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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Jamilmac99 on November 20, 2017, 09:12:01 PM
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Please, please, please, STOP!!! It is painful to watch.
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Again, and again...and again. Sigh.
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Now we know why he always wants to come off the bench, so he can use the excuse that he’s the only or best scoring option to chuck shots lol
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He keeps playing like this, I am sorry he has to lose minutes.
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Hes playing remarkably badly tonight.
Dont expect it to continue.
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Kyrie should have gone right back to Tatum there for the corner three. Instead a Smart charge.
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Kyrie should have gone right back to Tatum there for the corner three. Instead a Smart charge.
In fact, he needs to be benched right now and not sniff another minute until garbage time,
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Tired of watching Smart nervously clank another brick off the rim. His shooting is horrific. Ready to move him for something else.
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Kyrie should have gone right back to Tatum there for the corner three. Instead a Smart charge.
In fact, he needs to be benched right now and not sniff another minute until garbage time,
nope.
Trust your players. Marcus is playing badly and stupidly, but you believe in him for a reason. He will play in the second half and you will expect him to play better.
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Wrong thread.
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It's a double-edged sword. If he doesn't take open shots, he becomes even more of a liability.
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Kyrie should have gone right back to Tatum there for the corner three. Instead a Smart charge.
In fact, he needs to be benched right now and not sniff another minute until garbage time,
nope.
Trust your players. Marcus is playing badly and stupidly, but you believe in him for a reason. He will play in the second half and you will expect him to play better.
Yes, and the reason is that he's better than Shane Larkin, Abdel Nader, and Jabari Bird. ::)
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It's a double-edged sword. If he doesn't take open shots, he becomes even more of a liability.
So the game plan is to deliberately take low-percentage shots? At least take 1 or 2 dribbles inside the arc, or attack the paint a la Horford and see if you can pass it back out or get fouled or something.
I just cannot accept that the best thing for Smart to do in that situation is shoot the ball 25+ feet away from the basket.
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Somebody tex CBS ........plese take the brick brothers out
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Kyrie should have gone right back to Tatum there for the corner three. Instead a Smart charge.
In fact, he needs to be benched right now and not sniff another minute until garbage time,
nope.
Trust your players. Marcus is playing badly and stupidly, but you believe in him for a reason. He will play in the second half and you will expect him to play better.
Yes, and the reason is that he's better than Shane Larkin, Abdel Nader, and Jabari Bird. ::)
Perhaps.
Doesnt really matter. Im not benching him.
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It's a double-edged sword. If he doesn't take open shots, he becomes even more of a liability.
So the game plan is to deliberately take low-percentage shots? At least take 1 or 2 dribbles inside the arc, or attack the paint a la Horford and see if you can pass it back out or get fouled or something.
I just cannot accept that the best thing for Smart to do in that situation is shoot the ball 25+ feet away from the basket.
I didn't see the play at hand. No, not deliberately... I said he has to take open shots if they're given to him, else the game becomes 5 on 4. Frankly, I don't think he should be looking for shots outside of corner 3s and post-ups
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If the ball swings to him for an open 3 he has to take it. I feel he's aiming it at this point. Over thinking the shot much like rondo used to do
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It's a double-edged sword. If he doesn't take open shots, he becomes even more of a liability.
So the game plan is to deliberately take low-percentage shots? At least take 1 or 2 dribbles inside the arc, or attack the paint a la Horford and see if you can pass it back out or get fouled or something.
I just cannot accept that the best thing for Smart to do in that situation is shoot the ball 25+ feet away from the basket.
I didn't see the play at hand. No, not deliberately... I said he has to take open shots if they're given to him, else the game becomes 5 on 4. Frankly, I don't think he should be looking for shots outside of corner 3s and post-ups
So aren't you saying that he deliberately has to take the shot? I don't get it.
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It's a double-edged sword. If he doesn't take open shots, he becomes even more of a liability.
So the game plan is to deliberately take low-percentage shots? At least take 1 or 2 dribbles inside the arc, or attack the paint a la Horford and see if you can pass it back out or get fouled or something.
I just cannot accept that the best thing for Smart to do in that situation is shoot the ball 25+ feet away from the basket.
I didn't see the play at hand. No, not deliberately... I said he has to take open shots if they're given to him, else the game becomes 5 on 4. Frankly, I don't think he should be looking for shots outside of corner 3s and post-ups
So aren't you saying that he deliberately has to take the shot? I don't get it.
Nah man. He should take wide opens shots, but he shouldn't be LOOKING for them -- just filling the role to keep the defense at least somewhat honest, like Rondo was forced to do at times.
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The Bruise Brothers are denting some backboards tonight, for sure.
2-for-10 shooting, 1-for-7 3PT.
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God almighty. Marcus couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat! Pass the ball.
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Marcus was a +15 tonight.
Just sayin.
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I've given up hope of Marcus ever being a good/average shooter. At this point, we just have to figure out his best place on the floor. Develop his post game as much as possible and work on his ability to finish around the rim. Just plop him in the high post and let him create/score from them.
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The guys on this board make me laugh when I Watch the games.. You guys act like you dont know the deal by now. YES he is going to shoot.. The guy is fearless. YES he is going to take heat checks (regardless if he is hot or not).. YES it is going to be painful.. But Will Marcus do something to win a game YES. Whether its Excellent Defense on DIRK after he was heating up, A Clutch Rebound kick out to KI, A CLUTCH 3 (when the whole team couldnt throw it in the water) You have to love this guy..
Thanks Message board guys - you guys make it so much more enjoyable ...
Marcus Smart is simply a winner.. Coach knows it and his Team knows it.. We see it every game.
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Please CBS
split the Bricker Bros up.....
The line up can only handle ONE awful shooter at a time.
Both these guys got to stop chucking up threes and PLAY team ball and work it inside to Baynes , Morris , Tatum or Theis .
Th y were playing brain dead offense.
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The guys on this board make me laugh when I Watch the games.. You guys act like you dont know the deal by now. YES he is going to shoot.. The guy is fearless. YES he is going to take heat checks (regardless if he is hot or not).. YES it is going to be painful.. But Will Marcus do something to win a game YES. Whether its Excellent Defense on DIRK after he was heating up, A Clutch Rebound kick out to KI, A CLUTCH 3 (when the whole team couldnt throw it in the water) You have to love this guy..
Thanks Message board guys - you guys make it so much more enjoyable ...
Marcus Smart is simply a winner.. Coach knows it and his Team knows it.. We see it every game.
Chucking up a contested 3 with 18 seconds left on the shot clock isn't fearless. It's dumb.
I love Marcus. I appreciate what he brings to the table. But his shot selection continues to leave a lot to be desired.
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The guys on this board make me laugh when I Watch the games.. You guys act like you dont know the deal by now. YES he is going to shoot.. The guy is fearless. YES he is going to take heat checks (regardless if he is hot or not).. YES it is going to be painful.. But Will Marcus do something to win a game YES. Whether its Excellent Defense on DIRK after he was heating up, A Clutch Rebound kick out to KI, A CLUTCH 3 (when the whole team couldnt throw it in the water) You have to love this guy..
Thanks Message board guys - you guys make it so much more enjoyable ...
Marcus Smart is simply a winner.. Coach knows it and his Team knows it.. We see it every game.
Tp. I just laugh now, too.
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Somebody tex CBS ........plese take the brick brothers out
sorry phone lines were down tonight
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Smart huge late 3... What a strange player
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Seriously, even I'm starting to get tired of making this joke, but, anyway, "They're (Rozier and Smart) mightay mightay, just lettin' them all clang out" -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBx6mAWYPU
Actually, never mind, lol :laugh:. Under no circumstances, however, should Smart ever take 15 shots, let alone 11 threes :o. Oh lawd ::).
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Man. I hate it when Smart has a bad game. The entire forum devolves into posting "OMG Smart SUCKs" threads. And I have to deal with it for a day or two until Smart has a better game.
Just remember critics, if Smart didn't have his greenlight, he wouldn't have hit the 3 that brought us back to tie the game. He's also still young. It's good to let young players get shots and develop. It's not like it's hurting our record.
I'll be back after the few days of Smart-hate. Looking forward to Danny paying him 15M a year.
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Man. I hate it when Smart has a bad game. The entire forum devolves into posting "OMG Smart SUCKs" threads. And I have to deal with it for a day or two until Smart has a better game.
Just remember critics, if Smart didn't have his greenlight, he wouldn't have hit the 3 that brought us back to tie the game. He's also still young. It's good to let young players get shots and develop. It's not like it's hurting our record.
I'll be back after the few days of Smart-hate. Looking forward to Danny paying him 15M a year.
To go away? ;) :laugh:
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Man. I hate it when Smart has a bad game. The entire forum devolves into posting "OMG Smart SUCKs" threads. And I have to deal with it for a day or two until Smart has a better game.
Just remember critics, if Smart didn't have his greenlight, he wouldn't have hit the 3 that brought us back to tie the game. He's also still young. It's good to let young players get shots and develop. It's not like it's hurting our record.
I'll be back after the few days of Smart-hate. Looking forward to Danny paying him 15M a year.
To go away? ;) :laugh:
hey beatLA!
love ya
but your sig....
it seems that ainge addressed the rebounding issue
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Marcus Smart is a litmus test for what a fan prefers: stats or winning.
His numbers can be so hideous, that the stat lovers can't stand him, but the fact that he literally never fails to make game winning plays/ shots in the clutch, makes those who love winning adore him.
I love winning.
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Man. I hate it when Smart has a bad game. The entire forum devolves into posting "OMG Smart SUCKs" threads. And I have to deal with it for a day or two until Smart has a better game.
Just remember critics, if Smart didn't have his greenlight, he wouldn't have hit the 3 that brought us back to tie the game. He's also still young. It's good to let young players get shots and develop. It's not like it's hurting our record.
I'll be back after the few days of Smart-hate. Looking forward to Danny paying him 15M a year.
To go away? ;) :laugh:
hey beatLA!
love ya
but your sig....
it seems that ainge addressed the rebounding issue
Well it's about time, lol :laugh:. Should I make a different meme regarding, well, guards who can actually shoot, because there's obviously a causal link, there (sarcasm) :laugh:.
Unrelated - do you have salmon and mashed potatoes on Thanksgiving, hehe? :laugh:
Marcus Smart is a litmus test for what a fan prefers: stats or winning.
His numbers can be so hideous, that the stat lovers can't stand him, but the fact that he literally never fails to make game winning plays/ shots in the clutch, makes those who love winning adore him.
I love winning.
Why can't you have both?
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Man. I hate it when Smart has a bad game. The entire forum devolves into posting "OMG Smart SUCKs" threads. And I have to deal with it for a day or two until Smart has a better game.
Just remember critics, if Smart didn't have his greenlight, he wouldn't have hit the 3 that brought us back to tie the game. He's also still young. It's good to let young players get shots and develop. It's not like it's hurting our record.
I'll be back after the few days of Smart-hate. Looking forward to Danny paying him 15M a year.
When he has a bad game? I mean, he’s shooting like 25% from the floor. He has an average game like every four games and the rest range from bad to horrific.
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Looking forward to Danny paying him 15M a year.
Won't happen. If some other GM is foolish enough to pay Smart that much I am confident Danny will not match. Players like Smart are valuable, you always need strong defenders who make hustle plays. But those type of players are only worth so much, and overpaying them can be a death knell.
Look, I actually like Smart, and feel like he is a valuable contributor. But you cannot ignore his shooting percentages, especially on the volume of shots he takes. Many of those shots are just not shots he should be taking, and should instead be looking to take the ball to the basket or move it to someone else who is more capable.
The issue is Brad's rotations often leave Smart without anyone reliable to pass to, and when there is, Smart often times fails to do so. The bottom line is, Smart could play smarter, but I will acknowledge it's not entirely his fault.
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As someone already said here, he has to take open shots. We don't want Rondo again, it will kill this offense.
I for one do not think he is a bad shooter. Bad shooters can't make free throws, and he was 80%+ last year which is good for a pro.
He needs to shoot more confidently/quickly and shoot more one-handed shots in the paint.
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As someone already said here, he has to take open shots. We don't want Rondo again, it will kill this offense.
I for one do not think he is a bad shooter. Bad shooters can't make free throws, and he was 80%+ last year which is good for a pro.
He needs to shoot more confidently/quickly and shoot more one-handed shots in the paint.
Three years worth of results suggest that he is, in fact, a bad shooter. A bad shooter who can make FTs.
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Looking forward to Danny paying him 15M a year.
Just like KO and Sully were going to make big bucks? Almost every time someone predicts a salary on this blog they grossly over value our players.
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Marcus was a +15 tonight.
Just sayin.
Pretty sure I coulda played next to Kyrie, Jaylen, Tatum, and Horford and been a +something.
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that clanger in OT almost cost the game
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Looking forward to Danny paying him 15M a year.
Won't happen. If some other GM is foolish enough to pay Smart that much I am confident Danny will not match. Players like Smart are valuable, you always need strong defenders who make hustle plays. But those type of players are only worth so much, and overpaying them can be a death knell.
Look, I actually like Smart, and feel like he is a valuable contributor. But you cannot ignore his shooting percentages, especially on the volume of shots he takes. Many of those shots are just not shots he should be taking, and should instead be looking to take the ball to the basket or move it to someone else who is more capable.
The issue is Brad's rotations often leave Smart without anyone reliable to pass to, and when there is, Smart often times fails to do so. The bottom line is, Smart could play smarter, but I will acknowledge it's not entirely his fault.
Why would Danny pay him more than he's currently making? He's the same player he was when he was drafted only with an established ceiling and limited potential.
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As someone already said here, he has to take open shots. We don't want Rondo again, it will kill this offense.
I for one do not think he is a bad shooter. Bad shooters can't make free throws, and he was 80%+ last year which is good for a pro.
He needs to shoot more confidently/quickly and shoot more one-handed shots in the paint.
Disagree
D-Wade, Evan Turner, Rickey Rubio, Shaun Livingston etc. All shooting 80%+ from the free throw line, but can't shoot 3's. Good free throw shooting is a good indicator of 3-point potential, but it isn't the only one.
I'd say a fairly good indicator of poor 3-point shooting would be someone who attempted almost 300 three pointers in his 2 years of college, but could only convert them at a 29.5% clip, or maybe someone who's attempted over 900 3-pointers in less than 4 seasons in the NBA but only converts them at a 29% clip.
Over 1100 attempts between college and NBA and he's still a sub 30% 3-point shooter. I just don't see the potential anymore.
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When it comes to role players, a bad shooter is better than a reluctant shooter.
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When it comes to role players, a bad shooter is better than a reluctant shooter.
So true...he just has to just jack them up...maybe one out of three will go in.
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As I always say...players need to realize they're open for a reason...because the teams want bad shooters to shoot. He hit a big shot last night but all that does is tempt him to keep shooting.
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When it comes to role players, a bad shooter is better than a reluctant shooter.
funny, I was asking someone last night a similar question --> is it better to have a PG that's reluctant to shoot such that the other team doesn't bother or loosely covers them (thinking Rondo here) or is it better to have PG that shoots a miserable percentage jack up a lot of outside shots (Smart)?
I honestly don't know which situation is better or worse. both were able to affect the games in other ways besides scoring but I think in the case of the reluctant shooter, they can facilitate the offense and get someone else a shot as opposed to jacking one up and giving the other team the ball back.
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Man. I hate it when Smart has a bad game. The entire forum devolves into posting "OMG Smart SUCKs" threads. And I have to deal with it for a day or two until Smart has a better game.
Just remember critics, if Smart didn't have his greenlight, he wouldn't have hit the 3 that brought us back to tie the game. He's also still young. It's good to let young players get shots and develop. It's not like it's hurting our record.
I'll be back after the few days of Smart-hate. Looking forward to Danny paying him 15M a year.
If he hadn't been 1-10, then that shot wouldn't have been so important.
He singlehandedly shot the Mavs back into the game last night after the starters built a double digit lead. His awful shooting is arguably the biggest weakness on this team.
His defense is invaluable. But he's got to stop forcing shots. Or even taking open shots. Every time he takes a shot, he does the opponent a favor. A guard shooting 26%. The ball needs to not be in his hands most of the time.
26%. Unbelievable.
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You can't keep the ball off his hands. He either plays or he doesn't
But he should stop forcing shots . Like the one he took in the last mins yesterday. It got in but i was a bad shot.....
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Marcus is in a contract year and he's trying to show his shot has improved. I'm not sure that a shrinking FG% is the way to get a new contract. LOL
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Can anyone tell me what smarts plus minus is in the first three quarters or the first half? We’re coming through at end of games but I feel like smart MUST be contributing to putting us in a hole in the first place.
His stats simply make no sense.
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Looking forward to Danny paying him 15M a year.
Just like KO and Sully were going to make big bucks? Almost every time someone predicts a salary on this blog they grossly over value our players.
Olynyk did pretty well last time I checked.
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Man. I hate it when Smart has a bad game. The entire forum devolves into posting "OMG Smart SUCKs" threads. And I have to deal with it for a day or two until Smart has a better game.
Just remember critics, if Smart didn't have his greenlight, he wouldn't have hit the 3 that brought us back to tie the game. He's also still young. It's good to let young players get shots and develop. It's not like it's hurting our record.
I'll be back after the few days of Smart-hate. Looking forward to Danny paying him 15M a year.
I'm confused what's a good game for smart? 30% from the field and 19% from the field? I'm sorry I just don't see how he makes us that much better. He is getting 6th man mins and needs role player mins. He was the reason we lost the lead and why the game was a struggle. Honestly it's not all his fault it's some what Tatums fault. If he's more aggressive with the 2nd unit instead of smart we would be in a much better position.
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Man. I hate it when Smart has a bad game. The entire forum devolves into posting "OMG Smart SUCKs" threads. And I have to deal with it for a day or two until Smart has a better game.
Just remember critics, if Smart didn't have his greenlight, he wouldn't have hit the 3 that brought us back to tie the game. He's also still young. It's good to let young players get shots and develop. It's not like it's hurting our record.
I'll be back after the few days of Smart-hate. Looking forward to Danny paying him 15M a year.
I'm confused what's a good game for smart? 30% from the field and 19% from the field? I'm sorry I just don't see how he makes us that much better. He is getting 6th man mins and needs role player mins. He was the reason we lost the lead and why the game was a struggle. Honestly it's not all his fault it's some what Tatums fault. If he's more aggressive with the 2nd unit instead of smart we would be in a much better position.
I think you're confused about the meaning of the term "role player".
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The problem i have with smart is that there is no way he should be taking more shots than Tatum. Brad has been subbing Tatum early and putting him with the 2nd unit.
But even yesterday there were times where smart got tunnel vision to jack up shots when you have Tatum who is a much better scorer on the floor.
Smart may have the worst shot selection in the NBA.
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Can anyone tell me what smarts plus minus is in the first three quarters or the first half? We’re coming through at end of games but I feel like smart MUST be contributing to putting us in a hole in the first place.
His stats simply make no sense.
With Smart Without
1st qtr. +4 +8
2nd -3 -5
3rd -2 -10
4th +8 even
O.T. +8 was on floor entire O.T.
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The problem i have with smart is that there is no way he should be taking more shots than Tatum. Brad has been subbing Tatum early and putting him with the 2nd unit.
But even yesterday there were times where smart got tunnel vision to jack up shots when you have Tatum who is a much better scorer on the floor.
Smart may have the worst shot selection in the NBA.
Yes, this makes no sense. They make sure Smart is open to take shots.
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The problem i have with smart is that there is no way he should be taking more shots than Tatum. Brad has been subbing Tatum early and putting him with the 2nd unit.
But even yesterday there were times where smart got tunnel vision to jack up shots when you have Tatum who is a much better scorer on the floor.
Smart may have the worst shot selection in the NBA.
Yes, this makes no sense. They make sure Smart is open to take shots.
He's left open for a reason.
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He cant be in the floor and not shoot the ball - when he is open he coach has him shooting (anybody on the team has to shoot or they will be benched) Not shooting the open Shot that would hurt the team.
Also you can ignore his plus minus all you want but the truth is - he makes more winning plays when than he does losing plays.. He can miss all of his shots and still find a way to win the game..
Funny when We had IT nobody said anything about how many points he gave up on Defense only cared about him Scoring.. Ignoring the obvious liablity because he was helping us win..
Smart does the exact same thing.. He is actually helping us win games.. IF you are watching the games you can literally see it...
(now if you are only reading box scores then okay.. I see why you dont understand but if you are watching the game, you see it.)
Who cares how we win the games.. Just win.
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I'm okay with him taking open shots or shots drawn up (hopefully as opt 3). Asking him to limit shots kind of makes no sense if they are there. However he must 100% watch the shot selection. He is bad at it at times.
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These posts are so redundant. Lately, I hate coming on CB because I know there will be new Marcus bashing post. Then, another followed by another....ad infinitum. Am I the only one sick of them?
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These posts are so redundant. Lately, I hate coming on CB because I know there will be new Marcus bashing post. Then, another followed by another....ad infinitum. Am I the only one sick of them?
I'm more sick of the non Celtics threads that pop up all the time. I don't care for Balls or philly injury reports. They need to keep that in those post in respected team "all things __" threads. I'm okay with C's stuff because people come if C's players do bad or good either way it's supposed to be about C's.
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So early in the season most teams have played smart honestly. Last game the mavs did something different. They basically dared Marcus to shoot, which could be a really bad sign for him. As the season evolves, we’ll see this more and more. And we’ll definitely see it in the playoffs.
This will definitely affect our offense. Kyrie, Tatum, Jaylen, Al, and everyone else will have a lot less room to operate with smart on the floor. And unlike rondo, who was still smart and good enough to make other teams pay at times. Smart does not have the same talent or skill. He basically will need to make shots or get off the floor no matter how good his defense is.
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All the times Marcus catches the ball and is open he should just be driving to the hoop.
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All the times Marcus catches the ball and is open he should just be driving to the hoop.
I honestly would rather Marcus take a wide open 3 than drive it to the hoop in traffic. First a 3-pointer is worth 1.5x the points and, second, Marcus might be the worst NBA lay-up finisher I have ever seen in my life.
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All the times Marcus catches the ball and is open he should just be driving to the hoop.
This is depressing to say but I'd rather he take that open 3.
Marcus is shooting 38% within 3 feet of the hoop and he's shooting 26% from 3. That's a .76 PPS from 0-3 feet and .78 PPS from 3.
Obviously the possibility of an assist/foul drawn/turnover on the drive confound the issue but its been that bad for Marcus shooting from all areas of the court.
Yet he's still one of the better leader of +/- for the team, we score better when he's on the court across pretty much all lineups. Smart is a really hard player to evaluate.....
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All the times Marcus catches the ball and is open he should just be driving to the hoop.
This is depressing to say but I'd rather he take that open 3.
Marcus is shooting 38% within 3 feet of the hoop and he's shooting 26% from 3. That's a .76 PPS from 0-3 feet and .78 PPS from 3.
Obviously the possibility of an assist/foul drawn/turnover on the drive confound the issue but its been that bad for Marcus shooting from all areas of the court.
Yet he's still one of the better leader of +/- for the team, we score better when he's on the court across pretty much all lineups. Smart is a really hard player to evaluate.....
Yeah seriously, let's stop using the term bad shooter with marcus. He's pretty much bad at everything to do with scoring.
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I think you could make the argument that Smart has the same upside as Lance Stephenson had. At his best, Stephenson was a good defensive player and 4th option on offense, averaging 14, 7, and 5. Stephenson always had an edge and good intangibles.
At that level of production, the best contract he could get was was a 9 million dollar contract from the Hornets when the salary cap was 63 million. Comparatively, that would be 15 million a year under the current salary cap.
Comparing the two, Stephenson has figured out how to get his shots to go down, although he still isn't as good of an offensive player as his basic stats indicate. However, Smart seems to have great intangibles and is a bit better in the pick-and-roll.
I don't think Smart's value goes higher than 15 million a year, especially considering how little money is available next off-season. At 26, Stephenson could not earn more than a 4 million dollar contract with the Pacers. At 24, what will Smart be able to earn considering his woeful shooting?
In other words, I think the most Smart can hope for is 15 million, and that dollar amount comes down from there considering the competition to sign him will be small and his shooting has lowered his value.
In the end, I think we end up around 45-50 million over 5 years. Expressing that security to him in a long-term contract, along with getting him as the proper cog in the offense as the 4th-5th option, will likely raise his shooting percentages during that time. By the end of that contract, I think he will be one of the best non-rookie contracts in the NBA.
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All the times Marcus catches the ball and is open he should just be driving to the hoop.
Actually marcus is bad driving to the hoop as well. It's better for him to take the wide open shots even if he is a bad shooter.
It's pretty sad that in his 4th year as a pro, Marcus still can't shoot consistently over 30% and I doubt we ever see him even reach the 40% FG mark.
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I just want him off the team ASAP. I can't stand him anymore his insistence of being a gunner/first option when he is on the court just sends me through the roof. It's mind numbing to me that this moron can't figure out he sucks and play with in his ability.
Removing Smart at this point would be smart! It's addition by subtraction.
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If he listened to Kyrie astro physics ....you know more of his shots would fall.
Smart = non believer
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I just want him off the team ASAP. I can't stand him anymore his insistence of being a gunner/first option when he is on the court just sends me through the roof. It's mind numbing to me that this moron can't figure out he sucks and play with in his ability.
Removing Smart at this point would be smart! It's addition by subtraction.
imo your distaste for the aesthetics of missed shots is not wise, given his affect on the game and that the Celts are statistically better offensively with him on the floor. Look around the league there's lots of gunners who add nothing on defense or intangibles. Smart hit a big three at the end of the last game. That's what matters...along with his other big play and save of the ball and assist.
Stevens is a smart basketball guy, maybe one the smartest coaches ever...if Smart was so horrible he'd be on the bench, not on the floor at the end of the game.
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I just want him off the team ASAP. I can't stand him anymore his insistence of being a gunner/first option when he is on the court just sends me through the roof. It's mind numbing to me that this moron can't figure out he sucks and play with in his ability.
Removing Smart at this point would be smart! It's addition by subtraction.
I can't imagine the stress Smart causes you. I truly hope you can let it go and enjoy the ride. Let it go, let it go. Just laugh at Smart. Try to find it amusing rather than infuriating.
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Smart is the best in the league at defensive Win shares but his offense is offensive.
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In tonight's pregame interview: https://twitter.com/NBCSCeltics/status/932776714236776453
Scal: "Are you concerned about your bench [cough Marcus Smart cough] shooting 17% over the last three games?"
CBS: "No. It happens. You go through lulls, as you know. You have to find ways to impact the game in a good way, and we all know that if guys can find a way to win and add value to winning while shooting like that, then you'll get to take advantage of the nights when the ball goes in a little bit. Obviously, we want to shoot it better, we need to continue to seek out our best shots, but as long as we're shooting good ones, if we miss em we miss em."
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In tonight's pregame interview: https://twitter.com/NBCSCeltics/status/932776714236776453
Scal: "Are you concerned about your bench [cough Marcus Smart cough] shooting 17% over the last three games?"
CBS: "No. It happens. You go through lulls, as you know. You have to find ways to impact the game in a good way, and we all know that if guys can find a way to win and add value to winning while shooting like that, then you'll get to take advantage of the nights when the ball goes in a little bit. Obviously, we want to shoot it better, we need to continue to seek out our best shots, but as long as we're shooting good ones, if we miss em we miss em."
I guess the Q for Brad...is a Smart 3 (except in crunch time in the 4th quarter when he tends to hit them) ever our 'best shot', or even one of the 'good ones'?
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Smart please dont listen to this message board..
1st Qtr - 1 shot attempt - we are down 11 - he is a minus 8..
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Marcus Smart to @ChrisMannixYS: “My teammates and my coaching staff has kept telling me to shoot the ball...It’s hard, especially when you’ve been working and things don’t fall. You just have to stick with it.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/934621494054998016
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Marcus Smart to @ChrisMannixYS: “My teammates and my coaching staff has kept telling me to shoot the ball...It’s hard, especially when you’ve been working and things don’t fall. You just have to stick with it.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/934621494054998016
I heard this interview. Smart was visibly upset about his shooting. His voice shook. It sounded like he was absolutely genuine saying that his teammates and coaches are telling him to shoot. He obviously does not want to shoot.
I actually appreciate Smart more now, because he is sacrificing his comfort, his stats, and possibly future money to do what his coaching staff and team says is best for the Boston Celtics.
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Marcus Smart to @ChrisMannixYS: “My teammates and my coaching staff has kept telling me to shoot the ball...It’s hard, especially when you’ve been working and things don’t fall. You just have to stick with it.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/934621494054998016
I heard this interview. Smart was visibly upset about his shooting. His voice shook. It sounded like he was absolutely genuine saying that his teammates and coaches are telling him to shoot. He obviously does not want to shoot.
I actually appreciate Smart more now, because he is sacrificing his comfort, his stats, and possibly future money to do what his coaching staff and team says is best for the Boston Celtics.
I think it's ok to be critical of his shot selection but those who want him to stop shooting have to know that a player who won't shoot is worse than a player who shoots poorly, even as poorly as Smart has shot.
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Marcus Smart to @ChrisMannixYS: “My teammates and my coaching staff has kept telling me to shoot the ball...It’s hard, especially when you’ve been working and things don’t fall. You just have to stick with it.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/934621494054998016
I heard this interview. Smart was visibly upset about his shooting. His voice shook. It sounded like he was absolutely genuine saying that his teammates and coaches are telling him to shoot. He obviously does not want to shoot.
I actually appreciate Smart more now, because he is sacrificing his comfort, his stats, and possibly future money to do what his coaching staff and team says is best for the Boston Celtics.
Wow, that gives me a new appreciation of Smart!
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Marcus Smart to @ChrisMannixYS: “My teammates and my coaching staff has kept telling me to shoot the ball...It’s hard, especially when you’ve been working and things don’t fall. You just have to stick with it.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/934621494054998016
I heard this interview. Smart was visibly upset about his shooting. His voice shook. It sounded like he was absolutely genuine saying that his teammates and coaches are telling him to shoot. He obviously does not want to shoot.
I actually appreciate Smart more now, because he is sacrificing his comfort, his stats, and possibly future money to do what his coaching staff and team says is best for the Boston Celtics.
Wow, that gives me a new appreciation of Smart!
Me too, you gotta love that guy.
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Marcus Smart to @ChrisMannixYS: “My teammates and my coaching staff has kept telling me to shoot the ball...It’s hard, especially when you’ve been working and things don’t fall. You just have to stick with it.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/934621494054998016
I heard this interview. Smart was visibly upset about his shooting. His voice shook. It sounded like he was absolutely genuine saying that his teammates and coaches are telling him to shoot. He obviously does not want to shoot.
I actually appreciate Smart more now, because he is sacrificing his comfort, his stats, and possibly future money to do what his coaching staff and team says is best for the Boston Celtics.
Wow, that gives me a new appreciation of Smart!
Me too, you gotta love that guy.
That point yesterday where the Suns left Smart absolutely wide open for a 3 where he proceeded to miss it, get his own rebound, dribble back to the same spot, and miss it again must have been brutal for him (it was for us viewers). No Suns player even left the key to pretend to run out on Smart - looks like they got the memo.
Luckily, he was able to bury a couple of other 3s (including the deep on in the 1st half!). Slowly but surely he may be working his way out of this. He is just mere fractions of a point to getting that 3PT% above 30%.
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Marcus’s shooting percentages are very similar to Ball’s except Marcus is a much better FT shooter.
Lonzo plays three more mpg but they both average around 9ppg.
Lonzo’s assists and rebounds are slightly better but Marcus is a much better defender, despite Ball’s penchant for steals.
We could have drafted Ball with the #1 pick but why do that when we already have Smart on the team.
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Marcus’s shooting percentages are very similar to Ball’s except Marcus is a much better FT shooter.
Lonzo plays three more mpg but they both average around 9ppg.
Lonzo’s assists and rebounds are slightly better but Marcus is a much better defender, despite Ball’s penchant for steals.
We could have drafted Ball with the #1 pick but why do that when we already have Smart on the team.
Marcus also seems very likeable and a “glue guy.” Lonzo is anything but that.
Not to mention, I think Smart and the #1 pick would have similar salaries this year
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Marcus’s shooting percentages are very similar to Ball’s except Marcus is a much better FT shooter.
Lonzo plays three more mpg but they both average around 9ppg.
Lonzo’s assists and rebounds are slightly better but Marcus is a much better defender, despite Ball’s penchant for steals.
We could have drafted Ball with the #1 pick but why do that when we already have Smart on the team.
At first, I wondered what MS thread has anything to do with Ball, but then I forgot the name of the title lol.
And that is true, but its hard to determine how a player's skillset can pan out. NBA drafts can always been a crapshoot.
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Marcus’s shooting percentages are very similar to Ball’s except Marcus is a much better FT shooter.
Lonzo plays three more mpg but they both average around 9ppg.
Lonzo’s assists and rebounds are slightly better but Marcus is a much better defender, despite Ball’s penchant for steals.
We could have drafted Ball with the #1 pick but why do that when we already have Smart on the team.
Marcus also seems very likeable and a “glue guy.” Lonzo is anything but that.
Not to mention, I think Smart and the #1 pick would have similar salaries this year
I get that this is a "discuss anything" type platform. But comparing Marcus to Lonzo seems sort of...insulting.
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Marcus’s shooting percentages are very similar to Ball’s except Marcus is a much better FT shooter.
Lonzo plays three more mpg but they both average around 9ppg.
Lonzo’s assists and rebounds are slightly better but Marcus is a much better defender, despite Ball’s penchant for steals.
We could have drafted Ball with the #1 pick but why do that when we already have Smart on the team.
Marcus also seems very likeable and a “glue guy.” Lonzo is anything but that.
Not to mention, I think Smart and the #1 pick would have similar salaries this year
I get that this is a "discuss anything" type platform. But comparing Marcus to Lonzo seems sort of...insulting.
To who?
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Marcus’s shooting percentages are very similar to Ball’s except Marcus is a much better FT shooter.
Lonzo plays three more mpg but they both average around 9ppg.
Lonzo’s assists and rebounds are slightly better but Marcus is a much better defender, despite Ball’s penchant for steals.
We could have drafted Ball with the #1 pick but why do that when we already have Smart on the team.
Marcus also seems very likeable and a “glue guy.” Lonzo is anything but that.
Not to mention, I think Smart and the #1 pick would have similar salaries this year
I get that this is a "discuss anything" type platform. But comparing Marcus to Lonzo seems sort of...insulting.
To who?
Marcus’s shooting percentages are very similar to Ball’s except Marcus is a much better FT shooter.
Lonzo plays three more mpg but they both average around 9ppg.
Lonzo’s assists and rebounds are slightly better but Marcus is a much better defender, despite Ball’s penchant for steals.
We could have drafted Ball with the #1 pick but why do that when we already have Smart on the team.
Marcus also seems very likeable and a “glue guy.” Lonzo is anything but that.
Not to mention, I think Smart and the #1 pick would have similar salaries this year
I get that this is a "discuss anything" type platform. But comparing Marcus to Lonzo seems sort of...insulting.
And here we go....
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Marcus Smart to @ChrisMannixYS: “My teammates and my coaching staff has kept telling me to shoot the ball...It’s hard, especially when you’ve been working and things don’t fall. You just have to stick with it.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/934621494054998016
I heard this interview. Smart was visibly upset about his shooting. His voice shook. It sounded like he was absolutely genuine saying that his teammates and coaches are telling him to shoot. He obviously does not want to shoot.
I actually appreciate Smart more now, because he is sacrificing his comfort, his stats, and possibly future money to do what his coaching staff and team says is best for the Boston Celtics.
Teams in the playoffs will definitely play off smart. And it will become a problem.
Wow, that gives me a new appreciation of Smart!
Me too, you gotta love that guy.
That point yesterday where the Suns left Smart absolutely wide open for a 3 where he proceeded to miss it, get his own rebound, dribble back to the same spot, and miss it again must have been brutal for him (it was for us viewers). No Suns player even left the key to pretend to run out on Smart - looks like they got the memo.
Luckily, he was able to bury a couple of other 3s (including the deep on in the 1st half!). Slowly but surely he may be working his way out of this. He is just mere fractions of a point to getting that 3PT% above 30%.
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Here lately he's been shooting a bit better, thankfully.
As long as he's doing the other stuff I'd say let him keep doing his thing.
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I've been asking for his head lately but the Marcus Smart that has shown up the last 5 games or so is the one I like. Take less shots and get easy shots for others. If he continues to do this I'll be happy with him.
Play good defense, pass the ball, hit a few shots.
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I've been asking for his head lately but the Marcus Smart that has shown up the last 5 games or so is the one I like. Take less shots and get easy shots for others. If he continues to do this I'll be happy with him.
Play good defense, pass the ball, hit a few shots.
I know this is a thread about his shooting but let's not forget that Marcus is leading the team in assists right now. His ability to lead the offense and let Kyrie, effectively, be the SG in crunch time has been valuable.
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Here's a good article on why Smart makes our offense better even though he's a bad shooter. 109.3 pp 100 with Smart on the floor and 101.1 without. :o
Apparently it's all about the swag and 'fooling' defenders into thinking you are a threat as a shooter.
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/12/6/16739088/marcus-smart-shooting-stats-terrible-celtics-offense-works
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Here's a good article on why Smart makes our offense better even though he's a bad shooter. 109.3 pp 100 with Smart on the floor and 101.1 without. :o
Apparently it's all about the swag and 'fooling' defenders into thinking you are a threat as a shooter.
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/12/6/16739088/marcus-smart-shooting-stats-terrible-celtics-offense-works
That was an excellent very interesting article. TP for finding that.
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Enjoy Smart while we can...I doubt he will be back next season
Danny will focus on kyrie, tatum, brown moving fwd (payout big contracts) and fill in the rest via draft, FA etc.
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Enjoy Smart while we can...I doubt he will be back next season
Danny will focus on kyrie, tatum, brown moving fwd (payout big contracts) and fill in the rest via draft, FA etc.
A lot of ink has been spilled in other threads about Marcus, but as many people have argued, it seems more likely than not that the market for FA's will be cooler than other years (especially guards who can't shoot), and Danny will match because we are over the cap, and definitely in win now mode.
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Enjoy Smart while we can...I doubt he will be back next season
Danny will focus on kyrie, tatum, brown moving fwd (payout big contracts) and fill in the rest via draft, FA etc.
A lot of ink has been spilled in other threads about Marcus, but as many people have argued, it seems more likely than not that the market for FA's will be cooler than other years (especially guards who can't shoot), and Danny will match because we are over the cap, and definitely in win now mode.
To be real marcus wants somethings north of 15. Compare him to players like crabb, james johnson, KO ...he will get it .. and danny cant afford is my opinion
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Enjoy Smart while we can...I doubt he will be back next season
Danny will focus on kyrie, tatum, brown moving fwd (payout big contracts) and fill in the rest via draft, FA etc.
A lot of ink has been spilled in other threads about Marcus, but as many people have argued, it seems more likely than not that the market for FA's will be cooler than other years (especially guards who can't shoot), and Danny will match because we are over the cap, and definitely in win now mode.
To be real marcus wants somethings north of 15. Compare him to players like crabb, james johnson, KO ...he will get it .. and danny cant afford is my opinion
This has been said before but you can't compare this summer to the summer of the cap boom or last summer when there were still a lot of old contracts around, giving teams more space. There is less going to be less money to go around than there was the last two years.
On top of that with the C's over the cap, they will be more inclined to resign the good players they have than try to go looking for good players in free agency they can't spend much money on.
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I'm hoping Smart will settle for something cheap. If he will accept 10-12 m on a 3 or 4 year deal I can see the Celtics keeping him. If he gets a 15-20m offer from another team, he is as good as gone. As bad as Smart's shooting is, his other attributes still make him a plus for our team when he is out there working hard on the floor.
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to beat GS or Cavs ......teams need shooting first ......Marcus is special cog CBS has woven into his scheme. Marcus would be like Lance Stevenson while back riding the pines . Most teams can't afford to put a non shooter bad as Smart on the court. Mostly the teams already loaded with shooters would find him handy. ....GS ...Cavs ....Spurs .....teams we don't want Smart to land on.
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Okay I'm back on the I hate Marcus Smart team. Can we change his name to Marcus Stupid?? He does some of the dumbest plays and when's off which is most of the time that doesn't stop him! This Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing moron just keeps jacking up shots. OMG get him on a bus out of town ASAP!!!
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Smart was 4-10 today with only two 3pointers taken. From two point land he was 4 for 8, which is not terrible. It was his passing that was poor today.
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LOL, this board love to single him out just to fit their narratives. Kyrie, Theis and Rozier shot worse than Smart in this game, yet nobody is mentioning it.
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LOL, this board love to single him out just to fit their narratives. Kyrie, Theis and Rozier shot worse than Smart in this game, yet nobody is mentioning it.
Surely you can see the difference in the guy who's carried us most of the year vs. Marcus, whose shooting is bad every game, and had almost as many turnovers as the rest of the team combined.
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LOL, this board love to single him out just to fit their narratives. Kyrie, Theis and Rozier shot worse than Smart in this game, yet nobody is mentioning it.
Surely you can see the difference in the guy who's carried us most of the year vs. Marcus, whose shooting is bad every game, and had almost as many turnovers as the rest of the team combined.
Kyrie can be excused but Theis and Rozier carried the team throughout the year? Now you're reaching.
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He is having rough nights but still managed to make a impact
I will take him over Bradley(with their contracts) every day
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I'm even fine with his shooting. It is what it is, but his ball possesion and playmaking is very often pulling the whole game out of our hands. The thing is that he doesn't matter when making mistakes, he just continuous his actions like nothing bad happened. And the worst thing is that Stevens is just watching, no reaction at all. I just couldn't watch when Pistons were on the run in last quarter. I turned the TV off. Bad shooting happens, I don't mind, but this...
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I'm even fine with his shooting. It is what it is, but his ball possesion and playmaking is very often pulling the whole game out of our hands. The thing is that he doesn't matter when making mistakes, he just continuous his actions like nothing bad happened. And the worst thing is that Stevens is just watching, no reaction at all. I just couldn't watch when Pistons were on the run in last quarter. I turned the TV off. Bad shooting happens, I don't mind, but this...
Isn't that a good quality? I want players who can move on after making a mistake. A player who sulks or wastes time worrying about something that's already happened will just fall behind on the next play.
And I just disagree about his playmaking. I missed yesterday's game so I can't speak to that but he's been a terrific playmaker this season, which is a big reason why he's been a plus on offense even with his shooting this bad.
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I'm even fine with his shooting. It is what it is, but his ball possesion and playmaking is very often pulling the whole game out of our hands. The thing is that he doesn't matter when making mistakes, he just continuous his actions like nothing bad happened. And the worst thing is that Stevens is just watching, no reaction at all. I just couldn't watch when Pistons were on the run in last quarter. I turned the TV off. Bad shooting happens, I don't mind, but this...
Isn't that a good quality? I want players who can move on after making a mistake. A player who sulks or wastes time worrying about something that's already happened will just fall behind on the next play.
And I just disagree about his playmaking. I missed yesterday's game so I can't speak to that but he's been a terrific playmaker this season, which is a big reason why he's been a plus on offense even with his shooting this bad.
Making the same mistake again is not exactly moving on.
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I'm even fine with his shooting. It is what it is, but his ball possesion and playmaking is very often pulling the whole game out of our hands. The thing is that he doesn't matter when making mistakes, he just continuous his actions like nothing bad happened. And the worst thing is that Stevens is just watching, no reaction at all. I just couldn't watch when Pistons were on the run in last quarter. I turned the TV off. Bad shooting happens, I don't mind, but this...
Isn't that a good quality? I want players who can move on after making a mistake. A player who sulks or wastes time worrying about something that's already happened will just fall behind on the next play.
And I just disagree about his playmaking. I missed yesterday's game so I can't speak to that but he's been a terrific playmaker this season, which is a big reason why he's been a plus on offense even with his shooting this bad.
Making the same mistake again is not exactly moving on.
I could be misinterpreting but that does not seem to be what iadera was saying in the part I bolded.