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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: TheSundanceKid on June 11, 2018, 03:47:35 AM
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"Hey, remember that time when Boston fans were begging LeBron James to join them?"
"Nah, Boston fans are too prideful for that man."
"No I'm serious."
"No way... That guy is on Bostons most hated list. There's no way Celtics fans would be that mercenary. You must be getting confused."
"Dude, I'm telling you. It was that one summer where they got to the conference finals without Irving or Hayward. Then they were like, let's trade one for LeBron and take down the Warriors!"
"You see, now I know you're lying. There's no way Boston fans would endorse that kind of move. Giving up a team orientated star for the LeBron circus... C'mon man...."
"It's true! Look let me find the evidence..."
(shows 100s of CelticsBlog threads...)
"I told you"
"Well gee, I guess it is true. Real shame that, I thought Boston was a proper sports city"
"Everything's a sellout these days. Not like the good old days..."
"At least they didn't get him. Did you see how he quit on the Rockets again this year against Golden State? And I hear he's leaving to join the Lakers in the summer"
"Yeah they sure dodged a bullet. Kyrie is killing it though, the way he dismantled Curry in the finals. And that Tatum kid, he's already getting comparisons to MJ! Two from two in the finals!"
I was bored... :laugh:
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And if he joined us we'd likely go 16-0 in the playoffs.
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And if he joined us we'd likely go 16-0 in the playoffs.
I think even if we added LeBron without sacrificing a single asset, the Warriors could still beat us. That's how historically loaded that Warrior team is. Two generational MVP talents. Three of the greatest shooters of all time. It wouldn't be easy.
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And if he joined us we'd likely go 16-0 in the playoffs.
I think even if we added LeBron without sacrificing a single asset, the Warriors could still beat us. That's how historically loaded that Warrior team is. Two generational MVP talents. Three of the greatest shooters of all time. It wouldn't be easy.
Are you freakin serious man? That Warriors team wouldn’t stand a chance
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That's a nice story out there. ;D
Let's make it a reality next season.
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And if he joined us we'd likely go 16-0 in the playoffs.
I think even if we added LeBron without sacrificing a single asset, the Warriors could still beat us. That's how historically loaded that Warrior team is. Two generational MVP talents. Three of the greatest shooters of all time. It wouldn't be easy.
Are you freakin serious man? That Warriors team wouldn’t stand a chance
The Warriors would not have a chance. Irving, Brown, Hayward, Lebron, Horford with Tatum, Baynes, Morris, Smart, and Rozier coming off the bench. Lebron is so far head and shoulders above anyone else that I don't think you could put together any all NBA team that could defeat them.
Of course it's impossible to add Lebron without trading away other players. But if you traded away Irving and Morris like some have suggested, the team would still be near invincible.
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And if he joined us we'd likely go 16-0 in the playoffs.
I think even if we added LeBron without sacrificing a single asset, the Warriors could still beat us. That's how historically loaded that Warrior team is. Two generational MVP talents. Three of the greatest shooters of all time. It wouldn't be easy.
Imo Bron is the better generational talent, and we have the versatility as well as star power to stifle the rest of GSW's studs. It would be easier than most people believe, the Rockets took the Warriors to 7 and would've likely won with CP3 healthy: people credit the Warriors for their 3rd quarter runs but CP3 being there would've prevented that at least for one game for the Rockets to get into the finals. If the Rockets can beat the Warriors, who says a heatlhy Celtics team with Bron cannot and do so handily?
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And if he joined us we'd likely go 16-0 in the playoffs.
I think even if we added LeBron without sacrificing a single asset, the Warriors could still beat us. That's how historically loaded that Warrior team is. Two generational MVP talents. Three of the greatest shooters of all time. It wouldn't be easy.
Are you freakin serious man? That Warriors team wouldn’t stand a chance
Yes, but only if Lebron conformed to the Celtics style and changed his game quite a bit. I don't think all of our other guys would look so good if Lebron continued to play point guard and dribble the ball near half court for half of the shot clock like he has been doing. That's the main reason I don't want Lebron on the Celtics. I don't think he will change until he is incapable of doing the things that he can currently do.
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I think there are some that would like him coming and here and some that would despise the move. Either way, he has about two more good years as I see it if that. He is not dunking as much and having to pick and choose his spots. He is getting tired and that is the first sign of old age.
Rather be a contender for years, than one or two titles. Our young guys are going to improve.
No young player has ever developed well next to LeBron. Kyrie has a few years before he got there.
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I think what the pro-LeBUM supporters forget is that IF he joins the C's, we would cease to be a TEAM. If you like "give the ball to LeBUM and get out of the way" then go root for the Cavs.
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I think what the pro-LeBUM supporters forget is that IF he joins the C's, we would cease to be a TEAM. If you like "give the ball to LeBUM and get out of the way" then go root for the Cavs.
For all the pride we put ourselves on being a team, can't we integrate Bron into the system? Couldn't the same be said for Kyrie last year, who was perceived as more of an iso guy and scorer who hogged the ball a bit? The Bron hate here is real and it's just as ridiculous as what you guys claim the Bron supporters are if not worse.
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I think there are some that would like him coming and here and some that would despise the move. Either way, he has about two more good years as I see it if that. He is not dunking as much and having to pick and choose his spots. He is getting tired and that is the first sign of old age.
Rather be a contender for years, than one or two titles. Our young guys are going to improve.
No young player has ever developed well next to LeBron. Kyrie has a few years before he got there.
Well most of us aren't advocating trading the whole farm for him. And he's likely to last longer than 2-3 years if he plays less minutes overall due to Brad being a wizard at managing minutes. And I don't see our youngsters' growth being stunted, so we're admitting our "culture" and "celtic pride" is no match for one player that'll likely want to integrate into our system for the sake of himself and the team? Pretty surprising because I thought we considered ourselves as a better organization than the rest, a franchise with a real foundation and history
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And if he joined us we'd likely go 16-0 in the playoffs.
I think even if we added LeBron without sacrificing a single asset, the Warriors could still beat us. That's how historically loaded that Warrior team is. Two generational MVP talents. Three of the greatest shooters of all time. It wouldn't be easy.
Are you freakin serious man? That Warriors team wouldn’t stand a chance
Yeah I'm serious. You give LeBron this supporting cast and the Warriors might still be the favorites.
One could argue KD is better than LeBron at this point. Steph is better than Kyrie. You can argue Klay is better than whatever is left of Hayward. Draymond is better than Horford. We'd have the edge with Tatum and to a lesser extent Brown, but there's only one basketball... and as long as you're going against a team composed of three of the greatest shooters in NBA history, you're not going to easily win.
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And if he joined us we'd likely go 16-0 in the playoffs.
I think even if we added LeBron without sacrificing a single asset, the Warriors could still beat us. That's how historically loaded that Warrior team is. Two generational MVP talents. Three of the greatest shooters of all time. It wouldn't be easy.
Are you freakin serious man? That Warriors team wouldn’t stand a chance
Yeah I'm serious. You give LeBron this supporting cast and the Warriors might still be the favorites.
One could argue KD is better than LeBron at this point. Steph is better than Kyrie. You can argue Klay is better than whatever is left of Hayward. Draymond is better than Horford. We'd have the edge with Tatum and to a lesser extent Brown, but there's only one basketball... and as long as you're going against a team composed of three of the greatest shooters in NBA history, you're not going to easily win.
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And if he joined us we'd likely go 16-0 in the playoffs.
I think even if we added LeBron without sacrificing a single asset, the Warriors could still beat us. That's how historically loaded that Warrior team is. Two generational MVP talents. Three of the greatest shooters of all time. It wouldn't be easy.
Are you freakin serious man? That Warriors team wouldn’t stand a chance
Yeah I'm serious. You give LeBron this supporting cast and the Warriors might still be the favorites.
One could argue KD is better than LeBron at this point. Steph is better than Kyrie. You can argue Klay is better than whatever is left of Hayward. Draymond is better than Horford. We'd have the edge with Tatum and to a lesser extent Brown, but there's only one basketball... and as long as you're going against a team composed of three of the greatest shooters in NBA history, you're not going to easily win.
Lebron is better than KD. One couldn’t argue otherwise without coming off as foolish. Kyrie and Curry are incredibly close. You have no clue what Hayward will be like when he returns, but if he’s ‘16-‘17 Hayward I take him over Klay comfortably. And Draymond is equal to Al at best. He’s hilariously overrated.
I don’t get you at all. You’re arguing that they’d be more talented, which is untrue anyway, but even if they are we just beat two teams with considerably more talent than us these playoffs lead by Al Horford and some kids, under a coach who is still learning. You don’t seriously rate GSW this highly, do you?
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And if he joined us we'd likely go 16-0 in the playoffs.
I think even if we added LeBron without sacrificing a single asset, the Warriors could still beat us. That's how historically loaded that Warrior team is. Two generational MVP talents. Three of the greatest shooters of all time. It wouldn't be easy.
Are you freakin serious man? That Warriors team wouldn’t stand a chance
Yeah I'm serious. You give LeBron this supporting cast and the Warriors might still be the favorites.
One could argue KD is better than LeBron at this point. Steph is better than Kyrie. You can argue Klay is better than whatever is left of Hayward. Draymond is better than Horford. We'd have the edge with Tatum and to a lesser extent Brown, but there's only one basketball... and as long as you're going against a team composed of three of the greatest shooters in NBA history, you're not going to easily win.
Lebron is better than KD. One couldn’t argue otherwise without coming off as foolish. Kyrie and Curry are incredibly close. You have no clue what Hayward will be like when he returns, but if he’s ‘16-‘17 Hayward I take him over Klay comfortably. And Draymond is equal to Al at best. He’s hilariously overrated.
I don’t get you at all. You’re arguing that they’d be more talented, which is untrue anyway, but even if they are we just beat two teams with considerably more talent than us these playoffs lead by Al Horford and some kids, under a coach who is still learning. You don’t seriously rate GSW this highly, do you?
If Boston added LeBron, he'd get injured in the first 5 minutes of Game 1. He's due. Guy is 34 years old and has been playing 48 minutes a night. Lol.
I agree LeBron is the best player in the world hands down. I'm just saying that one could argue Durant is on that level or beyond it next season. Bron has to start slipping at some point.
And yeah, Steph is better than Kyrie even in the rare instances Kyrie is healthy. Hayward's career is over until proven otherwise, and Draymond/Horford is at most a wash.
Bigger issue is, there's just no telling how a ball-dominant basketball god like LeBron fits with the rest of that team. What makes Golden State so dangerous, aside from the fact Klay and Steph might literally be the two greatest 3-point shooters in NBA history, is that Durant himself is a shooter as well. They all fit together seemlessly in a pace-and-space 3-point heavy offense. I'd like to believe LeBron could stay healthy, Kyrie could stay healthy, Hayward could stay healthy, and Horford could stay healthy in spite of his age, but even if they all miraculously were healthy heading into the playoffs, Golden State is a polished superteam that can go on murderous 3-point shooting barrages the likes of which the league has never and will never see again.
We've already seen a Big 3 of LeBron, Kyrie and Love get dominated by this Warrior foursome. In a normal universe, swapping out Kevin Love with a healthy Hayward and Tatum should be enough for Kyrie and LeBron to form a dominant superteam. But this isn't a normal universe. Golden State added an MVP to a 73 win team. It's unprecedented. The Warriors would still probably be favorites.
Moot point considering you can't add LeBron without sacrificing a significant piece of the puzzle.
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Aaaaannnndd he's going to the Lakers. Can't wait for this to be done so we can focus on some real progress!
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And if he joined us we'd likely go 16-0 in the playoffs.
I think even if we added LeBron without sacrificing a single asset, the Warriors could still beat us. That's how historically loaded that Warrior team is. Two generational MVP talents. Three of the greatest shooters of all time. It wouldn't be easy.
Are you freakin serious man? That Warriors team wouldn’t stand a chance
Yeah I'm serious. You give LeBron this supporting cast and the Warriors might still be the favorites.
One could argue KD is better than LeBron at this point. Steph is better than Kyrie. You can argue Klay is better than whatever is left of Hayward. Draymond is better than Horford. We'd have the edge with Tatum and to a lesser extent Brown, but there's only one basketball... and as long as you're going against a team composed of three of the greatest shooters in NBA history, you're not going to easily win.
Lebron is better than KD. One couldn’t argue otherwise without coming off as foolish. Kyrie and Curry are incredibly close. You have no clue what Hayward will be like when he returns, but if he’s ‘16-‘17 Hayward I take him over Klay comfortably. And Draymond is equal to Al at best. He’s hilariously overrated.
I don’t get you at all. You’re arguing that they’d be more talented, which is untrue anyway, but even if they are we just beat two teams with considerably more talent than us these playoffs lead by Al Horford and some kids, under a coach who is still learning. You don’t seriously rate GSW this highly, do you?
If Boston added LeBron, he'd get injured in the first 5 minutes of Game 1. He's due. Guy is 34 years old and has been playing 48 minutes a night. Lol.
I agree LeBron is the best player in the world hands down. I'm just saying that one could argue Durant is on that level or beyond it next season. Bron has to start slipping at some point.
And yeah, Steph is better than Kyrie even in the rare instances Kyrie is healthy. Hayward's career is over until proven otherwise, and Draymond/Horford is at most a wash.
Bigger issue is, there's just no telling how a ball-dominant basketball god like LeBron fits with the rest of that team. What makes Golden State so dangerous, aside from the fact Klay and Steph might literally be the two greatest 3-point shooters in NBA history, is that Durant himself is a shooter as well. They all fit together seemlessly in a pace-and-space 3-point heavy offense. I'd like to believe LeBron could stay healthy, Kyrie could stay healthy, Hayward could stay healthy, and Horford could stay healthy in spite of his age, but even if they all miraculously were healthy heading into the playoffs, Golden State is a polished superteam that can go on murderous 3-point shooting barrages the likes of which the league has never and will never see again.
We've already seen a Big 3 of LeBron, Kyrie and Love get dominated by this Warrior foursome. In a normal universe, swapping out Kevin Love with a healthy Hayward and Tatum should be enough for Kyrie and LeBron to form a dominant superteam. But this isn't a normal universe. Golden State added an MVP to a 73 win team. It's unprecedented. The Warriors would still probably be favorites.
Moot point considering you can't add LeBron without sacrificing a significant piece of the puzzle.
LeBron has been due an injury for a while now though. I think it should just be accepted that he's not human.
I don't think KD will ever be on the level LeBron has been on this level, and I don't think that's a controversial thing to say at all.
You say 'rare instances where Kyrie is healthy' as if Curry is someone who isn't as injury prone, and four years his elder.
I think if LeBron bought into Brad's system that team would be unstoppable. Like, NBA2k unstoppable. The question is whether or not LeBron could do that. I think if he realised how much he could win, and not need to play any more than 30mpg, he'd definitely buy in. Start as the star player, then fade into a 1a/1b/1c star, or even a number 2 guy behind JT and Kyrie.
Really, the only point I agree with is your last one. I still think this roster beats the Warriors if we're healthy.
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And if he joined us we'd likely go 16-0 in the playoffs.
I think even if we added LeBron without sacrificing a single asset, the Warriors could still beat us. That's how historically loaded that Warrior team is. Two generational MVP talents. Three of the greatest shooters of all time. It wouldn't be easy.
Are you freakin serious man? That Warriors team wouldn’t stand a chance
Yeah I'm serious. You give LeBron this supporting cast and the Warriors might still be the favorites.
One could argue KD is better than LeBron at this point. Steph is better than Kyrie. You can argue Klay is better than whatever is left of Hayward. Draymond is better than Horford. We'd have the edge with Tatum and to a lesser extent Brown, but there's only one basketball... and as long as you're going against a team composed of three of the greatest shooters in NBA history, you're not going to easily win.
Lebron is better than KD. One couldn’t argue otherwise without coming off as foolish. Kyrie and Curry are incredibly close. You have no clue what Hayward will be like when he returns, but if he’s ‘16-‘17 Hayward I take him over Klay comfortably. And Draymond is equal to Al at best. He’s hilariously overrated.
I don’t get you at all. You’re arguing that they’d be more talented, which is untrue anyway, but even if they are we just beat two teams with considerably more talent than us these playoffs lead by Al Horford and some kids, under a coach who is still learning. You don’t seriously rate GSW this highly, do you?
If Boston added LeBron, he'd get injured in the first 5 minutes of Game 1. He's due. Guy is 34 years old and has been playing 48 minutes a night. Lol.
I agree LeBron is the best player in the world hands down. I'm just saying that one could argue Durant is on that level or beyond it next season. Bron has to start slipping at some point.
And yeah, Steph is better than Kyrie even in the rare instances Kyrie is healthy. Hayward's career is over until proven otherwise, and Draymond/Horford is at most a wash.
Bigger issue is, there's just no telling how a ball-dominant basketball god like LeBron fits with the rest of that team. What makes Golden State so dangerous, aside from the fact Klay and Steph might literally be the two greatest 3-point shooters in NBA history, is that Durant himself is a shooter as well. They all fit together seemlessly in a pace-and-space 3-point heavy offense. I'd like to believe LeBron could stay healthy, Kyrie could stay healthy, Hayward could stay healthy, and Horford could stay healthy in spite of his age, but even if they all miraculously were healthy heading into the playoffs, Golden State is a polished superteam that can go on murderous 3-point shooting barrages the likes of which the league has never and will never see again.
We've already seen a Big 3 of LeBron, Kyrie and Love get dominated by this Warrior foursome. In a normal universe, swapping out Kevin Love with a healthy Hayward and Tatum should be enough for Kyrie and LeBron to form a dominant superteam. But this isn't a normal universe. Golden State added an MVP to a 73 win team. It's unprecedented. The Warriors would still probably be favorites.
Moot point considering you can't add LeBron without sacrificing a significant piece of the puzzle.
LeBron has been due an injury for a while now though. I think it should just be accepted that he's not human.
I don't think KD will ever be on the level LeBron has been on this level, and I don't think that's a controversial thing to say at all.
You say 'rare instances where Kyrie is healthy' as if Curry is someone who isn't as injury prone, and four years his elder.
I think if LeBron bought into Brad's system that team would be unstoppable. Like, NBA2k unstoppable. The question is whether or not LeBron could do that. I think if he realised how much he could win, and not need to play any more than 30mpg, he'd definitely buy in. Start as the star player, then fade into a 1a/1b/1c star, or even a number 2 guy behind JT and Kyrie.
Really, the only point I agree with is your last one. I still think this roster beats the Warriors if we're healthy.
really the problem is that they have three guys who all shot 42-44% from three this season and made minimally 2.5 threes per game. That's historic.
I'd like to think Kyrie can get there, but he's career 38% from three. Last season he made 2.8 per game with 40.8% shooting... so that's pretty close.
Hayward in his prime shot 37% from three. A lower amount of threes, though. Two seasons ago he was 2 threes per game with 39.8%
Tatum and Brown both shot decent percentages, but neither had many shots.
LeBron is LeBron, but he's a 36.7% three point shooter who made 1.8 per game last season.
Nobody compares with Durant Making 2.5 per game with 42% shooting while Klay made 3.1 per game with 44% shooting and Curry made 4.2 per game with 42.3% shooting.
Those three can out-shoot any team in history. That's a problem.
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And if he joined us we'd likely go 16-0 in the playoffs.
I think even if we added LeBron without sacrificing a single asset, the Warriors could still beat us. That's how historically loaded that Warrior team is. Two generational MVP talents. Three of the greatest shooters of all time. It wouldn't be easy.
Are you freakin serious man? That Warriors team wouldn’t stand a chance
Yeah I'm serious. You give LeBron this supporting cast and the Warriors might still be the favorites.
One could argue KD is better than LeBron at this point. Steph is better than Kyrie. You can argue Klay is better than whatever is left of Hayward. Draymond is better than Horford. We'd have the edge with Tatum and to a lesser extent Brown, but there's only one basketball... and as long as you're going against a team composed of three of the greatest shooters in NBA history, you're not going to easily win.
Lebron is better than KD. One couldn’t argue otherwise without coming off as foolish. Kyrie and Curry are incredibly close. You have no clue what Hayward will be like when he returns, but if he’s ‘16-‘17 Hayward I take him over Klay comfortably. And Draymond is equal to Al at best. He’s hilariously overrated.
I don’t get you at all. You’re arguing that they’d be more talented, which is untrue anyway, but even if they are we just beat two teams with considerably more talent than us these playoffs lead by Al Horford and some kids, under a coach who is still learning. You don’t seriously rate GSW this highly, do you?
If Boston added LeBron, he'd get injured in the first 5 minutes of Game 1. He's due. Guy is 34 years old and has been playing 48 minutes a night. Lol.
I agree LeBron is the best player in the world hands down. I'm just saying that one could argue Durant is on that level or beyond it next season. Bron has to start slipping at some point.
And yeah, Steph is better than Kyrie even in the rare instances Kyrie is healthy. Hayward's career is over until proven otherwise, and Draymond/Horford is at most a wash.
Bigger issue is, there's just no telling how a ball-dominant basketball god like LeBron fits with the rest of that team. What makes Golden State so dangerous, aside from the fact Klay and Steph might literally be the two greatest 3-point shooters in NBA history, is that Durant himself is a shooter as well. They all fit together seemlessly in a pace-and-space 3-point heavy offense. I'd like to believe LeBron could stay healthy, Kyrie could stay healthy, Hayward could stay healthy, and Horford could stay healthy in spite of his age, but even if they all miraculously were healthy heading into the playoffs, Golden State is a polished superteam that can go on murderous 3-point shooting barrages the likes of which the league has never and will never see again.
We've already seen a Big 3 of LeBron, Kyrie and Love get dominated by this Warrior foursome. In a normal universe, swapping out Kevin Love with a healthy Hayward and Tatum should be enough for Kyrie and LeBron to form a dominant superteam. But this isn't a normal universe. Golden State added an MVP to a 73 win team. It's unprecedented. The Warriors would still probably be favorites.
Moot point considering you can't add LeBron without sacrificing a significant piece of the puzzle.
LeBron has been due an injury for a while now though. I think it should just be accepted that he's not human.
I don't think KD will ever be on the level LeBron has been on this level, and I don't think that's a controversial thing to say at all.
You say 'rare instances where Kyrie is healthy' as if Curry is someone who isn't as injury prone, and four years his elder.
I think if LeBron bought into Brad's system that team would be unstoppable. Like, NBA2k unstoppable. The question is whether or not LeBron could do that. I think if he realised how much he could win, and not need to play any more than 30mpg, he'd definitely buy in. Start as the star player, then fade into a 1a/1b/1c star, or even a number 2 guy behind JT and Kyrie.
Really, the only point I agree with is your last one. I still think this roster beats the Warriors if we're healthy.
really the problem is that they have three guys who all shot 42-44% from three this season and made minimally 2.5 threes per game. That's historic.
I'd like to think Kyrie can get there, but he's career 38% from three. Last season he made 2.8 per game with 40.8% shooting... so that's pretty close.
Hayward in his prime shot 37% from three. A lower amount of threes, though. Two seasons ago he was 2 threes per game with 39.8%
Tatum and Brown both shot decent percentages, but neither had many shots.
LeBron is LeBron, but he's a 36.7% three point shooter who made 1.8 per game last season.
Nobody compares with Durant Making 2.5 per game with 42% shooting while Klay made 3.1 per game with 44% shooting and Curry made 4.2 per game with 42.3% shooting.
Those three can out-shoot any team in history. That's a problem.
Considering how good our coach and perimeter defence was this year, and will be for years to come, I'm not as worried about that as you seem to be. We have consistently defended them as well as any team over the last 18 months or so
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If the Boston Celtics win a championship with Lebron James on its roster, the team won't have won, Lebron will have won. The narrative will be "Lebron James finally put them over the top" and "Lebron is now the definitive best player ever".
How desperate are we for a single championship? This franchise has 17 of them! We are not Cleveland. Is competing for championships for the next decade not enough? Do we need to sell-out for a shorter window?
If Lebron James comes in here, some collection of these things go out: 1) another all-star player; 2) young assets and/or draft picks; 3) Kyrie (who desperately tried to get away from Cleveland); 4) ball movement/motion offense, especially in the playoffs; 5) a team-first attitude where no one is above the collective; 6) good team defense; 7) Brad Stevens, who may embarrassingly lose Hayward a year after recruiting him to Boston and will be getting furious calls from college programs; and 8 ) the Celtics being liked and respected around the league for "building it the right way".
Ready to risk losing those things for Lebron James?
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If the Boston Celtics win a championship with Lebron James on its roster, the team won't have won, Lebron will have won. The narrative will be "Lebron James finally put them over the top" and "Lebron is now the definitive best player ever".
How desperate are we for a single championship? This franchise has 17 of them! We are not Cleveland. Is competing for championships for the next decade not enough? Do we need to sell-out for a shorter window?
If Lebron James comes in here, some collection of these things go out: 1) another all-star player; 2) young assets and/or draft picks; 3) Kyrie (who desperately tried to get away from Cleveland); 4) ball movement/motion offense, especially in the playoffs; 5) a team-first attitude where no one is above the collective; 6) good team defense; 7) Brad Stevens, who may embarrassingly lose Hayward a year after recruiting him to Boston and will be getting furious calls from college programs; and 8 ) the Celtics being liked and respected around the league for "building it the right way".
Ready to risk losing those things for Lebron James?
Is it really a shorter window if Horford is traded to land James? I'm not even sure if Irving or Hayward goes out it is a shorter window.
And even if it is shorter, it is a much larger window i.e. the team would be far more likely to win a title.
Most of your #'s just aren't going to happen if James comes here. They aren't even worth discussing since they are so out there.
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If the Boston Celtics win a championship with Lebron James on its roster, the team won't have won, Lebron will have won. The narrative will be "Lebron James finally put them over the top" and "Lebron is now the definitive best player ever".
How desperate are we for a single championship? This franchise has 17 of them! We are not Cleveland. Is competing for championships for the next decade not enough? Do we need to sell-out for a shorter window?
If Lebron James comes in here, some collection of these things go out: 1) another all-star player; 2) young assets and/or draft picks; 3) Kyrie (who desperately tried to get away from Cleveland); 4) ball movement/motion offense, especially in the playoffs; 5) a team-first attitude where no one is above the collective; 6) good team defense; 7) Brad Stevens, who may embarrassingly lose Hayward a year after recruiting him to Boston and will be getting furious calls from college programs; and 8 ) the Celtics being liked and respected around the league for "building it the right way".
Ready to risk losing those things for Lebron James?
Is it really a shorter window if Horford is traded to land James? I'm not even sure if Irving or Hayward goes out it is a shorter window.
I don't think the window gets shorter but I think you lose more options. What I mean is if we signed Lebron, we are not his final destination. He'll need to opt into his contract for this to work, so he becomes a free agent the next year. If he were to extend mid year then history says it won't be on a long contract.
My guess would be 2 years total in Boston and then he goes, for certain. Whereas following our natural path there is a likelihood that Horford or Irving or Hayward (whichever you have traded) stays and keeps developing and winning with the team. So you definitely have less talent on the roster longer term.
The main reason to say no to Lebron is team dynamics. The Olympics is the only place I've seen him let others consistently have the ball and be happy about it. It was clear Kyrie didn't like the dynamic in Cleveland and Lebron was a factor in that. I am sure the idea of playing with Lebron is enticing to the young guys on the team but do I think it will empower them and maximise their growth? No.
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And if he joined us we'd likely go 16-0 in the playoffs.
I think even if we added LeBron without sacrificing a single asset, the Warriors could still beat us. That's how historically loaded that Warrior team is. Two generational MVP talents. Three of the greatest shooters of all time. It wouldn't be easy.
Are you freakin serious man? That Warriors team wouldn’t stand a chance
Yeah I'm serious. You give LeBron this supporting cast and the Warriors might still be the favorites.
What a joke. The Warriors were a healthy CP3 away from being eliminated by the Rockets. So unless you think the 17-18 Rockets would be better than James, Horford, Hayward, Irving, Tatum, Brown, etc. then your argument defies logic.
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And if he joined us we'd likely go 16-0 in the playoffs.
I think even if we added LeBron without sacrificing a single asset, the Warriors could still beat us. That's how historically loaded that Warrior team is. Two generational MVP talents. Three of the greatest shooters of all time. It wouldn't be easy.
Are you freakin serious man? That Warriors team wouldn’t stand a chance
Yeah I'm serious. You give LeBron this supporting cast and the Warriors might still be the favorites.
What a joke. The Warriors were a healthy CP3 away from being eliminated by the Rockets. So unless you think the 17-18 Rockets would be better than James, Horford, Hayward, Irving, Tatum, Brown, etc. then your argument defies logic.
Despite the fact that I absolutely hate the idea of Lebron in Green....
The idea of having a starting five of James/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford would matchup incredibly well against GSW. I don't think its a landslide favorite either way, but its close enough to make a justifiable argument either way.
I give the edge to that Celtics starting five myself.
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And if he joined us we'd likely go 16-0 in the playoffs.
I think even if we added LeBron without sacrificing a single asset, the Warriors could still beat us. That's how historically loaded that Warrior team is. Two generational MVP talents. Three of the greatest shooters of all time. It wouldn't be easy.
Are you freakin serious man? That Warriors team wouldn’t stand a chance
Yeah I'm serious. You give LeBron this supporting cast and the Warriors might still be the favorites.
What a joke. The Warriors were a healthy CP3 away from being eliminated by the Rockets.
Nah. That's like saying the Hawks were close to eliminating us in 2008 or we were close to eliminating the Heat in 2012. The team with the most talent inevitably wins. Rockets had no chance. Warriors are basically unbeatable. When a team is that talented, it has the tendency to get bored and lose focus until they have to hit the turbo button and crush their opponent - and that's exactly what happened in that Rockets series.
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And if he joined us we'd likely go 16-0 in the playoffs.
I think even if we added LeBron without sacrificing a single asset, the Warriors could still beat us. That's how historically loaded that Warrior team is. Two generational MVP talents. Three of the greatest shooters of all time. It wouldn't be easy.
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If the Boston Celtics win a championship with Lebron James on its roster, the team won't have won, Lebron will have won. The narrative will be "Lebron James finally put them over the top" and "Lebron is now the definitive best player ever".
How desperate are we for a single championship? This franchise has 17 of them! We are not Cleveland. Is competing for championships for the next decade not enough? Do we need to sell-out for a shorter window?
If Lebron James comes in here, some collection of these things go out: 1) another all-star player; 2) young assets and/or draft picks; 3) Kyrie (who desperately tried to get away from Cleveland); 4) ball movement/motion offense, especially in the playoffs; 5) a team-first attitude where no one is above the collective; 6) good team defense; 7) Brad Stevens, who may embarrassingly lose Hayward a year after recruiting him to Boston and will be getting furious calls from college programs; and 8 ) the Celtics being liked and respected around the league for "building it the right way".
Ready to risk losing those things for Lebron James?
Is it really a shorter window if Horford is traded to land James? I'm not even sure if Irving or Hayward goes out it is a shorter window.
I don't think the window gets shorter but I think you lose more options. What I mean is if we signed Lebron, we are not his final destination. He'll need to opt into his contract for this to work, so he becomes a free agent the next year. If he were to extend mid year then history says it won't be on a long contract.
My guess would be 2 years total in Boston and then he goes, for certain. Whereas following our natural path there is a likelihood that Horford or Irving or Hayward (whichever you have traded) stays and keeps developing and winning with the team. So you definitely have less talent on the roster longer term.
The main reason to say no to Lebron is team dynamics. The Olympics is the only place I've seen him let others consistently have the ball and be happy about it. It was clear Kyrie didn't like the dynamic in Cleveland and Lebron was a factor in that. I am sure the idea of playing with Lebron is enticing to the young guys on the team but do I think it will empower them and maximise their growth? No.
I think Lebron wants the full max on this contract and I expect him to sign for the 4 year max with the last year a player option. If he opts in and is traded, I would expect him to extend on the full 5 year max on that new team. The only place I could see him going where he doesn't sign a max contract is Cleveland.
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The idea that the Warriors would be better than us + Lebron is ludicrous
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The idea that the Warriors would be better than us + Lebron is ludicrous
Yeeeep!
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The idea that the Warriors would be better than us + Lebron is ludicrous
Yeeeep!
But LarBrd33 will tell you that the Sixers + Lebron STOMPS Golden State in 4 or 5 ::)
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The idea that the Warriors would be better than us + Lebron is ludicrous
Yeeeep!
But LarBrd33 will tell you that the Sixers + Lebron STOMPS Golden State in 4 or 5 ::)
Well of course! Embiid and Simmons are far superior to any of our players!!
That is of course why we flogged them in 5 without our two best players, who also happen to include an NBA champion
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And if he joined us we'd likely go 16-0 in the playoffs.
I think even if we added LeBron without sacrificing a single asset, the Warriors could still beat us. That's how historically loaded that Warrior team is. Two generational MVP talents. Three of the greatest shooters of all time. It wouldn't be easy.
If our team is healthy + Lebron? IMO, we'd beat them. Yes, they're loaded, but fortune smiled on them with the Chris Paul injury or they'd have watched the finals from home.
It's good to see that Draymond is already demanding supermax. The more strife and tension in that locker room, the better. If Klay doesn't settle for a bargain deal, we'll likely see them broken up. I don't think we'll see 4 max/supermax players on one team. Tax could wind up being more than the actual payroll. Their payroll alone could be more than their revenue. IMO, if Klay becomes eligible for supermax and Durant signs a max, they trade or let Green walk a year or two down the road.
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The idea that the Warriors would be better than us + Lebron is ludicrous
Yeeeep!
But LarBrd33 will tell you that the Sixers + Lebron STOMPS Golden State in 4 or 5 ::)
Well of course! Embiid and Simmons are far superior to any of our players!!
That is of course why we flogged them in 5 without our two best players, who also happen to include an NBA champion
Oh but didn't you hear? The great Markelle Fultz registered a bunch of DNP's that series. If he was healthy and more engaged, he would have gone Kyrie Irving/James Harden on us and we'd lose in 6 last May :laugh:
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The Warriors would not have been in the finals this year if Houston had not turned in one of the all time worst shooting performances in playoff history, in game 7....very much like the Celtics in game 7.
The Rockets looked exhausted and part of that was no depth with star player Chris Paul out for two games.
It's a joke to say the Warriors beat Boston plus Lebron....it wouldn't be close.