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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: csfansince60s on December 24, 2017, 11:42:15 AM
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He says that league execs tell him that we are...the most proactive team out there right now.
http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/chris-mannix-boston-proactively-looking-make-deal
He says to especially pay attention to the Clips, Memphis and Orlando...and to look at both trade and buyout options.
He was talking to Scal and Draper about the need for another offensive weapon.
Lou Williams is the one most mentioned around here.
No chance for 'Reke right?
Who else?
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thanks for the info, but who, or what, is a 'reke??? ???
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thanks for the info, but who, or what, is a 'reke??? ???
His name is tyreke evens. He plays for Memphis. Was a 6th man of the year type player until Mike Conley was injured then he started in Conley's stead. He has been playing his best year of basketball this year. He is 27 or 28 and a bit injury prone but he is on a one year deal.
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ill take both williams and evans for our 2nd unit.
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ill take both williams and evans for our 2nd unit.
Me too!!!!
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I wonder who from Orlando we are interested in?
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I wonder who Ainge is dangling in trade discussions. Smart seems doubtful, Rozier has no value, the bench youth stink..
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I wonder who Ainge is dangling in trade discussions. Smart seems doubtful, Rozier has no value, the bench youth stink..
draft picks? Got lots of them
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I wonder who Ainge is dangling in trade discussions. Smart seems doubtful, Rozier has no value, the bench youth stink..
draft picks? Got lots of them
The Lakers one is looking pretty possible to happen even next year. That would be VERY valuable.
Not saying they have some big value (especially Rozier), but of course you are going to take the worst possible angle on just about any Celtics player tarheel. It's nice that you are predictable.
I feel like they ride it out with Smart. He hasn't been playing so well that he will go make a bunch of money, but I definitely still believe in him and he is a positive player. He just isn't a scorer and sometimes right now the team clearly needs that.
I still think there are smaller moves that are non impact that would help them. Marco Belinelli I would still like to try to get, and I don't see why that would cost anything of real value.
Personally, I think getting some high picks here is really appealing as we have some very expensive star players, as you can get potentially a young star who you are not paying like one for some time (that will happen with Tatum I think). As much as I like Horford, I also think about his age. So I hope we just make smaller tweaks.
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I think the c's need either a solid 3rd string BIG, not al or theis build but a guy like baynes or a pure shooter, scorer for a bench pick up. Morris back will help tons with the second unit. Rozier and smart are to inconsistent on offense. Larkin does a nice job but he's my height!
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I’d like to see ya get Monroe as a buyout candidate from the Suns.
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I wonder who from Orlando we are interested in?
It would have to be Vucevic and/or Simmons. Neither would be rentals and are actually young enough to be part of the team for an extended period.
Vucevic...he's out for the next 6-8 weeks with a fractured hand, but is in the midst of a career year. He's also just 27 and is signed through next season at a team friendly figure of 12.75M.
Compare his numbers to Horford to see how good he's playing:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Al+Horford&player_id1_select=Al+Horford&y1=2018&player_id1=horfoal01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Nikola+Vucevic&player_id2_select=Nikola+Vucevic&y2=2018&player_id2=vucevni01&idx=players
Simmons...he's 28 and his contract is a bargain. It's an unusual descending type deal that reduces to 6M next season and 5.7M the year after. Not bad for a player averaging 15 PPG.
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I wonder who from Orlando we are interested in?
Hezonja is the most likely candidate to me. One year left on his deal.
Love to see him coached by Stevens. He needs a change of scenery.
6'8" guard who can shoot the 3 ball? Sounds good to me.
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I wonder who from Orlando we are interested in?
Hezonja is the most likely candidate to me. One year left on his deal.
Love to see him coached by Stevens. He needs a change of scenery.
6'8" guard who can shoot the 3 ball? Sounds good to me.
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I wonder who from Orlando we are interested in?
Hezonja is the most likely candidate to me. One year left on his deal.
Love to see him coached by Stevens. He needs a change of scenery.
6'8" guard who can shoot the 3 ball? Sounds good to me.
0 chance in hell Danny has interest in him. This dude will be out of the NBA soon enough. Overhyped doesn't put in the work no one likes him he isn't coachable. All the things you hear Orlando media say about the guy.
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Gotta be looking for a bench scorer that fits into the DPE. Belineli is a possibility, but he's really more of a shooter than a scorer
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Simmons, Monroe, Evans all make tons of sense depending on the price. Simmons might even be slightly overrated now, but that's exactly the kind of contract Danny loves to take advantage of with IT, Crowder, etc. Monroe is a great matchup guy to balance out Baynes. Evans is a big offensive upgrade right now on either Rozier or Smart.
Hezonga: buyer beware. The guy hit 8 three pointers in a loss to Detroit and it warped his stats for the whole season. You can literally drop that 1 game and he goes back to looking like 3 years of terribleness. No way we trade for a shooting guard who's bad on both ends of the court. I doubt we'd even waste a 2nd rounder on him.
Bottom line, we have too many guys that aren't scorers: Baynes, Smart, Rozier, Ojeyele, Theis, even Horford is more of a facilitator. Irving/ Brown/ Tatum aren't enough in a league full of teams averaging 105+ ppg.
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Still think Lou Williams would be a perfect fit for what we need. He would be the perfect bench scoring plug that we need, and we could surround him with defenders to make up for his lack of D.
Evans would also be good, though I don't see Memphis trading him.
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The 3 teams mentioned are the Clippers, the Grizzles, and Orlando. Let's make a trade idea for each.
Orlando Magic
Terry Rozier, Abdul Nader, and Marcus Morris to Magic
Jonathan Simmons and Shelvin Mack to the Celtics
The Magic wanted Terry Rozier last year in a trade for Serge Ibaka. That trade fell through because Brad Stevens and Danny Ainge really, really, really like Terry Rozier.
He continues to improve his game and efficiency with more opportunities, but it seems like he is the most likely to be traded (or you could possibly sub Marcus Smart in for Rozier in this trade). The Magic get a good young guard prospect and a veteran forward.
The Celtics get a reunion of Bulldogs (Shelvin Mack, Gordon Hayward, and Brad Stevens). Shelvin Mack has been sneaky good at running offenses in the NBA as a backup -- that's something we desperately need. We also get Simmons, an athletic defensive-first player with good driving ability. In this trade, we get a little smaller, but Simmons can hold his own (and did for the Spurs last year) as a small-ball 4.
Memphis Grizzles
Tyreke Evans to the Celtics
Marcus Smart to the Grizzles
This serves as a reboot for both teams and both guards. Smart is an upgrade offensively over their current starting guard (Andrew Harrison), and the Grizzles have had good luck with former Celtics defensive guards (Tony Allen). Smart could become a crowd favorite in Memphis, and the front office could control his destiny moving forward as a RFA.
The Celtics get more scoring off the bench which is a desperate need with or without Gordon Hayward. It would also be interesting to see what Evans will get in free agency next year after no one wanted him in 2017. Could the Celtics give him a 5 year, 40 million dollar deal? Would he say no? Would another team offer more?
Los Angeles Clippers
Lou Williams to the Celtics
Clippers Pick to the Clippers
This is the Clippers pick the Celtics obtained a while ago. Why not complete the circle and send it back to them. With the way it is going, it was unlikely to be a first round pick anyway, but this way, the Clippers own their own picks.
The Celtics get a scoring threat for their second unit. Although I'm not a big fan of Lou Williams, he may be the best option available.
www.treytalkssports.com/2017/12/24/celtic-trade-ideas-because-reasons/
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Why do we want to trade assets for a bench player? C's aren't winning this year because they make a bench improvement.
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Why do we want to trade assets for a bench player? C's aren't winning this year because they make a bench improvement.
1. We aren't? We have the best record in the league. Why not us? I know we aren't favorites, but if we are there at the end of the season, I think we'd wish we had the extra guys.
2. Because getting bench players like Simmons and Mack on good contracts would give us more trade flexibility next year.
Edit: I guess we don't have the best record in the league anymore, but we are right there.
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Why do we want to trade assets for a bench player? C's aren't winning this year because they make a bench improvement.
1. We aren't? We have the best record in the league. Why not us? I know we aren't favorites, but if we are there at the end of the season, I think we'd wish we had the extra guys.
2. Because getting bench players like Simmons and Mack on good contracts would give us more trade flexibility next year.
Edit: I guess we don't have the best record in the league anymore, but we are right there.
We aren't
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I like the 2 trades but not the Orlando trade..if morris is healthy he's a great asset to this team
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Why do we want to trade assets for a bench player? C's aren't winning this year because they make a bench improvement.
1. We aren't? We have the best record in the league. Why not us? I know we aren't favorites, but if we are there at the end of the season, I think we'd wish we had the extra guys.
2. Because getting bench players like Simmons and Mack on good contracts would give us more trade flexibility next year.
Edit: I guess we don't have the best record in the league anymore, but we are right there.
We aren't
I love a good, hearty, well-thought debate ... ;D ;D
I know that's the common way of thinking, but crazier things have happened.
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Why do we want to trade assets for a bench player? C's aren't winning this year because they make a bench improvement.
Yes we are. Let's go Celtics!!!
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I wonder who Ainge is dangling in trade discussions. Smart seems doubtful, Rozier has no value, the bench youth stink..
draft picks? Got lots of them
The Lakers one is looking pretty possible to happen even next year. That would be VERY valuable.
Not saying they have some big value (especially Rozier), but of course you are going to take the worst possible angle on just about any Celtics player tarheel. It's nice that you are predictable.
I feel like they ride it out with Smart. He hasn't been playing so well that he will go make a bunch of money, but I definitely still believe in him and he is a positive player. He just isn't a scorer and sometimes right now the team clearly needs that.
I still think there are smaller moves that are non impact that would help them. Marco Belinelli I would still like to try to get, and I don't see why that would cost anything of real value.
Personally, I think getting some high picks here is really appealing as we have some very expensive star players, as you can get potentially a young star who you are not paying like one for some time (that will happen with Tatum I think). As much as I like Horford, I also think about his age. So I hope we just make smaller tweaks.
Oh yeah? That's an interesting perspective, chief. What are we basing that on, my dislike for one player? Look forward to hearing more.
I don't put much stock in these rumors -- Ainge is constantly shopping, but his deals always come out of nowhere. That said, given the teams listed, how is the Lakers pick a factor? We're trading a lottery pick for bench help? That's a negative.
Moving anything of value makes little sense to me at this stage, as we aren't contending till next year at the earliest. And our young players have very little value -- hence the need for bench help. I'd suspect birdman is on point that draft picks are the most likely assets to be spent at this stage.
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I wonder who Ainge is dangling in trade discussions. Smart seems doubtful, Rozier has no value, the bench youth stink..
Why does Smart seem doubtful?
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I wonder who Ainge is dangling in trade discussions. Smart seems doubtful, Rozier has no value, the bench youth stink..
Why does Smart seem doubtful?
Just gut intuition, and maybe not... no idea what his market value is atm, and I'd guess that'd be the main determinant. But I actually think he's played very well lately. More within his competency, heady. Stats haven't caught up yet, but from recent games it looks like he has improved a lot in the PnR -- playing well with Theis and baynes in particular. Assuming a move would be to shore up the bench, it'd seem odd to part with our best bench guy
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Maybe, this explains the "extra minutes" end of benchers have been getting of late.
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That's just Danny being Danny, aggressive as always. That's why he's one of the best in the league. He's always exploring avenues, even if there's no "there" there. I'd also ignore rumors except from specific sources.
Maybe, this explains the "extra minutes" end of benchers have been getting of late.
I'd think that if we were trying to maximize value, we'd keep our bench just that - glued to the bench. You can't really showcase borderline NBA talent, which at this point in time many of our bench players are - especially as dysfunctional as our second unit is. No sane GM is going to surrender future picks or valuable players for our bench players without compromise from our side.
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Maybe, this explains the "extra minutes" end of benchers have been getting of late
You mean injuries, right. The end of the benchers we have are not really showcased material.
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From that list of teams, the players i would be most interested in are Vucevic/Simmons from Orlando and Evans from Memphis.
Vucevic is intriguing as he is a big who can score and stretch the floor, something imo that the team is lacking at the moment. Olynyk was (wasn't) a lot of things, but he was always a threat and helped spacing. Vucevic can also chip in with rebounds as well but defensively he leaves a lot to be desired. Also, he's got an extra year at cheapish money.
Simmons is on a long term deal at a great number. He'd be my priority. Around 6 mil per for several seasons which will be key with the C's around the luxury tax issues. Will likely cost more to get. He's also has experience with SA/Popovich and playoff pedigree too.
Evans is the last guy on my list. He's cheap and fits under the DPE. As an expiring who's likely looking for a payday, not sure what Memphis can expect a lot in return. He can shoot the 3 and score, and has experience running an offense and second unit.
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Is there a reason Lou Williams is frowned upon so much here?
I get it, his defense isn't great, but in the playoffs especially, you'll see good teams have guys coming off the bench and scoring at will at times. We literally have no answer there at the moment besides an injured Marcus Morris.
Lou Williams is a guy who could put up 20 points in like 15 minutes off the bench some games, and take over. He's currently averaging 20/5/3 in 31 minutes/game for a bad Clippers team, and I could see him maybe averaging 12-14 PPG off the bench in 15-ish minutes/game.
Surround him with gritty defenders off the bench as well and it would work well. We're ultimately going to need a legitimate scoring spark off the bench and so far the closest guy to that is Larkins (who is doing well, but we'll need another piece IMO).
Our bench is capable of playing good defense and limiting the amount of points the other team gets, BUT it doesn't matter if you simply can't score, and therefore the lead decreases, or deficit increases.
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These teams aren't going to make these trades for spare parts. It takes value to get value. If these teams make trades they want controllable players and picks because they are rebooting.
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For players like Henzonja, Lou Williams, and T Evans they all fit under the DPE salary requirements in the last year of their contracts. Trading for an expiring contract where we won’t have bird rights what kind of added compensation are we adding to the DPE? I would go as far as our own late first round pick, and that’s about it.
We could also save the DPE for a buyout candidate like Monroe, and use matching salaries for one of these players. That makes it more difficult for us as we would be giving up controllable players beyond this year even with someone like Smart who we have his RFA bird rights. Or we could try using lower salaries like Larkin and Nader along with a lower draft pick attached.
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Lou Williams is a guy who could put up 20 points in like 15 minutes off the bench some games, and take over and I could see him maybe averaging 12-14 PPG off the bench in 15-ish minutes/game.
Do you realize that you're insinuating Williams is somehow the best scorer in the NBA and on-par with the 50.4 PPG season Chamberlain averaged in his 48.5 MPG on a per-minute basis?
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These teams aren't going to make these trades for spare parts. It takes value to get value. If these teams make trades they want controllable players and picks because they are rebooting.
The idea of being able to add a first is always value, but I think guys like Semi, Larkin, and Theis have each shown some value as young upside guys.
We might not have many too lotto picks left, the cupboard is far from bare.
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How about Z-bo?
I also like Monroe, Tyreke, Bobby Portis, Jared Dudley, and about 100 other guys that could come in off the bench and add value to a playoff run.
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How about Z-bo?
I also like Monroe, Tyreke, Bobby Portis, Jared Dudley, and about 100 other guys that could come in off the bench and add value to a playoff run.
He'd be great!
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Sign me up for Jonathon Simmons. Gives us another capable wing on the defensive end.
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Is there a reason Lou Williams is frowned upon so much here?
I get it, his defense isn't great, but in the playoffs especially, you'll see good teams have guys coming off the bench and scoring at will at times. We literally have no answer there at the moment besides an injured Marcus Morris.
Lou Williams is a guy who could put up 20 points in like 15 minutes off the bench some games, and take over. He's currently averaging 20/5/3 in 31 minutes/game for a bad Clippers team, and I could see him maybe averaging 12-14 PPG off the bench in 15-ish minutes/game.
Surround him with gritty defenders off the bench as well and it would work well. We're ultimately going to need a legitimate scoring spark off the bench and so far the closest guy to that is Larkins (who is doing well, but we'll need another piece IMO).
Our bench is capable of playing good defense and limiting the amount of points the other team gets, BUT it doesn't matter if you simply can't score, and therefore the lead decreases, or deficit increases.
Saying "his defense isn't great" is a HUGE understatement!! He literally ranks 99th in defensive RPM out of 100 shooting guards. Yes, that means he IS the second WORST defensive SG in the entire league!!!!
That is HORRENDOUS!!!!
Smitty77
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Is there a reason Lou Williams is frowned upon so much here?
I get it, his defense isn't great, but in the playoffs especially, you'll see good teams have guys coming off the bench and scoring at will at times. We literally have no answer there at the moment besides an injured Marcus Morris.
Lou Williams is a guy who could put up 20 points in like 15 minutes off the bench some games, and take over. He's currently averaging 20/5/3 in 31 minutes/game for a bad Clippers team, and I could see him maybe averaging 12-14 PPG off the bench in 15-ish minutes/game.
Surround him with gritty defenders off the bench as well and it would work well. We're ultimately going to need a legitimate scoring spark off the bench and so far the closest guy to that is Larkins (who is doing well, but we'll need another piece IMO).
Our bench is capable of playing good defense and limiting the amount of points the other team gets, BUT it doesn't matter if you simply can't score, and therefore the lead decreases, or deficit increases.
Saying "his defense isn't great" is a HUGE understatement!! He literally ranks 99th in defensive RPM out of 100 shooting guards. Yes, that means he IS the second WORST defensive SG in the entire league!!!!
That is HORRENDOUS!!!!
Smitty77
So what's "defensive RPM"?
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I'd cost a rotation player.
Now, the question is; who'd you give up? and/or who's minutes are you interested in decreasing?
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I think we need a big who can score and play some D. That is going to take a decent pick or two.
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How about Z-bo?
I also like Monroe, Tyreke, Bobby Portis, Jared Dudley, and about 100 other guys that could come in off the bench and add value to a playoff run.
Randolph would be HUGE. He currently has a 21.4 PER and is shooting 52.3% overall and 35.3 from three!!! Also, he is shooting 78% at the FT line!!!
http://www.espn.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/sac/sacramento-kings
He could really almost guarantee that we get to the ECF!!
Smitty77
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The logical pick would be Simmons for Rozier and a decent pick (late 1st/early 2nd)...
A slightly upgrade on size, scoring and playmaking, without losing any defense. With his cheap salary for the next 3 years, he is an absolute bargain asset that won't come cheap.
Orlando gets a year and a half of Rozier before making a decision on him in RFA in 2019. Add in a decent pick and they extend their asset collection.
Use the DPE on a big after the buyout market.
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Is there a reason Lou Williams is frowned upon so much here?
I get it, his defense isn't great, but in the playoffs especially, you'll see good teams have guys coming off the bench and scoring at will at times. We literally have no answer there at the moment besides an injured Marcus Morris.
Lou Williams is a guy who could put up 20 points in like 15 minutes off the bench some games, and take over. He's currently averaging 20/5/3 in 31 minutes/game for a bad Clippers team, and I could see him maybe averaging 12-14 PPG off the bench in 15-ish minutes/game.
Surround him with gritty defenders off the bench as well and it would work well. We're ultimately going to need a legitimate scoring spark off the bench and so far the closest guy to that is Larkins (who is doing well, but we'll need another piece IMO).
Our bench is capable of playing good defense and limiting the amount of points the other team gets, BUT it doesn't matter if you simply can't score, and therefore the lead decreases, or deficit increases.
Saying "his defense isn't great" is a HUGE understatement!! He literally ranks 99th in defensive RPM out of 100 shooting guards. Yes, that means he IS the second WORST defensive SG in the entire league!!!!
That is HORRENDOUS!!!!
Smitty77
So what's "defensive RPM"?
I'm so tired of people referencing RPM, it's the biggest garbage stat on the internet. It's not even a descriptive statistic, it's a predictive statistic that uses inputs like age, years in the league, height, position, ect. In other words, the regressions they run aren't even the same for every player.
I just point and laugh now when I see people reference RPM.
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I wonder who Ainge is dangling in trade discussions. Smart seems doubtful, Rozier has no value, the bench youth stink..
disagree
both have value. Other teams may also had eyes on Semi in the draft. Celts have an assortment of 2nd round picks and also their own 1sts.
At least one move to add offense will happen imo. Celts can also use a backup big who can rebound
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I wonder who Ainge is dangling in trade discussions. Smart seems doubtful, Rozier has no value, the bench youth stink..
disagree
both have value. Other teams may also had eyes on Semi in the draft. Celts have an assortment of 2nd round picks and also their own 1sts.
At least one move to add offense will happen imo. Celts can also use a backup big who can rebound
The only 2nd round pick the C's have is if the Clippers 1st round pick does not convey by 2021. Their own/other 2nd rounders (in '18 & '19) have already been traded.
Just sayin'. All they have is their own 1sts and the LAL/SAC/PHI pick and the Memphis pick.
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The logical pick would be Simmons for Rozier and a decent pick (late 1st/early 2nd)...
A slightly upgrade on size, scoring and playmaking, without losing any defense. With his cheap salary for the next 3 years, he is an absolute bargain asset that won't come cheap.
Orlando gets a year and a half of Rozier before making a decision on him in RFA in 2019. Add in a decent pick and they extend their asset collection.
Use the DPE on a big after the buyout market.
Yeah, I really don't see Orlando trading Simmons right after they just signed him.
Simmons would be a great player to have coming off our bench, though. Very good defensive player, great in transition, and while probably only an average at best perimeter shooter, he is very strong with the ball and attacks the teeth of a defense about as good as any bench wing. He's not much of a facilitator for others though, that's not his game.
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I wonder who Ainge is dangling in trade discussions. Smart seems doubtful, Rozier has no value, the bench youth stink..
disagree
both have value. Other teams may also had eyes on Semi in the draft. Celts have an assortment of 2nd round picks and also their own 1sts.
At least one move to add offense will happen imo. Celts can also use a backup big who can rebound
The only 2nd round pick the C's have is if the Clippers 1st round pick does not convey by 2021. Their own/other 2nd rounders (in '18 & '19) have already been traded.
Just sayin'. All they have is their own 1sts and the LAL/SAC/PHI pick and the Memphis pick.
TP
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I wonder who from Orlando we are interested in?
Hezonja is the most likely candidate to me. One year left on his deal.
Love to see him coached by Stevens. He needs a change of scenery.
6'8" guard who can shoot the 3 ball? Sounds good to me.
Watch this to see all you need to know about Hezonja...LOL... ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcUh_InsSUw
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As others alluded to I think Hezonja is the guy, good contract and would fit nicely in Stevens system.
Stinks Vucevic injured his hand or else I'd say he'd be the guy to get.
Gasol wants out, I know there is no way we could afford him but he would be a great addition to this team right now.
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I wonder who from Orlando we are interested in?
Hezonja is the most likely candidate to me. One year left on his deal.
Love to see him coached by Stevens. He needs a change of scenery.
6'8" guard who can shoot the 3 ball? Sounds good to me.
So easy to fall in love with Mario.
"Dunker that can hit 8 3threes in a game!"
Also, it is so easy to get frustrated watching him play/interact.
Almost like he has a brain wired for an individual sport. Tennis, snowboarding or air rifle.
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To the Hezonja rumors...
If he can't defend, Brad won't play him.
Danny won't waste an asset on a guy that Brad won't play.
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Trade Yabs, Nader, Morris and celtics 2018 first for Vucevic.
Trade DPE and 2019 celtics first for Evans.
Kyrie/Rozier/Larkin
JBrown/Smart/Evans
Tatum/(Hayward when back)/Olejie
Horford/Theis/
Vucevic/Baynes/
of course with Vucevic breaking his hand, you would need to wait till the trade deadline to make the trade.
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To the Hezonja rumors...
If he can't defend, Brad won't play him.
Danny won't waste an asset on a guy that Brad won't play.
Normally I'd agree with you, but that'd mean no Lou Williams either. Also, Evan Turner likely wouldn't have been here based on that one criterion, as he never had the rep as a real willing defender.
My first choice is Tyreke from that group, but I'd settle for Williams or Hezonja. CBS could coach Hezonja up...he's got the raw skills.
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Trade Yabs, Nader, Morris and celtics 2018 first for Vucevic.
Trade DPE and 2019 celtics first for Evans.
Kyrie/Rozier/Larkin
JBrown/Smart/Evans
Tatum/(Hayward when back)/Olejie
Horford/Theis/
Vucevic/Baynes/
of course with Vucevic breaking his hand, you would need to wait till the trade deadline to make the trade.
It's nonsense to trade a first round pick + waste the DPE for a deep bench player.
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Trade Yabs, Nader, Morris and celtics 2018 first for Vucevic.
Trade DPE and 2019 celtics first for Evans.
Kyrie/Rozier/Larkin
JBrown/Smart/Evans
Tatum/(Hayward when back)/Olejie
Horford/Theis/
Vucevic/Baynes/
of course with Vucevic breaking his hand, you would need to wait till the trade deadline to make the trade.
It's nonsense to trade a first round pick + waste the DPE for a deep bench player.
This year he'd probably get 25-30 mpg as backup 3. Morris and semi mins.
and both those picks will be 25 or worse.
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Trade Yabs, Nader, Morris and celtics 2018 first for Vucevic.
Trade DPE and 2019 celtics first for Evans.
Kyrie/Rozier/Larkin
JBrown/Smart/Evans
Tatum/(Hayward when back)/Olejie
Horford/Theis/
Vucevic/Baynes/
of course with Vucevic breaking his hand, you would need to wait till the trade deadline to make the trade.
It's nonsense to trade a first round pick + waste the DPE for a deep bench player.
Well since he has guys in the wrong positions and not in the likely order it doesn't help. Smart is currently our ball handler behind KI. Smart is only filling in at the off guard because of Brown's injury.
I think the idea would be to have Evans become a 6th man scorer type. Unfortunately for us Evans is better with the ball than playing off the ball, which leaves us with Smart or Rozier playing off the ball. But we want smart on the court (for intangibles / def) but we don't want him playing off the ball, his shooting is so bad.
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Does anyone have any idea what the mindset in Orlando is? After their hot start, they have been awful. If they decided Aaron Gordon wasn't a franchise cornerstone, could he be moved? Would the Celtics be able to afford him when his contract is up this summer?
That might be crazy. Orlando doesn't really have incentive to move him. The C's would have to really give something up.
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The player that best fits the C's style of play is Demarcus Cousins. Two questions....Is it financially feasible? Has he grown up?
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the Cs have been aggressive on the trade market for the last 5 years, just Danny doing his usual thing.
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The player that best fits the C's style of play is Demarcus Cousins. Two questions....Is it financially feasible? Has he grown up?
Love to have Cousins on this team..
C-Cousins
PF-Horford
SF-Tatum
SG-Brown
PG-Irving
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Does anyone have any idea what the mindset in Orlando is? After their hot start, they have been awful. If they decided Aaron Gordon wasn't a franchise cornerstone, could he be moved? Would the Celtics be able to afford him when his contract is up this summer?
That might be crazy. Orlando doesn't really have incentive to move him. The C's would have to really give something up.
It's too bad they didn't go for Gordon when he was probably available. I mentioned on here early on in preseason and start of the year that he was the only Magic player I wanted. Of course now he would likely cost too much.
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The player that best fits the C's style of play is Demarcus Cousins. Two questions....Is it financially feasible? Has he grown up?
-Smart, Morris, Baynes, Nader and Yab equal his trade number.
-Throw in two 1st (C's and Grizz pick)
-Offer DPE for any one year contract they want to dump.
He would need to be resigned. This is probably the only way to acquire another big time player given salaries.
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The player that best fits the C's style of play is Demarcus Cousins. Two questions....Is it financially feasible? Has he grown up?
-Smart, Morris, Baynes, Nader and Yab equal his trade number.
-Throw in two 1st (C's and Grizz pick)
-Offer DPE for any one year contract they want to dump.
He would need to be resigned. This is probably the only way to acquire another big time player given salaries.
If Danny & co. were interested, they would've traded for him when he was in Sacramento but by all accounts, we weren't. The ship has sailed.
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The player that best fits the C's style of play is Demarcus Cousins. Two questions....Is it financially feasible? Has he grown up?
-Smart, Morris, Baynes, Nader and Yab equal his trade number.
-Throw in two 1st (C's and Grizz pick)
-Offer DPE for any one year contract they want to dump.
He would need to be resigned. This is probably the only way to acquire another big time player given salaries.
If Danny & co. were interested, they would've traded for him when he was in Sacramento but by all accounts, we weren't. The ship has sailed.
A lot has changed since then.
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The player that best fits the C's style of play is Demarcus Cousins. Two questions....Is it financially feasible? Has he grown up?
-Smart, Morris, Baynes, Nader and Yab equal his trade number.
-Throw in two 1st (C's and Grizz pick)
-Offer DPE for any one year contract they want to dump.
He would need to be resigned. This is probably the only way to acquire another big time player given salaries.
If Danny & co. were interested, they would've traded for him when he was in Sacramento but by all accounts, we weren't. The ship has sailed.
A lot has changed since then.
Especially the cost to get him.
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The player that best fits the C's style of play is Demarcus Cousins. Two questions....Is it financially feasible? Has he grown up?
-Smart, Morris, Baynes, Nader and Yab equal his trade number.
-Throw in two 1st (C's and Grizz pick)
-Offer DPE for any one year contract they want to dump.
He would need to be resigned. This is probably the only way to acquire another big time player given salaries.
If Danny & co. were interested, they would've traded for him when he was in Sacramento but by all accounts, we weren't. The ship has sailed.
A lot has changed since then.
Not really. Cs still think the same of the player and aren't interested. It's Davis they covet.
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The player that best fits the C's style of play is Demarcus Cousins. Two questions....Is it financially feasible? Has he grown up?
-Smart, Morris, Baynes, Nader and Yab equal his trade number.
-Throw in two 1st (C's and Grizz pick)
-Offer DPE for any one year contract they want to dump.
He would need to be resigned. This is probably the only way to acquire another big time player given salaries.
If Danny & co. were interested, they would've traded for him when he was in Sacramento but by all accounts, we weren't. The ship has sailed.
A lot has changed since then.
Especially the cost to get him.
So, cost goes down?
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The player that best fits the C's style of play is Demarcus Cousins. Two questions....Is it financially feasible? Has he grown up?
-Smart, Morris, Baynes, Nader and Yab equal his trade number.
-Throw in two 1st (C's and Grizz pick)
-Offer DPE for any one year contract they want to dump.
He would need to be resigned. This is probably the only way to acquire another big time player given salaries.
If Danny & co. were interested, they would've traded for him when he was in Sacramento but by all accounts, we weren't. The ship has sailed.
A lot has changed since then.
Especially the cost to get him.
So, cost goes down?
Cost was pretty cheap last year, what would make you think it's gone down?
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The player that best fits the C's style of play is Demarcus Cousins. Two questions....Is it financially feasible? Has he grown up?
-Smart, Morris, Baynes, Nader and Yab equal his trade number.
-Throw in two 1st (C's and Grizz pick)
-Offer DPE for any one year contract they want to dump.
He would need to be resigned. This is probably the only way to acquire another big time player given salaries.
If Danny & co. were interested, they would've traded for him when he was in Sacramento but by all accounts, we weren't. The ship has sailed.
A lot has changed since then.
Especially the cost to get him.
So, cost goes down?
It was not a cost decision. The Celtics did not make an offer last year on Cousins. They weren’t interested. I don’t know if that has changed this year, but my gut says it hasn’t.
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The player that best fits the C's style of play is Demarcus Cousins. Two questions....Is it financially feasible? Has he grown up?
-Smart, Morris, Baynes, Nader and Yab equal his trade number.
-Throw in two 1st (C's and Grizz pick)
-Offer DPE for any one year contract they want to dump.
He would need to be resigned. This is probably the only way to acquire another big time player given salaries.
If Danny & co. were interested, they would've traded for him when he was in Sacramento but by all accounts, we weren't. The ship has sailed.
A lot has changed since then.
Not Cousins, unfortunately.
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The player that best fits the C's style of play is Demarcus Cousins. Two questions....Is it financially feasible? Has he grown up?
-Smart, Morris, Baynes, Nader and Yab equal his trade number.
-Throw in two 1st (C's and Grizz pick)
-Offer DPE for any one year contract they want to dump.
He would need to be resigned. This is probably the only way to acquire another big time player given salaries.
If Danny & co. were interested, they would've traded for him when he was in Sacramento but by all accounts, we weren't. The ship has sailed.
A lot has changed since then.
Not Cousins, unfortunately.
I guess you haven't been paying much attention this year
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Trouble is most teams will want either Brown or Tatum, before they wanted picks not they will want the picks we took that can play. The problem is, as is the case of most proposed trades, is that we can't get rid of our ok players to get a good player. No team will do that without some good picks, not our own and Memphis to get this done.
The rest of the league does not simply operate under the premise of our job is to make Boston better. They want quality returns in a trade, and not just the guys your willing to part with.
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Trouble is most teams will want either Brown or Tatum, before they wanted picks not they will want the picks we took that can play. The problem is, as is the case of most proposed trades, is that we can't get rid of our ok players to get a good player. No team will do that without some good picks, not our own and Memphis to get this done.
The rest of the league does not simply operate under the premise of our job is to make Boston better. They want quality returns in a trade, and not just the guys your willing to part with.
I'm sure Danny would love to get an all star but at the same time getting good bench players would be a major help. Don't think we need to give up our top prospects for solid rotation guys. Also in some peoples minds Smart alone could fetch you an elite player!
One thing I love about this site is how people hold on to their binkies. Cousins again? LoL