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Re: NBA 2020-2021 Season Thread
« Reply #435 on: January 21, 2021, 09:23:49 AM »

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The Brooklyn Big 3's debut leads to being down to Cavs 49-51 at halftime.

KD - 4-9 for 11 points

Kyrie - 8-10 for 17 points

Harden - 0-2 for 2 points

That's going to be the theme their entire tenure with one guy (ala Ray Allen) getting less touches and shots every night. We'll see how long Harden goes along with that.
Pretty laughable how their best on-ball engine is getting the least touches lol. But hey at least Kyrie is getting his 2.5 post ups per game! ::)

This is the problem with Harden. His game is based on slowly lulling defenders to sleep and then exploding off the dribble but all that takes time on the ball and it denies his teammates from contributing to the offense while he does it. Partially due to his lack of athleticism and partially due to his insistence on high usage versus say a Ginobili-like usage which would allow him to be effective without hurting his teammates.

This is the issue with putting Harden next to other stars. He needs so much time on the ball that he doesn't assimilate to other offensive setups well. You can see this in All-Star games, in Team USA and in Houston next to both Dwight Howard and CP3.

This also makes him the most vulnerable to a downturn in performance when playing with other stars relative to Kyrie or Durant who can create their own shots in far less time and space than Harden is able to. So those guys are more consistent scorers / offensive creators regardless of situation to Harden.

Harden on the other hand needs to be catered to and in doing so will hurt many other types of offensive star players that play next to him.

Harden was always the one that was most likely to see a decrease in his production because of this. Because of his own style of play.

Re: NBA 2020-2021 Season Thread
« Reply #436 on: January 21, 2021, 10:39:23 AM »

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And that is why they should trade Kyrie.  He provides nothing they can't get from Harden offensively and Harden isn't a horrid defender like Irving is.

Yeah, the only thing Irving and Harden do is add insurance in case one gets injured (or is otherwise unavailable). I didn't watch the Cleveland game, but I watched their game against Milwaukee without Irving. Harden just needs to get into shape but otherwise plays much better with Durant that Irving does. Despite dominating the ball, he gets teammates better looks than Irving and gets the free throw line much more.

Like if they could get like OG Anunoby and Pascal Siakam for Kyrie, I think they'd be better off.

Re: NBA 2020-2021 Season Thread
« Reply #437 on: January 21, 2021, 10:45:22 AM »

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Looking at the box, offensively, there doesn't seems to be an issue.  Kyrie may have taken the most shots, but it was efficient. 

Harden didn't take as many shots, but he did rack up assists.



Now did anyone else see the clip of Harden's "defense" that Ryan Russillo posted on twitter?

Re: NBA 2020-2021 Season Thread
« Reply #438 on: January 21, 2021, 11:27:01 AM »

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The Brooklyn Big 3's debut leads to being down to Cavs 49-51 at halftime.

KD - 4-9 for 11 points

Kyrie - 8-10 for 17 points

Harden - 0-2 for 2 points

That's going to be the theme their entire tenure with one guy (ala Ray Allen) getting less touches and shots every night. We'll see how long Harden goes along with that.
Pretty laughable how their best on-ball engine is getting the least touches lol. But hey at least Kyrie is getting his 2.5 post ups per game! ::)

This is the problem with Harden. His game is based on slowly lulling defenders to sleep and then exploding off the dribble but all that takes time on the ball and it denies his teammates from contributing to the offense while he does it. Partially due to his lack of athleticism and partially due to his insistence on high usage versus say a Ginobili-like usage which would allow him to be effective without hurting his teammates.

This is the issue with putting Harden next to other stars. He needs so much time on the ball that he doesn't assimilate to other offensive setups well. You can see this in All-Star games, in Team USA and in Houston next to both Dwight Howard and CP3.

This also makes him the most vulnerable to a downturn in performance when playing with other stars relative to Kyrie or Durant who can create their own shots in far less time and space than Harden is able to. So those guys are more consistent scorers / offensive creators regardless of situation to Harden.

Harden on the other hand needs to be catered to and in doing so will hurt many other types of offensive star players that play next to him.

Harden was always the one that was most likely to see a decrease in his production because of this. Because of his own style of play.
Harden and Durant looked just fine playing together without Irving.  The problem is Irving.  It has always been Irving.  Irving acts like and plays like he is the greatest player in the league.  He isn't anywhere near that good and that has always been his greatest flaw.
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Re: NBA 2020-2021 Season Thread
« Reply #439 on: January 21, 2021, 02:08:51 PM »

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The Brooklyn Big 3's debut leads to being down to Cavs 49-51 at halftime.

KD - 4-9 for 11 points

Kyrie - 8-10 for 17 points

Harden - 0-2 for 2 points

That's going to be the theme their entire tenure with one guy (ala Ray Allen) getting less touches and shots every night. We'll see how long Harden goes along with that.
Pretty laughable how their best on-ball engine is getting the least touches lol. But hey at least Kyrie is getting his 2.5 post ups per game! ::)

This is the problem with Harden. His game is based on slowly lulling defenders to sleep and then exploding off the dribble but all that takes time on the ball and it denies his teammates from contributing to the offense while he does it. Partially due to his lack of athleticism and partially due to his insistence on high usage versus say a Ginobili-like usage which would allow him to be effective without hurting his teammates.

This is the issue with putting Harden next to other stars. He needs so much time on the ball that he doesn't assimilate to other offensive setups well. You can see this in All-Star games, in Team USA and in Houston next to both Dwight Howard and CP3.

This also makes him the most vulnerable to a downturn in performance when playing with other stars relative to Kyrie or Durant who can create their own shots in far less time and space than Harden is able to. So those guys are more consistent scorers / offensive creators regardless of situation to Harden.

Harden on the other hand needs to be catered to and in doing so will hurt many other types of offensive star players that play next to him.

Harden was always the one that was most likely to see a decrease in his production because of this. Because of his own style of play.
Harden and Durant looked just fine playing together without Irving.  The problem is Irving.  It has always been Irving.  Irving acts like and plays like he is the greatest player in the league.  He isn't anywhere near that good and that has always been his greatest flaw.

Exactly - because Durant doesn't interfere with anyone else's ability to do their thing on offense. He can play and score next to anyone. So Durant can let Harden monopolize the play and still be effective.

Kyrie cannot do that with Harden
Harden cannot do that with Kyrie

I agree with you that the best way forward is to trade Kyrie and build the offense around Harden.

Durant is a freak. Very few people in today's NBA can do what he does - be effective without dictating the offense. Almost all the perimeter stars are ball-dominant or needing of more touches to be consistently effective. That is why Harden is so difficult to put next to most star players and why Durant is so easy to put alongside most star players. Durant can play with anyone.

That Harden & Durant work together is due to Durant. Not Harden. Same for Kyrie and Durant. Durant is the guy that makes that partnership work also.

Re: NBA 2020-2021 Season Thread
« Reply #440 on: January 21, 2021, 02:23:24 PM »

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God I would love it if they traded Kyrie.

Where would be the best place, from our schadenfreude perspective, for Kyrie to get traded?

Orlando?

Sacramento?

Actually, maybe OKC and/or New Orleans should check on whether it might be possible to trade for him.  Both teams have draft capital for days that would give Brooklyn assets to maintain a supporting cast around Harden and Durant.  OKC could send Al Horford plus a ton of picks.  Al could actually be useful playing on that team.  New Orleans could send Bledsoe and/or Redick and various pieces.



Horford + Hill for Kyrie + Shamet works in the trade machine.

OKC could send like 5 first rounders to Brooklyn and still have a ton of picks over the next 3-4 years.
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Re: NBA 2020-2021 Season Thread
« Reply #441 on: January 21, 2021, 05:21:25 PM »

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God I would love it if they traded Kyrie.

Where would be the best place, from our schadenfreude perspective, for Kyrie to get traded?

Orlando?

Sacramento?

Actually, maybe OKC and/or New Orleans should check on whether it might be possible to trade for him.  Both teams have draft capital for days that would give Brooklyn assets to maintain a supporting cast around Harden and Durant.  OKC could send Al Horford plus a ton of picks.  Al could actually be useful playing on that team.  New Orleans could send Bledsoe and/or Redick and various pieces.



Horford + Hill for Kyrie + Shamet works in the trade machine.

OKC could send like 5 first rounders to Brooklyn and still have a ton of picks over the next 3-4 years.
I like trades you’re suggesting but I don’t see NO or OKC giving away picks unless we are talking one late first rounder plus a couple second round picks

Re: NBA 2020-2021 Season Thread
« Reply #442 on: January 21, 2021, 08:06:37 PM »

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Re: NBA 2020-2021 Season Thread
« Reply #443 on: January 21, 2021, 08:08:28 PM »

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Re: NBA 2020-2021 Season Thread
« Reply #444 on: January 21, 2021, 08:14:05 PM »

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God I would love it if they traded Kyrie.

Where would be the best place, from our schadenfreude perspective, for Kyrie to get traded?

Orlando?

Sacramento?

Actually, maybe OKC and/or New Orleans should check on whether it might be possible to trade for him.  Both teams have draft capital for days that would give Brooklyn assets to maintain a supporting cast around Harden and Durant.  OKC could send Al Horford plus a ton of picks.  Al could actually be useful playing on that team.  New Orleans could send Bledsoe and/or Redick and various pieces.



Horford + Hill for Kyrie + Shamet works in the trade machine.

OKC could send like 5 first rounders to Brooklyn and still have a ton of picks over the next 3-4 years.

Kyrie for Vucevic would be good for both teams.

Give Orlando a fresh start. Give the Nets a top center who would work well with both Harden and Durant.

Re: NBA 2020-2021 Season Thread
« Reply #445 on: January 21, 2021, 08:54:52 PM »

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God I would love it if they traded Kyrie.

Where would be the best place, from our schadenfreude perspective, for Kyrie to get traded?

Orlando?

Sacramento?

Actually, maybe OKC and/or New Orleans should check on whether it might be possible to trade for him.  Both teams have draft capital for days that would give Brooklyn assets to maintain a supporting cast around Harden and Durant.  OKC could send Al Horford plus a ton of picks.  Al could actually be useful playing on that team.  New Orleans could send Bledsoe and/or Redick and various pieces.



Horford + Hill for Kyrie + Shamet works in the trade machine.

OKC could send like 5 first rounders to Brooklyn and still have a ton of picks over the next 3-4 years.

Kyrie for Vucevic would be good for both teams.

Give Orlando a fresh start. Give the Nets a top center who would work well with both Harden and Durant.

Kyrie's head would explode! ;D

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« Reply #446 on: January 21, 2021, 09:02:17 PM »

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God I would love it if they traded Kyrie.

Where would be the best place, from our schadenfreude perspective, for Kyrie to get traded?

Orlando?

Sacramento?

Actually, maybe OKC and/or New Orleans should check on whether it might be possible to trade for him.  Both teams have draft capital for days that would give Brooklyn assets to maintain a supporting cast around Harden and Durant.  OKC could send Al Horford plus a ton of picks.  Al could actually be useful playing on that team.  New Orleans could send Bledsoe and/or Redick and various pieces.



Horford + Hill for Kyrie + Shamet works in the trade machine.

OKC could send like 5 first rounders to Brooklyn and still have a ton of picks over the next 3-4 years.

Kyrie for Vucevic would be good for both teams.

Give Orlando a fresh start. Give the Nets a top center who would work well with both Harden and Durant.

Kyrie's head would explode! ;D

You mean it hasn't already ?!?!? :laugh:

Re: NBA 2020-2021 Season Thread
« Reply #447 on: January 21, 2021, 09:12:37 PM »

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God I would love it if they traded Kyrie.

Where would be the best place, from our schadenfreude perspective, for Kyrie to get traded?

Orlando?

Sacramento?

Actually, maybe OKC and/or New Orleans should check on whether it might be possible to trade for him.  Both teams have draft capital for days that would give Brooklyn assets to maintain a supporting cast around Harden and Durant.  OKC could send Al Horford plus a ton of picks.  Al could actually be useful playing on that team.  New Orleans could send Bledsoe and/or Redick and various pieces.



Horford + Hill for Kyrie + Shamet works in the trade machine.

OKC could send like 5 first rounders to Brooklyn and still have a ton of picks over the next 3-4 years.

Kyrie for Vucevic would be good for both teams.

Give Orlando a fresh start. Give the Nets a top center who would work well with both Harden and Durant.

Kyrie's head would explode! ;D

You mean it hasn't already ?!?!? :laugh:

Touche my friend...

Re: NBA 2020-2021 Season Thread
« Reply #448 on: January 21, 2021, 09:35:50 PM »

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God I would love it if they traded Kyrie.

Where would be the best place, from our schadenfreude perspective, for Kyrie to get traded?

Orlando?

Sacramento?

Actually, maybe OKC and/or New Orleans should check on whether it might be possible to trade for him.  Both teams have draft capital for days that would give Brooklyn assets to maintain a supporting cast around Harden and Durant.  OKC could send Al Horford plus a ton of picks.  Al could actually be useful playing on that team.  New Orleans could send Bledsoe and/or Redick and various pieces.



Horford + Hill for Kyrie + Shamet works in the trade machine.

OKC could send like 5 first rounders to Brooklyn and still have a ton of picks over the next 3-4 years.

Kyrie for Vucevic would be good for both teams.

Give Orlando a fresh start. Give the Nets a top center who would work well with both Harden and Durant.

Kyrie's head would explode! ;D
Gotta love the thought of Kyrie doing some ads with Mickey Mouse for local advertising. I can see it now:

Kyrie seen looking into the camera while dribbling.

Voice of commentator: "Come watch Kyrie make Magic!"

The Disney favorites all come on camera surrounding and hugging a weirded out Kyrie

Mickey Mouse: "Yes sir ree Bob. Kyrie is Magic. We should know, right, Donald?!?!"

Kyrie walks off and in Donald Duck's voice says:" Ah, fooey!"


Re: NBA 2020-2021 Season Thread
« Reply #449 on: January 21, 2021, 09:49:09 PM »

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God I would love it if they traded Kyrie.

Where would be the best place, from our schadenfreude perspective, for Kyrie to get traded?

Orlando?

Sacramento?

Actually, maybe OKC and/or New Orleans should check on whether it might be possible to trade for him.  Both teams have draft capital for days that would give Brooklyn assets to maintain a supporting cast around Harden and Durant.  OKC could send Al Horford plus a ton of picks.  Al could actually be useful playing on that team.  New Orleans could send Bledsoe and/or Redick and various pieces.



Horford + Hill for Kyrie + Shamet works in the trade machine.

OKC could send like 5 first rounders to Brooklyn and still have a ton of picks over the next 3-4 years.

Kyrie for Vucevic would be good for both teams.

Give Orlando a fresh start. Give the Nets a top center who would work well with both Harden and Durant.

Kyrie's head would explode! ;D
Gotta love the thought of Kyrie doing some ads with Mickey Mouse for local advertising. I can see it now:

Kyrie seen looking into the camera while dribbling.

Voice of commentator: "Come watch Kyrie make Magic!"

The Disney favorites all come on camera surrounding and hugging a weirded out Kyrie

Mickey Mouse: "Yes sir ree Bob. Kyrie is Magic. We should know, right, Donald?!?!"

Kyrie walks off and in Donald Duck's voice says:" Ah, fooey!"

surreal...