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Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #90 on: December 19, 2017, 07:12:38 AM »

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Wacky comments, like your accusation of Hanlons views ,the override of Brads views the pulling out pre draft critigues ,the overide of combine stats ,the  claims of that "semi sucks",doesn't hustle is a paper athlete You deserved the comment that you just watch TV are not on the floor or had the coaching of Brad. Yet you dismiss his views and his teammates on semis defense.You give no allowances for a rookie in short pre season with few practices learning multiple defensive sets and rotations while playing with mixed lineups and guarding multiple positions an Often guarding the likes of Gianiss,Curry,Anthony and George.How many times you have attacked Semi in this SUBJECT heading.The moderator said back off.

Semi again playing in 4th quarter close game-drives and set up Theis for foul line jumper,big defensive rebound and drives baseline for reverse and fouled -sinks both foul shot  subbed out at about 4 minute mark solid defense and blocking out. 5 points,1-1 from three 2-2 free throws 1 assist and 1 rebound in in 14 minutes and during 4th in 6 minutes 2 pts free throws an assist and a rebound.
The development of Semi is critical for any extended playoff run with the physicality of playoffs and further injuries that come up.
Your short sighted,caustic criticism repetitively aimed at Semi who is part of the number one defense in the league and as he learns on the fly is warped and driven by some need to feel superior versus the want of someone to do well and a realistic excusing of a rookies learning and errors
-I say he has skills that are unique and works hard  and has a history of being a good shooter.I post recent comments from coaches,trainers and teammates while you denigrate and smear his effort from your TV perch while thinking you have a better insight into his talent and development than the Celtic organization.
You wait for mistakes and bad games to gleefully critique and gloat as you flaunt his shooting stats while i watch for little improvements, growth through experience and good games to build on

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Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #91 on: December 19, 2017, 07:50:50 AM »

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Wacky comments like your accusation of Hanlons views ,your override of Brads views your pulling pre draft critigues ,your overide of combine stats ,your claims of that "semi sucks",doesn't hustle is a paper athlete You deserved the comment that you just watch TV are not on the floor or had the coaching of Brad. Yet you dismiss his views and his teammates on semis defense.You give no allowances for a rookie in short pre season with few practices learning multiple defensive sets and rotations while playing with mixed lineups and guarding multiple positions an Often guarding the likes of Gianiss,Curry,Anthony and George.How many times you have attacked Semi in this SUBJECT.

Semi again playing in 4th quarter close game-drives and set up Theis for foul line jumper,big defensive rebound and drives baseline for reverse and fouled -sinks both foul shot  subbed out at about 4 minute mark solid defense and blocking out. 5 points,1-1 from three 2-2 free throws 1 assist and 1 rebound in in 14 minutes and during 4th in 6 minutes 2 pts free throws an assist and a rebound.
The development of Semi is critical for any extended playoff run with the physicality of playoffs and further injuries that come up.
Your short sighted,caustic criticism repetitively aimed at Semi who is part of the number one defense in the league and as he learns on the fly is warped and driven by some need to feel superior versus the want of someone to do well and a realistic excusing of a rookies learning and errors
-I say he has skills that are unique and works hard  and has a history of being a good shooter.I post recent comments from coaches,trainers and teammates while you denigrate and smear his effort from your TV perch while thinking you have a better insight into his talent and development than the Celtic organization.
You wait for mistakes and bad games to gleefully critique and gloat as you flaunt his shooting stats while i watch for little improvements, growth through experience and good games to build on

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The problem with Semi is that he has an extremely low skill level. As a wing, his combination of shooting, passing, and dribbling is one of the lowest in the league. To make matters worse he's an older rookie, so the probability of him improving dramatically isn't good. He's also a good athlete, but he's not a spectacular athlete. The best athletes from this past draft are easily Smith and Collins. He might be a case of Mike Mamula. A good athlete who looked like an amazing one simply because he did a lot of work getting for the combine and then posted great numbers. Like Mamula, Semi's numbers don't translate. Maybe it's a lack of motor and intensity, though.

I really hope I'm wrong and Semi turns into a perennial all-star. However, based on everything I've seen he has an extremely low ceiling and will probably end up being an NBA journeyman.
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Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #92 on: December 19, 2017, 10:43:40 AM »

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Another Snarkey post  attempting to dismiss ojeleyes combine results this is a 240 lb player with chiseled physique and low body fat that had a vertical of 40.5 a incredible lateral agility score along with 8th at sprint -these drills were not elaborate and new to any players and semi's combined scores made him best athlete in combine.As a rookie you have a referee process in learning what you can and can't do.You play multiple positions against players that are expert in drawing fouls and refs giving calls to the stars.You challenge his motor-he had a shortened preseason a wholesale change in players a schedule that did afford any practices and had more to learn with playing 1-5 positions in constantly changing line-ups.
You then compare him to a BC football player who jumped his draft position because he aced the combine.Danny and Brad had been watching this kid for a long time.
You go deeper and deeper into the hole of some sour grapes critic picking on a rookie  and attempting to overturn the public comment made by Brad,hHorford and a multitude of articles praising his efforts..
He will beegin to hit threes ,its just a matter of time-the guy is and has a excellant compact stroke according to shooting coaches-he will learn to attack closeouts and he was the top NCAA shooting% on pick and pops.
When asked recently about semis defense Horfords just lit up-"great defense".
31 games in and there was Semi playing 6 minutes in 4th in a sort of must win game-.i suggest you watch his assist to Theis or his corner three or his closeout in 4th quarter and dropping both foul shots.
 
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Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #93 on: December 19, 2017, 12:59:09 PM »

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I'm not hating on Semi, or hoping he fails. I want him to succeed and help the Celtics. I'm just not as high on him as you are. I'm not particularly interested in combine results or college stats anymore, those are useful when you are attempting to guess how a draft prospect might work out, but now that he is in the NBA I don't think those things are relevant anymore. All that matters is how he performs on the court. So far his defense has been okay, not elite, not great, okay. That is very impressive for a rookie second round pick, and he has impressed Brad, again very impressive. His offensive has been horrible, not just bad shooting, but poor passing, no handle, and not in the flow of the offense. Those things may improve, he's a rookie and it's still a little early. As of right now, I think his most likely ceiling is useful defensive specialist off the bench. I don't see him as a starter or major mpg guy off the bench. Even now, the only reason he is playing is because of Hayward's injury. When Hayward comes back there simply won't be time for him. He's not going to take mpg from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or even Morris. As of right now I would put him 10th on the depth chart (Irving, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Morris, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi), when Hayward comes back he will be 11th. If we get a high draft pick next year that could easily push him down to 12th.

Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #94 on: December 19, 2017, 01:22:03 PM »

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Let's remember that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and let's be respectful to each other when debating those differences.

I hold out hope for Semi to be a good 3 and D player someday. But that day is not now and possibly might not even be for this team. He needs a lot of work offensively and he still misses switches defensively. But he does have potential.

I like him more than Yabusele who was a mid first rounder as compared to Semi's somewhat early second round selection

Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #95 on: December 19, 2017, 01:31:30 PM »

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Semi airballed a 3pt shot the other day. Disappointing


And Jordan bell is doing nice things for the warriors

Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #96 on: December 19, 2017, 01:32:31 PM »

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I'm not hating on Semi, or hoping he fails. I want him to succeed and help the Celtics. I'm just not as high on him as you are. I'm not particularly interested in combine results or college stats anymore, those are useful when you are attempting to guess how a draft prospect might work out, but now that he is in the NBA I don't think those things are relevant anymore. All that matters is how he performs on the court. So far his defense has been okay, not elite, not great, okay. That is very impressive for a rookie second round pick, and he has impressed Brad, again very impressive. His offensive has been horrible, not just bad shooting, but poor passing, no handle, and not in the flow of the offense. Those things may improve, he's a rookie and it's still a little early. As of right now, I think his most likely ceiling is useful defensive specialist off the bench. I don't see him as a starter or major mpg guy off the bench. Even now, the only reason he is playing is because of Hayward's injury. When Hayward comes back there simply won't be time for him. He's not going to take mpg from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or even Morris. As of right now I would put him 10th on the depth chart (Irving, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Morris, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi), when Hayward comes back he will be 11th. If we get a high draft pick next year that could easily push him down to 12th.
Ok? i bet you missed the game he shut down THE letter bro

Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #97 on: December 19, 2017, 02:09:25 PM »

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I'm not hating on Semi, or hoping he fails. I want him to succeed and help the Celtics. I'm just not as high on him as you are. I'm not particularly interested in combine results or college stats anymore, those are useful when you are attempting to guess how a draft prospect might work out, but now that he is in the NBA I don't think those things are relevant anymore. All that matters is how he performs on the court. So far his defense has been okay, not elite, not great, okay. That is very impressive for a rookie second round pick, and he has impressed Brad, again very impressive. His offensive has been horrible, not just bad shooting, but poor passing, no handle, and not in the flow of the offense. Those things may improve, he's a rookie and it's still a little early. As of right now, I think his most likely ceiling is useful defensive specialist off the bench. I don't see him as a starter or major mpg guy off the bench. Even now, the only reason he is playing is because of Hayward's injury. When Hayward comes back there simply won't be time for him. He's not going to take mpg from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or even Morris. As of right now I would put him 10th on the depth chart (Irving, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Morris, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi), when Hayward comes back he will be 11th. If we get a high draft pick next year that could easily push him down to 12th.
Ok? i bet you missed the game he shut down THE letter bro

Can you provide that specific game you're referring to because these are Giannis' averages over 3 games vs Boston this season:

PPG 35.0
RPG 10.7
APG 4.7
SPG 2.0
FG% 55.2
FT% 85.3
3PT% 40.0

Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #98 on: December 19, 2017, 02:19:52 PM »

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I'm not hating on Semi, or hoping he fails. I want him to succeed and help the Celtics. I'm just not as high on him as you are. I'm not particularly interested in combine results or college stats anymore, those are useful when you are attempting to guess how a draft prospect might work out, but now that he is in the NBA I don't think those things are relevant anymore. All that matters is how he performs on the court. So far his defense has been okay, not elite, not great, okay. That is very impressive for a rookie second round pick, and he has impressed Brad, again very impressive. His offensive has been horrible, not just bad shooting, but poor passing, no handle, and not in the flow of the offense. Those things may improve, he's a rookie and it's still a little early. As of right now, I think his most likely ceiling is useful defensive specialist off the bench. I don't see him as a starter or major mpg guy off the bench. Even now, the only reason he is playing is because of Hayward's injury. When Hayward comes back there simply won't be time for him. He's not going to take mpg from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or even Morris. As of right now I would put him 10th on the depth chart (Irving, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Morris, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi), when Hayward comes back he will be 11th. If we get a high draft pick next year that could easily push him down to 12th.

One i quote people who make those comments and it is common sense that a rookie is going to make mistakes on defense having to play 1-5.Also i expect he will make better decision as he gains experience.This is a rookie on a pretty good team -that plays some good defense.I think we will need him come playoffs-i have no idea how good he will become but i believe he can shoot,a i know he works really hard ,gym studying film and shooting.He is a very unique player but lacks the component i like best standing reach and wingspan but has the stance and upper and lower strength and lateral that is so rare .I believe others that quote shooting coaches on his stroke and ability to be a good shooter.I believe Brad and Horford and Hanlon.
He plays for our team is a rookie and i wish him well-if Brad says he is a good shooter and is close to elite on defense-those are the people i quote and its on them.
Being high on someone is reserved for Jason ,Jaylen,Horford ,kyrie and Marcus on defense--i'm high on mitchel,booker,kuzma as young players
but i will defend critics of our rookies because we may need them over the long season and playoff-Semi is the most likely to have an impact come playoffs as he will get tasked to defend some high profile players
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Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #99 on: December 19, 2017, 03:48:57 PM »

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I'm not hating on Semi, or hoping he fails. I want him to succeed and help the Celtics. I'm just not as high on him as you are. I'm not particularly interested in combine results or college stats anymore, those are useful when you are attempting to guess how a draft prospect might work out, but now that he is in the NBA I don't think those things are relevant anymore. All that matters is how he performs on the court. So far his defense has been okay, not elite, not great, okay. That is very impressive for a rookie second round pick, and he has impressed Brad, again very impressive. His offensive has been horrible, not just bad shooting, but poor passing, no handle, and not in the flow of the offense. Those things may improve, he's a rookie and it's still a little early. As of right now, I think his most likely ceiling is useful defensive specialist off the bench. I don't see him as a starter or major mpg guy off the bench. Even now, the only reason he is playing is because of Hayward's injury. When Hayward comes back there simply won't be time for him. He's not going to take mpg from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or even Morris. As of right now I would put him 10th on the depth chart (Irving, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Morris, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi), when Hayward comes back he will be 11th. If we get a high draft pick next year that could easily push him down to 12th.

One i quote people who make those comments and it is common sense that a rookie is going to make mistakes on defense having to play 1-5.Also i expect he will make better decision as he gains experience.This is a rookie on a pretty good team -that plays some good defense.I think we will need him come playoffs-i have no idea how good he will become but i believe he can shoot,a i know he works really hard ,gym studying film and shooting.He is a very unique player but lacks the component i like best standing reach and wingspan but has the stance and upper and lower strength and lateral that is so rare .I believe others that quote shooting coaches on his stroke and ability to be a good shooter.I believe Brad and Horford and Hanlon.
He plays for our team is a rookie and i wish him well-if Brad says he is a good shooter and is close to elite on defense-those are the people i quote and its on them.
Being high on someone is reserved for Jason ,Jaylen,Horford ,kyrie and Marcus on defense--i'm high on mitchel,booker,kuzma as young players
but i will defend critics of our rookies because we may need them over the long season and playoff-Semi is the most likely to have an impact come playoffs as he will get tasked to defend some high profile players
Really think this isn't going to happen. First Morris and possibly Hayward could be back for the playoffs. Stevens tightens up his rotations during the post season, so if those guys are healthy, Semi will be frozen out of the playoff rotation

He might get some minutes if there is foul trouble or in blowouts, but I don't see him being used as a defensive specialist against the best of competition during the playoffs. Don't see that happening at all.
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Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #100 on: December 19, 2017, 03:53:04 PM »

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The problem with Semi is that he has an extremely low skill level. As a wing, his combination of shooting, passing, and dribbling is one of the lowest in the league. To make matters worse he's an older rookie, so the probability of him improving dramatically isn't good. He's also a good athlete, but he's not a spectacular athlete. The best athletes from this past draft are easily Smith and Collins. He might be a case of Mike Mamula. A good athlete who looked like an amazing one simply because he did a lot of work getting for the combine and then posted great numbers. Like Mamula, Semi's numbers don't translate. Maybe it's a lack of motor and intensity, though.

I really hope I'm wrong and Semi turns into a perennial all-star. However, based on everything I've seen he has an extremely low ceiling and will probably end up being an NBA journeyman.
I feel like every word of that could've been said about Jae Crowder in 2013. I know it's not working out for him in Cleveland but he was a big piece for the Cavs in the Kyrie trade this summer. If Ojeleye puts in the work and has the right mentality, I don't see any reason he couldn't be a valuable 3-and-D player for a long time.
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Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #101 on: December 19, 2017, 04:01:18 PM »

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The problem with Semi is that he has an extremely low skill level. As a wing, his combination of shooting, passing, and dribbling is one of the lowest in the league. To make matters worse he's an older rookie, so the probability of him improving dramatically isn't good. He's also a good athlete, but he's not a spectacular athlete. The best athletes from this past draft are easily Smith and Collins. He might be a case of Mike Mamula. A good athlete who looked like an amazing one simply because he did a lot of work getting for the combine and then posted great numbers. Like Mamula, Semi's numbers don't translate. Maybe it's a lack of motor and intensity, though.

I really hope I'm wrong and Semi turns into a perennial all-star. However, based on everything I've seen he has an extremely low ceiling and will probably end up being an NBA journeyman.
I feel like every word of that could've been said about Jae Crowder in 2013. I know it's not working out for him in Cleveland but he was a big piece for the Cavs in the Kyrie trade this summer. If Ojeleye puts in the work and has the right mentality, I don't see any reason he couldn't be a valuable 3-and-D player for a long time.
All true about Jae but let's not pretend that every 2nd round tweener is the same and will take the same career path. Almost all the time, they don't. We got lucky with Crowder.

I hope we are lucky again with Semi. I like the kid. My expectations are low though. I think he has very strong 3&D potential and could be a great addition to any rotation. Time will tell if he is.

Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #102 on: December 19, 2017, 04:02:53 PM »

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I think it depends on what we mean by valuable. If you are thinking he can be a useful 3 and D guy off the bench, a quality role player, then yes, I could see that happening, provided that he actually can shoot. It seems to me that some people are thinking that he is a future all-star level player. I don't see that at all. I don't even expect him to be a starter, he looks to me like a bench player at best.

Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #103 on: December 20, 2017, 07:30:56 AM »

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The problem with Semi is that he has an extremely low skill level. As a wing, his combination of shooting, passing, and dribbling is one of the lowest in the league. To make matters worse he's an older rookie, so the probability of him improving dramatically isn't good. He's also a good athlete, but he's not a spectacular athlete. The best athletes from this past draft are easily Smith and Collins. He might be a case of Mike Mamula. A good athlete who looked like an amazing one simply because he did a lot of work getting for the combine and then posted great numbers. Like Mamula, Semi's numbers don't translate. Maybe it's a lack of motor and intensity, though.

I really hope I'm wrong and Semi turns into a perennial all-star. However, based on everything I've seen he has an extremely low ceiling and will probably end up being an NBA journeyman.
I feel like every word of that could've been said about Jae Crowder in 2013. I know it's not working out for him in Cleveland but he was a big piece for the Cavs in the Kyrie trade this summer. If Ojeleye puts in the work and has the right mentality, I don't see any reason he couldn't be a valuable 3-and-D player for a long time.

The difference between him and Jae, along with the other undersized players he often gets compared to like Green, PJ Tucker, etc., is the motor. Those players play really hard, give multiple efforts on plays, and have a certain toughness and edge to them that offsets their lack of height. Semi doesn't have that. His hustle stats are awful - 0.3 SPG, 0.0 BPG, 2.1 RPG in 14.2 MPG - and have been awful since college - 0.4 SPG, 0.4 BPG, 6.9 RPG in 34.1 MPG - even though he played in a weak conference against subpar opposition. There is no grittiness or fight in Semi; he's a finesse type player that plays with a gas tank that's always on E.

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« Reply #104 on: December 20, 2017, 07:53:06 AM »

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The problem with Semi is that he has an extremely low skill level. As a wing, his combination of shooting, passing, and dribbling is one of the lowest in the league. To make matters worse he's an older rookie, so the probability of him improving dramatically isn't good. He's also a good athlete, but he's not a spectacular athlete. The best athletes from this past draft are easily Smith and Collins. He might be a case of Mike Mamula. A good athlete who looked like an amazing one simply because he did a lot of work getting for the combine and then posted great numbers. Like Mamula, Semi's numbers don't translate. Maybe it's a lack of motor and intensity, though.

I really hope I'm wrong and Semi turns into a perennial all-star. However, based on everything I've seen he has an extremely low ceiling and will probably end up being an NBA journeyman.
I feel like every word of that could've been said about Jae Crowder in 2013. I know it's not working out for him in Cleveland but he was a big piece for the Cavs in the Kyrie trade this summer. If Ojeleye puts in the work and has the right mentality, I don't see any reason he couldn't be a valuable 3-and-D player for a long time.

The difference between him and Jae, along with the other undersized players he often gets compared to like Green, PJ Tucker, etc., is the motor. Those players play really hard, give multiple efforts on plays, and have a certain toughness and edge to them that offsets their lack of height. Semi doesn't have that. His hustle stats are awful - 0.3 SPG, 0.0 BPG, 2.1 RPG in 14.2 MPG - and have been awful since college - 0.4 SPG, 0.4 BPG, 6.9 RPG in 34.1 MPG - even though he played in a weak conference against subpar opposition. There is no grittiness or fight in Semi; he's a finesse type player that plays with a gas tank that's always on E.

I think that isn't completely unfair. Could be a case of him finding his feet. He transfered. Could be that once he gets more comfortable he could develop. No way I'm giving up on him breaking out - lucky he only sucks up 900K of the cap for next year...

C'mon Semi - you have 6 months and 15 days to turn into PJ Tucker.
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