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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: Change on November 14, 2012, 02:13:02 AM
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White skipped Monday’s game and Tuesday’s practice amid signs he has not practiced for days. The absences are unexcused, a person with knowledge of the situation said Tuesday.
Rockets acting coach Kelvin Sampson said he did not know why White did not attend Tuesday’s practice and did not speak with him Monday, when Motiejunas and Machado were told of the plans to send them to the Rio Grande Valley Vipers........“None of us have seen Royce. He didn’t come to the game and missed three or four practices. … I text him all the time, make sure he’s doing fine, but he hasn’t texted back.” said Marcus Morris
http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/11/royce-white-absent-from-practice-sent-to-d-league-team-with-machado-motiejunas/
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sucks for the guy what hes going through.
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Houston management i think now regrets giving that 18th pick to White. There were still plenty of good choices after him. See Sullinger, Perry jones III, etc.
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i would trade melo for him if houston just wanted to get rid of him
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Maybe they do have this in place but to me with his issues Houston would have a paid employee/psychology person on hand with White every day. They have $ invested and you have a young man's health to consider. "None of us have seen Royce", missed a game and 3 or 4 practices sounds like a week at least no one has seen him.
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wow ...he may have some D. West type issues lurking in his head.
and NO way ..I wouldn't trade Melo for White.
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i would trade melo for him if houston just wanted to get rid of him
Houston will probably release him.
I'm very glad we didn't trade up to grab him now.
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Shame on the rockets for not accounting for this earlier on. His condition was widely publicized before the draft. They should have had a plan in place from the second he was drafted.
If they did have a plan and its not adequate shame on the rockets, if the plan is reasonable and White isn't playing ball with the team than shame on him
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Did he ever show up to camp or are they still waiting for him to clock his first practice?
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Shame on the rockets for not accounting for this earlier on. His condition was widely publicized before the draft. They should have had a plan in place from the second he was drafted.
If they did have a plan and its not adequate shame on the rockets, if the plan is reasonable and White isn't playing ball with the team than shame on him
it seems the rockets did anticipate problems and had a plan of some sort.
The Rockets knew that White suffers from generalized anxiety disorder when they chose him with the No. 16 pick in the draft last June.
Problems first surfaced when White did not show up for the start of training camp, which was held at the home of the Rockets’ D League affiliate Rio Grande Valley Vipers. During that time, White and his representatives worked out a plan with the Rockets and the NBA which would allow him to travel to many road games by bus, since a fear of flying exacerbates his anxiety disorder.
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/11/13/rockets-white-awol-again/
then white responds below...though after reading his responses, i think maybe his troubles involve more than a fear of flying. his responses seem self-contradictory and the product of a confused mind. at it seems as if he and the rockets are not seeing eye to eye at all on this.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/rockets/2012/11/13/royce-white-houston-anxiety-disorder-fear-of-flying/1703741/
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Shame on the rockets for not accounting for this earlier on. His condition was widely publicized before the draft. They should have had a plan in place from the second he was drafted.
If they did have a plan and its not adequate shame on the rockets, if the plan is reasonable and White isn't playing ball with the team than shame on him
They did have a plan, it sounds like the plan came apart one way or another.
As for the suggestion they hire someone to be with him all the time, I imagine he has no desire for a company babysitter no matter how well credentialed.
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Shame on the rockets for not accounting for this earlier on. His condition was widely publicized before the draft. They should have had a plan in place from the second he was drafted.
If they did have a plan and its not adequate shame on the rockets, if the plan is reasonable and White isn't playing ball with the team than shame on him
it seems the rockets did anticipate problems and had a plan of some sort.
The Rockets knew that White suffers from generalized anxiety disorder when they chose him with the No. 16 pick in the draft last June.
Problems first surfaced when White did not show up for the start of training camp, which was held at the home of the Rockets’ D League affiliate Rio Grande Valley Vipers. During that time, White and his representatives worked out a plan with the Rockets and the NBA which would allow him to travel to many road games by bus, since a fear of flying exacerbates his anxiety disorder.
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/11/13/rockets-white-awol-again/
then white responds below...though after reading his responses, i think maybe his troubles involve more than a fear of flying. his responses seem self-contradictory and the product of a confused mind. at it seems as if he and the rockets are not seeing eye to eye at all on this.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/rockets/2012/11/13/royce-white-houston-anxiety-disorder-fear-of-flying/1703741/
Yeah after reading his response you have to wonder what the heck the actual issues are.
Hopefully he can figure it out, plenty of messed up young players have, more haven't....
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Shame on the rockets for not accounting for this earlier on. His condition was widely publicized before the draft. They should have had a plan in place from the second he was drafted.
If they did have a plan and its not adequate shame on the rockets, if the plan is reasonable and White isn't playing ball with the team than shame on him
They did have a plan, it sounds like the plan came apart one way or another.
As for the suggestion they hire someone to be with him all the time, I imagine he has no desire for a company babysitter no matter how well credentialed.
Im not really sure how much having a therapist or somebody with him all the time would help. Its a process, its not something that having somebody with you can necessarily help in the moment. This is not a quick fix scenario.
(Im not saying you are suggesting that it is, im just voicing my thoughts on that issue)
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Shame on the rockets for not accounting for this earlier on. His condition was widely publicized before the draft. They should have had a plan in place from the second he was drafted.
If they did have a plan and its not adequate shame on the rockets, if the plan is reasonable and White isn't playing ball with the team than shame on him
They did have a plan, it sounds like the plan came apart one way or another.
As for the suggestion they hire someone to be with him all the time, I imagine he has no desire for a company babysitter no matter how well credentialed.
Im not really sure how much having a therapist or somebody with him all the time would help. Its a process, its not something that having somebody with you can necessarily help in the moment. This is not a quick fix scenario.
(Im not saying you are suggesting that it is, im just voicing my thoughts on that issue)
He'd never trust someone who is employed by the Rockets based on the acrimony in his statements over this. Without trust the professional would be useless in any capacity.
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Shame on the rockets for not accounting for this earlier on. His condition was widely publicized before the draft. They should have had a plan in place from the second he was drafted.
If they did have a plan and its not adequate shame on the rockets, if the plan is reasonable and White isn't playing ball with the team than shame on him
They did have a plan, it sounds like the plan came apart one way or another.
As for the suggestion they hire someone to be with him all the time, I imagine he has no desire for a company babysitter no matter how well credentialed.
Im not really sure how much having a therapist or somebody with him all the time would help. Its a process, its not something that having somebody with you can necessarily help in the moment. This is not a quick fix scenario.
(Im not saying you are suggesting that it is, im just voicing my thoughts on that issue)
He'd never trust someone who is employed by the Rockets based on the acrimony in his statements over this. Without trust the professional would be useless in any capacity.
I agree, my only thing is that this isnt like the Josh Hamilton situation, im not sure having somebody with him would help even if it was somebody of White's choosing.
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i would trade melo for him if houston just wanted to get rid of him
I would trade Melo for him if I thought he'd show up. I was very high on Royce White in the draft and very high on him preseason. This is a new development and that being said I'd have to talk to him and his agent before I made any trade.
I'd trade Melo for him if we had some agreement that he seek therapy and medication on a regular basis. We don't need him for 82 games his first 2 seasons. We are planning on sending Melo to Maine anyway. If Royce gets his head right he has the build of Lebron James and while he's not as fast his passing is really impressive to me.
Then again it's only worth it if he plays...
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i would trade melo for him if houston just wanted to get rid of him
Houston will probably release him.
I'm very glad we didn't trade up to grab him now.
yes , this sounds serious at this age and level. and its a distraction for the team as well. A team needs to focus together .
C's are so lucky to have landed Sully and Fab. They are healthy and seem to have their acts together as young men.
Here is 20 yr old Sully already contributing to the team effort in a big way , not because the C's are looking to replace Bass and despert like the Bobcats for players. But, because he is a GOOD player willing to do the tuff jobs and has immediate usuable skills. A player good enough that can START on the NBA storied Boston Celtics as a 20 yr old.... just compare that to White or ANY of the other teams rookies... Just look at potiental of Fab Melo and compare that to a guy they can 't depend on to show up for a flight to a basketball game. Why would you want someone so troubled by a sickness he can't control.
I'll keep DA drafts thank you.
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i would trade melo for him if houston just wanted to get rid of him
I would trade Melo for him if I thought he'd show up. I was very high on Royce White in the draft and very high on him preseason. This is a new development and that being said I'd have to talk to him and his agent before I made any trade.
I'd trade Melo for him if we had some agreement that he seek therapy and medication on a regular basis. We don't need him for 82 games his first 2 seasons. We are planning on sending Melo to Maine anyway. If Royce gets his head right he has the build of Lebron James and while he's not as fast his passing is really impressive to me.
Then again it's only worth it if he plays...
I don't think you need an agreement. He does all that to keep himself healthy, and this is also the problem between him and the Rockets. He has a pretty good idea what triggers his anxiety and needs his team to deal with that. But maybe it's impossible within a competetive environment like an NBA team...
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I don’t know the guy, and haven’t really ever followed him, but the more I read about him, the more he comes off like a self-entitled jerk.
Junior year of high school, suspended for first 2 games (don’t know why, but a suspension is never good).
Junior year of high school, well after the suspension White was later dismissed from the team (again don’t know why, but never a good thing)
Freshman year of college, accused of taking $100 worth of clothes and assaulting a security guard at a mall (though he claims the assault was actually self defense). Plead guilty to theft and disorderly conduct.
Freshman year of college, charged with 3 counts of trespassing regarding a stolen laptop. White then quits the team and leaves school shortly after the charges citing “stress.” Posted a video on youtube telling everybody this, instead of telling his coach or the school (who had not heard anything from White).
NBA rookie season, signs a contract with the Houston Rockets, but then refuses to report to camp until alternative arrangements are worked out. (Isn’t a contract supposed to address those things? You sign the contract agreeing to certain terms, but then still want to hold out?).
NBA rookie season, has yet to play a game, and is already missing practices and games. While maybe you can argue the team is spinning it making him look bad, what about his teammates? As Marcus Morris said. “None of us have seen Royce. He didn’t come to the game and missed three or four practices. … I text him all the time, make sure he’s doing fine, but he hasn’t texted back.”
NBA rookie season, after Rockets say he’s been missing practices games and was sent to the D League, White goes on a Twitter rant, blasting the team and blaming others, and seemingly taking no responsibility.
Anything else I’m missing?
Ok, I get he has anxiety issues, and that can be a major illness, but some of this stuff just seems pathetic to me. What part of the anxiety issue is causing him to miss practices during a home stand? I don’t know the guy, never really followed him, and only know the few things I’ve read, but he’s definitely coming off like a self entitled jerk to me. Part of me kind of hopes he never plays in the NBA.
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I don’t know the guy, and haven’t really ever followed him, but the more I read about him, the more he comes off like a self-entitled jerk.
Junior year of high school, suspended for first 2 games (don’t know why, but a suspension is never good).
Junior year of high school, well after the suspension White was later dismissed from the team (again don’t know why, but never a good thing)
Freshman year of college, accused of taking $100 worth of clothes and assaulting a security guard at a mall (though he claims the assault was actually self defense). Plead guilty to theft and disorderly conduct.
Freshman year of college, charged with 3 counts of trespassing regarding a stolen laptop. White then quits the team and leaves school shortly after the charges citing “stress.” Posted a video on youtube telling everybody this, instead of telling his coach or the school (who had not heard anything from White).
NBA rookie season, signs a contract with the Houston Rockets, but then refuses to report to camp until alternative arrangements are worked out. (Isn’t a contract supposed to address those things? You sign the contract agreeing to certain terms, but then still want to hold out?).
NBA rookie season, has yet to play a game, and is already missing practices and games. While maybe you can argue the team is spinning it making him look bad, what about his teammates? As Marcus Morris said. “None of us have seen Royce. He didn’t come to the game and missed three or four practices. … I text him all the time, make sure he’s doing fine, but he hasn’t texted back.”
NBA rookie season, after Rockets say he’s been missing practices games and was sent to the D League, White goes on a Twitter rant, blasting the team and blaming others, and seemingly taking no responsibility.
Anything else I’m missing?
Ok, I get he has anxiety issues, and that can be a major illness, but some of this stuff just seems pathetic to me. What part of the anxiety issue is causing him to miss practices during a home stand? I don’t know the guy, never really followed him, and only know the few things I’ve read, but he’s definitely coming off like a self entitled jerk to me. Part of me kind of hopes he never plays in the NBA.
TP for this post.
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To me, this continues to reek of a guy who has a lawyer in his ear (probably at the behest of his agent). They have been putting together a discrimination case from the outset, just incase his disability does take him down. And you can bet that if White's career falls apart because of this disability, he will be filing a case against Houston, and probably the NBA, not just making sure he gets his entire rookie contract, but that he gets future earnings as well (my guess is they will make a case for the average earnings for players based on his draft position).
They made 100% sure that he got the action plan in writing, so both sides knew exactly what is expected of them, and now White is following it through by calling them out if they aren't following it exactly as it was agreed upon.
The lawyer knows that if Houston agreed to one thing, and didn't follow it, and then White went along with that, then that would hurt their case. So, to have the strongest case, White needs to follow the letter of the law on their agreement, so he doesn't set a precedent.
It is terrible, but sadly, that is kind of where we are when it comes to labor law in this country.
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They made 100% sure that he got the action plan in writing, so both sides knew exactly what is expected of them, and now White is following it through by calling them out if they aren't following it exactly as it was agreed upon.
The lawyer knows that if Houston agreed to one thing, and didn't follow it, and then White went along with that, then that would hurt their case. So, to have the strongest case, White needs to follow the letter of the law on their agreement, so he doesn't set a precedent.
This is what I wonder about. I'm sure there's some form or agreement in place, I just wonder the extent of it, and the wording.
I imagine the Rockets agreed to "reasonable accommodations" to deal with Royce White's issues. Maybe they outlined thoroughly the travel arrangements, but had some sort of open-ended "reasonable accommodation" deal for any other issues that may arise. Now my guess would be that the Rockets and White are now disagreeing on what is "reasonable", hence the inconsistency and dishonesty White refers to. Since I have a negative view of White, I imagine something like this:
Rockets: Practice at 10am tomorrow.
White: Practicing that early causes me anxiety issues. We need to move practice to 12pm.
Rockets: We're not moving practice just for you.
White: You said you would accommodate me!
Rockets: Moving the entire teams practice just for you is not a reasonable accommodation. Practice is at 10am.
I picture a diva who doesn't show up to practice because of some outrageous accommodation issue, but thinks he doesn't need to tell anybody he's not coming in, because it should be obvious to the team that he's not coming because they didn't accommodate a particular whim of his.
But I don't really know, maybe the Rockets really are screwing him and treating him like crap, and White's the victim here.
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I don’t know the guy, and haven’t really ever followed him, but the more I read about him, the more he comes off like a self-entitled jerk.
It's entirely possible that Royce is no more self-entitled than most pro athletes, but has a legitimate mental condition that exacerbates the problem.
Mike
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dis is sad for a talented young man, but not something I would wish on the Bostons Celtics club .
Health issues like Green & Wilcox are one thing and the Celtic club deserves alot of credit sticking by their players. Mental health is a whole another thing. The NBA with its strick deadlines and fast paced stress is too much for him to cope with. Alot of times young men /women are not resposible enough to take their meds and their sickness gets worse. He maybe a bad fit for a high Stress NBA career.
Right now Doc has his hands full with 15 normal personalities. I do wish White luck , but I do not want him on this team.
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If White can't perform the job he needs to find another line of work. It's getting ridiculous to keep seeing White's name in the news for things other than basketball.
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They made 100% sure that he got the action plan in writing, so both sides knew exactly what is expected of them, and now White is following it through by calling them out if they aren't following it exactly as it was agreed upon.
The lawyer knows that if Houston agreed to one thing, and didn't follow it, and then White went along with that, then that would hurt their case. So, to have the strongest case, White needs to follow the letter of the law on their agreement, so he doesn't set a precedent.
This is what I wonder about. I'm sure there's some form or agreement in place, I just wonder the extent of it, and the wording.
I imagine the Rockets agreed to "reasonable accommodations" to deal with Royce White's issues. Maybe they outlined thoroughly the travel arrangements, but had some sort of open-ended "reasonable accommodation" deal for any other issues that may arise. Now my guess would be that the Rockets and White are now disagreeing on what is "reasonable", hence the inconsistency and dishonesty White refers to. Since I have a negative view of White, I imagine something like this:
Rockets: Practice at 10am tomorrow.
White: Practicing that early causes me anxiety issues. We need to move practice to 12pm.
Rockets: We're not moving practice just for you.
White: You said you would accommodate me!
Rockets: Moving the entire teams practice just for you is not a reasonable accommodation. Practice is at 10am.
I picture a diva who doesn't show up to practice because of some outrageous accommodation issue, but thinks he doesn't need to tell anybody he's not coming in, because it should be obvious to the team that he's not coming because they didn't accommodate a particular whim of his.
But I don't really know, maybe the Rockets really are screwing him and treating him like crap, and White's the victim here.
We know that a specific agreement was in place, because Royce held out from training camp until it was agreed upon and in writing.
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even though royce white has major entitlement issues dating back to high school at least (got caught cheating, screamed at teacher 'i'm f'ing royce white!'), this fulltime nba thing was probably never going to work out. He's probably overwhelmed by stress right now, triggering his major ptsd symptoms and being re-traumatized. Subconsciously at least, he probably already wants to retire. Cant blame him. Some problems are just too deep seeded and severe.
This nba thing was probably only going to work out if he was only required to play home games, with optional close away games, with full support from team and teammates.
Rockets gm seems to have cookie cutter thought patterns not well equipped for handling a case like white. Which is why he drafted white at 14 anyway.
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illpass on this headache! trading melo for sully???? LOL!!! This kid does not belong in the NBA apparently.
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he should probably be happy to get sent to dleague. All bus rides, low pressure, build up something positive, still collect nba paycheck. 1 month of that and he has enough money to fund a film or music album or whatever else he pictures himself doing after bball. Chances are he'll be back in the dleague for years anyway after music and movies dont work out career wise.
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I don't know exactly what to think about all this - disentangling the legitimate medical issues from any other issues seems impossible.
I do know I seem to have been 100% wrong in hoping we would get him. I have no problem admitting that.
And I do hope he is able to get it together. He's a fun player to watch.
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how well do you think Keyon Dooling will impact a player like Royce White...
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how well do you think Keyon Dooling will impact a player like Royce White...
While he couldn't hurt, I don't think that is the problem. This is a legal issue, not a basketball issue. I think it is going to take the Rockets taking the whole thing a bit more seriously, before it can even get to the point where White can try to redeem himself.
Here is my theory of what is going on right now. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the biggest issues here comes from Sampson taking over. I bet management and HR had sat down with McHale and layed out exactly whats going on, and what he needs to do, before the season. But I wouldn't be surprised if Sampson didn't get that talk (at least not yet). So, when he took over, he started coaching the only way he knows how, and not putting forth the obligatory effort to make accomodations for White.
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how well do you think Keyon Dooling will impact a player like Royce White...
While he couldn't hurt, I don't think that is the problem. This is a legal issue, not a basketball issue. I think it is going to take the Rockets taking the whole thing a bit more seriously, before it can even get to the point where White can try to redeem himself.
Here is my theory of what is going on right now. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the biggest issues here comes from Sampson taking over. I bet management and HR had sat down with McHale and layed out exactly whats going on, and what he needs to do, before the season. But I wouldn't be surprised if Sampson didn't get that talk (at least not yet). So, when he took over, he started coaching the only way he knows how, and not putting forth the obligatory effort to make accomodations for White.
true but I was point out the fact that Keyon was just there to talk to players about their issues. Like i think in his recent interview they said that Keyon, beside being a mentor in basketball also helped players on their personal issues.
Maybe he can help Royce in his anxiety issues. I mean if he doenst go to therapy, having a player/coach for him wouldnt hurt
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how well do you think Keyon Dooling will impact a player like Royce White...
While he couldn't hurt, I don't think that is the problem. This is a legal issue, not a basketball issue. I think it is going to take the Rockets taking the whole thing a bit more seriously, before it can even get to the point where White can try to redeem himself.
Here is my theory of what is going on right now. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the biggest issues here comes from Sampson taking over. I bet management and HR had sat down with McHale and layed out exactly whats going on, and what he needs to do, before the season. But I wouldn't be surprised if Sampson didn't get that talk (at least not yet). So, when he took over, he started coaching the only way he knows how, and not putting forth the obligatory effort to make accomodations for White.
true but I was point out the fact that Keyon was just there to talk to players about their issues. Like i think in his recent interview they said that Keyon, beside being a mentor in basketball also helped players on their personal issues.
Maybe he can help Royce in his anxiety issues. I mean if he doenst go to therapy, having a player/coach for him wouldnt hurt
He doesn't go to therapy? Was that reported? I highly doubt that is the case.
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Twitter had reports Rockets have fined him for missing both practices and sessions with the therapist that the Rockets have provided him.
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The guy isn't qualified to be a professional athlete, period.
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Twitter had reports Rockets have fined him for missing both practices and sessions with the therapist that the Rockets have provided him.
It seems like both sides are pushing out thier narratives right now.
Royce's people: "he's not getting accomdiation for serious mental health issues, Rockets treating him like a thing not a person"
Rockets: "he's lazy, unproffesional, the disorder stuff is a crutch."
I don't think we're getting the real story from either side. I know one thing for sure though, Glad we dodged this bullet.
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Twitter had reports Rockets have fined him for missing both practices and sessions with the therapist that the Rockets have provided him.
It seems like both sides are pushing out thier narratives right now.
Royce's people: "he's not getting accomdiation for serious mental health issues, Rockets treating him like a thing not a person"
Rockets: "he's lazy, unproffesional, the disorder stuff is a crutch."
I don't think we're getting the real story from either side. I know one thing for sure though, Glad we dodged this bullet.
you know what? after all these controversies, I'm glad we dodged this bullet as well...and I was so high on him during the draft...
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I don't think we're getting the real story from either side. I know one thing for sure though, Glad we dodged this bullet.
Most people here were devastated White went first and we only got Jared Sullinger. I was celebrating all summer.
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The guy isn't qualified to be a professional athlete, period.
He seems to think that "informing" the team he's missing practice is enough to make it an excused absence.
However, this is not middle school anymore. Whoops.
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The guy isn't qualified to be a professional athlete, period.
He seems to think that "informing" the team he's missing practice is enough to make it an excused absence.
However, this is not middle school anymore. Whoops.
Well, so say the Rockets.
The story from his people seems to be that the team agreed to these absences as part of his course of treatment and have now soured on them along with the travel accomidations.
I'm waiting for the 30 for 30. It should be released about the same time as "Stop Doing my Sister, It's Gross: How Mike Dantoni got the Lakers Job"
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The guy isn't qualified to be a professional athlete, period.
He seems to think that "informing" the team he's missing practice is enough to make it an excused absence.
However, this is not middle school anymore. Whoops.
Well, so say the Rockets.
The story from his people seems to be that the team agreed to these absences as part of his course of treatment and have now soured on them along with the travel accomidations.
I'm waiting for the 30 for 30. It should be released about the same time as "Stop Doing my Sister, It's Gross: How Mike Dantoni got the Lakers Job"
So says he. The article is pretty clear. He says he has "informed" the Rockets about every absence, the Rockets say his absences are not excused.
Quite evidently, he doesn't really seem to have a standing agreement with the team about missing team sessions -- and he doesn't seem to claim that either.
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I'm waiting for the 30 for 30. It should be released about the same time as "Stop Doing my Sister Daughter, It's Gross: How Mike Dantoni got the Lakers Job"
Fixed that for you ;)
EDIT: Wait, Jim Buss is running the show now? My mistake, sister it is.
EDIT EDIT: And TP for the new Cowboy Bebop avatar.
No idea what's up with Royce, but it sounds like he's playing hardball at one of the least-powerful points in a first round pick's career. Rightly or wrongly I don't think this ends well for him.
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I'm waiting for the 30 for 30. It should be released about the same time as "Stop Doing my Sister Daughter, It's Gross: How Mike Dantoni got the Lakers Job"
Fixed that for you ;)
EDIT: And TP for the new Cowboy Bebop avatar.
No idea what's up with Royce, but it sounds like he's playing hardball at one of the least-powerful points in a first round pick's career. Rightly or wrongly I don't think this ends well for him.
I suppose sister/daughter depends on your view of who's the real power with the Lakers. Jerry or Jim....
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No idea what's up with Royce, but it sounds like he's playing hardball at one of the least-powerful points in a first round pick's career. Rightly or wrongly I don't think this ends well for him.
Eh, he has more leverage than you think, given his protected status as a person with a disability.
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I'm waiting for the 30 for 30. It should be released about the same time as "Stop Doing my Sister Daughter, It's Gross: How Mike Dantoni got the Lakers Job"
Fixed that for you ;)
EDIT: And TP for the new Cowboy Bebop avatar.
No idea what's up with Royce, but it sounds like he's playing hardball at one of the least-powerful points in a first round pick's career. Rightly or wrongly I don't think this ends well for him.
I suppose sister/daughter depends on your view of who's the real power with the Lakers. Jerry or Jim....
Ha, yeah I was going with Jim, Either way works :D
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I thought he wasn't ready for the NBA and I'm glad we didn't draft him. With every disorder you hope to manage and live a full life but sometimes you have put yourself in a position to succeed. The NBA is just not a good environment for an anxiety disorder and fear of flying. It'll take more than summer league, preseason and a personal bus to cope. It's a lifetime process. I have a severe fear of heights. Until my twenties even get on an escalator was a herculean task. I've been doing very well but I recently I had a panic attack on a train I've ridden a hundred times before. It's so completely paralyzing and demoralizing and I cannot imagine having a job where I had to constantly confront my fears. I wish him and the team the best because they have some tough decisions to make.
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I don't think we're getting the real story from either side. I know one thing for sure though, Glad we dodged this bullet.
Most people here were devastated White went first and we only got Jared Sullinger. I was celebrating all summer.
I was on the Ross White band wagon during selection time as well . But , after the Celtics took Sully , and I learned he was a well respected Coachs son ,and heard him speak . Then I knew Danny made the right choice.
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White may never have an nba career but also houston might be handling the situation the wrong way. Maybe since this is pro sports and a business there is no other way.
The way Houston wants to fix the situation is to have a therapist cure his condition. This way he can fly regularly, practice with the team, and not have the team also worry if he will arrive at games on time.
White on the other hand, does not want the cure or at least not the way houston wants to fix it. He seems like he is getting upset that his condition is not being respected or something. But White should know , if he does not ultimately want to deal or fix his issue, he won't have an nba future. You just can't ride the bus , miss practice, come to the game 1/2 hour before it starts .
Maybe if Houston gives him some time on the court, white will return the favor and fly more? maybe with the roar of the nba crowed, he might never want to miss a flight again.
White nowadays never stops whining and putting on a victim hat. Even without the condition quite a bit of rookies never see a minute in their first year.
Bottom line is i'm glad we don't have to deal with this. I don't want this kid on the celtics team. Likely will be a waste of immense talent. Could of been a lebron james lite eventually
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I fully expected a big splash from this kid throughout his rookie year and for complications form his anxiety disorder to maybe creep up later in the year.
He seems to be incapable of handling the life of an NBA player.
It is too bad if he cannot pull it together. It is not something easy to live with but I suspected that Houston would figure out a way to make it work. Apparently he thinks he should be getting playing time and that Houston is nto living up to their end of the bargain when it comes to helping him with his disorder.
The thing is a hot mess.
Thank goodness Sully fell to us.
Royce White was thought to be the lottery talent that would fall to the Celtics and I was actually excited at the prospect of landing him. Silly me.
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I fully expected a big splash from this kid throughout his rookie year and for complications form his anxiety disorder to maybe creep up later in the year.
He seems to be incapable of handling the life of an NBA player.
It is too bad if he cannot pull it together. It is not something easy to live with but I suspected that Houston would figure out a way to make it work. Apparently he thinks he should be getting playing time and that Houston is nto living up to their end of the bargain when it comes to helping him with his disorder.
The thing is a hot mess.
Thank goodness Sully fell to us.
Royce White was thought to be the lottery talent that would fall to the Celtics and I was actually excited at the prospect of landing him. Silly me.
I agree with the second half of that statement, but I haven't seen any evidence for the first.
Definitely a mess, though. I feel bad for the dude--sports fans are hardly the most sympathetic audience for someone to have when you're dealing with something so crippling.
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White may never have an nba career but also houston might be handling the situation the wrong way. Maybe since this is pro sports and a business there is no other way.
The way Houston wants to fix the situation is to have a therapist cure his condition. This way he can fly regularly, practice with the team, and not have the team also worry if he will arrive at games on time.
White on the other hand, does not want the cure or at least not the way houston wants to fix it. He seems like he is getting upset that his condition is not being respected or something. But White should know , if he does not ultimately want to deal or fix his issue, he won't have an nba future. You just can't ride the bus , miss practice, come to the game 1/2 hour before it starts .
Maybe if Houston gives him some time on the court, white will return the favor and fly more? maybe with the roar of the nba crowed, he might never want to miss a flight again.
White nowadays never stops whining and putting on a victim hat. Even without the condition quite a bit of rookies never see a minute in their first year.
Bottom line is i'm glad we don't have to deal with this. I don't want this kid on the celtics team. Likely will be a waste of immense talent. Could of been a lebron james lite eventually
From the way your post reads, you sound like this is analogous to him suffering from the flu.
That's a poor way to process this situation.
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I fully expected a big splash from this kid throughout his rookie year and for complications form his anxiety disorder to maybe creep up later in the year.
He seems to be incapable of handling the life of an NBA player.
It is too bad if he cannot pull it together. It is not something easy to live with but I suspected that Houston would figure out a way to make it work. Apparently he thinks he should be getting playing time and that Houston is nto living up to their end of the bargain when it comes to helping him with his disorder.
The thing is a hot mess.
Thank goodness Sully fell to us.
Royce White was thought to be the lottery talent that would fall to the Celtics and I was actually excited at the prospect of landing him. Silly me.
danny ainge wasnt going to draft him. he pulled out as did evry other team except houston. this is according to royce white's agent.
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I fully expected a big splash from this kid throughout his rookie year and for complications form his anxiety disorder to maybe creep up later in the year.
He seems to be incapable of handling the life of an NBA player.
It is too bad if he cannot pull it together. It is not something easy to live with but I suspected that Houston would figure out a way to make it work. Apparently he thinks he should be getting playing time and that Houston is nto living up to their end of the bargain when it comes to helping him with his disorder.
The thing is a hot mess.
Thank goodness Sully fell to us.
Royce White was thought to be the lottery talent that would fall to the Celtics and I was actually excited at the prospect of landing him. Silly me.
I agree with the second half of that statement, but I haven't seen any evidence for the first.
Definitely a mess, though. I feel bad for the dude--sports fans are hardly the most sympathetic audience for someone to have when you're dealing with something so crippling.
I definitely feel bad too. But I also think that sports fans and more importantly, sports owners and GM's should be sympathetic to this kind of disorder but only to a certain point.
I definitely do not think he should be exempt form practices or games.
That being said if he is missing games and practices as a form of protest because Houston insists that he see their Doctor and not his own, then they need to renegotiate.
On the double flipside...If any organization has to worry about this crap with a player that can not even crack the rotation, they should cut bait...cold but true.
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I think Houston should cut their losses and offer the kid a settlement in order to move on.
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I fully expected a big splash from this kid throughout his rookie year and for complications form his anxiety disorder to maybe creep up later in the year.
He seems to be incapable of handling the life of an NBA player.
It is too bad if he cannot pull it together. It is not something easy to live with but I suspected that Houston would figure out a way to make it work. Apparently he thinks he should be getting playing time and that Houston is nto living up to their end of the bargain when it comes to helping him with his disorder.
The thing is a hot mess.
Thank goodness Sully fell to us.
Royce White was thought to be the lottery talent that would fall to the Celtics and I was actually excited at the prospect of landing him. Silly me.
danny ainge wasnt going to draft him. he pulled out as did evry other team except houston. this is according to royce white's agent.
GM's and Agent's are the biggest liars in all of sports...
If every other team pulled out, then why wouldnt Hou try to trade down?
White is a huge talent with a significant handicap that any late lottery/early 20's team would try to fix.
He is top 5 talent and I have no doubt that Ainge would have given him a long look.
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The Rockets general manager has this theory that a team needs 2 or 3 All Stars to compete for a nba title. He therefore thinks that players like Sully should be passed on in favor of guys with clear all star potential - no matter the risks involved.
It's an interesting theory that this guy might apply a bit too rigidly in this case.
That every other NBA team didn't want him in the top 25 at least is a big sign that the NBA teams had information not available to us fans.
But he's being really foolish here. Rockets are competitive and extremely deep at PF. If anything, you'd think the guy who held out of training camp would keep his head down and his mouth shut, at least for a long while.
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I hope they cut him, and Danny finds a way to get him on the Celtics for cheap. Would you keep this guy on your roster and let him only attend games that he can get to by car? I would.
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I hope they cut him, and Danny finds a way to get him on the Celtics for cheap. Would you keep this guy on your roster and let him only attend games that he can get to by car? I would.
I wouldn't. Complete chemistry and rotation nightmare.
Is doc going to play a guy who doesn't show up to trainings or shootarounds to earn it?
What happens in playoffs when you've gotta play in someone else's building?
Just going to let the guy bail out and wait for the home games?
No offense to the guy and his disorder but other than the Harden trade Houston have been pretty pathetic in the offseason.
Jeremy Lin's deal was atrocious, only eclipsed by Asik's horrible deal, and then they topped it all off with drafting this dude, who clearly is not ready to be an NBA player, maybe never will be.
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I hope they cut him, and Danny finds a way to get him on the Celtics for cheap. Would you keep this guy on your roster and let him only attend games that he can get to by car? I would.
I wouldn't. Complete chemistry and rotation nightmare.
Is doc going to play a guy who doesn't show up to trainings or shootarounds to earn it?
What happens in playoffs when you've gotta play in someone else's building?
Just going to let the guy bail out and wait for the home games?
No offense to the guy and his disorder but other than the Harden trade Houston have been pretty pathetic in the offseason.
Jeremy Lin's deal was atrocious, only eclipsed by Asik's horrible deal, and then they topped it all off with drafting this dude, who clearly is not ready to be an NBA player, maybe never will be.
No way I would want him on the Celtics after what White has and hasn't shown to the Rockets. He hasn't earned a single minute of playing time, he shows up when he feels like it, and his tweets suggest that he thinks he is more powerful than David Stern. Forget that.
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I hope they cut him, and Danny finds a way to get him on the Celtics for cheap. Would you keep this guy on your roster and let him only attend games that he can get to by car? I would.
I wouldn't. Complete chemistry and rotation nightmare.
Is doc going to play a guy who doesn't show up to trainings or shootarounds to earn it?
What happens in playoffs when you've gotta play in someone else's building?
Just going to let the guy bail out and wait for the home games?
No offense to the guy and his disorder but other than the Harden trade Houston have been pretty pathetic in the offseason.
Jeremy Lin's deal was atrocious, only eclipsed by Asik's horrible deal, and then they topped it all off with drafting this dude, who clearly is not ready to be an NBA player, maybe never will be.
http://www.thenbageek.com/articles/the-10-best-2012-13-contracts:
thenbageek says the Lin deal and the Asik deal weren't horrible. Lin is a cash cow, decent player for the price and is seats sold. Asik is a solid big. Makes sense to me.
thenbageek also talks about their contracts (the salary cap and CBA are things that I'll have to catch up to...some day...just not right now)
As for the draft picks...I've read they've been waiting to get a star and they got it. All the moves they've been making were set up to do that.
Three draft picks and gambling one on Royce White isn't too bad, especially considering they were seriously considering trading all of the picks for Gasol or Howard.
Again, makes sense to me.
I don't particularly feel strongly about the Rocket's management but absolutely don't think they've been as horrible as you say. Especially when you look at the Knicks and Nets who've been p---ing away their cap space...and the Magic...and so on and so forth.
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White may never have an nba career but also houston might be handling the situation the wrong way. Maybe since this is pro sports and a business there is no other way.
The way Houston wants to fix the situation is to have a therapist cure his condition. This way he can fly regularly, practice with the team, and not have the team also worry if he will arrive at games on time.
White on the other hand, does not want the cure or at least not the way houston wants to fix it. He seems like he is getting upset that his condition is not being respected or something. But White should know , if he does not ultimately want to deal or fix his issue, he won't have an nba future. You just can't ride the bus , miss practice, come to the game 1/2 hour before it starts .
Maybe if Houston gives him some time on the court, white will return the favor and fly more? maybe with the roar of the nba crowed, he might never want to miss a flight again.
White nowadays never stops whining and putting on a victim hat. Even without the condition quite a bit of rookies never see a minute in their first year.
Bottom line is i'm glad we don't have to deal with this. I don't want this kid on the celtics team. Likely will be a waste of immense talent. Could of been a lebron james lite eventually
From the way your post reads, you sound like this is analogous to him suffering from the flu.
That's a poor way to process this situation.
nope its not like a flu. I can't understand the seriousness of his disorder but i'm sure it is. Houston has a goal to be a winning team again and took a risk on a guy with major upside. They are scratching their head probably as to why he is being so uncooperative right now. Even at college , i read he didn't miss practice and played almost every game of the year. So that means he did fly
The only difference now is that , he has to fly even more and he is not playing tons of min like he is used to. Maybe its too much or too long of a fly than he can handle, maybe he is ticked off all that bus riding and not getting one minute of playing time on the court, or quite possibly it is riding the bus for 10 hours, feeling groggy , missing practices and not earning playing time.
Houston does not and will not give white special privilege to miss practices or come late, be unfamiliar with the system and just play him for real games. They will give him special privilege for him to have his own bus and travel , but he has to come on time to everything like everyone else.
So i understand why Houston is fining him and why they rather try hard to have a top therapist try to get him over his fear. But the only thing i can picture is the pro therapist asking him certain question and white getting upset and storming out of the room. Again i can't understand his condition but if its like part of your job is to high rise window clean yet you are scared of heights, then i can understand the panic. Like a fire fighter deathly scared of heights, you probably shouldn't be a fire fighter then.
Royce white unless can deal with flying constantly or after games take a quick shower, don't chum up with the team and leave on the bus to the next city and always be on time for practice or games , won't have a nba career. The bus thing is highly unrealistic. You would have to practice around whites schedule. Other than getting over the fear of flying as an option , the only other way for white to play would be to use him for home games or when houston plays teams that are not too far away. It would be the first privilege of its kind.
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In what sounds like legal posturing, White is suggesting that he may walk away from the NBA for health reasons.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8640395/houston-rockets-royce-white-ready-walk-away-nba
If this was truly a "health" concern, I would think that the kid would be trying to get better, starting with attending psychotherapy sessions.
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In what sounds like legal posturing, White is suggesting that he may walk away from the NBA for health reasons.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8640395/houston-rockets-royce-white-ready-walk-away-nba
If this was truly a "health" concern, I would think that the kid would be trying to get better, starting with attending psychotherapy sessions.
Roy like i mentioned in my post before, this is not some type of illness that will affect his life. Its not like he has to ever go to the airport and fly to another city. He can be and probably will be perfectly happy to just stay in one city or drive to a nearby one for the rest of his life.
In terms of becoming a proper NBA player, that is where the flying problem lies.
Houston took a risk drafting white knowing full aware of his condition, and want change too much too fast. Even money won't solve the issue and fining him definitely is making things worse. White won't budge on flying too much right now nor seeing a therapist to try to "help" him. Maybe you workout a special plan, like i just mentioned and play him only for home games or games that are nearby. He will practice less, but maybe let the ones that pertain to home games or nearby road games , be indicators if he can earn his time on the court. Stop fining him and be upfront that he can't be fully paid as originally signed, but half of the salary will be given to him, as long as he attends home game or nearby game practices and is at the sideline with the team even if he doesn't play.
Maybe White appreciates this , gets chummier with his team, loves nba basketball and the crowed and it becomes less tough to fly.
Houston is going about this at full force, and for white to drop on his knees on their terms. But like like Roy just posted, with White willing to walk away, its time for Houston to bend a little bit more , if they won't want to throw their draft pick down the toilet.
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dont feel bad for dis clown so glad dis weirdo aint drop to us he blowin an oppurtunity so many people round my way would love to have
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I bet White oversold his ability to jump on planes at the NBA Combine. The Rockets feel like they were played.
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nd for those defending dis clown, dude skipped out sessions wit a therapist da team set up for him iont think he can recover from throwin da team under da bus he talmbout he's willin to walk away from da game gotta get him outta here
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White may never have an nba career but also houston might be handling the situation the wrong way. Maybe since this is pro sports and a business there is no other way.
The way Houston wants to fix the situation is to have a therapist cure his condition. This way he can fly regularly, practice with the team, and not have the team also worry if he will arrive at games on time.
White on the other hand, does not want the cure or at least not the way houston wants to fix it. He seems like he is getting upset that his condition is not being respected or something. But White should know , if he does not ultimately want to deal or fix his issue, he won't have an nba future. You just can't ride the bus , miss practice, come to the game 1/2 hour before it starts .
Maybe if Houston gives him some time on the court, white will return the favor and fly more? maybe with the roar of the nba crowed, he might never want to miss a flight again.
White nowadays never stops whining and putting on a victim hat. Even without the condition quite a bit of rookies never see a minute in their first year.
Bottom line is i'm glad we don't have to deal with this. I don't want this kid on the celtics team. Likely will be a waste of immense talent. Could of been a lebron james lite eventually
From the way your post reads, you sound like this is analogous to him suffering from the flu.
That's a poor way to process this situation.
nope its not like a flu. I can't understand the seriousness of his disorder but i'm sure it is. Houston has a goal to be a winning team again and took a risk on a guy with major upside. They are scratching their head probably as to why he is being so uncooperative right now. Even at college , i read he didn't miss practice and played almost every game of the year. So that means he did fly
The only difference now is that , he has to fly even more and he is not playing tons of min like he is used to. Maybe its too much or too long of a fly than he can handle, maybe he is ticked off all that bus riding and not getting one minute of playing time on the court, or quite possibly it is riding the bus for 10 hours, feeling groggy , missing practices and not earning playing time.
Houston does not and will not give white special privilege to miss practices or come late, be unfamiliar with the system and just play him for real games. They will give him special privilege for him to have his own bus and travel , but he has to come on time to everything like everyone else.
So i understand why Houston is fining him and why they rather try hard to have a top therapist try to get him over his fear. But the only thing i can picture is the pro therapist asking him certain question and white getting upset and storming out of the room. Again i can't understand his condition but if its like part of your job is to high rise window clean yet you are scared of heights, then i can understand the panic. Like a fire fighter deathly scared of heights, you probably shouldn't be a fire fighter then.
Royce white unless can deal with flying constantly or after games take a quick shower, don't chum up with the team and leave on the bus to the next city and always be on time for practice or games , won't have a nba career. The bus thing is highly unrealistic. You would have to practice around whites schedule. Other than getting over the fear of flying as an option , the only other way for white to play would be to use him for home games or when houston plays teams that are not too far away. It would be the first privilege of its kind.
I respect that you said you don't understand the full seriousness of his illness. I wish more people would be willing to say the don't understand instead of jumping to conclusions or insulting him.
Speaking from personal experience, he will deal with this for the rest of his life. The key is finding ways to cope with his issue - whether that's with medication, psychotherapy, meditation techniques or all of the above. The most crucial thing in this process - and I can't stress this enough - is getting a strong support base in place and having open lines of communications with the people around you. Honestly, that support for those with mental illness can be the difference between life and death. It really seems that Royce feels the Rockets are not being 100% upfront with him and aren't communication. If that's the case, that's not a healthy situation for him and I wouldn't fault him for removing himself from that, no matter how much money is at stake.
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If this was truly a "health" concern, I would think that the kid would be trying to get better, starting with attending psychotherapy sessions.
When his anxiety is activated, it probably interferes with his ability to attend psychotherapy sessions. We're not talking about normal worry that most people have in their daily lives; we're talking about anxiety that makes someone act irrationally. Many times, they understand they are being irrational, but they can't stop.
When someone has a mental problem that interferes with normal functioning and routine, daily activities, it's probably not reasonable to expect that person should have no problem attending to his health the way a normal, functional adult might.
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White may never have an nba career but also houston might be handling the situation the wrong way. Maybe since this is pro sports and a business there is no other way.
The way Houston wants to fix the situation is to have a therapist cure his condition. This way he can fly regularly, practice with the team, and not have the team also worry if he will arrive at games on time.
White on the other hand, does not want the cure or at least not the way houston wants to fix it. He seems like he is getting upset that his condition is not being respected or something. But White should know , if he does not ultimately want to deal or fix his issue, he won't have an nba future. You just can't ride the bus , miss practice, come to the game 1/2 hour before it starts .
Maybe if Houston gives him some time on the court, white will return the favor and fly more? maybe with the roar of the nba crowed, he might never want to miss a flight again.
White nowadays never stops whining and putting on a victim hat. Even without the condition quite a bit of rookies never see a minute in their first year.
Bottom line is i'm glad we don't have to deal with this. I don't want this kid on the celtics team. Likely will be a waste of immense talent. Could of been a lebron james lite eventually
From the way your post reads, you sound like this is analogous to him suffering from the flu.
That's a poor way to process this situation.
nope its not like a flu. I can't understand the seriousness of his disorder but i'm sure it is. Houston has a goal to be a winning team again and took a risk on a guy with major upside. They are scratching their head probably as to why he is being so uncooperative right now. Even at college , i read he didn't miss practice and played almost every game of the year. So that means he did fly
The only difference now is that , he has to fly even more and he is not playing tons of min like he is used to. Maybe its too much or too long of a fly than he can handle, maybe he is ticked off all that bus riding and not getting one minute of playing time on the court, or quite possibly it is riding the bus for 10 hours, feeling groggy , missing practices and not earning playing time.
Houston does not and will not give white special privilege to miss practices or come late, be unfamiliar with the system and just play him for real games. They will give him special privilege for him to have his own bus and travel , but he has to come on time to everything like everyone else.
So i understand why Houston is fining him and why they rather try hard to have a top therapist try to get him over his fear. But the only thing i can picture is the pro therapist asking him certain question and white getting upset and storming out of the room. Again i can't understand his condition but if its like part of your job is to high rise window clean yet you are scared of heights, then i can understand the panic. Like a fire fighter deathly scared of heights, you probably shouldn't be a fire fighter then.
Royce white unless can deal with flying constantly or after games take a quick shower, don't chum up with the team and leave on the bus to the next city and always be on time for practice or games , won't have a nba career. The bus thing is highly unrealistic. You would have to practice around whites schedule. Other than getting over the fear of flying as an option , the only other way for white to play would be to use him for home games or when houston plays teams that are not too far away. It would be the first privilege of its kind.
I respect that you said you don't understand the full seriousness of his illness. I wish more people would be willing to say the don't understand instead of jumping to conclusions or insulting him.
Speaking from personal experience, he will deal with this for the rest of his life. The key is finding ways to cope with his issue - whether that's with medication, psychotherapy, meditation techniques or all of the above. The most crucial thing in this process - and I can't stress this enough - is getting a strong support base in place and having open lines of communications with the people around you. Honestly, that support for those with mental illness can be the difference between life and death. It really seems that Royce feels the Rockets are not being 100% upfront with him and aren't communication. If that's the case, that's not a healthy situation for him and I wouldn't fault him for removing himself from that, no matter how much money is at stake.
The thing is this. The rockets and the nba is a business. There is a conflict of interest for the Rockets to fully understand and do whatever white has in plan vs what the organization has to do, to win games.
White also has to put in effort and compromise. Attend as many practices as possible, get to know your teammates, build a relationship and like you said this might make a huge difference for him in terms of things getting easier with flying. He is upset right now with the fines and has stopped attending practice and supporting his team on the sidelines.
Its an ugly situation and maybe won't be able to be fixed. White seems like an extreme guy, in that if something bothers him he won't go to practice ever again or quit the nba all together. Why not just ask for a trade instead??
I wonder if the Celts drafted him, how danny/doc would of dealt with this issue?
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dont feel bad for dis clown so glad dis weirdo aint drop to us he blowin an oppurtunity so many people round my way would love to have
Preach!
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White may never have an nba career but also houston might be handling the situation the wrong way. Maybe since this is pro sports and a business there is no other way.
The way Houston wants to fix the situation is to have a therapist cure his condition. This way he can fly regularly, practice with the team, and not have the team also worry if he will arrive at games on time.
White on the other hand, does not want the cure or at least not the way houston wants to fix it. He seems like he is getting upset that his condition is not being respected or something. But White should know , if he does not ultimately want to deal or fix his issue, he won't have an nba future. You just can't ride the bus , miss practice, come to the game 1/2 hour before it starts .
Maybe if Houston gives him some time on the court, white will return the favor and fly more? maybe with the roar of the nba crowed, he might never want to miss a flight again.
White nowadays never stops whining and putting on a victim hat. Even without the condition quite a bit of rookies never see a minute in their first year.
Bottom line is i'm glad we don't have to deal with this. I don't want this kid on the celtics team. Likely will be a waste of immense talent. Could of been a lebron james lite eventually
From the way your post reads, you sound like this is analogous to him suffering from the flu.
That's a poor way to process this situation.
nope its not like a flu. I can't understand the seriousness of his disorder but i'm sure it is. Houston has a goal to be a winning team again and took a risk on a guy with major upside. They are scratching their head probably as to why he is being so uncooperative right now. Even at college , i read he didn't miss practice and played almost every game of the year. So that means he did fly
The only difference now is that , he has to fly even more and he is not playing tons of min like he is used to. Maybe its too much or too long of a fly than he can handle, maybe he is ticked off all that bus riding and not getting one minute of playing time on the court, or quite possibly it is riding the bus for 10 hours, feeling groggy , missing practices and not earning playing time.
Houston does not and will not give white special privilege to miss practices or come late, be unfamiliar with the system and just play him for real games. They will give him special privilege for him to have his own bus and travel , but he has to come on time to everything like everyone else.
So i understand why Houston is fining him and why they rather try hard to have a top therapist try to get him over his fear. But the only thing i can picture is the pro therapist asking him certain question and white getting upset and storming out of the room. Again i can't understand his condition but if its like part of your job is to high rise window clean yet you are scared of heights, then i can understand the panic. Like a fire fighter deathly scared of heights, you probably shouldn't be a fire fighter then.
Royce white unless can deal with flying constantly or after games take a quick shower, don't chum up with the team and leave on the bus to the next city and always be on time for practice or games , won't have a nba career. The bus thing is highly unrealistic. You would have to practice around whites schedule. Other than getting over the fear of flying as an option , the only other way for white to play would be to use him for home games or when houston plays teams that are not too far away. It would be the first privilege of its kind.
I respect that you said you don't understand the full seriousness of his illness. I wish more people would be willing to say the don't understand instead of jumping to conclusions or insulting him.
Speaking from personal experience, he will deal with this for the rest of his life. The key is finding ways to cope with his issue - whether that's with medication, psychotherapy, meditation techniques or all of the above. The most crucial thing in this process - and I can't stress this enough - is getting a strong support base in place and having open lines of communications with the people around you. Honestly, that support for those with mental illness can be the difference between life and death. It really seems that Royce feels the Rockets are not being 100% upfront with him and aren't communication. If that's the case, that's not a healthy situation for him and I wouldn't fault him for removing himself from that, no matter how much money is at stake.
The thing is this. The rockets and the nba is a business. There is a conflict of interest for the Rockets to fully understand and do whatever white has in plan vs what the organization has to do, to win games.
White also has to put in effort and compromise. Attend as many practices as possible, get to know your teammates, build a relationship and like you said this might make a huge difference for him in terms of things getting easier with flying. He is upset right now with the fines and has stopped attending practice and supporting his team on the sidelines.
Its an ugly situation and maybe won't be able to be fixed. White seems like an extreme guy, in that if something bothers him he won't go to practice ever again or quit the nba all together. Why not just ask for a trade instead??
I wonder if the Celts drafted him, how danny/doc would of dealt with this issue?
I understand the NBA is a business. When the Rockets drafted him, they should have had a strong plan in place. When he was in college, he was doing better - and I don't think that's because of playing time, given that the Rockets are rebuilding and Royce's talent, he'd be playing if he was practicing at this point. It comes back to what type of support system he has. The basketball program at his college was very supportive of him as was the fanbase. If you do your research, you'd also find that he's very well respected there because of the community work he did. So there's evidence that he not only cope, but thrive in the right environment.
And I also wanted to add, Royce was being critical of the Rockets handling his problem BEFORE they started fining him. I follow him on Twitter, and he's been going on about management's inconsistency in dealing with him. The fact that they fined him on top of that has just squashed any type of trust he and the team were building.
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Honestly what makes you think they didn't have a "strong" plan in place? They were negotiating with him and his agent before he even reported to camp initially.
Based on the current acrimony that plan that Royce agreed to is no longer to his liking. This isn't the Dolan's and their mess of an ownership, I doubt the Rockets have been running around violating the initial agreement they setup with Royce and his agent/lawyer/doctors.
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The Rockets are looking like complete idiots to me. Everybody knew that selecting Royce White was a gamble.
If it was worth the risk, then it was also worth ensuring that they created an environment that was comfortable for Royce White. It doesn't seem like they did that. It seems like they treated him like just another rookie.
Now it appears they've lost him.
I think some of this is on Royce, too. Not everyone gets a shot at being an NBA player. He might have lost that chance.
I don't know. It's a confusing issue, but I wish Royce White the best and hope he succeeds. I wonder if he's gotten in touch with Delonte (not joking).
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If it was worth the risk, then it was also worth ensuring that they created an environment that was comfortable for Royce White. It doesn't seem like they did that. It seems like they treated him like just another rookie.
I kinda disagree. If you are getting paid millions by an organization to play basketball and you declare for a draft to be selected to play in the NBA, it is not your employer's prerogative to make sure you can play basketball with an NBA travel schedule.
If Royce White needed to only play home games and not much else, this needed to be made clear to all the teams while they were doing their draft interviews. Which would have lead to 30 teams not touching the guy with a ten foot pole on draft night.
What is the bet that Royce and his agent sugar coated this situation at draft time?
I'm not making light of his disorder or his fear of flying but why did Royce declare for the draft, knowing all about his struggles and probably knowing a fair bit about what an NBA team expects travel-wise?
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If it was worth the risk, then it was also worth ensuring that they created an environment that was comfortable for Royce White. It doesn't seem like they did that. It seems like they treated him like just another rookie.
I kinda disagree. If you are getting paid millions by an organization to play basketball and you declare for a draft to be selected to play in the NBA, it is not your employer's prerogative to make sure you can play basketball with an NBA travel schedule.
If Royce White needed to only play home games and not much else, this needed to be made clear to all the teams while they were doing their draft interviews. Which would have lead to 30 teams not touching the guy with a ten foot pole on draft night.
What is the bet that Royce and his agent sugar coated this situation at draft time?
I'm not making light of his disorder or his fear of flying but why did Royce declare for the draft, knowing all about his struggles and probably knowing a fair bit about what an NBA team expects travel-wise?
I kinda disagree with your disagreement. It is the employer's prerogative. Just like with any player, it's up to the GM to pick a player who will be able to perform, and it's up to the coaching staff to help that player turn into the most productive player he can be.
Caveat emptor. It's not like the Rockets didn't have plenty of warning that they were taking a guy who had some issues and was going to need to be handled with care. If they couldn't deal with that, then they probably shouldn't have drafted him.
Maybe there's no team that will be able to meet Royce White's needs, but my guess is that he could find a home where he could be a good NBA player. I'm no psychiatrist, but my guess is also that it's as much about the interpersonal relationships and how he feels he was treated by the Rockets as it is about flights and practices.
As to your last paragraph, Royce White declared for the draft because he thought he would be drafted. He was right. I'm sure he didn't plan on this stuff happening.
It's like saying, "How dare Gabe Pruitt declare himself for the NBA draft when he knows he doesn't have what it takes to make it as an NBA player? The honorable thing for Gabe to do would be to go straight to Europe or the D-League and not waste an NBA franchise's draft pick and money."
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If it was worth the risk, then it was also worth ensuring that they created an environment that was comfortable for Royce White. It doesn't seem like they did that. It seems like they treated him like just another rookie.
I kinda disagree. If you are getting paid millions by an organization to play basketball and you declare for a draft to be selected to play in the NBA, it is not your employer's prerogative to make sure you can play basketball with an NBA travel schedule.
If Royce White needed to only play home games and not much else, this needed to be made clear to all the teams while they were doing their draft interviews. Which would have lead to 30 teams not touching the guy with a ten foot pole on draft night.
What is the bet that Royce and his agent sugar coated this situation at draft time?
I'm not making light of his disorder or his fear of flying but why did Royce declare for the draft, knowing all about his struggles and probably knowing a fair bit about what an NBA team expects travel-wise?
I kinda disagree with your disagreement. It is the employer's prerogative. Just like with any player, it's up to the GM to pick a player who will be able to perform, and it's up to the coaching staff to help that player turn into the most productive player he can be.
Caveat emptor. It's not like the Rockets didn't have plenty of warning that they were taking a guy who had some issues and was going to need to be handled with care. If they couldn't deal with that, then they probably shouldn't have drafted him.
Maybe there's no team that will be able to meet Royce White's needs, but my guess is that he could find a home where he could be a good NBA player. I'm no psychiatrist, but my guess is also that it's as much about the interpersonal relationships and how he feels he was treated by the Rockets as it is about flights and practices.
As to your last paragraph, Royce White declared for the draft because he thought he would be drafted. He was right. I'm sure he didn't plan on this stuff happening.
It's like saying, "How dare Gabe Pruitt declare himself for the NBA draft when he knows he doesn't have what it takes to make it as an NBA player? The honorable thing for Gabe to do would be to go straight to Europe or the D-League and not waste an NBA franchise's draft pick and money."
Should a janitor apply to be a surgeon or pilot knowing he can't do the jobs? What if some idiot actually hires him due to a faulty background check?
I'm not going to apply for a job that I'm incapable of doing.
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If it was worth the risk, then it was also worth ensuring that they created an environment that was comfortable for Royce White. It doesn't seem like they did that. It seems like they treated him like just another rookie.
I kinda disagree. If you are getting paid millions by an organization to play basketball and you declare for a draft to be selected to play in the NBA, it is not your employer's prerogative to make sure you can play basketball with an NBA travel schedule.
If Royce White needed to only play home games and not much else, this needed to be made clear to all the teams while they were doing their draft interviews. Which would have lead to 30 teams not touching the guy with a ten foot pole on draft night.
What is the bet that Royce and his agent sugar coated this situation at draft time?
I'm not making light of his disorder or his fear of flying but why did Royce declare for the draft, knowing all about his struggles and probably knowing a fair bit about what an NBA team expects travel-wise?
I kinda disagree with your disagreement. It is the employer's prerogative. Just like with any player, it's up to the GM to pick a player who will be able to perform, and it's up to the coaching staff to help that player turn into the most productive player he can be.
Caveat emptor. It's not like the Rockets didn't have plenty of warning that they were taking a guy who had some issues and was going to need to be handled with care. If they couldn't deal with that, then they probably shouldn't have drafted him.
Maybe there's no team that will be able to meet Royce White's needs, but my guess is that he could find a home where he could be a good NBA player. I'm no psychiatrist, but my guess is also that it's as much about the interpersonal relationships and how he feels he was treated by the Rockets as it is about flights and practices.
As to your last paragraph, Royce White declared for the draft because he thought he would be drafted. He was right. I'm sure he didn't plan on this stuff happening.
It's like saying, "How dare Gabe Pruitt declare himself for the NBA draft when he knows he doesn't have what it takes to make it as an NBA player? The honorable thing for Gabe to do would be to go straight to Europe or the D-League and not waste an NBA franchise's draft pick and money."
Should a janitor apply to be a surgeon or pilot knowing he can't do the jobs? What if some idiot actually hires him due to a faulty background check?
I'm not going to apply for a job that I'm incapable of doing.
Both those professions have strict controls in place to prevent that from happening.
So does the NBA in a sense, it's called the scouting department and now getting a free year of college tape and reports.
Houston's scouting department obviously let them down, not sure why that's Royce White's fault. He's clearly athletically skilled enough to play the position.
Under the logic here, Should every draft bust feel like they stole money, or is it different with Royce because of the stigma we associate with mental health issues?
I shed no tears for Houston, they evaluated the risk vs. reward and came to the conclusion that drafting a player who most said would be top 10 but for his mental health concerns was good value at pick 18. They were wrong.
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If it was worth the risk, then it was also worth ensuring that they created an environment that was comfortable for Royce White. It doesn't seem like they did that. It seems like they treated him like just another rookie.
I kinda disagree. If you are getting paid millions by an organization to play basketball and you declare for a draft to be selected to play in the NBA, it is not your employer's prerogative to make sure you can play basketball with an NBA travel schedule.
If Royce White needed to only play home games and not much else, this needed to be made clear to all the teams while they were doing their draft interviews. Which would have lead to 30 teams not touching the guy with a ten foot pole on draft night.
What is the bet that Royce and his agent sugar coated this situation at draft time?
I'm not making light of his disorder or his fear of flying but why did Royce declare for the draft, knowing all about his struggles and probably knowing a fair bit about what an NBA team expects travel-wise?
I kinda disagree with your disagreement. It is the employer's prerogative. Just like with any player, it's up to the GM to pick a player who will be able to perform, and it's up to the coaching staff to help that player turn into the most productive player he can be.
Caveat emptor. It's not like the Rockets didn't have plenty of warning that they were taking a guy who had some issues and was going to need to be handled with care. If they couldn't deal with that, then they probably shouldn't have drafted him.
Maybe there's no team that will be able to meet Royce White's needs, but my guess is that he could find a home where he could be a good NBA player. I'm no psychiatrist, but my guess is also that it's as much about the interpersonal relationships and how he feels he was treated by the Rockets as it is about flights and practices.
As to your last paragraph, Royce White declared for the draft because he thought he would be drafted. He was right. I'm sure he didn't plan on this stuff happening.
It's like saying, "How dare Gabe Pruitt declare himself for the NBA draft when he knows he doesn't have what it takes to make it as an NBA player? The honorable thing for Gabe to do would be to go straight to Europe or the D-League and not waste an NBA franchise's draft pick and money."
Should a janitor apply to be a surgeon or pilot knowing he can't do the jobs? What if some idiot actually hires him due to a faulty background check?
I'm not going to apply for a job that I'm incapable of doing.
Both those professions have strict controls in place to prevent that from happening.
So does the NBA in a sense, it's called the scouting department and now getting a free year of college tape and reports.
Houston's scouting department obviously let them down, not sure why that's Royce White's fault. He's clearly athletically skilled enough to pay the position.
Under the logic here, Should every draft bust feel like they stole money, or is it different with Royce because of the stigma we associate with mental health issues?
I shed no tears for Houston, they evaluated the risk vs. reward and came to the conclusion that drafting a player who most said would be top 10 but for his mental health concerns was good value at pick 18. They were wrong.
You are right but let me try another one to make my point a little clearer. Would you apply to work at a deli if you were deathly afraid to go near the meat slicers?
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If it was worth the risk, then it was also worth ensuring that they created an environment that was comfortable for Royce White. It doesn't seem like they did that. It seems like they treated him like just another rookie.
I kinda disagree. If you are getting paid millions by an organization to play basketball and you declare for a draft to be selected to play in the NBA, it is not your employer's prerogative to make sure you can play basketball with an NBA travel schedule.
If Royce White needed to only play home games and not much else, this needed to be made clear to all the teams while they were doing their draft interviews. Which would have lead to 30 teams not touching the guy with a ten foot pole on draft night.
What is the bet that Royce and his agent sugar coated this situation at draft time?
I'm not making light of his disorder or his fear of flying but why did Royce declare for the draft, knowing all about his struggles and probably knowing a fair bit about what an NBA team expects travel-wise?
I kinda disagree with your disagreement. It is the employer's prerogative. Just like with any player, it's up to the GM to pick a player who will be able to perform, and it's up to the coaching staff to help that player turn into the most productive player he can be.
Caveat emptor. It's not like the Rockets didn't have plenty of warning that they were taking a guy who had some issues and was going to need to be handled with care. If they couldn't deal with that, then they probably shouldn't have drafted him.
Maybe there's no team that will be able to meet Royce White's needs, but my guess is that he could find a home where he could be a good NBA player. I'm no psychiatrist, but my guess is also that it's as much about the interpersonal relationships and how he feels he was treated by the Rockets as it is about flights and practices.
As to your last paragraph, Royce White declared for the draft because he thought he would be drafted. He was right. I'm sure he didn't plan on this stuff happening.
It's like saying, "How dare Gabe Pruitt declare himself for the NBA draft when he knows he doesn't have what it takes to make it as an NBA player? The honorable thing for Gabe to do would be to go straight to Europe or the D-League and not waste an NBA franchise's draft pick and money."
Should a janitor apply to be a surgeon or pilot knowing he can't do the jobs? What if some idiot actually hires him due to a faulty background check?
I'm not going to apply for a job that I'm incapable of doing.
Both those professions have strict controls in place to prevent that from happening.
So does the NBA in a sense, it's called the scouting department and now getting a free year of college tape and reports.
Houston's scouting department obviously let them down, not sure why that's Royce White's fault. He's clearly athletically skilled enough to pay the position.
Under the logic here, Should every draft bust feel like they stole money, or is it different with Royce because of the stigma we associate with mental health issues?
I shed no tears for Houston, they evaluated the risk vs. reward and came to the conclusion that drafting a player who most said would be top 10 but for his mental health concerns was good value at pick 18. They were wrong.
You are right but let me try another one to make my point a little clearer. Would you apply to work at a deli if you were deathly afraid to go near the meat slicers?
That's a bad analogy. He's a good meat slicer. He's afraid to travel.
so the analogy should be
"If I was a fantastic meat slicer, would I apply to a job where I sliced meat in different cities if I knew I had a problem traveling?"
and the answer is probably yes, because one assumes that I would want to employ my meat slicing talents, and would be hopeful I could overcome my fear of traveling.
Would I be correct in thinking I could overcome the fear of traveling? I would hope so, as I'm sure Royce was hopeful.
Should I not apply to a job that I know I'm highly skilled for because I might not be able to manage my mental illness? Should I stay in Topeka, Kansas and be a fantastic meat slicer no one cares about because I have an illness that might impact my career?
The thing people are confusing or disregarding here, and we had the same problem with deleonte, is this belief that people with mental health illnesses should give up on trying to improve themselves and live their life according to the limitations of their disease. That whatever makes the person "all cray cray" is a permanent condition they should be ashamed of and not try to improve or manage.
There seems to be this Idea that White is sitting there going "Muahhahaha I had no intention of attempting to overcome or manage my WELL KNOWN PRIOR TO EMPLOYMENT OFFER mental handicap, now I can screw over the poor, helpless rockets!!"
I'm sure he's just as frustrated as the rockets. Do you think he wants to give up his lifelong dream and succumb to his mental illness? I'm gonna guess the answer is probably no.
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You can blame the Rockets all you want for not having a plan to deal with White and his mental illness but it appears to me they have made every effort to accommodate his demands. They wanted him to attend sessions with a therapist which declined to attend (doesn't seem like a difficult request to me), they picked up the tab on his bus/RV/whatever travel to games (again, seems like quite a nice employer offer to me), they have even allowed him to skip games and practices so he can deal with his issues. What more can they do to for the guy!?
It seems to me like they have done everything that should be required of them to make this thing work and more. The miscommunication is obviously on White's part. He's the one who is making this ordeal public and quite frankly he looks like a fool. This kid thinks that because he suffers from a disability that he can put an entire organization at its knees so that he can get what he wants. But wait, let's look at the real issue here.
The real issue is the kid is demanding playing time so that he can feel less anxious about everything. This is an unreasonable request. You earn playing time you aren't handed it. This kid thinks he's such a commodity (his words) that he can make the company that employs him meet every one of his demands. The Rockets have to protect their owns interests and I wouldn't be surprised if they cut him as soon as Monday when he meets with the GM. At some point the risk outweighs the reward. Personally, I would've already cut him and the fact that the Rockets haven't yet is a testament to the fact that they're doing everything necessary to keep this kid on the team.
Also, let's be honest here, the Rocket's aren't even losing that much if they cut their losses with White. Plenty of 16th picks don't make it in the pros. The kid is talented but stories like this are a dime a dozen in the NBA. At some point, and I imagine soon, they will decide to move forward and then White will be left without a job. The kid won't have much of a career after that so he better stop acting like he has all the leverage here. Seriously, the decision for him is between having an NBA career or becoming a martyr and playing for the Globetrotters for the rest of his days.
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The fact that White sounds so pompous in his tweets and statements doesn't help people's opinions of him either. I can't believe how cocky he sounds for a rookie who has yet to play a minute in the nba.
I would far more sympathetic if he sounded a little more humble. People usually have to fit into the world, and not expect the world to change for them. The Rockets appear to be bending over backwards to accomodate the kid, but obviously it's not nearly enough for White.
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The fact that White sounds so pompous in his tweets and statements doesn't help people's opinions of him either. I can't believe how cocky he sounds for a rookie who has yet to play a minute in the nba.
I would far more sympathetic if he sounded a little more humble. People usually have to fit into the world, and not expect the world to change for them. The Rockets appear to be bending over backwards to accomodate the kid, but obviously it's not nearly enough for White.
Oh absolutely, but he's a teenager (or is he 20?) with a mental illness that has teenage responses to Adult's telling him he needs to be more responsible.
I.E he's a jackoff, as most teenagers are haha. I'd like to go back in time and slap the taste out of 19 year old crownsy's mouth, but at the time i thought I had it allllll figured out ;)
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According to Woj, a lot of the complaints about "health issues" are coming because the Rockets aren't playing White:
White has turned down NBA D-League assignments, missed practices and conditioning workouts and tried to convince Rockets officials that his anxiety order would be much, much better if they would simply play him in games. This isn't a negotiation, and never will be.
Houston redid White's contract so it could pay for White's RVs and car services on trips, because of his fear of flying. The Rockets have let him come and go this season without fining him. They owe him that patience and understanding, but they don't owe him playing time. It's earned in the NBA, the way three Houston rookies are trying to earn it.
If it was easier for White to manage his anxiety disorder when he was the star at Iowa State, well, that isn't the Rockets' problem. There's no leveraging an anxiety disorder to get out of a D-League demotion and onto the NBA floor.
When meetings with Rockets coaches and officials couldn't get White the minutes he wanted, when a demotion to Rio Grande and the bus trips of the minors had been broached, White stopped showing up to the team's facility for practices and games last week. Maybe it was a coincidence, but White is losing the benefit of the doubt.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--royce-white-s-battle-with-rockets-over-aniexty-disorder-could-cost-him-nba-career-16011709.html
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This guy needs to pull himself together.
Wont be surprised if he gets cut if this continues.
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Honestly what makes you think they didn't have a "strong" plan in place? They were negotiating with him and his agent before he even reported to camp initially.
Based on the current acrimony that plan that Royce agreed to is no longer to his liking. This isn't the Dolan's and their mess of an ownership, I doubt the Rockets have been running around violating the initial agreement they setup with Royce and his agent/lawyer/doctors.
Honestly, what makes you think they're being 100% upfront with how they've handled this situation? We're both making assumptions - you're assuming Houston is a well oiled machine, but who really knows what has been said behind the scenes. Maybe I'm assuming Royce doesn't have another agenda here because I've personally dealt a lot with ignorant people making hurtful, uninformed comments about mental health issues. One thing I feel pretty confident of, there's two sides to every story and we may never know how this has really played out between both parties. Royce is Twitter as his primary mouthpiece and that comes with its own disadvantages and the Rockets have PR team dedicatied to spinning this into the team's favor.I just think its really arrogant to assume that the Rockets are the perfectly run organization and they may not be making their own missteps, and it sounds like they have. Part of having a "strong plan" in place is outlining boundaries and consequences of certain behavior. Its not just getting him an RV or a car service.
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This guy needs to pull himself together.
Wont be surprised if he gets cut if this continues.
They are just scard the Lakers or Celtics will pick him up for nothing and make an alstar out of him....LoL...
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It seems he faked it to make it into the 1st round. Now that he's got his guaranteed contract the real Royce White is coming out. Anxiety or not the story on him seems to be that he's an ****.
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This guy needs to pull himself together.
Wont be surprised if he gets cut if this continues.
They are just scard the Lakers or Celtics will pick him up for nothing and make an alstar out of him....LoL...
Lol.. TP hahaha
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It seems he faked it to make it into the 1st round. Now that he's got his guaranteed contract the real Royce White is coming out. Anxiety or not the story on him seems to be that he's an ****.
TP. Agree 100%.
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Honestly what makes you think they didn't have a "strong" plan in place? They were negotiating with him and his agent before he even reported to camp initially.
Based on the current acrimony that plan that Royce agreed to is no longer to his liking. This isn't the Dolan's and their mess of an ownership, I doubt the Rockets have been running around violating the initial agreement they setup with Royce and his agent/lawyer/doctors.
Honestly, what makes you think they're being 100% upfront with how they've handled this situation? We're both making assumptions - you're assuming Houston is a well oiled machine, but who really knows what has been said behind the scenes. Maybe I'm assuming Royce doesn't have another agenda here because I've personally dealt a lot with ignorant people making hurtful, uninformed comments about mental health issues. One thing I feel pretty confident of, there's two sides to every story and we may never know how this has really played out between both parties. Royce is Twitter as his primary mouthpiece and that comes with its own disadvantages and the Rockets have PR team dedicatied to spinning this into the team's favor.I just think its really arrogant to assume that the Rockets are the perfectly run organization and they may not be making their own missteps, and it sounds like they have. Part of having a "strong plan" in place is outlining boundaries and consequences of certain behavior. Its not just getting him an RV or a car service.
Totally agree, TP.
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Royce White is prepared to consider walking away from the NBA.
White plans on meeting with Houston Rockets' general manager Daryl Morey to discuss his ongoing situation.
The Rockets will continue to fine White for every day he remains away from the team or does not attend sessions with a therapist.
White and the Rockets have been in a dispute about how they are helping him with his anxiety disorder.
Via ESPN
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All while Sully posts a double -double. ;)
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I liked how Houston handled this most recent situation. Heavy handed and fining Royce White for not living up to his obligations.
Royce White wanted Houston to make special allowances for him due to his condition, the Rockets complied, they made an agreement stating those conditions and Royce White failed to meet his obligations.
Looks to me like someone who is almost going out of his way to cause problems in Houston (either he is doing this intentionally or he is just handling this situation so bloody awful that it looks that way). That mess in training camp should have been dealt with way before October. Back in the middle of summer. Instead, knowing that there was a problem and he needed Houston's help to nagivate it, Royce Whitewaited until he could make the most noise, create the most publicity and only talked about it then. Trying to show up the team. Instead of going out and dealing with a problem he knew was there months prior.
And now he is at again. Seems like a spoilt brat who insists everything in the world revolve around him and answer his every whim. Not just needs. Whim. And the minute something doesn't go his way (no playing time), he acts up again. I bet this most recent issue wouldn't have even happened if White was in the starting lineup playing 30+ minutes a night.
We'll see how this plays out in time but that is my read on him so far. He doesn't look like someone who is willing to put the work in (both on the court in terms of earning his playing time and off the court in terms of handling his condition). Wants everything instantly with no regard for the situation or anyone around him + throws a hissy fit when he doesn't get it. Anyway, we'll see ... but initial signs are very worrying for Houston.
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I liked how Houston handled this most recent situation. Heavy handed and fining Royce White for not living up to his obligations.
Royce White wanted Houston to make special allowances for him due to his condition, the Rockets complied, they made an agreement stating those conditions and Royce White failed to meet his obligations.
Looks to me like someone who is almost going out of his way to cause problems in Houston (either he is doing this intentionally or he is just handling this situation so bloody awful that it looks that way). That mess in training camp should have been dealt with way before October. Back in the middle of summer. Instead, knowing that there was a problem and he needed Houston's help to nagivate it, Royce Whitewaited until he could make the most noise, create the most publicity and only talked about it then. Trying to show up the team. Instead of going out and dealing with a problem he knew was there months prior.
And now he is at again. Seems like a spoilt brat who insists everything in the world revolve around him and answer his every whim. Not just needs. Whim. And the minute something doesn't go his way (no playing time), he acts up again. I bet this most recent issue wouldn't have even happened if White was in the starting lineup playing 30+ minutes a night.
We'll see how this plays out in time but that is my read on him so far. He doesn't look like someone who is willing to put the work in (both on the court in terms of earning his playing time and off the court in terms of handling his condition). Wants everything instantly with no regard for the situation or anyone around him + throws a hissy fit when he doesn't get it. Anyway, we'll see ... but initial signs are very worrying for Houston.
The problem with the situation is that if you look at it from White's perspective, his actions make more sense than Houston's.
He is the expert on his own condition, and it seems like he was able to handle it most of the time in college. And the testimonies about him are generally positive.
He obviously needs a firm support system around him for therapy and daily routines, and if those aren't around, he probably can't function as an NBA player. The problem here is, whether you allow him to be the judge on what he needs or not. And from his perspective it doesn't really make sense to leave this to anyone else. That may sound entitled, and it is a real problem for the organization, but how else can he deal with it?
I agree that he should have solved most of this before training camp, but I will cut him some slack. First of all there is no precedent, not with the Rockets, not in the NBA and probably not in most professional sports. Secondly, given the nature of his problems, going to the Rockets and - as his first action as a rookie - walk into the office and say "Houston, we have a problem..." would probably be a huge trigger for his anxiety. Maybe someone else should have made that call and set things in motion.
I hope that they work things out, since the Rockets actually have sounded like they were commited to do that. But it could very well be, that White's conditions are too severe for an NBA career. I have wondered that since I saw Grantland's short documentary about his draft day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRUS6QBiViQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRUS6QBiViQ)
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Just say'in....I have "heard" commments , just outside of sports, it seems that often people with a problem such as "air travel" in Whites instance have more than one demon in the closet. Semi hidden issues related to his overall frame of mind.
One particular phobia may headline or be obvious , chances are more issues are lurking /other phobias masked .
Sorry as I am for his man, his issues are nothing knew and if it was managable , he would have probally be able to deal with his demons by now.
My guess is he spends the rest of his life dealing with these crippling issues.
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Just say'in....I have "heard" commments , just outside of sports, it seems that often people with a problem such as "air travel" in Whites instance have more than one demon in the closet. Semi hidden issues related to his overall frame of mind.
One particular phobia may headline or be obvious , chances are more issues are lurking /other phobias masked .
Sorry as I am for his man, his issues are nothing knew and if it was managable , he would have probally be able to deal with his demons by now.
My guess is he spends the rest of his life dealing with these crippling issues.
I really encourage people to educate themselves more on mental health. I'm not singling you out, Shaqattack, I'm just speaking about some of the comments here. Its so easy for people to judge what the don't understand.
I have bipolar disorder, I also have a very successful career and stable private life. He can manage his issues with proper treatment and support. Is there a deeper issue for him that plays a central role to his disorder? Its possible. I personally had a difficult childhood, but I know many individuals dealing with different disorders that had completely normal, healthy childhoods and have loving families.
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His best friend or something died in some way that was highly traumatic for Royce. Shortly after, he was on a plane and became terrified of dying, but he couldn't get off the plane and it was very traumatic.
That's why he has that issue with planes. I had a bad feeling about it even before the draft, and he probably would have been better off being more honest with teams and getting drafted in the second round by a team like Boston or another vet team that wouldn't need him to produce right away.
This situation wouldn't be so stressful for HOU and White if hadn't been a mid-first rounder.
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His best friend or something died in some way that was highly traumatic for Royce. Shortly after, he was on a plane and became terrified of dying, but he couldn't get off the plane and it was very traumatic.
That's why he has that issue with planes. I had a bad feeling about it even before the draft, and he probably would have been better off being more honest with teams and getting drafted in the second round by a team like Boston or another vet team that wouldn't need him to produce right away.
This situation wouldn't be so stressful for HOU and White if hadn't been a mid-first rounder.
You can accuse White of a couple of things, but not being honest about his problems is absolutely not one of them. He is probably a top five-seven talent, and the Rockets decided to take the risk with his conditions.
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If he can't get over this fear of flying, Royce White should go to Europe and play pro ball over there. A small country where flying is unnecessary. Like Israel. Play on a team without European commitments (again, to avoid flying) and earn good money doing so.
That is a long way off though. Just something he should consider if can't make it work in the NBA after the next few years.
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If he can't get over this fear of flying, Royce White should go to Europe and play pro ball over there. A small country where flying is unnecessary. Like Israel. Play on a team without European commitments (again, to avoid flying) and earn good money doing so.
That is a long way off though. Just something he should consider if can't make it work in the NBA after the next few years.
How does he get to Europe?
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If he can't get over this fear of flying, Royce White should go to Europe and play pro ball over there. A small country where flying is unnecessary. Like Israel. Play on a team without European commitments (again, to avoid flying) and earn good money doing so.
That is a long way off though. Just something he should consider if can't make it work in the NBA after the next few years.
How does he get to Europe?
Haha! By kayak!
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This kid is a punk. Buy him out, cut your losses, move on.
I felt bad for him originally, but this is just a joke now.
He has an illness, no doubt about it, but this is the NBA. He knew well before coming in about the demands of it. I mean, was he expecting the Rockets to allow him to miss a week of games when he had to make a swing from the East coast to the West coast and by bus? The Rockets are at fault for taking him and knowing what they were taking on, but he is at fault, too, for allowing all of this to happen as well. It takes two to tango, as the old saying goes.
Word is the Globetrotters want to help him out...they don't travel by air to games in the mainland and they said they would let him miss overseas contests...let him go. While he won't be making NBA money, at least he can still be utilizing his basketball talents in some capacity.
This is a situation that just needs to be put to rest. The kid has the talent but not the mental capacity for the league. Houston needs to buy him out, give him one big paycheck and wish him luck.
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Royce White screwed up by not just going to the DLeague. No planes, low stress, put on a show, and come back and get into the deep rotation. Out of the limelight. Now he might be out of the game.
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I'm just glad we didn't draft him. More issues than he's worth.
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If he can't get over this fear of flying, Royce White should go to Europe and play pro ball over there. A small country where flying is unnecessary. Like Israel. Play on a team without European commitments (again, to avoid flying) and earn good money doing so.
so you are looking for a team without euro commitments in a small country that will pay GOOD money ??? Goodluck finding that !!!
in spain & russia maybe are teams willing to pay 200k but i don`t think that this qualifies as good money and besides plane travels are not avoidable
i can`t understand why the rockets picked him.... i mean he went open public with his situation and every team has an army of specialists to check every player ////