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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: KG Living Legend on December 04, 2018, 01:02:04 AM
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Not for Davis. I want Mirotic or Julius randle I would prefer Mirotic they both average near 20 points 10 rebounds. Mirotic is the superior shooter by far and he still averages 10 rebounds per game while Randall average is 19 + 9 and he's a better passer and defender.
Example ideas are brown Rozier and yabusele for Mirotic. Or for Randall who makes less money. Morris and Rozier would work.
TPs for realistic trade ideas for either of these big guys.
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Why would NOP want any of Rozier, Yabusele or Morris? Mirotic and Randall are better. NOP's primary goal has to be to get AD to re-sign. Making these trades would certainly wouldn't help doing so and probably would hurt.
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Why would we want to trade for anybody on the Pelicans roster if his name is not Anthony Davis?!
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Why would NOP want any of Rozier, Yabusele or Morris? Mirotic and Randall are better. NOP's primary goal has to be to get AD to re-sign. Making these trades would certainly wouldn't help doing so and probably would hurt.
Bad post. We have up to 4 firsts next year. your job as a poster in this thread is to come up with an idea that you think is a reasonable offer for one of these two big men.
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Why would we want to trade for anybody on the Pelicans roster if his name is not Anthony Davis?!
Because we're not going to get Anthony Davis. So let's focus on a big man that we could probably actually acquire if we wanted to this team needs another big that can a rebound and shoot
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Why would NOP want any of Rozier, Yabusele or Morris? Mirotic and Randall are better. NOP's primary goal has to be to get AD to re-sign. Making these trades would certainly wouldn't help doing so and probably would hurt.
Morris could be a solution for them at the 3. Decent defender, good shooter. That's exactly what New Orleans needs at that position. If they would get Rozier as well that wouldn't be a terrible deal for them.
Boston should never give up Brown though for either of them.
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Why would we want to trade for anybody on the Pelicans roster if his name is not Anthony Davis?!
Because we're not going to get Anthony Davis. So let's focus on a big man that we could probably actually acquire if we wanted to this team needs another big that can a rebound and shoot
We need an upgrade (Davis), all else is irrelevant and diminishes chemistry.
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I like both players, but when you consider what you'd have to give up to get either, and how our roster is already formed, I'm not sure they're worth it.
For Mirotic, Morris would likely have to be included with Rozier and Yabu. I think Morris is a better player in the modern NBA by himself, but when you have to give up a starting quality guard and a prospect too, that's way too much.
For Randle you could probably do Rozier and Yabu, but then you are giving up your backup point guard with a prospect for a player that would probably be your 4th-5th big man (after Horford, Morris, and Baynes). He offers rebounding, but that's not a weakness of this team anymore. He can pass, but he commits just as many turnovers as assists. He can't stretch the floor or protect the rim. He might be a frenetic defender, but he is not a fundamentally sound defender. At that point, isn't Theis (and maybe Williams) a better option for our team.
The grass is always greener on the other side. Our team is pretty good.
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I wouldn't trade for either. One is a one year rental. Both will cost multiple players on the Celtics rotation who could be arguably better.
More to the point, no life lines to NO. The Celtics have to think big about that team in terms of trades in the off-season.
Only reason to make a big trade now is if another top level player that helps the team comes available. These are not top players.
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no trades till offseason when we can get Davis 😁
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I think either player would be a good add to balance our roster and add some big talent/depth. Either would probably start for us and then we could move Morris back to the bench where he is a real weapon. Problem is we don't match up very well with NOP for a trade. We could offer Rozier but he doesn't make enough and they don't really need a back up PG. Their big need seems to be a wing but I don't want to give up Brown or Tatum.
Offering Rozier and Morris together may get NOP thinking but I don't want to trade Morris as he is our second big right now. We would trade one big just to get back a different big. Makes no sense to me.
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Why would we want to trade for anybody on the Pelicans roster if his name is not Anthony Davis?!
Because we're not going to get Anthony Davis. So let's focus on a big man that we could probably actually acquire if we wanted to this team needs another big that can a rebound and shoot
We need an upgrade (Davis), all else is irrelevant and diminishes chemistry.
Sorry Andro, this take is garbage. Makes no sense t
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This is the guy I've been talking about for a couple of years, and who I would want:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/vucevni01.html
I'll start with a Rozier package and build on from there.
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This is the guy I've been talking about for a couple of years, and who I would want:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/vucevni01.html
I'll start with a Rozier package and build on from there.
I like Vucevic as well, but his asking price is probably quite high right now. Although it's probably in Orlando's best interest to make a choice between making a trade for an All Star PG or trading away Vucevic for draft picks.
Another problem is that it's very hard to match salaries.
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Not for Davis. I want Mirotic or Julius randle I would prefer Mirotic they both average near 20 points 10 rebounds. Mirotic is the superior shooter by far and he still averages 10 rebounds per game while Randall average is 19 + 9 and he's a better passer and defender.
Example ideas are brown Rozier and yabusele for Mirotic. Or for Randall who makes less money. Morris and Rozier would work.
TPs for realistic trade ideas for either of these big guys.
ugh, no thanks.
Morris is the best player of the bunch and been the most consistent for us all year. Brown is still likely to be far better than either of them. he's been coming around the last 4 games he's played and even if he hadn't been, no way I'd give up that kind of talent for a journeyman level player like Mirotic or Randle.
Neither of those guys are plus defenders unlike Brown and Morris. who are you proposing either of these 2 would take minutes from? Baynes? nope. Horford? no freaking way. Theis? they may be better shooters right now but Theis has been coming around offensively lately so I don't see enough gain from them offensively to justify putting Theis' D, hustle and rebounding further down the bench.
not seeing a point to acquiring either player.
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If we are trading with the Pels, I'm only targetting AD. 8)
Obviously, we cannot trade for AD this season while we have Kyrie. How about a 3-way with the Sixers though?
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaff23jr
(https://i.imgur.com/G7LTWxp.png?1)
The Pels get the Kings pick as well + more picks if necessary.
Basically the idea is:
AD to Boston
Kyrie to Philly *
Simmons + Kings pick + more pick(s) + filler(s) to New Orleans
* Chances are that it won't be a rental. I mean, according to rumors Kyrie and Butler were planning to team up via free agency.
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But... why would New Orleans do this?
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But... why would New Orleans do this?
Why would New Orleans trade AD in the first place?
My point is, if they decide to trade him (and that's a huge if) Simmons + Kings pick + more pick(s) is a good return for New Orleans. Certainly a better option than trading with the Lakers (at least imo).
My question would be: ''Why would Philly help us trade for AD?''
Well, I have no answer for that. :P Just throwing out an idea for discussion. I believe it's fair value for all teams involved though.
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This is the guy I've been talking about for a couple of years, and who I would want:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/vucevni01.html
I'll start with a Rozier package and build on from there.
I like Vooch as much as anyone, but I'm not sure if the Celtics can get him without moving any major trading pieces. Anyone trying to get him right now would be buying high, and I think Orlando would be asking for someone like Brown in return package (though I realize considering how they are both playing right now that many here wouldn't mind seeing Jaylen moved in a package for Vooch lol)
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Not for Davis. I want Mirotic or Julius randle I would prefer Mirotic they both average near 20 points 10 rebounds. Mirotic is the superior shooter by far and he still averages 10 rebounds per game while Randall average is 19 + 9 and he's a better passer and defender.
Example ideas are brown Rozier and yabusele for Mirotic. Or for Randall who makes less money. Morris and Rozier would work.
TPs for realistic trade ideas for either of these big guys.
ugh, no thanks.
Morris is the best player of the bunch and been the most consistent for us all year. Brown is still likely to be far better than either of them. he's been coming around the last 4 games he's played and even if he hadn't been, no way I'd give up that kind of talent for a journeyman level player like Mirotic or Randle.
Neither of those guys are plus defenders unlike Brown and Morris. who are you proposing either of these 2 would take minutes from? Baynes? nope. Horford? no freaking way. Theis? they may be better shooters right now but Theis has been coming around offensively lately so I don't see enough gain from them offensively to justify putting Theis' D, hustle and rebounding further down the bench.
not seeing a point to acquiring either player.
I probably wouldn't go after either player even if the logistics could be worked out, but it seems fairly obvious to me what the point is. We have a top 2-3 defense and our offense is what's holding us back. I know that's really, really simple. Whether the issues run deeper or we already have what we need is debatable speculation, but the logic seems simple. Add a 20 point scorer to a team that needs better offensive production to contend (even if he won't average 20 with us).
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This is the guy I've been talking about for a couple of years, and who I would want:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/vucevni01.html
I'll start with a Rozier package and build on from there.
I like Vooch as much as anyone, but I'm not sure if the Celtics can get him without moving any major trading pieces. Anyone trying to get him right now would be buying high, and I think Orlando would be asking for someone like Brown in return package (though I realize considering how they are both playing right now that many here wouldn't mind seeing Jaylen moved in a package for Vooch lol)
I've been one of the largest Brown fanatics here, but if it took him to get Vooch, I think I do that now.
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This is the guy I've been talking about for a couple of years, and who I would want:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/vucevni01.html
I'll start with a Rozier package and build on from there.
I like Vucevic as well, but his asking price is probably quite high right now. Although it's probably in Orlando's best interest to make a choice between making a trade for an All Star PG or trading away Vucevic for draft picks.
Another problem is that it's very hard to match salaries.
And he is a rental (UFA in 2019). He would be a nice fit on the team but we would have to trade maybe Marcus Smart in order for salaries to match. I don't like him that much.
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But... why would New Orleans do this?
Why would New Orleans trade AD in the first place?
My point is, if they decide to trade him (and that's a huge if) Simmons + Kings pick + more pick(s) is a good return for New Orleans. Certainly a better option than trading with the Lakers (at least imo).
My question would be: ''Why would Philly help us trade for AD?''
Well, I have no answer for that. :P Just throwing out an idea for discussion. I believe it's fair value for all teams though.
I'm talking about the original post. I hadn't even seen your AD proposal.
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This is the guy I've been talking about for a couple of years, and who I would want:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/vucevni01.html
I'll start with a Rozier package and build on from there.
I like Vucevic as well, but his asking price is probably quite high right now. Although it's probably in Orlando's best interest to make a choice between making a trade for an All Star PG or trading away Vucevic for draft picks.
Another problem is that it's very hard to match salaries.
And he is a rental (UFA in 2019). He would be a nice fit on the team but we would have to trade maybe Marcus Smart in order for salaries to match. I don't like him that much.
He makes 12.75 this year which isn't too bad. If Morris or Baynes is traded, it isn't that difficult to come up with a trade that works. It is just about whether you would want to part with Morris or Baynes to acquire him (Baynes can be moved next weekend). Baynes/Morris, Rozier and Yabu works financially and that seems like a fairly reasonable trade for both teams (I'd rather keep Morris so I'd propose Baynes). The trade does increase the tax for Boston, making it far more difficult to get out of it at some point, but I think that might be worth it for Boston as Vucevic fills a definite need. Orlando gets a younger PG prospect and can take a flyer on Yabu, while letting Baynes play some of Vucevic's role. Boston upgrades its center spot.
So post trade Boston's rotation would be Irving, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Morris, Horford, and Vucevic. That is a pretty darn good top 8. Some depth is lost, but if that team enters the playoffs healthy I'd feel pretty darn good about it coming out of the East and giving the Warriors a real run for their money in the finals.
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This is the guy I've been talking about for a couple of years, and who I would want:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/vucevni01.html
I'll start with a Rozier package and build on from there.
I like Vucevic as well, but his asking price is probably quite high right now. Although it's probably in Orlando's best interest to make a choice between making a trade for an All Star PG or trading away Vucevic for draft picks.
Another problem is that it's very hard to match salaries.
And he is a rental (UFA in 2019). He would be a nice fit on the team but we would have to trade maybe Marcus Smart in order for salaries to match. I don't like him that much.
He makes 12.75 this year which isn't too bad. If Morris or Baynes is traded, it isn't that difficult to come up with a trade that works. It is just about whether you would want to part with Morris or Baynes to acquire him (Baynes can be moved next weekend). Baynes/Morris, Rozier and Yabu works financially and that seems like a fairly reasonable trade for both teams (I'd rather keep Morris so I'd propose Baynes). The trade does increase the tax for Boston, making it far more difficult to get out of it at some point, but I think that might be worth it for Boston as Vucevic fills a definite need. Orlando gets a younger PG prospect and can take a flyer on Yabu, while letting Baynes play some of Vucevic's role. Boston upgrades its center spot.
So post trade Boston's rotation would be Irving, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Morris, Horford, and Vucevic. That is a pretty darn good top 8. Some depth is lost, but if that team enters the playoffs healthy I'd feel pretty darn good about it coming out of the East and giving the Warriors a real run for their money in the finals.
I'm not sure you can play Vucevic in big playoff moments. That matters.
You can play Morris and Rozier.
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This is the guy I've been talking about for a couple of years, and who I would want:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/vucevni01.html
I'll start with a Rozier package and build on from there.
I like Vucevic as well, but his asking price is probably quite high right now. Although it's probably in Orlando's best interest to make a choice between making a trade for an All Star PG or trading away Vucevic for draft picks.
Another problem is that it's very hard to match salaries.
And he is a rental (UFA in 2019). He would be a nice fit on the team but we would have to trade maybe Marcus Smart in order for salaries to match. I don't like him that much.
He makes 12.75 this year which isn't too bad. If Morris or Baynes is traded, it isn't that difficult to come up with a trade that works. It is just about whether you would want to part with Morris or Baynes to acquire him (Baynes can be moved next weekend). Baynes/Morris, Rozier and Yabu works financially and that seems like a fairly reasonable trade for both teams (I'd rather keep Morris so I'd propose Baynes). The trade does increase the tax for Boston, making it far more difficult to get out of it at some point, but I think that might be worth it for Boston as Vucevic fills a definite need. Orlando gets a younger PG prospect and can take a flyer on Yabu, while letting Baynes play some of Vucevic's role. Boston upgrades its center spot.
So post trade Boston's rotation would be Irving, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Morris, Horford, and Vucevic. That is a pretty darn good top 8. Some depth is lost, but if that team enters the playoffs healthy I'd feel pretty darn good about it coming out of the East and giving the Warriors a real run for their money in the finals.
I wasn't creative enough with the trading machine, since what you propose here actually makes a lot of sense. And I would be totally for it and it's a very interesting offer for Orlando as well.
TP for changing my mind with a good argument.
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This is the guy I've been talking about for a couple of years, and who I would want:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/vucevni01.html
I'll start with a Rozier package and build on from there.
I like Vucevic as well, but his asking price is probably quite high right now. Although it's probably in Orlando's best interest to make a choice between making a trade for an All Star PG or trading away Vucevic for draft picks.
Another problem is that it's very hard to match salaries.
And he is a rental (UFA in 2019). He would be a nice fit on the team but we would have to trade maybe Marcus Smart in order for salaries to match. I don't like him that much.
He makes 12.75 this year which isn't too bad. If Morris or Baynes is traded, it isn't that difficult to come up with a trade that works. It is just about whether you would want to part with Morris or Baynes to acquire him (Baynes can be moved next weekend). Baynes/Morris, Rozier and Yabu works financially and that seems like a fairly reasonable trade for both teams (I'd rather keep Morris so I'd propose Baynes). The trade does increase the tax for Boston, making it far more difficult to get out of it at some point, but I think that might be worth it for Boston as Vucevic fills a definite need. Orlando gets a younger PG prospect and can take a flyer on Yabu, while letting Baynes play some of Vucevic's role. Boston upgrades its center spot.
So post trade Boston's rotation would be Irving, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Morris, Horford, and Vucevic. That is a pretty darn good top 8. Some depth is lost, but if that team enters the playoffs healthy I'd feel pretty darn good about it coming out of the East and giving the Warriors a real run for their money in the finals.
Not that I think Orlando would (or could due to roster spots) do the 3 for 1 trade but we would be trading two bigs plus Rozier to get back a big. Maybe there is someone that we could pick up to fill up the roster that could replace one of Yabu or Baynes but as it stands, I think we end up worse. I would like to get Vucevic, I just don't see how. Maybe Smart and Baynes for Vucevic and Jonathon Issac? Vucevic is still just a rental so it is tough to give up Smart even if they throw in Issac (a promising young big).
Yeah, I just don't see this working out.
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But... why would New Orleans do this?
Why would New Orleans trade AD in the first place?
My point is, if they decide to trade him (and that's a huge if) Simmons + Kings pick + more pick(s) is a good return for New Orleans. Certainly a better option than trading with the Lakers (at least imo).
My question would be: ''Why would Philly help us trade for AD?''
Well, I have no answer for that. :P Just throwing out an idea for discussion. I believe it's fair value for all teams though.
Exactly. There is no reason for the Sixers to help us and hurt themselves too.
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This is the guy I've been talking about for a couple of years, and who I would want:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/vucevni01.html
I'll start with a Rozier package and build on from there.
I like Vucevic as well, but his asking price is probably quite high right now. Although it's probably in Orlando's best interest to make a choice between making a trade for an All Star PG or trading away Vucevic for draft picks.
Another problem is that it's very hard to match salaries.
And he is a rental (UFA in 2019). He would be a nice fit on the team but we would have to trade maybe Marcus Smart in order for salaries to match. I don't like him that much.
He makes 12.75 this year which isn't too bad. If Morris or Baynes is traded, it isn't that difficult to come up with a trade that works. It is just about whether you would want to part with Morris or Baynes to acquire him (Baynes can be moved next weekend). Baynes/Morris, Rozier and Yabu works financially and that seems like a fairly reasonable trade for both teams (I'd rather keep Morris so I'd propose Baynes). The trade does increase the tax for Boston, making it far more difficult to get out of it at some point, but I think that might be worth it for Boston as Vucevic fills a definite need. Orlando gets a younger PG prospect and can take a flyer on Yabu, while letting Baynes play some of Vucevic's role. Boston upgrades its center spot.
So post trade Boston's rotation would be Irving, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Morris, Horford, and Vucevic. That is a pretty darn good top 8. Some depth is lost, but if that team enters the playoffs healthy I'd feel pretty darn good about it coming out of the East and giving the Warriors a real run for their money in the finals.
Not that I think Orlando would (or could due to roster spots) do the 3 for 1 trade but we would be trading two bigs plus Rozier to get back a big. Maybe there is someone that we could pick up to fill up the roster that could replace one of Yabu or Baynes but as it stands, I think we end up worse. I would like to get Vucevic, I just don't see how. Maybe Smart and Baynes for Vucevic and Jonathon Issac? Vucevic is still just a rental so it is tough to give up Smart even if they throw in Issac (a promising young big).
Yeah, I just don't see this working out.
Counting Yabu as actually on this team seems strange to me as if Yabu plays at all in any meaningful game something is either very wrong or Boston is cruising in a blow out. I mean he has played in 12 games and less than 5 minutes a game in those games. And why would Vucevic just assumed to be a rental, but even if he was do you really think Rozier, Baynes, or Yabu are actually going to be on the team next year? I mean maybe Yabu is again deep bench filler and maybe Baynes keeps coming back on cheap contracts, but I think both of those chances are small. And unless Irving leaves or Smart is traded, Rozier is gone. So even if you think Vucevic is a rental (I don't) who cares if you are only trading players unlikely to be no the team next year anyway.
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Counting Yabu as actually on this team seems strange to me as if Yabu plays at all in any meaningful game something is either very wrong or Boston is cruising in a blow out.
I could not agree more, I almost cringe when he comes in the game, seems like we are playing 4 on 5 when he gets in there. Every once in a while, he will make a good play but it is rare and he is not nor will he ever be another Draymond Green. I think we picked up his option for trade filler potential.
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This is the guy I've been talking about for a couple of years, and who I would want:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/vucevni01.html
I'll start with a Rozier package and build on from there.
I like Vucevic as well, but his asking price is probably quite high right now. Although it's probably in Orlando's best interest to make a choice between making a trade for an All Star PG or trading away Vucevic for draft picks.
Another problem is that it's very hard to match salaries.
And he is a rental (UFA in 2019). He would be a nice fit on the team but we would have to trade maybe Marcus Smart in order for salaries to match. I don't like him that much.
He makes 12.75 this year which isn't too bad. If Morris or Baynes is traded, it isn't that difficult to come up with a trade that works. It is just about whether you would want to part with Morris or Baynes to acquire him (Baynes can be moved next weekend). Baynes/Morris, Rozier and Yabu works financially and that seems like a fairly reasonable trade for both teams (I'd rather keep Morris so I'd propose Baynes). The trade does increase the tax for Boston, making it far more difficult to get out of it at some point, but I think that might be worth it for Boston as Vucevic fills a definite need. Orlando gets a younger PG prospect and can take a flyer on Yabu, while letting Baynes play some of Vucevic's role. Boston upgrades its center spot.
So post trade Boston's rotation would be Irving, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Morris, Horford, and Vucevic. That is a pretty darn good top 8. Some depth is lost, but if that team enters the playoffs healthy I'd feel pretty darn good about it coming out of the East and giving the Warriors a real run for their money in the finals.
Not that I think Orlando would (or could due to roster spots) do the 3 for 1 trade but we would be trading two bigs plus Rozier to get back a big. Maybe there is someone that we could pick up to fill up the roster that could replace one of Yabu or Baynes but as it stands, I think we end up worse. I would like to get Vucevic, I just don't see how. Maybe Smart and Baynes for Vucevic and Jonathon Issac? Vucevic is still just a rental so it is tough to give up Smart even if they throw in Issac (a promising young big).
Yeah, I just don't see this working out.
Counting Yabu as actually on this team seems strange to me as if Yabu plays at all in any meaningful game something is either very wrong or Boston is cruising in a blow out. I mean he has played in 12 games and less than 5 minutes a game in those games. And why would Vucevic just assumed to be a rental, but even if he was do you really think Rozier, Baynes, or Yabu are actually going to be on the team next year? I mean maybe Yabu is again deep bench filler and maybe Baynes keeps coming back on cheap contracts, but I think both of those chances are small. And unless Irving leaves or Smart is traded, Rozier is gone. So even if you think Vucevic is a rental (I don't) who cares if you are only trading players unlikely to be no the team next year anyway.
My point about Yabusele is more of the roster spot that Orlando would have to account for in order to take in 3 roster spots while sending out 1. They would have to cut two players first in order to make the trade. I implied that we could probably replace Yabusele with someone off the street so to speak but if we give up both Baynes and Yabusele, that is still losing some depth at the big. I will repeat, I would like Vucevic, I just don't see a realistic trade.
And yes, aside from who is a rental or not, if we give up Rozier and Baynes, along with Yabusele to a lesser degree, and get back only Vucevic, I am not sure we would be better in the short term. It would depend on who we get to fill the open roster spots. I would like our starting 5 better, that is for sure, I agree with that.
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This is the guy I've been talking about for a couple of years, and who I would want:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/vucevni01.html
I'll start with a Rozier package and build on from there.
I like Vucevic as well, but his asking price is probably quite high right now. Although it's probably in Orlando's best interest to make a choice between making a trade for an All Star PG or trading away Vucevic for draft picks.
Another problem is that it's very hard to match salaries.
And he is a rental (UFA in 2019). He would be a nice fit on the team but we would have to trade maybe Marcus Smart in order for salaries to match. I don't like him that much.
He makes 12.75 this year which isn't too bad. If Morris or Baynes is traded, it isn't that difficult to come up with a trade that works. It is just about whether you would want to part with Morris or Baynes to acquire him (Baynes can be moved next weekend). Baynes/Morris, Rozier and Yabu works financially and that seems like a fairly reasonable trade for both teams (I'd rather keep Morris so I'd propose Baynes). The trade does increase the tax for Boston, making it far more difficult to get out of it at some point, but I think that might be worth it for Boston as Vucevic fills a definite need. Orlando gets a younger PG prospect and can take a flyer on Yabu, while letting Baynes play some of Vucevic's role. Boston upgrades its center spot.
So post trade Boston's rotation would be Irving, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Morris, Horford, and Vucevic. That is a pretty darn good top 8. Some depth is lost, but if that team enters the playoffs healthy I'd feel pretty darn good about it coming out of the East and giving the Warriors a real run for their money in the finals.
Not that I think Orlando would (or could due to roster spots) do the 3 for 1 trade but we would be trading two bigs plus Rozier to get back a big. Maybe there is someone that we could pick up to fill up the roster that could replace one of Yabu or Baynes but as it stands, I think we end up worse. I would like to get Vucevic, I just don't see how. Maybe Smart and Baynes for Vucevic and Jonathon Issac? Vucevic is still just a rental so it is tough to give up Smart even if they throw in Issac (a promising young big).
Yeah, I just don't see this working out.
Counting Yabu as actually on this team seems strange to me as if Yabu plays at all in any meaningful game something is either very wrong or Boston is cruising in a blow out. I mean he has played in 12 games and less than 5 minutes a game in those games. And why would Vucevic just assumed to be a rental, but even if he was do you really think Rozier, Baynes, or Yabu are actually going to be on the team next year? I mean maybe Yabu is again deep bench filler and maybe Baynes keeps coming back on cheap contracts, but I think both of those chances are small. And unless Irving leaves or Smart is traded, Rozier is gone. So even if you think Vucevic is a rental (I don't) who cares if you are only trading players unlikely to be no the team next year anyway.
My point about Yabusele is more of the roster spot that Orlando would have to account for in order to take in 3 roster spots while sending out 1. They would have to cut two players first in order to make the trade. I implied that we could probably replace Yabusele with someone off the street so to speak but if we give up both Baynes and Yabusele, that is still losing some depth at the big. I will repeat, I would like Vucevic, I just don't see a realistic trade.
And yes, aside from who is a rental or not, if we give up Rozier and Baynes, along with Yabusele to a lesser degree, and get back only Vucevic, I am not sure we would be better in the short term. It would depend on who we get to fill the open roster spots. I would like our starting 5 better, that is for sure, I agree with that.
Replacing Baynes with Vucevic is not losing big man depth, even if Yabu goes out in the trade, because Yabu is not big man depth (and Yabu is easily replaced at virtually any time). The team does lose guard depth in Rozier, but I'm ok with that as the team upgrades overall. As for Orlando, Briscoe is only partially guaranteed and an easy guy to waive. They also have a couple of other minimum contract players that have barely played that could be waived (or they could just waive Yabu as they might just consider him salary filler). It isn't hard to cut some deep bench players.
At the end of the day, you win or lose playoff series based on your top end talent, not you bench or deep bench. Whenever you can clearly upgrade your starting 5, you should do it when you are a team in Boston's position, especially when you aren't giving up prime assets or players to do it.