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Re: A franchise PG that shoots 53 percent FT's will not pan out
« Reply #60 on: December 28, 2009, 05:13:39 PM »

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glad rondo had the ball in the crunch. shows he's got the cohone's to  be clutch.  practice makes perfect. i'm confident he will develop into a deadly end game player.


clutch to me is hittin that big 3pt....

oh yeah...hittin ya FREE throws...

paul pierce is clutch, but i seem to remember him blowing a few  games at the free throw line. pierce always had it in him but he had to work and get a lot of late game touches to become the cold blooded finisher he is.
i believe rondo possesses the same trait. with pierce out seems like a good opportunity give the kid the rock.
its the clips in december, not a lot riding on the game. aside from the emotional stability of the celtics blog collective.

Re: A franchise PG that shoots 53 percent FT's will not pan out
« Reply #61 on: December 28, 2009, 05:24:25 PM »

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glad rondo had the ball in the crunch. shows he's got the cohone's to  be clutch.  practice makes perfect. i'm confident he will develop into a deadly end game player.


clutch to me is hittin that big 3pt....

oh yeah...hittin ya FREE throws...

  Rondo makes plenty of clutch plays.


yeah with a hand in his face and contact..

but free throws?...

  He also makes clutch rebounds and steals...

Re: A franchise PG that shoots 53 percent FT's will not pan out
« Reply #62 on: December 28, 2009, 05:28:32 PM »

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I agree it's unacceptable. If the current regime isn't working, then the Cs should hire a free-throw shooting coach, a reputed specialist like Palubinskas for example, and "ask" Rondo to work with him. Even Shaq shot his free-throws at nearly 70% when he was properly coached.
When exactly did Shaq ever shoot 70% from the line in a season? Did I miss something?

Yeps, you missed my post. I never said he shot 70% from the line in a season, I said he shot "nearly at 70%" when he was properly coached. Then he decided he didn't need to be coached any more, so his efficiency dropped again.

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O'Neal reached a low point in his free throw shooting during the 2000-2001 season, finding himself at a miserable 38% on the season in December 2000. At that time, the Lakers hired Ed Palubinskas, a 90% free throw shooter during his own playing days, to help coach O'Neal. The tactic seemed to eventually pay dividends and O'Neal shot almost 68% over the last 15 games of that season, prompting O'Neal at one point to loudly bark, "It doesn't work any more!" at his opposition when the Hack-a-Shaq strategy was being used.

Ultimately however, O'Neal ceased his work with Palubinskas and has since been unable to maintain the level of success he found late in that 2000-2001 season.



Rondo got shooting coaching and instruction from Mark Price, a great shooter. He has Ray Allen on his team and a great coaching staff at his disposal. Give him time. It's only December. He shot 38% from the line in November and 61% from the line in December. I think improvement is coming. Mark Price even said in an interview that we would notice the difference in his shooting towards the end of the year, not the beginning. Rondo has never done anything for me not to trust him, his talent or his work ethic. I expect improvement and am willing to be patient with him.

For how long has Rondo worked with Mark Price? Two days?
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Re: A franchise PG that shoots 53 percent FT's will not pan out
« Reply #63 on: December 28, 2009, 05:40:30 PM »

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i'd give scal the last second shot over rondo any day.....

real talk..give scal a few picks..kevin shootin 25 footers and hittin 25% of em..lets see what others can do..

big 3 cant bring it every nite..well now big 2

Re: A franchise PG that shoots 53 percent FT's will not pan out
« Reply #64 on: December 28, 2009, 05:41:56 PM »

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do pro nba players really need coaching on free throws...?

hell...start lay up drills and line touches...omg

Re: A franchise PG that shoots 53 percent FT's will not pan out
« Reply #65 on: December 28, 2009, 05:44:26 PM »

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last nite if doc put me in with 2 seconds left and for sum strange reason rondo inbound the ball to me and i got fouled?..

on the set i woulda hit them FREE throws..

Re: A franchise PG that shoots 53 percent FT's will not pan out
« Reply #66 on: December 28, 2009, 05:51:56 PM »

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last nite if doc put me in with 2 seconds left and for sum strange reason rondo inbound the ball to me and i got fouled?..

on the set i woulda hit them FREE throws..

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Re: A franchise PG that shoots 53 percent FT's will not pan out
« Reply #67 on: December 28, 2009, 05:56:07 PM »

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life been tuff for me playa..

i been cussed and cuffed and all that...people waving "waving foam thangs" and yellin "miss"..would not fade my Free throws when im making millions...no sir never...

Re: A franchise PG that shoots 53 percent FT's will not pan out
« Reply #68 on: December 28, 2009, 05:57:59 PM »

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I'm 14, I shoot jumpers 3-4 hours a day. It's not that hard, just needs motivation. He'll get there. It's harder to get there mentally than physically, but once you're there physically, it starts to come together mentally easier.

Re: A franchise PG that shoots 53 percent FT's will not pan out
« Reply #69 on: December 28, 2009, 06:31:06 PM »

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Hire A Euro Shooting Coach. They taught centers how to shoot. I'm sure they can teach a little point-guard.
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Re: A franchise PG that shoots 53 percent FT's will not pan out
« Reply #70 on: December 28, 2009, 06:38:38 PM »

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I agree it's unacceptable. If the current regime isn't working, then the Cs should hire a free-throw shooting coach, a reputed specialist like Palubinskas for example, and "ask" Rondo to work with him. Even Shaq shot his free-throws at nearly 70% when he was properly coached.
When exactly did Shaq ever shoot 70% from the line in a season? Did I miss something?

Yeps, you missed my post. I never said he shot 70% from the line in a season, I said he shot "nearly at 70%" when he was properly coached. Then he decided he didn't need to be coached any more, so his efficiency dropped again.

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O'Neal reached a low point in his free throw shooting during the 2000-2001 season, finding himself at a miserable 38% on the season in December 2000. At that time, the Lakers hired Ed Palubinskas, a 90% free throw shooter during his own playing days, to help coach O'Neal. The tactic seemed to eventually pay dividends and O'Neal shot almost 68% over the last 15 games of that season, prompting O'Neal at one point to loudly bark, "It doesn't work any more!" at his opposition when the Hack-a-Shaq strategy was being used.

Ultimately however, O'Neal ceased his work with Palubinskas and has since been unable to maintain the level of success he found late in that 2000-2001 season.



Rondo got shooting coaching and instruction from Mark Price, a great shooter. He has Ray Allen on his team and a great coaching staff at his disposal. Give him time. It's only December. He shot 38% from the line in November and 61% from the line in December. I think improvement is coming. Mark Price even said in an interview that we would notice the difference in his shooting towards the end of the year, not the beginning. Rondo has never done anything for me not to trust him, his talent or his work ethic. I expect improvement and am willing to be patient with him.

How many time has Rondo worked with Mark Price? Two days?
You're saying a 15 game stretch of heightened free throw shooting is proof of proper coaching? 15 games? So was he getting proper coaching between 12/3/08 and 1/18/09 when he went 91 for 133 shooting 68.4% during that 15 game span? Or what about between 2/23/2003 and 3/31/2003 went 157 for 236 shooting 66.6% during that 20 game span?

Isn't it just as likely that he just had another good stretch because he was paying attention to what he was doing rather than good coaching? Because obviously, he did have equally good stretches without that special coaching as he had when he was supposedly getting his good coaching.

Re: A franchise PG that shoots 53 percent FT's will not pan out
« Reply #71 on: December 28, 2009, 06:42:38 PM »

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anyone that watches can see rond's shot has improved. his form is way more consistent now. he missed. he missed again. sucks but he's improving. I'm fricking thrilled he's our point guard right now. he most definitely will pan out.

Re: A franchise PG that shoots 53 percent FT's will not pan out
« Reply #72 on: December 28, 2009, 07:15:24 PM »

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I agree it's unacceptable. If the current regime isn't working, then the Cs should hire a free-throw shooting coach, a reputed specialist like Palubinskas for example, and "ask" Rondo to work with him. Even Shaq shot his free-throws at nearly 70% when he was properly coached.
When exactly did Shaq ever shoot 70% from the line in a season? Did I miss something?

Yeps, you missed my post. I never said he shot 70% from the line in a season, I said he shot "nearly at 70%" when he was properly coached. Then he decided he didn't need to be coached any more, so his efficiency dropped again.

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O'Neal reached a low point in his free throw shooting during the 2000-2001 season, finding himself at a miserable 38% on the season in December 2000. At that time, the Lakers hired Ed Palubinskas, a 90% free throw shooter during his own playing days, to help coach O'Neal. The tactic seemed to eventually pay dividends and O'Neal shot almost 68% over the last 15 games of that season, prompting O'Neal at one point to loudly bark, "It doesn't work any more!" at his opposition when the Hack-a-Shaq strategy was being used.

Ultimately however, O'Neal ceased his work with Palubinskas and has since been unable to maintain the level of success he found late in that 2000-2001 season.



Rondo got shooting coaching and instruction from Mark Price, a great shooter. He has Ray Allen on his team and a great coaching staff at his disposal. Give him time. It's only December. He shot 38% from the line in November and 61% from the line in December. I think improvement is coming. Mark Price even said in an interview that we would notice the difference in his shooting towards the end of the year, not the beginning. Rondo has never done anything for me not to trust him, his talent or his work ethic. I expect improvement and am willing to be patient with him.

How many time has Rondo worked with Mark Price? Two days?
You're saying a 15 game stretch of heightened free throw shooting is proof of proper coaching? 15 games? So was he getting proper coaching between 12/3/08 and 1/18/09 when he went 91 for 133 shooting 68.4% during that 15 game span? Or what about between 2/23/2003 and 3/31/2003 went 157 for 236 shooting 66.6% during that 20 game span?

Isn't it just as likely that he just had another good stretch because he was paying attention to what he was doing rather than good coaching? Because obviously, he did have equally good stretches without that special coaching as he had when he was supposedly getting his good coaching.

Me? I thought Phil Jackson said it too. And I thought it was quite visible (and consensual) that he was finally being consistent with a motion and looking more comfortable. But maybe Shaq was right in firing the coach and the Lakers organization was wrong in wanting him to keep working.

I really don't see the downside here. If something isn't working, why wouldn't one try to fix it? Rondo still has too many moving parts in his motion. Ainge and the staff are the ones who have more insight on how much it's worth waiting for results, but as I've said, if the current regime isn't working, then it's time to consider moving on with more drastic measures and hire a full-time FT shooting instructor.


Re: A franchise PG that shoots 53 percent FT's will not pan out
« Reply #73 on: December 28, 2009, 07:21:45 PM »

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I said it in a above atatement, his hands are too BIG to be a great FT shooter. Which puts him in the Center category so dont expect more than a career 60-65% shooter at best. He doesnt have little hands like Mark Price, he needs instruction from someone with the same problem.

Michael Jordan had huge hands. As big or bigger than Rondo's.

Its about dexterity which Im pretty sure Rondo has. He just has/had terrible form. He can fix it but it takes a lot of work.

Re: A franchise PG that shoots 53 percent FT's will not pan out
« Reply #74 on: December 28, 2009, 07:27:06 PM »

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Hire A Euro Shooting Coach. They taught centers how to shoot. I'm sure they can teach a little point-guard.

Greenbean is right, the big hands thing is a myth - it just requires different mechanics. There are lot of American bigs that can shoot well - the only difference is that due to differences in the style of play, European bigs are required to shoot more, so they practice it more (the same reason why NBA bigs generally become better shooters as their career progresses), it's not like European coaches have some sort of secret formula.