John Wall

[No Nickname]

Guy is cooked. No thanks.

Still better than Pritchard but there are concerns.

I know they play different minutes but Wall is still better using PER 36 to equalize the minutes.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walljo01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pritcpa01.html

Is he, though? He takes more shots and is better at passing, but he's worse at shooting everywhere but 3-10 ft and at pretty much everything else. At this point, he's a ball-dominant PG that can't score and isn't a good defender. As a first/second option Wall is probably the better choice, but that's the last thing we need, and any team with Pritchard or Wall as a top offensive option is going to be awful.

Agreed, he's a horrible defender.  He'd rather go for the steal than stay between his man and the basket.

He's never fought through a pick before, and he often let his man go back door because he wasn't paying attention, and never boxed his man out.  He was too busy leaking out hoping for a fast break.

[PAOBoston]

Guy is cooked. No thanks.

Still better than Pritchard but there are concerns.

I know they play different minutes but Wall is still better using PER 36 to equalize the minutes.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walljo01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pritcpa01.html

For what the Cs are looking for? Pritchard is much better/worth it instead of Wall. At least Pritchard can shoot. Wall can’t shoot and can’t defend. He’s the definition of washed.

[Celtics4ever]

Pritchard is a big defensive liability too folks and bigger players can bully.   You would get Wall for his passing which is vastly superior to Payton's.

The reality is, a washed up John Wall,may be better than Pritchard, at his best.

Management must have shown some interest, as they went to his workout.

For his career John Wall has a defensive rating of 107.1 in his career. His last three years have been his worst and the injury is a big part of this happening. But if he can return for form and there is no guarantee of that, he might be useful and he is  6-3 tall.  Now it was worse than Pritchard the last few years,

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/john-wall-defensive-rating

Payton Pritchard has a defensive rating of 113.3 in his career.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/payton-pritchard-defensive-rating

We got killed in the playoffs because our offense got stagnant.  We have always lived and died by the three pointer so yes shooting helps but so does setting up guys to score.

[LilRip]

I’ll take Wall easy. Old Wall > Pritchard, unfortunately. We have a lot of guys who can shoot. We need guys who will pass

[gouki88]

Guy is cooked. No thanks.

Still better than Pritchard but there are concerns.

I know they play different minutes but Wall is still better using PER 36 to equalize the minutes.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walljo01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pritcpa01.html

Is he, though? He takes more shots and is better at passing, but he's worse at shooting everywhere but 3-10 ft and at pretty much everything else. At this point, he's a ball-dominant PG that can't score and isn't a good defender. As a first/second option Wall is probably the better choice, but that's the last thing we need, and any team with Pritchard or Wall as a top offensive option is going to be awful.

Yeah, it's patently false - Wall is worse at everything but passing

[lbgreen33]

Guy is cooked. No thanks.

Still better than Pritchard but there are concerns.

I know they play different minutes but Wall is still better using PER 36 to equalize the minutes.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walljo01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pritcpa01.html

Is he, though? He takes more shots and is better at passing, but he's worse at shooting everywhere but 3-10 ft and at pretty much everything else. At this point, he's a ball-dominant PG that can't score and isn't a good defender. As a first/second option Wall is probably the better choice, but that's the last thing we need, and any team with Pritchard or Wall as a top offensive option is going to be awful.

I don't want to offend anyone, so I will assume I don't understand what you are saying?? Why would Pritchard or
Wall ever be a top offensive option on the Celtics?? Am I missing something?? JT,JB,KP,AH,MB  I mean what???

[gouki88]

Guy is cooked. No thanks.

Still better than Pritchard but there are concerns.

I know they play different minutes but Wall is still better using PER 36 to equalize the minutes.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walljo01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pritcpa01.html

Is he, though? He takes more shots and is better at passing, but he's worse at shooting everywhere but 3-10 ft and at pretty much everything else. At this point, he's a ball-dominant PG that can't score and isn't a good defender. As a first/second option Wall is probably the better choice, but that's the last thing we need, and any team with Pritchard or Wall as a top offensive option is going to be awful.

I don't want to offend anyone, so I will assume I don't understand what you are saying?? Why would Pritchard or
Wall ever be a top offensive option on the Celtics?? Am I missing something?? JT,JB,KP,AH,MB  I mean what???

I think he meant that Wall is more effective when he has a license to operate as the focal point of an offence.

[lbgreen33]

Guy is cooked. No thanks.

Still better than Pritchard but there are concerns.

I know they play different minutes but Wall is still better using PER 36 to equalize the minutes.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walljo01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pritcpa01.html

Is he, though? He takes more shots and is better at passing, but he's worse at shooting everywhere but 3-10 ft and at pretty much everything else. At this point, he's a ball-dominant PG that can't score and isn't a good defender. As a first/second option Wall is probably the better choice, but that's the last thing we need, and any team with Pritchard or Wall as a top offensive option is going to be awful.

I don't want to offend anyone, so I will assume I don't understand what you are saying?? Why would Pritchard or
Wall ever be a top offensive option on the Celtics?? Am I missing something?? JT,JB,KP,AH,MB  I mean what???

I think he meant that Wall is more effective when he has a license to operate as the focal point of an offence.

Got Ya! Thanks, I knew I had to be missing the point.  I don't believe Wall is in the position to be ball dominant anymore. I think Wall is just looking for a team to give him a chance.
That is all I am saying here, a low risk opportunity to see if he has anything left. I mean come on, I don't think Wall has any illusion that he is going to be the main option on any team at this point in his career.

[BitterJim]

Guy is cooked. No thanks.

Still better than Pritchard but there are concerns.

I know they play different minutes but Wall is still better using PER 36 to equalize the minutes.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walljo01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pritcpa01.html

Is he, though? He takes more shots and is better at passing, but he's worse at shooting everywhere but 3-10 ft and at pretty much everything else. At this point, he's a ball-dominant PG that can't score and isn't a good defender. As a first/second option Wall is probably the better choice, but that's the last thing we need, and any team with Pritchard or Wall as a top offensive option is going to be awful.

I don't want to offend anyone, so I will assume I don't understand what you are saying?? Why would Pritchard or
Wall ever be a top offensive option on the Celtics?? Am I missing something?? JT,JB,KP,AH,MB  I mean what???

Of course neither will be a top option on the Celtics (or any team that plans on making the playoffs). I'm saying that the only real royal where Wall would be better than Wall is leading a (very bad) team's offense, which is definitely not a skill we need.

[michigan adam]

Your missing something here guys.  It is not a wall vs PP situation here guys.  The C's are looking to add 1 or 2 more players to fill out the roster.  They have very little $ to offer, and are going to try to get the best talent at positions of need for the dollars they have available.  Yes trades are an option, but they need to add, so 2 and 3 for one trades to add talent do not fill out the roster.  A TPE trade is certainly still an option for all or part of the TPE.  John wall certainly has more talent than the empty roster spot.  If he is willing to take the "no guaranteed minutes" approach, work hard, and earn minutes than the fit, opposition mix, and talent will determine if he is better for this roster than PP, but it is not a 1 or the other scenario.  The C's need roster filler, and they want the best talent they can afford.

[Vermont Green]

I don't look at this as who is better, Wall or Pritchard.  I think Pritchard is fine in the role.  The only reason to bring in Wall is if you want to trade Pritchard.  So the comparison is Pritchard or Wall + who you get in trade for Pritchard.  At best, Wall is going to be no better than Pritchard, and he could be less durable and reliable.  This would be all about who you get for Pritchard.

[BitterJim]

I don't look at this as who is better, Wall or Pritchard.  I think Pritchard is fine in the role.  The only reason to bring in Wall is if you want to trade Pritchard.  So the comparison is Pritchard or Wall + who you get in trade for Pritchard.  At best, Wall is going to be no better than Pritchard, and he could be less durable and reliable.  This would be all about who you get for Pritchard.

If we trade Pritchard, then I want a more reliable 3rd PG than Wall. I wouldn't feel comfortable with just him and White if Brogdan went down. I'm not sure what minimum guards would be better, though, which is why Pritchard probably stays

[Vermont Green]

I don't look at this as who is better, Wall or Pritchard.  I think Pritchard is fine in the role.  The only reason to bring in Wall is if you want to trade Pritchard.  So the comparison is Pritchard or Wall + who you get in trade for Pritchard.  At best, Wall is going to be no better than Pritchard, and he could be less durable and reliable.  This would be all about who you get for Pritchard.

If we trade Pritchard, then I want a more reliable 3rd PG than Wall. I wouldn't feel comfortable with just him and White if Brogdon went down. I'm not sure what minimum guards would be better, though, which is why Pritchard probably stays

This is another way to say what I am trying to say.  It is not Wall vs. Pritchard, it would be Wall vs. what we need in a back up PG.  And I agree with the durability concerns.  I am not sure we would be able to play Wall any more than we played Griffin last season.  And that would not cut it for a rotation back up PG who you expect/need to play every night (or most every night).

[Kernewek]

Guy is cooked. No thanks.

Still better than Pritchard but there are concerns.

I know they play different minutes but Wall is still better using PER 36 to equalize the minutes.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walljo01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pritcpa01.html

Is he, though? He takes more shots and is better at passing, but he's worse at shooting everywhere but 3-10 ft and at pretty much everything else. At this point, he's a ball-dominant PG that can't score and isn't a good defender. As a first/second option Wall is probably the better choice, but that's the last thing we need, and any team with Pritchard or Wall as a top offensive option is going to be awful.

I don't want to offend anyone, so I will assume I don't understand what you are saying?? Why would Pritchard or
Wall ever be a top offensive option on the Celtics?? Am I missing something?? JT,JB,KP,AH,MB  I mean what???

Of course neither will be a top option on the Celtics (or any team that plans on making the playoffs). I'm saying that the only real royal where Wall would be better than Wall is leading a (very bad) team's offense, which is definitely not a skill we need.

Or: Which wall is which Wall?

[Celtics4ever]

I think the days of Danny Ainge heartstrings picking every short guard are gone.  CBS has signed bigger guards and appreciates length.   

I would like to see Peyton flipped.    He plays hard to is too short to affect guy's shots.  He is a career 113 defensive rating.  Guys can score on him at will.   He is also not a great passer but he can shoot pretty well. 

Even at PER 36 projections he only averages 3.6 APG.  This means he is a miniscule SG, not a PG.  But he is a guy who can come in and hit some shots and that should be his role.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pritcpa01.htm

If Pritchard is our backup playing 20 mpg next year.  we're going to have some long nights next season.