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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: Tr1boy on April 18, 2018, 11:56:39 AM
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I sincerely believe this. The guy just can't shoot. Terrible 3 point shooter
This said he is still an all star at the NBA level. No question. But I laugh at some analyst/experts who state he is one of the likely players to take over Lebron, KD status once they retire
I doubt it. He is a tall SF that can't shoot. How many forwards that can't shoot actually end up becoming a great player?
As well not sure what has happened to his passing skills (pre draft).
Would be a good 2nd option on a team trying to to win a championship
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I sincerely believe this. The guy just can't shoot. Terrible 3 point shooter
This said he is still an all star at the NBA level. No question. But I laugh at some analyst/experts who state he is one of the likely players to take over Lebron, KD status once they retire
I doubt it. He is a tall SF that can't shoot. How many forwards that can't shoot actually end up becoming a great player?
As well not sure what has happened to his passing skills (pre draft).
Would be a good 2nd option on a team trying to to win a championship
Giannis is a #1 option, lol. He's already elite.
He's not the problem on that Bucks team.
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I sincerely believe this. The guy just can't shoot. Terrible 3 point shooter
This said he is still an all star at the NBA level. No question. But I laugh at some analyst/experts who state he is one of the likely players to take over Lebron, KD status once they retire
I doubt it. He is a tall SF that can't shoot. How many forwards that can't shoot actually end up becoming a great player?
As well not sure what has happened to his passing skills (pre draft).
Would be a good 2nd option on a team trying to to win a championship
To answer your question; the first two to come to mind are Garnett and Duncan.
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I would say he's already "elite". But no doubt, if you improve a weakness on any player it takes them to another level. Giannis with more reliable range is almost unthinkably frightening. As it is, all he needs is better structure around him for improved team success.
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He's already a great/elite player.
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To answer your question; the first two to come to mind are Garnett and Duncan.
Huh? Garnett and Duncan could both shoot from their rookie year till their last year.
Duncan shot 42% on long twos his rookie year, Garnett shot 41% and both shot them pretty frequently.
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Player development is key in any profession. That being said, he still is ELITE. He is ALL - NBA and we will see what the professionals think of him at the end of this year. You have an opinion, on Elite. And I agree with you a jump shot is holding him back. But he is still a Top 15 player in this league now, and show only get better.
Do you agree he is a top 15 player and will only get better?
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To answer your question; the first two to come to mind are Garnett and Duncan.
Huh? Garnett and Duncan could both shoot from their rookie year till their last year.
Duncan shot 42% on long twos his rookie year, Garnett shot 41% and both shot them pretty frequently.
The knock on Giannis in the OP was that he didn’t have three point range.
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He's already elite. His lack of range does require teams to prioritize getting more shooting and spacing around him, though, but every team in the league is willing to deal with that kind of problem.
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To answer your question; the first two to come to mind are Garnett and Duncan.
Huh? Garnett and Duncan could both shoot from their rookie year till their last year.
Duncan shot 42% on long twos his rookie year, Garnett shot 41% and both shot them pretty frequently.
The knock on Giannis in the OP was that he didn’t have three point range.
Eh, mentions 3 point shooting but mostly about shooting in general. Nor does he need it honestly given that his ability to attack the rim means that just any reliable jumper will go a long way to giving him room to work.
Think Westbrook and LeBron having the pull up as an option opened things up for them so much as they improved their game. Ideally you want the 3 as an option eventually of course.
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He's already elite. His lack of range does require teams to prioritize getting more shooting and spacing around him, though, but every team in the league is willing to deal with that kind of problem.
Yeah Brown and Tatum have darn good 3 point shots and Danny/Brad would swap em for Giannis faster than OP could make a thread calling it a franchise sinking move.
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To answer your question; the first two to come to mind are Garnett and Duncan.
Huh? Garnett and Duncan could both shoot from their rookie year till their last year.
Duncan shot 42% on long twos his rookie year, Garnett shot 41% and both shot them pretty frequently.
The knock on Giannis in the OP was that he didn’t have three point range.
He doesn't have a mid range shot either
Everything its trying to utilize good athleticism + freaky reach
But there is a limit as to how far this can take you. Especially when there are one, two , three guys waiting for you underneath the net
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To answer your question; the first two to come to mind are Garnett and Duncan.
Huh? Garnett and Duncan could both shoot from their rookie year till their last year.
Duncan shot 42% on long twos his rookie year, Garnett shot 41% and both shot them pretty frequently.
The knock on Giannis in the OP was that he didn’t have three point range.
Eh, mentions 3 point shooting but mostly about shooting in general. Nor does he need it honestly given that his ability to attack the rim means that just any reliable jumper will go a long way to giving him room to work.
Think Westbrook and LeBron having the pull up as an option opened things up for them so much as they improved their game. Ideally you want the 3 as an option eventually of course.
Giannis’ mid range jumper has become serviceable.
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I would say he's already "elite". But no doubt, if you improve a weakness on any player it takes them to another level. Giannis with more reliable range is almost unthinkably frightening. As it is, all he needs is better structure around him for improved team success.
Elite imo is Lebron, KD, Leonard(when healthy)
When there is a "wall" or obstacle in front of them, they still find ways to score
When there are guys waiting for Giannis underneath the basket to take a charge, block the lane or ready to swat his layup, he has no other option to resort to (shooting)
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To answer your question; the first two to come to mind are Garnett and Duncan.
Huh? Garnett and Duncan could both shoot from their rookie year till their last year.
Duncan shot 42% on long twos his rookie year, Garnett shot 41% and both shot them pretty frequently.
The knock on Giannis in the OP was that he didn’t have three point range.
Eh, mentions 3 point shooting but mostly about shooting in general. Nor does he need it honestly given that his ability to attack the rim means that just any reliable jumper will go a long way to giving him room to work.
Think Westbrook and LeBron having the pull up as an option opened things up for them so much as they improved their game. Ideally you want the 3 as an option eventually of course.
Giannis’ mid range jumper has become serviceable.
Do you even remember him taking/making a mid range jump shot so far? Serviceable means he will mix it up into his repertoire. And do it comfortably with decent pressure against him
If he can make it when WIDE open, non playoff environment, it is kind of useless
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Giannis is not the most savy player on the court alot of the time . His shear height ,freak athletic ability he forces the play to succeed. Him and Westbrook remind me of race greyhounds
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To answer your question; the first two to come to mind are Garnett and Duncan.
Huh? Garnett and Duncan could both shoot from their rookie year till their last year.
Duncan shot 42% on long twos his rookie year, Garnett shot 41% and both shot them pretty frequently.
The knock on Giannis in the OP was that he didn’t have three point range.
Eh, mentions 3 point shooting but mostly about shooting in general. Nor does he need it honestly given that his ability to attack the rim means that just any reliable jumper will go a long way to giving him room to work.
Think Westbrook and LeBron having the pull up as an option opened things up for them so much as they improved their game. Ideally you want the 3 as an option eventually of course.
Giannis’ mid range jumper has become serviceable.
Do you even remember him taking/making a mid range jump shot so far? Serviceable means he will mix it up into his repertoire. And do it comfortably with decent pressure against him
If he can make it when WIDE open, non playoff environment, it is kind of useless
He had a step-back move to the FT line against Horford last night. The move looked really good, the shot...not so much but it went it.
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triboy Giannis made 2 jumpers just this last game, which I know you just watched last night lol. Shot chart shows 2 jumpers made out of 6. His three wasn't even close, but his short jumper looks solid.
If anything its not that it isn't there for him, he just needs to take it more confidently. But you also don't want him to settle either. He needs better coaching and offensive system/plan to balance it all and open the floor for him.
C's do a good job of this with all, he took 5 jump shots (1 of which was a 3)
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To answer your question; the first two to come to mind are Garnett and Duncan.
Huh? Garnett and Duncan could both shoot from their rookie year till their last year.
Duncan shot 42% on long twos his rookie year, Garnett shot 41% and both shot them pretty frequently.
The knock on Giannis in the OP was that he didn’t have three point range.
Eh, mentions 3 point shooting but mostly about shooting in general. Nor does he need it honestly given that his ability to attack the rim means that just any reliable jumper will go a long way to giving him room to work.
Think Westbrook and LeBron having the pull up as an option opened things up for them so much as they improved their game. Ideally you want the 3 as an option eventually of course.
Giannis’ mid range jumper has become serviceable.
Do you even remember him taking/making a mid range jump shot so far? Serviceable means he will mix it up into his repertoire. And do it comfortably with decent pressure against him
If he can make it when WIDE open, non playoff environment, it is kind of useless
He had a step-back move to the FT line against Horford last night. The move looked really good, the shot...not so much but it went it.
within 5-7 feet with his length I don't even consider that shooting. More like pushing/flipping the ball in
I'm talking about catch and shoot or dribble stop and shoot from 15 feet and out
I think ELITE is being used lightly.
Jaylen Brown once he reaches potential/consistency will be better than Giannis. Book it
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He had a step-back move to the FT line against Horford last night. The move looked really good, the shot...not so much but it went it.
I think his 10-16 foot jumpers are pretty good. Especially if he takes them in rhythm instead of a panic.
He dribbles into trouble a lot because the Bucks just don't have any other plan other than for him to create if Middleton's action doesn't work properly.
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triboy Giannis made 2 jumpers just this last game, which I know you just watched last night lol. Shot chart shows 2 jumpers made out of 6. His three wasn't even close, but his short jumper looks solid.
If anything its not that it isn't there for him, he just needs to take it more confidently. But you also don't want him to settle either. He needs better coaching and offensive system/plan to balance it all and open the floor for him.
C's do a good job of this with all, he took 5 jump shots (1 of which was a 3)
those were considered jump shots? I don't know
I haven't seen a clean confident stroke from 17 ft when the intensity really picks up/late in games
and without it, teams can prepare for his weapon of choice (drive to basket for layup)
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within 5-7 feet with his length I don't even consider that shooting. More like pushing/flipping the ball in
Okay, can we have some real talk? Because I am concerned.
How far do you think the free throw line is from the hoop?
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Giannis is elite already... without the jumper... you can't defend him with one player... and he can find the free shooter... taller than guards... faster than centers... except LeBron and Durant who can defend him alone... you need Brown outside and Horford inside and hope the shooter misses...
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Giannis is elite already... without the jumper... you can't defend him with one player... and he can find the free shooter... taller than guards... faster than centers... except LeBron and Durant who can defend him alone... you need Brown outside and Horford inside and hope the shooter misses...
define elite?
because if it was KD or Lebron or Leonard or Curry in place of Giannis....Bucks might be up 2-0 instead
Elite = cream of the crop
something Giannis is not at the moment
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Jayson Tatum only shot 25.8% from 3-10 feet. He had nearly 11% of all of his attempts from that range. Brown wasn't much better at 32.1% and nearly 14% of his attempts from that range.
You can nitpick everyone for something.
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within 5-7 feet with his length I don't even consider that shooting. More like pushing/flipping the ball in
Okay, can we have some real talk? Because I am concerned.
How far do you think the free throw line is from the hoop?
you are using examples (his 2 jump shots out of how many he took in total) to state that he can shoot a clean/comfortable jump shot. Especially required late in games to avoid running into a wall
So basically the reality is that he can't shoot
and goes back to my point...that if you can't as a forward in todays league, you can't be considered elite
Example ...last night with 2 min left, lane clogged, he had time and space (considering his length) to shoot a 3 or a long mid range. But he was just surveying the floor, uncomfortable, and shot a brick 3
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triboy Giannis made 2 jumpers just this last game, which I know you just watched last night lol. Shot chart shows 2 jumpers made out of 6. His three wasn't even close, but his short jumper looks solid.
If anything its not that it isn't there for him, he just needs to take it more confidently. But you also don't want him to settle either. He needs better coaching and offensive system/plan to balance it all and open the floor for him.
C's do a good job of this with all, he took 5 jump shots (1 of which was a 3)
those were considered jump shots? I don't know
I haven't seen a clean confident stroke from 17 ft when the intensity really picks up/late in games
and without it, teams can prepare for his weapon of choice (drive to basket for layup)
Teams can prepare for it, and then Giannis scores anyway.
You're really underselling how good this guy is at getting to the rim. You can pack the paint and he still finishes.
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Bucks are a bad playoff team but this has nothing to do with Giannis. He's been elite for some time now.
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within 5-7 feet with his length I don't even consider that shooting. More like pushing/flipping the ball in
Okay, can we have some real talk? Because I am concerned.
How far do you think the free throw line is from the hoop?
you are using examples (his 2 jump shots out of how many he took in total) to state that he can shoot a clean/comfortable jump shot. Especially required late in games to avoid running into a wall
So basically the reality is that he can't shoot
and goes back to my point...that if you can't as a forward in todays league, you can't be considered elite
Example ...last night with 2 min left, lane clogged, he had time and space (considering his length) to shoot a 3 or a long mid range. But he was just surveying the floor, uncomfortable, and shot a brick 3
Look, you commented on how a step back jumper at the free throw line wasn't impressive because it was:
within 5-7 feet with his length I don't even consider that shooting. More like pushing/flipping the ball in
How far is the free throw line from the hoop. I'm guessing you wrote a long paragraph to not answer that is that you know in your heart, its not 5 to 7 feet.
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triboy Giannis made 2 jumpers just this last game, which I know you just watched last night lol. Shot chart shows 2 jumpers made out of 6. His three wasn't even close, but his short jumper looks solid.
If anything its not that it isn't there for him, he just needs to take it more confidently. But you also don't want him to settle either. He needs better coaching and offensive system/plan to balance it all and open the floor for him.
C's do a good job of this with all, he took 5 jump shots (1 of which was a 3)
those were considered jump shots? I don't know
I haven't seen a clean confident stroke from 17 ft when the intensity really picks up/late in games
and without it, teams can prepare for his weapon of choice (drive to basket for layup)
Teams can prepare for it, and then Giannis scores anyway.
You're really underselling how good this guy is at getting to the rim. You can pack the paint and he still finishes.
You will see in the playoffs like last night/proper game plan...that he can't do that when lane is clogged/late in games
It happened during the regular season also
again I never said he sukks. OR is not a good player. Just don't say he is elite or will be without a jump shot
Its like the same thing that prevented Rondo to become an elite PG
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He is good enough to be elite IMO
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He is good enough to be elite IMO
;D
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Giannis is the 4th best player in the NBA (IMO) behind only James, Curry, and Durant. I'd listen to arguments on Harden, Davis, Westbrook, and a healthy Leonard, but that is it.
In the 2 playoff games, Giannis is averaging 32.5/11/7.5 with 2 steals and is shooting 63.2% from the field. There isn't a whole lot more he can do, the Bucks just aren't a very well constructed team and Joe Prunty is in way over his head.
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Giannis is the 4th best player in the NBA (IMO) behind only James, Curry, and Durant. I'd listen to arguments on Harden, Davis, Westbrook, and a healthy Leonard, but that is it.
In the 2 playoff games, Giannis is averaging 32.5/11/7.5 with 2 steals and is shooting 63.2% from the field. There isn't a whole lot more he can do, the Bucks just aren't a very well constructed team and Joe Prunty is in way over his head.
He is not better than Harden, Davis, Westbrook and a healthy Leonard. Not even better than Derozan (with a jump shot now)
Come on now
I place Giannis in a similar tier to Lillard, Wall
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Giannis is the 4th best player in the NBA (IMO) behind only James, Curry, and Durant. I'd listen to arguments on Harden, Davis, Westbrook, and a healthy Leonard, but that is it.
In the 2 playoff games, Giannis is averaging 32.5/11/7.5 with 2 steals and is shooting 63.2% from the field. There isn't a whole lot more he can do, the Bucks just aren't a very well constructed team and Joe Prunty is in way over his head.
His numbers are great but when I watch the Bucks I just don't feel like Giannis is having a positive effect on his teammates the way LeBron and Ben Simmons do, or the way Nikola Jokic does, for example.
A lot of that is the fault of the Bucks having a crappy system on both ends of the floor. But I do think that people get a little bit carried away praising Giannis for having a great "feel" for the game. He's an amazing athlete who has developed a lot of skill for basketball in a relatively short time, but I don't think he sees the game the way some of the elite playmakers do. He's a guy who's focused on getting to the basket, again and again. There's a lot of value in that, but he's not dominating the game the way a player with his size and skillset could, jumper or no jumper.
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Giannis is the 4th best player in the NBA (IMO) behind only James, Curry, and Durant. I'd listen to arguments on Harden, Davis, Westbrook, and a healthy Leonard, but that is it.
In the 2 playoff games, Giannis is averaging 32.5/11/7.5 with 2 steals and is shooting 63.2% from the field. There isn't a whole lot more he can do, the Bucks just aren't a very well constructed team and Joe Prunty is in way over his head.
His numbers are great but when I watch the Bucks I just don't feel like Giannis is having a positive effect on his teammates the way LeBron and Ben Simmons do, or the way Nikola Jokic does, for example.
A lot of that is the fault of the Bucks having a crappy system on both ends of the floor. But I do think that people get a little bit carried away praising Giannis for having a great "feel" for the game. He's an amazing athlete who has developed a lot of skill for basketball in a relatively short time, but I don't think he sees the game the way some of the elite playmakers do. He's a guy who's focused on getting to the basket, again and again. There's a lot of value in that, but he's not dominating the game the way a player with his size and skillset could, jumper or no jumper.
Good good points
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His numbers are great but when I watch the Bucks I just don't feel like Giannis is having a positive effect on his teammates the way LeBron and Ben Simmons do, or the way Nikola Jokic does, for example.
Yeah, I see some of that. He often looks like he can get anything he wants, but the team doesn't seem to be able to feed off of this. I'd chalk this down to part inexperience, part questionable coaching.
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Giannis is the 4th best player in the NBA (IMO) behind only James, Curry, and Duyrant. I'd listen to arguments on Harden, Davis, Westbrook, and a healthy Leonard, but that is it.
In the 2 playoff games, Giannis is averaging 32.5/11/7.5 with 2 steals and is shooting 63.2% from the field. There isn't a whole lot more he can do, the Bucks just aren't a very well constructed team and Joe Prunty is in way over his head.
He is not better than Harden, Davis, Westbrook and a healthy Leonard. Not even better than Derozan (with a jump shot now)
Come on now
I place Giannis in a similar tier to Lillard, Wall
He’s better than Westbrook and Derozan.
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Giannis is the 4th best player in the NBA (IMO) behind only James, Curry, and Duyrant. I'd listen to arguments on Harden, Davis, Westbrook, and a healthy Leonard, but that is it.
In the 2 playoff games, Giannis is averaging 32.5/11/7.5 with 2 steals and is shooting 63.2% from the field. There isn't a whole lot more he can do, the Bucks just aren't a very well constructed team and Joe Prunty is in way over his head.
He is not better than Harden, Davis, Westbrook and a healthy Leonard. Not even better than Derozan (with a jump shot now)
Come on now
I place Giannis in a similar tier to Lillard, Wall
He’s better than Westbrook and Derozan.
We can agree to disagree
but I would take Westbrook or Derozan ahead of the greekman
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I always thought Giannis was overrated.
I still feel like we should sag off him even more than we do when he get the call behind the arc. Too often is he getting the ball around the free throw line and that’s just too deep.
I just don’t think he could ever be the leader of a contender.
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I just hope we eventually will agree on how far the free throw line is from the hoop.
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I just hope we eventually will agree on how far the free throw line is from the hoop.
I do agree but he needs to comfortably be able to make 17 + foot jump shots to take his game to the next level
Plus like a few guys already stated he doesnt make others on the team better.
Both of these things may come with more experience. Shooting im less optimistic of
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Giannis is the 4th best player in the NBA (IMO) behind only James, Curry, and Durant. I'd listen to arguments on Harden, Davis, Westbrook, and a healthy Leonard, but that is it.
In the 2 playoff games, Giannis is averaging 32.5/11/7.5 with 2 steals and is shooting 63.2% from the field. There isn't a whole lot more he can do, the Bucks just aren't a very well constructed team and Joe Prunty is in way over his head.
His numbers are great but when I watch the Bucks I just don't feel like Giannis is having a positive effect on his teammates the way LeBron and Ben Simmons do, or the way Nikola Jokic does, for example.
A lot of that is the fault of the Bucks having a crappy system on both ends of the floor. But I do think that people get a little bit carried away praising Giannis for having a great "feel" for the game. He's an amazing athlete who has developed a lot of skill for basketball in a relatively short time, but I don't think he sees the game the way some of the elite playmakers do. He's a guy who's focused on getting to the basket, again and again. There's a lot of value in that, but he's not dominating the game the way a player with his size and skillset could, jumper or no jumper.
One of the scary things I've noticed about Giannis this series is that he's still a bit clumsy out there at times - some awkward footwork, getting a bit off-balance when he doesn't need to, sloppy passes, etc. And he's STILL the most dominant force on the court.
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Imagine if Giannis had Reddick, Illyasova, and Bellinelli around him like Simmons does.
Bledsoe, regardless of stats, is not a good shooter. Neither is Snell. Obviously Henson isn't great either.
It's one of the reasons why Jason Terry is still getting minutes at the age of 63.
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Agreed -- this whole MVP candidate talk is majorly premature. Giannis' inability to shoot is a major factor in Milwaukee's lack of organization and effectiveness in team offense. Too scattered. The team is always trying to make up for his offensive limitations. The team's whole offense frequently stalls while it tries to make space for him. To give him extra time on the ball that he needs in order to find a way to attack because defense is dropping so far off of him.
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Agreed -- this whole MVP candidate talk is majorly premature. Giannis' inability to shoot is a major factor in Milwaukee's lack of organization and effectiveness in team offense. Too scattered. The team is always trying to make up for his offensive limitations.
Couldnt have said it better
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Giannis is the 4th best player in the NBA (IMO) behind only James, Curry, and Durant. I'd listen to arguments on Harden, Davis, Westbrook, and a healthy Leonard, but that is it.
In the 2 playoff games, Giannis is averaging 32.5/11/7.5 with 2 steals and is shooting 63.2% from the field. There isn't a whole lot more he can do, the Bucks just aren't a very well constructed team and Joe Prunty is in way over his head.
His numbers are great but when I watch the Bucks I just don't feel like Giannis is having a positive effect on his teammates the way LeBron and Ben Simmons do, or the way Nikola Jokic does, for example.
A lot of that is the fault of the Bucks having a crappy system on both ends of the floor. But I do think that people get a little bit carried away praising Giannis for having a great "feel" for the game. He's an amazing athlete who has developed a lot of skill for basketball in a relatively short time, but I don't think he sees the game the way some of the elite playmakers do. He's a guy who's focused on getting to the basket, again and again. There's a lot of value in that, but he's not dominating the game the way a player with his size and skillset could, jumper or no jumper.
I think the cliche is that great players make their teammates better.
I don't see that with Giannis at all.
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Giannis is the 4th best player in the NBA (IMO) behind only James, Curry, and Durant. I'd listen to arguments on Harden, Davis, Westbrook, and a healthy Leonard, but that is it.
In the 2 playoff games, Giannis is averaging 32.5/11/7.5 with 2 steals and is shooting 63.2% from the field. There isn't a whole lot more he can do, the Bucks just aren't a very well constructed team and Joe Prunty is in way over his head.
His numbers are great but when I watch the Bucks I just don't feel like Giannis is having a positive effect on his teammates the way LeBron and Ben Simmons do, or the way Nikola Jokic does, for example.
A lot of that is the fault of the Bucks having a crappy system on both ends of the floor. But I do think that people get a little bit carried away praising Giannis for having a great "feel" for the game. He's an amazing athlete who has developed a lot of skill for basketball in a relatively short time, but I don't think he sees the game the way some of the elite playmakers do. He's a guy who's focused on getting to the basket, again and again. There's a lot of value in that, but he's not dominating the game the way a player with his size and skillset could, jumper or no jumper.
I think the cliche is that great players make their teammates better.
I don't see that with Giannis at all.
Another way to put, I think, is that great players take control of the game.
I see a lot of Giannis attacking the rim and finding ways to get points, but I don't see him controlling the game.
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Giannis is the 4th best player in the NBA (IMO) behind only James, Curry, and Durant. I'd listen to arguments on Harden, Davis, Westbrook, and a healthy Leonard, but that is it.
In the 2 playoff games, Giannis is averaging 32.5/11/7.5 with 2 steals and is shooting 63.2% from the field. There isn't a whole lot more he can do, the Bucks just aren't a very well constructed team and Joe Prunty is in way over his head.
His numbers are great but when I watch the Bucks I just don't feel like Giannis is having a positive effect on his teammates the way LeBron and Ben Simmons do, or the way Nikola Jokic does, for example.
A lot of that is the fault of the Bucks having a crappy system on both ends of the floor. But I do think that people get a little bit carried away praising Giannis for having a great "feel" for the game. He's an amazing athlete who has developed a lot of skill for basketball in a relatively short time, but I don't think he sees the game the way some of the elite playmakers do. He's a guy who's focused on getting to the basket, again and again. There's a lot of value in that, but he's not dominating the game the way a player with his size and skillset could, jumper or no jumper.
One of the scary things I've noticed about Giannis this series is that he's still a bit clumsy out there at times - some awkward footwork, getting a bit off-balance when he doesn't need to, sloppy passes, etc. And he's STILL the most dominant force on the court.
I think there's no question that barring injury Giannis will be a much better player 4-5 years from now than he is today, and that's mostly from mental growth and experience. That's definitely a scary prospect.
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I sincerely believe this. The guy just can't shoot. Terrible 3 point shooter
This said he is still an all star at the NBA level. No question. But I laugh at some analyst/experts who state he is one of the likely players to take over Lebron, KD status once they retire
I doubt it. He is a tall SF that can't shoot. How many forwards that can't shoot actually end up becoming a great player?
As well not sure what has happened to his passing skills (pre draft).
Would be a good 2nd option on a team trying to to win a championship
To answer your question; the first two to come to mind are Garnett and Duncan.
What? Garnett and Duncan could not shoot? What league did you watch?
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Agreed -- this whole MVP candidate talk is majorly premature. Giannis' inability to shoot is a major factor in Milwaukee's lack of organization and effectiveness in team offense. Too scattered. The team is always trying to make up for his offensive limitations. The team's whole offense frequently stalls while it tries to make space for him. To give him extra time on the ball that he needs in order to find a way to attack because defense is dropping so far off of him.
And yet the Sixers are doing just fine with Simmons. Westbrook is a pretty darn poor shooter, OKC has been just fine with him leading the way.
The problem isn't Giannis, it is the players surrounding Giannis. Once they lost Teletovic and Dellavedova, their shooting decreased significantly and that greatly affected them.
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isn't this the same critique on LeBron a very long time ago? I think Giannis and Simmons will improve their jumper in the long term
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Agreed -- this whole MVP candidate talk is majorly premature. Giannis' inability to shoot is a major factor in Milwaukee's lack of organization and effectiveness in team offense. Too scattered. The team is always trying to make up for his offensive limitations. The team's whole offense frequently stalls while it tries to make space for him. To give him extra time on the ball that he needs in order to find a way to attack because defense is dropping so far off of him.
And yet the Sixers are doing just fine with Simmons. Westbrook is a pretty darn poor shooter, OKC has been just fine with him leading the way.
The problem isn't Giannis, it is the players surrounding Giannis. Once they lost Teletovic and Dellavedova, their shooting decreased significantly and that greatly affected them.
really Teletovic?
Dellavedova is still with the team btw
Giannis currently has tunnel vision ... there are spurts he takes charge and drives at will then there are times he just defers everything
his ability to "read" the game is not there yet. And like another poster stated, if he could shoot, it would help open up for other players/system look smoother
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I think he is an elite player folks but this is a flaw in his game. He looks lost once the drive to the bucket is taken away you can even see him hesitate in games when this happens.
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isn't this the same critique on LeBron a very long time ago? I think Giannis and Simmons will improve their jumper in the long term
LeBron has had great court vision and feel for the game, elevation of teammates etc since day 1, though.
Simmons looks to be in the same vein as LeBron in that regard.
Giannis has some more work to do in order to impact the game with the ball in his hands the way those guys do.
To be fair to Giannis, he's made an ENORMOUS leap the last couple years improving his handle enough to the point that he can basically get a shot within 10 feet whenever he wants, which has turned him into an elite scorer. I'm sure that improvement as a playmaker / floor general will come in time.
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Agreed -- this whole MVP candidate talk is majorly premature. Giannis' inability to shoot is a major factor in Milwaukee's lack of organization and effectiveness in team offense. Too scattered. The team is always trying to make up for his offensive limitations. The team's whole offense frequently stalls while it tries to make space for him. To give him extra time on the ball that he needs in order to find a way to attack because defense is dropping so far off of him.
And yet the Sixers are doing just fine with Simmons. Westbrook is a pretty darn poor shooter, OKC has been just fine with him leading the way.
The problem isn't Giannis, it is the players surrounding Giannis. Once they lost Teletovic and Dellavedova, their shooting decreased significantly and that greatly affected them.
really Teletovic?
Dellavedova is still with the team btw
Giannis currently has tunnel vision ... there are spurts he takes charge and drives at will then there are times he just defers everything
his ability to "read" the game is not there yet. And like another poster stated, if he could shoot, it would help open up for other players/system look smoother
Teletovic was shooting 46.7% from 3 on like 4.5 attempts a game. When he got hurt it really affected their spacing. Delly also got hurt and has only played 10 minutes in 1 game in more than 2 months. They basically replaced him in the rotation with Jason Terry who is a much worse outside shooter. Again affecting their spacing. With Henson, Giannis, and Maker all being poor outside shooters they need the spacing and they just don't have it.
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Yesterday...perfect example
Semi couldn't have played defense against him better
All Giannis had to do is shoot over Semi yesterday(who he has 5 inches in height adv and 7 inches in wingspan adv)
Giannis and Simmons will never be elite unless they have a jump shot (even if its streaky like Lebrons) that can be relied upon
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LeBUM was the same - but eventually became good.
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It's obviously on Giannis to put in the work. Usually most Superstars begin their prime years around the age of 27. That's plenty of time for him to develop a competent jump shot. Even 35% on open threes would completely open up his game.
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LeBUM was the same - but eventually became good.
Kind of. Their splits are actually quite different from their first 5 years in the league. 82% of James' shots were 2s, but with Giannis, 88% of his shots are 2s. James' shot percentage from 16 feet to the 3 point line was 37%, and they accounted for 24% of his shots. For Giannis, his shooting percentage was 35%, but they only accounted for 15% of his shots. 19% of James shots were 3s and he made 32% of them. For Giannis, only 12% of his shots are 3s, and he is only making 28% of them.
Not only did James shoot more outside shots than Giannis does right now, but he also made a higher percentage.
Then there is the eye test that shows that Giannis's outside shot looks awkward, uncomfortable, and even somewhat inconsistent.
Giannis is a great player, and his percentages may rise somewhat, but his outside shooting may never be consistent. Still, he has the physical tools and feel to dominate the game on the inside. That would be where I think he should focus his development. His FG% could get north of 60% when he is fully developed and has shooters around him. On top of that, he could average 28-10-8 a game.
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I'd like to see Milwaukee rein Giannis in a little bit. Make him more of a 20ppg threat than a 25-30ppg threat. Force the ball to move more. Allow players like Bledsoe, Middleton and Jabari Parker more opportunities to express themselves.
I don't think Giannis has the game (skill level) to constructively score 25-30ppg. His scoring arsenal is too limited. He needs to have a jump-shot to go to that next level as an elite scorer (25-30ppg). I think forcing him to that level before he is ready is having a destructive influence on Miwaukee's team. Forcing the team out of offensive rhythm because Giannis has to over-do things to try and get his drive to the basket because of he is unable to hit any type of jump-shot (midrange, long two or 3 pointer) with any consistency.
I'd like to see Giannis concentrate more on being a defensive presence, continue his progression as a double digit rebounder and improve his team offense as a facilitator for others. Not always playmaking assist-type passes but involving others. Getting the offense moving. Using his threat of ball-handling and quickness to get the ball moving quicker. Be a 20-10-5 all-defense type presence. Develop those Scottie Pippen type skills. Then further Giannis' scoring development when he develops a passable jump-shot.
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I'd like to see Milwaukee rein Giannis in a little bit. Make him more of a 20ppg threat than a 25-30ppg threat. Force the ball to move more. Allow players like Bledsoe, Middleton and Jabari Parker more opportunities to express themselves.
I don't think Giannis has the game (skill level) to constructively score 25-30ppg. His scoring arsenal is too limited. He needs to have a jump-shot to go to that next level as an elite scorer (25-30ppg). I think forcing him to that level before he is ready is having a destructive influence on Miwaukee's team. Forcing the team out of offensive rhythm because Giannis has to over-do things to try and get his drive to the basket because of he is unable to hit any type of jump-shot (midrange, long two or 3 pointer) with any consistency.
I'd like to see Giannis concentrate more on being a defensive presence, continue his progression as a double digit rebounder and improve his team offense as a facilitator for others. Not always playmaking assist-type passes but involving others. Getting the offense moving. Using his threat of ball-handling and quickness to get the ball moving quicker. Be a 20-10-5 all-defense type presence. Develop those Scottie Pippen type skills. Then further Giannis' scoring development when he develops a passable jump-shot.
The Bucks players by and large just aren't good enough though. They don't fit well around Giannis. They need a team with high level shooters. And I'm really not sure what else you think Middleton and Bledsoe are capable of doing as they went for 20 and 18 this year with Giannis at 26. Sure you drop a few points from Giannis and Brogdon or Parker might get a few more looks, but why would you take shots away from your most efficient scorer and give them to 4th and 5th options. It just doesn't make sense.
The Bucks, quite simply need to rework their team and build a team more suited for Giannis. Henson, Zeller, and Maker are terrible fits at center and only Snell and Teletovic (who played 10 games before going down) were high level shooters. I mean imagine how much different the Bucks look if they were starting Love and Korver next to Giannis. Just much better fits offensively, which is the Bucks real problem.
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I'd like to see Milwaukee rein Giannis in a little bit. Make him more of a 20ppg threat than a 25-30ppg threat. Force the ball to move more. Allow players like Bledsoe, Middleton and Jabari Parker more opportunities to express themselves.
I don't think Giannis has the game (skill level) to constructively score 25-30ppg. His scoring arsenal is too limited. He needs to have a jump-shot to go to that next level as an elite scorer (25-30ppg). I think forcing him to that level before he is ready is having a destructive influence on Miwaukee's team. Forcing the team out of offensive rhythm because Giannis has to over-do things to try and get his drive to the basket because of he is unable to hit any type of jump-shot (midrange, long two or 3 pointer) with any consistency.
I'd like to see Giannis concentrate more on being a defensive presence, continue his progression as a double digit rebounder and improve his team offense as a facilitator for others. Not always playmaking assist-type passes but involving others. Getting the offense moving. Using his threat of ball-handling and quickness to get the ball moving quicker. Be a 20-10-5 all-defense type presence. Develop those Scottie Pippen type skills. Then further Giannis' scoring development when he develops a passable jump-shot.
The Bucks players by and large just aren't good enough though. They don't fit well around Giannis. They need a team with high level shooters. And I'm really not sure what else you think Middleton and Bledsoe are capable of doing as they went for 20 and 18 this year with Giannis at 26. Sure you drop a few points from Giannis and Brogdon or Parker might get a few more looks, but why would you take shots away from your most efficient scorer and give them to 4th and 5th options. It just doesn't make sense.
The Bucks, quite simply need to rework their team and build a team more suited for Giannis. Henson, Zeller, and Maker are terrible fits at center and only Snell and Teletovic (who played 10 games before going down) were high level shooters. I mean imagine how much different the Bucks look if they were starting Love and Korver next to Giannis. Just much better fits offensively, which is the Bucks real problem.
I agree with this. The Bucks' roster is just poorly constructed which makes it easy to harp on Giannis' inability to consistently hit a shot outside of 15 ft. He's an outstanding player with very few holes outside of his jumper. He's made incredible strides since he came into the league and looks like he is poised to be one of the top 5 players in the league for the next 10+ years. I think his potential is only limited by the pieces that are out around him. Middleton is a good player but he really has no all-star caliber players around him.
The Cavs have Korver, Love and other guys like Smith, etc. around LeBron. Even the 76ers have Reddick and a couple other guys that hide Simmons' weaknesses. The Bucks have Giannis, Middleton, and whatever passes as Eric Bledsoe these days. If management gets a decent coach and a couple shooters the Bucks will be well poised for the future.
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Yeah, I don't agree with the assessment of Giannis from Who. He has 16 FGA per game in the series (and gets to the line), and 18 FGA for the season. He also has 7 assists per game, and for his workload, limited turnovers.
For the series he's shooting 60% from the field, and the season 53%. I don't see a valid reason to limit his scoring threat when he's THIS efficient, particularly when his shot attempts are not an outlier for players of his caliber.
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I'd like to see Milwaukee rein Giannis in a little bit. Make him more of a 20ppg threat than a 25-30ppg threat. Force the ball to move more. Allow players like Bledsoe, Middleton and Jabari Parker more opportunities to express themselves.
I don't think Giannis has the game (skill level) to constructively score 25-30ppg. His scoring arsenal is too limited. He needs to have a jump-shot to go to that next level as an elite scorer (25-30ppg). I think forcing him to that level before he is ready is having a destructive influence on Miwaukee's team. Forcing the team out of offensive rhythm because Giannis has to over-do things to try and get his drive to the basket because of he is unable to hit any type of jump-shot (midrange, long two or 3 pointer) with any consistency.
I'd like to see Giannis concentrate more on being a defensive presence, continue his progression as a double digit rebounder and improve his team offense as a facilitator for others. Not always playmaking assist-type passes but involving others. Getting the offense moving. Using his threat of ball-handling and quickness to get the ball moving quicker. Be a 20-10-5 all-defense type presence. Develop those Scottie Pippen type skills. Then further Giannis' scoring development when he develops a passable jump-shot.
The Bucks players by and large just aren't good enough though. They don't fit well around Giannis. They need a team with high level shooters. And I'm really not sure what else you think Middleton and Bledsoe are capable of doing as they went for 20 and 18 this year with Giannis at 26. Sure you drop a few points from Giannis and Brogdon or Parker might get a few more looks, but why would you take shots away from your most efficient scorer and give them to 4th and 5th options. It just doesn't make sense.
The Bucks, quite simply need to rework their team and build a team more suited for Giannis. Henson, Zeller, and Maker are terrible fits at center and only Snell and Teletovic (who played 10 games before going down) were high level shooters. I mean imagine how much different the Bucks look if they were starting Love and Korver next to Giannis. Just much better fits offensively, which is the Bucks real problem.
I agree with this. The Bucks' roster is just poorly constructed which makes it easy to harp on Giannis' inability to consistently hit a shot outside of 15 ft. He's an outstanding player with very few holes outside of his jumper. He's made incredible strides since he came into the league and looks like he is poised to be one of the top 5 players in the league for the next 10+ years. I think his potential is only limited by the pieces that are out around him. Middleton is a good player but he really has no all-star caliber players around him.
The Cavs have Korver, Love and other guys like Smith, etc. around LeBron. Even the 76ers have Reddick and a couple other guys that hide Simmons' weaknesses. The Bucks have Giannis, Middleton, and whatever passes as Eric Bledsoe these days. If management gets a decent coach and a couple shooters the Bucks will be well poised for the future.
Could MIL think about swinging a trade for Kawhi Leonard? Idk what pieces they'd need to give up to get salary to work and such, but maybe they can flip Middleton, another salary piece and some future picks FOR Kawhi.
Then you have two Top-10 players in Kawhi and Giannis to build around, and likely still have pieces like Brogdon, Maker, etc.
Now MIL may still have to find a quality star-PG if they don't believe in Bledsoe (which I don't think they do), but once they identify one, they can be a contender.
OR actually, I think Bledsoe + salary + picks works, but idk if Spurs do that (they'd definitely prefer Middleton I believe).
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I'd like to see Milwaukee rein Giannis in a little bit. Make him more of a 20ppg threat than a 25-30ppg threat. Force the ball to move more. Allow players like Bledsoe, Middleton and Jabari Parker more opportunities to express themselves.
I don't think Giannis has the game (skill level) to constructively score 25-30ppg. His scoring arsenal is too limited. He needs to have a jump-shot to go to that next level as an elite scorer (25-30ppg). I think forcing him to that level before he is ready is having a destructive influence on Miwaukee's team. Forcing the team out of offensive rhythm because Giannis has to over-do things to try and get his drive to the basket because of he is unable to hit any type of jump-shot (midrange, long two or 3 pointer) with any consistency.
I'd like to see Giannis concentrate more on being a defensive presence, continue his progression as a double digit rebounder and improve his team offense as a facilitator for others. Not always playmaking assist-type passes but involving others. Getting the offense moving. Using his threat of ball-handling and quickness to get the ball moving quicker. Be a 20-10-5 all-defense type presence. Develop those Scottie Pippen type skills. Then further Giannis' scoring development when he develops a passable jump-shot.
The Bucks players by and large just aren't good enough though. They don't fit well around Giannis. They need a team with high level shooters. And I'm really not sure what else you think Middleton and Bledsoe are capable of doing as they went for 20 and 18 this year with Giannis at 26. Sure you drop a few points from Giannis and Brogdon or Parker might get a few more looks, but why would you take shots away from your most efficient scorer and give them to 4th and 5th options. It just doesn't make sense.
The Bucks, quite simply need to rework their team and build a team more suited for Giannis. Henson, Zeller, and Maker are terrible fits at center and only Snell and Teletovic (who played 10 games before going down) were high level shooters. I mean imagine how much different the Bucks look if they were starting Love and Korver next to Giannis. Just much better fits offensively, which is the Bucks real problem.
I agree with this. The Bucks' roster is just poorly constructed which makes it easy to harp on Giannis' inability to consistently hit a shot outside of 15 ft. He's an outstanding player with very few holes outside of his jumper. He's made incredible strides since he came into the league and looks like he is poised to be one of the top 5 players in the league for the next 10+ years. I think his potential is only limited by the pieces that are out around him. Middleton is a good player but he really has no all-star caliber players around him.
The Cavs have Korver, Love and other guys like Smith, etc. around LeBron. Even the 76ers have Reddick and a couple other guys that hide Simmons' weaknesses. The Bucks have Giannis, Middleton, and whatever passes as Eric Bledsoe these days. If management gets a decent coach and a couple shooters the Bucks will be well poised for the future.
Could MIL think about swinging a trade for Kawhi Leonard? Idk what pieces they'd need to give up to get salary to work and such, but maybe they can flip Middleton, another salary piece and some future picks FOR Kawhi.
Then you have two Top-10 players in Kawhi and Giannis to build around, and likely still have pieces like Brogdon, Maker, etc.
Now MIL may still have to find a quality star-PG if they don't believe in Bledsoe (which I don't think they do), but once they identify one, they can be a contender.
OR actually, I think Bledsoe + salary + picks works, but idk if Spurs do that (they'd definitely prefer Middleton I believe).
It would probably take Brogdon and Maker along with Middleton before the Spurs would even consider it.
I think Kevin Love would make a lot of sense as well (and if James leaves Cleveland I can totally see the Cavs moving on from Love). Lots of potential trades there in that scenario.
McCollum is the other guy that might be available that would make some sense for both teams. Middleton, Henson, Zeller, 1st for McCollum, Leonard. Bucks then re-sign Parker so they would be Bledsoe, McCollum, Parker, Giannis, Leonard with Brogdon, Snell, Delly, Wilson, Maker. I think that team makes a lot more sense and is a much better fitting unit. For the Blazers they get some salary relief and still field a quality team around Lillard.
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I disagree....Lebron couldn't shoot and still doesn't have a reliable jumper and he's become elite. Same with Westbrook. Magic had a very good set shot but wasn't what I'd call a GREAT shooter and he's the best PG of all-time. It all depends on if his jumper becomes just good enough.
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I'd like to see Milwaukee rein Giannis in a little bit. Make him more of a 20ppg threat than a 25-30ppg threat. Force the ball to move more. Allow players like Bledsoe, Middleton and Jabari Parker more opportunities to express themselves.
I don't think Giannis has the game (skill level) to constructively score 25-30ppg. His scoring arsenal is too limited. He needs to have a jump-shot to go to that next level as an elite scorer (25-30ppg). I think forcing him to that level before he is ready is having a destructive influence on Miwaukee's team. Forcing the team out of offensive rhythm because Giannis has to over-do things to try and get his drive to the basket because of he is unable to hit any type of jump-shot (midrange, long two or 3 pointer) with any consistency.
I'd like to see Giannis concentrate more on being a defensive presence, continue his progression as a double digit rebounder and improve his team offense as a facilitator for others. Not always playmaking assist-type passes but involving others. Getting the offense moving. Using his threat of ball-handling and quickness to get the ball moving quicker. Be a 20-10-5 all-defense type presence. Develop those Scottie Pippen type skills. Then further Giannis' scoring development when he develops a passable jump-shot.
The Bucks players by and large just aren't good enough though. They don't fit well around Giannis. They need a team with high level shooters. And I'm really not sure what else you think Middleton and Bledsoe are capable of doing as they went for 20 and 18 this year with Giannis at 26. Sure you drop a few points from Giannis and Brogdon or Parker might get a few more looks, but why would you take shots away from your most efficient scorer and give them to 4th and 5th options. It just doesn't make sense.
The Bucks, quite simply need to rework their team and build a team more suited for Giannis. Henson, Zeller, and Maker are terrible fits at center and only Snell and Teletovic (who played 10 games before going down) were high level shooters. I mean imagine how much different the Bucks look if they were starting Love and Korver next to Giannis. Just much better fits offensively, which is the Bucks real problem.
I agree with this. The Bucks' roster is just poorly constructed which makes it easy to harp on Giannis' inability to consistently hit a shot outside of 15 ft. He's an outstanding player with very few holes outside of his jumper. He's made incredible strides since he came into the league and looks like he is poised to be one of the top 5 players in the league for the next 10+ years. I think his potential is only limited by the pieces that are out around him. Middleton is a good player but he really has no all-star caliber players around him.
The Cavs have Korver, Love and other guys like Smith, etc. around LeBron. Even the 76ers have Reddick and a couple other guys that hide Simmons' weaknesses. The Bucks have Giannis, Middleton, and whatever passes as Eric Bledsoe these days. If management gets a decent coach and a couple shooters the Bucks will be well poised for the future.
Could MIL think about swinging a trade for Kawhi Leonard? Idk what pieces they'd need to give up to get salary to work and such, but maybe they can flip Middleton, another salary piece and some future picks FOR Kawhi.
Then you have two Top-10 players in Kawhi and Giannis to build around, and likely still have pieces like Brogdon, Maker, etc.
Now MIL may still have to find a quality star-PG if they don't believe in Bledsoe (which I don't think they do), but once they identify one, they can be a contender.
OR actually, I think Bledsoe + salary + picks works, but idk if Spurs do that (they'd definitely prefer Middleton I believe).
It would probably take Brogdon and Maker along with Middleton before the Spurs would even consider it.
I think Kevin Love would make a lot of sense as well (and if James leaves Cleveland I can totally see the Cavs moving on from Love). Lots of potential trades there in that scenario.
McCollum is the other guy that might be available that would make some sense for both teams. Middleton, Henson, Zeller, 1st for McCollum, Leonard. Bucks then re-sign Parker so they would be Bledsoe, McCollum, Parker, Giannis, Leonard with Brogdon, Snell, Delly, Wilson, Maker. I think that team makes a lot more sense and is a much better fitting unit. For the Blazers they get some salary relief and still field a quality team around Lillard.
Lol Milwaukee isn't doing that then. They are understandably high on Maker and Brogdon. And I don't think the Spurs have *that* much leverage in that they'd demand Middleton + 2 young studs, but idk, maybe you're right and that's what the Spurs want.
I do "love" that Kevin Love idea lol. I think he'd be a great fit in MIL.
McCollum too, although you wonder if a Bledsoe - McCollum back court would work or not. (Honestly, it's hard for me to tell)
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It would probably take Brogdon and Maker along with Middleton before the Spurs would even consider it.
Lol Milwaukee isn't doing that then. They are understandably high on Maker and Brogdon. And I don't think the Spurs have *that* much leverage in that they'd demand Middleton + 2 young studs, but idk, maybe you're right and that's what the Spurs want.
I do "love" that Kevin Love idea lol. I think he'd be a great fit in MIL.
McCollum too, although you wonder if a Bledsoe - McCollum back court would work or not. (Honestly, it's hard for me to tell)
Where are the "two young studs" in that deal? Maker is a benchwarmer who regressed this year and averaged 5 pts and 3 reb on 41/30/70 shooting with passable defense.
And Brodgon is a passable 3-and-D guy who's a borderline starter. He's also 25, which means he's definitely not "young" and it's in fact more likely that he's plateaued.
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Bucks and Cavs are now about the same team......minus their superstars
Lebron is better than Yhe Freak at winning games , so edge there for now.
Put Giannis on Cavs and its the same type of team , Love next scorer , with three or four younger role players and Zizic ..........
Bucks would be about the same with Lebron
Neither have a REAL IQ , scoring point guard.
Too much playing the whole game though Giannis .
That Bledsoe sucks as apoint guard . He does not seem to have much IQ .
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This thread is pretty funny to me. Isnt Giannis already élite without a jumper? And didnt he already average 27 points a game (efficiently) without a jumper? People are literally saying he cant do things HE IS ALREADY DOING.
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I disagree....Lebron couldn't shoot and still doesn't have a reliable jumper and he's become elite. Same with Westbrook. Magic had a very good set shot but wasn't what I'd call a GREAT shooter and he's the best PG of all-time. It all depends on if his jumper becomes just good enough.
Like another poster stated Lebron had a working shot from the start. It was streaky at best but he went to it from time to time to keep the Ds guessing
You know with Giannis 1) He is not going to shoot the three 2) He is pump faking like crazy, looking around for options 1st, if nothing will shoot something that looks like a jump shot (usually does not go in)
Like Scal has said a few times....Giannis best friend would be a pure PG that could get Giannis going (pnr, lobs). If you limit Giannis driving ability, this PG can take over in the scoring department for a bit
A pg like Dragic, Mike Conley Jr., Schroeder type would be much better than Bledsoe (poor feel for the game). Fred VanVleet is a low key but good up and coming pg that fits the description also
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We have no idea how good of a shooter Giannis will be. Love how Celtics fans think guys like Semi and Rozier will keep improving, but Giannis who is younger than them is a finished product.
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This thread is pretty funny to me. Isnt Giannis already élite without a jumper? And didnt he already average 27 points a game (efficiently) without a jumper? People are literally saying he cant do things HE IS ALREADY DOING.
sure he's elite
but in today's NBA (especially in the playoffs) you gotta be able to shoot
i think he'll be a good shooter in a few years
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Giannis is arguably a top 5 player in the league and you don't think he's at elite status now? Come on now. Well ask any coach, scout or talent evaluator in the NBA and you wouldn't get one of them agreeing with you. The scary thing is that HE IS elite now and yet he's still improving and developing.....
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I disagree....Lebron couldn't shoot and still doesn't have a reliable jumper and he's become elite. Same with Westbrook. Magic had a very good set shot but wasn't what I'd call a GREAT shooter and he's the best PG of all-time. It all depends on if his jumper becomes just good enough.
Like another poster stated Lebron had a working shot from the start. It was streaky at best but he went to it from time to time to keep the Ds guessing
You know with Giannis 1) He is not going to shoot the three 2) He is pump faking like crazy, looking around for options 1st, if nothing will shoot something that looks like a jump shot (usually does not go in)
Like Scal has said a few times....Giannis best friend would be a pure PG that could get Giannis going (pnr, lobs). If you limit Giannis driving ability, this PG can take over in the scoring department for a bit
A pg like Dragic, Mike Conley Jr., Schroeder type would be much better than Bledsoe (poor feel for the game). Fred VanVleet is a low key but good up and coming pg that fits the description also
Giannis shoots 2 3's a game and has for the last couple of seasons. He isn't afraid to shoot them and shoots them enough to keep teams honest. He obviously doesn't hit at a great percentage (just 30.7% this year), but I'd rather have Giannis shooting 2 3's at 30.7% then Marcus Smart shooting over 4.5 3's a game at a worse percentage than Giannis.