It's hard to complain when you get "key contributor in winning plays, defense, and overall team culture on a contender" with the sixth overall pick in a relatively weak draft.
But in a weak draft you don't "hit" with many picks right?
He isn't even one of the 10 best players in the draft though. Weak or not if you don't live up to your draft position you are a miss.
so by your definition, Kyrie would be a miss since it's likely Kawhi would be considered the top player in their draft class? I think you'll find that a hard sell labelling Kyrie a "miss".
Those are always tricky, but Kyrie would most definitely be 2 in a redraft so not quite the same thing.
really? I'd thought for sure you'd put him behind Butler and Klay at a minimum.
to me, either your standard applies to everyone or it doesn't. If you're giving a top pick the ability to slide as far back as #4 depending on who you ask for a redraft, why wouldn't Smart as a #6 get a little more leeway and still be a hit if seen as a #10 in a redraft?
on the whole, i think using a 'redraft' to evaluate a hit or miss is a poor premise. a better premise is can the guy play and produce on the court? if yes, he's a hit. whether or not he was good value for the slot he was picked is a different discussion. a perfectly valid discussion but not the same as whether the player is a hit or miss.
He definitely goes ahead of Klay. Butler is more tricky, but I would expect the vast majority of persons would have Irving ahead of him, why I said 2, though you could at least argue 3. If he went 3 or worse, then he would certainly be a miss.
The value of the pick is what you are measuring by rating the pick as a hit or miss.
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EDIT: similar logic
I think the 'redraft rule' is important, but to me, it also matters that even if Kyrie would go #3 in a redraft:
-he's a multiple time all-star and ASG MVP. Smart is not close to this, redraft or no redraft.
-he's an Olympic Gold medalist as the best or 2nd best player on that team,
-he was in the MVP mix this year (tho no chance to win) at 25, which is decently young.
-he's an NBA champion as the 2nd best player on his team, and arguably the 3rd best player in that finals, behind LBJ & Curry (tho Curry wasn't elite in those finals).
To date, Smart has received no season accolades or all star appearances, he's just received a smattering of all-defense votes. To say Smart (drafted 6, redrafted, say, 8 ) and Kyrie (drafted 1, redrafted 3rd here) are the same because they would each go 2 spots later in a redraft ignores quite a few big indicators of success that one player has achieved. The other hasn't.
I know comparisons are relative, but to me, Kyrie's accolades matter even if he gets passed by a few players. What has Smart done to equal this, besides difficult to quantify 'winning plays?'