This ongoing thread, what is Kyrie actually is, is becoming funny ATP.
3/4 of the votes here say he is a superstar.
All coaches in the NBA, by their quotes, consider him a superstar.
Our father and holy ghost (DA & CBS) know he is a superstar.
on the other hand:
1/4 of the votes here, steadily trending down, say he is not as good.
Actually, just a few guys respond from this corner, without providing any good argument why.
Just some generalities or something from the past, that doesn't stand anymore.
Seems to me like we are having a non-convo. Just a few people that are angry (IT/?) or don't realize that it is OK to be wrong sometimes. Newsflash, I am too, we all are. IMO, it is much worse to not being able to change your mind and learn on the go. Afterall we are humans, the animals that can adapt quickly.
Your post is very misinformed, and your perspective is very lazy. It's clear you've read none of the posts that served as thoughtful counter-arguments and convo about the definition of the term.
Please share exactly where I have been "wrong." Everyone seems to want to provide the most popular hot-takes without any support or discussion. Please read the posts you are arguing before your "lol"s if you intend to discuss with an open mind.
First of all, I am sorry you broke your leg.
I don't have the urge to go into some long-winded arguments to make a point. My perspective is different from yours, and that difference isn't laziness, it is my stance on the anti-Kyrie argumentation, which I find shallow and emotional.
You're the one being shallow and emotional. After all, you accused others of being "angry", tried to paint those who don't agree with you as providing only "generalities" (which is exactly the nature of your own argument) and then cowardly said that you weren't going to back up your own assertions. It appears that you can't tolerate different perspectives at all.
There's plenty of good conversation in this thread. It's just not being generated from any of your posts.
It is not a generality to say 3/4 of the voters have viewed him as a Superstar - it is a fact, scroll up, see? Good.
It is not a generality that most coaches (players like KD too) say he is unguardable and amazing - it is a fact. Here are some quotes made within last month, I read 100s of similar in the last 3-4 years.
Rick Carlisle: “Kyrie Irving is as tough a cover as there is in the world. … Kyrie, in terms of creativity, is second to none.”
“I tell people all the time. If he’s not the hardest guy to guard he’s got to be in the top three. He’s phenomenal.” – #Warriors assistant coach Mike Brown
Pop says it’s the same Kyrie: “He’s a hell of a player. You think that’s going to change? Kyrie does what he does.
And it is not a generality that DA and CBS view him as such due to a whole string of superlatives they made when describing him (if you need links ill send it to you, but I presume that all Celtic fans saw these since it was a big thing). As a proof that DAs words are not empty, they are backed up by a mega-deal that included an all-star, a certain certainly unprotected lottery pick, a starter on most teams and basically a late 1st and another 2nd, going the other way just for him - those are the facts.
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I am not a native English language speaker, but I know what the word fact means.
And Granath, I have felt this sometime now. You attack straightforward, going all in without "finesse or plan". You just try to make it personal, and I guess you want me to get to "play your game". Sorry man, I'm not joining in. I've got nothing but love and facts for you.