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Re: The Sixers missed their sell high moment
« Reply #285 on: January 14, 2017, 07:34:38 PM »

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Oh, and for a little perspective, Embiid is looking real good but he's 22 and will turn 23 this season.

Embiid is averaging 19.6 points, 7.6 rebounds and 2.3 blocks.  22-year-old rookie Alonzo Mourning averaged 21 points, 10.3 rebounds and 3.5 blocks.

But wait!  Embiid is on a minutes and game restriction.  He's averaging 25 minutes a game and is on pace to only play about 50 games.  Mourning averaged 34 minutes and played 78 games as a rookie.  Well, the per 36 numbers have Embiid at 28 points, 10.8 rebounds and 3.3 blocks and Mourning at 22.3 points, 11 rebounds and 3.7 blocks.  But per 36, Embiid is also averaging 19.7 shots a game to Mounings 15.2.

And Embiid has still played fewer games in the NBA than he did his only year in college.

I'd kill for Boston to have a center as good as Mourning but if you suck for half a decade and at the end of if you've got Mourning and a better version of Lamar Odom to show for it, was it really worth it?

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Wow.  So you're saying Embiid who has maybe 100 organized basketball games on his belt in his entire life and is working off two seasons of injury rust that continues to have his minutes limited as he gets into shape - is already playing comparable basketball to a Hall Of Fame player who came into the league healthy after 4 years of College basketball back when College basketball actually had serious competition?   That's pretty amazing.

I came into this season expecting Embiid to be a long-term star who in this first recovery season would maybe average 15-20 minutes per game with like 8 points, 4 rebounds and a block   I figured if he averaged close to what Andre Drummond did as a rookie (7.9 points, 7.6 rebounds, 1.6 blocks, 1 steal) it would have to be considered a massive win given how raw Embiid was coming out of college and the fact he's been bedridden for two years.   But now you're telling me the kid is already playing on the same level as a hall of fame player... that's incredible.
I expected Embiid to be dominant on defense but be much more raw on offense.  With Embiid on court (includes 2 big man experimentation), the Sixers team +/- is 1.3.  Without him, their team +/- is -6.9.   Embiid is doing this with a team that is starting two undrafted players.  Chauncy Billups tweeted that Embiid was already the best center in the East.  Now imagine how much better he'll be with more experience and better teammates. 

Re: The Sixers missed their sell high moment
« Reply #286 on: January 14, 2017, 08:26:28 PM »

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Philly is playing in Washington right now with Okafor filling in for Embiid (second night of a back-to-back)... Okafor just went to the line and Philly fans in attendance started chanting "MVP'.  What an entertaining season.

Re: The Sixers missed their sell high moment
« Reply #287 on: January 14, 2017, 09:33:27 PM »

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Philly is playing in Washington right now with Okafor filling in for Embiid (second night of a back-to-back)... Okafor just went to the line and Philly fans in attendance started chanting "MVP'.  What an entertaining season.

Lol what idiots

Re: The Sixers missed their sell high moment
« Reply #288 on: January 14, 2017, 09:53:30 PM »

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Okafor has 20 points and they are getting blown out. Do people get
It?

Re: The Sixers missed their sell high moment
« Reply #289 on: January 14, 2017, 09:58:41 PM »

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Re: The Sixers missed their sell high moment
« Reply #290 on: January 14, 2017, 10:19:56 PM »

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Okafor has 20 points and they are getting blown out. Do people get
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Yes they get it.  Embiid is a future superstar.  Superstars gonna superstar. 

Without their two superstar prospects (Embiid and Simmons), the Sixers struggle.  Just like any team in the league would struggle without their two superstars.

Still, hard to look at Okafor putting up 26 points, 9 rebounds, 1 block and 1 steal - again outperforming every single player in the 2016 rookie class, and come away thinking "That 21 year old will never be better than he is right now 81 games into his NBA career... they couldn't get a late 1st rounder for him". 

Re: The Sixers missed their sell high moment
« Reply #291 on: January 14, 2017, 10:24:00 PM »

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Yes they get it.  Embiid is a future superstar.  Superstars gonna superstar. 

Without their two superstar prospects (Embiid and Simmons), the Sixers struggle.  Just like any team in the league would struggle without their two superstars.

Still, hard to look at Okafor putting up 26 points, 9 rebounds, 1 block and 1 steal - again outperforming every single player in the 2016 rookie class, and come away thinking "That 21 year old will never be better than he is right now 81 games into his NBA career... they couldn't get a late 1st rounder for him".

Remember when Allen ray was putting up 20 points a game for us?

Re: The Sixers missed their sell high moment
« Reply #292 on: January 14, 2017, 10:28:00 PM »

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Okafor has 20 points and they are getting blown out. Do people get
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Okafor had 26 points on good shooting and 9 rebounds but somehow its his fault they are getting blown out.  The thing to get is how good Embiid is offensively and especially defensively to make them competitive.  Okafor could become an offensive star but he's never going to be a franchise changing player like Embiid.  Put Okafor on a team with good defenders and he could be successful.   

Re: The Sixers missed their sell high moment
« Reply #293 on: January 14, 2017, 10:36:01 PM »

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Okafor has 20 points and they are getting blown out. Do people get it?

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You don't seem to get it. I'm not a huge fan of Okafor's game but this is downright stupid. The 76ers have gotten blown out a lot both with and without Okafor. They lost to a better team on the road. He put up 26 and 9. It's not his fault that Stauskas went 1-9, TJ McConnell went 2-8 or other guys failed to step up.

Even if those are "empty stats", they're still better empty stats than anyone else on that miserable team has.
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Re: The Sixers missed their sell high moment
« Reply #294 on: January 14, 2017, 11:33:56 PM »

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Okafor has 20 points and they are getting blown out. Do people get it?

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You don't seem to get it. I'm not a huge fan of Okafor's game but this is downright stupid. The 76ers have gotten blown out a lot both with and without Okafor. They lost to a better team on the road. He put up 26 and 9. It's not his fault that Stauskas went 1-9, TJ McConnell went 2-8 or other guys failed to step up.

Even if those are "empty stats", they're still better empty stats than anyone else on that miserable team has.

Wait so they are beating Charlotte and the Knicks but get blown by the wizards and okafor puts up some empty stats. The only difference was playing okafor instead of embiid. Then guys want to talk about okafors stats.

Re: The Sixers missed their sell high moment
« Reply #295 on: January 14, 2017, 11:38:02 PM »

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Also they gave up 20 more points today than either of their last two games 🙄

Re: The Sixers missed their sell high moment
« Reply #296 on: January 14, 2017, 11:43:32 PM »

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Okafor has 20 points and they are getting blown out. Do people get it?

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You don't seem to get it. I'm not a huge fan of Okafor's game but this is downright stupid. The 76ers have gotten blown out a lot both with and without Okafor. They lost to a better team on the road. He put up 26 and 9. It's not his fault that Stauskas went 1-9, TJ McConnell went 2-8 or other guys failed to step up.

Even if those are "empty stats", they're still better empty stats than anyone else on that miserable team has.

Wait so they are beating Charlotte and the Knicks but get blown by the wizards and okafor puts up some empty stats. The only difference was playing okafor instead of embiid. Then guys want to talk about okafors stats.
i don't get the logic on that clay.  You're saying if Westbrook sat out a game and Oklahoma got blown out without him, you'd blame the player on Oklahoma that scored 26 points without him? 

Philly lost tonight because Simmons and Embiid sat, it was the second night of a back to back, and they are still very young and a while away from being a legitimately good team even when healthy.  Okafor had a nice offensive game tonight.  Defensively it's clear they missed Embiid.

Re: The Sixers missed their sell high moment
« Reply #297 on: January 14, 2017, 11:50:04 PM »

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Okafor has 20 points and they are getting blown out. Do people get it?

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You don't seem to get it. I'm not a huge fan of Okafor's game but this is downright stupid. The 76ers have gotten blown out a lot both with and without Okafor. They lost to a better team on the road. He put up 26 and 9. It's not his fault that Stauskas went 1-9, TJ McConnell went 2-8 or other guys failed to step up.

Even if those are "empty stats", they're still better empty stats than anyone else on that miserable team has.

Wait so they are beating Charlotte and the Knicks but get blown by the wizards and okafor puts up some empty stats. The only difference was playing okafor instead of embiid. Then guys want to talk about okafors stats.
You could put most centers in the league on the Sixers and the Sixers would lose badly.  Because of their poor guard play, the Sixers need a center who is strong offensively and defensively.  All this shows is that Embiid is a beast.  A fire breathing dragon not some wussy unicorn.   

Re: The Sixers missed their sell high moment
« Reply #298 on: January 14, 2017, 11:52:36 PM »

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Embiid>>Okafor

this shouldnt be groundbreaking.

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Re: The Sixers missed their sell high moment
« Reply #299 on: January 15, 2017, 12:01:06 AM »

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Oh, and for a little perspective, Embiid is looking real good but he's 22 and will turn 23 this season.

Embiid is averaging 19.6 points, 7.6 rebounds and 2.3 blocks.  22-year-old rookie Alonzo Mourning averaged 21 points, 10.3 rebounds and 3.5 blocks.

But wait!  Embiid is on a minutes and game restriction.  He's averaging 25 minutes a game and is on pace to only play about 50 games.  Mourning averaged 34 minutes and played 78 games as a rookie.  Well, the per 36 numbers have Embiid at 28 points, 10.8 rebounds and 3.3 blocks and Mourning at 22.3 points, 11 rebounds and 3.7 blocks.  But per 36, Embiid is also averaging 19.7 shots a game to Mounings 15.2.

And Embiid has still played fewer games in the NBA than he did his only year in college.

I'd kill for Boston to have a center as good as Mourning but if you suck for half a decade and at the end of if you've got Mourning and a better version of Lamar Odom to show for it, was it really worth it?

Mike
Wow.  So you're saying Embiid who has maybe 100 organized basketball games on his belt in his entire life and is working off two seasons of injury rust that continues to have his minutes limited as he gets into shape - is already playing comparable basketball to a Hall Of Fame player who came into the league healthy after 4 years of College basketball back when College basketball actually had serious competition?   That's pretty amazing.

I came into this season expecting Embiid to be a long-term star who in this first recovery season would maybe average 15-20 minutes per game with like 8 points, 4 rebounds and a block   I figured if he averaged close to what Andre Drummond did as a rookie (7.9 points, 7.6 rebounds, 1.6 blocks, 1 steal) it would have to be considered a massive win given how raw Embiid was coming out of college and the fact he's been bedridden for two years.   But now you're telling me the kid is already playing on the same level as a hall of fame player... that's incredible.
Those are ridiculously low expectations
Nobody would have been surprised if a guy who hasn't played basketball in two years and is adjusting to the NBA game would put up mediocre stats.   Jaylen Brown is averaging like 3 points and he's not working off 2 years of basketball rust.

Mbunge is moving the goal posts.  He didn't think Embiid would ever play.  Then he didn't think Embiid would make it 20 games.  Now he's acting like it's a disappointment that Embiid is only as good as a hall of fame center as a rookie.  I have a feeling Philly could improbably make the playoffs (basically impossible this year, but should happen in the next 3) and MBunge would make a post acting like it's a disappointment they didn't win a championship.
I thought and still believe the major question with Joel is his injuries.

He was the clear cut #1 prospect over 2 guys who were branded as the 2 best prospects in years.

I mean Wiggins and Parker are big time and Embiid was a no-brainer over him. He had a terrible medical situation but he was still picked ahead of 4 or 5 projected stars.

For me, if Embiid ever touched the court he was likely to be a beast. Last two big men to sit out their rookie years due to injury were Noel and Griffin. Griffin was much more skilled out of Oklahoma while Embiid was more raw, but both those guys had great rookie seasons
Noel: 10/8 with 2 steals and 2 blocks
Griffin:23/12/4 arguably his best season as a pro.
Skipping a year is a huge advantage skipping two must be massive. Drummond was a far inferrior prospect and didnt have 2 years to prepare for his debut. I expect Embiid to improve, but not nearly as much as a typical rookie. Luckily for Philly fans, even with little improvement Embiid is a franchise altering talent.

The questions about his health are still very much there. Hes played one half of one season on a minutes restriction and sitting out back to backs.
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