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Re: Heat (0-1) at Celtics (1-0) Round 1 Game #2 4/24/24
« Reply #555 on: April 24, 2024, 10:53:31 PM »

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Jayson Tatum got in his own head in the third quarter because he didn’t get a foul called. It impacted every part of his game from the point on. He missed layups. He was lazy on defense. He missed free throws.

This team is so poorly equipped mentally to handle anything. When things don’t go their way or aren’t easy they fall to pieces.

I need white jrue and KP to get things going.

Kp deserves plenty of blame for his play today also. He couldn’t score on herro or Duncan 1 on 1 several times. Turnovers when they doubled him. Awful shooting.

Re: Heat (0-1) at Celtics (1-0) Round 1 Game #2 4/24/24
« Reply #556 on: April 24, 2024, 10:54:15 PM »

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Re: Heat (0-1) at Celtics (1-0) Round 1 Game #2 4/24/24
« Reply #557 on: April 24, 2024, 10:55:50 PM »

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ouch.

and this about sums it up:

https://www.instagram.com/p/C6Ko2bRMtyf/?igsh=MTk4ZWwzdzZnNnFjNQ%3D%3D

I will swear off basketball if the Heat beat the Celtics 4 times.

Re: Heat (0-1) at Celtics (1-0) Round 1 Game #2 4/24/24
« Reply #558 on: April 24, 2024, 10:59:42 PM »

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ouch.

and this about sums it up:

https://www.instagram.com/p/C6Ko2bRMtyf/?igsh=MTk4ZWwzdzZnNnFjNQ%3D%3D

I will swear off basketball if the Heat beat the Celtics 4 times.

well at least the C's don't need to invent their own bulletin board material.
but not real brave by Jimmy.   If the heat win he looks good, if the heat lose, he can claim, well I didn't play...
he is just trying to get into JT/JB's head.


Re: Heat (0-1) at Celtics (1-0) Round 1 Game #2 4/24/24
« Reply #559 on: April 24, 2024, 11:01:34 PM »

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My biggest concern is Boston plays so poorly at home in the playoffs. It’s just crazy.

Also in 2008, the Atlanta Hawks an eight seed pulled the highly respected and favored Celtics into a seven game series. In the end that seven game series as well as the one with Cleveland served that Boston team well.

Don’t give up the ship. Game three will tell a lot about this team.

Interesting point, but that Celtics team blew Atlanta out in their home games that series. It was in Atlanta against a hyped-up Hawk team in a hostile environment that they struggled, though those road losses were very close games. The '08 team didn't come out flat and lethargic at home and their leader, Garnett, never looked intimidated or shaken by the moment.

That 2008 team was not as good on the road in the playoffs as this group is. Say what you will but the core of these guys usually win multiple road games in a series. I expect they win Saturday.

Not quite true. The '08 team struggled on the road in their first two series, but eventually won huge road games vs Detroit (twice) and Los Angeles (the historic finals game four 20+ point comeback). After they got a few tough road losses under their belt for the first time as a group, they improved significantly. Of course, they had hyper-competitive leaders like Garnett and Posey who did not lose their composure and fade under pressure like Tatum often seems to do. Tatum and Brown, our two foundations, have always been good front-runners but have not usually excelled in the toughest games.
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Re: Heat (0-1) at Celtics (1-0) Round 1 Game #2 4/24/24
« Reply #560 on: April 24, 2024, 11:06:07 PM »

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My biggest concern is Boston plays so poorly at home in the playoffs. It’s just crazy.

Also in 2008, the Atlanta Hawks an eight seed pulled the highly respected and favored Celtics into a seven game series. In the end that seven game series as well as the one with Cleveland served that Boston team well.

Don’t give up the ship. Game three will tell a lot about this team.

Interesting point, but that Celtics team blew Atlanta out in their home games that series. It was in Atlanta against a hyped-up Hawk team in a hostile environment that they struggled, though those road losses were very close games. The '08 team didn't come out flat and lethargic at home and their leader, Garnett, never looked intimidated or shaken by the moment. That group had never been through a tough playoff series together and they became better as the playoffs progressed. This current '24 group has plenty of playoff experience, individually and together.

If Garnett was on this current team, he'll chew them out and make players cry in the locker room. Can't let these lapses happen multiple times.


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Re: Heat (0-1) at Celtics (1-0) Round 1 Game #2 4/24/24
« Reply #561 on: April 24, 2024, 11:07:55 PM »

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ouch.

and this about sums it up:

https://www.instagram.com/p/C6Ko2bRMtyf/?igsh=MTk4ZWwzdzZnNnFjNQ%3D%3D

Well deserved for this squad after tonight's showing. Jaylen has the tendency to run his mouth a lot. Remember that game against the Warriors? Did that "too small" gesture to Curry in the first half, and then Curry lit him and the C's up in the second half. Guy needs to zip it and put up.


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Re: Heat (0-1) at Celtics (1-0) Round 1 Game #2 4/24/24
« Reply #562 on: April 24, 2024, 11:08:24 PM »

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Jayson Tatum got in his own head in the third quarter because he didn’t get a foul called. It impacted every part of his game from the point on. He missed layups. He was lazy on defense. He missed free throws.

This team is so poorly equipped mentally to handle anything. When things don’t go their way or aren’t easy they fall to pieces.

I need white jrue and KP to get things going.

Kp deserves plenty of blame for his play today also. He couldn’t score on herro or Duncan 1 on 1 several times. Turnovers when they doubled him. Awful shooting.

it would be hilarious, if it weren’t so infuriating. the best team in the regular season by a large margin was completely overwhelmed on defense by the oldest play in basketball: the PnR. it’s like Spo invented the PnR last night and sprung it on the C’s for the first time today. 

on offense, the C’s were utterly confounded by simple double teams because they can’t execute the most simple offensive tactic in the game: pass and cut, move the ball.

what’s the old definition of insanity? doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result. if the C’s don’t change something drastically, which they’ve failed to do for 5+ seasons, this season’s result will be no different than the past five. tonight confirmed that as much as some things have changed (coaches, teammates, opponents, etc.), nothing has really changed.

Re: Heat (0-1) at Celtics (1-0) Round 1 Game #2 4/24/24
« Reply #563 on: April 24, 2024, 11:20:47 PM »

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Jayson Tatum got in his own head in the third quarter because he didn’t get a foul called. It impacted every part of his game from the point on. He missed layups. He was lazy on defense. He missed free throws.

This team is so poorly equipped mentally to handle anything. When things don’t go their way or aren’t easy they fall to pieces.

I need white jrue and KP to get things going.

Kp deserves plenty of blame for his play today also. He couldn’t score on herro or Duncan 1 on 1 several times. Turnovers when they doubled him. Awful shooting.

That had to be his worst game as a Celtic. He was god awful from start to finish.
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Re: Heat (0-1) at Celtics (1-0) Round 1 Game #2 4/24/24
« Reply #564 on: April 24, 2024, 11:22:42 PM »

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ouch.

and this about sums it up:

https://www.instagram.com/p/C6Ko2bRMtyf/?igsh=MTk4ZWwzdzZnNnFjNQ%3D%3D

Well deserved for this squad after tonight's showing. Jaylen has the tendency to run his mouth a lot. Remember that game against the Warriors? Did that "too small" gesture to Curry in the first half, and then Curry lit him and the C's up in the second half. Guy needs to zip it and put up.

Miami should feel free to talk trash. Humiliated us 4 out of the last 5 playoff games on our home court.

Re: Heat (0-1) at Celtics (1-0) Round 1 Game #2 4/24/24
« Reply #565 on: April 24, 2024, 11:29:10 PM »

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Tatum +8 in 41 minutes

Brown -20 in 37 minutes

Pretty much sums up the last 7 years.

for gawds sake are you even watching the game.  Brown has played well.  plus minus doesnt tell the whole story so stupid
We've seen this for 7 years.  When Brown has these great shooting games, he is generally playing selfish ball and doesn't work as hard defensively.  It is years and years of the same thing. Tatum played 41 minutes and Boston outscored the Heat by 6 points.  Tatum sits on the bench and Brown has to step up and Boston gets outscored by 16 points in the 7 minutes Tatum rested.  In game 1, Brown took just 12 shots, he had 3 assists, and just 1 turnover.  He was +17 in the 34 minutes. He played much better team ball.  That is the Brown we need.  Not the Brown from tonight when he took more shots than Tatum and had nearly double the shots of the 3rd person.  Gunner mode Brown is not good for the team, even when he is hitting shots because he doesn't play team ball.  He had just 1 assist, he turned it over 3 times, and his defense wasn't very good.

While I generally agree with the advanced stats and impact of JT versus JB, I don't think this is the issue tonight.

Rather, the issue was that when Tatum was out it was largely with Joe going with the double big lineup that was an awful decision and choice all night long with them killing us from three off the high PnR. That's the more relevant aspect of the on-off numbers with Tatum, at least. In this case at least, JB being part of that lineup seems more coincidence than a cause of its futility.
Sure, and yet Brown wasn't any good OFFENSIVELY during those stretches.  Take the 1st quarter.  When Tatum and Jrue went out and PP and Al came in at 6:27 and Boston leading 14-9.  Tatum and Jrue came back in for KP and White at 1:57 with Brown on the line and Boston trailing 24-20.  While Tatum was on the bench these are Boston's offensive possessions:

KP miss 3
JB miss 3
KP miss 2
White make 2
JB make layup
KP turnover
Brown miss 2
Brown make layup
White miss 3
Al turnover

JB missed a foul shot, Tatum enters, and JB missed the 2nd foul shot

So in the 11 offensive possessions Tatum was on the bench in the 1st quarter, the Celtics made 3 shots, committed 2 turnovers, got fouled and missed both free throws, and missed 5 FG's.  3 of 11 isn't a good enough success rate to win playoff basketball games.

The Heat definitely hit some shots, but Boston has to score on more than 3 of 11 possessions.  The rest of the quarter Boston had 4 possessions and scored on every single one of them (they missed a FG, but got the offensive rebound on it). 

Tatum played the entire 2nd quarter.

Tatum left the game in the 3rd quarter at 5:36 and the C's down 75-70.  The C's miss 3 shots on 3 straight possessions (White miss 2, KP miss 2, Jrue miss 2) before Al came in for Holiday, though the Heat didn't score either.  With the 2 big lineup now in the game

White turnover
Brown turnover

Tatum re-enters the game for Brown at 3:18 with Boston now trailing 82-70 (Hauser and Jrue re-enter game as well).  So in the 2 minutes 18 seconds Tatum was on the bench, Boston had 5 offensive possessions and didn't score a single point.  On the first possession with Tatum back on the floor, Al missed a 2, but then Hauser hits a 3, Tatum draws 2 foul shots (which he makes), Tatum gets a dunk, Tatum missed a 2, Tatum gets another dunk, and then Tatum missed a layup right before the end of the quarter.  Boston pulled to within 6, 85-79.  Tatum played the entire 4th quarter (and to be fair it wasn't a good quarter from basically anyone on the team).

Tatum was basically on the bench for 16 Boston possessions in the game and Boston scored on 3 of the 16.  That was the problem. It was the offense.  Brown couldn't step into the role he needed to play.  He simply wasn't effective without Tatum on the floor with him.  This is the issue with Brown on this team.  He is basically a worse version of Tatum.  He provides nothing Tatum doesn't provide, and because he isn't as good as Tatum, the team doesn't work nearly as well without Tatum. So when I've said, Brown doesn't compliment Tatum, this is what I mean. Someone like Hauser who is an absolutely elite shooter, compliments Tatum. We've seen this year after year.  It doesn't change because Tatum and Brown are who they are at this point.
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Re: Heat (0-1) at Celtics (1-0) Round 1 Game #2 4/24/24
« Reply #566 on: April 24, 2024, 11:47:19 PM »

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Mo has a nice and thorough analysis regarding Tatum benching while Brown was on the floor. People have asked me about my signature and asked "do u still wanna trade Joe and Brown?"...games (and postseason games) like this is the reason why I want them both gone. These are repeated issues that we've seen before. And those JB handles, turnovers, missed FTs... nothing's changed. Never get it in their thick skull.


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Re: Heat (0-1) at Celtics (1-0) Round 1 Game #2 4/24/24
« Reply #567 on: April 24, 2024, 11:52:54 PM »

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Not gonna lose many games when you shoot 23-43 from 3PT land for 53.5% shooting.

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Re: Heat (0-1) at Celtics (1-0) Round 1 Game #2 4/24/24
« Reply #568 on: April 25, 2024, 12:37:05 AM »

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We beat ourself again in large part…gave up open shots to their nobody players like last year and they shot 55%. They better come up with a different plan because this one definitely didn’t work
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Re: Heat (0-1) at Celtics (1-0) Round 1 Game #2 4/24/24
« Reply #569 on: April 25, 2024, 12:40:18 AM »

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Jayson Tatum got in his own head in the third quarter because he didn’t get a foul called. It impacted every part of his game from the point on. He missed layups. He was lazy on defense. He missed free throws.

This team is so poorly equipped mentally to handle anything. When things don’t go their way or aren’t easy they fall to pieces.

I need white jrue and KP to get things going.

Kp deserves plenty of blame for his play today also. He couldn’t score on herro or Duncan 1 on 1 several times. Turnovers when they doubled him. Awful shooting.

That had to be his worst game as a Celtic. He was god awful from start to finish.

The shooting was bad enough, missing bunnies from 10 feet away, clanking 3s, being treated like a turnstile, and being a -32 in a game we lost by 10 which means whenever we would come back KP would get subbed in and give up a lead agin…but worst of all one field goal in the 2nd half? That’s epic level shrinking from the moment right there  :(
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