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Re: 2023 Offseason Historical Draft - Rules Thread
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2023, 05:51:51 PM »

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How do we factor injury history into this? For example, there’s a few guys I won’t name that have had monster seasons early on and then got decimated by injuries that cut their career short.

I’ll use an ineligible NBA 75 guy to illustrate the point. Bill Walton had a dominant championship winning season in Portland in 77, followed it up with an MVP season, and then played 14 games the next 4 years.

If he were eligible, and 1977 Bill Walton was selected, would we be viewing him under the lens of ‘we know he’s going to miss the next 4 years’ or just that he’s generally injury prone, or would we really be taking that individual season and his overall ability into account?

For injuries, my view has always been you're taking the player as he actually was health-wise in that season.  So, if you select Bill Walton's MVP season, you get peak Bill Walton, but only for 58 regular season games and an injury-plagued playoffs (played 2 out of 6 games).

That's not the only valid way of looking at it, though.
This is how I look at injuries too, but there is some diversity of opinion there. Which is fine - I think as long as the discussion is had between those with differing opinions (respectfully!), then it's all good :)
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 Offseason Historical Draft - Rules Thread
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2023, 06:07:08 PM »

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I wonder about the current players rule: whether it should be players not currently on a roster or players not on a roster last season.

There is 1-2 old players currently not signed yet but have a good chance to get signed before the end of the summer. Guys that played last season.

Or perhaps did not play an NBA game last season is easier than not on a roster. Easier to check.
So, either currently is on a roster, or was on a 2022-23 roster? I'm happy with either, as both are easy to check.

Yeah, I am with either as well. Others seem to prefer currently on the roster so we should roll with that.

Re: 2023 Offseason Historical Draft - Rules Thread
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2023, 06:17:15 PM »

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I wonder about the current players rule: whether it should be players not currently on a roster or players not on a roster last season.

There is 1-2 old players currently not signed yet but have a good chance to get signed before the end of the summer. Guys that played last season.

Or perhaps did not play an NBA game last season is easier than not on a roster. Easier to check.
So, either currently is on a roster, or was on a 2022-23 roster? I'm happy with either, as both are easy to check.

Yeah, I am with either as well. Others seem to prefer currently on the roster so we should roll with that.
Cool, in that case I will leave the rules OP as it is. It doesn't seem to me as if there is much pushback, so I think soon people should regard them as relatively set in stone
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 Offseason Historical Draft - Rules Thread
« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2023, 10:30:30 AM »

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Would love to see a mock up of a few picks because this is really tedious. My fear is I take players that aren't allowed to be picked.

Re: 2023 Offseason Historical Draft - Rules Thread
« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2023, 12:06:14 PM »

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Two good resources I found helpful were the list of the top 75 not allowed (https://www.nba.com/news/nba-75th-anniversary-team-announced) and the wiki list of All-NBA teams (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team#1988%E2%80%9389_to_2022%E2%80%9323). That page tells you who is currently playing as of now as well.
2023 No Top 75 Fantasy Draft Los Angeles Clippers
PG: Dennis Johnson / Jo Jo White / Stephon Marbury
SG: Sidney Moncrief / World B. Free
SF: Chris Mullin / Ron Artest
PF: Detlef Schrempf / Tom Chambers / Buck Williams
C: Ben Wallace / Andrew Bynum

Re: 2023 Offseason Historical Draft - Rules Thread
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2023, 12:35:58 PM »

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Two good resources I found helpful were the list of the top 75 not allowed (https://www.nba.com/news/nba-75th-anniversary-team-announced) and the wiki list of All-NBA teams (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team#1988%E2%80%9389_to_2022%E2%80%9323). That page tells you who is currently playing as of now as well.

That was helpful. Thank you.

I know when I did my first list of players I missed out on some top names. I searched for biggest names to miss out on the top 75 just to double check I had all the big ones but I missed 3 guys who are probable 1st round picks. Then I missed another guy that I only just remembered about the other day who should be a starter in this draft. He is on that list.

There was one guy there on that list that I did not have on mine but I don't think I'll be drafting him. Maybe though. I did not realize he was still playing at a high level in the late 70s. I thought he was finished as a top player by then.

Re: 2023 Offseason Historical Draft - Rules Thread
« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2023, 06:02:52 PM »

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Would love to see a mock up of a few picks because this is really tedious. My fear is I take players that aren't allowed to be picked.
What elements of the parameters are you confused about? The NBA 75 has been linked in several posts (see RPGs above), and it is relatively easy to find who is currently on an NBA roster.
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 Offseason Historical Draft - Rules Thread
« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2023, 09:31:11 PM »

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What is the first year, is it 76-77?
2023 Historical Draft - Brooklyn Nets - 9th pick

Bigs - Pau, Amar'e, Issel, McGinnis, Roundfield
Wings - Dantley, Bowen, J. Jackson
Guards - Cheeks, Petrovic, Buse, Rip

Re: 2023 Offseason Historical Draft - Rules Thread
« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2023, 09:41:57 PM »

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What is the first year, is it 76-77?
Yep. Merger happened offseason of '76.
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)