Why do I see him ending up in LA with James and George with the Lakers sending Ball to the Spurs...Surely San An could do better than Lonzo. That is not much of a return for them.
Kawhi for LeBron?
Why do I see him ending up in LA with James and George with the Lakers sending Ball to the Spurs...Surely San An could do better than Lonzo. That is not much of a return for them.
I suppose Kawhi could force their hand though. Refuse to go elsewhere.
Shams CharaniaMaybe so, but if I'm SA, I want Ingram and Kuzma before Ball.
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Kawhi Leonard wants out of San Antonio, league sources tell ESPN.
Why do I see him ending up in LA with James and George with the Lakers sending Ball to the Spurs...
Is there any confirmation that Leonard wants to play for the Lakers?
WOJ has said he wants LA.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1007676505562984450
In my opinion Him and LBJ and George in LA is a done deal.
The NBA "coincidences" are quite funny. This is the first domino to fall this summer. All these guys talk to each other. The back channels have been working long before today.
The NBA "coincidences" are quite funny. This is the first domino to fall this summer. All these guys talk to each other. The back channels have been working long before today.
https://twitter.com/andrewbogut/status/1006433196475469825
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Remember everyone who thought the " kawhi wants out" story was fake? They can go kick rocks
No one wants to play for pop
"Are cometh", really? :DThe NBA "coincidences" are quite funny. This is the first domino to fall this summer. All these guys talk to each other. The back channels have been working long before today.
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Why do GMs honor these 'wish lists' again?
Why do GMs honor these 'wish lists' again?
Lakers now have same title odds as Celtics for next season. Think about that...
true except for DannyWhy do GMs honor these 'wish lists' again?
Because a team that feels they will be able to resign a player entering free agency will pay more.
Lost all respect for Kawhi Leonard. Hope he rots and never wins another championship cuz clearly Tim Duncan carried him to his first.
That being said, the Lakers are going to be very dangerous for years to come WHEN they land LeBron James, Paul George, and Kawhi Leonard. They'll destroy Golden State and Houston.
Why do GMs honor these 'wish lists' again?
Because the worst case scenario is losing him for nothing.
If he says he won't resign to team X if he gets traded there, team X would be hesitant in giving proper value for him.
WOJ has said he wants LA.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1007676505562984450
In my opinion Him and LBJ and George in LA is a done deal.
Lost all respect for Kawhi Leonard. Hope he rots and never wins another championship cuz clearly Tim Duncan carried him to his first.
That being said, the Lakers are going to be very dangerous for years to come WHEN they land LeBron James, Paul George, and Kawhi Leonard. They'll destroy Golden State and Houston.
Wouldn't the Lakers be super gutted if they have all three?
That being said, the Lakers are going to be very dangerous for years to come WHEN they land LeBron James, Paul George, and Kawhi Leonard. They'll destroy Golden State and Houston.I don’t think they will destroy GS. It will be close.
James, Leonard and Paul George have been the Lakers goal for several years. They dumped a ton of salary to the Cavs and will let Randle walk or use him in a S and T to clear more.
What do they give up to get Leonard is the big question. I think James and George already have deals with the Lakers in place.
The team screwed is Philly. Going to add nobody of any importance to that roster.
Is there any confirmation that Leonard wants to play for the Lakers?
Ahhh don't you guys hate it that whenever the Celtics become exceptionally good, the Lakers suddenly become godlier by adding in three superstars all in one summer. ::)
That being said, the Lakers are going to be very dangerous for years to come WHEN they land LeBron James, Paul George, and Kawhi Leonard. They'll destroy Golden State and Houston.I don’t think they will destroy GS. It will be close.
I still think George will end up in Philly.
Lakers will need to trade Lonzo because that's a circus you don't need when you're contending.
I'd be interested to see if they can get Portland to consider trading Dame for Lonzo+Kuzma.
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If Kawhi Leonard does become available in trade talks, the Boston Celtics will be interested in probing the Spurs about a deal, league sources tell ESPN. Boston inquired about a trade prior to the February deadline, sources said.
Unbelievable, and yet Leonard hasn't talked to Pops yet.
Ugh.
I hate how the Lakers can just get anyone they want..
We'll see, but if they end up with LeBron, George, and Leonard... That's a very scary team that can definitely give GSW up to 7 games. Real question is how will their team look like?
Laker buddy’s says Spurs would take Ingram over Jaylen cuz he beats him in just about every category stat wise. Really?
Boston, like usual, has the best pieces to deal.
I would prefer not making the deal but if I had to I keep Tatum and deal Brown with the 2019 Kings pick
Boston, like usual, has the best pieces to deal.
I would prefer not making the deal but if I had to I keep Tatum and deal Brown with the 2019 Kings pick
No, KL's value should go down after their first attempt in February trade deadline. And because of what KL is demanding of his team. Brown/Rozier/LAC pick, get it done if anything.
If Boston makes the best offer and Kawhi still demands LA, his reputation will rightfully tank just like Durant’s.why not? players should run their lives so as to please fans' concepts of how teams should be built?
I hope SA forces him to go east or play out his contract. Players who aren’t even free agents shouldn’t be able to demand their way to a super team.
Boston, like usual, has the best pieces to deal.
I would prefer not making the deal but if I had to I keep Tatum and deal Brown with the 2019 Kings pick
No, KL's value should go down after their first attempt in February trade deadline. And because of what KL is demanding of his team. Brown/Rozier/LAC pick, get it done if anything.
If they could get him for Rozier and the 2019 Kings pick keeping Brown...that would be ideal.
I still think George will end up in Philly.
Lakers will need to trade Lonzo because that's a circus you don't need when you're contending.
I'd be interested to see if they can get Portland to consider trading Dame for Lonzo+Kuzma.
If Boston makes the best offer and Kawhi still demands LA, his reputation will rightfully tank just like Durant’s.why not? players should run their lives so as to please fans' concepts of how teams should be built?
I hope SA forces him to go east or play out his contract. Players who aren’t even free agents shouldn’t be able to demand their way to a super team.
Boston, like usual, has the best pieces to deal.
I would prefer not making the deal but if I had to I keep Tatum and deal Brown with the 2019 Kings pick
No, KL's value should go down after their first attempt in February trade deadline. And because of what KL is demanding of his team. Brown/Rozier/LAC pick, get it done if anything.
It was reported months ago that Kawhi was upset that lesser players get bigger shoe deals than he does. So, he wants exposure.
Under those circumstances, LA and NYK make sense, even if I'd argue that winning is the best exposure.
can the celtics even afford leonard without giving up irving, heyward or horford?
Philly just became a treadmill team.
Philly just became a treadmill team.
Until Ben Simmons can hit shots outside of 5 feet...they will struggle to attract ball dominate players that need the ball.
Plus other than Embidd and Simmons, their roster is really the same type of guys...Dario, Covington...Embiid is not durable either and Fultz looks destined to be bust.
Can you split the ball three ways? They still won’t beat golden state.
Boston, like usual, has the best pieces to deal.
I would prefer not making the deal but if I had to I keep Tatum and deal Brown with the 2019 Kings pick
No, KL's value should go down after their first attempt in February trade deadline. And because of what KL is demanding of his team. Brown/Rozier/LAC pick, get it done if anything.
Leonard wanting out means that SA will take less in a deal, but the price will be high based on how many teams want him. If the Lakers are willing to go all in (and it seems like they are), the only way we get him is by out bidding them. That will take more than Brown, Rozier, and a couple of seconds (which that pick will likely turn into)
Brown and the Kings Pick would probably just be the start
I still think George will end up in Philly.
Lakers will need to trade Lonzo because that's a circus you don't need when you're contending.
I'd be interested to see if they can get Portland to consider trading Dame for Lonzo+Kuzma.
I am pretty surprised by this take. George says he wants to go to LA years ago, they actually get good and will have a max slot and he moves the furthest possible spot from his hometown?
That would be a head scratcher.
can the celtics even afford leonard without giving up irving, heyward or horford?
can the celtics even afford leonard without giving up irving, heyward or horford?
Leonard *only* makes ~$20 million right now. We would need to send out ~$16 million to match. Brown+Morris puts us at ~$10.5 million, throw in Yabu+Rozier (or one of them plus Semi and Nader) and you're there. And we would still be able to re-sign Smart plus offer Baynes somewhere around $5 million
I really do not want to see Brown moved....or Kyrie or Hayward...
Prefer rozier, smart, picks
I still think George will end up in Philly.
Lakers will need to trade Lonzo because that's a circus you don't need when you're contending.
I'd be interested to see if they can get Portland to consider trading Dame for Lonzo+Kuzma.
I am pretty surprised by this take. George says he wants to go to LA years ago, they actually get good and will have a max slot and he moves the furthest possible spot from his hometown?
That would be a head scratcher.
If he really doesn't care about basketball and just wants to be in LA then cool. If the Lakers already have Kawhi and LeBron, what role is there for George? He'd be the 3rd option.
He could go to Philly and make a huge difference for them. Also, with LeBron out of the conference he would have a great shot at making the Finals.
In the West, even if the Lakers have Kawhi, Bron, and PG, they'd be one of three superteams out there.
Philly makes a lot more sense for PG from a basketball standpoint. I guess it depends how much he just wants a fun LA lifestyle and doesn't care if he's the 3rd option with a lower chance of actually making the Finals.
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Expect the the Sixers, Celtics, Lakers and Clippers to be the main four teams pursuing Kawhi Leonard, per sources. Teams with top picks could always jump into the sweepstakes, but the risk would be significant considering Leonard has just one more season left on his contract.
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I still think George will end up in Philly.
Lakers will need to trade Lonzo because that's a circus you don't need when you're contending.
I'd be interested to see if they can get Portland to consider trading Dame for Lonzo+Kuzma.
I am pretty surprised by this take. George says he wants to go to LA years ago, they actually get good and will have a max slot and he moves the furthest possible spot from his hometown?
That would be a head scratcher.
If he really doesn't care about basketball and just wants to be in LA then cool. If the Lakers already have Kawhi and LeBron, what role is there for George? He'd be the 3rd option.
He could go to Philly and make a huge difference for them. Also, with LeBron out of the conference he would have a great shot at making the Finals.
In the West, even if the Lakers have Kawhi, Bron, and PG, they'd be one of three superteams out there.
Philly makes a lot more sense for PG from a basketball standpoint. I guess it depends how much he just wants a fun LA lifestyle and doesn't care if he's the 3rd option with a lower chance of actually making the Finals.
Why would George be the third option? I think he would be the second option and Leonard would be the third. Also why would George be a better option in Philly? Embiid took 17 shots per 30 minutes last year and Simmons obviously has the ball a ton.
Considering he said he wanted to go LA when they were horrible and didn't have any contract space, it obviously is pretty important to him.
Boston, like usual, has the best pieces to deal.
I would prefer not making the deal but if I had to I keep Tatum and deal Brown with the 2019 Kings pick
No, KL's value should go down after their first attempt in February trade deadline. And because of what KL is demanding of his team. Brown/Rozier/LAC pick, get it done if anything.
Leonard wanting out means that SA will take less in a deal, but the price will be high based on how many teams want him. If the Lakers are willing to go all in (and it seems like they are), the only way we get him is by out bidding them. That will take more than Brown, Rozier, and a couple of seconds (which that pick will likely turn into)
Brown and the Kings Pick would probably just be the start
The Lakers are almost certainly going to try to attach Luol Deng’s terrible contract to a deal. That greatly lowers the value of what they can offer, as taking on the contract hampers the Spurs financial flexibility for multiple seasons..
Also, the Clippers pick only turns into one 2nd. Sad.
If we get Kawhi, what are the chances he'll resign..? I'm afraid both Kyrie and Kawhi would leave, and we would be screwed.
If we get Kawhi, what are the chances he'll resign..? I'm afraid both Kyrie and Kawhi would leave, and we would be screwed.0% chance he resigns (unless the injury is worse than we thought ;D
As for him and Kyrie resigning, I think a big 4 of Kawhi/Kyrie/Hayward/Horford would be enough to get them to stay. Winning is a powerful aphrodisiac, and if the Lakers don't get Lebron they become a lot less attractive (or they could get Lebron and George but then have no cap space next summer, making it not an option)
A bigger market doesn't help much if you're on a perennial loser
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According to @sam_amick, the #Celtics “are expected to make a strong push” for Kawhi Leonard.
If we get Kawhi, what are the chances he'll resign..? I'm afraid both Kyrie and Kawhi would leave, and we would be screwed.0% chance he resigns (unless the injury is worse than we thought ;D
As for him and Kyrie resigning, I think a big 4 of Kawhi/Kyrie/Hayward/Horford would be enough to get them to stay. Winning is a powerful aphrodisiac, and if the Lakers don't get Lebron they become a lot less attractive (or they could get Lebron and George but then have no cap space next summer, making it not an option)
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Expect the the Sixers, Celtics, Lakers and Clippers to be the main four teams pursuing Kawhi Leonard, per sources. Teams with top picks could always jump into the sweepstakes, but the risk would be significant considering Leonard has just one more season left on his contract.
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We can dream, but one of his biggest beefs was his shoe contract being small from being in a small market. For selling shoes he is not going to think Boston or Philly has a chance of changing that.
It was reported months ago that Kawhi was upset that lesser players get bigger shoe deals than he does. So, he wants exposure.It has nothing to do with city with Leonard, it is him. He is just a boring quiet player. Sure, he probably gets a bigger deal in NY or LA, but he still won't get as big as he could because of his personality. Westbrook has done just fine in Oklahoma City. James did just fine in Cleveland. etc.
Under those circumstances, LA and NYK make sense, even if I'd argue that winning is the best exposure.
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Fultz is still an elite prospect. Youngest player ever to have a triple double.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
What? That offer isn't even that good...
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Fultz is still an elite prospect. Youngest player ever to have a triple double.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
What? That offer isn't even that good...
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We can dream, but one of his biggest beefs was his shoe contract being small from being in a small market. For selling shoes he is not going to think Boston or Philly has a chance of changing that.
It was reported months ago that Kawhi was upset that lesser players get bigger shoe deals than he does. So, he wants exposure.It has nothing to do with city with Leonard, it is him. He is just a boring quiet player. Sure, he probably gets a bigger deal in NY or LA, but he still won't get as big as he could because of his personality. Westbrook has done just fine in Oklahoma City. James did just fine in Cleveland. etc.
Under those circumstances, LA and NYK make sense, even if I'd argue that winning is the best exposure.
If Danny gives up anything significant for him, he has to be ultra confident in resigning him. You can't give up Jaylen Brown for a one year rental of anyone. Risk seems too great, IMO.
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
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We can dream, but one of his biggest beefs was his shoe contract being small from being in a small market. For selling shoes he is not going to think Boston or Philly has a chance of changing that.
Fultz is still an elite prospect. Youngest player ever to have a triple double.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
What? That offer isn't even that good...
The whole saga is a reminder of why I, an NBA fan since the mid-80s, find this league hard to enjoy these days.
You can do everything right as a franchise and still come up short. The Lakers have been one of the worst-run teams in the league for years, they've been awful at managing the cap, have a huge amount of dead money on their cap. So what? Three of the right guys decide they like the idea of living in Southern California, and voila! All that is forgotten. Doesn't matter.
I thought the league was kind of moving past this, but I guess not. Remember when Lamarcus Aldridge had a free agent meeting with the Lakers and they pitched him on marketing and endorsements and stuff, and hardly anything about basketball? He chose the Spurs instead, the best-run organization in the NBA. Basically the most glamorous places -- LA and NY -- have struck out in free agency in recent years, and most people interpreted it as "guys are prioritizing winning and well-run franchises". Well, maybe we got ahead of ourselves.
What we've got here is a cycle where the teams show no loyalty to the players, and the players show no loyalty to the teams. If you were Kyrie Irving and you'd just seen Isaiah Thomas summarily dumped by the team he carried to the ECF on the weight of a bum hip, wouldn't you be a little cautious?
The way out of this mess is to shift your priorities to draft picks and guys on rookie deals. The only way you can guarantee that an elite player will stay with your club in the long-run is to sign him as a rookie and max him out when he becomes a restricted free agency 5 years later. Something to think about before we trade away Jaylen or, God forbid, Tatum.
If Danny gives up anything significant for him, he has to be ultra confident in resigning him. You can't give up Jaylen Brown for a one year rental of anyone. Risk seems too great, IMO.
If Danny gives up anything significant for him, he has to be ultra confident in resigning him. You can't give up Jaylen Brown for a one year rental of anyone. Risk seems too great, IMO.
Don't think you can give up Brown, picks unless you know for sure Leonard resigns in Boston...too much risk
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen? That's intriguing.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen? That's intriguing.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
Kyrie for Kawhi. Brown for Fultz. Send it in.
The most logical thing I can come up with is, is the house cleaning deal:
Brown $5,169,960
Morris $5,375,000
Yabusele $2,667,600
Nader $1,378,242
Ojeyele $1,378,242
#27 pick $1,186,300 x 120% =
SAC/19
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x 125% + 100k
= $21,840,755
Kawhi $20,099,188
#18 pick $1,469,800
--
= $21,568,988
So then we roll with the "Big 5" of Irving, Hayward, Tatum, Kawhi and Horford.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen? That's intriguing.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
Kyrie for Kawhi. Brown for Fultz. Send it in.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen? That's intriguing.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
Kyrie for Kawhi. Brown for Fultz. Send it in.
How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?
It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
The most logical thing I can come up with is, is the house cleaning deal:
Brown $5,169,960
Morris $5,375,000
Yabusele $2,667,600
Nader $1,378,242
Ojeyele $1,378,242
#27 pick $1,186,300 x 120% =
SAC/19
--
x 125% + 100k
= $21,840,755
Kawhi $20,099,188
#18 pick $1,469,800
--
= $21,568,988
So then we roll with the "Big 5" of Irving, Hayward, Tatum, Kawhi and Horford.
The future salary cap if we max out both Kawhi and Irving would be crazy, but it's possible that Horford would opt-out and do something somewhat team friendly over 3-4 years and get us to something like this is 2019-2020
Hayward, Irving, Kawhi: $100M
Horford, Tatum: $30M
luxury tax line: ~$130M
So basically we'd be paying our Big 5 alone the luxury tax line for a couple of years, then we'd have to think about letting Hayward walk to sign Tatum. Something like that.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen? That's intriguing.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
Kyrie for Kawhi. Brown for Fultz. Send it in.
Dude, I mean come on... I like Fultz, but you're really pushing the, "I'm a 76ers fanboy," narrative all around again lol.
19 year old Fult per-36: 14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 stealsOOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen? That's intriguing.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
Kyrie for Kawhi. Brown for Fultz. Send it in.
How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?
It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
Brown is a thousand times more valuable then current edition of Fultz plus 10th pick and Covington-
Fultz might have had one of the statistically worst first year, first round draft choices since that Cavs fellow and that tall injury machine from 2007. Is he top 10 worst of all time for first year, first round picks? He is a prospect now and nothing to warrant that as elite right now. I just dont see how it is even close to compare Brown trade with one headed up by the blind shooter.
I want to keep Brown and Tatum together anyway——I also want to keep Fultz in Philly and Lebron on West Coast. with Leonard.
19 year old Fult per-36: 14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 stealsOOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen? That's intriguing.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
Kyrie for Kawhi. Brown for Fultz. Send it in.
How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?
It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Brown per-36: 0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals
Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.
How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable?
How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?
I'm a fan of Brown. Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star. Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him.
Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point. Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries. If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.
I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3. I was totally on board with trading down. I trust Ainge. Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.19 year old Fult per-36: 14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 stealsOOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen? That's intriguing.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
Kyrie for Kawhi. Brown for Fultz. Send it in.
How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?
It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Brown per-36: 0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals
Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.
How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable?
How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?
I'm a fan of Brown. Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star. Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him.
Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point. Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries. If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.
Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.
Pop should trade Kawhi to Sacramento just to be petty
19 year old Fult per-36: 14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 stealsOOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen? That's intriguing.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
Kyrie for Kawhi. Brown for Fultz. Send it in.
How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?
It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Brown per-36: 0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals
Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.
How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable?
How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?
I'm a fan of Brown. Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star. Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him.
Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point. Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries. If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.
I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3. I was totally on board with trading down. I trust Ainge. Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.19 year old Fult per-36: 14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 stealsOOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen? That's intriguing.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
Kyrie for Kawhi. Brown for Fultz. Send it in.
How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?
It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Brown per-36: 0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals
Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.
How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable?
How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?
I'm a fan of Brown. Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star. Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him.
Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point. Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries. If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.
Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.
His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem. He's still an elite prospect.
I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3. I was totally on board with trading down. I trust Ainge. Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.19 year old Fult per-36: 14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 stealsOOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen? That's intriguing.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
Kyrie for Kawhi. Brown for Fultz. Send it in.
How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?
It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Brown per-36: 0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals
Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.
How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable?
How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?
I'm a fan of Brown. Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star. Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him.
Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point. Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries. If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.
Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.
His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem. He's still an elite prospect.
What does my comment have to do with the above? My point is Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. Ask any GM who they would take.... A PG/SG combo guard that lacks a shot in today's NBA is like bringing in Roy Hibbert in today's NBA.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen? That's intriguing.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
Kyrie for Kawhi. Brown for Fultz. Send it in.
Dude, I mean come on... I like Fultz, but you're really pushing the, "I'm a 76ers fanboy," narrative all around again lol.
I think he is being sarcastic, or I'm missing something.
I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3. I was totally on board with trading down. I trust Ainge. Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.19 year old Fult per-36: 14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 stealsOOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen? That's intriguing.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
Kyrie for Kawhi. Brown for Fultz. Send it in.
How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?
It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Brown per-36: 0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals
Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.
How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable?
How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?
I'm a fan of Brown. Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star. Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him.
Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point. Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries. If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.
Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.
His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem. He's still an elite prospect.
What does my comment have to do with the above? My point is Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. Ask any GM who they would take.... A PG/SG combo guard that lacks a shot in today's NBA is like bringing in Roy Hibbert in today's NBA.
Who's Roy Hibbert?
I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3. I was totally on board with trading down. I trust Ainge. Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.19 year old Fult per-36: 14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 stealsOOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen? That's intriguing.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
Kyrie for Kawhi. Brown for Fultz. Send it in.
How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?
It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Brown per-36: 0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals
Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.
How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable?
How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?
I'm a fan of Brown. Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star. Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him.
Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point. Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries. If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.
Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.
His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem. He's still an elite prospect.
What does my comment have to do with the above? My point is Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. Ask any GM who they would take.... A PG/SG combo guard that lacks a shot in today's NBA is like bringing in Roy Hibbert in today's NBA.
Who's Roy Hibbert?
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Fultz is still an elite prospect. Youngest player ever to have a triple double.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
What? That offer isn't even that good...
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Expect the the Sixers, Celtics, Lakers and Clippers to be the main four teams pursuing Kawhi Leonard, per sources. Teams with top picks could always jump into the sweepstakes, but the risk would be significant considering Leonard has just one more season left on his contract.
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We can dream, but one of his biggest beefs was his shoe contract being small from being in a small market. For selling shoes he is not going to think Boston or Philly has a chance of changing that.
The whole saga is a reminder of why I, an NBA fan since the mid-80s, find this league hard to enjoy these days.
You can do everything right as a franchise and still come up short. The Lakers have been one of the worst-run teams in the league for years, they've been awful at managing the cap, have a huge amount of dead money on their cap. So what? Three of the right guys decide they like the idea of living in Southern California, and voila! All that is forgotten. Doesn't matter.
I thought the league was kind of moving past this, but I guess not. Remember when Lamarcus Aldridge had a free agent meeting with the Lakers and they pitched him on marketing and endorsements and stuff, and hardly anything about basketball? He chose the Spurs instead, the best-run organization in the NBA. Basically the most glamorous places -- LA and NY -- have struck out in free agency in recent years, and most people interpreted it as "guys are prioritizing winning and well-run franchises". Well, maybe we got ahead of ourselves.
What we've got here is a cycle where the teams show no loyalty to the players, and the players show no loyalty to the teams. If you were Kyrie Irving and you'd just seen Isaiah Thomas summarily dumped by the team he carried to the ECF on the weight of a bum hip, wouldn't you be a little cautious?
The way out of this mess is to shift your priorities to draft picks and guys on rookie deals. The only way you can guarantee that an elite player will stay with your club in the long-run is to sign him as a rookie and max him out when he becomes a restricted free agency 5 years later. Something to think about before we trade away Jaylen or, God forbid, Tatum.
I'm not sure Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. I get why you could make that conclusion, though. Clearly, 21 year old Brown played better than 19 year old Fultz. But I can't confidently say 23 year old Brown will be better than 23 year old Fultz.I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3. I was totally on board with trading down. I trust Ainge. Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.19 year old Fult per-36: 14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 stealsOOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen? That's intriguing.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
Kyrie for Kawhi. Brown for Fultz. Send it in.
How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?
It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Brown per-36: 0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals
Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.
How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable?
How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?
I'm a fan of Brown. Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star. Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him.
Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point. Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries. If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.
Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.
His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem. He's still an elite prospect.
What does my comment have to do with the above? My point is Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. Ask any GM who they would take.... A PG/SG combo guard that lacks a shot in today's NBA is like bringing in Roy Hibbert in today's NBA.
I'm not sure Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. I get why you could make that conclusion, though. Clearly, 21 year old Brown played better than 19 year old Fultz. But I can't confidently say 23 year old Brown will be better than 23 year old Fultz.I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3. I was totally on board with trading down. I trust Ainge. Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.19 year old Fult per-36: 14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 stealsOOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen? That's intriguing.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
Kyrie for Kawhi. Brown for Fultz. Send it in.
How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?
It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Brown per-36: 0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals
Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.
How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable?
How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?
I'm a fan of Brown. Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star. Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him.
Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point. Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries. If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.
Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.
His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem. He's still an elite prospect.
What does my comment have to do with the above? My point is Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. Ask any GM who they would take.... A PG/SG combo guard that lacks a shot in today's NBA is like bringing in Roy Hibbert in today's NBA.
Weren't you one of the ones complaining about all the Sixers hype at the end of the season? Imagine the hype if Kawhi goes there. The Sixers finished 3rd in NBA merchandise sales last season behind GSW and the Cavs. Kawhi wouldn't have any problem getting a top shoe deal.It was reported months ago that Kawhi was upset that lesser players get bigger shoe deals than he does. So, he wants exposure.It has nothing to do with city with Leonard, it is him. He is just a boring quiet player. Sure, he probably gets a bigger deal in NY or LA, but he still won't get as big as he could because of his personality. Westbrook has done just fine in Oklahoma City. James did just fine in Cleveland. etc.
Under those circumstances, LA and NYK make sense, even if I'd argue that winning is the best exposure.
It doesn't matter if it is actually true, it matters if Leonard thinks it is true. And it really seems like he does.
During the 2017 playoffs Brown was 20 yeard old, same age as Fultz was during the 2018 playoffs. So let's compare numbers19 year old Fult per-36: 14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 stealsOOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen? That's intriguing.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
Kyrie for Kawhi. Brown for Fultz. Send it in.
How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?
It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Brown per-36: 0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals
Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.
How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable?
How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?
I'm a fan of Brown. Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star. Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him.
Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point. Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries. If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.
So I leave for an hour and come back thinking there's good discussion going on.
Nope.
I see LarBrd throwing his Philly pride around here ::) :P
You know if this was the other way around (switched teams, same player) LarBrd would be praising Jaylen and calling Fultz a bust :P
Also Fultz + 10 + Covington is definitely beatable. Fultz can be a piece but there's no way RIGHT NOW he can be a primary piece in a trade for a star.
Similarly, if we were talking about Okafor after his rookie season (in which he averaged 17 points, 7 rebounds, and 2 blocks) or Noel after his rookie season (in which he averaged 2 steals and 2 blocks), they would both have made for valuable centerpieces in a trade for Kawhi Leonard.I'm not sure Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. I get why you could make that conclusion, though. Clearly, 21 year old Brown played better than 19 year old Fultz. But I can't confidently say 23 year old Brown will be better than 23 year old Fultz.I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3. I was totally on board with trading down. I trust Ainge. Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.19 year old Fult per-36: 14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 stealsOOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen? That's intriguing.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
Kyrie for Kawhi. Brown for Fultz. Send it in.
How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?
It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Brown per-36: 0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals
Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.
How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable?
How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?
I'm a fan of Brown. Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star. Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him.
Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point. Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries. If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.
Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.
His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem. He's still an elite prospect.
What does my comment have to do with the above? My point is Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. Ask any GM who they would take.... A PG/SG combo guard that lacks a shot in today's NBA is like bringing in Roy Hibbert in today's NBA.
I remember you being really confident in Okafor and Noel too. When it comes to all things Sixers your opinion is only as valuable as your track record.
So I leave for an hour and come back thinking there's good discussion going on.
Nope.
I see LarBrd throwing his Philly pride around here ::) :P
You know if this was the other way around (switched teams, same player) LarBrd would be praising Jaylen and calling Fultz a bust :P
Also Fultz + 10 + Covington is definitely beatable. Fultz can be a piece but there's no way RIGHT NOW he can be a primary piece in a trade for a star.
Exactly right. It's always sunny in Philadelphia.
I feel bad for the guy, he's clearly lost his fastball and is relying on a bunch of off-speed stuff that has no movement. So easy to read now. He's clearly not the same guy he was before his retirement. He probably should've just stayed retired.
Weren't you one of the ones complaining about all the Sixers hype at the end of the season? Imagine the hype if Kawhi goes there. The Sixers finished 3rd in NBA merchandise sales last season behind GSW and the Cavs. Kawhi wouldn't have any problem getting a top shoe deal.It was reported months ago that Kawhi was upset that lesser players get bigger shoe deals than he does. So, he wants exposure.It has nothing to do with city with Leonard, it is him. He is just a boring quiet player. Sure, he probably gets a bigger deal in NY or LA, but he still won't get as big as he could because of his personality. Westbrook has done just fine in Oklahoma City. James did just fine in Cleveland. etc.
Under those circumstances, LA and NYK make sense, even if I'd argue that winning is the best exposure.
It doesn't matter if it is actually true, it matters if Leonard thinks it is true. And it really seems like he does.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23214746/philadelphia-76ers-finish-3rd-nba-merchandise-sales-golden-state-warriors-cleveland-cavaliers
Yeah, you add LeBron to this existing core as-is, and Golden State might still be the favorites. is what it is.So I leave for an hour and come back thinking there's good discussion going on.
Nope.
I see LarBrd throwing his Philly pride around here ::) :P
You know if this was the other way around (switched teams, same player) LarBrd would be praising Jaylen and calling Fultz a bust :P
Also Fultz + 10 + Covington is definitely beatable. Fultz can be a piece but there's no way RIGHT NOW he can be a primary piece in a trade for a star.
Exactly right. It's always sunny in Philadelphia.
I feel bad for the guy, he's clearly lost his fastball and is relying on a bunch of off-speed stuff that has no movement. So easy to read now. He's clearly not the same guy he was before his retirement. He probably should've just stayed retired.
I still can't believe what I read recently from him.
"Healthy Celtics (w/o losing a single asset) + Lebron still not enough to beat Golden State" LOL. But he'd tell you healthy Sixers + Lebron dominates Golden State in 5 or 6.
Anyways, I think the Clippers could actually make a good push. #12 + #13 + Harris + Beverley is a pretty good offer overall IMO.
Yeah, you add LeBron to this existing core as-is, and Golden State might still be the favorites. is what it is.So I leave for an hour and come back thinking there's good discussion going on.
Nope.
I see LarBrd throwing his Philly pride around here ::) :P
You know if this was the other way around (switched teams, same player) LarBrd would be praising Jaylen and calling Fultz a bust :P
Also Fultz + 10 + Covington is definitely beatable. Fultz can be a piece but there's no way RIGHT NOW he can be a primary piece in a trade for a star.
Exactly right. It's always sunny in Philadelphia.
I feel bad for the guy, he's clearly lost his fastball and is relying on a bunch of off-speed stuff that has no movement. So easy to read now. He's clearly not the same guy he was before his retirement. He probably should've just stayed retired.
I still can't believe what I read recently from him.
"Healthy Celtics (w/o losing a single asset) + Lebron still not enough to beat Golden State" LOL. But he'd tell you healthy Sixers + Lebron dominates Golden State in 5 or 6.
Anyways, I think the Clippers could actually make a good push. #12 + #13 + Harris + Beverley is a pretty good offer overall IMO.
Yeah, you add LeBron to this existing core as-is, and Golden State might still be the favorites. is what it is.So I leave for an hour and come back thinking there's good discussion going on.
Nope.
I see LarBrd throwing his Philly pride around here ::) :P
You know if this was the other way around (switched teams, same player) LarBrd would be praising Jaylen and calling Fultz a bust :P
Also Fultz + 10 + Covington is definitely beatable. Fultz can be a piece but there's no way RIGHT NOW he can be a primary piece in a trade for a star.
Exactly right. It's always sunny in Philadelphia.
I feel bad for the guy, he's clearly lost his fastball and is relying on a bunch of off-speed stuff that has no movement. So easy to read now. He's clearly not the same guy he was before his retirement. He probably should've just stayed retired.
I still can't believe what I read recently from him.
"Healthy Celtics (w/o losing a single asset) + Lebron still not enough to beat Golden State" LOL. But he'd tell you healthy Sixers + Lebron dominates Golden State in 5 or 6.
Anyways, I think the Clippers could actually make a good push. #12 + #13 + Harris + Beverley is a pretty good offer overall IMO.
What if Lebron was added to the existing core in Philly?
Also I highly doubt GSW remains the favorites if that hypothetically did happen.
I'm going to use my actual quote, because the ninnies on this forum have a tendency to misquote me:Yeah, you add LeBron to this existing core as-is, and Golden State might still be the favorites. is what it is.So I leave for an hour and come back thinking there's good discussion going on.
Nope.
I see LarBrd throwing his Philly pride around here ::) :P
You know if this was the other way around (switched teams, same player) LarBrd would be praising Jaylen and calling Fultz a bust :P
Also Fultz + 10 + Covington is definitely beatable. Fultz can be a piece but there's no way RIGHT NOW he can be a primary piece in a trade for a star.
Exactly right. It's always sunny in Philadelphia.
I feel bad for the guy, he's clearly lost his fastball and is relying on a bunch of off-speed stuff that has no movement. So easy to read now. He's clearly not the same guy he was before his retirement. He probably should've just stayed retired.
I still can't believe what I read recently from him.
"Healthy Celtics (w/o losing a single asset) + Lebron still not enough to beat Golden State" LOL. But he'd tell you healthy Sixers + Lebron dominates Golden State in 5 or 6.
Anyways, I think the Clippers could actually make a good push. #12 + #13 + Harris + Beverley is a pretty good offer overall IMO.
What if Lebron was added to the existing core in Philly?
I think even if we added LeBron without sacrificing a single asset, the Warriors could still beat us. That's how historically loaded that Warrior team is. Two generational MVP talents. Three of the greatest shooters of all time. It wouldn't be easy.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/993/875/084.png)Because I said it will be hard to beat an offer of Covington + Fultz + #10.
How did a Kawhi Leonard thread become a 76ers thread?
Salary matching is the primary problem here. Easier to do than for Lebron (hypothetically), but still difficult because giving up Jaylen in a package for a rental seems ridiculous.
I think rental Kawhi for rental Harris, rental Beverley and #12 + #13 from LAC makes sense for both the teams (Spurs/Clippers). Clippers would do it b/c they are a bit desperate. And unless LAL throws in BOTH Ingram + Kuzma, I don't see Pop trading him there.
Philly could be an intriguing partner. I think they'd have to add more to Fultz + Covington + #10 though. Fultz right now doesn't have much value as people around here think. Still a solid piece but not a "primary" piece in a trade.
The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.
Pops a pretty smart dude. I can't see him trading Kawhi in conference. For that reason I could see Kawhi headed to Boston or NYK.
We can't "easily" beat any offers, because matching salaries right now is kind of impossible.Salary matching is the primary problem here. Easier to do than for Lebron (hypothetically), but still difficult because giving up Jaylen in a package for a rental seems ridiculous.
I think rental Kawhi for rental Harris, rental Beverley and #12 + #13 from LAC makes sense for both the teams (Spurs/Clippers). Clippers would do it b/c they are a bit desperate. And unless LAL throws in BOTH Ingram + Kuzma, I don't see Pop trading him there.
Philly could be an intriguing partner. I think they'd have to add more to Fultz + Covington + #10 though. Fultz right now doesn't have much value as people around here think. Still a solid piece but not a "primary" piece in a trade.
Celtics would easily beat both offers, it's just contingent on what we're willing to give up.
Pops a pretty smart dude. I can't see him trading Kawhi in conference. For that reason I could see Kawhi headed to Boston or NYK.
Salary matching is the primary problem here. Easier to do than for Lebron (hypothetically), but still difficult because giving up Jaylen in a package for a rental seems ridiculous.
I think rental Kawhi for rental Harris, rental Beverley and #12 + #13 from LAC makes sense for both the teams (Spurs/Clippers). Clippers would do it b/c they are a bit desperate. And unless LAL throws in BOTH Ingram + Kuzma, I don't see Pop trading him there.
Philly could be an intriguing partner. I think they'd have to add more to Fultz + Covington + #10 though. Fultz right now doesn't have much value as people around here think. Still a solid piece but not a "primary" piece in a trade.
Celtics would easily beat both offers, it's just contingent on what we're willing to give up.
The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.
Respectfully, can we also refrain from calling people “ninnies”? That was aimed at me, as a reference to the time when I caught LB making up self-quotes and called him on it. I’m intentionally staying away from T-word, but i don’t see a reason that other insults should be allowed either.
I’m rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers.
It was a reference to people who misquote others on forums.The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.
Respectfully, can we also refrain from calling people “ninnies”? That was aimed at me, as a reference to the time when I caught LB making up self-quotes and called him on it. I’m intentionally staying away from T-word, but i don’t see a reason that other insults should be allowed either.
I’m rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers.
Same. And also I saw "ninnies" in a reply to me and was like, "what does that mean??" ??? :laugh:
Didn't see that salty but you are right. Any name calling will be disciplined.The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.
Respectfully, can we also refrain from calling people “ninnies”? That was aimed at me, as a reference to the time when I caught LB making up self-quotes and called him on it. I’m intentionally staying away from T-word, but i don’t see a reason that other insults should be allowed either.
I’m rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers.
It was a reference to people who misquote others on forums.The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.
Respectfully, can we also refrain from calling people “ninnies”? That was aimed at me, as a reference to the time when I caught LB making up self-quotes and called him on it. I’m intentionally staying away from T-word, but i don’t see a reason that other insults should be allowed either.
I’m rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers.
Same. And also I saw "ninnies" in a reply to me and was like, "what does that mean??" ??? :laugh:
Lakers should offer up both Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma for Kawhi contingent on the Spurs also taking Deng's contract.
Then Lakers should sign LeBron, Paul George and Chris Paul on slight discounts.
Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Brandon Ingram, LeBron James.
Freaky
No worries. It wasn't directed at anyone specific. Just a lot of folks here like to misquote me. Obviously, I'd consider Boston + LeBron (impossible without giving up someone) to be the favorites in the East. My whole point there was that even if such an impossible thing happened, it still wouldn't guarantee a victory over a Warriors team that has 3 of the greatest shooters in NBA history. Because of how this modern game is played, you'd basically have to beat them in a 3-point shootout - which aint easy when they have arguably the two greatest 3-point shooters EVER in addition to Kevin Durant.It was a reference to people who misquote others on forums.The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.
Respectfully, can we also refrain from calling people “ninnies”? That was aimed at me, as a reference to the time when I caught LB making up self-quotes and called him on it. I’m intentionally staying away from T-word, but i don’t see a reason that other insults should be allowed either.
I’m rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers.
Same. And also I saw "ninnies" in a reply to me and was like, "what does that mean??" ??? :laugh:
Ah okay, I honestly had no clue :laugh:
So I leave for an hour and come back thinking there's good discussion going on.
Nope.
I see LarBrd throwing his Philly pride around here ::) :P
You know if this was the other way around (switched teams, same player) LarBrd would be praising Jaylen and calling Fultz a bust :P
Also Fultz + 10 + Covington is definitely beatable. Fultz can be a piece but there's no way RIGHT NOW he can be a primary piece in a trade for a star.
No worries. It wasn't directed at anyone specific. Just a lot of folks here like to misquote me. Obviously, I'd consider Boston + LeBron (impossible without giving up someone) to be the favorites in the East. My whole point there was that even if such an impossible thing happened, it still wouldn't guarantee a victory over a Warriors team that has 3 of the greatest shooters in NBA history. Because of how this modern game is played, you'd basically have to beat them in a 3-point shootout - which aint easy when they have arguably the two greatest 3-point shooters EVER in addition to Kevin Durant.It was a reference to people who misquote others on forums.The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.
Respectfully, can we also refrain from calling people “ninnies”? That was aimed at me, as a reference to the time when I caught LB making up self-quotes and called him on it. I’m intentionally staying away from T-word, but i don’t see a reason that other insults should be allowed either.
I’m rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers.
Same. And also I saw "ninnies" in a reply to me and was like, "what does that mean??" ??? :laugh:
Ah okay, I honestly had no clue :laugh:
Anyways, my 60 day "unretirement" contract ends in a couple weeks. At most, ya'll only have to put up with me until the draft.
FWIW, I'd say the same about Philly. If they added LeBron without giving up anyone, it's still going to be extremely difficult to outshoot the Warriors. If they swap Fultz/Convington for Kawhi and THEN add LeBron, that team is going to be dangerous and probably the East favorites - but Golden State is unprecedented.
Why do GMs honor these 'wish lists' again?
This is sad. Kawhi used to be my favorite player.
Not so much anymore.
I'm not cool with this "I'm gonna sit out the season and demand a trade" thing.
If you're on a dysfunctional team, OK.
You have the best coach and the best franchise in the league. They made you a star.
Get outta here.
Lost all respect for Kawhi Leonard. Hope he rots and never wins another championship cuz clearly Tim Duncan carried him to his first.
That being said, the Lakers are going to be very dangerous for years to come WHEN they land LeBron James, Paul George, and Kawhi Leonard. They'll destroy Golden State and Houston.
James, Leonard and Paul George have been the Lakers goal for several years. They dumped a ton of salary to the Cavs and will let Randle walk or use him in a S and T to clear more.
What do they give up to get Leonard is the big question. I think James and George already have deals with the Lakers in place.
The team screwed is Philly. Going to add nobody of any importance to that roster.
Bellinelli and Ilyasova disagree. ;D
Man, if the Lakers get all three of those guys ...
Must be nice to be a destination so many players want to go to, and to not really have to plan rebuilds because you know that, like, every few years two or three big-name players are gonna want to join you just because of your location.
Ahhh don't you guys hate it that whenever the Celtics become exceptionally good, the Lakers suddenly become godlier by adding in three superstars all in one summer. ::)
Yeah nothing ever changes. C's hard working franchise to get to the top and Fakers just plop stars on the table like it's nothing. I think we about to see the rivalry reborn again. [dang] that team will be good though ugh
It was reported months ago that Kawhi was upset that lesser players get bigger shoe deals than he does. So, he wants exposure.
Under those circumstances, LA and NYK make sense, even if I'd argue that winning is the best exposure.
On why the Spurs would do it...Lakers should offer up both Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma for Kawhi contingent on the Spurs also taking Deng's contract.
Then Lakers should sign LeBron, Paul George and Chris Paul on slight discounts.
Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Brandon Ingram, LeBron James.
Freaky
Why would the Spurs ever do that?
Spurs wouldn't blink unless Lakers offer Ingram and Kuzma as a starting point.
Pops a pretty smart dude. I can't see him trading Kawhi in conference. For that reason I could see Kawhi headed to Boston or NYK.
On why the Spurs would do it...Lakers should offer up both Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma for Kawhi contingent on the Spurs also taking Deng's contract.
Then Lakers should sign LeBron, Paul George and Chris Paul on slight discounts.
Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Brandon Ingram, LeBron James.
Freaky
Why would the Spurs ever do that?
Spurs wouldn't blink unless Lakers offer Ingram and Kuzma as a starting point.
If they decide they need to trade Kawhi, you can do a lot worse than adding Lonzo Ball (an elite prospect) and Kyle Kuzma. You might be right that adding the Deng contract would be too much to swallow.
What if the Lakers were willing to give up both Ball, Ingram and Kuzma in addition to the Deng contract. Just clear the whole deck, add Kawhi, and then use the cap space to sign everyone on massive paycuts (Chris Paul, LeBron, Paul George, Boogie Cousins). Lol
On why the Spurs would do it...Lakers should offer up both Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma for Kawhi contingent on the Spurs also taking Deng's contract.
Then Lakers should sign LeBron, Paul George and Chris Paul on slight discounts.
Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Brandon Ingram, LeBron James.
Freaky
Why would the Spurs ever do that?
Spurs wouldn't blink unless Lakers offer Ingram and Kuzma as a starting point.
If they decide they need to trade Kawhi, you can do a lot worse than adding Lonzo Ball (an elite prospect) and Kyle Kuzma. You might be right that adding the Deng contract would be too much to swallow.
What if the Lakers were willing to give up both Ball, Ingram and Kuzma in addition to the Deng contract. Just clear the whole deck, add Kawhi, and then use the cap space to sign everyone on massive paycuts (Chris Paul, LeBron, Paul George, Boogie Cousins). Lol
On why the Spurs would do it...Lakers should offer up both Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma for Kawhi contingent on the Spurs also taking Deng's contract.
Then Lakers should sign LeBron, Paul George and Chris Paul on slight discounts.
Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Brandon Ingram, LeBron James.
Freaky
Why would the Spurs ever do that?
Spurs wouldn't blink unless Lakers offer Ingram and Kuzma as a starting point.
If they decide they need to trade Kawhi, you can do a lot worse than adding Lonzo Ball (an elite prospect) and Kyle Kuzma. You might be right that adding the Deng contract would be too much to swallow.
What if the Lakers were willing to give up both Ball, Ingram and Kuzma in addition to the Deng contract. Just clear the whole deck, add Kawhi, and then use the cap space to sign everyone on massive paycuts (Chris Paul, LeBron, Paul George, Boogie Cousins). Lol
.On why the Spurs would do it...Lakers should offer up both Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma for Kawhi contingent on the Spurs also taking Deng's contract.
Then Lakers should sign LeBron, Paul George and Chris Paul on slight discounts.
Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Brandon Ingram, LeBron James.
Freaky
Why would the Spurs ever do that?
Spurs wouldn't blink unless Lakers offer Ingram and Kuzma as a starting point.
If they decide they need to trade Kawhi, you can do a lot worse than adding Lonzo Ball (an elite prospect) and Kyle Kuzma. You might be right that adding the Deng contract would be too much to swallow.
What if the Lakers were willing to give up both Ball, Ingram and Kuzma in addition to the Deng contract. Just clear the whole deck, add Kawhi, and then use the cap space to sign everyone on massive paycuts (Chris Paul, LeBron, Paul George, Boogie Cousins). Lol
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you :PMultiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series. I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers. I think it worked out. Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers. I have no intention of staying long-term. The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot. I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you :PMultiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series. I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers. I think it worked out. Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers. I have no intention of staying long-term. The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot. I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)
On the topic of Kawhi... I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play. What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington? Those seem like the two most likely destinations.
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you :PMultiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series. I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers. I think it worked out. Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers. I have no intention of staying long-term. The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot. I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)
On the topic of Kawhi... I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play. What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington? Those seem like the two most likely destinations.
Nah trust me I think it's the other way around :laugh:
The trio is well in play but the offer HAS to be Ingram + Kuzma + Another asset NOT named Ball. I don't think Pop wants to deal with Ball and his family to be honest. But even if Pop is fine taking back Lonzo, it still HAS to include Kuzma and Ingram, but that beats PHI's offer.
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you :PMultiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series. I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers. I think it worked out. Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers. I have no intention of staying long-term. The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot. I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)
On the topic of Kawhi... I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play. What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington? Those seem like the two most likely destinations.
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you :PMultiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series. I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers. I think it worked out. Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers. I have no intention of staying long-term. The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot. I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)
On the topic of Kawhi... I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play. What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington? Those seem like the two most likely destinations.
Nah trust me I think it's the other way around :laugh:
The trio is well in play but the offer HAS to be Ingram + Kuzma + Another asset NOT named Ball. I don't think Pop wants to deal with Ball and his family to be honest. But even if Pop is fine taking back Lonzo, it still HAS to include Kuzma and Ingram, but that beats PHI's offer.
A bag of balls and cash beats that Philadelphia offer. Leonard isn’t going to Philadelphia.
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you :PMultiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series. I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers. I think it worked out. Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers. I have no intention of staying long-term. The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot. I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)
On the topic of Kawhi... I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play. What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington? Those seem like the two most likely destinations.
Yeah obviously Ingram is the most desirable. He's likely a better prospect than all the guys we're talking about (Fultz, Ball, Brown).On why the Spurs would do it...Lakers should offer up both Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma for Kawhi contingent on the Spurs also taking Deng's contract.
Then Lakers should sign LeBron, Paul George and Chris Paul on slight discounts.
Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Brandon Ingram, LeBron James.
Freaky
Why would the Spurs ever do that?
Spurs wouldn't blink unless Lakers offer Ingram and Kuzma as a starting point.
If they decide they need to trade Kawhi, you can do a lot worse than adding Lonzo Ball (an elite prospect) and Kyle Kuzma. You might be right that adding the Deng contract would be too much to swallow.
What if the Lakers were willing to give up both Ball, Ingram and Kuzma in addition to the Deng contract. Just clear the whole deck, add Kawhi, and then use the cap space to sign everyone on massive paycuts (Chris Paul, LeBron, Paul George, Boogie Cousins). Lol
You are clueless. Ball and Kuzma? No Ingram no talk.
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you :PMultiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series. I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers. I think it worked out. Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers. I have no intention of staying long-term. The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot. I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)
On the topic of Kawhi... I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play. What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington? Those seem like the two most likely destinations.
Nah trust me I think it's the other way around :laugh:
The trio is well in play but the offer HAS to be Ingram + Kuzma + Another asset NOT named Ball. I don't think Pop wants to deal with Ball and his family to be honest. But even if Pop is fine taking back Lonzo, it still HAS to include Kuzma and Ingram, but that beats PHI's offer.
A bag of balls and cash beats that Philadelphia offer. Leonard isn’t going to Philadelphia.
Putting the entire Ball family in a bag and shipping them to SAS? Rude... :P
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you :PMultiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series. I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers. I think it worked out. Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers. I have no intention of staying long-term. The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot. I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)
On the topic of Kawhi... I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play. What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington? Those seem like the two most likely destinations.
Nah trust me I think it's the other way around :laugh:
The trio is well in play but the offer HAS to be Ingram + Kuzma + Another asset NOT named Ball. I don't think Pop wants to deal with Ball and his family to be honest. But even if Pop is fine taking back Lonzo, it still HAS to include Kuzma and Ingram, but that beats PHI's offer.
A bag of balls and cash beats that Philadelphia offer. Leonard isn’t going to Philadelphia.
Putting the entire Ball family in a bag and shipping them to SAS? Rude... :P
That would be rude to Pop. He doesn’t deserve that
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you :PMultiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series. I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers. I think it worked out. Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers. I have no intention of staying long-term. The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot. I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)
On the topic of Kawhi... I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play. What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington? Those seem like the two most likely destinations.
I'm at peace with that.And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you :PMultiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series. I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers. I think it worked out. Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers. I have no intention of staying long-term. The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot. I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)
On the topic of Kawhi... I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play. What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington? Those seem like the two most likely destinations.
60 days ends June 28th according to your link that shows it started April 29th. Looks like you’ll have to miss out on free agency. (Don’t worry, the servers won’t work from June 30th to LeDecision III, so you won’t miss much).
Monkhouse,
I have spent the past year praising Tatum. He's a legit superstar prospect. Best rookie we've had since Bird. I give our guys props when they deserve him. Tatum's in a class alone right now, though.
I just realized... trade for Kawhi... lose him in a year to Lakers.... YUCK
How is this different from the George saga last year??
:(
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you :PMultiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series. I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers. I think it worked out. Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers. I have no intention of staying long-term. The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot. I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)
On the topic of Kawhi... I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play. What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington? Those seem like the two most likely destinations.
I still think George will end up in Philly.
Lakers will need to trade Lonzo because that's a circus you don't need when you're contending.
I'd be interested to see if they can get Portland to consider trading Dame for Lonzo+Kuzma.
I am pretty surprised by this take. George says he wants to go to LA years ago, they actually get good and will have a max slot and he moves the furthest possible spot from his hometown?
That would be a head scratcher.
If he really doesn't care about basketball and just wants to be in LA then cool. If the Lakers already have Kawhi and LeBron, what role is there for George? He'd be the 3rd option.
He could go to Philly and make a huge difference for them. Also, with LeBron out of the conference he would have a great shot at making the Finals.
In the West, even if the Lakers have Kawhi, Bron, and PG, they'd be one of three superteams out there.
Philly makes a lot more sense for PG from a basketball standpoint. I guess it depends how much he just wants a fun LA lifestyle and doesn't care if he's the 3rd option with a lower chance of actually making the Finals.
Why would George be the third option? I think he would be the second option and Leonard would be the third. Also why would George be a better option in Philly? Embiid took 17 shots per 30 minutes last year and Simmons obviously has the ball a ton.
Considering he said he wanted to go LA when they were horrible and didn't have any contract space, it obviously is pretty important to him.
You may be right about his priorities.
As for the third option thing, to me he's less talented offensively than LeBron (obviously) or Kawhi. Both of those guys have shown an ability to carry a team offensively individually. George has not.
In Philly, I think George would be ahead of Ben Simmons in the offensive hierarchy, and it would depend on the matchup as to whether he or Embiid got more shots. Simmons would be a facilitator, especially in the halfcourt.
It was reported months ago that Kawhi was upset that lesser players get bigger shoe deals than he does. So, he wants exposure.It has nothing to do with city with Leonard, it is him. He is just a boring quiet player. Sure, he probably gets a bigger deal in NY or LA, but he still won't get as big as he could because of his personality. Westbrook has done just fine in Oklahoma City. James did just fine in Cleveland. etc.
Under those circumstances, LA and NYK make sense, even if I'd argue that winning is the best exposure.
Unbelievable, and yet Leonard hasn't talked to Pops yet.
Ugh.
I hate how the Lakers can just get anyone they want..
We'll see, but if they end up with LeBron, George, and Leonard... That's a very scary team that can definitely give GSW up to 7 games. Real question is how will their team look like?
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
Rody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago. Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy. People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden. I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly. Got labelled a Celtic hater, a Sixer fan, etc. The consensus from the fans here was that they wouldn't give up a 2nd round pick for Embiid. I decided to hold my ground on Sixer island and it finally paid off this year when they had only their second 50+ win season in the past 30+ years. Given that I had been CelticsBlog's Sixer foil for a couple years, it was only fitting that I be a part of the first (of probably many) Celtic vs Sixer playoff series. Boston pulled it off. People had a laugh at my expense. I plan to crawl back in my hole in a couple weeks.And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you :PMultiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series. I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers. I think it worked out. Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers. I have no intention of staying long-term. The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot. I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)
On the topic of Kawhi... I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play. What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington? Those seem like the two most likely destinations.
I think the culture is pretty good and you're entitled to your opinion too. But why is it necessary to write down: ''I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers'', seems like a way to trigger a reaction, since you know (you obviously have been reading the forums) a group of posters was annoyed that the media saw the Sixers as favourites.
Couldn't you just have written: ''I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Bostonimprobablygetting by theheavilyfavorited Sixers''? You'd still express the same opinion, but in a less provoking way.
"Are cometh", really? :DThe NBA "coincidences" are quite funny. This is the first domino to fall this summer. All these guys talk to each other. The back channels have been working long before today.
https://twitter.com/andrewbogut/status/1006433196475469825
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I know that the latter would have to agree to opt into the final year of his deal, but think about this possible starting lineup -
C - Marc Gasol
PF - JaMychal Green
SF - Kawhi Leonard
SG - Honestly not sure on this one. Perhaps they could go after Danny Green if they're unsure about Wayne Selden's knee, for example.
PG - Mike Conley
And he reportedly wants to go to LA??From Boston's standpoint, it wouldn't be too terrible for a superteam to form in Los Angeles.
YES!!!!
Let the rivalry renew once again!!
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Let Lebron James (and PG13) go there, too!
I "LOVE" this.
LeBron will set the travel arrangements for this coming together.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/9ecf86208945beb049af8241faf49c58/tenor.gif?itemid=3530415)
And he reportedly wants to go to LA??From Boston's standpoint, it wouldn't be too terrible for a superteam to form in Los Angeles.
YES!!!!
Let the rivalry renew once again!!
(https://pm1.narvii.com/6066/72c60515082519f9e132221f09d61e4881b2c499_hq.jpg)
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/7de6550c877ea9be520c5ccc6d129a75b2a0370d/c=511-0-4701-3150&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2017/02/03/USATODAY/USATODAY/636217150723042918-C03-MATCHUPBIRDMAGIC-03-20729883-1-.JPG)
Let Lebron James (and PG13) go there, too!
I "LOVE" this.
LeBron will set the travel arrangements for this coming together.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/9ecf86208945beb049af8241faf49c58/tenor.gif?itemid=3530415)
That clears a path for Boston to get to the ECF... or at least clears the Bron roadblock. Sixers and Raptors are still threats.
And whether it's the stacked Laker superteam with Bron, Kawhi and George - or the stacked Warriors superteam - either way we'd probably be the underdogs if we made it to the Finals so any potential victory would be extra sweet.
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you :PMultiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series. I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers. I think it worked out. Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers. I have no intention of staying long-term. The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot. I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)
On the topic of Kawhi... I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play. What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington? Those seem like the two most likely destinations.
And he reportedly wants to go to LA??From Boston's standpoint, it wouldn't be too terrible for a superteam to form in Los Angeles.
YES!!!!
Let the rivalry renew once again!!
(https://pm1.narvii.com/6066/72c60515082519f9e132221f09d61e4881b2c499_hq.jpg)
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/7de6550c877ea9be520c5ccc6d129a75b2a0370d/c=511-0-4701-3150&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2017/02/03/USATODAY/USATODAY/636217150723042918-C03-MATCHUPBIRDMAGIC-03-20729883-1-.JPG)
Let Lebron James (and PG13) go there, too!
I "LOVE" this.
LeBron will set the travel arrangements for this coming together.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/9ecf86208945beb049af8241faf49c58/tenor.gif?itemid=3530415)
That clears a path for Boston to get to the ECF... or at least clears the Bron roadblock. Sixers and Raptors are still threats.
And whether it's the stacked Laker superteam with Bron, Kawhi and George - or the stacked Warriors superteam - either way we'd probably be the underdogs if we made it to the Finals so any potential victory would be extra sweet.
I didn't want to name names, but I can confirm celticsclay is one of my burner accounts who asked me to come back.And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you :PMultiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series. I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers. I think it worked out. Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers. I have no intention of staying long-term. The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot. I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)
On the topic of Kawhi... I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play. What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington? Those seem like the two most likely destinations.
I wanted him back. He's made me a better person and helped me get sober. I wish others appreciated him more.
Yeah obviously Ingram is the most desirable. He's likely a better prospect than all the guys we're talking about (Fultz, Ball, Brown).On why the Spurs would do it...Lakers should offer up both Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma for Kawhi contingent on the Spurs also taking Deng's contract.
Then Lakers should sign LeBron, Paul George and Chris Paul on slight discounts.
Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Brandon Ingram, LeBron James.
Freaky
Why would the Spurs ever do that?
Spurs wouldn't blink unless Lakers offer Ingram and Kuzma as a starting point.
If they decide they need to trade Kawhi, you can do a lot worse than adding Lonzo Ball (an elite prospect) and Kyle Kuzma. You might be right that adding the Deng contract would be too much to swallow.
What if the Lakers were willing to give up both Ball, Ingram and Kuzma in addition to the Deng contract. Just clear the whole deck, add Kawhi, and then use the cap space to sign everyone on massive paycuts (Chris Paul, LeBron, Paul George, Boogie Cousins). Lol
You are clueless. Ball and Kuzma? No Ingram no talk.
I do think people are giving up on Fultz and Ball too early, though. Fultz is still a big unknown, obviously. In Ball's case, he shot like crap but he actually put up really solid numbers for a rookie point guard. Whether that means he's the next Michael Carter Williams or a legit future star remains to be seen. Even with the drama, I see Ball as a valuable trade piece.
Bron has dominated the Raptors, but we haven't really seen how Boston stacks up against them. They are still a dangerous team.And he reportedly wants to go to LA??From Boston's standpoint, it wouldn't be too terrible for a superteam to form in Los Angeles.
YES!!!!
Let the rivalry renew once again!!
(https://pm1.narvii.com/6066/72c60515082519f9e132221f09d61e4881b2c499_hq.jpg)
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/7de6550c877ea9be520c5ccc6d129a75b2a0370d/c=511-0-4701-3150&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2017/02/03/USATODAY/USATODAY/636217150723042918-C03-MATCHUPBIRDMAGIC-03-20729883-1-.JPG)
Let Lebron James (and PG13) go there, too!
I "LOVE" this.
LeBron will set the travel arrangements for this coming together.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/9ecf86208945beb049af8241faf49c58/tenor.gif?itemid=3530415)
That clears a path for Boston to get to the ECF... or at least clears the Bron roadblock. Sixers and Raptors are still threats.
And whether it's the stacked Laker superteam with Bron, Kawhi and George - or the stacked Warriors superteam - either way we'd probably be the underdogs if we made it to the Finals so any potential victory would be extra sweet.
I wouldn't consider the Raptors much of a threat. They seem to usually choke in the playoffs.
I didn't want to name names, but I can confirm celticsclay is one of my burner accounts who asked me to come back.And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you :PMultiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series. I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers. I think it worked out. Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers. I have no intention of staying long-term. The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot. I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)
On the topic of Kawhi... I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play. What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington? Those seem like the two most likely destinations.
I wanted him back. He's made me a better person and helped me get sober. I wish others appreciated him more.
I know that the latter would have to agree to opt into the final year of his deal, but think about this possible starting lineup -
C - Marc Gasol
PF - JaMychal Green
SF - Kawhi Leonard
SG - Honestly not sure on this one. Perhaps they could go after Danny Green if they're unsure about Wayne Selden's knee, for example.
PG - Mike Conley
I'm just going to assert that no team factoring "Wayne Selden's knee" into its plans is an actual contender.
Rody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago. Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy.
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden. I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly.
Got labelled a Celtic hater, a Sixer fan, etc. The consensus from the fans here was that they wouldn't give up a 2nd round pick for Embiid. I decided to hold my ground on Sixer island and it finally paid off this year when they had only their second 50+ win season in the past 30+ years. Given that I had been CelticsBlog's Sixer foil for a couple years, it was only fitting that I be a part of the first (of probably many) Celtic vs Sixer playoff series. Boston pulled it off. People had a laugh at my expense. I plan to crawl back in my hole in a couple weeks.
I didn't want to name names, but I can confirm celticsclay is one of my burner accounts who asked me to come back.And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you :PMultiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series. I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers. I think it worked out. Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers. I have no intention of staying long-term. The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot. I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)
On the topic of Kawhi... I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play. What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington? Those seem like the two most likely destinations.
I wanted him back. He's made me a better person and helped me get sober. I wish others appreciated him more.
Celticsclay has supported me through a lot
QuoteRody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago. Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy.
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden. I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly.
Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet. 63 games this year so it is always something with him. But you absolute could end up being right.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/embiijo01.htmlQuoteGot labelled a Celtic hater, a Sixer fan, etc. The consensus from the fans here was that they wouldn't give up a 2nd round pick for Embiid. I decided to hold my ground on Sixer island and it finally paid off this year when they had only their second 50+ win season in the past 30+ years. Given that I had been CelticsBlog's Sixer foil for a couple years, it was only fitting that I be a part of the first (of probably many) Celtic vs Sixer playoff series. Boston pulled it off. People had a laugh at my expense. I plan to crawl back in my hole in a couple weeks.
Do you think Simmons is going to sprout a shoot or Fultz is going to make a comeback from shootingitis? I think the former is more probable than the later. But something about Simmons game makes he think he does not care a whole lot about the game or getting better. He is a great talent but let's things come to him and isn't exactly assertive on the court. He is also playing out of position
Come on, you have to stay until after Free Agency!
Fultz is still an elite prospect. Youngest player ever to have a triple double.I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade: Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi. Gonna be tough to beat that.
What? That offer isn't even that good...
QuoteRody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago. Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy.
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden. I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly.
Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet. 63 games this year so it is always something with him. But you absolute could end up being right.
QuoteRody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago. Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy.
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden. I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly.
Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet. 63 games this year so it is always something with him. But you absolute could end up being right.
Man, 63 games is pretty great. We got less than 63 games from Kyrie and Hayward combined.
We should add Kawhi too so we can be the "All-Injury Team". Including playoffs, Embiid played 71 games last season. Our hypothetical Big 3 of Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward played a combined 70 games last season.QuoteRody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago. Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy.
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden. I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly.
Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet. 63 games this year so it is always something with him. But you absolute could end up being right.
Man, 63 games is pretty great. We got less than 63 games from Kyrie and Hayward combined.
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Lebron, George and Leonard potential superteam stinks
Celtics still have a shot IF the Spurs will suck the Lakers dry
Randle, Ingram, Ball gone for example
We heard the same thing about Miami. They would fill that bench very quickly with vets on min contracts and friends of Lebron.Lebron, George and Leonard potential superteam stinks
Celtics still have a shot IF the Spurs will suck the Lakers dry
Randle, Ingram, Ball gone for example
They'd have to gut that team to accommodate those three guys. That would be a super team up front, but little to no bench.
Leonard’s real value to Boston is he is able to guard James and Durant. This is what Ainge is gearing up for
As the sole Lakers fan on this board, I was thinking about this news all day at work...and what I ended up concluding, is that I'd prefer to keep everyone and sign Lebron and PG13 (if possible). The Spurs will only do the trade if we gut our team, and I don't think it's worth it. I'm guessing they will ask for BI, Kuz, Hart and the 25th pick...Who knows, maybe more.
Given that he can after next year (unlikely, but still possible) and that the injury situation is what it is, I'm definitely iffy on the whole thing.
Windhorst and Jackie Mac on their podcast tonight said Tatum and the Kings pick is untouchable.
Windhorst and Jackie Mac on their podcast tonight said Tatum and the Kings pick is untouchable.
I get Tatum, but the Kings pick? Don't see that as untouchable at all. I'd trade that before I traded Jaylen.
Mike
Imagine though this line up:
Kyrie
Tatum
Hayward
Leonard
Al
Bench:
Rozier
Smart
Morris
Baynes
Theis
Semi
I think Boston wins the title. They have Leonard to match up with
Kd or James in the finals. Can switch everything. Have offense. Have the deepest bench in the league.
Yeah I do not see that SAC pick being untouchable at all. I’d give it up in a heart beat especially if it would save some you from having to gut all your proven role players.sounds like the kings might offer the 2nd pick for kawhi. That would mess up our pick next year.
Imagine though this line up:
Kyrie
Tatum
Hayward
Leonard
Al
Bench:
Rozier
Smart
Morris
Baynes
Theis
Semi
I think Boston wins the title. They have Leonard to match up with
Kd or James in the finals. Can switch everything. Have offense. Have the deepest bench in the league.
Unfortunately I think Rozier + Morris also have to be added to the trade to make it work
We should add Kawhi too so we can be the "All-Injury Team". Including playoffs, Embiid played 71 games last season. Our hypothetical Big 3 of Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward played a combined 70 games last season.QuoteRody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago. Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy.
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden. I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly.
Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet. 63 games this year so it is always something with him. But you absolute could end up being right.
Man, 63 games is pretty great. We got less than 63 games from Kyrie and Hayward combined.
http://bfy.tw/Id33
Yes, you should be thinking about recent history. Embiid looking healthy. Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward not even playing in the playoffs. At the moment, those 3 guys are way more of an injury concern than Embiid. Even without the addition of Kawhi, our team is built around two fragile stars. Kyrie is extremely injury prone. Hayward's career is over until proven otherwise. Just have to hope for the best and cross our fingers these guys get healthy like Philly.We should add Kawhi too so we can be the "All-Injury Team". Including playoffs, Embiid played 71 games last season. Our hypothetical Big 3 of Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward played a combined 70 games last season.QuoteRody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago. Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy.
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden. I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly.
Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet. 63 games this year so it is always something with him. But you absolute could end up being right.
Man, 63 games is pretty great. We got less than 63 games from Kyrie and Hayward combined.
http://bfy.tw/Id33
Oh, indeed. That makes such perfect sense. I should be thinking about it that way, instead of thinking that in the last three years, Embiid has played 94 out of 246 games, while Irving has played 185 and Hayward 156.
Yes, you should be thinking about recent history. Embiid looking healthy. Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward not even playing in the playoffs. At the moment, those 3 guys are way more of an injury concern than Embiid. Even without the addition of Kawhi, our team is built around two fragile stars. Kyrie is extremely injury prone. Hayward's career is over until proven otherwise. Just have to hope for the best and cross our fingers these guys get healthy like Philly.We should add Kawhi too so we can be the "All-Injury Team". Including playoffs, Embiid played 71 games last season. Our hypothetical Big 3 of Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward played a combined 70 games last season.QuoteRody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago. Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy.
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden. I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly.
Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet. 63 games this year so it is always something with him. But you absolute could end up being right.
Man, 63 games is pretty great. We got less than 63 games from Kyrie and Hayward combined.
http://bfy.tw/Id33
Oh, indeed. That makes such perfect sense. I should be thinking about it that way, instead of thinking that in the last three years, Embiid has played 94 out of 246 games, while Irving has played 185 and Hayward 156.
Yes, you should be thinking about recent history. Embiid looking healthy. Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward not even playing in the playoffs. At the moment, those 3 guys are way more of an injury concern than Embiid. Even without the addition of Kawhi, our team is built around two fragile stars. Kyrie is extremely injury prone. Hayward's career is over until proven otherwise. Just have to hope for the best and cross our fingers these guys get healthy like Philly.We should add Kawhi too so we can be the "All-Injury Team". Including playoffs, Embiid played 71 games last season. Our hypothetical Big 3 of Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward played a combined 70 games last season.QuoteRody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago. Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy.
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden. I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly.
Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet. 63 games this year so it is always something with him. But you absolute could end up being right.
Man, 63 games is pretty great. We got less than 63 games from Kyrie and Hayward combined.
http://bfy.tw/Id33
Oh, indeed. That makes such perfect sense. I should be thinking about it that way, instead of thinking that in the last three years, Embiid has played 94 out of 246 games, while Irving has played 185 and Hayward 156.
Yes, you should be thinking about recent history. Embiid looking healthy. Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward not even playing in the playoffs. At the moment, those 3 guys are way more of an injury concern than Embiid. Even without the addition of Kawhi, our team is built around two fragile stars. Kyrie is extremely injury prone. Hayward's career is over until proven otherwise. Just have to hope for the best and cross our fingers these guys get healthy like Philly.We should add Kawhi too so we can be the "All-Injury Team". Including playoffs, Embiid played 71 games last season. Our hypothetical Big 3 of Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward played a combined 70 games last season.QuoteRody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago. Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy.
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden. I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly.
Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet. 63 games this year so it is always something with him. But you absolute could end up being right.
Man, 63 games is pretty great. We got less than 63 games from Kyrie and Hayward combined.
http://bfy.tw/Id33
Oh, indeed. That makes such perfect sense. I should be thinking about it that way, instead of thinking that in the last three years, Embiid has played 94 out of 246 games, while Irving has played 185 and Hayward 156.
Yes, you should be thinking about recent history. Embiid looking healthy. Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward not even playing in the playoffs. At the moment, those 3 guys are way more of an injury concern than Embiid. Even without the addition of Kawhi, our team is built around two fragile stars. Kyrie is extremely injury prone. Hayward's career is over until proven otherwise. Just have to hope for the best and cross our fingers these guys get healthy like Philly.We should add Kawhi too so we can be the "All-Injury Team". Including playoffs, Embiid played 71 games last season. Our hypothetical Big 3 of Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward played a combined 70 games last season.QuoteRody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago. Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy.
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden. I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly.
Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet. 63 games this year so it is always something with him. But you absolute could end up being right.
Man, 63 games is pretty great. We got less than 63 games from Kyrie and Hayward combined.
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Oh, indeed. That makes such perfect sense. I should be thinking about it that way, instead of thinking that in the last three years, Embiid has played 94 out of 246 games, while Irving has played 185 and Hayward 156.
Yeah, nope. Hayward's career is absolutely not over. That is the medical opinion of nobody, and his recovery has gone according to plan. The default understanding is that he's coming back and will be a good player again, similar to Paul George. Injury concern? Sure. Career-ending? Definitely not the prognosis.
Kyrie is significantly less injury prone than Embiid. He played 52 playoff games in his last 3 years in Cleveland.. since we're counting playoff games for Embiid. He's actually played 2000 minutes in the regular season several times and is only 2 years older. Embiid has a much bigger, bruising body prone to injury and more major injuries in the 1st place.
Ah but why bother, you sure do enjoy playing the Philly card around here at every possible chance.
No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard
1. Leonard won't be eligible for a supermax but will be eligible for the next best thing. A 5 year 188 million max , only with the team that trades for him this upcoming season. Celtics would hold the key
2. While Buford and Popovich are in your face type management (doesn't matter if you are a superstar etc.) Ainge and CBS are anything but this. I can see a very good working relationship especially between CBS and Leonard
3. Block the Lakers from getting Leonard and potentially creeping up closer in number of most championships.
4. Also potentially block Lebron + Leonard combining. Need to prevent Lebron from having one up on Celtics moving forward (unless he joins)
5. And to at the top of the list, because it gives the Celts the best chance to win a championship now
None of those deals are worth it.
No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard
1. Leonard won't be eligible for a supermax but will be eligible for the next best thing. A 5 year 188 million max , only with the team that trades for him this upcoming season. Celtics would hold the key
2. While Buford and Popovich are in your face type management (doesn't matter if you are a superstar etc.) Ainge and CBS are anything but this. I can see a very good working relationship especially between CBS and Leonard
3. Block the Lakers from getting Leonard and potentially creeping up closer in number of most championships.
4. Also potentially block Lebron + Leonard combining. Need to prevent Lebron from having one up on Celtics moving forward (unless he joins)
5. And to at the top of the list, because it gives the Celts the best chance to win a championship now
I'm not doing anything just because it might ruin the Lakers plan. I'd like to think the Lakers don't take up that much space in Dany Ainge's head.
These trades where we send all stars or future all stars and future high picks and good rotation players for Kawhi are hilarious
His camp (and uncle especially) seem to want him to play for a big market team.
But we've also heard folks in the media say Leonard has the Lakers on his list and Knicks as well (as preferred destinations). Haven't heard much besides that as to where he'd prefer to play and where it is that he'll likely sign an extension long term next summer.
I think Boston was on Kyrie's list last summer although it wasn't reported until about 2 weeks after Kyrie's trade request by former Cavaliers GM Griffin.
But Kawhi? We just don't know.
It's risky since he's a rental too, whereas with Kyrie you had him under control for another year (a little less risky).
I missed that this year.These trades where we send all stars or future all stars and future high picks and good rotation players for Kawhi are hilarious
Just trade ideas that are risky, no doubt about it.
Who can slow down/stop Lebron or Durant? There is only one guy in the league that can do this. Leonard
His camp (and uncle especially) seem to want him to play for a big market team.
But we've also heard folks in the media say Leonard has the Lakers on his list and Knicks as well (as preferred destinations). Haven't heard much besides that as to where he'd prefer to play and where it is that he'll likely sign an extension long term next summer.
I think Boston was on Kyrie's list last summer although it wasn't reported until about 2 weeks after Kyrie's trade request by former Cavaliers GM Griffin.
But Kawhi? We just don't know.
It's risky since he's a rental too, whereas with Kyrie you had him under control for another year (a little less risky).
Doubt it
If Leonard is traded here, you would have to risk- He will learn to love it here
And winning a championship would be massive in hopes to lock him up long term
On tv, Woj said kawhi prefers lakers and maybe clippers
The fact that he only likes LA teams tells me there is a sentimental reason why Kawhi wants to go there
Brown
Rozier
Morris
Yabusele
Nader
2019 Kings Pick
Makes the most sense for the Celtics but it’s something that I would have to think long and hard about if I were the GM.
Brown
Rozier
Morris
Yabusele
Nader
2019 Kings Pick
Makes the most sense for the Celtics but it’s something that I would have to think long and hard about if I were the GM.
Yeah, putting Nader in there really makes me hesitate
:laugh:
I missed that this year.These trades where we send all stars or future all stars and future high picks and good rotation players for Kawhi are hilarious
Just trade ideas that are risky, no doubt about it.
Who can slow down/stop Lebron or Durant? There is only one guy in the league that can do this. Leonard
I missed that this year.These trades where we send all stars or future all stars and future high picks and good rotation players for Kawhi are hilarious
Just trade ideas that are risky, no doubt about it.
Who can slow down/stop Lebron or Durant? There is only one guy in the league that can do this. Leonard
Getting Kawhi ,
prevents him going to team up with Lebron and puts Brown who is going to be a star soon , on a Western team NOt named the Warriors or Lakers .
Celtics can compete against any two ...of Lebron Paul George or Kawhi ...
BUT NOT all three on the same team .....thats at least GS power or slightly more.
Basically I want Kawhi to go ANYwHERE. Lebron is NOT .
Since Lebrons Son Bronny is scheduled to play high school ball out in LA area ....with Pippens son , i think is 99 % done deal he is playing for Lakers . He can move his money grubbing career ahead , life there and take care of his family as a unit in a house he already owns.
If One of Kawhi or Pg go to lakers , they will be Competitive, but not unbeatable , and it will take at least two years to put the deal together to work smooth. Bron has to install HIS peoples , coaches and system and train a coach to do as he is told.
All three wind up there ...thats a problem.
I'm not even concerned about the one-year rental. I'm concerned he might not put up his pre-injury all-star stats again considering that he hasn't played for a majority of last season.100% agreed about injury and attitude concerns
He's got that diva attitude written all over him now, so he should go there. He wants to be in the big spotlight and wants to enjoy the hot weather, beaches, and Hollywood. That's where he belongs.
I'm not even concerned about the one-year rental. I'm concerned he might not put up his pre-injury all-star stats again considering that he hasn't played for a majority of last season.We'd sure be putting a lot of weight on some fragile talent if we were building an all-injury Big 3 of Kawhi, Kyrie and Hayward. Can't blame you for being concerned.
He's got that diva attitude written all over him now, so he should go there. He wants to be in the big spotlight and wants to enjoy the hot weather, beaches, and Hollywood. That's where he belongs.
Lets face it the media lie. Look at what they do to the Pats. They are really trying to push people to LA even though LA sucks. Trust me no star wants to go to lousy team to rebuild even if it is their home town.The media has absolutely nothing to do with it. Leonard already stated he wants to go to LAL.
I'm not even concerned about the one-year rental. I'm concerned he might not put up his pre-injury all-star stats again considering that he hasn't played for a majority of last season.We'd sure be putting a lot of weight on some fragile talent if we were building an all-injury Big 3 of Kawhi, Kyrie and Hayward. Can't blame you for being concerned.
He's got that diva attitude written all over him now, so he should go there. He wants to be in the big spotlight and wants to enjoy the hot weather, beaches, and Hollywood. That's where he belongs.
Once surrounded by proper vets he will embrace his teammates. Winning and a good culture will do that to you.
Besides.. If lebron and PG are with the Fakers.. I Believe they won't have the cap space for him to go there.. And if we win a championship.. There is no reason not to stay.. Question is how do we pay 4 max guys..
You know - screw his list. I hope we stay far away. I HOPE he goes to LA and LBJ joins him and gets LBJ out of the East.
You know - screw his list. I hope we stay far away. I HOPE he goes to LA and LBJ joins him and gets LBJ out of the East.
Not sure why people are so scared of this happening. Let them and warriors beat each other up in the west while we waltz through the east to the finals...
I’d give up Brown and Rozier but not the Kings pick. I also would need some verbal assurance from Kawhi that he’d be on board.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2781554-kawhi-leonard-rumors-lakers-clippers-concerned-over-stars-quadriceps-injury
Clippers and Lakers wary about Kawhi's injury. Honestly, I'm surprised this isn't brought up as often. Whatever injury he had kept him out virtually all of last year. That to me is the biggest concern about it all. I'd be doing a lot of homework on him before entertaining a trade to be honest, including checking medical info, etc.
And if it turns out that Kawhi's been healthy for a while (including the playoffs), then boy that's going to make the situation look 10x worse. (Since main assumption is that Kawhi and the organization feuded over the extent of his injury it seems)
I'm not even concerned about the one-year rental. I'm concerned he might not put up his pre-injury all-star stats again considering that he hasn't played for a majority of last season.We'd sure be putting a lot of weight on some fragile talent if we were building an all-injury Big 3 of Kawhi, Kyrie and Hayward. Can't blame you for being concerned.
He's got that diva attitude written all over him now, so he should go there. He wants to be in the big spotlight and wants to enjoy the hot weather, beaches, and Hollywood. That's where he belongs.
Man. Next year’s finals chase might be even more than usual about who stays healthy.
Houston: Chris Paul’s cursed playoff history
LA Lakers(?): Kawhi’s knees, LeBron pushing 34 with a *lot* of minutes under his belt
Golden State: Steph Curry’s iffy ankles, and an aging Iguodala
Celtics: Kyrie and Gordon
Weird when Joel Embiid is pretty far down the list of injury concerns...
They all played less than Embiid last season. Its not fair to lump Hayward with Kawhi and Kyrie. Hayward has played 70+ games in 6 of his 8 seasons. Kawhi is 2 out of 7 season and Kyrie is 3 out of 7 seasons.I'm not even concerned about the one-year rental. I'm concerned he might not put up his pre-injury all-star stats again considering that he hasn't played for a majority of last season.We'd sure be putting a lot of weight on some fragile talent if we were building an all-injury Big 3 of Kawhi, Kyrie and Hayward. Can't blame you for being concerned.
He's got that diva attitude written all over him now, so he should go there. He wants to be in the big spotlight and wants to enjoy the hot weather, beaches, and Hollywood. That's where he belongs.
Yea I think most of these guys played less than embiid last season right?
I would just like to thank whoever merged all of these Kawhi threads. You are the wind beneath my wings.
Mike
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2781554-kawhi-leonard-rumors-lakers-clippers-concerned-over-stars-quadriceps-injury
Clippers and Lakers wary about Kawhi's injury. Honestly, I'm surprised this isn't brought up as often. Whatever injury he had kept him out virtually all of last year. That to me is the biggest concern about it all. I'd be doing a lot of homework on him before entertaining a trade to be honest, including checking medical info, etc.
And if it turns out that Kawhi's been healthy for a while (including the playoffs), then boy that's going to make the situation look 10x worse. (Since main assumption is that Kawhi and the organization feuded over the extent of his injury it seems)
but of the three, aren’t you most worried about Hayward? I still have doubts he’s healthy opening night.They all played less than Embiid last season. Its not fair to lump Hayward with Kawhi and Kyrie. Hayward has played 70+ games in 6 of his 8 seasons. Kawhi is 2 out of 7 season and Kyrie is 3 out of 7 seasons.I'm not even concerned about the one-year rental. I'm concerned he might not put up his pre-injury all-star stats again considering that he hasn't played for a majority of last season.We'd sure be putting a lot of weight on some fragile talent if we were building an all-injury Big 3 of Kawhi, Kyrie and Hayward. Can't blame you for being concerned.
He's got that diva attitude written all over him now, so he should go there. He wants to be in the big spotlight and wants to enjoy the hot weather, beaches, and Hollywood. That's where he belongs.
Yea I think most of these guys played less than embiid last season right?
but of the three, aren’t you most worried about Hayward? I still have doubts he’s healthy opening night.They all played less than Embiid last season. Its not fair to lump Hayward with Kawhi and Kyrie. Hayward has played 70+ games in 6 of his 8 seasons. Kawhi is 2 out of 7 season and Kyrie is 3 out of 7 seasons.I'm not even concerned about the one-year rental. I'm concerned he might not put up his pre-injury all-star stats again considering that he hasn't played for a majority of last season.We'd sure be putting a lot of weight on some fragile talent if we were building an all-injury Big 3 of Kawhi, Kyrie and Hayward. Can't blame you for being concerned.
He's got that diva attitude written all over him now, so he should go there. He wants to be in the big spotlight and wants to enjoy the hot weather, beaches, and Hollywood. That's where he belongs.
Yea I think most of these guys played less than embiid last season right?
how do you rank the risk of reinjury for the three ?but of the three, aren’t you most worried about Hayward? I still have doubts he’s healthy opening night.They all played less than Embiid last season. Its not fair to lump Hayward with Kawhi and Kyrie. Hayward has played 70+ games in 6 of his 8 seasons. Kawhi is 2 out of 7 season and Kyrie is 3 out of 7 seasons.I'm not even concerned about the one-year rental. I'm concerned he might not put up his pre-injury all-star stats again considering that he hasn't played for a majority of last season.We'd sure be putting a lot of weight on some fragile talent if we were building an all-injury Big 3 of Kawhi, Kyrie and Hayward. Can't blame you for being concerned.
He's got that diva attitude written all over him now, so he should go there. He wants to be in the big spotlight and wants to enjoy the hot weather, beaches, and Hollywood. That's where he belongs.
Yea I think most of these guys played less than embiid last season right?
Even if it's not opening night, by December he should be at full speed. He's going to be super rusty the first few months. Lateral movement will be the last thing to come back most likely physically, and then Mentally might be a bit longer.
But we know our young guys can handle their jobs until Haywards ready to go. I'm not worried too much unless he's not playing 5 on 5 by the end to beginning of September.
I would just like to thank whoever merged all of these Kawhi threads. You are the wind beneath my wings.
Mike
The number of LeBron threads was worse IMO ;Dhttps://bleacherreport.com/articles/2781554-kawhi-leonard-rumors-lakers-clippers-concerned-over-stars-quadriceps-injury
Clippers and Lakers wary about Kawhi's injury. Honestly, I'm surprised this isn't brought up as often. Whatever injury he had kept him out virtually all of last year. That to me is the biggest concern about it all. I'd be doing a lot of homework on him before entertaining a trade to be honest, including checking medical info, etc.
And if it turns out that Kawhi's been healthy for a while (including the playoffs), then boy that's going to make the situation look 10x worse. (Since main assumption is that Kawhi and the organization feuded over the extent of his injury it seems)
Kyrie situation again pretty much!
I would just like to thank whoever merged all of these Kawhi threads. You are the wind beneath my wings.
Mike
The number of LeBron threads was worse IMO ;Dhttps://bleacherreport.com/articles/2781554-kawhi-leonard-rumors-lakers-clippers-concerned-over-stars-quadriceps-injury
Clippers and Lakers wary about Kawhi's injury. Honestly, I'm surprised this isn't brought up as often. Whatever injury he had kept him out virtually all of last year. That to me is the biggest concern about it all. I'd be doing a lot of homework on him before entertaining a trade to be honest, including checking medical info, etc.
And if it turns out that Kawhi's been healthy for a while (including the playoffs), then boy that's going to make the situation look 10x worse. (Since main assumption is that Kawhi and the organization feuded over the extent of his injury it seems)
Kyrie situation again pretty much!
Last week the "Latest Forum Topics" box had 5-6 Lebron threads out of the 8 viewable LOL.
Now you got 5-6 Kawhi threads out of the 8 viewable. Then about 2-3 off-topic threads or a rare thread about Draft stuff :P
Chris Sheridan (the same Chris Sheridan that reported first about LeBron returning to the Cavs) says according to his sources 'There is a 0 percent chance the Spurs trade Kawhi Leonard to a Western Conference team'. As Sheridan also puts it, Popovich would “gladly take 75 cents on the dollar for Kawhi if he could send him out of the West.”Dang. If we could get him for cheap (i.e. pupu platter of our role players and bench guys) Danny has to do that
IF this is truely the case and IF Kawhi passes a medical, Danny needs to trade for Leonard almost simply to stop 76ers from getting him.
https://www.getmoresports.com/sheridan-next-destination-kawhi-leonard-handicapping-field/
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.
I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.
my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Leonard stays with the Spurs
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.
I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.
Not sure, that trade basically ruined the Knicks chances of building a contender with Carmelo, teams since have avoided giving up that many pieces in trades.
Really we should be looking at what Kyrie went for or what Deron Williams went for. George and Butler went for pennies on the dollar and I don't think we see that repeated with Kawhi.
Williams went for Favors, Devon Harris and 2 first round picks, one of which was #3
Kyrie went for IT, Crowder, zizic and a nets pick (Nets had just finished with the worst record)
Phillys equivalent of the Williams trade would be Fultz + Covington + this years number 10 and a future pick, they'd likely have to add a bit more as the picks are worse and Fultz isn't as good as Favors was, plus Kawhi is a better player than Williams!
Equivalent to the Kyrie trade would be Saric, Covington, Luwawu, + a future high lottery pick that they don't currently have...
If I'm the Spurs I probably don't like either deal and I'd look elsewhere!
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.
I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.
Not sure, that trade basically ruined the Knicks chances of building a contender with Carmelo, teams since have avoided giving up that many pieces in trades.
Really we should be looking at what Kyrie went for or what Deron Williams went for. George and Butler went for pennies on the dollar and I don't think we see that repeated with Kawhi.
Williams went for Favors, Devon Harris and 2 first round picks, one of which was #3
Kyrie went for IT, Crowder, zizic and a nets pick (Nets had just finished with the worst record)
Phillys equivalent of the Williams trade would be Fultz + Covington + this years number 10 and a future pick, they'd likely have to add a bit more as the picks are worse and Fultz isn't as good as Favors was, plus Kawhi is a better player than Williams!
Equivalent to the Kyrie trade would be Saric, Covington, Luwawu, + a future high lottery pick that they don't currently have...
If I'm the Spurs I probably don't like either deal and I'd look elsewhere!
Let’s say Fultz, Covington, and the 10th pick is the starting point for the 76rs. Is that really any better than say S&T of Smart, Morris and either the Kings pick or the Grizzlies pick? I think it’s close but we can easily sweeten our offer. If we can hold onto Brown that would be great. Ha
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.
I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.
Not sure, that trade basically ruined the Knicks chances of building a contender with Carmelo, teams since have avoided giving up that many pieces in trades.
Really we should be looking at what Kyrie went for or what Deron Williams went for. George and Butler went for pennies on the dollar and I don't think we see that repeated with Kawhi.
Williams went for Favors, Devon Harris and 2 first round picks, one of which was #3
Kyrie went for IT, Crowder, zizic and a nets pick (Nets had just finished with the worst record)
Phillys equivalent of the Williams trade would be Fultz + Covington + this years number 10 and a future pick, they'd likely have to add a bit more as the picks are worse and Fultz isn't as good as Favors was, plus Kawhi is a better player than Williams!
Equivalent to the Kyrie trade would be Saric, Covington, Luwawu, + a future high lottery pick that they don't currently have...
If I'm the Spurs I probably don't like either deal and I'd look elsewhere!
Let’s say Fultz, Covington, and the 10th pick is the starting point for the 76rs. Is that really any better than say S&T of Smart, Morris and either the Kings pick or the Grizzlies pick? I think it’s close but we can easily sweeten our offer. If we can hold onto Brown that would be great. Ha
For salaries to match, you might have to include Rozier, and maybe even Nader too (solely for salary). And truthfully it really depends on how they view Fultz. Some on here will say he's a "superstar trade prospect", while others look at him as a guy with legit star-potential that right now just doesn't have high trade value. Honestly if PHI decides to add Saric to that package and maybe a pick, it beats that offer. Otherwise, it's not too bad.
I wouldn't be surprised if teams (other than LAL) lowball them with offers at the beginning because remember, this guy is a rental who has made it clear he prefers to play with either LAL/LAC/NYK. Spurs leverage is honestly not that high here though they'll certainly still look for the highest offers out there (and prefer to deal him East). Kawhi may be a Top-5 player when healthy, but remember, that's "when healthy", because we also have no clue how serious his injury is/was.
Personally, I view Milwaukee as a dark horse candidate. They are in the East, and could offer something like Middleton + Parker + Draft Pick(s) and Spurs probably would like that. Or instead of Parker, add a prospect like Brogdon OR Maker. MIL is probably a bit desperate to add legit star power but right now they are kind of stuck where they are (unless they pull off a trade like this), and they probably want to keep Giannis happy going forward (which means better playoff success next year and beyond).
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.
I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.
Not sure, that trade basically ruined the Knicks chances of building a contender with Carmelo, teams since have avoided giving up that many pieces in trades.
Really we should be looking at what Kyrie went for or what Deron Williams went for. George and Butler went for pennies on the dollar and I don't think we see that repeated with Kawhi.
Williams went for Favors, Devon Harris and 2 first round picks, one of which was #3
Kyrie went for IT, Crowder, zizic and a nets pick (Nets had just finished with the worst record)
Phillys equivalent of the Williams trade would be Fultz + Covington + this years number 10 and a future pick, they'd likely have to add a bit more as the picks are worse and Fultz isn't as good as Favors was, plus Kawhi is a better player than Williams!
Equivalent to the Kyrie trade would be Saric, Covington, Luwawu, + a future high lottery pick that they don't currently have...
If I'm the Spurs I probably don't like either deal and I'd look elsewhere!
I keep wavering back and forth as to what is likely to happen. There's an analogy to the Kyrie situation in Cleveland in that both made their "trade me" declaration in the face of an upcoming contract decision. SAS could play hard ball and not trade him but they risk losing him for nothing. Do I have that right?Wouldn’t be surprised if Leonard stays with the Spurs
Couldn't agree more. He's probably gone, but we shouldn't dismiss this as a possibility.
I keep wavering back and forth as to what is likely to happen. There's an analogy to the Kyrie situation in Cleveland in that both made their "trade me" declaration in the face of an upcoming contract decision. SAS could play hard ball and not trade him but they risk losing him for nothing. Do I have that right?Wouldn’t be surprised if Leonard stays with the Spurs
Couldn't agree more. He's probably gone, but we shouldn't dismiss this as a possibility.
There is absolutely no way I can envision Leonard ever wanting to stay with the Bucks. Especially Milkuawkee.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Leonard stays with the Spurs
This went up a couple of hours ago.
What can the Celtics offer in a trade for Kawhi Leonard?
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23826138/kawhi-leonard-trades-boston-celtics-offer
Of course we wouldn't trade one of our two best players + more for a potential rental who may never be the same. DA isn't a moronThis went up a couple of hours ago.
What can the Celtics offer in a trade for Kawhi Leonard?
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23826138/kawhi-leonard-trades-boston-celtics-offer
I HIGHLY doubt they trade Hayward or Irving + Picks for rental Kawhi. Just don't see it.
Now maybe Smart S&T + Morris + Rozier + Nader + 2 Picks (including Kings OR Grizzlies), OR Brown + Rozier + Morris + Filler + Pick(s). Those could get it done but it depends if Ainge wants to take the risk. He'll definitely be doing his homework in the coming days and probably even speaking with Kawhi and the Spurs.
Losing Jaylen or Smart would absolutely suck, but IF Ainge is confident that it's worth the risk and everything seems to check out, I'll trust him, and if Kawhi is truly healthy and committed here, then I don't think you can say no to a trade like that for a guy who is Top-5 in the entire NBA when healthy. Also probably the best (or second best) 2-way player in the league.
Of course we wouldn't trade one of our two best players + more for a potential rental who may never be the same. DA isn't a moronThis went up a couple of hours ago.
What can the Celtics offer in a trade for Kawhi Leonard?
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23826138/kawhi-leonard-trades-boston-celtics-offer
I HIGHLY doubt they trade Hayward or Irving + Picks for rental Kawhi. Just don't see it.
Now maybe Smart S&T + Morris + Rozier + Nader + 2 Picks (including Kings OR Grizzlies), OR Brown + Rozier + Morris + Filler + Pick(s). Those could get it done but it depends if Ainge wants to take the risk. He'll definitely be doing his homework in the coming days and probably even speaking with Kawhi and the Spurs.
Losing Jaylen or Smart would absolutely suck, but IF Ainge is confident that it's worth the risk and everything seems to check out, I'll trust him, and if Kawhi is truly healthy and committed here, then I don't think you can say no to a trade like that for a guy who is Top-5 in the entire NBA when healthy. Also probably the best (or second best) 2-way player in the league.
Of course we wouldn't trade one of our two best players + more for a potential rental who may never be the same. DA isn't a moronThis went up a couple of hours ago.
What can the Celtics offer in a trade for Kawhi Leonard?
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23826138/kawhi-leonard-trades-boston-celtics-offer
I HIGHLY doubt they trade Hayward or Irving + Picks for rental Kawhi. Just don't see it.
Now maybe Smart S&T + Morris + Rozier + Nader + 2 Picks (including Kings OR Grizzlies), OR Brown + Rozier + Morris + Filler + Pick(s). Those could get it done but it depends if Ainge wants to take the risk. He'll definitely be doing his homework in the coming days and probably even speaking with Kawhi and the Spurs.
Losing Jaylen or Smart would absolutely suck, but IF Ainge is confident that it's worth the risk and everything seems to check out, I'll trust him, and if Kawhi is truly healthy and committed here, then I don't think you can say no to a trade like that for a guy who is Top-5 in the entire NBA when healthy. Also probably the best (or second best) 2-way player in the league.
Kawhi’s 20-year-old SUV is affectionately nicknamed Gas Guzzler. “It runs,” Leonard told Sports Illustrated, “and it’s paid off.” The old Tahoe is a perfect illustration of Kawhi’s reserved and humble personality. He is notoriously quiet — a notable trait in a league whose superstars are iconic global celebrities adept at media relations and personal branding.(https://i0.wp.com/blog.turo.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/1995-chevrolet-tahoe-6.jpg?resize=1024%2C512&ssl=1)
In 2015, right after his $94-million contract kicked in, Kawhi reportedly panicked after misplacing his Wingstop coupons. Wingstop, who happily sponsors the 6’8 Southern California native, quickly sent him more coupons to support his chicken habit.
getting back to business
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAXOyaK4xSw
Broussard says Kawhi main advisor (his uncle) is close to Irving father (no wonder Irving put the Spurs as one of the teams he requested to be traded to?)
PLUS....if these two are close, Leonard probably has heard it all regarding Lebrons drama queen behavior
interesting
This went up a couple of hours ago.
What can the Celtics offer in a trade for Kawhi Leonard?
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23826138/kawhi-leonard-trades-boston-celtics-offer
I HIGHLY doubt they trade Hayward or Irving + Picks for rental Kawhi. Just don't see it.
Now maybe Smart S&T + Morris + Rozier + Nader + 2 Picks (including Kings OR Grizzlies), OR Brown + Rozier + Morris + Filler + Pick(s). Those could get it done but it depends if Ainge wants to take the risk. He'll definitely be doing his homework in the coming days and probably even speaking with Kawhi and the Spurs.
Losing Jaylen or Smart would absolutely suck, but IF Ainge is confident that it's worth the risk and everything seems to check out, I'll trust him, and if Kawhi is truly healthy and committed here, then I don't think you can say no to a trade like that for a guy who is Top-5 in the entire NBA when healthy. Also probably the best (or second best) 2-way player in the league.
getting back to business
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAXOyaK4xSw
Broussard says Kawhi main advisor (his uncle) is close to Irving father (no wonder Irving put the Spurs as one of the teams he requested to be traded to?)
PLUS....if these two are close, Leonard probably has heard it all regarding Lebrons drama queen behavior
interesting
Kyrie can take the spotlight and Leonard can fill into the background like Al and Hayward.
In order for me to include Brown into the deal, I'd need to get Kawhi to add Boston to his preferred destinations list.
I'd do the draft picks + rabble even if he says no. We don't need those picks. When we win a title in 2018-19, his tune could change. A title is worth more than picks with a team this mature.
Another interesting game will be, who makes the 1st move between Lebron, Paul, George and Leonard (if Leonard is not traded prior to the draft)
If Lebron signs with the Lakers, would the Lakers be less conservative and overpay for Leonard. If the Lakers get Leonard prior to Jul 1st, would it be a easier decision for Lebron to join the Lakers.
Pure drama moving forward. Plus unless an overpay, Buford likely doesn't give Leonard the satisfaction and ships him out to the east
History tells us that after being traded Kawhi is going to turn into a mediocre player .
It’s a Spurs thing.
This went up a couple of hours ago.
What can the Celtics offer in a trade for Kawhi Leonard?
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23826138/kawhi-leonard-trades-boston-celtics-offer
I HIGHLY doubt they trade Hayward or Irving + Picks for rental Kawhi. Just don't see it.
Now maybe Smart S&T + Morris + Rozier + Nader + 2 Picks (including Kings OR Grizzlies), OR Brown + Rozier + Morris + Filler + Pick(s). Those could get it done but it depends if Ainge wants to take the risk. He'll definitely be doing his homework in the coming days and probably even speaking with Kawhi and the Spurs.
Losing Jaylen or Smart would absolutely suck, but IF Ainge is confident that it's worth the risk and everything seems to check out, I'll trust him, and if Kawhi is truly healthy and committed here, then I don't think you can say no to a trade like that for a guy who is Top-5 in the entire NBA when healthy. Also probably the best (or second best) 2-way player in the league.
Smart won't be the best player going out. It's going to take one of Brown or Tatum.
The best I'd do is Rozier + Morris + ONE OF Brown / Sacramento #1, along with whatever filler and late round picks were required
History tells us that after being traded Kawhi is going to turn into a mediocre player .
It’s a Spurs thing.
Yeah, I'm out on the overpayment for Kawhi. I'll trade pretty much anything but one of the core players (including Jaylen).
I think Kawhi Leonard has been amazing player. I'm not convinced that he will continue to be that same player.
History tells us that after being traded Kawhi is going to turn into a mediocre player .
It’s a Spurs thing.
Is it safe to assume that nothing is going to happen before Thursday, and even then, it might take some time to shake out?
Mike
Danny has done a great job of putting the Celtics in the position they stand today. They have been able to attract key free agents (Horford and Hayward), trade for an arguable top 10 player (Irving), and draft significant players (Tatum and Brown), while still having tradable assets. For Kawhi, I don't think it's a question if Danny can get a trade done. Will ownership give Danny the OK to move forward on a trade that has 4 max level players? Or does ownership say, we want Kawhi, but you have to trade either Irving, Hayward, or Horford?
Based on what I have heard in the past from Danny and Wyc, I believe they will go all in. It's not every year that a top 5 player in the world is made available. And when they do become available, you do your best to get a deal done. I believe Wyc said recently (Felger and Mazz interview), that when ownership got together to purchase the Celtics, their main concern was wining titles and money wouldn't get in the way. If Wyc feels a player deserves the money, he said he wouldn't be concerned about the luxury tax ramifications.
Is it safe to assume that nothing is going to happen before Thursday, and even then, it might take some time to shake out?
Mike
Danny has done a great job of putting the Celtics in the position they stand today. They have been able to attract key free agents (Horford and Hayward), trade for an arguable top 10 player (Irving), and draft significant players (Tatum and Brown), while still having tradable assets. For Kawhi, I don't think it's a question if Danny can get a trade done. Will ownership give Danny the OK to move forward on a trade that has 4 max level players? Or does ownership say, we want Kawhi, but you have to trade either Irving, Hayward, or Horford?
Based on what I have heard in the past from Danny and Wyc, I believe they will go all in. It's not every year that a top 5 player in the world is made available. And when they do become available, you do your best to get a deal done. I believe Wyc said recently (Felger and Mazz interview), that when ownership got together to purchase the Celtics, their main concern was wining titles and money wouldn't get in the way. If Wyc feels a player deserves the money, he said he wouldn't be concerned about the luxury tax ramifications.
Is it safe to assume that nothing is going to happen before Thursday, and even then, it might take some time to shake out?
Mike
Here's the package they could offer without Brown or Tatum.
Marcus Smart (sign and trade for 12.5 million a year, worth 6.25 in salary as part of this trade)
Terry Rozier
Marcus Morris
Abdul Nader (non-guaranteed)
19 Sac Pick
Given that the Cs have bigger assets (Brown and Tatum), I think the Spurs would want more. That said, if the Celtics didn't have bigger assets, that package is not bad.
That is a two-way veteran role player that would fit the Spurs system really well (Morris scores in the places on the court that the Spurs attack), a All-Defensive talent, a young guard with the potential to be a long-term starter in the NBA, and the 19 Sac pick that could be top 5.
I think you could argue that is better assets than what the Spurs would want from the Sixers (they won't want Fultz because the Spurs were one of the first teams that considered personality as part of their scouting process). Covington roughly equals Marcus Smart (depending on your personal preference), Saric roughly equals Rozier (depending on your personal preference), and the 2018 Sac pick is better than any draft picks the Sixers can offer.
Eastern Teams like the Heat, Cavs, Bucks, Raptors, Pacers, and Wizards can all make an offer with comparable or better rotation players, but worse draft assets.
The Cs are probably in the mix, but the above trade means they have an unbalanced roster and it pushes Brown or Hayward to come off the bench. They'd need to still sign another big (Baynes, Monroe, or O'Quinn) and a couple point guards (Larkin, Evans, etc.).
If Ainge pulls the trigger, I could get on board with it, but I'm completely fine with the current roster next season.
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.
I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.
Not sure, that trade basically ruined the Knicks chances of building a contender with Carmelo, teams since have avoided giving up that many pieces in trades.
Really we should be looking at what Kyrie went for or what Deron Williams went for. George and Butler went for pennies on the dollar and I don't think we see that repeated with Kawhi.
Williams went for Favors, Devon Harris and 2 first round picks, one of which was #3
Kyrie went for IT, Crowder, zizic and a nets pick (Nets had just finished with the worst record)
Phillys equivalent of the Williams trade would be Fultz + Covington + this years number 10 and a future pick, they'd likely have to add a bit more as the picks are worse and Fultz isn't as good as Favors was, plus Kawhi is a better player than Williams!
Equivalent to the Kyrie trade would be Saric, Covington, Luwawu, + a future high lottery pick that they don't currently have...
If I'm the Spurs I probably don't like either deal and I'd look elsewhere!
Let’s say Fultz, Covington, and the 10th pick is the starting point for the 76rs. Is that really any better than say S&T of Smart, Morris and either the Kings pick or the Grizzlies pick? I think it’s close but we can easily sweeten our offer. If we can hold onto Brown that would be great. Ha
Here's the package they could offer without Brown or Tatum.
Marcus Smart (sign and trade for 12.5 million a year, worth 6.25 in salary as part of this trade)
Terry Rozier
Marcus Morris
Abdul Nader (non-guaranteed)
19 Sac Pick
Given that the Cs have bigger assets (Brown and Tatum), I think the Spurs would want more. That said, if the Celtics didn't have bigger assets, that package is not bad.
That is a two-way veteran role player that would fit the Spurs system really well (Morris scores in the places on the court that the Spurs attack), a All-Defensive talent, a young guard with the potential to be a long-term starter in the NBA, and the 19 Sac pick that could be top 5.
I think you could argue that is better assets than what the Spurs would want from the Sixers (they won't want Fultz because the Spurs were one of the first teams that considered personality as part of their scouting process). Covington roughly equals Marcus Smart (depending on your personal preference), Saric roughly equals Rozier (depending on your personal preference), and the 2018 Sac pick is better than any draft picks the Sixers can offer.
Eastern Teams like the Heat, Cavs, Bucks, Raptors, Pacers, and Wizards can all make an offer with comparable or better rotation players, but worse draft assets.
The Cs are probably in the mix, but the above trade means they have an unbalanced roster and it pushes Brown or Hayward to come off the bench. They'd need to still sign another big (Baynes, Monroe, or O'Quinn) and a couple point guards (Larkin, Evans, etc.).
If Ainge pulls the trigger, I could get on board with it, but I'm completely fine with the current roster next season.
Were giving up all these guys who is are bench? Yabu semi theis Larkin and brown/Tatum? Yeesh
Is it safe to assume that nothing is going to happen before Thursday, and even then, it might take some time to shake out?
Mike
This might sound like a dumb question but are we for sure accepting the fact that Popovich is willing to tear it down and go full rebuild at this stage in his career?
A lot of the trade offers include mostly young players but no real veteran/ready to play guys. They made the playoffs last year with what they had minus Leonard. I kind of wouldn't be surprised if they did something out of left field and went after some plug and play type of players and see what happens.
Following on from my previous post... Do we assume that the Spurs want to rebuild when trading Kawhi? A lot of offers (Lakers, Philly) are based around that concept. But what if they don't? Here's 3 skeleton trades that could happen:
1. Bradley Beal / John Wall for Kawhi Leonard and a future 1st.
Why: Wall and Beal don't seem to function well together. Washington can choose which one to move for Kawhi and realistically they get better either way. SAS put in a 1st because of the uncertainty over Kawhi.
2. Demar DeRozan + OG Anunoby for Kawhi Leonard and Patty Mills
Why: Also works with Danny Green if he opts in. Toronto need to try something different to compete. They are stuck where they are, this either goes well or gives them the trigger to rebuild.
3. S&T DeMarcus Cousins and Solomon Hill + future first for Kawhi Leonard
Why: Actually..really not sure but what the hell, that NOP team looks mint... Cousins is talented and Pop has worked with him so maybe..big risk though.
I'd say a deal is already in place that lands Kawhi in LA with Lebron. Probably a 3 team deal, I'll throw out an example:They aren't going anywhere with that two young guys and aging LMA, against Laker/Warriors/Celtics
Spurs get: Josh Jackson, Brandon Ingram, #16 overall, Channing Frye contract
Lakers: Kawhi, Troy Daniels
Suns: Lonzo Ball, Kuzma, considerations...
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.
I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.
Not sure, that trade basically ruined the Knicks chances of building a contender with Carmelo, teams since have avoided giving up that many pieces in trades.
Really we should be looking at what Kyrie went for or what Deron Williams went for. George and Butler went for pennies on the dollar and I don't think we see that repeated with Kawhi.
Williams went for Favors, Devon Harris and 2 first round picks, one of which was #3
Kyrie went for IT, Crowder, zizic and a nets pick (Nets had just finished with the worst record)
Phillys equivalent of the Williams trade would be Fultz + Covington + this years number 10 and a future pick, they'd likely have to add a bit more as the picks are worse and Fultz isn't as good as Favors was, plus Kawhi is a better player than Williams!
Equivalent to the Kyrie trade would be Saric, Covington, Luwawu, + a future high lottery pick that they don't currently have...
If I'm the Spurs I probably don't like either deal and I'd look elsewhere!
Let’s say Fultz, Covington, and the 10th pick is the starting point for the 76rs. Is that really any better than say S&T of Smart, Morris and either the Kings pick or the Grizzlies pick? I think it’s close but we can easily sweeten our offer. If we can hold onto Brown that would be great. Ha
Before we get to value, we need to remember the newish rule on sign and trades. The counting salary in a trade is half the salary for a s&t player. Kawhi earns roughly $19m, to match we would need about $15.5m. Morris is $5m, leaving $10.5m to match. That means the Spurs would need to be happy signing Smart to a $21m per year contract! I'm sure he'd be happy at least ;D
In order for salaries to work, and accounting for roster space, offers from the Cs either include Irving / Hayward or Brown, Morris and a s&t for Smart. I just don't see us doing that.
On value I think they are in the same ball park but what do the Spurs want? I think there are better deals out there than the 76ers offer unless they choose to include Simmons which is unlikely.
Washington could offer a package around Beal if the Spurs wish to remain competitive. New York can offer something decent as well. Cleveland is a dark horse if they can get a 3rd team involved, although unlikely. Also how about a Toronto package based around DeRozan? We all assume the Spurs would rebuild but that's not in their history.
Basically there are better youth packages than we can give without Brown and better compete now packages as well. I don't see us giving Brown for Kawhi so ultimately I think he ends up elsewhere
Following on from my previous post... Do we assume that the Spurs want to rebuild when trading Kawhi? A lot of offers (Lakers, Philly) are based around that concept. But what if they don't? Here's 3 skeleton trades that could happen:
1. Bradley Beal / John Wall for Kawhi Leonard and a future 1st.
Why: Wall and Beal don't seem to function well together. Washington can choose which one to move for Kawhi and realistically they get better either way. SAS put in a 1st because of the uncertainty over Kawhi.
2. Demar DeRozan + OG Anunoby for Kawhi Leonard and Patty Mills
Why: Also works with Danny Green if he opts in. Toronto need to try something different to compete. They are stuck where they are, this either goes well or gives them the trigger to rebuild.
3. S&T DeMarcus Cousins and Solomon Hill + future first for Kawhi Leonard
Why: Actually..really not sure but what the hell, that NOP team looks mint... Cousins is talented and Pop has worked with him so maybe..big risk though.
Following on from my previous post... Do we assume that the Spurs want to rebuild when trading Kawhi? A lot of offers (Lakers, Philly) are based around that concept. But what if they don't? Here's 3 skeleton trades that could happen:
1. Bradley Beal / John Wall for Kawhi Leonard and a future 1st.
Why: Wall and Beal don't seem to function well together. Washington can choose which one to move for Kawhi and realistically they get better either way. SAS put in a 1st because of the uncertainty over Kawhi.
2. Demar DeRozan + OG Anunoby for Kawhi Leonard and Patty Mills
Why: Also works with Danny Green if he opts in. Toronto need to try something different to compete. They are stuck where they are, this either goes well or gives them the trigger to rebuild.
3. S&T DeMarcus Cousins and Solomon Hill + future first for Kawhi Leonard
Why: Actually..really not sure but what the hell, that NOP team looks mint... Cousins is talented and Pop has worked with him so maybe..big risk though.
The Pelicans would be an intriguing landing spot for Kawhi. As most of us have noted, to go along with Holiday/Mirotic/Davis, adding an elite wing would do wonders for that team and make them contenders, even in the West.
I think Milwaukee is another possibility, as they could get Middleton + Parker + a pick, so you got an experienced but young player in Middleton and a potentially great prospect in Jabari Parker. Kind of a "win-now" and "rebuild" move at the same time. I honestly think Middleton is a bit underrated. Not saying that's the best package they'll get but I don't think the Spurs immediately hang up on it either.
Following on from my previous post... Do we assume that the Spurs want to rebuild when trading Kawhi? A lot of offers (Lakers, Philly) are based around that concept. But what if they don't? Here's 3 skeleton trades that could happen:
1. Bradley Beal / John Wall for Kawhi Leonard and a future 1st.
Why: Wall and Beal don't seem to function well together. Washington can choose which one to move for Kawhi and realistically they get better either way. SAS put in a 1st because of the uncertainty over Kawhi.
2. Demar DeRozan + OG Anunoby for Kawhi Leonard and Patty Mills
Why: Also works with Danny Green if he opts in. Toronto need to try something different to compete. They are stuck where they are, this either goes well or gives them the trigger to rebuild.
3. S&T DeMarcus Cousins and Solomon Hill + future first for Kawhi Leonard
Why: Actually..really not sure but what the hell, that NOP team looks mint... Cousins is talented and Pop has worked with him so maybe..big risk though.
The Wizards should try to do Wall for Kawhi and DeJounte Murray. That move would really get their franchise out of a rut.
Also, isn't it that the value of the sign and trade is valued at half the money going out but full value coming in. Example, if Smart signs a sign and trade for $14 million a year it counts as $7 million of going out salary but the Celtics still need to count it as needing to get $14 million in incoming salary.Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.
I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.
Not sure, that trade basically ruined the Knicks chances of building a contender with Carmelo, teams since have avoided giving up that many pieces in trades.
Really we should be looking at what Kyrie went for or what Deron Williams went for. George and Butler went for pennies on the dollar and I don't think we see that repeated with Kawhi.
Williams went for Favors, Devon Harris and 2 first round picks, one of which was #3
Kyrie went for IT, Crowder, zizic and a nets pick (Nets had just finished with the worst record)
Phillys equivalent of the Williams trade would be Fultz + Covington + this years number 10 and a future pick, they'd likely have to add a bit more as the picks are worse and Fultz isn't as good as Favors was, plus Kawhi is a better player than Williams!
Equivalent to the Kyrie trade would be Saric, Covington, Luwawu, + a future high lottery pick that they don't currently have...
If I'm the Spurs I probably don't like either deal and I'd look elsewhere!
Let’s say Fultz, Covington, and the 10th pick is the starting point for the 76rs. Is that really any better than say S&T of Smart, Morris and either the Kings pick or the Grizzlies pick? I think it’s close but we can easily sweeten our offer. If we can hold onto Brown that would be great. Ha
Before we get to value, we need to remember the newish rule on sign and trades. The counting salary in a trade is half the salary for a s&t player. Kawhi earns roughly $19m, to match we would need about $15.5m. Morris is $5m, leaving $10.5m to match. That means the Spurs would need to be happy signing Smart to a $21m per year contract! I'm sure he'd be happy at least ;D
In order for salaries to work, and accounting for roster space, offers from the Cs either include Irving / Hayward or Brown, Morris and a s&t for Smart. I just don't see us doing that.
On value I think they are in the same ball park but what do the Spurs want? I think there are better deals out there than the 76ers offer unless they choose to include Simmons which is unlikely.
Washington could offer a package around Beal if the Spurs wish to remain competitive. New York can offer something decent as well. Cleveland is a dark horse if they can get a 3rd team involved, although unlikely. Also how about a Toronto package based around DeRozan? We all assume the Spurs would rebuild but that's not in their history.
Basically there are better youth packages than we can give without Brown and better compete now packages as well. I don't see us giving Brown for Kawhi so ultimately I think he ends up elsewhere
Um, this rule has been around since at least the 1999 CBA, when it applied to players who were traded within 2 years of signing a new contract using Bird or Early Bird rights. In the 2005 CBA it was limited to trades within the first 6 months of a contract, and since the 2011 CBA it only applies to sign-and-trades. It’s probably older than some posters here. It’s a month older than Luka Doncic!
Also, isn't it that the value of the sign and trade is valued at half the money going out but full value coming in. Example, if Smart signs a sign and trade for $14 million a year it counts as $7 million of going out salary but the Celtics still need to count it as needing to get $14 million in incoming salary.Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.
I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.
Not sure, that trade basically ruined the Knicks chances of building a contender with Carmelo, teams since have avoided giving up that many pieces in trades.
Really we should be looking at what Kyrie went for or what Deron Williams went for. George and Butler went for pennies on the dollar and I don't think we see that repeated with Kawhi.
Williams went for Favors, Devon Harris and 2 first round picks, one of which was #3
Kyrie went for IT, Crowder, zizic and a nets pick (Nets had just finished with the worst record)
Phillys equivalent of the Williams trade would be Fultz + Covington + this years number 10 and a future pick, they'd likely have to add a bit more as the picks are worse and Fultz isn't as good as Favors was, plus Kawhi is a better player than Williams!
Equivalent to the Kyrie trade would be Saric, Covington, Luwawu, + a future high lottery pick that they don't currently have...
If I'm the Spurs I probably don't like either deal and I'd look elsewhere!
Let’s say Fultz, Covington, and the 10th pick is the starting point for the 76rs. Is that really any better than say S&T of Smart, Morris and either the Kings pick or the Grizzlies pick? I think it’s close but we can easily sweeten our offer. If we can hold onto Brown that would be great. Ha
Before we get to value, we need to remember the newish rule on sign and trades. The counting salary in a trade is half the salary for a s&t player. Kawhi earns roughly $19m, to match we would need about $15.5m. Morris is $5m, leaving $10.5m to match. That means the Spurs would need to be happy signing Smart to a $21m per year contract! I'm sure he'd be happy at least ;D
In order for salaries to work, and accounting for roster space, offers from the Cs either include Irving / Hayward or Brown, Morris and a s&t for Smart. I just don't see us doing that.
On value I think they are in the same ball park but what do the Spurs want? I think there are better deals out there than the 76ers offer unless they choose to include Simmons which is unlikely.
Washington could offer a package around Beal if the Spurs wish to remain competitive. New York can offer something decent as well. Cleveland is a dark horse if they can get a 3rd team involved, although unlikely. Also how about a Toronto package based around DeRozan? We all assume the Spurs would rebuild but that's not in their history.
Basically there are better youth packages than we can give without Brown and better compete now packages as well. I don't see us giving Brown for Kawhi so ultimately I think he ends up elsewhere
Um, this rule has been around since at least the 1999 CBA, when it applied to players who were traded within 2 years of signing a new contract using Bird or Early Bird rights. In the 2005 CBA it was limited to trades within the first 6 months of a contract, and since the 2011 CBA it only applies to sign-and-trades. It’s probably older than some posters here. It’s a month older than Luka Doncic!
I think Kawhi wants to be in LA. Clippers or Lakers. He's won. He'll get paid.
I'm not sure teams should be trading valuable assets for a Kawhi rental. Is he ready to play 80% of the games as a mercenary in Toronto or Milwaukee or wherever?
I don't think that SA will trade him to LAL. He may be taking the scenic route to the Lakers like Paul George.
I think Kawhi for Fultz + Covington, etc makes sense.
TP. Thanks. I thought so. I see a lot of people doing sign and trade ideas with Smart and are getting this wrong when figuring out matching salaries.Also, isn't it that the value of the sign and trade is valued at half the money going out but full value coming in. Example, if Smart signs a sign and trade for $14 million a year it counts as $7 million of going out salary but the Celtics still need to count it as needing to get $14 million in incoming salary.Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.
I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.
Not sure, that trade basically ruined the Knicks chances of building a contender with Carmelo, teams since have avoided giving up that many pieces in trades.
Really we should be looking at what Kyrie went for or what Deron Williams went for. George and Butler went for pennies on the dollar and I don't think we see that repeated with Kawhi.
Williams went for Favors, Devon Harris and 2 first round picks, one of which was #3
Kyrie went for IT, Crowder, zizic and a nets pick (Nets had just finished with the worst record)
Phillys equivalent of the Williams trade would be Fultz + Covington + this years number 10 and a future pick, they'd likely have to add a bit more as the picks are worse and Fultz isn't as good as Favors was, plus Kawhi is a better player than Williams!
Equivalent to the Kyrie trade would be Saric, Covington, Luwawu, + a future high lottery pick that they don't currently have...
If I'm the Spurs I probably don't like either deal and I'd look elsewhere!
Let’s say Fultz, Covington, and the 10th pick is the starting point for the 76rs. Is that really any better than say S&T of Smart, Morris and either the Kings pick or the Grizzlies pick? I think it’s close but we can easily sweeten our offer. If we can hold onto Brown that would be great. Ha
Before we get to value, we need to remember the newish rule on sign and trades. The counting salary in a trade is half the salary for a s&t player. Kawhi earns roughly $19m, to match we would need about $15.5m. Morris is $5m, leaving $10.5m to match. That means the Spurs would need to be happy signing Smart to a $21m per year contract! I'm sure he'd be happy at least ;D
In order for salaries to work, and accounting for roster space, offers from the Cs either include Irving / Hayward or Brown, Morris and a s&t for Smart. I just don't see us doing that.
On value I think they are in the same ball park but what do the Spurs want? I think there are better deals out there than the 76ers offer unless they choose to include Simmons which is unlikely.
Washington could offer a package around Beal if the Spurs wish to remain competitive. New York can offer something decent as well. Cleveland is a dark horse if they can get a 3rd team involved, although unlikely. Also how about a Toronto package based around DeRozan? We all assume the Spurs would rebuild but that's not in their history.
Basically there are better youth packages than we can give without Brown and better compete now packages as well. I don't see us giving Brown for Kawhi so ultimately I think he ends up elsewhere
Um, this rule has been around since at least the 1999 CBA, when it applied to players who were traded within 2 years of signing a new contract using Bird or Early Bird rights. In the 2005 CBA it was limited to trades within the first 6 months of a contract, and since the 2011 CBA it only applies to sign-and-trades. It’s probably older than some posters here. It’s a month older than Luka Doncic!
Yes, that’s correct. I didn’t read what Sundance wrote, other than he called it newish.
According to Lifshatz---whom you all seem to hate...Kawhi to Phoenix for Jackson & #1 Pick ?
Deal would get done this week if true.
Pop should do it.
According to Lifshatz---whom you all seem to hate...Kawhi to Phoenix for Jackson & #1 Pick ?
Deal would get done this week if true.
Pop should do it.
Why would Phoenix do that for a 1-year rental. It's GM suicide.
According to Lifshatz---whom you all seem to hate...Kawhi to Phoenix for Jackson & #1 Pick ?
Deal would get done this week if true.
Pop should do it.
Why would Phoenix do that for a 1-year rental. It's GM suicide.
Yeah, someone tell me why any team would give up a top pick/promising young player for a guy that's headed to LA. Makes no sense to me.
According to Lifshatz---whom you all seem to hate...Kawhi to Phoenix for Jackson & #1 Pick ?
Deal would get done this week if true.
Pop should do it.
Why would Phoenix do that for a 1-year rental. It's GM suicide.
Yeah, someone tell me why any team would give up a top pick/promising young player for a guy that's headed to LA. Makes no sense to me.
That obviously kills a Fultz/Covington package. PHX is relatively close to LA so maybe they could convince Kawhi to stay. It would allow him to be in the spotlight when he wants, but not be immersed in it. Personally, I would LOVE it if Kawhi went to PHX!
You don't get Kawhi for 5 years.... you likely get him for one before he bolts for LA. I doubt SA can do much better than that.I think Kawhi wants to be in LA. Clippers or Lakers. He's won. He'll get paid.
I'm not sure teams should be trading valuable assets for a Kawhi rental. Is he ready to play 80% of the games as a mercenary in Toronto or Milwaukee or wherever?
I don't think that SA will trade him to LAL. He may be taking the scenic route to the Lakers like Paul George.
I think Kawhi for Fultz + Covington, etc makes sense.
It's not GM Phil Jackson it is Popovich. Fultz & Covington? ??? ::) :P :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
According to Lifshatz---whom you all seem to hate...Kawhi to Phoenix for Jackson & #1 Pick ?
Deal would get done this week if true.
Pop should do it.
Why would Phoenix do that for a 1-year rental. It's GM suicide.
Yeah, someone tell me why any team would give up a top pick/promising young player for a guy that's headed to LA. Makes no sense to me.
According to Lifshatz---whom you all seem to hate...Kawhi to Phoenix for Jackson & #1 Pick ?
Deal would get done this week if true.
Pop should do it.
Why would Phoenix do that for a 1-year rental. It's GM suicide.
Yeah, someone tell me why any team would give up a top pick/promising young player for a guy that's headed to LA. Makes no sense to me.
That obviously kills a Fultz/Covington package. PHX is relatively close to LA so maybe they could convince Kawhi to stay. It would allow him to be in the spotlight when he wants, but not be immersed in it. Personally, I would LOVE it if Kawhi went to PHX!
Convincing someone to stay that wants to play at home.... I don't know about that. Seems like a risky strategy.
If Ryan McDonough thinks that Ayton has a high motor, I think he's picking the big man.
If Kawhi really is a top 5 player (I concede he's def top 10 when healthy), he can basically pick which team he wants to play for. I don't think there's going to be much room for convincing.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250231/spurs-not-interested-in-lonzo-ball
As widely expected, and also from Woj's earlier Tweet, Spurs are NOT interested in Lonzo.
So LAL will certainly have to give up Kuzma and Ingram in a Leonard trade, and maybe even an extra asset since it's pretty well-known Leonard's ideal destination is LA and he's likely to re-sign there.
It also makes sense because after what the Spurs went through all year with the Kawhi saga and such... the last thing they want to do is create more drama and bring LaVar's big head into SA :laugh:
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250231/spurs-not-interested-in-lonzo-ball
As widely expected, and also from Woj's earlier Tweet, Spurs are NOT interested in Lonzo.
So LAL will certainly have to give up Kuzma and Ingram in a Leonard trade, and maybe even an extra asset since it's pretty well-known Leonard's ideal destination is LA and he's likely to re-sign there.
It also makes sense because after what the Spurs went through all year with the Kawhi saga and such... the last thing they want to do is create more drama and bring LaVar's big head into SA :laugh:
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250231/spurs-not-interested-in-lonzo-ball
As widely expected, and also from Woj's earlier Tweet, Spurs are NOT interested in Lonzo.
So LAL will certainly have to give up Kuzma and Ingram in a Leonard trade, and maybe even an extra asset since it's pretty well-known Leonard's ideal destination is LA and he's likely to re-sign there.
It also makes sense because after what the Spurs went through all year with the Kawhi saga and such... the last thing they want to do is create more drama and bring LaVar's big head into SA :laugh:
They probably won't give the Spurs Kuzma and Ingram without including Luol Deng's contract.
But Kawhi is Laker-bound regardless either next season or in 2019, so the Lakers do not have to give the Spurs anything; the Lakers hold the advantage right now.
This is what I was about to say. Kawhi could be destined for elsewhere.https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250231/spurs-not-interested-in-lonzo-ball
As widely expected, and also from Woj's earlier Tweet, Spurs are NOT interested in Lonzo.
So LAL will certainly have to give up Kuzma and Ingram in a Leonard trade, and maybe even an extra asset since it's pretty well-known Leonard's ideal destination is LA and he's likely to re-sign there.
It also makes sense because after what the Spurs went through all year with the Kawhi saga and such... the last thing they want to do is create more drama and bring LaVar's big head into SA :laugh:
They probably won't give the Spurs Kuzma and Ingram without including Luol Deng's contract.
But Kawhi is Laker-bound regardless either next season or in 2019, so the Lakers do not have to give the Spurs anything; the Lakers hold the advantage right now.
Not if the Lakers get LeBron and PG13.
Maybe I'm the only one but I can't get excited about a Kawhi trade whatsoever. I mean a guy who laid down for an entire season, quit on his teammates, clearly wants LA or NY.
Just don't understand what the big appeal is. Yeah he's good but the guy is also a whiny and entitled beyond belief...
Maybe I'm the only one but I can't get excited about a Kawhi trade whatsoever. I mean a guy who laid down for an entire season, quit on his teammates, clearly wants LA or NY.
Just don't understand what the big appeal is. Yeah he's good but the guy is also a whiny and entitled beyond belief...
I agree. Something is just not right when a guy disappears for a whole year in the prime of his career with what is supposed to be a minor injury, while playing for one of the most well respected coaches in the league on a first class organization.
its called strong arm negotiationsMaybe I'm the only one but I can't get excited about a Kawhi trade whatsoever. I mean a guy who laid down for an entire season, quit on his teammates, clearly wants LA or NY.
Just don't understand what the big appeal is. Yeah he's good but the guy is also a whiny and entitled beyond belief...
I agree. Something is just not right when a guy disappears for a whole year in the prime of his career with what is supposed to be a minor injury, while playing for one of the most well respected coaches in the league on a first class organization.
its called strong arm negotiationsMaybe I'm the only one but I can't get excited about a Kawhi trade whatsoever. I mean a guy who laid down for an entire season, quit on his teammates, clearly wants LA or NY.
Just don't understand what the big appeal is. Yeah he's good but the guy is also a whiny and entitled beyond belief...
I agree. Something is just not right when a guy disappears for a whole year in the prime of his career with what is supposed to be a minor injury, while playing for one of the most well respected coaches in the league on a first class organization.
He probably wanted to be traded a long time ago and the spurs didn’t do it, so he retaliated
I don’t see anything wrong
its called strong arm negotiationsMaybe I'm the only one but I can't get excited about a Kawhi trade whatsoever. I mean a guy who laid down for an entire season, quit on his teammates, clearly wants LA or NY.
Just don't understand what the big appeal is. Yeah he's good but the guy is also a whiny and entitled beyond belief...
I agree. Something is just not right when a guy disappears for a whole year in the prime of his career with what is supposed to be a minor injury, while playing for one of the most well respected coaches in the league on a first class organization.
He probably wanted to be traded a long time ago and the spurs didn’t do it, so he retaliated
I don’t see anything wrong
so every player has to like pop because he’s a future Hall of famer ? Kawhi is rumored to not like pop for many reasonsits called strong arm negotiationsMaybe I'm the only one but I can't get excited about a Kawhi trade whatsoever. I mean a guy who laid down for an entire season, quit on his teammates, clearly wants LA or NY.
Just don't understand what the big appeal is. Yeah he's good but the guy is also a whiny and entitled beyond belief...
I agree. Something is just not right when a guy disappears for a whole year in the prime of his career with what is supposed to be a minor injury, while playing for one of the most well respected coaches in the league on a first class organization.
He probably wanted to be traded a long time ago and the spurs didn’t do it, so he retaliated
I don’t see anything wrong
There’s a lot wrong with that. The Spurs are a top rate organization, his teammates and coach are future hall of famers, the organization wanted to make him the face of the franchise going forward and pay him the super max, and he wants to leave and sits out an entire season, bailing on his teammates?
That’s not the type of player I want to invest in.
I mean, if he doesn’t value being the man on a winning organization with a great coach, then why would we think he would be happy to stay here if we give up assets for him?
so every player has to like pop because he’s a future Hall of famer ? Kawhi is rumored to not like pop for many reasonsits called strong arm negotiationsMaybe I'm the only one but I can't get excited about a Kawhi trade whatsoever. I mean a guy who laid down for an entire season, quit on his teammates, clearly wants LA or NY.
Just don't understand what the big appeal is. Yeah he's good but the guy is also a whiny and entitled beyond belief...
I agree. Something is just not right when a guy disappears for a whole year in the prime of his career with what is supposed to be a minor injury, while playing for one of the most well respected coaches in the league on a first class organization.
He probably wanted to be traded a long time ago and the spurs didn’t do it, so he retaliated
I don’t see anything wrong
There’s a lot wrong with that. The Spurs are a top rate organization, his teammates and coach are future hall of famers, the organization wanted to make him the face of the franchise going forward and pay him the super max, and he wants to leave and sits out an entire season, bailing on his teammates?
That’s not the type of player I want to invest in.
I mean, if he doesn’t value being the man on a winning organization with a great coach, then why would we think he would be happy to stay here if we give up assets for him?
Maybe I'm the only one but I can't get excited about a Kawhi trade whatsoever. I mean a guy who laid down for an entire season, quit on his teammates, clearly wants LA or NY.
Just don't understand what the big appeal is. Yeah he's good but the guy is also a whiny and entitled beyond belief...
I agree. Something is just not right when a guy disappears for a whole year in the prime of his career with what is supposed to be a minor injury, while playing for one of the most well respected coaches in the league on a first class organization.
its rumored that he didn’t like the training staff for bringing him back only to get reinjured in 1 game, didn’t loke Parker for throwing him under the bus, didn’t like pop for practices and bad communicationso every player has to like pop because he’s a future Hall of famer ? Kawhi is rumored to not like pop for many reasonsits called strong arm negotiationsMaybe I'm the only one but I can't get excited about a Kawhi trade whatsoever. I mean a guy who laid down for an entire season, quit on his teammates, clearly wants LA or NY.
Just don't understand what the big appeal is. Yeah he's good but the guy is also a whiny and entitled beyond belief...
I agree. Something is just not right when a guy disappears for a whole year in the prime of his career with what is supposed to be a minor injury, while playing for one of the most well respected coaches in the league on a first class organization.
He probably wanted to be traded a long time ago and the spurs didn’t do it, so he retaliated
I don’t see anything wrong
There’s a lot wrong with that. The Spurs are a top rate organization, his teammates and coach are future hall of famers, the organization wanted to make him the face of the franchise going forward and pay him the super max, and he wants to leave and sits out an entire season, bailing on his teammates?
That’s not the type of player I want to invest in.
I mean, if he doesn’t value being the man on a winning organization with a great coach, then why would we think he would be happy to stay here if we give up assets for him?
No one should lay down on the job just because they "don't like" their coach. You keep playing hard, and then leave when you get a chance..
One team that has good enough assets ... I hope doesn't win in the Leonard sweepstakes is the KnicksI'd be disappointed with that return if I'm the Spurs. Ntilikina is nice, but not a high ceiling IMO. Hardaway is mediocre at best. You can probably find a nice prospect at 9, but no guarantee. I'd be holding out for a combination of players like Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Jackson, Jaylen... maybe 2 guys of that caliber and future picks. The Lakers have to go all in to land Kawhi or PG13 to secure Lebron.
9th, Frank N, Hardaway Jr , future 1st for Leonard
Bc this could really entice Irving to leave for the Knicks next season if the Celts dont win the championship
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There is no way in hell I send out Brown, a pick AND Hayward or Kyrie.
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With the #NBADraft Kawhi Leonard's shadow is looming both the Sixers and Celtics are options but his stated preference is LA. Celtics deal could be Hayward or Irving and Brown with a pick. Sixers offer on the table is Fultz, Saric, and a 1st rounder.
There is no way in hell I send out Brown, a pick AND Hayward or Kyrie.
ProbasketballdraftWho is @probasketballdraft? Some guy with 250 followers? I think guys here at CB have more credence than this guy
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With the #NBADraft Kawhi Leonard's shadow is looming both the Sixers and Celtics are options but his stated preference is LA. Celtics deal could be Hayward or Irving and Brown with a pick. Sixers offer on the table is Fultz, Saric, and a 1st rounder.
There is no way in hell I send out Brown, a pick AND Hayward or Kyrie.
One team that has good enough assets ... I hope doesn't win in the Leonard sweepstakes is the Knicks
9th, Frank N, Hardaway Jr , future 1st for Leonard
Bc this could really entice Irving to leave for the Knicks next season if the Celts dont win the championship
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With the #NBADraft Kawhi Leonard's shadow is looming both the Sixers and Celtics are options but his stated preference is LA. Celtics deal could be Hayward or Irving and Brown with a pick. Sixers offer on the table is Fultz, Saric, and a 1st rounder.
There is no way in hell I send out Brown, a pick AND Hayward or Kyrie.
One team that has good enough assets ... I hope doesn't win in the Leonard sweepstakes is the Knicks
9th, Frank N, Hardaway Jr , future 1st for Leonard
Bc this could really entice Irving to leave for the Knicks next season if the Celts dont win the championship
Oops. Read wrong. He is following 250 others. My bad.ProbasketballdraftWho is @probasketballdraft? Some guy with 250 followers? I think guys here at CB have more credence than this guy
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With the #NBADraft Kawhi Leonard's shadow is looming both the Sixers and Celtics are options but his stated preference is LA. Celtics deal could be Hayward or Irving and Brown with a pick. Sixers offer on the table is Fultz, Saric, and a 1st rounder.
There is no way in hell I send out Brown, a pick AND Hayward or Kyrie.
17K followers...just passing on the info I see...
One team that has good enough assets ... I hope doesn't win in the Leonard sweepstakes is the Knicks
9th, Frank N, Hardaway Jr , future 1st for Leonard
Bc this could really entice Irving to leave for the Knicks next season if the Celts dont win the championship
Wonder what their cap situation will allow for?
Can they still stretch Noah’s $19M salary (I doubt they can move him)? Can they afford to give max salaries to Porzingis (assuming he comes back as effective), Kawhi AND Irving?
Oops. Read wrong. He is following 250 others. My bad.ProbasketballdraftWho is @probasketballdraft? Some guy with 250 followers? I think guys here at CB have more credence than this guy
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With the #NBADraft Kawhi Leonard's shadow is looming both the Sixers and Celtics are options but his stated preference is LA. Celtics deal could be Hayward or Irving and Brown with a pick. Sixers offer on the table is Fultz, Saric, and a 1st rounder.
There is no way in hell I send out Brown, a pick AND Hayward or Kyrie.
17K followers...just passing on the info I see...
Still never heard of the guy.
Oops. Read wrong. He is following 250 others. My bad.ProbasketballdraftWho is @probasketballdraft? Some guy with 250 followers? I think guys here at CB have more credence than this guy
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With the #NBADraft Kawhi Leonard's shadow is looming both the Sixers and Celtics are options but his stated preference is LA. Celtics deal could be Hayward or Irving and Brown with a pick. Sixers offer on the table is Fultz, Saric, and a 1st rounder.
There is no way in hell I send out Brown, a pick AND Hayward or Kyrie.
17K followers...just passing on the info I see...
Still never heard of the guy.
One of the things throwing me off on that account's bio is the link to sherdianhoops.com. That site "shut down" in 2016. Why still link to it in your bio? To see archives? Just weird.
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With the #NBADraft Kawhi Leonard's shadow is looming both the Sixers and Celtics are options but his stated preference is LA. Celtics deal could be Hayward or Irving and Brown with a pick. Sixers offer on the table is Fultz, Saric, and a 1st rounder.
There is no way in hell I send out Brown, a pick AND Hayward or Kyrie.
Bet he has a lot more now. ::)
Seriously, though, does sound like a good marketing campaign. I should send out a tweet
With the #NBADraft days away, sounds like Spurs have decided to send Leonard, their 2020 first and their 2022 first to the Celtics for Yabu, the rights to Sullinger and a really big hot dog from the concession stand. Not one of the minis. One of those jumbo guys that sells for $10. Commish Silver agreeing to waive salary matching restrictions.
Wonder how many times one could get that retweeted?
Mike
If Ainge deals Kyrie or Hayward AND Jaylen Brown along with a pick FOR Kawhi Leonard, I expect the City of Boston to make him run for his life and make sure he is not seen again anywhere near the state of Massachusetts.
I am not giving up two stars and a valuable pick for a player who played only 9 games last season and who will bolt to the Lakers in a year because he has his mind set for Los Angeles.
One team that has good enough assets ... I hope doesn't win in the Leonard sweepstakes is the Knicks
9th, Frank N, Hardaway Jr , future 1st for Leonard
Bc this could really entice Irving to leave for the Knicks next season if the Celts dont win the championship
Wonder what their cap situation will allow for?
Can they still stretch Noah’s $19M salary (I doubt they can move him)? Can they afford to give max salaries to Porzingis (assuming he comes back as effective), Kawhi AND Irving?
Sure, if they were able to move Hardaway for Leonard they could make it work. They’d have to dump the last year of Courtney Lee as well next summer, in addition to stretching Noah. And it would be one of those situations where you’ve got your three stars, a bunch of minimum players, are done a draft pick or two in the future, and are capped out.
But I really can’t see San Antonio taking that package. Hardaway isn’t doing anything for them other than taking up a lot of cap space for a long time. Kanter’s expiring makes more sense.
Tom Penn on ESPN just said it was not worth Boston going after Leonard. Too much money and it imbalances their roster if Kyrie was moved.
Said stay the course because they are good enough as is
One team that has good enough assets ... I hope doesn't win in the Leonard sweepstakes is the Knicks
9th, Frank N, Hardaway Jr , future 1st for Leonard
Bc this could really entice Irving to leave for the Knicks next season if the Celts dont win the championship
Wonder what their cap situation will allow for?
Can they still stretch Noah’s $19M salary (I doubt they can move him)? Can they afford to give max salaries to Porzingis (assuming he comes back as effective), Kawhi AND Irving?
Sure, if they were able to move Hardaway for Leonard they could make it work. They’d have to dump the last year of Courtney Lee as well next summer, in addition to stretching Noah. And it would be one of those situations where you’ve got your three stars, a bunch of minimum players, are done a draft pick or two in the future, and are capped out.
But I really can’t see San Antonio taking that package. Hardaway isn’t doing anything for them other than taking up a lot of cap space for a long time. Kanter’s expiring makes more sense.
Tom Penn on ESPN just said it was not worth Boston going after Leonard. Too much money and it imbalances their roster if Kyrie was moved.
Said stay the course because they are good enough as is
Scary thought
Sacramento Kings smoke something special and trade #2 and a few young players for Leonard =T
Scary thought
Sacramento Kings smoke something special and trade #2 and a few young players for Leonard =T
Scary thought
Sacramento Kings smoke something special and trade #2 and a few young players for Leonard =T
And then Kawhi Leonard bolts for the Lakers. What a scary thought indeed.
Scary thought
Sacramento Kings smoke something special and trade #2 and a few young players for Leonard =T
They would still manage to lose a ton of games. Leonard would play half-assed if he even plays, and the chemistry on that team would be awful.
Scary thought
Sacramento Kings smoke something special and trade #2 and a few young players for Leonard =T
And then Kawhi Leonard bolts for the Lakers. What a scary thought indeed.
In the meantime our 2019 pick tanks
Spurs' Kawhi Leonard and Gregg Popovich met on Tuesday in San Diego, league sources tell Yahoo.
Can see Kawhi after the meeting, looking skyward, rubbing his beard thinking:Spurs' Kawhi Leonard and Gregg Popovich met on Tuesday in San Diego, league sources tell Yahoo.
Like, omg! ::) Are they meeting for lunch/dinner and which restaurant will they choose? If just the right special isn't available that day, will Kawhi simply get up and leave, and who pays for everything? Will they arrive in separate cars and/or enter together? Will Pop want to reserve a private dining room at the Olive Garden but Leonard prefers Longhorn Steakhouse, and will everything ultimately be sabotaged by Kawhi's uncle wanting to go to Chuck E. Cheese, followed by Kawhi taking Pop on a shopping spree at DSW because shoes?
SO. MANY. QUESTIONS ::) ;D.
Spurs' Kawhi Leonard and Gregg Popovich met on Tuesday in San Diego, league sources tell Yahoo.
No thanks. Time to move on. Per Wojo:
Leonard wants a trade to Los Angeles, preferably the Lakers over the Clippers, league sources said. He has privately maintained that he no longer wants to play in San Antonio, and will eventually alert rival teams considering trades for him that his intentions are to sign in Los Angeles -- preferably with the Lakers -- when he can become a free agent in 2019, league sources said.
No thanks. Time to move on. Per Wojo:
Leonard wants a trade to Los Angeles, preferably the Lakers over the Clippers, league sources said. He has privately maintained that he no longer wants to play in San Antonio, and will eventually alert rival teams considering trades for him that his intentions are to sign in Los Angeles -- preferably with the Lakers -- when he can become a free agent in 2019, league sources said.
The meeting between the two faces of the Spurs’ franchise was done professionally and confidentially, league sources said.
The Spurs’ front office and Leonard’s representatives had been in communication since the season ended, and Leonard has been in contact with coach Gregg Popovich, league sources said. Leonard spent most of the second half of the season rehabbing his injury in New York, where his medical team was based and where he trained with Spurs staffers. He has returned close to full health from the lingering quad injury.
No thanks. Time to move on. Per Wojo:
Leonard wants a trade to Los Angeles, preferably the Lakers over the Clippers, league sources said. He has privately maintained that he no longer wants to play in San Antonio, and will eventually alert rival teams considering trades for him that his intentions are to sign in Los Angeles -- preferably with the Lakers -- when he can become a free agent in 2019, league sources said.
Where did you get this source?
I'm seriously not trusting Woj on this anymore.there is no best offer. Kawhi has certified he will go nowhere except the lakers or clips. No other team will separate from themselves anything of value for a rental
I was following his tweets and it's up and down. A hour ago, he mentioned that the meeting had begun, but Shams reported it ended with a good conversation. 30 minutes later, woj updates a few minutes later that the meeting had already ended a hour ago.
He's been conflicting in most of his tweets. So my assumption is that either Kawhi's camp is talking to woj, or something fishy is going on.
Either way, Pop can stand pat regardless. He can wait for the best offer. If LeBron goes to the Lakers, it would really be almost impossible to bring in Kawhi, unless the Spurs agree to take on Deng's contract, or LeBron doesn't take the max at all.
Can see Kawhi after the meeting, looking skyward, rubbing his beard thinking:Spurs' Kawhi Leonard and Gregg Popovich met on Tuesday in San Diego, league sources tell Yahoo.
Like, omg! ::) Are they meeting for lunch/dinner and which restaurant will they choose? If just the right special isn't available that day, will Kawhi simply get up and leave, and who pays for everything? Will they arrive in separate cars and/or enter together? Will Pop want to reserve a private dining room at the Olive Garden but Leonard prefers Longhorn Steakhouse, and will everything ultimately be sabotaged by Kawhi's uncle wanting to go to Chuck E. Cheese, followed by Kawhi taking Pop on a shopping spree at DSW because shoes?
SO. MANY. QUESTIONS ::) ;D.
I would rather have gone to Chipotle
I'm seriously not trusting Woj on this anymore.
I was following his tweets and it's up and down. A hour ago, he mentioned that the meeting had begun, but Shams reported it ended with a good conversation. 30 minutes later, woj updates a few minutes later that the meeting had already ended a hour ago.
He's been conflicting in most of his tweets. So my assumption is that either Kawhi's camp is talking to woj, or something fishy is going on.
Either way, Pop can stand pat regardless. He can wait for the best offer. If LeBron goes to the Lakers, it would really be almost impossible to bring in Kawhi, unless the Spurs agree to take on Deng's contract, or LeBron doesn't take the max at all.
I'm seriously not trusting Woj on this anymore.
I was following his tweets and it's up and down. A hour ago, he mentioned that the meeting had begun, but Shams reported it ended with a good conversation. 30 minutes later, woj updates a few minutes later that the meeting had already ended a hour ago.
He's been conflicting in most of his tweets. So my assumption is that either Kawhi's camp is talking to woj, or something fishy is going on.
Either way, Pop can stand pat regardless. He can wait for the best offer. If LeBron goes to the Lakers, it would really be almost impossible to bring in Kawhi, unless the Spurs agree to take on Deng's contract, or LeBron doesn't take the max at all.
So what you're saying is that Woj's Twitter, of late, has made for at least a bit of a...sham ;) ::) ;D *groan*?
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I'm seriously not trusting Woj on this anymore.
I was following his tweets and it's up and down. A hour ago, he mentioned that the meeting had begun, but Shams reported it ended with a good conversation. 30 minutes later, woj updates a few minutes later that the meeting had already ended a hour ago.
He's been conflicting in most of his tweets. So my assumption is that either Kawhi's camp is talking to woj, or something fishy is going on.
Either way, Pop can stand pat regardless. He can wait for the best offer. If LeBron goes to the Lakers, it would really be almost impossible to bring in Kawhi, unless the Spurs agree to take on Deng's contract, or LeBron doesn't take the max at all.
So what you're saying is that Woj's Twitter, of late, has made for at least a bit of a...sham ;) ::) ;D *groan*?
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BOO GET OFF THE STAGE!
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TP for your terrible joke.
Before I go to sleep, my thoughts are conflicted. There are two sides to the story but.. ultimately Kawhi shouldn't be letting his camp do all the talking.. it sounds strange but this is sort of the same scenario where you made a mistake, with your parents but you're an adult, and they cant punish or beat you. So you simply avoid talking to them.
Kawhi should be upfront or at least stop destroying his trade value so the Spurs can at least get something on return. It's sad how he's doing this to Pop. I'm confused but I just want to know where he heads. Kawhi could be the first domino, then PG, then LeBron, and DMC.
I'm seriously not trusting Woj on this anymore.there is no best offer. Kawhi has certified he will go nowhere except the lakers or clips. No other team will separate from themselves anything of value for a rental
I was following his tweets and it's up and down. A hour ago, he mentioned that the meeting had begun, but Shams reported it ended with a good conversation. 30 minutes later, woj updates a few minutes later that the meeting had already ended a hour ago.
He's been conflicting in most of his tweets. So my assumption is that either Kawhi's camp is talking to woj, or something fishy is going on.
Either way, Pop can stand pat regardless. He can wait for the best offer. If LeBron goes to the Lakers, it would really be almost impossible to bring in Kawhi, unless the Spurs agree to take on Deng's contract, or LeBron doesn't take the max at all.
You think woj completely fabricated this! Wow. What a conspiracy theory. Why would he ruin his name and rep? He doesn’t care about La
It’s such a weird situation the more I think about it.1. He doesn't want NY. WOJ has not said NY
The guy doesn’t want the lead dog limelight, but he only wants LA or NY? I don’t think he realizes how comfortable a situation he was in and how much credit goes to the organization for his success. Will he be able to handle the big market media of LA or NY? Can he handle the pressure that comes with the expectations?
If I was San Antonio, I wouldn’t succumb to his demands so quickly. Wait it out, let free agency play out and like Cleveland did with Kyrie, then find the best package.
If LeBron and PG13 or CP3 go to LAL, there goes his big threat of signing there next season. Then it’s LAC (who will always be second-fiddle) or the Knicks, only if neither team makes moves before then.
I wouldn’t be in such a rush unless they want to get high up into this draft.
Before I go to sleep, my thoughts are conflicted. There are two sides to the story but.. ultimately Kawhi shouldn't be letting his camp do all the talking.. it sounds strange but this is sort of the same scenario where you made a mistake, with your parents but you're an adult, and they cant punish or beat you. So you simply avoid talking to them.2 sides to what story? Who made a mistake?
Kawhi should be upfront or at least stop destroying his trade value so the Spurs can at least get something on return. It's sad how he's doing this to Pop. I'm confused but I just want to know where he heads. Kawhi could be the first domino, then PG, then LeBron, and DMC.
Good luck getting the max in LA when there's no cap room. A little thing called economics gets in the way of that... If he cares about going to LA then he absolutely should care about trade valueBefore I go to sleep, my thoughts are conflicted. There are two sides to the story but.. ultimately Kawhi shouldn't be letting his camp do all the talking.. it sounds strange but this is sort of the same scenario where you made a mistake, with your parents but you're an adult, and they cant punish or beat you. So you simply avoid talking to them.2 sides to what story? Who made a mistake?
Kawhi should be upfront or at least stop destroying his trade value so the Spurs can at least get something on return. It's sad how he's doing this to Pop. I'm confused but I just want to know where he heads. Kawhi could be the first domino, then PG, then LeBron, and DMC.
Kawhi is done with san antonio. Leonard is angry over how the Spurs handled his quad rehab and is irate with public comments made by Tony Parker. He's going back home to LA. what mistake are you referring to, and why would kawhi care about his trade value? He's getting a max no matter what he's traded for. If anything he probably prefers the Lakers to remain stronger and retain assets
You know Woj isn't the only guy reporting on this right? And he's not the most reliable anymore.Yeah, he's been all over the place recently
You know Woj isn't the only guy reporting on this right? And he's not the most reliable anymore.
Before I go to sleep, my thoughts are conflicted. There are two sides to the story but.. ultimately Kawhi shouldn't be letting his camp do all the talking.. it sounds strange but this is sort of the same scenario where you made a mistake, with your parents but you're an adult, and they cant punish or beat you. So you simply avoid talking to them.2 sides to what story? Who made a mistake?
Kawhi should be upfront or at least stop destroying his trade value so the Spurs can at least get something on return. It's sad how he's doing this to Pop. I'm confused but I just want to know where he heads. Kawhi could be the first domino, then PG, then LeBron, and DMC.
Kawhi is done with san antonio. Leonard is angry over how the Spurs handled his quad rehab and is irate with public comments made by Tony Parker. He's going back home to LA. what mistake are you referring to, and why would kawhi care about his trade value? He's getting a max no matter what he's traded for. If anything he probably prefers the Lakers to remain stronger and retain assets
So he plans on signing as an FA in LA in 2019? So not getting traded this year? If I'm SA, I keep him and go all in. Not sure LAL or LAC will have cap room/be attractive at that point. Also, SA still can offer him super max.
Is there any confirmation that Leonard wants to play for the Lakers?
Ramona Shelburnei said all along that the Lakers will be the last team the Spurs will do business with
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Within the last week the Lakers contacted the Spurs to discuss a Kawhi Leonard trade. As one source put it, “they basically shut the door on us.”
we will see when kawhi sits out another season until the spurs move him to LARamona Shelburnei said all along that the Lakers will be the last team the Spurs will do business with
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Within the last week the Lakers contacted the Spurs to discuss a Kawhi Leonard trade. As one source put it, “they basically shut the door on us.”
I don't even get why someone wants to play for the Lakers. Like dude they suck lol. Ingram/Ball/Kuzma are the best players they have on their team... Let that sink in. That's not even including Josh Hart, (who I swear Lakers fans think he's the next PG-13,) and Randle who is a great bruiser, but still can't shoot, and his defense is still sub-par.
LA is home seems to be a big reason this time.I don't even get why someone wants to play for the Lakers. Like dude they suck lol. Ingram/Ball/Kuzma are the best players they have on their team... Let that sink in. That's not even including Josh Hart, (who I swear Lakers fans think he's the next PG-13,) and Randle who is a great bruiser, but still can't shoot, and his defense is still sub-par.
I think it's more about the surrounding culture of playing for the Lakers. 16 championships, Kobe Bryant, the city, Hollywood, warm-weather, beaches, food, party/clubbing life etc etc is what attracts these players and stars. ::)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2782624-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-spurs-prefer-to-send-star-to-eastern-conference
Interesting report that the Spurs won't trade Kawhi out West.
Ultimately, I expect them to keep him and try to work it out with him, but it also does worry me, as that makes a place like Philly a prime target for San Antonio. I don't think either Cleveland or New York has enough to get him, but they also become targets, too.
As the Sixers, I definitely wouldn't give up all that for Kawhi without a strong indication that he'd re-sign. Even if he gave it, I'm not sure I'd trust his word at this point. There is also his health uncertainty.http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2782624-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-spurs-prefer-to-send-star-to-eastern-conference
Interesting report that the Spurs won't trade Kawhi out West.
Ultimately, I expect them to keep him and try to work it out with him, but it also does worry me, as that makes a place like Philly a prime target for San Antonio. I don't think either Cleveland or New York has enough to get him, but they also become targets, too.
I kind of get the feeling now that he actually stays in San Antonio and they work it out. That said, Kawhi's seriously got to man up and stand up to his uncle, who I'm pretty sure is the one fueling the fire out of "Kawhi's camp". ::)
New York could flip Ntilikina (who Pop loves), Knox, a player like Hardaway and some future pick and that could get it done. I think Kawhi would be willing to play in NYK long term according to Begley. So Clippers, Lakers and Knicks could take the risk knowing he'd re-sign long term.
The other thing though, I'm not sure Philly is willing to take the risk of making a trade for Kawhi and seeing him bolt a year later (like the Celtics are thinking). Give up Fultz + Smith + 2021 Heat Pick + Saric for a rental not guaranteed to re-up long term? Yikes. Same thing with us if we gave up Jaylen + Grizz/Kings Pick in a package for a rental. YIKES.
What if Philly trades for Kawhi with the thought it can bring LeBron with him through FA? That’s the only scary thought I have in this.
Btw listening to Brett Brown on the radio the other day he basically admitted the only reason they traded Mikal Bridges was for that Heat pick to potentially use in a trade for a star player.
What if Philly trades for Kawhi with the thought it can bring LeBron with him through FA? That’s the only scary thought I have in this.Really like Coach Brown. He's a good face for their franchise. Comes across as honest and straightforward and open. I'd think they'd wait until free agency to discuss the possibilities with Lebron before making a move on Kawhi or anyone else.
Btw listening to Brett Brown on the radio the other day he basically admitted the only reason they traded Mikal Bridges was for that Heat pick to potentially use in a trade for a star player.
Getting Lebron may actually be a negative for Kawhi assuming that he's looking to get a bit more media attention and a big shoe deal. Kawhi, Simmons and Embiid would be billed as a big 3. If they get Lebron, most of the media attention would be on Lebron.What if Philly trades for Kawhi with the thought it can bring LeBron with him through FA? That’s the only scary thought I have in this.
Btw listening to Brett Brown on the radio the other day he basically admitted the only reason they traded Mikal Bridges was for that Heat pick to potentially use in a trade for a star player.
They don’t need Lebron. Kawhi enough to make them dangerous.
Getting Lebron may actually be a negative for Kawhi assuming that he's looking to get a bit more media attention and a big shoe deal. Kawhi, Simmons and Embiid would be billed as a big 3. If they get Lebron, most of the media attention would be on Lebron.What if Philly trades for Kawhi with the thought it can bring LeBron with him through FA? That’s the only scary thought I have in this.
Btw listening to Brett Brown on the radio the other day he basically admitted the only reason they traded Mikal Bridges was for that Heat pick to potentially use in a trade for a star player.
They don’t need Lebron. Kawhi enough to make them dangerous.
Although trading for Kawhi would cost them significant assets, it would help them because he's only making 20M rather than the 30M (George) or 35M (Lebron, Paul) that top free agents would cost. That savings should allow them to retain Redick. If they get a Max free agent, they probably can't offer Redick more than the room exception (~5M).
What if Philly trades for Kawhi with the thought it can bring LeBron with him through FA? That’s the only scary thought I have in this.
Btw listening to Brett Brown on the radio the other day he basically admitted the only reason they traded Mikal Bridges was for that Heat pick to potentially use in a trade for a star player.
They don’t need Lebron. Kawhi enough to make them dangerous.
The Sixers do have one big advantage in regards to Kawhi. The doctor that Kawhi is using for this injury also heads up the Sixers medical department. So they should have the best info on Kawhi's medical situation and Kawhi should be comfortable with the medical care he'd get with the Sixers.
Nothing like seeing people constantly slobber all over a team you just knocked out of the playoffs in 5 games
Now that the draft has passed and nobody made a top 5 pick available for Kawhi, I’m wondering what the eventual compensation will look like for him. The last couple of stars to move (George, Cousins) did not get as big a return as people originally thought they would. And while Kawhi is a better player, he is certainly not without injury and character question issues.
So while I didn’t think it would be possible before the draft, I now wonder if the Spurs will fetch a better package than this one from the Celtics:
Rozier
Morris
Williams
Smart (signed between 10-12 mil)
SAC Pick
LAC or BOS Pick
Do you all think the Spurs will end up with a better or worse package than that in the end?
And how does that package compare to the following.
LAL: Ingram/Kuzma/Deng/1 first
LAC: Harris/Beverly/2 firsts
PHI: Fultz/Covington/Saric/1 first
ESPN story in which Bruce Bowen comments on how Kawhi Leonard has conducted himself poorly this season:
"As a player, if I'm a leader of a team, my team goes on the road in the playoffs, I'm with my guys," Bowen said in reference to Leonard's absence. "Because that's what it's all about. It's about camaraderie. It's about fellowship. It's a brotherhood. When that didn't happen, it's all kinds of sirens and alarm signals that says to me, 'Is this person fully vested?' ... I don't want to take on a player who's not willing to support his guys during the course of their time needing him."
Not a lot of options for the SpursIf the Spurs play hard-ball, it doesn't matter, right? They could trade him to the Eastern Conference without getting his buy-in. You only need one dancing partner.
Going to be hard to move him anywhere but the Lakers because he won’t commit to that team.
Not a lot of options for the SpursIf the Spurs play hard-ball, it doesn't matter, right? They could trade him to the Eastern Conference without getting his buy-in. You only need one dancing partner.
Going to be hard to move him anywhere but the Lakers because he won’t commit to that team.
Not a lot of options for the SpursIf the Spurs play hard-ball, it doesn't matter, right? They could trade him to the Eastern Conference without getting his buy-in. You only need one dancing partner.
Going to be hard to move him anywhere but the Lakers because he won’t commit to that team.
They could try but I don’t see Boston or Philly making a deal without a commitment from Leonard. Boston is not moving brown on speculation.
If Ainge passes on Kawhi (which I think he will) Philly will trade for him. SA not wanting to trade him in conference has narrowed it down.
This is not a normal situation. Its interesting to think about various places around the league that Kawhi might go, but he's already signaled what he wants, and he's already left the bridge back to San Antonio torched to a crisp.If Ainge passes on Kawhi (which I think he will) Philly will trade for him. SA not wanting to trade him in conference has narrowed it down.
Ultimately I think that’s just a negotiating ploy, not wanting to trade within the conference. If a Western team offers the most, the Spurs will accept it.
But the Kawhi saga won’t end until after LeBron and PG13 make their decisions. Before then, potential trade partners will want to see if they can sign one of those two in free agency. Also, if the Lakers wind up with both, it almost certainly means they won’t be able to sign Kawhi next summer. This means he’s less likely to leave whatever team does trade for him, increasing his trade value.
I think the Wizards should put their best foot forward and offer Porter and multiple unprotected 1st rounders — 3 to be precise.
George and Lebron are likely to sign 1+1 deals. I'd put Jimmy Butler on the Sixers 2019 list too.Not a lot of options for the SpursIf the Spurs play hard-ball, it doesn't matter, right? They could trade him to the Eastern Conference without getting his buy-in. You only need one dancing partner.
Going to be hard to move him anywhere but the Lakers because he won’t commit to that team.
They could try but I don’t see Boston or Philly making a deal without a commitment from Leonard. Boston is not moving brown on speculation.
I could see Philly making a deal. Someone more plugged in might see it differently, but the way I see it they have 4 targets spread over the next 2 years (after that they won't have cap room):
2018
sign LeBron
sign Paul George
trade for Kawhi
2019
sign LeBron (if he opts in in '18)
sign Kawhi
sign Klay Thompson
So if LeBron and George are off the table having signed deals, suddenly the only options are Kawhi and Klay, and personally I wouldn't bet against Klay leaving GS (legal weed too).
So now you're down to Kawhi. Do the Lakers still have cap room or did they spend it all? Kawhi will turn down a supermax for LA, but will he turn down a supermax for Philly?
I could see Philly making a move to trade for Kawhi if/when other options dry up.
Ainge is just driving up the price for the Lakers or Sixers. Since the Lakers are scrambling to get another first to include for Kawhi, it sounds like it’s workingI don't think that is the case at all. I firmly believe, Ainge wants Leonard and believes he can convince him to stay.
My guess is Jaylen, Rozier, Sixers pick and Memphis pick plus salary filler. If you’re the Spurs, you gotta consider that.
Ainge is just driving up the price for the Lakers or Sixers. Since the Lakers are scrambling to get another first to include for Kawhi, it sounds like it’s working
Ainge is just driving up the price for the Lakers or Sixers. Since the Lakers are scrambling to get another first to include for Kawhi, it sounds like it’s workingI don't think that is the case at all. I firmly believe, Ainge wants Leonard and believes he can convince him to stay.
My guess is Jaylen, Rozier, Sixers pick and Memphis pick plus salary filler. If you’re the Spurs, you gotta consider that.
flood gates have opened
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783204-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-cavaliers-lakers-celtics-76ers-contacted-spurs
Per Shelburne and Wojnarowski, Leonard intends to let any teams interested in acquiring him know that he plans to sign with the Lakers when he can become a free agent.
So What-That was in FEB. our players got better-he has stayed injured-
My guess is Jaylen, Rozier, Sixers pick and Memphis pick plus salary filler. If you’re the Spurs, you gotta consider that.
I say Philly, Cavs or Boston..i dont think they deal him to a West team...wouldnt be surprise see Kevin Love go to Spurs
flood gates have opened
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783204-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-cavaliers-lakers-celtics-76ers-contacted-spursQuotePer Shelburne and Wojnarowski, Leonard intends to let any teams interested in acquiring him know that he plans to sign with the Lakers when he can become a free agent.
This is not an argument against trading for Kawhi, but is is an argument for not doing so until AFTER the Lakers have signed both LeBron and PG13, as if those two sign for max at more than a year, there will not be max room for Kawhi next summer with the Lakers, even if they completely purge the rest of their roster.
I'm not really interested, but logically what Danny does is try to extort LA for Jaylen Brown?so give up Brown for 2 lesser players and a first that will end up being nonlottery? no thanks
Ingram, Kuzma, LAL 1st to BOS
Brown, Morris, Hart, XXX 1st rounder to SA
Leonard to LAL
Ball to XXX
Lakers trade their big 3 young guys to Leonard.
Boston gets Ingram, Kuzma and a 1st for Brown.
San Antonio gets Jaylen Brown, Morris, Hart and a (lottery?) pick
I'm not really interested, but logically what Danny does is try to extort LA for Jaylen Brown?
Ingram, Kuzma, LAL 1st to BOS
Brown, Morris, Hart, XXX 1st rounder to SA
Leonard to LAL
Ball to XXX
Lakers trade their big 3 young guys to Leonard.
Boston gets Ingram, Kuzma and a 1st for Brown.
San Antonio gets Jaylen Brown, Morris, Hart and a (lottery?) pick
I'm not really interested, but logically what Danny does is try to extort LA for Jaylen Brown?Ugh. Why on earth would we do that?
Ingram, Kuzma, LAL 1st to BOS
Brown, Morris, Hart, XXX 1st rounder to SA
Leonard to LAL
Ball to XXX
Lakers trade their big 3 young guys to Leonard.
Boston gets Ingram, Kuzma and a 1st for Brown.
San Antonio gets Jaylen Brown, Morris, Hart and a (lottery?) pick
I'm thinking the Spurs finally decide to send him to the Lakers when they get everything from them. All the picks and all the young guys they want.
I'm not really interested, but logically what Danny does is try to extort LA for Jaylen Brown?
Ingram, Kuzma, LAL 1st to BOS
Brown, Morris, Hart, XXX 1st rounder to SA
Leonard to LAL
Ball to XXX
Lakers trade their big 3 young guys to Leonard.
Boston gets Ingram, Kuzma and a 1st for Brown.
San Antonio gets Jaylen Brown, Morris, Hart and a (lottery?) pick
Didn't we already know Boston made an offer for Kawhi (or at least that Ainge inquired about him)? I think this article is just lumping a few things together.
flood gates have opened
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783204-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-cavaliers-lakers-celtics-76ers-contacted-spursQuotePer Shelburne and Wojnarowski, Leonard intends to let any teams interested in acquiring him know that he plans to sign with the Lakers when he can become a free agent.
This is not an argument against trading for Kawhi, but is is an argument for not doing so until AFTER the Lakers have signed both LeBron and PG13, as if those two sign for max at more than a year, there will not be max room for Kawhi next summer with the Lakers, even if they completely purge the rest of their roster.
Because they would not own his Bird rights?
Not sure if they had info or just conjecture, but the guys on NBA radio were saying a few hours ago that they thought the whole dog and pony show with Kawhi right now is SAS trying to push LAL to give up both Ingram and Kuzma (but they don't want Ball).I'm thinking the Spurs finally decide to send him to the Lakers when they get everything from them. All the picks and all the young guys they want.
I agree. The Lakers will be forced to out bid because they will be getting more in return, a player who wants to stay beyond one year.
why link a NBC article that is just based off an ESPN report? and that ESPN report has already been discussed on this board.
So now LeBrick's decision depends on Leonard. Sack up James. Be the first guy to commit to the Lakers and then go get the guys.
So now LeBrick's decision depends on Leonard. Sack up James. Be the first guy to commit to the Lakers and then go get the guys.
This is what I feared. Philly getting both is in play.
So now LeBrick's decision depends on Leonard. Sack up James. Be the first guy to commit to the Lakers and then go get the guys.
This is what I feared. Philly getting both is in play.
Philly is the last team I am worried about. I think he stays in Cleveland before he goes to Philly. Philly would have to still cut money to just fit in Lebron and they would have to gut their roster to get Leonard.
So now LeBrick's decision depends on Leonard. Sack up James. Be the first guy to commit to the Lakers and then go get the guys.
This is what I feared. Philly getting both is in play.
Philly is the last team I am worried about. I think he stays in Cleveland before he goes to Philly. Philly would have to still cut money to just fit in Lebron and they would have to gut their roster to get Leonard.
The only player Philly would lose that is worth anything is Saric and he would be redundant if they got both those stars. I don’t see LeBron going anywhere by myself so yeah he may just opt in to Cleveland for one more year. Whom ever gets Kawhi gets LeBron IMO. Once again he holds all the cards.
Honestly, in reference to the ESPN article thread I posted (now merged here), I'm actually shocked there isn't much buzz on PHI or HOU getting James. Those were like the "favorites" to land him yet we've only heard he doesn't like Houston and nothing about PHI lol.
So now LeBrick's decision depends on Leonard. Sack up James. Be the first guy to commit to the Lakers and then go get the guys.
This is what I feared. Philly getting both is in play.
Honestly, in reference to the ESPN article thread I posted (now merged here), I'm actually shocked there isn't much buzz on PHI or HOU getting James. Those were like the "favorites" to land him yet we've only heard he doesn't like Houston and nothing about PHI lol.
Hi stakes poker being played by NBA GMs right now.
I’m surprised that GS hasn’t gotten into the Kawhi sweepstakes, Leonard for Thompson would work for both teamsKawhi needs the ball a lot more than Klay. Also the chemistry hit would be rough and Klay has so far shown every sign of wanting to sign his next contract with the Warriors, Kawhi has stated he wants to play for the Lakers.
I’m surprised that GS hasn’t gotten into the Kawhi sweepstakes, Leonard for Thompson would work for both teams
Honestly, in reference to the ESPN article thread I posted (now merged here), I'm actually shocked there isn't much buzz on PHI or HOU getting James. Those were like the "favorites" to land him yet we've only heard he doesn't like Houston and nothing about PHI lol.
I am personally not really surprised he is not interested in philly (and the odds of them getting him have steadily dropped on the markets since the season ended). Despite our resident phanatics here (or tazzanatics) they still have a lot to prove. I think they would be a lot more appealing next offseason if they can have a deeper postseason run than a gentleman's sweet in the second round and show something out of fultz.
Honestly, in reference to the ESPN article thread I posted (now merged here), I'm actually shocked there isn't much buzz on PHI or HOU getting James. Those were like the "favorites" to land him yet we've only heard he doesn't like Houston and nothing about PHI lol.
I am personally not really surprised he is not interested in philly (and the odds of them getting him have steadily dropped on the markets since the season ended). Despite our resident phanatics here (or tazzanatics) they still have a lot to prove. I think they would be a lot more appealing next offseason if they can have a deeper postseason run than a gentleman's sweet in the second round and show something out of fultz.
Off topic, but did LarBrd33's "contract" end? Where's he been? :P
I’m surprised that GS hasn’t gotten into the Kawhi sweepstakes, Leonard for Thompson would work for both teams
GS would hang up the phone. Klay is an All-Star talent already perfectly integrated into their championship squad. Kawhi is a rental with locker room and health issues. They are both flight risks post-trade.
In a vacuum Kawhi has a higher ceiling, but I can't see this happening.
Whoa. I read this on Reddit but is it true that if the Spurs keep Kawhi and he doesn't report to the team for like the first 30 days the next season, they don't have to pay him? And if the Spurs convince the league that Kawhi is faking an injury to refuse to play, that he can even have his FA rights revoked? :o
Remember, Kawhi's camp announced that he's healthy, so that argument would ultimately work in the Spurs favor. I think this was something that was also brought up last year involving Irving when he supposedly threatened the Cavaliers with "knee surgery" if they kept him.
If that's true, then the Spurs might actually have some leverage here. Also this would look really bad for Kawhi especially if he loses on $$$ and potentially FA rights as well. He'd also have missed like 1.5-2 years of playing time in the NBA.
I’m surprised that GS hasn’t gotten into the Kawhi sweepstakes, Leonard for Thompson would work for both teams
GS would hang up the phone. Klay is an All-Star talent already perfectly integrated into their championship squad. Kawhi is a rental with locker room and health issues. They are both flight risks post-trade.
In a vacuum Kawhi has a higher ceiling, but I can't see this happening.
Disagree, I think GSW would jump on that trade if salaries worked. Isn't Klay a FA as well after this coming season?
I’m surprised that GS hasn’t gotten into the Kawhi sweepstakes, Leonard for Thompson would work for both teams
GS would hang up the phone. Klay is an All-Star talent already perfectly integrated into their championship squad. Kawhi is a rental with locker room and health issues. They are both flight risks post-trade.
In a vacuum Kawhi has a higher ceiling, but I can't see this happening.
Disagree, I think GSW would jump on that trade if salaries worked. Isn't Klay a FA as well after this coming season?
Whoa. I read this on Reddit but is it true that if the Spurs keep Kawhi and he doesn't report to the team for like the first 30 days the next season, they don't have to pay him? And if the Spurs convince the league that Kawhi is faking an injury to refuse to play, that he can even have his FA rights revoked? :o
Remember, Kawhi's camp announced that he's healthy, so that argument would ultimately work in the Spurs favor. I think this was something that was also brought up last year involving Irving when he supposedly threatened the Cavaliers with "knee surgery" if they kept him.
If that's true, then the Spurs might actually have some leverage here. Also this would look really bad for Kawhi especially if he loses on $$$ and potentially FA rights as well. He'd also have missed like 1.5-2 years of playing time in the NBA.
Seriously doubt the league would revoke his rights as FA; KL would just report to the team, but refuse to play in games. To the point they'd tell him not to show up. I doubt it will come down to this anyhow; one side will blink before it does.
I’m surprised that GS hasn’t gotten into the Kawhi sweepstakes, Leonard for Thompson would work for both teams
GS would hang up the phone. Klay is an All-Star talent already perfectly integrated into their championship squad. Kawhi is a rental with locker room and health issues. They are both flight risks post-trade.
In a vacuum Kawhi has a higher ceiling, but I can't see this happening.
I’m surprised that GS hasn’t gotten into the Kawhi sweepstakes, Leonard for Thompson would work for both teams
GS would hang up the phone. Klay is an All-Star talent already perfectly integrated into their championship squad. Kawhi is a rental with locker room and health issues. They are both flight risks post-trade.
In a vacuum Kawhi has a higher ceiling, but I can't see this happening.
More like the Spurs would hang up. Klay Thompson would be nothing without Curry and Durant.
I’m surprised that GS hasn’t gotten into the Kawhi sweepstakes, Leonard for Thompson would work for both teams
GS would hang up the phone. Klay is an All-Star talent already perfectly integrated into their championship squad. Kawhi is a rental with locker room and health issues. They are both flight risks post-trade.
In a vacuum Kawhi has a higher ceiling, but I can't see this happening.
More like the Spurs would hang up. Klay Thompson would be nothing without Curry and Durant.
Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.
If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
both of you have good points but, in regards to Greece, one difference is Kyrie didn't only have one year remaining, nor did he only have reportedly one team he would be signing with after the contracts upHave a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.
If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
Good point but IMO it works both ways. Didn't they say last year that if only Kyrie had said earlier he wanted out, Cavs could have got a better deal?
Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.
If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
Think they buckle and send him to the Lakers
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783314-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-celtics-spurs-talks-have-gone-nowhere
Good. He’s not worth the price, especially given the risks of losing him.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783314-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-celtics-spurs-talks-have-gone-nowhere
Good. He’s not worth the price, especially given the risks of losing him.
https://youtu.be/XPY5P0TaC4khttp://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783314-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-celtics-spurs-talks-have-gone-nowhere
Good. He’s not worth the price, especially given the risks of losing him.
Thank god.
Giving up Jaylen for a rental is stupid. Same deal with any of our max guys in a package (Kyrie or Hayward). Just walk away Danny!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783314-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-celtics-spurs-talks-have-gone-nowhere
Good. He’s not worth the price, especially given the risks of losing him.
Best news of the day.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783314-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-celtics-spurs-talks-have-gone-nowhere
Good. He’s not worth the price, especially given the risks of losing him.
Best news of the day.
LOL ....good old DA low balled them with his first salvo .....
Nobody will pay what Lakers will.....s their MO. ...buy what we need ...money is no proble,.....buying free agents to rebuild at any cost.
If Kawhi won't asure DA he ll stay a while ....no way the owners give up Rozier , or Brown for a years rental .
I would neber say Danny is finished .
Lakers would trade evrybody they hot for even one year shot of Cp3 Kawhi George.
Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.
If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
The LAL have the luxury of knowing that's where Kawhi wants to be long term. No one else can get that assurance.http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783314-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-celtics-spurs-talks-have-gone-nowhere
Good. He’s not worth the price, especially given the risks of losing him.
Best news of the day.
LOL ....good old DA low balled them with his first salvo .....
Nobody will pay what Lakers will.....s their MO. ...buy what we need ...money is no proble,.....buying free agents to rebuild at any cost.
If Kawhi won't asure DA he ll stay a while ....no way the owners give up Rozier , or Brown for a years rental .
I would neber say Danny is finished .
Lakers would trade evrybody they hot for even one year shot of Cp3 Kawhi George.
The only way Lakers win that trade is if they absolutely win the championship the upcoming season. Otherwise, that would be a Billy King-esque move for them.
Disagree it kills their market for Kawhi. It just narrows it a bit. What is killing the Spurs market is Kawhi saying he only wants to go to the Lakers. And since he is killing his own trade value, I don't see the Spurs doing him any favors by dealing him there early so that LA can then figure out a way to get Lebron and another star there.Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.
If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
Disagree it kills their market for Kawhi. It just narrows it a bit. What is killing the Spurs market is Kawhi saying he only wants to go to the Lakers. And since he is killing his own trade value, I don't see the Spurs doing him any favors by dealing him there early so that LA can then figure out a way to get Lebron and another star there.Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.
If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
You're eliminating suitors. Of course it hurts the market for him tremendously. It's absurd to suggest otherwise. The SAS not participating in creating another superteam should have zero bearing on any decision they make. The only rational reason for them not to trade him asap is that they think they can turn him back, but from what I've read tonight, he's not stepping foot in their lockerroom again.Disagree it kills their market for Kawhi. It just narrows it a bit. What is killing the Spurs market is Kawhi saying he only wants to go to the Lakers. And since he is killing his own trade value, I don't see the Spurs doing him any favors by dealing him there early so that LA can then figure out a way to get Lebron and another star there.Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.
If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
Cleveland is so unstable right now that their draft picks are likely very valuable if unprotected.
It would be pretty funny if they turned the tables on the Lakers.
They could send Sexton, Nance, Clarkson, and Zizic + three unprotected picks - picks which have a chance at becoming Brooklyn-level valuable. If i'm the Spurs I want the 2020, 2022, and 2024 picks. The ones as far in the future as possible.
I'd imagine acquiring Leonard would be enough to entice LeBron to stay for at least another year.
The dysfunction and drama would be a joy to watch. Meanwhile Magic Johnson panics and invests fully in Paul George and some other B-level star. The Cavs and Lakers could both simultaneously implode.
Completely disagree. The Spurs market is more hurt by Kawhi's limiting the market to LAL than the Spurs remaining patient and looking for the best deal....not the deal that makes Kawhi most happy and coincidentally helps a direct competitor in the western conference.You're eliminating suitors. Of course it hurts the market for him tremendously. It's absurd to suggest otherwise. The SAS not participating in creating another superteam should have zero bearing on any decision they make. The only rational reason for them not to trade him asap is that they think they can turn him back, but from what I've read tonight, he's not stepping foot in their lockerroom again.Disagree it kills their market for Kawhi. It just narrows it a bit. What is killing the Spurs market is Kawhi saying he only wants to go to the Lakers. And since he is killing his own trade value, I don't see the Spurs doing him any favors by dealing him there early so that LA can then figure out a way to get Lebron and another star there.Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.
If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
What you're suggesting is organizational suicide by SAS. If he's going to LAL, either they can get something for him, or they can go through a season where they have no chance to compete, and get nothing in return. The longer they wait, the less resources and cap space teams have available to trade for him.
how can you disagree with what he said? Its not an arguable statement. What he said was fact. The spurs would kill the trade market if they waitCompletely disagree. The Spurs market is more hurt by Kawhi's limiting the market to LAL than the Spurs remaining patient and looking for the best deal....not the deal that makes Kawhi most happy and coincidentally helps a direct competitor in the western conference.You're eliminating suitors. Of course it hurts the market for him tremendously. It's absurd to suggest otherwise. The SAS not participating in creating another superteam should have zero bearing on any decision they make. The only rational reason for them not to trade him asap is that they think they can turn him back, but from what I've read tonight, he's not stepping foot in their lockerroom again.Disagree it kills their market for Kawhi. It just narrows it a bit. What is killing the Spurs market is Kawhi saying he only wants to go to the Lakers. And since he is killing his own trade value, I don't see the Spurs doing him any favors by dealing him there early so that LA can then figure out a way to get Lebron and another star there.Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.
If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
What you're suggesting is organizational suicide by SAS. If he's going to LAL, either they can get something for him, or they can go through a season where they have no chance to compete, and get nothing in return. The longer they wait, the less resources and cap space teams have available to trade for him.
Even without Kawhi, San Antonio was still a strong playoff team. That was without Kawhi. The Spurs are looking to add talent to a team that won 47 games without Kawhi. Trading him to get the best result for the team is adding players to that 47 win core while not making a team that finished lower than the Spurs a superteam in their conference.
Regardless of Kawhi's desires, my guess is there is still a team out there willing to take the risk of trading for Kawhi while hoping to get him to resign after he spends a year with the team. Seems I rememver the KG situation in Minny being very similar and yet Danny kept up the persistence and landed KG and convinced him to stay. Danny did that because he was patient.
It works the other way too. Buford being patient and waiting to see how FA pans out is, IMO, the best case scenario for the Spurs.
The real question is what did danny offer. The man is ruthless and cold blooded during trades
Kuzmavs
Ingram
a pick
Maybe a S and T with Randall as a sweetner
Not much to give up. Would be interesting how they fill their team out
The real question is what did danny offer. The man is ruthless and cold blooded during trades
Prolly not his best. He knows he can stand pat and win the East, plus not risk crippling this team for the next few years.
Keep this group together and add a top 5 pick from the Kings as well as maybe a top 9 or 10 pick from the Grizz...next year...or use them in a trade later on
Yeah, I think you are both completely wrong and come Friday, you'll maybe see why when Kawhi is still a Spur. The Spurs are in zero hurry. It is only in their direct competitor's interest to act quickly in this matter.how can you disagree with what he said? Its not an arguable statement. What he said was fact. The spurs would kill the trade market if they waitCompletely disagree. The Spurs market is more hurt by Kawhi's limiting the market to LAL than the Spurs remaining patient and looking for the best deal....not the deal that makes Kawhi most happy and coincidentally helps a direct competitor in the western conference.You're eliminating suitors. Of course it hurts the market for him tremendously. It's absurd to suggest otherwise. The SAS not participating in creating another superteam should have zero bearing on any decision they make. The only rational reason for them not to trade him asap is that they think they can turn him back, but from what I've read tonight, he's not stepping foot in their lockerroom again.Disagree it kills their market for Kawhi. It just narrows it a bit. What is killing the Spurs market is Kawhi saying he only wants to go to the Lakers. And since he is killing his own trade value, I don't see the Spurs doing him any favors by dealing him there early so that LA can then figure out a way to get Lebron and another star there.Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.
If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
What you're suggesting is organizational suicide by SAS. If he's going to LAL, either they can get something for him, or they can go through a season where they have no chance to compete, and get nothing in return. The longer they wait, the less resources and cap space teams have available to trade for him.
Even without Kawhi, San Antonio was still a strong playoff team. That was without Kawhi. The Spurs are looking to add talent to a team that won 47 games without Kawhi. Trading him to get the best result for the team is adding players to that 47 win core while not making a team that finished lower than the Spurs a superteam in their conference.
Regardless of Kawhi's desires, my guess is there is still a team out there willing to take the risk of trading for Kawhi while hoping to get him to resign after he spends a year with the team. Seems I rememver the KG situation in Minny being very similar and yet Danny kept up the persistence and landed KG and convinced him to stay. Danny did that because he was patient.
It works the other way too. Buford being patient and waiting to see how FA pans out is, IMO, the best case scenario for the Spurs.
Because of that, Spurs have reopened trade talks with Lakers after shutting the door on them just Days ago : http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23930461/los-angeles-lakers-san-antonio-spurs-re-open-talks-kawhi-leonard
Expect kawhi traded by Friday morning. if they wait any longer they lose him for peanuts. No, its not relevant how good the team is without kawhI lol
Leonard has been adamant that he doesn't want to step into the San Antonio locker room again, and the Spurs have been adamant that they won't be forced into a trade, or a timetable, prior to the February trading deadline, league sources said. No team talking with the Spurs about Leonard has found them to be in a rush to make a deal.
Lakers should be all in and don't see Spurs turning their deal down. Just no competition for a Lakers deal if teams feel Leonard is going to be a one year rental. Lakers are probably just waiting on LeBron before dealing for Leonard.Lakers can't wait for lebron
So the Spurs are better off with one team bidding for Kawhi, vs. 3 or 4 teams bidding for Kawhi? Great logic.Yeah, I think you are both completely wrong and come Friday, you'll maybe see why when Kawhi is still a Spur. The Spurs are in zero hurry. It is only in their direct competitor's interest to act quickly in this matter.how can you disagree with what he said? Its not an arguable statement. What he said was fact. The spurs would kill the trade market if they waitCompletely disagree. The Spurs market is more hurt by Kawhi's limiting the market to LAL than the Spurs remaining patient and looking for the best deal....not the deal that makes Kawhi most happy and coincidentally helps a direct competitor in the western conference.You're eliminating suitors. Of course it hurts the market for him tremendously. It's absurd to suggest otherwise. The SAS not participating in creating another superteam should have zero bearing on any decision they make. The only rational reason for them not to trade him asap is that they think they can turn him back, but from what I've read tonight, he's not stepping foot in their lockerroom again.Disagree it kills their market for Kawhi. It just narrows it a bit. What is killing the Spurs market is Kawhi saying he only wants to go to the Lakers. And since he is killing his own trade value, I don't see the Spurs doing him any favors by dealing him there early so that LA can then figure out a way to get Lebron and another star there.Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.
If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
What you're suggesting is organizational suicide by SAS. If he's going to LAL, either they can get something for him, or they can go through a season where they have no chance to compete, and get nothing in return. The longer they wait, the less resources and cap space teams have available to trade for him.
Even without Kawhi, San Antonio was still a strong playoff team. That was without Kawhi. The Spurs are looking to add talent to a team that won 47 games without Kawhi. Trading him to get the best result for the team is adding players to that 47 win core while not making a team that finished lower than the Spurs a superteam in their conference.
Regardless of Kawhi's desires, my guess is there is still a team out there willing to take the risk of trading for Kawhi while hoping to get him to resign after he spends a year with the team. Seems I rememver the KG situation in Minny being very similar and yet Danny kept up the persistence and landed KG and convinced him to stay. Danny did that because he was patient.
It works the other way too. Buford being patient and waiting to see how FA pans out is, IMO, the best case scenario for the Spurs.
Because of that, Spurs have reopened trade talks with Lakers after shutting the door on them just Days ago : http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23930461/los-angeles-lakers-san-antonio-spurs-re-open-talks-kawhi-leonard
Expect kawhi traded by Friday morning. if they wait any longer they lose him for peanuts. No, its not relevant how good the team is without kawhI lol
The true art of the deal is to strike and make the deal when it makes the most sense for you....not your competitors. Watch....the Kawhi deal, if it happens, doesn't happen until FA has played its course,
Yeah, I think you are both completely wrong and come Friday, you'll maybe see why when Kawhi is still a Spur. The Spurs are in zero hurry. It is only in their direct competitor's interest to act quickly in this matter.
The true art of the deal is to strike and make the deal when it makes the most sense for you....not your competitors. Watch....the Kawhi deal, if it happens, doesn't happen until FA has played its course,
Yeah, I think you are both completely wrong and come Friday, you'll maybe see why when Kawhi is still a Spur. The Spurs are in zero hurry. It is only in their direct competitor's interest to act quickly in this matter.how can you disagree with what he said? Its not an arguable statement. What he said was fact. The spurs would kill the trade market if they waitCompletely disagree. The Spurs market is more hurt by Kawhi's limiting the market to LAL than the Spurs remaining patient and looking for the best deal....not the deal that makes Kawhi most happy and coincidentally helps a direct competitor in the western conference.You're eliminating suitors. Of course it hurts the market for him tremendously. It's absurd to suggest otherwise. The SAS not participating in creating another superteam should have zero bearing on any decision they make. The only rational reason for them not to trade him asap is that they think they can turn him back, but from what I've read tonight, he's not stepping foot in their lockerroom again.Disagree it kills their market for Kawhi. It just narrows it a bit. What is killing the Spurs market is Kawhi saying he only wants to go to the Lakers. And since he is killing his own trade value, I don't see the Spurs doing him any favors by dealing him there early so that LA can then figure out a way to get Lebron and another star there.Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.
If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
What you're suggesting is organizational suicide by SAS. If he's going to LAL, either they can get something for him, or they can go through a season where they have no chance to compete, and get nothing in return. The longer they wait, the less resources and cap space teams have available to trade for him.
Even without Kawhi, San Antonio was still a strong playoff team. That was without Kawhi. The Spurs are looking to add talent to a team that won 47 games without Kawhi. Trading him to get the best result for the team is adding players to that 47 win core while not making a team that finished lower than the Spurs a superteam in their conference.
Regardless of Kawhi's desires, my guess is there is still a team out there willing to take the risk of trading for Kawhi while hoping to get him to resign after he spends a year with the team. Seems I rememver the KG situation in Minny being very similar and yet Danny kept up the persistence and landed KG and convinced him to stay. Danny did that because he was patient.
It works the other way too. Buford being patient and waiting to see how FA pans out is, IMO, the best case scenario for the Spurs.
Because of that, Spurs have reopened trade talks with Lakers after shutting the door on them just Days ago : http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23930461/los-angeles-lakers-san-antonio-spurs-re-open-talks-kawhi-leonard
Expect kawhi traded by Friday morning. if they wait any longer they lose him for peanuts. No, its not relevant how good the team is without kawhI lol
The true art of the deal is to strike and make the deal when it makes the most sense for you....not your competitors. Watch....the Kawhi deal, if it happens, doesn't happen until FA has played its course,
PG - Thomas
SG - Leonard
SF - James
PF - Randle
C - Lopez
A pretty solid lineup that'll get your team to at least the Western Conference Finals.
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https://twitter.com/YannisNBA/status/1012155988026281985
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23930461/los-angeles-lakers-san-antonio-spurs-reopen-talks-kawhi-leonard
The demands of SAS are unrealistic IMO. It's more about trying to keep the price up, but -if past deals for all star players are any guide- they will have to settle for less, esp. now that it is known that Leonard wants out.
So it looks like the Spurs want nothing to do with Deng's contract, or Lonzo Ball.
Essentially it will probably take Kuzma, Ingram and a Randle S&T to get it done. Honestly if I'm the Lakers and getting Leonard means getting Lebron (possibly George too), you do it.
SAS may fish for an additional asset like Hart or a future pick but I think they'd gladly settle on Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (via S&T)
So it looks like the Spurs want nothing to do with Deng's contract, or Lonzo Ball.
Essentially it will probably take Kuzma, Ingram and a Randle S&T to get it done. Honestly if I'm the Lakers and getting Leonard means getting Lebron (possibly George too), you do it.
SAS may fish for an additional asset like Hart or a future pick but I think they'd gladly settle on Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (via S&T)
Thing is if they don't send out Deng then they won't have cap space for Lebron and George. And without all 3 it's just a rehash of Cleveland. Maybe that's enough for Lebron but he isn't adding to his championships that way. The Lakers need to find a team to take on that Deng contract.
So it looks like the Spurs want nothing to do with Deng's contract, or Lonzo Ball.
Essentially it will probably take Kuzma, Ingram and a Randle S&T to get it done. Honestly if I'm the Lakers and getting Leonard means getting Lebron (possibly George too), you do it.
SAS may fish for an additional asset like Hart or a future pick but I think they'd gladly settle on Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (via S&T)
Thing is if they don't send out Deng then they won't have cap space for Lebron and George. And without all 3 it's just a rehash of Cleveland. Maybe that's enough for Lebron but he isn't adding to his championships that way. The Lakers need to find a team to take on that Deng contract.
They can stretch Deng, sign both LeBron and PG13, and then trade Ingram, Ball, and two of Kuzma, Hart, Wagner (30 days after he signs), and Zubac (if he’s not waived this week) to match salaries for Kawhi. That’s a heavy price, and they would have over $7 million of Deng’s contract on the books for the next five years. But trading Deng is not a necessity.
So it looks like the Spurs want nothing to do with Deng's contract, or Lonzo Ball.
Essentially it will probably take Kuzma, Ingram and a Randle S&T to get it done. Honestly if I'm the Lakers and getting Leonard means getting Lebron (possibly George too), you do it.
SAS may fish for an additional asset like Hart or a future pick but I think they'd gladly settle on Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (via S&T)
Thing is if they don't send out Deng then they won't have cap space for Lebron and George. And without all 3 it's just a rehash of Cleveland. Maybe that's enough for Lebron but he isn't adding to his championships that way. The Lakers need to find a team to take on that Deng contract.
They can stretch Deng, sign both LeBron and PG13, and then trade Ingram, Ball, and two of Kuzma, Hart, Wagner (30 days after he signs), and Zubac (if he’s not waived this week) to match salaries for Kawhi. That’s a heavy price, and they would have over $7 million of Deng’s contract on the books for the next five years. But trading Deng is not a necessity.
well they'd have 2 of the players they didn't trade, plus the MLE, which they could probably split, but yeah they would be thin in the depth department this year, though when you have the best player in the world, a guy that was a top 5 player in the world before he was injured, and a top 15 player in the world, they might not need that much more.So it looks like the Spurs want nothing to do with Deng's contract, or Lonzo Ball.
Essentially it will probably take Kuzma, Ingram and a Randle S&T to get it done. Honestly if I'm the Lakers and getting Leonard means getting Lebron (possibly George too), you do it.
SAS may fish for an additional asset like Hart or a future pick but I think they'd gladly settle on Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (via S&T)
Thing is if they don't send out Deng then they won't have cap space for Lebron and George. And without all 3 it's just a rehash of Cleveland. Maybe that's enough for Lebron but he isn't adding to his championships that way. The Lakers need to find a team to take on that Deng contract.
They can stretch Deng, sign both LeBron and PG13, and then trade Ingram, Ball, and two of Kuzma, Hart, Wagner (30 days after he signs), and Zubac (if he’s not waived this week) to match salaries for Kawhi. That’s a heavy price, and they would have over $7 million of Deng’s contract on the books for the next five years. But trading Deng is not a necessity.
Than what fill the roster with undrafted rookies and minimum contract vets?
So it looks like the Spurs want nothing to do with Deng's contract, or Lonzo Ball.
Essentially it will probably take Kuzma, Ingram and a Randle S&T to get it done. Honestly if I'm the Lakers and getting Leonard means getting Lebron (possibly George too), you do it.
SAS may fish for an additional asset like Hart or a future pick but I think they'd gladly settle on Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (via S&T)
Thing is if they don't send out Deng then they won't have cap space for Lebron and George. And without all 3 it's just a rehash of Cleveland. Maybe that's enough for Lebron but he isn't adding to his championships that way. The Lakers need to find a team to take on that Deng contract.
They can stretch Deng, sign both LeBron and PG13, and then trade Ingram, Ball, and two of Kuzma, Hart, Wagner (30 days after he signs), and Zubac (if he’s not waived this week) to match salaries for Kawhi. That’s a heavy price, and they would have over $7 million of Deng’s contract on the books for the next five years. But trading Deng is not a necessity.
Than what fill the roster with undrafted rookies and minimum contract vets?
So it looks like the Spurs want nothing to do with Deng's contract, or Lonzo Ball.
Essentially it will probably take Kuzma, Ingram and a Randle S&T to get it done. Honestly if I'm the Lakers and getting Leonard means getting Lebron (possibly George too), you do it.
SAS may fish for an additional asset like Hart or a future pick but I think they'd gladly settle on Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (via S&T)
Thing is if they don't send out Deng then they won't have cap space for Lebron and George. And without all 3 it's just a rehash of Cleveland. Maybe that's enough for Lebron but he isn't adding to his championships that way. The Lakers need to find a team to take on that Deng contract.
They can stretch Deng, sign both LeBron and PG13, and then trade Ingram, Ball, and two of Kuzma, Hart, Wagner (30 days after he signs), and Zubac (if he’s not waived this week) to match salaries for Kawhi. That’s a heavy price, and they would have over $7 million of Deng’s contract on the books for the next five years. But trading Deng is not a necessity.
Than what fill the roster with undrafted rookies and minimum contract vets?
So it looks like the Spurs want nothing to do with Deng's contract, or Lonzo Ball.
Essentially it will probably take Kuzma, Ingram and a Randle S&T to get it done. Honestly if I'm the Lakers and getting Leonard means getting Lebron (possibly George too), you do it.
SAS may fish for an additional asset like Hart or a future pick but I think they'd gladly settle on Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (via S&T)
Thing is if they don't send out Deng then they won't have cap space for Lebron and George. And without all 3 it's just a rehash of Cleveland. Maybe that's enough for Lebron but he isn't adding to his championships that way. The Lakers need to find a team to take on that Deng contract.
They can stretch Deng, sign both LeBron and PG13, and then trade Ingram, Ball, and two of Kuzma, Hart, Wagner (30 days after he signs), and Zubac (if he’s not waived this week) to match salaries for Kawhi. That’s a heavy price, and they would have over $7 million of Deng’s contract on the books for the next five years. But trading Deng is not a necessity.
Than what fill the roster with undrafted rookies and minimum contract vets?
Veterans/free agents and plethora of undrafted free agents will come flockin'. The potential of winning with two top 5 players, and PG-13, with the allure of living in Los Angeles is way too promising.
Screaming A Smith said today Leonard isn’t thrilled with the idea of playing with Lebron with the Lakers because of all hoopla James brings
Screaming A Smith said today Leonard isn’t thrilled with the idea of playing with Lebron with the Lakers because of all hoopla James brings
to match salary they would either have to use a sign and trade with Randle (which i dont see SA doing) or trading the whole coup of young talent Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, and Hart.. and if I'm Magic I do it .. The only dead weight is Dengs contract... so you have KL, LBJ, and PG and fill the roster with veterans who will play for cheap to win ..
Kawhi does not want any hoopla
Kawhi wants to play for the Lakers
Kawhi is the new Kanye
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The Spurs are fully engaged in trade talks with several teams on Kawhi Leonard, including the Lakers and Celtics, league sources tell ESPN. Boston has long had the assets that the Spurs most covet in a potential Leonard trade.
Though the cynical part of me wonders if this is now San Antonio trying to drive up LA's offer.
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The Spurs are fully engaged in trade talks with several teams on Kawhi Leonard, including the Lakers and Celtics, league sources tell ESPN. Boston has long had the assets that the Spurs most covet in a potential Leonard trade.
Though the cynical part of me wonders if this is now San Antonio trying to drive up LA's offer.
To add to this Stein said the spurs are fully ready to move on from him.
I really don’t want to trade Kyrie.
BrownFor one year of Kawhi? No thanks
Sac pick
Marcus Morris
That would be my offer
I would think San Antonio needs to infuse youth back in their organization. I could see Jaylen Brown, Rozier, and Boston's 4 first round picks next year (and obviously salary filler).
For me, Irving, Hayward, and Tatum are untradeable.
I would think San Antonio needs to infuse youth back in their organization. I could see Jaylen Brown, Rozier, and Boston's 4 first round picks next year (and obviously salary filler).Unless you're a San Antonio fan, I can only imagine you don't realize that Kawhi his a free agent a year from now and has expressed his desire to go to LA.
For me, Irving, Hayward, and Tatum are untradeable.
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The Spurs are fully engaged in trade talks with several teams on Kawhi Leonard, including the Lakers and Celtics, league sources tell ESPN. Boston has long had the assets that the Spurs most covet in a potential Leonard trade.
Though the cynical part of me wonders if this is now San Antonio trying to drive up LA's offer.
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The Spurs are fully engaged in trade talks with several teams on Kawhi Leonard, including the Lakers and Celtics, league sources tell ESPN. Boston has long had the assets that the Spurs most covet in a potential Leonard trade.
Though the cynical part of me wonders if this is now San Antonio trying to drive up LA's offer.
To add to this Stein said the spurs are fully ready to move on from him.
I really don’t want to trade Kyrie.
I think the "coveted assets" are probably more like Tatum and the Sac 1st, maybe Brown. I don't think SA wants to try and build an elite team around Kyrie, LMA and the Island of Misfit Toys.
Fortunately I also think there's basically 0 chance of Danny giving up Tatum. Probably little chance of both Brown and the Sac 1st. But who knows really. I keep feeling like there isn't fire behind the smoke but it's Danny.
What if several of these rumors are true?
- Spurs are intent on NOT trading him to the Lakers
- C's will NOT offer Tatum or Brown
Spurs realize that the C's won't budge unless they send out a narrative that they're fully engaged in trade discussions with the Lakers in hopes that the Ainge caves and gives up Brown.
I also don't think the Sixers are a real threat to get into these trade discussions. I do think the Spurs would value Saric, but I doubt they think highly of broken shot/brain Fultz, especially considering that they have a promising player (Murray) that they're developing. Plus, the Sixers don't have any high draft picks in upcoming drafts, unlike the C's who can dangle both the Kings and Grizzlies picks.
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The Spurs are fully engaged in trade talks with several teams on Kawhi Leonard, including the Lakers and Celtics, league sources tell ESPN. Boston has long had the assets that the Spurs most covet in a potential Leonard trade.
Though the cynical part of me wonders if this is now San Antonio trying to drive up LA's offer.
To add to this Stein said the spurs are fully ready to move on from him.
I really don’t want to trade Kyrie.
I think the "coveted assets" are probably more like Tatum and the Sac 1st, maybe Brown. I don't think SA wants to try and build an elite team around Kyrie, LMA and the Island of Misfit Toys.
Fortunately I also think there's basically 0 chance of Danny giving up Tatum. Probably little chance of both Brown and the Sac 1st. But who knows really. I keep feeling like there isn't fire behind the smoke but it's Danny.
R-E-L-A-X guys. It's nothing.
Danny is just driving up Kawhi's price, and I'm for it! 8)
Just force the Lakers to trade Kuzma, Ingram, Randle + another asset :laugh:
This is all to drive up the price for the Lakers. Lakers are going to end up given up a lotI agree!!! Trade 3-4 players and picks for one player, no thanks..if im spurs, i ask for kuzman, ingram, ball and 3 picks
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The Spurs are fully engaged in trade talks with several teams on Kawhi Leonard, including the Lakers and Celtics, league sources tell ESPN. Boston has long had the assets that the Spurs most covet in a potential Leonard trade.
Though the cynical part of me wonders if this is now San Antonio trying to drive up LA's offer.
To add to this Stein said the spurs are fully ready to move on from him.
I really don’t want to trade Kyrie.
I think the "coveted assets" are probably more like Tatum and the Sac 1st, maybe Brown. I don't think SA wants to try and build an elite team around Kyrie, LMA and the Island of Misfit Toys.
Fortunately I also think there's basically 0 chance of Danny giving up Tatum. Probably little chance of both Brown and the Sac 1st. But who knows really. I keep feeling like there isn't fire behind the smoke but it's Danny.
I'll give up both Brown and SAC '19 (for starters) if I am assured that Kawhi Leonard will sign an extension. If Spurs demand BOTH Brown, Tatum, and SAC '19 though, goodbye I hang up the phone.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783427-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-lakers-present-spurs-with-a-godfather-offer
https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1012367563035062273
Godfather offer just made by Lakers supposedly
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783427-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-lakers-present-spurs-with-a-godfather-offer
https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1012367563035062273
Godfather offer just made by Lakers supposedly
Lakers just can’t risk waiting another summer can they lol
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783427-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-lakers-present-spurs-with-a-godfather-offer
https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1012367563035062273
Godfather offer just made by Lakers supposedly
I don’t think they have Godfather assets.
Ingram + Kuzma + Ball. Is that really an offer you can’t refuse?
Danny is not trying to drive up the price for the Lakers, since the two teams are negotiating from completely different points of view. Boston is basing their offer on a one year rental, while LA has to pay a premium for a 6 year plus player.
Per Mark Murphy
Speaking to league executive, one thing is clear. Celtics have not received any assurances from Kawhi Leonard that he wants to come here.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783427-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-lakers-present-spurs-with-a-godfather-offer
https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1012367563035062273
Godfather offer just made by Lakers supposedly
I don’t think they have Godfather assets.
Ingram + Kuzma + Ball. Is that really an offer you can’t refuse?
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783427-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-lakers-present-spurs-with-a-godfather-offer
https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1012367563035062273
Godfather offer just made by Lakers supposedly
I don’t think they have Godfather assets.
Ingram + Kuzma + Ball. Is that really an offer you can’t refuse?
I think that offer beats anything a team outside LA is willing to give without assurances. Although in terms of typical "godfather" offers it doesn't match up.
ainge isn't driving up the price. He’s making a formal offer for a superstarDanny is not trying to drive up the price for the Lakers, since the two teams are negotiating from completely different points of view. Boston is basing their offer on a one year rental, while LA has to pay a premium for a 6 year plus player.
Just because Ainge is treating this like a rental, doesn’t mean he isn’t driving the price up. If the Spurs are talking to two teams, the desperate one may be willing to up the ante because they need him. We want him, sure. But we will be great without him too.
If Spurs are engaged with us, clearly Ainge is offering something that’s interesting to them. I’m sure Tatum is off the table, but is Brown? Is Ainge trying to do a Smart S&T and whatever picks they desire? I’d give up any of them, even SAC19 for a healthy Kawhi. Then roll the dice. Honestly, we could win 70 games with Irving/Leonard/Hayward/Tatum/Horford.
I know Kawhi is from LA, but it’s not the only place to make a name for yourself. I don’t know if he can walk away from a potential dynasty AND more money.
ainge isn't driving up the price. He’s making a formal offer for a superstarDanny is not trying to drive up the price for the Lakers, since the two teams are negotiating from completely different points of view. Boston is basing their offer on a one year rental, while LA has to pay a premium for a 6 year plus player.
Just because Ainge is treating this like a rental, doesn’t mean he isn’t driving the price up. If the Spurs are talking to two teams, the desperate one may be willing to up the ante because they need him. We want him, sure. But we will be great without him too.
If Spurs are engaged with us, clearly Ainge is offering something that’s interesting to them. I’m sure Tatum is off the table but is Brown? Is Ainge trying to do a Smart S&T and whatever picks they desire? I’d give up any of them, even SAC19 for a healthy Kawhi. Then roll the dice. Honestly, we could win 70 games with Irving/Leonard/Hayward/Tatum/Horford.
I know Kawhi is from LA, but it’s not the only place to make a name for yourself. I don’t know if he can walk away from a potential dynasty AND more money.
This isn’t eBay
Per Mark Murphy
Speaking to league executive, one thing is clear. Celtics have not received any assurances from Kawhi Leonard that he wants to come here.
so, he is Lakers bound then for sure. Danny is all about calculated risks and that does not sound like a smart one for us to take.
Adrian Wojnarowski: Boston’s extremely cautious on Leonard front. There’s so much uncertainty w/ Leonard’s future — health, free agent desires, etc. Will Leonard be same player? That’s hard to tell. Celtics don’t have to make a risky trade and have no intention to do so. It’s an interesting dance. – via Twitter wojespn
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783427-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-lakers-present-spurs-with-a-godfather-offer
https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1012367563035062273
Godfather offer just made by Lakers supposedly
I don’t think they have Godfather assets.
Ingram + Kuzma + Ball. Is that really an offer you can’t refuse?
I think that offer beats anything a team outside LA is willing to give without assurances. Although in terms of typical "godfather" offers it doesn't match up.
I agree. At the same time, San Antonio can slow play this as long as they want. LA won’t have cap space next year, meaning Leonard may have to be more open minded.
LeBron is not leaving Cleveland if LA can't get at least two more star players.
QuoteLeBron is not leaving Cleveland if LA can't get at least two more star players.
I don’t think this is true.
He thinks spurs want Tatum and Brown
QuoteLeBron is not leaving Cleveland if LA can't get at least two more star players.
I don’t think this is true.
Let's just take the whole Lakers core for Brown to really make things weird.
Brown, Smart, Hart to SA
Ingram, Kuzma, Ball to BOS (and we flip Ball for a late lottery pick?)
Leonard to LAL
QuoteLeBron is not leaving Cleveland if LA can't get at least two more star players.
I don’t think this is true.
QuoteHe thinks spurs want Tatum and Brown
Which is just silly.
Brown + Morris + Rozier + best of our 2019 draft picks + future #1, if and only if Kawhi signs off and pending a thorough physical
QuoteLeBron is not leaving Cleveland if LA can't get at least two more star players.
I don’t think this is true.
I don't think LeBron will leave Cleveland a second time if it's not for a legitimately better team. If LA can only add LeBron, then they make the playoffs and are one and done. If LA can add LeBron and George, then they make the second round. If LA adds all three, then they have a chance to win it all. If LeBron stays in Cleveland, their still an ECF contender.
Per Gary Washburnhes not mentioning Tatum. Lol. I wonder if Danny would do the unthinkable
Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.
Per Gary Washburnhes not mentioning Tatum. Lol. I wonder if Danny would do the unthinkable
Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.
Per Gary Washburn
Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.
Per Gary Washburn
Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.
I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
I believe it. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the Spurs have been leaking Boston rumors to the media to drive up the price for the Lakers.Per Gary Washburn
Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.
I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
Let's just take the whole Lakers core for Brown to really make things weird.
Brown, Smart, Hart to SA
Ingram, Kuzma, Ball to BOS (and we flip Ball for a late lottery pick?)
Leonard to LAL
Yikes I don't want to be in any situation where Lonzo Ball (and Lavar Ball) might end up in Boston. Better to not risk that :).
Per Gary Washburn
Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.
I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
Per Gary Washburn
Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.
I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
Maybe, but one thing for sure, Kyrie can't be offered by Danny unless he has a done deal; otherwise the chances of him bolting increase dramatically, no?
Without an assurance from Leonard about staying past next year, I just can't bring myself to agree on trading Brown's productivity/ contract for 1 year of Leonard.Per Gary Washburn
Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.
I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
I believe it. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the Spurs have been leaking Boston rumors to the media to drive up the price for the Lakers.Per Gary Washburn
Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.
I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
it also wouldn't surprise me if Ainge is offering the Spurs nothing but low balls.
Per Gary Washburn
Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.
I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
Maybe, but one thing for sure, Kyrie can't be offered by Danny unless he has a done deal; otherwise the chances of him bolting increase dramatically, no?
It is impossible, capwise, for the Spurs and Celtics to agree to a trade that does not involve one of Horford, Hayward, Irving, Brown, Or Tatum. So if the Celtics have made an actual offer the Spurs could accept, even if they wouldn’t want to, one has to be included.
I believe it. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the Spurs have been leaking Boston rumors to the media to drive up the price for the Lakers.Per Gary Washburn
Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.
I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
it also wouldn't surprise me if Ainge is offering the Spurs nothing but low balls.
The Spurs would simply hang up, though. There wouldn’t be any dialogue or “talks”.
One of Tatum / Brown / Kyrie is necessary.
Can Isaiah be included in a Sign & Trade?
Would be interesting if Spurs can get something like IT, Ingram, Kuzma, and picks and have them take back additional salary like Mills or Gasol.
Spurs could buy low on an All-NBA player on a shorter deal and see if he can return to glory. Also blocks the Lakers from getting two max free agents.
You can do a S&T with any of your team's free agents.
The Spurs could simply hang up then text Woj that they just had conversations with the Celtics, to try to drive up the price for the Lakers. That's what I think is happening.I believe it. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the Spurs have been leaking Boston rumors to the media to drive up the price for the Lakers.Per Gary Washburn
Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.
I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
it also wouldn't surprise me if Ainge is offering the Spurs nothing but low balls.
The Spurs would simply hang up, though. There wouldn’t be any dialogue or “talks”.
One of Tatum / Brown / Kyrie is necessary.
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Lakers reported offer for Kawhi, per @wojespn , is Ingram and a future first. Spurs want far more. Will be interesting to see who blinks.
10:40 AM - 28 Jun 2018
My girlfriend doesn't really like basketball. Has probably watched about 40 minutes of Celtics games with me this year, and heard me talk about the team.
I told her about the Kawhi Leonard rumor and informed her about how good of a player he is. She concluded that Jaylen Brown would be the one that needed to be traded (certainly "not Kyrie or that 19 year old").
There's ZERO CHANCE Kawhi is coming here, period.
R-E-L-A-X folks. Ainge and Buford are just chilling via Skype leaking out rumors to milk the Lakers out of all their assets in a trade. I'm all for it 8)
While it would suck to see Kawhi (and George + Lebron) go to LAL, if it came at the expense of Ingram, Kuzma, Randle (via S&T) and Hart, it would sting less IMHO (that's a lot of depth/youth being traded away). Also, LAL would still have to clear Deng's contract to even fit George + Lebron, and that will be difficult.
Meanwhile, SAS has NO interest in Lonzo or Deng's contract either according to Woj (he said it on ESPN last night. Don't have link unfortunately)
lakers trying to avoid giving up Kuzma but since Ball is a turd, can't avoid thatI really don't get why Kuzma is more highly regarded than Ball by so many people.
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Asking for a friend. Who gives the media this much info? You’d think the media are the ones making the trades 😂
10:06 AM - 28 Jun 2018
lakers trying to avoid giving up Kuzma but since Ball is a turd, can't avoid thatI really don't get why Kuzma is more highly regarded than Ball by so many people.
Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts. Any combination that works. Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.
Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts. Any combination that works. Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.
I have a lot more confidence he can get better as a shooter than Kuzma will become a multi-dimensional player. Right now all he does is shoot.lakers trying to avoid giving up Kuzma but since Ball is a turd, can't avoid thatI really don't get why Kuzma is more highly regarded than Ball by so many people.
He can shoot and doesn't have lavar as a father
Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts. Any combination that works. Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.
I believe it. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the Spurs have been leaking Boston rumors to the media to drive up the price for the Lakers.Per Gary Washburn
Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.
I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
it also wouldn't surprise me if Ainge is offering the Spurs nothing but low balls.
The Spurs would simply hang up, though. There wouldn’t be any dialogue or “talks”.
One of Tatum / Brown / Kyrie is necessary.
Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts. Any combination that works. Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/26n6ziTEeDDbowBkQ/giphy.gif)
I believe it. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the Spurs have been leaking Boston rumors to the media to drive up the price for the Lakers.Per Gary Washburn
Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.
I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
it also wouldn't surprise me if Ainge is offering the Spurs nothing but low balls.
The Spurs would simply hang up, though. There wouldn’t be any dialogue or “talks”.
One of Tatum / Brown / Kyrie is necessary.
Horford, Rozier, Morris and two first round picks wouldn't get it done?
Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts. Any combination that works. Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/26n6ziTEeDDbowBkQ/giphy.gif)
Love it, King of fake news tells others they are fake news bahahaha!!
Anyway who would be our back up PG when KI goes down for 20 games Larkin? :o
I believe it. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the Spurs have been leaking Boston rumors to the media to drive up the price for the Lakers.Per Gary Washburn
Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.
I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
it also wouldn't surprise me if Ainge is offering the Spurs nothing but low balls.
The Spurs would simply hang up, though. There wouldn’t be any dialogue or “talks”.
One of Tatum / Brown / Kyrie is necessary.
Horford, Rozier, Morris and two first round picks wouldn't get it done?
You can do a S&T with any of your team's free agents.
I have a lot more confidence he can get better as a shooter than Kuzma will become a multi-dimensional player. Right now all he does is shoot.lakers trying to avoid giving up Kuzma but since Ball is a turd, can't avoid thatI really don't get why Kuzma is more highly regarded than Ball by so many people.
He can shoot and doesn't have lavar as a father
Danny's clinging to Brown and the Sac pick---cause they are BOTH Gold.
That's never been a rule afaik. Players who were recently traded can not be aggregated into another trade, only traded on their own for a certain period of time.You can do a S&T with any of your team's free agents.
But I thought there used to be a rule where S&T players could only be traded on their own (with no other players going out)? So no Smart+Morris+etc or no IT+Ingram+whatever.
Has that rule changed? Or has that never been a rule?
The player must re-sign with his prior team -- a team cannot include another team's free agent in a sign-and-trade.
The player must finish the preceding season with that team (deals are no longer allowed that sign-and-trade players who are out of the league, such as the sign-and-trade that sent Keith Van Horn from Dallas to New Jersey as part of the Jason Kidd trade in 2008).
The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team (see question number 42).
The team receiving the player cannot be above the "Apron" (see question number 20) at the conclusion of the trade1, 2. A team above the Apron can receive a player in a sign-and-trade if the trade reduces the team's payroll and the team finishes the trade below the Apron.
The team cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25) that season.1
The trade must be completed prior to the first game of the regular season (sign-and-trades are not allowed once the season begins).
The player cannot be signed using the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, or any exception that cannot be used to offer a three-year contract (see question number 25).
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10:06 AM - 28 Jun 2018
LOL.
But actually, I'm wondering this too. Do the sources literally just follow the players and GM's around all day?? How the hell does Stephen A. Smith even know who Lebron texted? :P
Like it's one thing for some GM's and FO to leak some rumors to reporters, but I highly doubt the players/FO tell the reporters every single thing they are doing lol.
You can do a S&T with any of your team's free agents.
But I thought there used to be a rule where S&T players could only be traded on their own (with no other players going out)? So no Smart+Morris+etc or no IT+Ingram+whatever.
Has that rule changed? Or has that never been a rule?
Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts. Any combination that works. Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.
Who?
Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts. Any combination that works. Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/26n6ziTEeDDbowBkQ/giphy.gif)
Love it, King of fake news tells others they are fake news bahahaha!!
Anyway who would be our back up PG when KI goes down for 20 games Larkin? :o
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A source close to #LeBron tells me that #Kawhi Leonard reached out to James, telling him he very much wanted to play together. They spoke about Kawhi's lockdown defensive ability, which would alleviate pressure off of LeBron.
Saric + Covington + #1?
Philly would take that in a second.
per SI
Philadelphia’s internal discussions have focused on potential trade packages offering various young players and future draft selections. One team source says preliminary discussions with San Antonio revealed the Spurs have strong interest in a package involving burgeoning forwards Dario Saric and Robert Covington as well as a future first-round pick. A potential, more serious offer that Philadelphia is weighing internally includes Saric and Covington and the 2021 Miami Heat unprotected first-round pick the Sixers obtained in their draft-night deal with the Phoenix Suns.
Reports saying lakers are off the table for SA. Likely philly or Boston
I do not want Kawhi in Boston. I do not want Aing to trade Tatum for a one year rental.
It's been reported everywhere that Kawhi isn't giving any assurance to anyone other than LAL.
Either this is just SAS posturing for Laker concessions, or Danny Ainge is insane.
Think Lakers will get him, at end of day. They have too much to lose, and get the most in return.
And Lebron will join him.
Ainge is gonna get kahwi. Book it. The man doesn’t lose trades
Kawhi has let everyone know he plans on signing with LA.
Nothing of value should be offered. We don't have assets to burn. We got this roster and the team everyone wants to trade with because we haven't done stupid things like give up good players and picks for a one year rental.
San Antonio has informed teams its preferred target in any Leonard trade is the Celtics' Jayson Tatum, sources say. Teams have noted this is likely a negotiating tactic, and it’s widely believed in league circles Boston is more likely to propose a deal centered around Kyrie Irving and future picks. But based on previous behavior, the Celtics are unlikely to overpay for Leonard.
Some interesting tidbits in this Sixers going after Leonard articlethe Cavs asked for Tatum too last summer. Ainge laughed and hung up until they came calling back
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/06/28/kawhi-leonard-trade-nba-free-agency-spurs-76ers-celtics-lakersQuoteSan Antonio has informed teams its preferred target in any Leonard trade is the Celtics' Jayson Tatum, sources say. Teams have noted this is likely a negotiating tactic, and it’s widely believed in league circles Boston is more likely to propose a deal centered around Kyrie Irving and future picks. But based on previous behavior, the Celtics are unlikely to overpay for Leonard.
Kawhi has let everyone know he plans on signing with LA.
Nothing of value should be offered. We don't have assets to burn. We got this roster and the team everyone wants to trade with because we haven't done stupid things like give up good players and picks for a one year rental.
I'll admit I did not read all 60 pages of this thread, but I have not seen enough comments like the one above.
I understand why such a talented player is coveted by many teams, but there are real concerns here. Between the way he handled last year, the extent of the injury that limited him to 7(?) games, and the fact that he has all but committed to the Lakers next year, I don't know why anybody is bothering trying to trade for him.
Feels like the Lakers get it done in the long runremember when George asked to be traded to lakers last season? He changed his mind. Kyrie wanted Knicks. He changed his mind. Ainge is going to gamble
Kawhi has let everyone know he plans on signing with LA.
Nothing of value should be offered. We don't have assets to burn. We got this roster and the team everyone wants to trade with because we haven't done stupid things like give up good players and picks for a one year rental.
I'll admit I did not read all 60 pages of this thread, but I have not seen enough comments like the one above.
I understand why such a talented player is coveted by many teams, but there are real concerns here. Between the way he handled last year, the extent of the injury that limited him to 7(?) games, and the fact that he has all but committed to the Lakers next year, I don't know why anybody is bothering trying to trade for him.
Kawhi has let everyone know he plans on signing with LA.
Nothing of value should be offered. We don't have assets to burn. We got this roster and the team everyone wants to trade with because we haven't done stupid things like give up good players and picks for a one year rental.
I'll admit I did not read all 60 pages of this thread, but I have not seen enough comments like the one above.
I understand why such a talented player is coveted by many teams, but there are real concerns here. Between the way he handled last year, the extent of the injury that limited him to 7(?) games, and the fact that he has all but committed to the Lakers next year, I don't know why anybody is bothering trying to trade for him.
This x1000...while it's obviously tantalizing to draw up our 2019 lineups with Leonard penciled in...I can only think about how we're going to feel next year at this time when he's standing on a podium with Magic, all smiles while he holds up his new Laker jersey AND we look to a future of hearing about Jaylen Brown leading an invigorated and young Spurs team to the playoffs year after year.
If someone wants to pay a kings ransom for a one year rental...let them. If we want to stay in this to make sure either the Lakers or Sixers have to....awesome. But let's not trick ourselves here...
Feels like the Lakers get it done in the long runremember when George asked to be traded to lakers last season? He changed his mind. Kyrie wanted Knicks. He changed his mind. Ainge is going to gamble
He's throwing away a fortune walking away from a potential supermax. So obviously, the extra $$$ isn't as important to him as getting out of San Antonio.Kawhi has let everyone know he plans on signing with LA.
Nothing of value should be offered. We don't have assets to burn. We got this roster and the team everyone wants to trade with because we haven't done stupid things like give up good players and picks for a one year rental.
I'll admit I did not read all 60 pages of this thread, but I have not seen enough comments like the one above.
I understand why such a talented player is coveted by many teams, but there are real concerns here. Between the way he handled last year, the extent of the injury that limited him to 7(?) games, and the fact that he has all but committed to the Lakers next year, I don't know why anybody is bothering trying to trade for him.
I believe Kawhi has thrown that out there (LA only) because he knows getting traded there is his most logical way there.
If he gets traded elsewhere, he may not be able to get there at all (if they sign two max free agents this summer), and even if he does, it will be for like $50 million less.
I think it’s a bluff that he definitely won’t resign anywhere else and will go to the Clippers if need be. Do you really think he would leave a defending championship squad AND leave $50M on the table in his prime to be on a non-contender in his hometown?
Agreed, although I don't know how anyone can get that sense at all.Feels like the Lakers get it done in the long runremember when George asked to be traded to lakers last season? He changed his mind. Kyrie wanted Knicks. He changed his mind. Ainge is going to gamble
That would be the only reason a trade for KL for KI would make any sense. If you thought you had a better chance of keeping KL over KI.
It's been reported everywhere that Kawhi isn't giving any assurance to anyone other than LAL.
Either this is just SAS posturing for Laker concessions, or Danny Ainge is insane.
Feels like the Lakers get it done in the long runremember when George asked to be traded to lakers last season? He changed his mind. Kyrie wanted Knicks. He changed his mind. Ainge is going to gamble
Kawhi has let everyone know he plans on signing with LA.
Nothing of value should be offered. We don't have assets to burn. We got this roster and the team everyone wants to trade with because we haven't done stupid things like give up good players and picks for a one year rental.
I'll admit I did not read all 60 pages of this thread, but I have not seen enough comments like the one above.
I understand why such a talented player is coveted by many teams, but there are real concerns here. Between the way he handled last year, the extent of the injury that limited him to 7(?) games, and the fact that he has all but committed to the Lakers next year, I don't know why anybody is bothering trying to trade for him.
This x1000...while it's obviously tantalizing to draw up our 2019 lineups with Leonard penciled in...I can only think about how we're going to feel next year at this time when he's standing on a podium with Magic, all smiles while he holds up his new Laker jersey AND we look to a future of hearing about Jaylen Brown leading an invigorated and young Spurs team to the playoffs year after year.
If someone wants to pay a kings ransom for a one year rental...let them. If we want to stay in this to make sure either the Lakers or Sixers have to....awesome. But let's not trick ourselves here...
At the same time, reports this time last year were that Paul George was a lock to go to the Lakers, and now he's apparently leaning toward staying in OKC.
I wouldn't do a trade without a promise to sign, either, but it's not as straightforward as "he's definitely going to the Lakers in a year".
It's been reported everywhere that Kawhi isn't giving any assurance to anyone other than LAL.
Either this is just SAS posturing for Laker concessions, or Danny Ainge is insane.
until now?
https://twitter.com/redsarmy_john/status/1012432719236812802?s=21
New Post: Report: Kawhi Leonard open to playing in other markets (i.e. Boston): Via Sports
It's been reported everywhere that Kawhi isn't giving any assurance to anyone other than LAL.
Either this is just SAS posturing for Laker concessions, or Danny Ainge is insane.
until now?
https://twitter.com/redsarmy_john/status/1012432719236812802?s=21
New Post: Report: Kawhi Leonard open to playing in other markets (i.e. Boston): Via Sports
If this is true, then it may force Danny to increase his offer.
Current thinking is that Tatum is safe but Brown is not.It's been reported everywhere that Kawhi isn't giving any assurance to anyone other than LAL.
Either this is just SAS posturing for Laker concessions, or Danny Ainge is insane.
until now?
https://twitter.com/redsarmy_john/status/1012432719236812802?s=21
New Post: Report: Kawhi Leonard open to playing in other markets (i.e. Boston): Via Sports
If this is true, then it may force Danny to increase his offer.
Will Kawhi sign a 4 or 5 yr extension with Boston? If so, I'm listening. But I still want to keep Tatum.
Current thinking is that Tatum is safe but Brown is not.It's been reported everywhere that Kawhi isn't giving any assurance to anyone other than LAL.
Either this is just SAS posturing for Laker concessions, or Danny Ainge is insane.
until now?
https://twitter.com/redsarmy_john/status/1012432719236812802?s=21
New Post: Report: Kawhi Leonard open to playing in other markets (i.e. Boston): Via Sports
If this is true, then it may force Danny to increase his offer.
Will Kawhi sign a 4 or 5 yr extension with Boston? If so, I'm listening. But I still want to keep Tatum.
Current thinking is that Tatum is safe but Brown is not.It's been reported everywhere that Kawhi isn't giving any assurance to anyone other than LAL.
Either this is just SAS posturing for Laker concessions, or Danny Ainge is insane.
until now?
https://twitter.com/redsarmy_john/status/1012432719236812802?s=21
New Post: Report: Kawhi Leonard open to playing in other markets (i.e. Boston): Via Sports
If this is true, then it may force Danny to increase his offer.
Will Kawhi sign a 4 or 5 yr extension with Boston? If so, I'm listening. But I still want to keep Tatum.
If Danny gets assurance that Kawhi is open to signing an extension, then everyone short of Hayward, Kyrie, Horford and Tatum should be on the table. Get the deal done.
Problem is how do you get him to commit if he opts out next yr... Which he will and he will not negotiate any extensions so he does not lose out money wise... Verbal commitments are meh in this day and age.. For all we know he could pull a Boozer.. Commit but not really on the eleventh hour.
Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts. Any combination that works. Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.
Who?
Tupac is returning for the sequel.
You hear that, Nutso? The boy here says he owes me.Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts. Any combination that works. Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.
Who?
Tupac is returning for the sequel.
Reports out of SA that Popovich is considering a package headlined by Kyle Lee Watson. Motaw, Shep and Flip needed to match salaries.
Problem is how do you get him to commit if he opts out next yr... Which he will and he will not negotiate any extensions so he does not lose out money wise... Verbal commitments are meh in this day and age.. For all we know he could pull a Boozer.. Commit but not really on the eleventh hour.
It’s risky but if your only giving up brown, if he walks your left with replacing a solid bench scorer. which they could potentially get via sign/trade for Kawhi next year or free agency. It’s not ideal but bringing in him and only losing brown and maybe a pick you gotta think that puts them in the title picture as a win. Winning would be enough for him to stay I’d hope.
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Asking for a friend. Who gives the media this much info? You’d think the media are the ones making the trades 😂
10:06 AM - 28 Jun 2018
LOL.
But actually, I'm wondering this too. Do the sources literally just follow the players and GM's around all day?? How the hell does Stephen A. Smith even know who Lebron texted? :P
Like it's one thing for some GM's and FO to leak some rumors to reporters, but I highly doubt the players/FO tell the reporters every single thing they are doing lol.
They implanted an app or a chip in the players' phones to spy and read what they're texting. Therefore, Stephen A. Smith knows what's happening between LBJ and Durant!
also we can try to replace him with either the sac pick or a free agent like klay Thompson . Or worst case someone like reddickProblem is how do you get him to commit if he opts out next yr... Which he will and he will not negotiate any extensions so he does not lose out money wise... Verbal commitments are meh in this day and age.. For all we know he could pull a Boozer.. Commit but not really on the eleventh hour.
It’s risky but if your only giving up brown, if he walks your left with replacing a solid bench scorer. which they could potentially get via sign/trade for Kawhi next year or free agency. It’s not ideal but bringing in him and only losing brown and maybe a pick you gotta think that puts them in the title picture as a win. Winning would be enough for him to stay I’d hope.
I do not think you can ad other players with the sign n trade situation? Can someone verify that?
I don't get the thought process some have that losing Brown is no big deal.Problem is how do you get him to commit if he opts out next yr... Which he will and he will not negotiate any extensions so he does not lose out money wise... Verbal commitments are meh in this day and age.. For all we know he could pull a Boozer.. Commit but not really on the eleventh hour.
It’s risky but if your only giving up brown, if he walks your left with replacing a solid bench scorer. which they could potentially get via sign/trade for Kawhi next year or free agency. It’s not ideal but bringing in him and only losing brown and maybe a pick you gotta think that puts them in the title picture as a win. Winning would be enough for him to stay I’d hope.
If you arent getting a long term assurance u dont do Brown for Leonard straight up. Brown is not a projected as a solid bench scorer, he is better than that right now and still only 21.
I'm not buying the Sixers rumor. Spurs are "strongly interested" in Covington, Saric and 2021 Heat Pick? That's it??!?!?
My guess is, by adding emphasis to the pick, the Spurs are pushing for a draft pick IN addition to Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (S&T). Or Hart. Either Hart or a pick as the fourth asset.
I'm not buying the Sixers rumor. Spurs are "strongly interested" in Covington, Saric and 2021 Heat Pick? That's it??!?!?
My guess is, by adding emphasis to the pick, the Spurs are pushing for a draft pick IN addition to Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (S&T). Or Hart. Either Hart or a pick as the fourth asset.
The WaPo is reporting the Lakers and Nuggets are in discussions to send Faried and/or Wilson Chandler and Darrell Arthur to the Lakers along with a draft pick as a salary dump to avoid luxury tax. All are expiring contracts.
Faried alone has a salary of $13.7M.
It would appear the Lakers want the pick to sweeter the pot for San Antonio. But wouldn't this acquisition effectively eliminate their ability to sign both James and George?
https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/6/28/17516016/rumor-denver-nuggets-interested-in-salary-dump-with-los-angeles-lakers-nba-trade-rumors
You hear that, Nutso? The boy here says he owes me.Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts. Any combination that works. Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.
Who?
Tupac is returning for the sequel.
Reports out of SA that Popovich is considering a package headlined by Kyle Lee Watson. Motaw, Shep and Flip needed to match salaries.
I'm not buying the Sixers rumor. Spurs are "strongly interested" in Covington, Saric and 2021 Heat Pick? That's it??!?!?
My guess is, by adding emphasis to the pick, the Spurs are pushing for a draft pick IN addition to Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (S&T). Or Hart. Either Hart or a pick as the fourth asset.
The WaPo is reporting the Lakers and Nuggets are in discussions to send Faried and/or Wilson Chandler and Darrell Arthur to the Lakers along with a draft pick as a salary dump to avoid luxury tax. All are expiring contracts.
Faried alone has a salary of $13.7M.
It would appear the Lakers want the pick to sweeter the pot for San Antonio. But wouldn't this acquisition effectively eliminate their ability to sign both James and George?
https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/6/28/17516016/rumor-denver-nuggets-interested-in-salary-dump-with-los-angeles-lakers-nba-trade-rumors
Pretty sure it would, but as Woj tweeted yesterday, this move would mean they can trade for Kawhi and have space for 1 max FA, but could also allow them to keep one of Kuzma/Ingram (not trade both to SAS). I think there's belief that PG13 actually stays in OKC. I'd be shocked if he does, but honestly idk anymore lol.
This is a little off topic, but tangentially related
Apparently in his new documentary Paul George mentions the Celtics along with the Lakers and Clippers as teams he's like to play for.
That doesn't really seem financially feasible, but at the very least it shows how much league opinions of this organization have changed.
https://twitter.com/hmfaigen/status/1012465785892032512
mid all the noise, George remains in Indiana (for the time being) and team president Larry Bird has expressed his desire to continue to build around his star player. And according to ESPN’s Zach Lowe, George reportedly has a player in mind of who he’d like to join forces with. “George would love to play with hometown boy Gordon Hayward, according to sources,” Lowe writes. Hayward is an Indianapolis native and played collegiately at Butler. Joining the Pacers would be a homecoming of sorts for the Utah Jazz forward, but Lowe reports it’s “unlikely” that takes place. Hayward is set to become a free agent at the conclusion of the season, though, so moving on from Utah wouldn’t be a stretch of the imagination. Hayward’s head coach at Butler was current Celtics head coach Brad Stevens, so it wouldn’t be surprising if Boston kicked the tires on Hayward this summer.
Read more at: https://nesn.com/2017/03/nba-rumors-pacers-star-paul-george-wants-to-play-with-gordon-hayward/
How are you getting rid of Deng's contract? That's going to cost a lot. If somehow they could get to what you are proposing, they could always waive and stretch Faried's contract over 3 years.I'm not buying the Sixers rumor. Spurs are "strongly interested" in Covington, Saric and 2021 Heat Pick? That's it??!?!?
My guess is, by adding emphasis to the pick, the Spurs are pushing for a draft pick IN addition to Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (S&T). Or Hart. Either Hart or a pick as the fourth asset.
The WaPo is reporting the Lakers and Nuggets are in discussions to send Faried and/or Wilson Chandler and Darrell Arthur to the Lakers along with a draft pick as a salary dump to avoid luxury tax. All are expiring contracts.
Faried alone has a salary of $13.7M.
It would appear the Lakers want the pick to sweeter the pot for San Antonio. But wouldn't this acquisition effectively eliminate their ability to sign both James and George?
https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/6/28/17516016/rumor-denver-nuggets-interested-in-salary-dump-with-los-angeles-lakers-nba-trade-rumors
Pretty sure it would, but as Woj tweeted yesterday, this move would mean they can trade for Kawhi and have space for 1 max FA, but could also allow them to keep one of Kuzma/Ingram (not trade both to SAS). I think there's belief that PG13 actually stays in OKC. I'd be shocked if he does, but honestly idk anymore lol.
If i'm San Antonio I think I'd rather have Kuzma than a mid-late 1st.
I was doing some cap math... which is always dangerous... :D
Assuming the Lakers trade for Kawhi and literally gut their entire team and strip all salary, if they were to absorb Faried's $14M that should indeed take them out of the running for both LeBron and George unless they take a $5M discount.
Faried $14M
Kawhi $20M
LeBron max $35M
George max $30M
8 additional cap hold roster spots $7M total
That adds up to $106M against a $101M cap.
How are you getting rid of Deng's contract? That's going to cost a lot. If somehow they could get to what you are proposing, they could always waive and stretch Faried's contract over 3 years.I'm not buying the Sixers rumor. Spurs are "strongly interested" in Covington, Saric and 2021 Heat Pick? That's it??!?!?
My guess is, by adding emphasis to the pick, the Spurs are pushing for a draft pick IN addition to Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (S&T). Or Hart. Either Hart or a pick as the fourth asset.
The WaPo is reporting the Lakers and Nuggets are in discussions to send Faried and/or Wilson Chandler and Darrell Arthur to the Lakers along with a draft pick as a salary dump to avoid luxury tax. All are expiring contracts.
Faried alone has a salary of $13.7M.
It would appear the Lakers want the pick to sweeter the pot for San Antonio. But wouldn't this acquisition effectively eliminate their ability to sign both James and George?
https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/6/28/17516016/rumor-denver-nuggets-interested-in-salary-dump-with-los-angeles-lakers-nba-trade-rumors
Pretty sure it would, but as Woj tweeted yesterday, this move would mean they can trade for Kawhi and have space for 1 max FA, but could also allow them to keep one of Kuzma/Ingram (not trade both to SAS). I think there's belief that PG13 actually stays in OKC. I'd be shocked if he does, but honestly idk anymore lol.
If i'm San Antonio I think I'd rather have Kuzma than a mid-late 1st.
I was doing some cap math... which is always dangerous... :D
Assuming the Lakers trade for Kawhi and literally gut their entire team and strip all salary, if they were to absorb Faried's $14M that should indeed take them out of the running for both LeBron and George unless they take a $5M discount.
Faried $14M
Kawhi $20M
LeBron max $35M
George max $30M
8 additional cap hold roster spots $7M total
That adds up to $106M against a $101M cap.
To be honest, I would take George over Kawhi. Now before you raise your pitchforks, at least George has the better mentality, and at least told the Pacers that he wanted to be traded. He didn't selectively choose the Lakers as his only destination, thus eroding any trade value he had, (at the time Oladipo/Sabonis wasn't considered a great deal,) and he seems like he is still the solid 2nd/3rd go to option. In our offense, he would be most likely 2nd or even leading in assists in our team. He's a willing passer with the knack to knock down shots, and in our switch heavy defense, he would be playing so many passing lanes for easy steals.
While Kawhi is undoubtedly still a top 7 MVP player when healthy, I'm not sure his baggage and his attitude is worth taking on anymore.
To be honest, I would take George over Kawhi. Now before you raise your pitchforks, at least George has the better mentality, and at least told the Pacers that he wanted to be traded. He didn't selectively choose the Lakers as his only destination, thus eroding any trade value he had, (at the time Oladipo/Sabonis wasn't considered a great deal,) and he seems like he is still the solid 2nd/3rd go to option. In our offense, he would be most likely 2nd or even leading in assists in our team. He's a willing passer with the knack to knock down shots, and in our switch heavy defense, he would be playing so many passing lanes for easy steals.
While Kawhi is undoubtedly still a top 7 MVP player when healthy, I'm not sure his baggage and his attitude is worth taking on anymore.
Have the Spurs given other teams permission to talk to Kawhi's agent? If not, I can't imagine any deal is close. This despite the fact that the C. Paul trade was agreed to on the 28th of last year, George was traded on the 1st, etc.
An added confound is that Kawhi's uncle is his 'agent,' though I think it's unclear if he's his primary agent or not. If the latter, teams may have been bold enough to have already had discussions with his camp. And the Lakers have been calling him for months, regardless.
This is a little off topic, but tangentially related
Apparently in his new documentary Paul George mentions the Celtics along with the Lakers and Clippers as teams he's like to play for.
That doesn't really seem financially feasible, but at the very least it shows how much league opinions of this organization have changed.
https://twitter.com/hmfaigen/status/1012465785892032512
To be honest, I would take George over Kawhi. Now before you raise your pitchforks, at least George has the better mentality, and at least told the Pacers that he wanted to be traded. He didn't selectively choose the Lakers as his only destination, thus eroding any trade value he had, (at the time Oladipo/Sabonis wasn't considered a great deal,) and he seems like he is still the solid 2nd/3rd go to option. In our offense, he would be most likely 2nd or even leading in assists in our team. He's a willing passer with the knack to knock down shots, and in our switch heavy defense, he would be playing so many passing lanes for easy steals.
While Kawhi is undoubtedly still a top 7 MVP player when healthy, I'm not sure his baggage and his attitude is worth taking on anymore.
Same here.
I wonder if a sign and trade around Smart and Brown and/or picks would suffice?
To be honest, I would take George over Kawhi. Now before you raise your pitchforks, at least George has the better mentality, and at least told the Pacers that he wanted to be traded. He didn't selectively choose the Lakers as his only destination, thus eroding any trade value he had, (at the time Oladipo/Sabonis wasn't considered a great deal,) and he seems like he is still the solid 2nd/3rd go to option. In our offense, he would be most likely 2nd or even leading in assists in our team. He's a willing passer with the knack to knock down shots, and in our switch heavy defense, he would be playing so many passing lanes for easy steals.
While Kawhi is undoubtedly still a top 7 MVP player when healthy, I'm not sure his baggage and his attitude is worth taking on anymore.
Same here.
I wonder if a sign and trade around Smart and Brown and/or picks would suffice?
I'm not sure if Ainge would give up Brown for a rental year of Leonard, but I'm a little surprised that so many people think it's out of the question he would do it.
My feeling is that Brown is a borderline all star, which might be why I feel like he's not untouchable. I really like him. He's young, aggressive, and chocked full of potential. I think his floor is Luol Deng, and despite Deng's current albatross contract and crumpled body (Thibs!), he was a really good player for about a decade. Somewhere between Luol Deng and Kawhi Leonard feels like where he'll end up.
That said, a healthy Kawhi on the C's next year puts us at the level of the Warriors and that just isn't something you pass up. Even if Kawhi leaves in 2019 we'd get a really good shot at #18 this year, potentially a better shot that we'd have in any of the subsequent years with Jaylen.
I'm not saying I'd do it, but I'm saying I don't think it's as outrageous to consider.
Ainge wont lose this gameWhy would you think that? The minute you make the trade Kawhi is under zero obligation to do anything next year.
They want JB? Well if Leonard and agent promises to stay long term , he will
If they dont guarantee the best Spurs will receive are picks (and not even the Kings pick)
Lakers sound like they will offer one of Ingram, Kuzma but not both. And have no worthwhile 1sts
Anyone have a strong feeling Danny is going to end up with Leonard? It’s starting to feel real
Anyone have a strong feeling Danny is going to end up with Leonard? It’s starting to feel real
Have the Spurs given other teams permission to talk to Kawhi's agent? If not, I can't imagine any deal is close. This despite the fact that the C. Paul trade was agreed to on the 28th of last year, George was traded on the 1st, etc.
An added confound is that Kawhi's uncle is his 'agent,' though I think it's unclear if he's his primary agent or not. If the latter, teams may have been bold enough to have already had discussions with his camp. And the Lakers have been calling him for months, regardless.(https://media1.giphy.com/media/MkxZKy77sWoEw/giphy.gif)
One point of the Leonard discussion that keeps repeating here....Ainge isn't going to trade Brown for a rental.tp
Stop it. Stop saying it, it isn't going to happen.
Ainge might make a deal for Leonard's last year that would involve no important Celtics starter except Irving who also, only has one year and thus has no more value to the Celtics than Leonard on his final year of his contract would.
Ainge is working on getting acknowledged as one of the top NBA execs of all time. Stop saying he's going to "trade Brown for a rental" and focus on what he might actually be doing in this Leonard deal. It is far more interesting.
Is Ainge just trying to mess with the deal to hurt the Lakers? Or, any other team? Is his tactic to try and drive Leonard's price higher?
I don't think those are the reasons. Ainge may have a deal that does not involve Leonard and this debate might have an impact on that deal.
Leonard
Hayward
Horford
Tatum
Bown
If Irving goes out there's your line up. Is this what Ainge wants? Believe it or not? It works financially.
Is the timing for this roster correct? Are Tatum and Brown NBA title game ready? Well? Would you bet your life on it?
Can this roster beat GSW? It is Ainge's job to win a title not assemble draft picks and young players for an unidentified point in the future. Ainge has all these assets to get the transcendent player(s) that will win the title now.
If Leonard and this roster can get them a title this year? It is Ainge's responsibility to get him and if you think that Ainge would trade Jaylen Brown for one year of Leonard just what have you been smoking for the last 15+ years?
One point of the Leonard discussion that keeps repeating here....Ainge isn't going to trade Brown for a rental.That lineup ain't working. Kyrie would be much more valuable to that lineup than Kawhi. The only way you make that trade is if you think you have a better shot at resigning KL than KI.
Stop it. Stop saying it, it isn't going to happen.
Ainge might make a deal for Leonard's last year that would involve no important Celtics starter except Irving who also, only has one year and thus has no more value to the Celtics than Leonard on his final year of his contract would.
Ainge is working on getting acknowledged as one of the top NBA execs of all time. Stop saying he's going to "trade Brown for a rental" and focus on what he might actually be doing in this Leonard deal. It is far more interesting.
Is Ainge just trying to mess with the deal to hurt the Lakers? Or, any other team? Is his tactic to try and drive Leonard's price higher?
I don't think those are the reasons. Ainge may have a deal that does not involve Leonard and this debate might have an impact on that deal.
Leonard
Hayward
Horford
Tatum
Bown
If Irving goes out there's your line up. Is this what Ainge wants? Believe it or not? It works financially.
Is the timing for this roster correct? Are Tatum and Brown NBA title game ready? Well? Would you bet your life on it?
Can this roster beat GSW? It is Ainge's job to win a title not assemble draft picks and young players for an unidentified point in the future. Ainge has all these assets to get the transcendent player(s) that will win the title now.
If Leonard and this roster can get them a title this year? It is Ainge's responsibility to get him and if you think that Ainge would trade Jaylen Brown for one year of Leonard just what have you been smoking for the last 15+ years?
One point of the Leonard discussion that keeps repeating here....Ainge isn't going to trade Brown for a rental.tp
Stop it. Stop saying it, it isn't going to happen.
Ainge might make a deal for Leonard's last year that would involve no important Celtics starter except Irving who also, only has one year and thus has no more value to the Celtics than Leonard on his final year of his contract would.
Ainge is working on getting acknowledged as one of the top NBA execs of all time. Stop saying he's going to "trade Brown for a rental" and focus on what he might actually be doing in this Leonard deal. It is far more interesting.
Is Ainge just trying to mess with the deal to hurt the Lakers? Or, any other team? Is his tactic to try and drive Leonard's price higher?
I don't think those are the reasons. Ainge may have a deal that does not involve Leonard and this debate might have an impact on that deal.
Leonard
Hayward
Horford
Tatum
Bown
If Irving goes out there's your line up. Is this what Ainge wants? Believe it or not? It works financially.
Is the timing for this roster correct? Are Tatum and Brown NBA title game ready? Well? Would you bet your life on it?
Can this roster beat GSW? It is Ainge's job to win a title not assemble draft picks and young players for an unidentified point in the future. Ainge has all these assets to get the transcendent player(s) that will win the title now.
If Leonard and this roster can get them a title this year? It is Ainge's responsibility to get him and if you think that Ainge would trade Jaylen Brown for one year of Leonard just what have you been smoking for the last 15+ years?
It’s an interesting thought and interesting lineup
Ainge might kill the point guard and go full wing
Spurs beat reporter on podcast said Kyrie would prefer Philly to Boston, wouldn’t re-sign with Celtics. Also said Spurs should hang up on Danny unless he includes Tatum, Brown and a pick.
Personally think the guy is full of it but thought I’d post.
Spurs beat reporter on podcast said Kyrie would prefer Philly to Boston, wouldn’t re-sign with Celtics. Also said Spurs should hang up on Danny unless he includes Tatum, Brown and a pick.
Personally think the guy is full of it but thought I’d post.
Spurs beat reporter on podcast said Kyrie would prefer Philly to Boston, wouldn’t re-sign with Celtics. Also said Spurs should hang up on Danny unless he includes Tatum, Brown and a pick.
Personally think the guy is full of it but thought I’d post.
Does anybody else think we are being used as leverage? It comes out that Spurs are trading Leonard, and immediately its the Celtics and Lakers reported as involved. This is the spurs signaling to the Lakers to start the bidding, and bring your A game because your hated rival with a ton of assets is in this thing. Then names like Brown, Irving get thrown around and the Celtics leak that Brown isn't on the table because they don't wnat to p--- him off and make him think he's in trade talks. We saw how Irving responded to that in Cle last year. Its not worth it to drive up the price on LA if you alienate a young star. Furthermore now we see reports that the Celtics and Spurs have barely even spoken about Kawhi, and no real offers have been made. It seems obvious that the Spurs and Lakers are really negotiating, and it makes sense because thats where Kawhi wants to go, and the Lakers are desperate (a lot more so then the Celtics or 76ers). In the end Kawhi will get traded there for a Ingram, Kuzma, draft pick package is my guess.Even if we don't land him it is useful to drive his price up.
Does anybody else think we are being used as leverage? It comes out that Spurs are trading Leonard, and immediately its the Celtics and Lakers reported as involved. This is the spurs signaling to the Lakers to start the bidding, and bring your A game because your hated rival with a ton of assets is in this thing. Then names like Brown, Irving get thrown around and the Celtics leak that Brown isn't on the table because they don't wnat to p--- him off and make him think he's in trade talks. We saw how Irving responded to that in Cle last year. Its not worth it to drive up the price on LA if you alienate a young star. Furthermore now we see reports that the Celtics and Spurs have barely even spoken about Kawhi, and no real offers have been made. It seems obvious that the Spurs and Lakers are really negotiating, and it makes sense because thats where Kawhi wants to go, and the Lakers are desperate (a lot more so then the Celtics or 76ers). In the end Kawhi will get traded there for a Ingram, Kuzma, draft pick package is my guess.
Speaking to league executive, one thing is clear. Celtics have not received any assurances from Kawhi Leonard that he wants to com here.
I didn't see this anywhere in the thread so I'll post it. At 1:12 yesterday, Mark Murphy tweeted:QuoteSpeaking to league executive, one thing is clear. Celtics have not received any assurances from Kawhi Leonard that he wants to com here.
x 1000I didn't see this anywhere in the thread so I'll post it. At 1:12 yesterday, Mark Murphy tweeted:QuoteSpeaking to league executive, one thing is clear. Celtics have not received any assurances from Kawhi Leonard that he wants to com here.
It’s buried somewhere in here but worth reiterating.
I'm sorry, but why on earth do you think it benefits us in the least for the Lakers to over pay?Does anybody else think we are being used as leverage? It comes out that Spurs are trading Leonard, and immediately its the Celtics and Lakers reported as involved. This is the spurs signaling to the Lakers to start the bidding, and bring your A game because your hated rival with a ton of assets is in this thing. Then names like Brown, Irving get thrown around and the Celtics leak that Brown isn't on the table because they don't wnat to p--- him off and make him think he's in trade talks. We saw how Irving responded to that in Cle last year. Its not worth it to drive up the price on LA if you alienate a young star. Furthermore now we see reports that the Celtics and Spurs have barely even spoken about Kawhi, and no real offers have been made. It seems obvious that the Spurs and Lakers are really negotiating, and it makes sense because thats where Kawhi wants to go, and the Lakers are desperate (a lot more so then the Celtics or 76ers). In the end Kawhi will get traded there for a Ingram, Kuzma, draft pick package is my guess.
Yep, fine by me. Ainge should tell Buford to go crazy with leaked rumors. Both Ainge and Buford want the same thing: the Lakers pay through the nose for him. If we can help with that, we will. If Ainge is worried about players like Brown or Irving getting peeved that they are reportedly being offered, shoot them a text and say don’t sweat it, you’re not going anywhere.
And if the Lakers won’t pony up, maybe we will swoop in.
Win-win for us.
I'm sorry, but why on earth do you think it benefits us in the least for the Lakers to over pay?Does anybody else think we are being used as leverage? It comes out that Spurs are trading Leonard, and immediately its the Celtics and Lakers reported as involved. This is the spurs signaling to the Lakers to start the bidding, and bring your A game because your hated rival with a ton of assets is in this thing. Then names like Brown, Irving get thrown around and the Celtics leak that Brown isn't on the table because they don't wnat to p--- him off and make him think he's in trade talks. We saw how Irving responded to that in Cle last year. Its not worth it to drive up the price on LA if you alienate a young star. Furthermore now we see reports that the Celtics and Spurs have barely even spoken about Kawhi, and no real offers have been made. It seems obvious that the Spurs and Lakers are really negotiating, and it makes sense because thats where Kawhi wants to go, and the Lakers are desperate (a lot more so then the Celtics or 76ers). In the end Kawhi will get traded there for a Ingram, Kuzma, draft pick package is my guess.
Yep, fine by me. Ainge should tell Buford to go crazy with leaked rumors. Both Ainge and Buford want the same thing: the Lakers pay through the nose for him. If we can help with that, we will. If Ainge is worried about players like Brown or Irving getting peeved that they are reportedly being offered, shoot them a text and say don’t sweat it, you’re not going anywhere.
And if the Lakers won’t pony up, maybe we will swoop in.
Win-win for us.
This isn't the 80s. The Lakers are almost utterly inconsequential to the Celtics right now. If I'm Ainge, I'd rather be concerned with showing a little loyalty to my best players. He's on the verge of building a championship contender and lets the media portray it as if he's dying to tear it apart for a one year rental.
I'm sorry, but why on earth do you think it benefits us in the least for the Lakers to over pay?Does anybody else think we are being used as leverage? It comes out that Spurs are trading Leonard, and immediately its the Celtics and Lakers reported as involved. This is the spurs signaling to the Lakers to start the bidding, and bring your A game because your hated rival with a ton of assets is in this thing. Then names like Brown, Irving get thrown around and the Celtics leak that Brown isn't on the table because they don't wnat to p--- him off and make him think he's in trade talks. We saw how Irving responded to that in Cle last year. Its not worth it to drive up the price on LA if you alienate a young star. Furthermore now we see reports that the Celtics and Spurs have barely even spoken about Kawhi, and no real offers have been made. It seems obvious that the Spurs and Lakers are really negotiating, and it makes sense because thats where Kawhi wants to go, and the Lakers are desperate (a lot more so then the Celtics or 76ers). In the end Kawhi will get traded there for a Ingram, Kuzma, draft pick package is my guess.
Yep, fine by me. Ainge should tell Buford to go crazy with leaked rumors. Both Ainge and Buford want the same thing: the Lakers pay through the nose for him. If we can help with that, we will. If Ainge is worried about players like Brown or Irving getting peeved that they are reportedly being offered, shoot them a text and say don’t sweat it, you’re not going anywhere.
And if the Lakers won’t pony up, maybe we will swoop in.
Win-win for us.
This isn't the 80s. The Lakers are almost utterly inconsequential to the Celtics right now. If I'm Ainge, I'd rather be concerned with showing a little loyalty to my best players. He's on the verge of building a championship contender and lets the media portray it as if he's dying to tear it apart for a one year rental.
I agree with your well stated sentiments regarding loyalty to his players. But Danny seems to have a pretty open communication with his players (e.g., Rozier on draft night) and I'm sure is careful to let them know whether the rumors are false or not.
Now whether they believe him is another story altogether!
I'm sorry, but why on earth do you think it benefits us in the least for the Lakers to over pay?Does anybody else think we are being used as leverage? It comes out that Spurs are trading Leonard, and immediately its the Celtics and Lakers reported as involved. This is the spurs signaling to the Lakers to start the bidding, and bring your A game because your hated rival with a ton of assets is in this thing. Then names like Brown, Irving get thrown around and the Celtics leak that Brown isn't on the table because they don't wnat to p--- him off and make him think he's in trade talks. We saw how Irving responded to that in Cle last year. Its not worth it to drive up the price on LA if you alienate a young star. Furthermore now we see reports that the Celtics and Spurs have barely even spoken about Kawhi, and no real offers have been made. It seems obvious that the Spurs and Lakers are really negotiating, and it makes sense because thats where Kawhi wants to go, and the Lakers are desperate (a lot more so then the Celtics or 76ers). In the end Kawhi will get traded there for a Ingram, Kuzma, draft pick package is my guess.
Yep, fine by me. Ainge should tell Buford to go crazy with leaked rumors. Both Ainge and Buford want the same thing: the Lakers pay through the nose for him. If we can help with that, we will. If Ainge is worried about players like Brown or Irving getting peeved that they are reportedly being offered, shoot them a text and say don’t sweat it, you’re not going anywhere.
And if the Lakers won’t pony up, maybe we will swoop in.
Win-win for us.
This isn't the 80s. The Lakers are almost utterly inconsequential to the Celtics right now. If I'm Ainge, I'd rather be concerned with showing a little loyalty to my best players. He's on the verge of building a championship contender and lets the media portray it as if he's dying to tear it apart for a one year rental.
I'm sorry, but why on earth do you think it benefits us in the least for the Lakers to over pay?Does anybody else think we are being used as leverage? It comes out that Spurs are trading Leonard, and immediately its the Celtics and Lakers reported as involved. This is the spurs signaling to the Lakers to start the bidding, and bring your A game because your hated rival with a ton of assets is in this thing. Then names like Brown, Irving get thrown around and the Celtics leak that Brown isn't on the table because they don't wnat to p--- him off and make him think he's in trade talks. We saw how Irving responded to that in Cle last year. Its not worth it to drive up the price on LA if you alienate a young star. Furthermore now we see reports that the Celtics and Spurs have barely even spoken about Kawhi, and no real offers have been made. It seems obvious that the Spurs and Lakers are really negotiating, and it makes sense because thats where Kawhi wants to go, and the Lakers are desperate (a lot more so then the Celtics or 76ers). In the end Kawhi will get traded there for a Ingram, Kuzma, draft pick package is my guess.
Yep, fine by me. Ainge should tell Buford to go crazy with leaked rumors. Both Ainge and Buford want the same thing: the Lakers pay through the nose for him. If we can help with that, we will. If Ainge is worried about players like Brown or Irving getting peeved that they are reportedly being offered, shoot them a text and say don’t sweat it, you’re not going anywhere.
And if the Lakers won’t pony up, maybe we will swoop in.
Win-win for us.
This isn't the 80s. The Lakers are almost utterly inconsequential to the Celtics right now. If I'm Ainge, I'd rather be concerned with showing a little loyalty to my best players. He's on the verge of building a championship contender and lets the media portray it as if he's dying to tear it apart for a one year rental.
If a team that is trying to put together a championship roster gets major talent at a below market cost, that a) gives them additional resources to pursue additional talent and b) means that the Celtics perhaps missed out on acquiring said talent themselves at a reduced rate. I agree that it doesn’t matter if it’s the Lakers compared to the Warriors, Rockets, Cavs (with LeBron), Raptors, or Sixers, but there is always benefit to the Celtics to make sure that competitors are paying the full price for MVP-caliber players, if they are ultimately going to wind up with them anyway.
This is too much:
https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1012718759356878848
I honestly feel bad for them. Not that I think they're blameless, but it's a tough spot for a seemingly good franchise.
I'm sorry, but why on earth do you think it benefits us in the least for the Lakers to over pay?Does anybody else think we are being used as leverage? It comes out that Spurs are trading Leonard, and immediately its the Celtics and Lakers reported as involved. This is the spurs signaling to the Lakers to start the bidding, and bring your A game because your hated rival with a ton of assets is in this thing. Then names like Brown, Irving get thrown around and the Celtics leak that Brown isn't on the table because they don't wnat to p--- him off and make him think he's in trade talks. We saw how Irving responded to that in Cle last year. Its not worth it to drive up the price on LA if you alienate a young star. Furthermore now we see reports that the Celtics and Spurs have barely even spoken about Kawhi, and no real offers have been made. It seems obvious that the Spurs and Lakers are really negotiating, and it makes sense because thats where Kawhi wants to go, and the Lakers are desperate (a lot more so then the Celtics or 76ers). In the end Kawhi will get traded there for a Ingram, Kuzma, draft pick package is my guess.
Yep, fine by me. Ainge should tell Buford to go crazy with leaked rumors. Both Ainge and Buford want the same thing: the Lakers pay through the nose for him. If we can help with that, we will. If Ainge is worried about players like Brown or Irving getting peeved that they are reportedly being offered, shoot them a text and say don’t sweat it, you’re not going anywhere.
And if the Lakers won’t pony up, maybe we will swoop in.
Win-win for us.
This isn't the 80s. The Lakers are almost utterly inconsequential to the Celtics right now. If I'm Ainge, I'd rather be concerned with showing a little loyalty to my best players. He's on the verge of building a championship contender and lets the media portray it as if he's dying to tear it apart for a one year rental.
I agree with your well stated sentiments regarding loyalty to his players. But Danny seems to have a pretty open communication with his players (e.g., Rozier on draft night) and I'm sure is careful to let them know whether the rumors are false or not.
Now whether they believe him is another story altogether!
I doubt he shares anything with them.
They are all multimillionaire professional entertainers, and they realize that part of the job is that they may be required to relocate to another city to do their entertaining.
This is too much:
https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1012718759356878848
I honestly feel bad for them. Not that I think they're blameless, but it's a tough spot for a seemingly good franchise.
Why would they wish him HBD when clearly he's not returning and he burned bridges with that organization lol. Hope he has a horrible birthday unless he's going to Boston with a long-term commitment.
This is too much:
https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1012718759356878848
I honestly feel bad for them. Not that I think they're blameless, but it's a tough spot for a seemingly good franchise.
Why would they wish him HBD when clearly he's not returning and he burned bridges with that organization lol. Hope he has a horrible birthday unless he's going to Boston with a long-term commitment.
At this point, they have nothing to lose and can make another public showing that they want him to stay.
Mike
Now hearing reports that Boston is 'open' to trading Kyrie for Kahwi. I'm thinking this is fake news. If you trade Kyrie you create a hole at the 1. From what I saw, Rozier is nowhere near the level of KI.
Meanwhile the Celtics already have a wealth of wings with Brown, Tatum, Hayward, and add Kahwi on top of that? It would make more sense to move Brown or Hayward so there would be enough wing minutes to go around.
Now hearing reports that Boston is 'open' to trading Kyrie for Kahwi. I'm thinking this is fake news. If you trade Kyrie you create a hole at the 1. From what I saw, Rozier is nowhere near the level of KI.
Meanwhile the Celtics already have a wealth of wings with Brown, Tatum, Hayward, and add Kahwi on top of that? It would make more sense to move Brown or Hayward so there would be enough wing minutes to go around.
Now hearing reports that Boston is 'open' to trading Kyrie for Kahwi. I'm thinking this is fake news. If you trade Kyrie you create a hole at the 1. From what I saw, Rozier is nowhere near the level of KI.
Meanwhile the Celtics already have a wealth of wings with Brown, Tatum, Hayward, and add Kahwi on top of that? It would make more sense to move Brown or Hayward so there would be enough wing minutes to go around.
Reports from where? If there's no source, you're just adding to the noise.
The Cavs discussing Kyrie in trade packages was the beginning of him wanting out. I don't see the Celtics going down the exact same road with Kawhi being such a risk to bolt to the Lakers.
Would Philly consider trading Simmons for Kawhi if Lebron committed to join them? Spurs would do it. Philly would be favored in East, maybe overall. That team would be tough. Plus you avoid the bad mix of Lebron and Simmons.It would be crazy to give up one of your two franchise players, under lock and key for years, for a guy with only one year left. Doesn't matter what Kawhi says, Philly can't take that risk.
Now hearing reports that Boston is 'open' to trading Kyrie for Kahwi. I'm thinking this is fake news. If you trade Kyrie you create a hole at the 1. From what I saw, Rozier is nowhere near the level of KI.
Meanwhile the Celtics already have a wealth of wings with Brown, Tatum, Hayward, and add Kahwi on top of that? It would make more sense to move Brown or Hayward so there would be enough wing minutes to go around.
Would Philly consider trading Simmons for Kawhi if Lebron committed to join them? Spurs would do it. Philly would be favored in East, maybe overall. That team would be tough. Plus you avoid the bad mix of Lebron and Simmons.It would be crazy to give up one of your two franchise players, under lock and key for years, for a guy with only one year left. Doesn't matter what Kawhi says, Philly can't take that risk.
Wasn't the rationale for him in Philly that his uncle is in NJ or some such?Would Philly consider trading Simmons for Kawhi if Lebron committed to join them? Spurs would do it. Philly would be favored in East, maybe overall. That team would be tough. Plus you avoid the bad mix of Lebron and Simmons.It would be crazy to give up one of your two franchise players, under lock and key for years, for a guy with only one year left. Doesn't matter what Kawhi says, Philly can't take that risk.
Heard he’d be more inclined to re-up there, especially if Lebron joined him.
Yeah Lonzo can't be valid trade bait now with the injured meniscus. So Lakers will find it even tougher to provide a matching trade deal for Leonard. They are gonna have to give up a treasure chest -- Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, maybe even Randall to make the salaries match. Is that kind of gutting of the roster worth it for Leonard when they could theoretically just wait a year?
But the other question, will Lebron be willing to goto LA Lakers alone, without having a star like Leonard or George in place willing to go with him right away?
Looking more and more like Kawhi is headed to the 76ers, with LeBron James connected (meeting with reps):
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The #76ers interest in Kawhi Leonard “remains strong,” a league source confirms. The #Spurs, per multiple league sources, remain motivated to trade Leonard.
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So apparently, now we're hearing reports that Kawhi is willing to re-sign with PHI long term.
I think in that case, SAS would ask for more than Saric + Covington + 2021 Heat Pick. They'd definitely want back Fultz in the package. Don't see SAS taking anything less than that package (w/o Fultz), otherwise other teams could and should just make similar offers.
So apparently, now we're hearing reports that Kawhi is willing to re-sign with PHI long term.
I think in that case, SAS would ask for more than Saric + Covington + 2021 Heat Pick. They'd definitely want back Fultz in the package. Don't see SAS taking anything less than that package (w/o Fultz), otherwise other teams could and should just make similar offers.
I like the trade with Fultz, Saric, Covington and picks. I think the East needs another good team and it’s the right thing— even if it means a harder road to the Finals for the C’s. I absolutely LOVE the prospect that the Lakers will not be rewarded for creating cap space. But I’ll believe it when it happens.
It doesn’t surprise me that KL would commit to long-term with Philly. I can’t fathom that LBJ and Kawhi would end up in Philly only to jump to LA in a year. That won’t happen.
Bring on the new rivalry.
So apparently, now we're hearing reports that Kawhi is willing to re-sign with PHI long term.
I think in that case, SAS would ask for more than Saric + Covington + 2021 Heat Pick. They'd definitely want back Fultz in the package. Don't see SAS taking anything less than that package (w/o Fultz), otherwise other teams could and should just make similar offers.
Wow..74 no to 14 yes is kind of a shock..i also voted no..i just dont want this team be torn apart
So apparently, now we're hearing reports that Kawhi is willing to re-sign with PHI long term.
I think in that case, SAS would ask for more than Saric + Covington + 2021 Heat Pick. They'd definitely want back Fultz in the package. Don't see SAS taking anything less than that package (w/o Fultz), otherwise other teams could and should just make similar offers.
Are we really hearing that?
There’s a difference between “Kawhi is willing to resign” and “People in Philly’s organization increasingly believe that Kawhi is willing to resign,” which is what is really coming out. And given that it’s silly season and they just met with Lebron’s people today, that’s likely intentionally leaked to try and increase the chances of getting Lebron.
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This is accurate. If LA doesn’t land him...Kawhi would entertain the possibility of staying with #Sixers beyond next season ... #SpursQuote@IanBegley11:32 AM - 1 Jul 2018
On the Sixers and a potential trade for Kawhi Leonard, it’s worth noting that there are several people with Philadelphia who feel confident that Leonard would strongly consider re-signing there next summer if they traded for him.
So apparently, now we're hearing reports that Kawhi is willing to re-sign with PHI long term.
I think in that case, SAS would ask for more than Saric + Covington + 2021 Heat Pick. They'd definitely want back Fultz in the package. Don't see SAS taking anything less than that package (w/o Fultz), otherwise other teams could and should just make similar offers.
Are we really hearing that?
There’s a difference between “Kawhi is willing to resign” and “People in Philly’s organization increasingly believe that Kawhi is willing to resign,” which is what is really coming out. And given that it’s silly season and they just met with Lebron’s people today, that’s likely intentionally leaked to try and increase the chances of getting Lebron.QuoteJabari Young
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This is accurate. If LA doesn’t land him...Kawhi would entertain the possibility of staying with #Sixers beyond next season ... #SpursQuote@IanBegley11:32 AM - 1 Jul 2018
On the Sixers and a potential trade for Kawhi Leonard, it’s worth noting that there are several people with Philadelphia who feel confident that Leonard would strongly consider re-signing there next summer if they traded for him.
Jabari Young is a reliable Spurs reporter and he's probably talking/leaking from Kawhi's camp.
I feel like the Clippers and Jerry West could try something soon in the Kawhi sweepstakes. Even if it doesn't work, I'd be shocked if they didn't at least make an offer or something.
So apparently, now we're hearing reports that Kawhi is willing to re-sign with PHI long term.
I think in that case, SAS would ask for more than Saric + Covington + 2021 Heat Pick. They'd definitely want back Fultz in the package. Don't see SAS taking anything less than that package (w/o Fultz), otherwise other teams could and should just make similar offers.
Are we really hearing that?
There’s a difference between “Kawhi is willing to resign” and “People in Philly’s organization increasingly believe that Kawhi is willing to resign,” which is what is really coming out. And given that it’s silly season and they just met with Lebron’s people today, that’s likely intentionally leaked to try and increase the chances of getting Lebron.QuoteJabari Young
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This is accurate. If LA doesn’t land him...Kawhi would entertain the possibility of staying with #Sixers beyond next season ... #SpursQuote@IanBegley11:32 AM - 1 Jul 2018
On the Sixers and a potential trade for Kawhi Leonard, it’s worth noting that there are several people with Philadelphia who feel confident that Leonard would strongly consider re-signing there next summer if they traded for him.
Jabari Young is a reliable Spurs reporter and he's probably talking/leaking from Kawhi's camp.
I feel like the Clippers and Jerry West could try something soon in the Kawhi sweepstakes. Even if it doesn't work, I'd be shocked if they didn't at least make an offer or something.
I mean, “willing to resign” is a far cry from “entertain the possibility of resigning” though lol
Still think this is all mainly a ploy to get LA to pay a good price for Kawhi, which is where I think he ultimately ends up.
So apparently, now we're hearing reports that Kawhi is willing to re-sign with PHI long term.
I think in that case, SAS would ask for more than Saric + Covington + 2021 Heat Pick. They'd definitely want back Fultz in the package. Don't see SAS taking anything less than that package (w/o Fultz), otherwise other teams could and should just make similar offers.
Are we really hearing that?
There’s a difference between “Kawhi is willing to resign” and “People in Philly’s organization increasingly believe that Kawhi is willing to resign,” which is what is really coming out. And given that it’s silly season and they just met with Lebron’s people today, that’s likely intentionally leaked to try and increase the chances of getting Lebron.QuoteJabari Young
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This is accurate. If LA doesn’t land him...Kawhi would entertain the possibility of staying with #Sixers beyond next season ... #SpursQuote@IanBegley11:32 AM - 1 Jul 2018
On the Sixers and a potential trade for Kawhi Leonard, it’s worth noting that there are several people with Philadelphia who feel confident that Leonard would strongly consider re-signing there next summer if they traded for him.
Jabari Young is a reliable Spurs reporter and he's probably talking/leaking from Kawhi's camp.
I feel like the Clippers and Jerry West could try something soon in the Kawhi sweepstakes. Even if it doesn't work, I'd be shocked if they didn't at least make an offer or something.
I mean, “willing to resign” is a far cry from “entertain the possibility of resigning” though lol
Still think this is all mainly a ploy to get LA to pay a good price for Kawhi, which is where I think he ultimately ends up.
Lol I guess. Fair point.
Ugh I just want this whole saga to go away soon. Just keep them away from PHI please!
In exchange for Kawhi Leonard, the #Spurs asked the #76ers for three future first-round draft choices and two current players, per a source familiar with the negotiations. Source would not comment yet on which current players SA asked for.
So apparently, now we're hearing reports that Kawhi is willing to re-sign with PHI long term.
I think in that case, SAS would ask for more than Saric + Covington + 2021 Heat Pick. They'd definitely want back Fultz in the package. Don't see SAS taking anything less than that package (w/o Fultz), otherwise other teams could and should just make similar offers.
Are we really hearing that?
There’s a difference between “Kawhi is willing to resign” and “People in Philly’s organization increasingly believe that Kawhi is willing to resign,” which is what is really coming out. And given that it’s silly season and they just met with Lebron’s people today, that’s likely intentionally leaked to try and increase the chances of getting Lebron.QuoteJabari Young
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This is accurate. If LA doesn’t land him...Kawhi would entertain the possibility of staying with #Sixers beyond next season ... #SpursQuote@IanBegley11:32 AM - 1 Jul 2018
On the Sixers and a potential trade for Kawhi Leonard, it’s worth noting that there are several people with Philadelphia who feel confident that Leonard would strongly consider re-signing there next summer if they traded for him.
Jabari Young is a reliable Spurs reporter and he's probably talking/leaking from Kawhi's camp.
I feel like the Clippers and Jerry West could try something soon in the Kawhi sweepstakes. Even if it doesn't work, I'd be shocked if they didn't at least make an offer or something.
So apparently, now we're hearing reports that Kawhi is willing to re-sign with PHI long term.
I think in that case, SAS would ask for more than Saric + Covington + 2021 Heat Pick. They'd definitely want back Fultz in the package. Don't see SAS taking anything less than that package (w/o Fultz), otherwise other teams could and should just make similar offers.
Are we really hearing that?
There’s a difference between “Kawhi is willing to resign” and “People in Philly’s organization increasingly believe that Kawhi is willing to resign,” which is what is really coming out. And given that it’s silly season and they just met with Lebron’s people today, that’s likely intentionally leaked to try and increase the chances of getting Lebron.QuoteJabari Young
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This is accurate. If LA doesn’t land him...Kawhi would entertain the possibility of staying with #Sixers beyond next season ... #SpursQuote@IanBegley11:32 AM - 1 Jul 2018
On the Sixers and a potential trade for Kawhi Leonard, it’s worth noting that there are several people with Philadelphia who feel confident that Leonard would strongly consider re-signing there next summer if they traded for him.
Jabari Young is a reliable Spurs reporter and he's probably talking/leaking from Kawhi's camp.
I feel like the Clippers and Jerry West could try something soon in the Kawhi sweepstakes. Even if it doesn't work, I'd be shocked if they didn't at least make an offer or something.
I listened to Jabari. Thought he had an anti-Boston, pro-Philly bias, which is probably because he’s from Philly. Suggested Pops should hang up the phone unless Boston offered Brown, Tatum and picks, and said Kawhi favored Philly over Boston because he had family nearer Philly, it wasn’t as cold, and also brought up the racial perception of Boston. Impossible to tell whether he was injecting his views or those of Kawaii’s camp. I think he lost credibility by insisting Tatum had to be included in trade package for San Antonio to even talk.
In exchange for Kawhi Leonard, the #Spurs asked the #76ers for three future first-round draft choices and two current players, per a source familiar with the negotiations. Source would not comment yet on which current players SA asked for.
In exchange for Kawhi Leonard, the #Spurs asked the #76ers for three future first-round draft choices and two current players, per a source familiar with the negotiations. Source would not comment yet on which current players SA asked for.
Lol Pop and Buford looking for a Brooklyn-esque haul for Kawhi!
If that’s what they’re asking for, maybe LA really doesn’t have enough to get him, especially with Ball not being a consideration for San Antonio.
LOL I HATE THE SIXERS BUT THIS IS SUCH AN ABSURD TAKE BY WINDHORST :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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So with LeBron off the table, are the Sixers still going to go after Kawhi. It seemed to me that they wanted Kawhi to help get LeBron. Now I would think they would back off some and offer less. That Covington-Saric-Miami Pick offer is probably about as rich as it is going to get.
What can Clippers offer? They at least have a decent shot of re-signing him. Got to be able to offer more than that.
So with LeBron off the table, are the Sixers still going to go after Kawhi. It seemed to me that they wanted Kawhi to help get LeBron. Now I would think they would back off some and offer less. That Covington-Saric-Miami Pick offer is probably about as rich as it is going to get.
I doubt it. Adding Kawhi to a core of Simmons and Embiid would still be a great move for them.
What can Clippers offer? They at least have a decent shot of re-signing him. Got to be able to offer more than that.
They can offer the Spurs minor assets while also keeping him away from the Lakers
Can't see them out bidding the 76ers, though (unless the 76ers don't want to offer much)
What can Clippers offer? They at least have a decent shot of re-signing him. Got to be able to offer more than that.
They can offer the Spurs minor assets while also keeping him away from the Lakers
Can't see them out bidding the 76ers, though (unless the 76ers don't want to offer much)
Yeah. Their recent 11th and 13th picks are fine, and Tobias Harris could be a nice fit in San Antonio. Maybe they could throw an unprotected pick a few years into the future into the deal.
Boston and Philly are not sinking anything into a guy that is leaving in a year.
Boston and Philly are not sinking anything into a guy that is leaving in a year.
After a trip to the Finals, why would he want to leave Boston?
Boston and Philly are not sinking anything into a guy that is leaving in a year.
After a trip to the Finals, why would he want to leave Boston?
Because he's got his eyes set on the Lakers and he's an LA-native. He can still go to the NBA Finals in LA.
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Stephen A. Smith is stating that Kawhi has threatened to sit out next season unless he's traded to LAL.
How true that is is up for debate, but, yeah, I'm glad that we're not more interested in him, as does anyone really doubt that report at this point? Wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. He's really soured his reputation across the league with how he's handled this situation with a top-class organization.
Hopefully Buford and Pop remain hard-headed and either refuse to trade him to LA or just simply refuse to trade him and let him sit out all season. That'd be a major hit to his reputation, and would they even be required to pay him if he's voluntarily sitting out without an injury excuse?
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Stephen A. Smith is stating that Kawhi has threatened to sit out next season unless he's traded to LAL.
How true that is is up for debate, but, yeah, I'm glad that we're not more interested in him, as does anyone really doubt that report at this point? Wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. He's really soured his reputation across the league with how he's handled this situation with a top-class organization.
Hopefully Buford and Pop remain hard-headed and either refuse to trade him to LA or just simply refuse to trade him and let him sit out all season. That'd be a major hit to his reputation, and would they even be required to pay him if he's voluntarily sitting out without an injury excuse?
penalties like that need to be approved by the players union in the CBA.. Never going to happenhttps://twitter.com/IanKenyonNFL/status/1013599162292678657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1013599162292678657&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fsan-antonio-spurs
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Stephen A. Smith is stating that Kawhi has threatened to sit out next season unless he's traded to LAL.
How true that is is up for debate, but, yeah, I'm glad that we're not more interested in him, as does anyone really doubt that report at this point? Wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. He's really soured his reputation across the league with how he's handled this situation with a top-class organization.
Hopefully Buford and Pop remain hard-headed and either refuse to trade him to LA or just simply refuse to trade him and let him sit out all season. That'd be a major hit to his reputation, and would they even be required to pay him if he's voluntarily sitting out without an injury excuse?
Guy threatening to sit should be penalized by the league. At minimum loses salary. Commish may need to step in here if Kawhi sits. I hope Spurs stay firm.
Now hearing reports that Boston is 'open' to trading Kyrie for Kahwi. I'm thinking this is fake news. If you trade Kyrie you create a hole at the 1. From what I saw, Rozier is nowhere near the level of KI.
Meanwhile the Celtics already have a wealth of wings with Brown, Tatum, Hayward, and add Kahwi on top of that? It would make more sense to move Brown or Hayward so there would be enough wing minutes to go around.
The Los Angeles Lakers and San Antonio Spurs have been in touch on a Kawhi Leonard trade two times on Sunday and may talk again this evening.
"San Antonio is asking for the house," said Stephen A. Smith. "Kyle Kuzma is off limits. They're not willing to surrender three picks. Their mentality is that Kawhi Leonard wants to be a Laker (now or in 2019)."
Smith also reports that Leonard could even sit out the 18-19 season if he's not traded to the Lakers. Smith clarified that he's heard this from other executives and not directly from Leonard on that report.
The Lakers are prepared to walk away from trade talks with the Spurs if a deal isn't done by Monday.
The Los Angeles Lakers and San Antonio Spurs have been in touch on a Kawhi Leonard trade two times on Sunday and may talk again this evening.
"San Antonio is asking for the house," said Stephen A. Smith. "Kyle Kuzma is off limits. They're not willing to surrender three picks. Their mentality is that Kawhi Leonard wants to be a Laker (now or in 2019)."
Smith also reports that Leonard could even sit out the 18-19 season if he's not traded to the Lakers. Smith clarified that he's heard this from other executives and not directly from Leonard on that report.
The Lakers are prepared to walk away from trade talks with the Spurs if a deal isn't done by Monday.
Isn't it breach of contract is Kawhi sits out the season? Can't the Spurs take legal action?
The Los Angeles Lakers and San Antonio Spurs have been in touch on a Kawhi Leonard trade two times on Sunday and may talk again this evening.
"San Antonio is asking for the house," said Stephen A. Smith. "Kyle Kuzma is off limits. They're not willing to surrender three picks. Their mentality is that Kawhi Leonard wants to be a Laker (now or in 2019)."
Smith also reports that Leonard could even sit out the 18-19 season if he's not traded to the Lakers. Smith clarified that he's heard this from other executives and not directly from Leonard on that report.
The Lakers are prepared to walk away from trade talks with the Spurs if a deal isn't done by Monday.
penalties like that need to be approved by the players union in the CBA.. Never going to happenhttps://twitter.com/IanKenyonNFL/status/1013599162292678657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1013599162292678657&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fsan-antonio-spurs
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Stephen A. Smith is stating that Kawhi has threatened to sit out next season unless he's traded to LAL.
How true that is is up for debate, but, yeah, I'm glad that we're not more interested in him, as does anyone really doubt that report at this point? Wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. He's really soured his reputation across the league with how he's handled this situation with a top-class organization.
Hopefully Buford and Pop remain hard-headed and either refuse to trade him to LA or just simply refuse to trade him and let him sit out all season. That'd be a major hit to his reputation, and would they even be required to pay him if he's voluntarily sitting out without an injury excuse?
Guy threatening to sit should be penalized by the league. At minimum loses salary. Commish may need to step in here if Kawhi sits. I hope Spurs stay firm.
penalties like that need to be approved by the players union in the CBA.. Never going to happenhttps://twitter.com/IanKenyonNFL/status/1013599162292678657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1013599162292678657&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fsan-antonio-spurs
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Stephen A. Smith is stating that Kawhi has threatened to sit out next season unless he's traded to LAL.
How true that is is up for debate, but, yeah, I'm glad that we're not more interested in him, as does anyone really doubt that report at this point? Wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. He's really soured his reputation across the league with how he's handled this situation with a top-class organization.
Hopefully Buford and Pop remain hard-headed and either refuse to trade him to LA or just simply refuse to trade him and let him sit out all season. That'd be a major hit to his reputation, and would they even be required to pay him if he's voluntarily sitting out without an injury excuse?
Guy threatening to sit should be penalized by the league. At minimum loses salary. Commish may need to step in here if Kawhi sits. I hope Spurs stay firm.
I'm no expert on the CBA but I feel very confident that there are rules about what happens to a player if he decides to not play without medical reason. I also think if there's one team in the league that would be willing to take this stand off all the way, it's the Spurs, especially with where Popovich is right now in his career. He's got nothing to lose.
Does the Boogie GSW signing change Danny's thoughts on offer for KL? Seems the gap between us and GSW just widened. Do we take the risk that KL will love it here?I don't think Boogie changes anything about the Celtics outlook since Boogie is only going to be there one year.
I think the Bucks or Raptors should go all in and acquire Leonard (for different reasons). The East is now more open and both of those teams have an incentive to try and capitalize on the present. For the Raptors it gives them one last hurrah. Add Leonard to DeRozan and you have a dynamite wing combo. Not sure if something like this works for the Spurs, but Powell, Poeltl, and Anunoby I believe gets them enough salary. It would strip the Raptors young guys, but would give them an incredible starting 5 in Lowry, DeRozan, Leonard, Ibaka, and Valanciunas. Maybe you can convince Leonard to stay with that sort of team going forward, especially if they make the finals.I can see the point of Mil or Tor wanting to add Kawhi. I don't think either of those packages comes close though.
The Bucks on the other hand could use a deep run and a vet to help guide Giannis' ascension. And who knows maybe the thought of playing next to Giannis for the next decade sounds appealing to Leonard. A trade centered around Middleton with maybe Brogdon and/or Maker may be appealing to the Spurs. The Bucks also have enough salary that they can swap contracts so like Henson and Mills or Gasol can be added (Spurs shave a year).
Both Milwaukee and Toronto could use a Finals run to really energize their fan bases and Leonard is clearly available and with no one giving up primo assets, it might be the time for the Bucks or Raptors to engage discussions.
The thing is neither Boston nor Philly has offered a really prime asset and the Lakers are only offering 1 in Ingram (I think the Bucks beats Ingram, not sure about the Raptors, but Toronto is not LA which is a big selling point to the Spurs). At this point, there aren't better offers out there and they may not come for the Spurs. That is why I think, those teams should be working the phones.I think the Bucks or Raptors should go all in and acquire Leonard (for different reasons). The East is now more open and both of those teams have an incentive to try and capitalize on the present. For the Raptors it gives them one last hurrah. Add Leonard to DeRozan and you have a dynamite wing combo. Not sure if something like this works for the Spurs, but Powell, Poeltl, and Anunoby I believe gets them enough salary. It would strip the Raptors young guys, but would give them an incredible starting 5 in Lowry, DeRozan, Leonard, Ibaka, and Valanciunas. Maybe you can convince Leonard to stay with that sort of team going forward, especially if they make the finals.I can see the point of Mil or Tor wanting to add Kawhi. I don't think either of those packages comes close though.
The Bucks on the other hand could use a deep run and a vet to help guide Giannis' ascension. And who knows maybe the thought of playing next to Giannis for the next decade sounds appealing to Leonard. A trade centered around Middleton with maybe Brogdon and/or Maker may be appealing to the Spurs. The Bucks also have enough salary that they can swap contracts so like Henson and Mills or Gasol can be added (Spurs shave a year).
Both Milwaukee and Toronto could use a Finals run to really energize their fan bases and Leonard is clearly available and with no one giving up primo assets, it might be the time for the Bucks or Raptors to engage discussions.
I think the Bucks or Raptors should go all in and acquire Leonard (for different reasons). The East is now more open and both of those teams have an incentive to try and capitalize on the present. For the Raptors it gives them one last hurrah. Add Leonard to DeRozan and you have a dynamite wing combo. Not sure if something like this works for the Spurs, but Powell, Poeltl, and Anunoby I believe gets them enough salary. It would strip the Raptors young guys, but would give them an incredible starting 5 in Lowry, DeRozan, Leonard, Ibaka, and Valanciunas. Maybe you can convince Leonard to stay with that sort of team going forward, especially if they make the finals.
The Bucks on the other hand could use a deep run and a vet to help guide Giannis' ascension. And who knows maybe the thought of playing next to Giannis for the next decade sounds appealing to Leonard. A trade centered around Middleton with maybe Brogdon and/or Maker may be appealing to the Spurs. The Bucks also have enough salary that they can swap contracts so like Henson and Mills or Gasol can be added (Spurs shave a year).
Both Milwaukee and Toronto could use a Finals run to really energize their fan bases and Leonard is clearly available and with no one giving up primo assets, it might be the time for the Bucks or Raptors to engage discussions.
Does the Boogie GSW signing change Danny's thoughts on offer for KL? Seems the gap between us and GSW just widened. Do we take the risk that KL will love it here?I don't think Boogie changes anything about the Celtics outlook since Boogie is only going to be there one year.
If anything it makes the all-in potential of a Kawhi deal with no assurances giving up picks and/or Brown less attractive. Why go all in for a guy who's very likely to leave when the GSW have even more talent for that one year rental window.
Does the Boogie GSW signing change Danny's thoughts on offer for KL? Seems the gap between us and GSW just widened. Do we take the risk that KL will love it here?I don't think Boogie changes anything about the Celtics outlook since Boogie is only going to be there one year.
If anything it makes the all-in potential of a Kawhi deal with no assurances giving up picks and/or Brown less attractive. Why go all in for a guy who's very likely to leave when the GSW have even more talent for that one year rental window.
I don't think he stays there one year. I could see him wanting to stay there a while, especially if they keep winning championships. $$ is a factor, but after 2 years wouldn't they get his Bird rights?
Does the Boogie GSW signing change Danny's thoughts on offer for KL? Seems the gap between us and GSW just widened. Do we take the risk that KL will love it here?I don't think Boogie changes anything about the Celtics outlook since Boogie is only going to be there one year.
If anything it makes the all-in potential of a Kawhi deal with no assurances giving up picks and/or Brown less attractive. Why go all in for a guy who's very likely to leave when the GSW have even more talent for that one year rental window.
I don't think he stays there one year. I could see him wanting to stay there a while, especially if they keep winning championships. $$ is a factor, but after 2 years wouldn't they get his Bird rights?
He'd need to play on basically taxpayer MLE deal for 3 full years before they got bird rights. No way he's going to wait that long to get paid after a serious injury.Does the Boogie GSW signing change Danny's thoughts on offer for KL? Seems the gap between us and GSW just widened. Do we take the risk that KL will love it here?I don't think Boogie changes anything about the Celtics outlook since Boogie is only going to be there one year.
If anything it makes the all-in potential of a Kawhi deal with no assurances giving up picks and/or Brown less attractive. Why go all in for a guy who's very likely to leave when the GSW have even more talent for that one year rental window.
I don't think he stays there one year. I could see him wanting to stay there a while, especially if they keep winning championships. $$ is a factor, but after 2 years wouldn't they get his Bird rights?
Unless there’s truly no market for him next summer, I cannot imagine that he pursues the above strategy.Given the shear amount of cap space next year even if he doesn't have a huge market someone will out bid the taxpayer MLE I'd imagine and give him a bigger role.
Unless there’s truly no market for him next summer, I cannot imagine that he pursues the above strategy.Given the shear amount of cap space next year even if he doesn't have a huge market someone will out bid the taxpayer MLE I'd imagine and give him a bigger role.
frankly even then some sad sack franchise might take a 1 year flyer to try and sell some tickets. Cleveland, Atlanta, Chicago, Brooklyn, New York, etc.Unless there’s truly no market for him next summer, I cannot imagine that he pursues the above strategy.Given the shear amount of cap space next year even if he doesn't have a huge market someone will out bid the taxpayer MLE I'd imagine and give him a bigger role.
It’s a little bit more than the taxpayer MLE, since it would be combinations of non-Bird rights or early Bird rights, but yes, the only way he can’t find anything is if he doesn’t suit up or is blamed for causing the Warriors to implode.
frankly even then some sad sack franchise might take a 1 year flyer to try and sell some tickets. Cleveland, Atlanta, Chicago, Brooklyn, New York, etc.Unless there’s truly no market for him next summer, I cannot imagine that he pursues the above strategy.Given the shear amount of cap space next year even if he doesn't have a huge market someone will out bid the taxpayer MLE I'd imagine and give him a bigger role.
It’s a little bit more than the taxpayer MLE, since it would be combinations of non-Bird rights or early Bird rights, but yes, the only way he can’t find anything is if he doesn’t suit up or is blamed for causing the Warriors to implode.
Why didn't New York add Cousins and trade for Leonard.They have no cap space to sign Cousins.
they don't have the assets to trade for Leonard. That should be apparent. As for Cousins, I have no idea, but maybe Cousins just didn't want to go there for a year at 8.8 million. Maybe the Knicks aren't ready to acquire a personality like that. Maybe they figured they had 1 injured big man and would rather not have 2 of them.frankly even then some sad sack franchise might take a 1 year flyer to try and sell some tickets. Cleveland, Atlanta, Chicago, Brooklyn, New York, etc.Unless there’s truly no market for him next summer, I cannot imagine that he pursues the above strategy.Given the shear amount of cap space next year even if he doesn't have a huge market someone will out bid the taxpayer MLE I'd imagine and give him a bigger role.
It’s a little bit more than the taxpayer MLE, since it would be combinations of non-Bird rights or early Bird rights, but yes, the only way he can’t find anything is if he doesn’t suit up or is blamed for causing the Warriors to implode.
Why didn't New York add Cousins and trade for Leonard.
The Los Angeles Lakers and San Antonio Spurs have been in touch on a Kawhi Leonard trade two times on Sunday and may talk again this evening.
"San Antonio is asking for the house," said Stephen A. Smith. "Kyle Kuzma is off limits. They're not willing to surrender three picks. Their mentality is that Kawhi Leonard wants to be a Laker (now or in 2019)."
Smith also reports that Leonard could even sit out the 18-19 season if he's not traded to the Lakers. Smith clarified that he's heard this from other executives and not directly from Leonard on that report.
The Lakers are prepared to walk away from trade talks with the Spurs if a deal isn't done by Monday.
If San Antonio want Dario Saric and Robert Covington and three draft picks from The Sixers, why isn't this a done deal?I don't think they have too much interest in that package right now. Its pretty clear they want a:
If San Antonio want Dario Saric and Robert Covington and three draft picks from The Sixers, why isn't this a done deal?I don't think they have too much interest in that package right now. Its pretty clear they want a:
blue chip prospect
good draft picks
salary relief
The above package only has draft picks, only one of which has much chance of being that good.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap-amp/250566/Kawhi-Leonard-Not-Guaranteed-To-Sign-With-Lakers-In-2019?__twitter_impression=true
Sounds like SA feeding Shams info trying to up the trade offers.
Jordan Schultz
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#Celtics aren't giving up Tatum and are lukewarm on prospect of trading Jaylen Brown, nor do I foresee C's dealing Kyrie. #Lakers aren't keen on dealing Brandon Ingram and #76ers prefer to keep Fultz. I still believe #Kawhi gets dealt -- but to where, I'm really unsure. #Spurs
10:32 AM - 3 Jul 2018
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap-amp/250566/Kawhi-Leonard-Not-Guaranteed-To-Sign-With-Lakers-In-2019?__twitter_impression=true
Sounds like SA feeding Shams info trying to up the trade offers.
San Antonio has to trade Leonard.Leonard has leverage. If you think any team other than LaL will put up a big offer you’re smoking
Another team has to trade for him.
San Antonio is faced with trying to trade a player whom is a "flight risk" after one year.
Leonard has little leverage beyond "I want to go home"...he is not a free agent.
If it has been ordained that the Lakers are going to get him? Then the lack of discussion would indicate that other GM's know what is going on as, that is their job and we await the Leonard to LA tweet or whatever.
The 76ers suck, just got rid of the GM...he isn't going there.
Ainge said "no" to the media and is the record holder for blowing smoke.
OT...what would Red Auerbach do? I'm old, but I'm not Red. I think that Auerbach would sign Leonard. He would sign him for fundamental basketball reasons. Probably Red's biggest reason of all...this Leonard guy can play defense.
Red always did whatever he could to get a player that was strong on defense and offense as they are rare and defense wins big games.
I suggest that Auerbach would trade Brown for Leonard as Leonard is the better of the two players. Will Bprown eventually be as good as Leonard? That wasn't my point. I suggest Auerbach would see Leonard playing for the Celtics for the title or waiting and seeing if Brown ends up "as good" as Leonard.
Issue with this last point is, that Ainge is the GM and years of salary cap hell are right around the corner.
Magic hasn't said anything.
San Antonio just doesn't have that much leverage in this deal and it's best to assume everyone knows it...including Magic.
Everybody made their offer...why change? It's in San Antonio's court.
San Antonio has to trade Leonard.Leonard has leverage. If you think any team other than LaL will put up a big offer you’re smoking
Another team has to trade for him.
San Antonio is faced with trying to trade a player whom is a "flight risk" after one year.
Leonard has little leverage beyond "I want to go home"...he is not a free agent.
If it has been ordained that the Lakers are going to get him? Then the lack of discussion would indicate that other GM's know what is going on as, that is their job and we await the Leonard to LA tweet or whatever.
The 76ers suck, just got rid of the GM...he isn't going there.
Ainge said "no" to the media and is the record holder for blowing smoke.
OT...what would Red Auerbach do? I'm old, but I'm not Red. I think that Auerbach would sign Leonard. He would sign him for fundamental basketball reasons. Probably Red's biggest reason of all...this Leonard guy can play defense.
Red always did whatever he could to get a player that was strong on defense and offense as they are rare and defense wins big games.
I suggest that Auerbach would trade Brown for Leonard as Leonard is the better of the two players. Will Bprown eventually be as good as Leonard? That wasn't my point. I suggest Auerbach would see Leonard playing for the Celtics for the title or waiting and seeing if Brown ends up "as good" as Leonard.
Issue with this last point is, that Ainge is the GM and years of salary cap hell are right around the corner.
Magic hasn't said anything.
San Antonio just doesn't have that much leverage in this deal and it's best to assume everyone knows it...including Magic.
Everybody made their offer...why change? It's in San Antonio's court.
Calling it now- Kawhi Leonard to Denver 8)
Then bolt Denver for LA in 2019.
I just read on Bleacher Report the Spurs are demanding Brandon Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Hart, two firsts and the option to swap two more firsts. My only question is how does a GM make a demand like that with a straight face?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more
I just read on Bleacher Report the Spurs are demanding Brandon Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Hart, two firsts and the option to swap two more firsts. My only question is how does a GM make a demand like that with a straight face?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more
Seems like a reasonable ask. Should be noted if that’s an actual ask Deng is also involved to make salaries work. Taking on Deng’s contract should cost two firsts by itself, and the Lakers with LeBron and Kawhi will not be giving you 1sts in the lottery.
He's potentially a 1 year rental and coming off a major injury. That's way too much to give up if you've got the cap space to get him next offseason.I just read on Bleacher Report the Spurs are demanding Brandon Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Hart, two firsts and the option to swap two more firsts. My only question is how does a GM make a demand like that with a straight face?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more
Seems like a reasonable ask. Should be noted if that’s an actual ask Deng is also involved to make salaries work. Taking on Deng’s contract should cost two firsts by itself, and the Lakers with LeBron and Kawhi will not be giving you 1sts in the lottery.
Yeah, I'll say the same thing I said in the other thread:
They're trading an MVP candidate in his prime. It sounds like a lot but 3 prospects and 4 picks isn't unheard of. Orlando got 6 players, 2 firsts, and 2 seconds for Dwight Howard and washed up Jason Richardson.
He's potentially a 1 year rental and coming off a major injury. That's way too much to give up if you've got the cap space to get him next offseason.I just read on Bleacher Report the Spurs are demanding Brandon Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Hart, two firsts and the option to swap two more firsts. My only question is how does a GM make a demand like that with a straight face?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more
Seems like a reasonable ask. Should be noted if that’s an actual ask Deng is also involved to make salaries work. Taking on Deng’s contract should cost two firsts by itself, and the Lakers with LeBron and Kawhi will not be giving you 1sts in the lottery.
Yeah, I'll say the same thing I said in the other thread:
They're trading an MVP candidate in his prime. It sounds like a lot but 3 prospects and 4 picks isn't unheard of. Orlando got 6 players, 2 firsts, and 2 seconds for Dwight Howard and washed up Jason Richardson.
Edit: If Deng's contract is included that would make it more palatable.
He's potentially a 1 year rental and coming off a major injury. That's way too much to give up if you've got the cap space to get him next offseason.I just read on Bleacher Report the Spurs are demanding Brandon Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Hart, two firsts and the option to swap two more firsts. My only question is how does a GM make a demand like that with a straight face?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more
Seems like a reasonable ask. Should be noted if that’s an actual ask Deng is also involved to make salaries work. Taking on Deng’s contract should cost two firsts by itself, and the Lakers with LeBron and Kawhi will not be giving you 1sts in the lottery.
Yeah, I'll say the same thing I said in the other thread:
They're trading an MVP candidate in his prime. It sounds like a lot but 3 prospects and 4 picks isn't unheard of. Orlando got 6 players, 2 firsts, and 2 seconds for Dwight Howard and washed up Jason Richardson.
Edit: If Deng's contract is included that would make it more palatable.
Really really like Kawhi. Ever since this story broke out, I can't help but wonder
A) whether it's likely that the C's will trade for him
B) how the C's would look like with Kawhi on their roster
Personally speaking, I'd rather part ways with Kyrie instead of Brown. Here is my line of thinking:
Assuming
-Kawhi is willing to commit long term with the C's
or
-Danny believes that Kyrie is planning to leave next summer via free agency
I'd push for a Kyrie for Kawhi straight up deal. Worst case scenario, we include a non Kings/Grizzlies first as well.
Step 2
We trade Morris to the Clips for Beverley.
(https://preview.ibb.co/jXApEy/image.png)
(obviously, these are 2 different trades)
Step 3
Since we can't afford both Smart and Rozier (going forward), I'd trade Rozier at the deadline for the best pick I could possibly get. No point in starting a score-first PG when we 'd already have far too many options on the offensive side of the ball (Kawhi, Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Horford).
So this is how the team would look like come playoffs time next season (hopefully everybody will be healthy for a change)
PG: Beverley, Smart, Wanamaker
SG: Brown, buyout market FA on the minimum (someone who can stretch the floor), Nader
SF: Kawhi, Hayward, Semi
PF: Tatum, Theis, Yabu
C: Horford, Baynes, Williams
Really really like Kawhi. Ever since this story broke out, I can't help but wonder
A) whether it's likely that the C's will trade for him
B) how the C's would look like with Kawhi on their roster
Personally speaking, I'd rather part ways with Kyrie instead of Brown. Here is my line of thinking:
Assuming
-Kawhi is willing to commit long term with the C's
or
-Danny believes that Kyrie is planning to leave next summer via free agency
I'd push for a Kyrie for Kawhi straight up deal. Worst case scenario, we include a non Kings/Grizzlies first as well.
Step 2
We trade Morris to the Clips for Beverley.
(https://preview.ibb.co/jXApEy/image.png)
(obviously, these are 2 different trades)
Step 3
Since we can't afford both Smart and Rozier (going forward), I'd trade Rozier at the deadline for the best pick I could possibly get. No point in starting a score-first PG when we 'd already have far too many options on the offensive side of the ball (Kawhi, Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Horford).
So this is how the team would look like come playoffs time next season (hopefully everybody will be healthy for a change)
PG: Beverley, Smart, Wanamaker
SG: Brown, buyout market FA on the minimum (someone who can stretch the floor), Nader
SF: Kawhi, Hayward, Semi
PF: Tatum, Theis, Yabu
C: Horford, Baynes, Williams
First: I don't think the Spur will trade for Irving with one year left, they want future assests. Guys with multiple years left, young, and possible on rookie contracts, and picks, lots of picks. Irving would be a bad trade for them.
Second: NO way are we paying Hayward 30mil to come off the bench. If a trade of Irving for Leonard happened, it would be Leonard/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford. Leonard and Hayward would handle PG duty, and Leonard and Brown would guard the smalls.
Beverly had micro fracture knee surgery. And you want him to be your starting PG?Kyrie isn't exactly an iron man either. Plus I'd keep Rozier till the trade deadline, so Beverley would be in no rush to play big minutes straight away. Obviously, if Danny believes that Beverley won't return the same player after the injury, I wouldn't trade for him.
Really really like Kawhi. Ever since this story broke out, I can't help but wonder
A) whether it's likely that the C's will trade for him
B) how the C's would look like with Kawhi on their roster
Personally speaking, I'd rather part ways with Kyrie instead of Brown. Here is my line of thinking:
Assuming
-Kawhi is willing to commit long term with the C's
or
-Danny believes that Kyrie is planning to leave next summer via free agency
I'd push for a Kyrie for Kawhi straight up deal. Worst case scenario, we include a non Kings/Grizzlies first as well.
Step 2
We trade Morris to the Clips for Beverley.
(https://preview.ibb.co/jXApEy/image.png)
(obviously, these are 2 different trades)
Step 3
Since we can't afford both Smart and Rozier (going forward), I'd trade Rozier at the deadline for the best pick I could possibly get. No point in starting a score-first PG when we 'd already have far too many options on the offensive side of the ball (Kawhi, Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Horford).
So this is how the team would look like come playoffs time next season (hopefully everybody will be healthy for a change)
PG: Beverley, Smart, Wanamaker
SG: Brown, buyout market FA on the minimum (someone who can stretch the floor), Nader
SF: Kawhi, Hayward, Semi
PF: Tatum, Theis, Yabu
C: Horford, Baynes, Williams
First: I don't think the Spur will trade for Irving with one year left, they want future assests. Guys with multiple years left, young, and possible on rookie contracts, and picks, lots of picks. Irving would be a bad trade for them.
Second: NO way are we paying Hayward 30mil to come off the bench. If a trade of Irving for Leonard happened, it would be Leonard/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford. Leonard and Hayward would handle PG duty, and Leonard and Brown would guard the smalls.
- Kyrie had the Spurs on his list of preferred trade destinations last summer.
- Spurs are telling teams they prefer to remain competitive even with Kawhi Leonard trade. Kyrie is the best return they can possibly get. Not to mention he is just 26 years old.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250418/Spurs-Telling-Teams-They-Prefer-To-Remain-Competitive-Even-With-Kawhi-Leonard-Trade
Regarding your second point, neither Kawhi nor Hayward is a PG. I believe Hayward has what it takes to run a half court offense from time to time, but we need someone who can consistently bring the ball up the court.
I am so confused by what Kawhi wants... That being said... I really want Nasir Little, who I believe will eventually become the next Kawhi. So... I'll wait, and be patient while we draft him, and create the dynasty in 2-3 years from now.
Irving
Brown/Smart
Nasir Little
Tatum
Williams
Oh lawd.
I am so confused by what Kawhi wants... That being said... I really want Nasir Little, who I believe will eventually become the next Kawhi. So... I'll wait, and be patient while we draft him, and create the dynasty in 2-3 years from now.right now, tankaton has the celtics picking at #4 and #10 and #28. ainge can most certainly move up if needed. so, nassir little is possible. hard to believe this team has this much talent AND a couple of potentially excellent draft picks.
Irving
Brown/Smart
Nasir Little
Tatum
Williams
Oh lawd.
I am so confused by what Kawhi wants...I think he pretty clearly wants to be traded before the season to LA, preferably the Lakers.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8wccld/wojnarowski_the_lakers_feel_like_we_arent_going/
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8weew5/michael_c_wright_lakers_are_not_kawhis_preferred/
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Jerry West will swoop in. Mark my words.
The Lakers are content with being relevant. That was the driving force behind their motivations.
I am so confused by what Kawhi wants... That being said... I really want Nasir Little, who I believe will eventually become the next Kawhi. So... I'll wait, and be patient while we draft him, and create the dynasty in 2-3 years from now.
Irving
Brown/Smart
Nasir Little
Tatum
Williams
Oh lawd.
I am so confused by what Kawhi wants... That being said... I really want Nasir Little, who I believe will eventually become the next Kawhi. So... I'll wait, and be patient while we draft him, and create the dynasty in 2-3 years from now.
Irving
Brown/Smart
Nasir Little
Tatum
Williams
Oh lawd.
I'd take Little although Sekou is also extremely intriguing.
Either one and we're set for a decade.
Although I might be able to be sold on Rozier as the PG of the future..
I am so confused by what Kawhi wants... That being said... I really want Nasir Little, who I believe will eventually become the next Kawhi. So... I'll wait, and be patient while we draft him, and create the dynasty in 2-3 years from now.
Irving
Brown/Smart
Nasir Little
Tatum
Williams
Oh lawd.
I'd take Little although Sekou is also extremely intriguing.
Either one and we're set for a decade.
Although I might be able to be sold on Rozier as the PG of the future..
Was agreeing with everything you were saying, until you mentioned Rozier could be our PG of the future. Like the kid, he's a great teammate, but Kyrie is light years above him.
I just looked it up. I wish we could get the Clips pick but if Kawhi goes there next summer than at least we'll get their 1st in 2020 instead of their 2nd rounder.I am so confused by what Kawhi wants... That being said... I really want Nasir Little, who I believe will eventually become the next Kawhi. So... I'll wait, and be patient while we draft him, and create the dynasty in 2-3 years from now.right now, tankaton has the celtics picking at #4 and #10 and #28. ainge can most certainly move up if needed. so, nassir little is possible. hard to believe this team has this much talent AND a couple of potentially excellent draft picks.
Irving
Brown/Smart
Nasir Little
Tatum
Williams
Oh lawd.
we are all spoiled by ainge. ;D
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8wccld/wojnarowski_the_lakers_feel_like_we_arent_going/
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Jerry West will swoop in. Mark my words.
The Lakers are content with being relevant. That was the driving force behind their motivations.
Helps the Clippers pick if that happens. I’m rooting for it.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8weew5/michael_c_wright_lakers_are_not_kawhis_preferred/
Jerry West will swoop in. Mark my words.
The Lakers are content with being relevant. That was the driving force behind their motivations.
Helps the Clippers pick if that happens. I’m rooting for it.
Yeah, I don't know if the Clippers have the assets for it but if he goes there instead of to the Lakers and then helps the Clippers pick to convey as a first, win-win for the Celtics.
What is the protection on the Clipper pick.
and
Why does it always seem that we have a Clipper pick?
Kawhi apparently might sign a deal with Philly next summer. Only Eastern team he would consider. Does Philly step up now?
76ers Considered Only East Team Kawhi Leonard Would Re-Sign With
While the Los Angeles Lakers and Los Angeles Clippers are Kawhi Leonard's preferred teams if he is traded by the San Antonio Spurs, he would consider the Philadelphia 76ers.
"I want to add clarity to that," said Chris Haynes on The Jump. "Los Angeles are his preferred destinations. He will consider Philly. That's the only Eastern Conference team he would consider if they're able to put a package together."
The Boston Celtics have interest in Leonard, but he reportedly doesn't have interest in re-signing with that franchise if he's traded there.
The 76ers are believed to be keeping Markelle Fultz off limits in trade talks with the Spurs.
http://www.espn.com/espnradio/podcast/archive/_/id/15203328
76ers Considered Only East Team Kawhi Leonard Would Re-Sign With
While the Los Angeles Lakers and Los Angeles Clippers are Kawhi Leonard's preferred teams if he is traded by the San Antonio Spurs, he would consider the Philadelphia 76ers.
"I want to add clarity to that," said Chris Haynes on The Jump. "Los Angeles are his preferred destinations. He will consider Philly. That's the only Eastern Conference team he would consider if they're able to put a package together."
The Boston Celtics have interest in Leonard, but he reportedly doesn't have interest in re-signing with that franchise if he's traded there.
The 76ers are believed to be keeping Markelle Fultz off limits in trade talks with the Spurs.
http://www.espn.com/espnradio/podcast/archive/_/id/15203328
I would LOVE to know WHY he would NOT re-sign in Boston!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Smitty77
76ers Considered Only East Team Kawhi Leonard Would Re-Sign With
While the Los Angeles Lakers and Los Angeles Clippers are Kawhi Leonard's preferred teams if he is traded by the San Antonio Spurs, he would consider the Philadelphia 76ers.
"I want to add clarity to that," said Chris Haynes on The Jump. "Los Angeles are his preferred destinations. He will consider Philly. That's the only Eastern Conference team he would consider if they're able to put a package together."
The Boston Celtics have interest in Leonard, but he reportedly doesn't have interest in re-signing with that franchise if he's traded there.
The 76ers are believed to be keeping Markelle Fultz off limits in trade talks with the Spurs.
http://www.espn.com/espnradio/podcast/archive/_/id/15203328
I would LOVE to know WHY he would NOT re-sign in Boston!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Smitty77
Some players honestly could care less if they win or not. Obviously if he wants to leave the Spurs that's strike 1. Doesnt want to go to Boston where he would have a great chance to consistently win. Strike 2. Apparently doesnt want to play with the greatest player since Jordan. Strike 3. I personally have very little interest in a player if they dont care about winning situations.
So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi. It seems Toronto listened.
With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.
I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi. It seems Toronto listened.
With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.
I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi. It seems Toronto listened.
With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.
I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
I’m glad you got Toronto to listen to you, but how come Milwaukee hasn’t yet?
I think it’s a terrible idea for both, but moreso Toronto. They have two all-stars and a deep-ish team, are they really going to break that up for an assured rental that probably doesn’t even get them out of East (let alone a championship)? I think they should trade one (or even both) of their stars, but for a rebuild, not a rental.
As for Milwaukee... what would they give up? Outside of Giannis, who would they want? S&T of Parker? Meh, what else? And that would also almost assuredly be a rental. Going to a smaller market with an already established younger superstar?
So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi. It seems Toronto listened.
With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.
I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
I’m glad you got Toronto to listen to you, but how come Milwaukee hasn’t yet?
I think it’s a terrible idea for both, but moreso Toronto. They have two all-stars and a deep-ish team, are they really going to break that up for an assured rental that probably doesn’t even get them out of East (let alone a championship)? I think they should trade one (or even both) of their stars, but for a rebuild, not a rental.
As for Milwaukee... what would they give up? Outside of Giannis, who would they want? S&T of Parker? Meh, what else? And that would also almost assuredly be a rental. Going to a smaller market with an already established younger superstar?
Why don't people think that adding a top 5 player would make Toronto a contender?
So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi. It seems Toronto listened.
With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.
I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
I’m glad you got Toronto to listen to you, but how come Milwaukee hasn’t yet?
I think it’s a terrible idea for both, but moreso Toronto. They have two all-stars and a deep-ish team, are they really going to break that up for an assured rental that probably doesn’t even get them out of East (let alone a championship)? I think they should trade one (or even both) of their stars, but for a rebuild, not a rental.
As for Milwaukee... what would they give up? Outside of Giannis, who would they want? S&T of Parker? Meh, what else? And that would also almost assuredly be a rental. Going to a smaller market with an already established younger superstar?
Why don't people think that adding a top 5 player would make Toronto a contender?
Also, when you consider Lowry/DeRozan all these years continually choke in the playoffs and underwhelm, I think you'd definitely entertain dealing one of the two and some other assets to acquire Kawhi + Mills (to make salaries all work). San Antonio might not want to go into a full rebuild and maybe willing to take back one of DeRozan/Lowry in a package.
So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi. It seems Toronto listened.
With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.
I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
I’m glad you got Toronto to listen to you, but how come Milwaukee hasn’t yet?
I think it’s a terrible idea for both, but moreso Toronto. They have two all-stars and a deep-ish team, are they really going to break that up for an assured rental that probably doesn’t even get them out of East (let alone a championship)? I think they should trade one (or even both) of their stars, but for a rebuild, not a rental.
As for Milwaukee... what would they give up? Outside of Giannis, who would they want? S&T of Parker? Meh, what else? And that would also almost assuredly be a rental. Going to a smaller market with an already established younger superstar?
Why don't people think that adding a top 5 player would make Toronto a contender?
Also, when you consider Lowry/DeRozan all these years continually choke in the playoffs and underwhelm, I think you'd definitely entertain dealing one of the two and some other assets to acquire Kawhi + Mills (to make salaries all work). San Antonio might not want to go into a full rebuild and maybe willing to take back one of DeRozan/Lowry in a package.
Well I think the idea is actually trying to add Leonard to Demar and Lowry.
So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi. It seems Toronto listened.
With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.
I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
I’m glad you got Toronto to listen to you, but how come Milwaukee hasn’t yet?
I think it’s a terrible idea for both, but moreso Toronto. They have two all-stars and a deep-ish team, are they really going to break that up for an assured rental that probably doesn’t even get them out of East (let alone a championship)? I think they should trade one (or even both) of their stars, but for a rebuild, not a rental.
As for Milwaukee... what would they give up? Outside of Giannis, who would they want? S&T of Parker? Meh, what else? And that would also almost assuredly be a rental. Going to a smaller market with an already established younger superstar?
Why don't people think that adding a top 5 player would make Toronto a contender?
Also, when you consider Lowry/DeRozan all these years continually choke in the playoffs and underwhelm, I think you'd definitely entertain dealing one of the two and some other assets to acquire Kawhi + Mills (to make salaries all work). San Antonio might not want to go into a full rebuild and maybe willing to take back one of DeRozan/Lowry in a package.
Well I think the idea is actually trying to add Leonard to Demar and Lowry.
Hard to do unless SAS is high on a Valanciunas or Ibaka (lol)
Or they could package a bunch of their young guys on cheaper contracts to get it done (including OG), but then that guts their team and weakens their bench considerably.
Toronto's run is over. They are probably going to break up their next year anyway, so why not give it a last chance run at a title. And you never know, maybe Kawhi falls in love with the City and organization like George did in OKC.So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi. It seems Toronto listened.
With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.
I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
I’m glad you got Toronto to listen to you, but how come Milwaukee hasn’t yet?
I think it’s a terrible idea for both, but moreso Toronto. They have two all-stars and a deep-ish team, are they really going to break that up for an assured rental that probably doesn’t even get them out of East (let alone a championship)? I think they should trade one (or even both) of their stars, but for a rebuild, not a rental.
As for Milwaukee... what would they give up? Outside of Giannis, who would they want? S&T of Parker? Meh, what else? And that would also almost assuredly be a rental. Going to a smaller market with an already established younger superstar?
Toronto's run is over. They are probably going to break up their next year anyway, so why not give it a last chance run at a title. And you never know, maybe Kawhi falls in love with the City and organization like George did in OKC.So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi. It seems Toronto listened.
With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.
I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
I’m glad you got Toronto to listen to you, but how come Milwaukee hasn’t yet?
I think it’s a terrible idea for both, but moreso Toronto. They have two all-stars and a deep-ish team, are they really going to break that up for an assured rental that probably doesn’t even get them out of East (let alone a championship)? I think they should trade one (or even both) of their stars, but for a rebuild, not a rental.
As for Milwaukee... what would they give up? Outside of Giannis, who would they want? S&T of Parker? Meh, what else? And that would also almost assuredly be a rental. Going to a smaller market with an already established younger superstar?
If the Raptors traded Powell, OG, Poeltl, Siakam, filler, and their 1st next summer for Kawhi, that would leave the Raptors with the best starting 5 in the East (Lowry, DeRozan, Leonard, Ibaka, Valanciunas), which still has some depth (VanVleet, Wright, Nogueira, Richardson) and a team that at least on paper might give the Warriors fits. I don't see why they wouldn't take that chance. Now the real question is, is that the best the Spurs are going to do.
As others have said, it could be a larger trade where Lowry or DeRozan (and a young player or two) goes out for Leonard and Mills, though I think that is a lesser option for the Raptors because I don't think that makes them the best team in the East.
Milwaukee has plenty of potential trades out there. It could be Parker in a sign and trade or Middleton as the main piece, but they could also include Maker, Brogdon, and/or DiVincenzo. They could also include someone like Henson and take Gasol back (shaving dollars from the Spurs). So is Parker/Middleton, Maker, Brogdon, and DiVincenzo (maybe a 1st) a good enough package for the Spurs, I don't know, but it seems to be better than what Philly and LA have reportedly offered. Post trade the Bucks would be Bledsoe, Leonard, Middleton/Parker, Giannis, Lopez, Snell, Plumlee, Henson, Ilyasova, Delly, Wilson, Jennings, Zeller, etc. That team would have a pretty good shot at coming out of the East, and would pose some issues for the Warriors given the match-up problem Giannis, Leonard, and Middleton/Parker would pose for the Warriors (or for that matter any team). It also is a pretty darn deep team with a well constructed bench. Then you have the outside shot that Giannis and Kawhi really hit it off and Kawhi ends up wanting to spend the rest of his prime with a monster like Giannis next to him.
Toronto's run is over. They are probably going to break up their next year anyway, so why not give it a last chance run at a title. And you never know, maybe Kawhi falls in love with the City and organization like George did in OKC.So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi. It seems Toronto listened.
With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.
I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
I’m glad you got Toronto to listen to you, but how come Milwaukee hasn’t yet?
I think it’s a terrible idea for both, but moreso Toronto. They have two all-stars and a deep-ish team, are they really going to break that up for an assured rental that probably doesn’t even get them out of East (let alone a championship)? I think they should trade one (or even both) of their stars, but for a rebuild, not a rental.
As for Milwaukee... what would they give up? Outside of Giannis, who would they want? S&T of Parker? Meh, what else? And that would also almost assuredly be a rental. Going to a smaller market with an already established younger superstar?
If the Raptors traded Powell, OG, Poeltl, Siakam, filler, and their 1st next summer for Kawhi, that would leave the Raptors with the best starting 5 in the East (Lowry, DeRozan, Leonard, Ibaka, Valanciunas), which still has some depth (VanVleet, Wright, Nogueira, Richardson) and a team that at least on paper might give the Warriors fits. I don't see why they wouldn't take that chance. Now the real question is, is that the best the Spurs are going to do.
As others have said, it could be a larger trade where Lowry or DeRozan (and a young player or two) goes out for Leonard and Mills, though I think that is a lesser option for the Raptors because I don't think that makes them the best team in the East.
Milwaukee has plenty of potential trades out there. It could be Parker in a sign and trade or Middleton as the main piece, but they could also include Maker, Brogdon, and/or DiVincenzo. They could also include someone like Henson and take Gasol back (shaving dollars from the Spurs). So is Parker/Middleton, Maker, Brogdon, and DiVincenzo (maybe a 1st) a good enough package for the Spurs, I don't know, but it seems to be better than what Philly and LA have reportedly offered. Post trade the Bucks would be Bledsoe, Leonard, Middleton/Parker, Giannis, Lopez, Snell, Plumlee, Henson, Ilyasova, Delly, Wilson, Jennings, Zeller, etc. That team would have a pretty good shot at coming out of the East, and would pose some issues for the Warriors given the match-up problem Giannis, Leonard, and Middleton/Parker would pose for the Warriors (or for that matter any team). It also is a pretty darn deep team with a well constructed bench. Then you have the outside shot that Giannis and Kawhi really hit it off and Kawhi ends up wanting to spend the rest of his prime with a monster like Giannis next to him.
Nah. Even assuming Kawhi is mentally and physically healthy it is not close. Ibaka is outright trash. Valenciunas is soft and wildly overrated. Doesn't defend the rim. Lowry is a choker and is past his prime. DeRozan is OK but doesn't play good D. I'd bet other teams would value our players at every single position except SF. Raptors are gonna get exposed once again next year no matter what hey do. They are COOKED
Kyrie > Lowry
Brown = DeRozan
Hayward < Kawhi
Tatum >> Ibaka
Horford >> Valenciunas
Boston Bench >> Toronto Bench
Leonard is refusing any teams access to his medical records. He has not played basketball in over a year and is threatening to sit out this year as well. I'm not interested. The guy is a head case.
Leonard is refusing any teams access to his medical records. He has not played basketball in over a year and is threatening to sit out this year as well. I'm not interested. The guy is a head case.
Which is why the Spurs will take what they can get....
Vegas now favors Raptors as his landing spot.Sure is:
Vegas now favors Raptors as his landing spot.Sure is:
https://fastbreakdaily.com/2018/07/12/leonard-toronto/
Sometimes teams are better off not trading the farm for a player. Sometimes they should. I really don't know what Philly should do. Adding Leonard makes them a true contender, and maybe even the favorite in the East, but if he leaves them then they have killed their real title chances at any point past next season. So they are in a tough spot. The Lakers though should absolutely pony up to get him otherwise they waste one of the few seasons of Lebron's prime that he has left.Vegas now favors Raptors as his landing spot.Sure is:
https://fastbreakdaily.com/2018/07/12/leonard-toronto/
Wow I was starting to think Philly could get him, but they have the same odds as us. Are they really going to roll the dice on getting him or butler next offseason with a million teams having cap space?
Sometimes teams are better off not trading the farm for a player. Sometimes they should. I really don't know what Philly should do. Adding Leonard makes them a true contender, and maybe even the favorite in the East, but if he leaves them then they have killed their real title chances at any point past next season. So they are in a tough spot. The Lakers though should absolutely pony up to get him otherwise they waste one of the few seasons of Lebron's prime that he has left.Vegas now favors Raptors as his landing spot.Sure is:
https://fastbreakdaily.com/2018/07/12/leonard-toronto/
Wow I was starting to think Philly could get him, but they have the same odds as us. Are they really going to roll the dice on getting him or butler next offseason with a million teams having cap space?
No, they're not FA's next offseason. Though they'd have the space to sign a max player.Sometimes teams are better off not trading the farm for a player. Sometimes they should. I really don't know what Philly should do. Adding Leonard makes them a true contender, and maybe even the favorite in the East, but if he leaves them then they have killed their real title chances at any point past next season. So they are in a tough spot. The Lakers though should absolutely pony up to get him otherwise they waste one of the few seasons of Lebron's prime that he has left.Vegas now favors Raptors as his landing spot.Sure is:
https://fastbreakdaily.com/2018/07/12/leonard-toronto/
Wow I was starting to think Philly could get him, but they have the same odds as us. Are they really going to roll the dice on getting him or butler next offseason with a million teams having cap space?
If the price is Covington and Saric and draft picks does that really ruin their future title chances? Can't they still sign the same guys next summer if they lose Leonard? They would still have the same space?
If you were to have asked me a year ago today, who I thought was the one player in the league that just wanted to play basketball and could care less about any drama, I wouldn't have hesitated to say Kawhi. Fast forward to today, and he seems radioactive and completely untrustworthy. I can't remember the last top five player in any sport, devaluating themselves so quickly.
I think he knows/believes that he will receive a max contract next off season. It seems to me, that he is focused on doing anything he can to lower his trade value and decreasing the return for the Spurs. He must really have it out to hurt this Spurs team.
Yeah, it should be interesting to see just how many tens of millions of dollars Kawhi cost himself by handling things the way he did.If you were to have asked me a year ago today, who I thought was the one player in the league that just wanted to play basketball and could care less about any drama, I wouldn't have hesitated to say Kawhi. Fast forward to today, and he seems radioactive and completely untrustworthy. I can't remember the last top five player in any sport, devaluating themselves so quickly.
I think he knows/believes that he will receive a max contract next off season. It seems to me, that he is focused on doing anything he can to lower his trade value and decreasing the return for the Spurs. He must really have it out to hurt this Spurs team.
It’s just a terrible strategy, too. Why not sign the supermax, then demand the trade next off-season.
If you were to have asked me a year ago today, who I thought was the one player in the league that just wanted to play basketball and could care less about any drama, I wouldn't have hesitated to say Kawhi. Fast forward to today, and he seems radioactive and completely untrustworthy. I can't remember the last top five player in any sport, devaluating themselves so quickly.
I think he knows/believes that he will receive a max contract next off season. It seems to me, that he is focused on doing anything he can to lower his trade value and decreasing the return for the Spurs. He must really have it out to hurt this Spurs team.
It’s just a terrible strategy, too. Why not sign the supermax, then demand the trade next off-season.
If you were to have asked me a year ago today, who I thought was the one player in the league that just wanted to play basketball and could care less about any drama, I wouldn't have hesitated to say Kawhi. Fast forward to today, and he seems radioactive and completely untrustworthy. I can't remember the last top five player in any sport, devaluating themselves so quickly.
I think he knows/believes that he will receive a max contract next off season. It seems to me, that he is focused on doing anything he can to lower his trade value and decreasing the return for the Spurs. He must really have it out to hurt this Spurs team.
It’s just a terrible strategy, too. Why not sign the supermax, then demand the trade next off-season.
There is no indication the Spurs ever offered him supermax. If they did, there'd have to be significant injury protection. Assuming he qualifies, they can always offer him supermax next offseason.If you were to have asked me a year ago today, who I thought was the one player in the league that just wanted to play basketball and could care less about any drama, I wouldn't have hesitated to say Kawhi. Fast forward to today, and he seems radioactive and completely untrustworthy. I can't remember the last top five player in any sport, devaluating themselves so quickly.
I think he knows/believes that he will receive a max contract next off season. It seems to me, that he is focused on doing anything he can to lower his trade value and decreasing the return for the Spurs. He must really have it out to hurt this Spurs team.
It’s just a terrible strategy, too. Why not sign the supermax, then demand the trade next off-season.
Boston is farther away from San Antonio than Toronto, and just as cold. In basketball terms, the only thing that mattered was that the trading team was in the EC.
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.
Spurs got a great return for a guy on an expiring contract who sat out more than a year and made it clear he not only wants out, but want to go to LA.
Derozan, Poeltl, and a protected 1st is an awesome return.
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.
It's nice a few months a year. I guess it's a plus that NBA players get to fly South for a lot of November-March.
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.
It's nice a few months a year. I guess it's a plus that NBA players get to fly South for a lot of November-March.
I’d move to Toronto in a heartbeat if my wife and I could find jobs there.
Imagine the Spurs sending him to a cold out of the country Eastern team and that has higher taxes.Gotta love the destination as far from California as you can get.New coach and a dismembered team.He can't sit out or he loses free agent status.Yeah that is just beautiful
DeRozan made sure he doesn't trust management.
For a quiet guy, he is in the center of a toxic situation and risks the hatred of Raptors fans and the constant media attention-not the good kind.
Pops has got to be in hysterics.
The higher Canadian tax situation is the cherry on top.
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.
It's nice a few months a year. I guess it's a plus that NBA players get to fly South for a lot of November-March.
I’d move to Toronto in a heartbeat if my wife and I could find jobs there.
Don't do it! DC needs you!!
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.\
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.yes indeed. it is one of the nicer cities in north america. i urge you all to run up there now and see for yourselves. ;D
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.\
Yeah, it is indeed really nice. Reminds me of a massive version of Portland, ME. Great food, cute girls, lots of money, very low crime, generally nice people. Visually appealing. And a forgiving media.
Also, I haven't heard this mentioned, but the exchange rate is VERY favorable right now. Kawhi is getting paid in American money, and that will go a long way up there. That should help offset the taxes should he choose to stay.
Don't be shocked if he has a change of heart after spending some time there and wants to stay.
Imagine the Spurs sending him to a cold out of the country Eastern team and that has higher taxes.Gotta love the destination as far from California as you can get.New coach and a dismembered team.He can't sit out or he loses free agent status.
DeRozan made sure he doesn't trust management.
For a quiet guy, he is in the center of a toxic situation and risks the hatred of Raptors fans and the constant media attention-not the good kind.
Pops has got to be in hysterics.
The higher Canadian tax situation is the cherry on top.
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.
It's nice a few months a year. I guess it's a plus that NBA players get to fly South for a lot of November-March.
I’d move to Toronto in a heartbeat if my wife and I could find jobs there.
Don't do it! DC needs you!!
It’s too hot here!
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.\
Yeah, it is indeed really nice. Reminds me of a massive version of Portland, ME. Great food, cute girls, lots of money, very low crime, generally nice people. Visually appealing. And a forgiving media.
Also, I haven't heard this mentioned, but the exchange rate is VERY favorable right now. Kawhi is getting paid in American money, and that will go a long way up there. That should help offset the taxes should he choose to stay.
Don't be shocked if he has a change of heart after spending some time there and wants to stay.
I actually see it as a much more polite, smaller version of NYC. Toronto is way bigger than Boston.
It's a great city.
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.
It's nice a few months a year. I guess it's a plus that NBA players get to fly South for a lot of November-March.
I’d move to Toronto in a heartbeat if my wife and I could find jobs there.
Don't do it! DC needs you!!
It’s too hot here!
Last great mind who made such a move was Descartes to Sweden and we all know how this ended. Just don't it salty.
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.
The Spurs never showed interest in packages -- including Boston's -- heavy on picks and unproven players, sources have said. The Celtics would not swap any of their core guys, including Jaylen Brown, perhaps the most interesting Leonard trade chip in the league, without some assurances about Leonard's health and future plans, sources have said.
Not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but Lowe reported the Celtics never made any of their core guys available in a Leonard trade, including Jaylen Brown.QuoteThe Spurs never showed interest in packages -- including Boston's -- heavy on picks and unproven players, sources have said. The Celtics would not swap any of their core guys, including Jaylen Brown, perhaps the most interesting Leonard trade chip in the league, without some assurances about Leonard's health and future plans, sources have said.
Not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but Lowe reported the Celtics never made any of their core guys available in a Leonard trade, including Jaylen Brown.QuoteThe Spurs never showed interest in packages -- including Boston's -- heavy on picks and unproven players, sources have said. The Celtics would not swap any of their core guys, including Jaylen Brown, perhaps the most interesting Leonard trade chip in the league, without some assurances about Leonard's health and future plans, sources have said.
Saw this. This requires one of three conclusions:
1) The Celtics tried to work out a sign and trade involving Marcus Smart
2) The Celtics did not make any offer
3) Zach Lowe is wrong
The Celtics could literally have offered every tradable player under contract, but if they weren’t including any of their top 5, the salaries couldn’t match.
Not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but Lowe reported the Celtics never made any of their core guys available in a Leonard trade, including Jaylen Brown.QuoteThe Spurs never showed interest in packages -- including Boston's -- heavy on picks and unproven players, sources have said. The Celtics would not swap any of their core guys, including Jaylen Brown, perhaps the most interesting Leonard trade chip in the league, without some assurances about Leonard's health and future plans, sources have said.
Saw this. This requires one of three conclusions:
1) The Celtics tried to work out a sign and trade involving Marcus Smart
2) The Celtics did not make any offer
3) Zach Lowe is wrong
The Celtics could literally have offered every tradable player under contract, but if they weren’t including any of their top 5, the salaries couldn’t match.
Or 4) the Celtics made a contingent offer based upon getting the necessary assurances about Kawhi’s health and future plans.
They could have just done a sign and trade with Larkin or Monroe with the 1st year being the only guaranteed year in the contract.Not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but Lowe reported the Celtics never made any of their core guys available in a Leonard trade, including Jaylen Brown.QuoteThe Spurs never showed interest in packages -- including Boston's -- heavy on picks and unproven players, sources have said. The Celtics would not swap any of their core guys, including Jaylen Brown, perhaps the most interesting Leonard trade chip in the league, without some assurances about Leonard's health and future plans, sources have said.
Saw this. This requires one of three conclusions:
1) The Celtics tried to work out a sign and trade involving Marcus Smart
2) The Celtics did not make any offer
3) Zach Lowe is wrong
The Celtics could literally have offered every tradable player under contract, but if they weren’t including any of their top 5, the salaries couldn’t match.
Or 4) the Celtics made a contingent offer based upon getting the necessary assurances about Kawhi’s health and future plans.
For sure 4 is a possibility, but that’s implied as a separate “offer”. For the bolded to be true, it has to be one of the three above. And I’d seen the bolded come from other ESPN reporters too, so it’s possible this is an internal loop at the worldwide leader.
David Robinson tells me Kawhi Leonard’s departure from San Antonio is “one of the oddest situations I’ve seen since I’ve been in pro basketball." He says he tried to reach out to Kawhi several times in recent months, but never got an answer back.
Kawhi passed physical.Seeing Philly spurned by FA's, miss out on Kawhi, lose their GM in an absolute fiasco and be relegated to the third best team in the East long-term would be awesome beyond words. Can't stand many of their players and many of their fans
Trade is official.
Prediction: Kawhi will come to love Toronto, and sign a long term deal with them.
If so, they will be our biggest threat in the Eastern Conference.
Not Philly.
It is slightly colder, but not significantly.Boston is farther away from San Antonio than Toronto, and just as cold. In basketball terms, the only thing that mattered was that the trading team was in the EC.
No way. Toronto is definitely colder.
Also, probably merge topics?
anyone notice that SO FAR this season it's not KL that makes all the difference but actually Lowry? they beat clips and warriors (and others) w/o Kawhi but don't play as well when Lowry is out. Tonight they are down 30 to the magic
although in the playoffs of course their ceiling is higher with both
until they ran into Lebron James. Same thing in each of the last 3 seasons.anyone notice that SO FAR this season it's not KL that makes all the difference but actually Lowry? they beat clips and warriors (and others) w/o Kawhi but don't play as well when Lowry is out. Tonight they are down 30 to the magic
although in the playoffs of course their ceiling is higher with both
They had Lowry last year though, and how far did that get them?
until they ran into Lebron James. Same thing in each of the last 3 seasons.anyone notice that SO FAR this season it's not KL that makes all the difference but actually Lowry? they beat clips and warriors (and others) w/o Kawhi but don't play as well when Lowry is out. Tonight they are down 30 to the magic
although in the playoffs of course their ceiling is higher with both
They had Lowry last year though, and how far did that get them?
His team with Pop and his big 3 has beaten Lebron in a playoffuntil they ran into Lebron James. Same thing in each of the last 3 seasons.anyone notice that SO FAR this season it's not KL that makes all the difference but actually Lowry? they beat clips and warriors (and others) w/o Kawhi but don't play as well when Lowry is out. Tonight they are down 30 to the magic
although in the playoffs of course their ceiling is higher with both
They had Lowry last year though, and how far did that get them?
And Kawhi has already beaten Lebron in a playoff series in which he was the primary defender on Lebron. Kawhi definitely makes the Raptors a much better team.
Whether or not he stays there after this season is a whole other matter though.
Yes, I think that after initially fans didn't give enough attention to Leonard that they're now fearing to continue to underrate and therefore overrate him. Another factor is that people always want to address team's success to individual accomplishments. But Toronto was already an excellent team when DeRozan was there.
Leonard is Toronto's best player, he's a superstar and top 10 in the league, but he isn't a threat like Durant, James or Antetokounmpo who carry their teams every game and are basically unstoppable.
I'm thinking Ainge should've probably made an offer for Kawhi Leonard over the summer. Obviously, include Rozier/Brown/another player and a pick in the deal. He'd give the Celtics more wins and possibly a trip to the Finals. The Raptors-powered team wouldn't be what they are today if Leonard came here.That offer doesn't get Kawhi. The Spurs wanted a star caliber play in return.
But no guarantees of him signing an extension, though Danny can play the convincing game.
They wanted to still compete, I wouldn't be so sure they were actually looking for a star. If Boston had offered Rozier, Brown, Morris, and a couple of 1st's early enough in the process, they might have had a real chance to get Kawhi and depending on what those 1st's were might have been the front runner.I'm thinking Ainge should've probably made an offer for Kawhi Leonard over the summer. Obviously, include Rozier/Brown/another player and a pick in the deal. He'd give the Celtics more wins and possibly a trip to the Finals. The Raptors-powered team wouldn't be what they are today if Leonard came here.That offer doesn't get Kawhi. The Spurs wanted a star caliber play in return.
But no guarantees of him signing an extension, though Danny can play the convincing game.
He often drives a rehabbed ’97 Chevy Tahoe, nicknamed Gas Guzzler, which he drove across Southern California’s Inland Empire as a teenager. “It runs,” Leonard explains, “and it’s paid off.”
Blue book value on that baby is about $1,150, depending on your zip code. Not bad.