 AM
I gotta say in spite of our obvious incentives I love watching this Kings team, they're maybe my favorite non-Celtics team to watch and I hope they win 50 and a playoff series next year.  This year gotta grudgingly root for some more stumbles though.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on March 07, 2019, 12:06:28 PM
I gotta say in spite of our obvious incentives I love watching this Kings team, they're maybe my favorite non-Celtics team to watch and I hope they win 50 and a playoff series next year.  This year gotta grudgingly root for some more stumbles though.

I absolutely agree. They’ve gone from being, well, the Sacramento Kings to a young, fast and hungry team. And they did it almost overnight. Those kids have the eye of the tiger.

Mike
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Birdman on March 07, 2019, 12:19:59 PM
Might have beaten us if Bagley was playing
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 07, 2019, 12:35:28 PM
I gotta say in spite of our obvious incentives I love watching this Kings team, they're maybe my favorite non-Celtics team to watch and I hope they win 50 and a playoff series next year.  This year gotta grudgingly root for some more stumbles though.

I absolutely agree. They’ve gone from being, well, the Sacramento Kings to a young, fast and hungry team. And they did it almost overnight. Those kids have the eye of the tiger.

Mike

Almost like dumping Cousins was addition by subtraction (and landed them Hield too of course).
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: nickagneta on March 07, 2019, 02:12:38 PM
I gotta say in spite of our obvious incentives I love watching this Kings team, they're maybe my favorite non-Celtics team to watch and I hope they win 50 and a playoff series next year.  This year gotta grudgingly root for some more stumbles though.

I absolutely agree. They’ve gone from being, well, the Sacramento Kings to a young, fast and hungry team. And they did it almost overnight. Those kids have the eye of the tiger.

Mike

Almost like dumping Cousins was addition by subtraction (and landed them Hield too of course).
I remember the grief that Vlade got for getting Hield and picks as the important pieces for Cousins. Ranadive was in love with Hield thinking he had Steph Curry upside as a shooter and scorer. Vlade and Ranadive caught all sorts of crap from around the league for that opinion on Hield.

But the trade and it's parts, in the end after a couple other trades, resulted in Hield, Harry Giles, Frank Mason and Harrison Barnes.

That turned out to be the winning side in that trade.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on March 07, 2019, 04:04:23 PM
In hindsight, would you rather have #14 this year or #10 last year?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on March 15, 2019, 09:04:07 AM
And with that Celtic win, the Kings are 5 games out of 8th with 15 games left.

This team won a lot more games than I thought they would and they're still on pace to win 40, something Cousins never did the entire time he was there. Very impressive. Glad it looks like we'll be getting a lottery pick, though.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Roy H. on March 15, 2019, 09:44:00 AM
In hindsight, would you rather have #14 this year or #10 last year?

Last year’s pick. SGA or Bridges would look good here, and Porter is really interesting.

But at the time of the deal, definitely the Kings pick.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Donoghus on March 15, 2019, 10:15:27 AM
In hindsight, would you rather have #14 this year or #10 last year?

Last year’s pick. SGA or Bridges would look good here, and Porter is really interesting.

But at the time of the deal, definitely the Kings pick.

For sure.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Csfan1984 on March 15, 2019, 10:32:56 AM
So they could end up 12 if they shut guys down early to reduce injury risk. Not a lock at 14 with Magic and Wolves possibly jumping them.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: nickagneta on March 15, 2019, 01:50:17 PM
I think Boston is do some luck after what happened to the franchise for a couple decades. They got that #1 pick two years ago. Now it's time, with the oh so higher odds, for a little miracle to happen and for that Sacramento pick to to get lotteried straight up to a #2, #3 or #4 pick for the C's.

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: csfansince60s on March 20, 2019, 12:15:42 PM
Nets did us a solid last night!!!

I guess Russell went nuts in the 4th.

Nets  were down 25 going into the 4th and beat the Kings on the road at the buzzer with a furious rally!!!!

If Miami and Orlando and Wolves can win a couple.....14 and 13 are in play, and maybe 12, but unlikely.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Silky on March 20, 2019, 12:20:44 PM
I think Boston is do some luck after what happened to the franchise for a couple decades. They got that #1 pick two years ago. Now it's time, with the oh so higher odds, for a little miracle to happen and for that Sacramento pick to to get lotteried straight up to a #2, #3 or #4 pick for the C's.

Adding Barret to the team would make me feel better about trading Smart and Tatum to get Davis.

Irving
Brown
Barrett
Horford
Davis

Hayward 6th man
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on March 20, 2019, 03:48:14 PM
Clippers have been on fire recently

Kings are now behind the clippers pretty significantly
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on March 20, 2019, 03:48:47 PM
Nets did us a solid last night!!!

I guess Russell went nuts in the 4th.

Nets  were down 25 going into the 4th and beat the Kings on the road at the buzzer with a furious rally!!!!

If Miami and Orlando and Wolves can win a couple.....14 and 13 are in play, and maybe 12, but unlikely.
that nets comeback is historic
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: nickagneta on March 20, 2019, 05:25:51 PM
I think Boston is do some luck after what happened to the franchise for a couple decades. They got that #1 pick two years ago. Now it's time, with the oh so higher odds, for a little miracle to happen and for that Sacramento pick to to get lotteried straight up to a #2, #3 or #4 pick for the C's.

Adding Barret to the team would make me feel better about trading Smart and Tatum to get Davis.

Irving
Brown
Barrett
Horford
Davis

Hayward 6th man
Actually, maybe by sending this pick with the Memphis and LAC picks, maybe we get away with just sending Brown and filler and get to keep Smart and Tatum.

Doubt it but who knows.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: BringToughnessBack on April 01, 2019, 12:35:09 PM
Well an almost whole season is done and I am shocked how good the Kings played this year. One 4 game losing streak and 2 3 game losing streaks and that is it. The days of doormat status are behind them and I think they will be seeing the playoffs next year. Great job to that team for turning it around...sucks for us but 13th pick or thereabouts is better then nothing. Maybe we get super lotto lucky and they slide into top 2-4. If not, hope for a slider who can turn into something good.

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on April 07, 2019, 11:15:40 PM
Thankyou NOLA!!!!!!

Chance the pick goes up to 12!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on April 10, 2019, 12:35:33 AM
Looks like it's at the 12 slot at the moment
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on April 10, 2019, 12:45:48 AM
Looks like it's at the 12 slot at the moment

and regardless of tonights game portland has something to play for tomorrow, either for 3rd or 4th
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Silky on April 10, 2019, 06:30:03 AM
A sacramento loss puts them in 12th in the pick race.

Which means....

86.1% chance at pick 12.
9% chance pick 13.
0.2% chance at pick 14
3.7% chance at pick 2,3 or 4
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: A Future of Stevens on April 10, 2019, 06:47:12 AM
A sacramento loss puts them in 12th in the pick race.

Which means....

86.1% chance at pick 12.
9% chance pick 13.
0.2% chance at pick 14
3.7% chance at pick 2,3 or 4

So your saying theres a chance! 8)
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Silky on April 10, 2019, 06:49:29 AM
A sacramento loss puts them in 12th in the pick race.

Which means....

86.1% chance at pick 12.
9% chance pick 13.
0.2% chance at pick 14
3.7% chance at pick 2,3 or 4

So your saying theres a chance! 8)

Itll happen.

Ja Morant will be a celtic next season and we stay young.

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on April 10, 2019, 03:21:31 PM
The Portland Trail Blazers announced that Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum are OUT tonight vs the Sacramento Kings due to load management.

well THAT SUCKS, i guess they trying to avoid OKC

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1116036245191299072
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on April 10, 2019, 03:27:29 PM
The Portland Trail Blazers announced that Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum are OUT tonight vs the Sacramento Kings due to load management.

well THAT SUCKS, i guess they trying to avoid OKC

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1116036245191299072

Pain in the ass. If they lose this game I will root for them to lose in Round 1 again. And I’d rather not do that. I really like Lillard.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: csfansince60s on April 10, 2019, 04:47:56 PM
The Portland Trail Blazers announced that Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum are OUT tonight vs the Sacramento Kings due to load management.

well THAT SUCKS, i guess they trying to avoid OKC

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1116036245191299072

Pain in the ass. If they lose this game I will root for them to lose in Round 1 again. And I’d rather not do that. I really like Lillard.

I'll do the same, despite my fondness for ET!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: KGs Knee on April 10, 2019, 05:24:34 PM
I think Boston is do some luck after what happened to the franchise for a couple decades. They got that #1 pick two years ago. Now it's time, with the oh so higher odds, for a little miracle to happen and for that Sacramento pick to to get lotteried straight up to a #2, #3 or #4 pick for the C's.

Adding Barret to the team would make me feel better about trading Smart and Tatum to get Davis.

Irving
Brown
Barrett
Horford
Davis

Hayward 6th man
Actually, maybe by sending this pick with the Memphis and LAC picks, maybe we get away with just sending Brown and filler and get to keep Smart and Tatum.

Doubt it but who knows.

I'm really hoping the SAC/PHI pick ends up # 2 and the Memphis pick conveys, as that really gives us a great chance at keeping Tatum in a trade for Davis. Brown + #2 + #9 is probably an offer none of the teams that would trade for Davis could match.

I would definitely rather keep Tatum. To me, it seems like Kyrie just has a tighter bond with Tatum than he does with Brown. Never mind I think Tatum still has the higher upside between the two of them.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: keevsnick on April 10, 2019, 05:48:10 PM
I think Boston is do some luck after what happened to the franchise for a couple decades. They got that #1 pick two years ago. Now it's time, with the oh so higher odds, for a little miracle to happen and for that Sacramento pick to to get lotteried straight up to a #2, #3 or #4 pick for the C's.

Adding Barret to the team would make me feel better about trading Smart and Tatum to get Davis.

Irving
Brown
Barrett
Horford
Davis

Hayward 6th man
Actually, maybe by sending this pick with the Memphis and LAC picks, maybe we get away with just sending Brown and filler and get to keep Smart and Tatum.

Doubt it but who knows.

Or it goes number #1, we get the 24 pick from the 76ers, and we have to include Tatum and Smart or just get beat out by someone else and don't get Davis at all while also turning the 76ers into a powerhouse. If that puck doesn't come up at its spot in the lotto, I may have have a heart attack.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on April 10, 2019, 05:49:57 PM
I think Boston is do some luck after what happened to the franchise for a couple decades. They got that #1 pick two years ago. Now it's time, with the oh so higher odds, for a little miracle to happen and for that Sacramento pick to to get lotteried straight up to a #2, #3 or #4 pick for the C's.

Adding Barret to the team would make me feel better about trading Smart and Tatum to get Davis.

Irving
Brown
Barrett
Horford
Davis

Hayward 6th man
Actually, maybe by sending this pick with the Memphis and LAC picks, maybe we get away with just sending Brown and filler and get to keep Smart and Tatum.

Doubt it but who knows.

Or it goes number #1, we get the 24 pick from the 76ers, and we have to include Tatum and Smart or just get beat out by someone else and don't get Davis at all while also turning the 76ers into a powerhouse. If that puck doesn't come up at its spot in the lotto, I may have have a heart attack.
that's the beauty of the NBA lottery. It changes the course of the NBA depending where ping pong balls bounce
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on April 10, 2019, 11:24:08 PM
Portland tanked this game. Looks like they are afraid of OKC that much.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Roy H. on April 10, 2019, 11:31:55 PM
Portland tanked this game. Looks like they are afraid of OKC that much.

Utah is probably a better matchup for them, but I think at this point they're just sitting their stars to avoid a freak injury.  Marcus Smart went down in Game 81, and now we're handicapped going into the playoffs.  I can't blame Portland for wanting to avoid that type of a hit.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on April 11, 2019, 12:25:15 AM
Portland tanked this game. Looks like they are afraid of OKC that much.
The second half has been dramatically different. 4 point game.

Now down to 1! Anfernee Simons playing like Curry, lol
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on April 11, 2019, 12:27:34 AM
One point game! Come on, Portland!

Denver is also losing to Minny. A Denver loss and Portland win would lead to a three way tie with those two teams and Houston. Anyone know how that tiebreaker would end up?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Roy H. on April 11, 2019, 12:32:39 AM
Blazers up 5.  How’d That happen?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on April 11, 2019, 12:33:49 AM
Blazers up 5.  How’d That happen?
Anfernee Simons & Skal Labissiere!

Plus the Portland zone defence has absolutely shut down the Kings
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Roy H. on April 11, 2019, 12:41:39 AM
Blazers up 5.  How’d That happen?
Anfernee Simons & Skal Labissiere!

Plus the Portland zone defence has absolutely shut down the Kings

Portland has played the entire game with a 6-man rotation? That’s wild.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on April 11, 2019, 12:41:50 AM
Omg, if Portland ends up giving this back up after coming back from down 28 and going up 9, I might just die.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on April 11, 2019, 12:43:38 AM
This Anfernee Simons has some potential. He’s looked really solid as a shooter and scorer tonight.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on April 11, 2019, 12:44:28 AM
Blazers up 5.  How’d That happen?
Anfernee Simons & Skal Labissiere!

Plus the Portland zone defence has absolutely shut down the Kings

Portland has played the entire game with a 6-man rotation? That’s wild.
And the 6th guy hasn't even hit 15 minutes yet.

Terry Stotts must be furious at this likely victory, lol
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on April 11, 2019, 12:45:38 AM
This Anfernee Simons has some potential. He’s looked really solid as a shooter and scorer tonight.
I wanted us to get him in the draft, but the Blazers got him. He was a big name in HS ball, and skipped college. Looks to have not missed a step
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on April 11, 2019, 12:46:44 AM
Thank you Portland scrubs! That probably screwed you in the first round against OKC, but thanks for giving us a shot at the 12 pick instead of the 14 pick!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on April 11, 2019, 12:51:33 AM
Thank you Portland scrubs! That probably screwed you in the first round against OKC, but thanks for giving us a shot at the 12 pick instead of the 14 pick!
Went on over to Tankathon, and on my first go we ended up with the #2 pick (with Washington at #1 and Atlanta at #3)!

Now wouldn't that be something ;D
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on April 11, 2019, 12:55:06 AM
So what happens now? Are we 12 slot??
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on April 11, 2019, 12:58:26 AM
So what happens now? Are we 12 slot??

Another lottery draw tiebreaker.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on April 11, 2019, 12:59:14 AM
So what happens now? Are we 12 slot??

12/13/14 tie..and if utah wins this game with 20 seconds to go then our clipper pick is 18

edit.  tie game with 5 seconds to go...if they lose then our pick is in another 3 way tie 18/19/20

Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on April 11, 2019, 01:13:32 AM
lol all three non-Celtics picks that we own this year are now involved in three-way ties. Hopefully we get some coin flip luck with the ordering!
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on April 11, 2019, 01:14:31 AM
lol all three non-Celtics picks that we own this year are now involved in three-way ties. Hopefully we get some coin flip luck with the ordering!

I’m going to watch this in a few days, assuming it’s televised again on NBATV or something like 2014
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Donoghus on April 11, 2019, 12:10:21 PM
Per ESPN via:

"Divac planning to fire coach Dave Joerger on Thurs."

12 win improvement & you get fired?   
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Vox_Populi on April 11, 2019, 12:16:39 PM
Fox is one of my five or six favorite players already. Hope they don't screw up his prime.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Roy H. on April 11, 2019, 12:22:54 PM
Per ESPN via:

"Divac planning to fire coach Dave Joerger on Thurs."

12 win improvement & you get fired?

Seriously? With real development by the young guys?

Now that they have their own draft picks back, it must be that they want to tank some more.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CptZoogs on April 11, 2019, 12:23:09 PM
Per ESPN via:

"Divac planning to fire coach Dave Joerger on Thurs."

12 win improvement & you get fired?

This is disgusting!  That being said, am I a bad person for wishing he had done it last off-season?
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Birdman on April 11, 2019, 12:26:25 PM
Wow!!!! Bet the Kings players are upset
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: RPGenerate on April 11, 2019, 12:27:19 PM
Per ESPN via:

"Divac planning to fire coach Dave Joerger on Thurs."

12 win improvement & you get fired?
Not surprised. Divac is a moron. He treated Mike Malone the same way.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on April 11, 2019, 12:28:15 PM
Joerger is a top 10 coach and arguably top 5 coach in the sport.  If true, it looks like the Kings are back.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Monkhouse on April 11, 2019, 12:30:12 PM
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Can confirm @wojespn report that Kings GM Vlade Divac will fire coach Dave Joerger today. Lakers coach Luke Walton - if available - is the clear frontrunner here, per sources. Former New Orleans coach Monty Williams is also a strong candidate, as is Spurs asst. Ettore Messina.

They are clearly trying to tank then.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Donoghus on April 11, 2019, 12:31:06 PM
What an idiotic franchise.  Their fans deserve better.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on April 11, 2019, 12:33:16 PM
coach swap?  Joerger to Lakers, Walton to Kings.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Roy H. on April 11, 2019, 12:35:58 PM
What an idiotic franchise.  Their fans deserve better.

They did the same thing, on a smaller scale, with Mark Malone. The team was playing really well but then Boogie got sick and lost some games, so they fired the coach.

I’m not sure which franchise has been the bigger dumpster fire, the Kings or the Knicks.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Roy H. on April 11, 2019, 12:36:46 PM
coach swap?  Joerger to Lakers, Walton to Kings.

Joerger is pretty hard-headed. He and Lebron wouldn’t coexist.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on April 11, 2019, 12:38:00 PM
Clearly, Vlade is the problem and should be fired lol
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on April 11, 2019, 12:40:38 PM
coach swap?  Joerger to Lakers, Walton to Kings.

Joerger is pretty hard-headed. He and Lebron wouldn’t coexist.
I think that Lebron could actually use that and the young players could certainly use someone like Joerger.  Walton was a bad coach for that team, but I think he could learn and grow in Sacto and end up being pretty solid.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: Silky on April 11, 2019, 12:58:27 PM
Lebron want to be the first player coach in 40 years. Mark my words.

Next coach of the Lakers will be Lebron James.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on April 11, 2019, 01:00:26 PM
Wow, those midseason rumors about Joerger being on the hot seat were legitimate
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: ozgod on April 11, 2019, 01:06:09 PM
Per ESPN via:

"Divac planning to fire coach Dave Joerger on Thurs."

12 win improvement & you get fired?

Looking at the Kings forum it looks like most of the fans on that forum want him fired too because he's smug and arrogant and can't adapt. Apparently they really wanted 40 wins and he threw the last game away as an F-U to Vlade and the rest of the management by resting key players.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: bdm860 on April 11, 2019, 01:12:27 PM
Just reading some random Reddit comments on this move, trying to get some perspective.

One guy with a Grizzlies flair says (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/bc1017/wojnarowski_vlade_divac_is_pushing_to_consolidate/ekmy6wd/): "Grizzlies front office didn’t like him either. Dave is arrogant and convinced he’s the smartest person in the building. He’s been low key throwing shade about not wanting Bagley as the pick last year and they may be causing tension. I think the Kings job would be an attractive one so if they did let go of Dave it would be okay"

If Joerger really is an arrogant prick, maybe this starts to make more sense.  On the flip side, always thought he had a good relationship with his vets, based largely on Vince Carter, Zach Randolph, Matt Barnes, Kosta Koufos, and Jordan Farmar following him from Memphis to Sacramento.

Others are saying how Vlade wanted to develop players while Joerger wanted to win now.  At first it's a head scratcher since the Kings don't have their own pick this year, but maybe "developing players" isn't always code for tanking, some times it really means the team wants to develop players.  Joerger playing WCS over Bagley when the FO would rather see Bagley is a perfect example.

What's hilarious though, is this is such a Kings move.  Hey front offices and coaches can disagree, but it shouldn't happen when the FO hires the coach.  From an ESPN article last year: (http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/presents2/is-demarcus-cousins-sacramento-kings-real-problem)
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Though it proved unnecessary once the Grizzlies let the coach walk, the Kings owner was prepared to offer cash compensation and a draft pick for Joerger, despite the fact that neither Ranadive nor Divac had met Joerger personally.
I find it hilarious that the Kings were willing to offer compensation to the Grizzlies for a coach that was already fired (and also who they never even met).  How out of the loop can you be.  Of course that quote also says Ranadive, not Divac, wanted Joerger, so maybe Joerger was more of a Ranadive hire than a Divac's one.  But wanting a coach so bad but then firing him, that seems like a move the Kings stole out of the Knicks playbook, lol.  At least Joerger made it 3 of the 4 years, not so bad I guess.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: action781 on April 11, 2019, 01:44:19 PM
Others are saying how Vlade wanted to develop players while Joerger wanted to win now.  At first it's a head scratcher since the Kings don't have their own pick this year, but maybe "developing players" isn't always code for tanking, some times it really means the team wants to develop players.  Joerger playing WCS over Bagley when the FO would rather see Bagley is a perfect example.

Unbelievable how inept Kings front office is.  They have no idea that winning now *is* how to develop young players.  Teaches them how to win and that you have to work hard to earn playing time.  As example, look at how well their young players have developed already under this system into winning basketball players.  Bagley (25 mpg) is playing nearly as many minutes this season as Fox did as a rookie last season (27 mpg) and about the same as Hield did as a King (25 mpg).

Secondly, WCS himself is a 25 year old, former top #6 overall draft pick.  What about continuing to develop him?

I'm looking forward to posting a heavy "Under" wager on the Kings win total next season.  I expect them to take a step backwards or at least not as far forward as they could have otherwise.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: nickagneta on April 11, 2019, 04:09:24 PM
So Walton to Kings and Mark Jackson to Lakers seems extremely likely.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on April 11, 2019, 04:14:01 PM
Saw online that Joerger was officially fired and Divac signed an extension through 2022-2023.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on April 12, 2019, 04:22:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L1mD-tgoE4&list=RD6L1mD-tgoE4&start_radio=1 for everyone
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on April 12, 2019, 05:09:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L1mD-tgoE4&list=RD6L1mD-tgoE4&start_radio=1 for everyone

I am going to get real upset if people don't watch this.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: libermaniac on April 12, 2019, 05:16:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L1mD-tgoE4&list=RD6L1mD-tgoE4&start_radio=1 for everyone
LOL.  Tp.
Title: Re: Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on April 12, 2019, 05:21:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L1mD-tgoE4&list=RD6L1mD-tgoE4&start_radio=1 for everyone

That's a gem lol TP