Sorry not a fan of Wanamaker

[gouki88]

Not sure I agree with this ranking. This is not necessarily who I'd rather on my team, but these guys are better players. I have these guys ahead of Wanamaker:

Teague - ATL $19m
Brunson - DAL $1.5m
Morris - DEN $1.5m
Holiday - IND $2.2m
Rondo - LAL $2.6m
Dragic - MIA $17m
Hill - MIL $9.6m
Schroder - OKC $17m
Augustin - ORL $7.3m
Mills - SAS $12m
Ish Smith - WAS $6m

So I have Brad right around the middle of the pack. Guys like Delon Wright, TJ McConnell and Tyus Jones are on his level

See the above, average salaries listed after each player. We are paying Wanamaker $1.4m so he's literally the cheapest relative to that group...I'd say while he's a decent backup talent-wise, he's a terrific value relative to many of those guys.

Even D. Wright ($9.3m), McConnell ($3.5m) and Jones ($8.8m) are significantly more expensive.

With the fragility of our other PGs over the last two years, and our being up agains the cap, I think Wanamaker has to do down as an underrated coup of sorts by Ainge.

For sure, and I reckon once we're fully healthy (which we haven't really been at all this season for any long period of time) I think Wanamaker will be at his best. Low usage, good shooter who can hold his own against lots of point guards on defence.

I do however think he's a goner due to how low his contract has been.

[tstorey_97]

The Celtics have a cadre of "expensive players."

Nothing you can do about beyond trading someone right?

Lou Williams could play here, but, Ainge would have to get rid of one of the "big 4" and what is that going to do?

Wanamaker is a creature of the team's money structure. At the price? You get what you get.

In the last 20 to 30 games Wanamaker has been on the money. A backup up PG that doesn't lose the game. Early on he had turnover issues, but not since fall.

He has "patented" a couple of solid drives from different angles, he learned how to steal balls from opposing pg's whom are "looking to pass" and Wanamaker is an ok passer...not great in any way, but he doesn't hurt the the team.

Beyond the guys who get paid a lot, nobody on the Celtics needs to score...no one. The "big 4" have a representative or two on the court at all times and, they are the all star level offense that has won all the games this year.

Excellent posts here, by the way. Celticsstrong is a great forum.
 
As has been observed in this thread, Wanamaker is "not small," can hit a three, is ok at the line, doesn't lose his mind under pressure and isn't a liability on defense.

I think his game improved this year with the extra minutes gained from cuckoo injury stats.

He actually might get paid some $$ by an NBA team next year.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Wanamaker is doing the job he is being paid for. We just expect everyone to be great and that is where the problem starts. Every player on the team isn't going to be good/great. The money and the larger roles/opportunities go to the starters, for us the 4 AS level players, the other roles will be filled from slim pickings (they have to agree to come too). I'm happy Wanamaker is giving some value, we have needed it a lot this season.

[Jvalin]

I'm perfectly happy with Wanamaker. Couldn't expect anything more from a guy on a vet minimum contract. If he's willing to re-sign for the minimum, I'd rather keep him over Waters.

- Unlike Waters, he doesn't need the ball in his hands in order to maximize his effectivess, hence he fits perfectly next to our scoring wings.
- Unlike Waters, he can hold his own on defense.

If you ask me, Wanamaker is a good role player during the regular season. Having said that, I'd rather give his minutes to Kemba-Smart come playoff time.

PG: Kemba (36) - Smart (12)
SG: Brown (24) - Smart (24)
SF: Hayward (36) - Brown (12)
PF: Tatum (36) - Grant/Semi (12)
C: Theis (30) - Kanter (18)

(or something along these lines)

[Celtics4ever]

Unlike Waters, he can hold his own on defense.

Really, I think Wannamaker is an ok defender, not a great one by any stretch.  He is very prone to make stupid fouls.

[mobilija]

If you ask me, Wanamaker is a good role player during the regular season. Having said that, I'd rather give his minutes to Kemba-Smart come playoff time.

This.

He works as a regular season 11 or 12 guy. Solid, some warts, cheap.
Would be exposed in a playoff series.

[Jvalin]

If you ask me, Wanamaker is a good role player during the regular season. Having said that, I'd rather give his minutes to Kemba-Smart come playoff time.

This.

He works as a regular season 11 or 12 guy. Solid, some warts, cheap.
Would be exposed in a playoff series.

As things stand right now, I would argue he's our 9th guy.

1-5 (in random order): Kemba, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Smart
6: Theis
7: Kanter
8: Grant
9: Wanamaker
10: Semi

Possibly even 8th over Grant.

[mobilija]

If you ask me, Wanamaker is a good role player during the regular season. Having said that, I'd rather give his minutes to Kemba-Smart come playoff time.

This.

He works as a regular season 11 or 12 guy. Solid, some warts, cheap.
Would be exposed in a playoff series.

As things stand right now, I would argue he's our 9th guy.

1-5 (in random order): Kemba, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Smart
6: Theis
7: Kanter
8: Grant
9: Wanamaker
10: Semi

Possibly even 8th over Grant.

You are right. He is in more of the 8-10 range on our team. I’d say in the back of that grouping as he is our 3rd string pg and I feel grant and Semi offer more value with their skill sets.

But I think the main point still stands. He’s simply ok. Not hurting us much but also not offering a whole lot other than bench stability and simply not being awful. And that we are in trouble if he is getting many playoff minutes. Grant and Semi offer much more value in the playoffs then he does. Grant and, to a much leases degree, semi have shown to be able to alter a game with their defense and winning plays. I haven’t seen that from Wanna. I think Good teams will learn to pick on him when he is in the game. For the playoffs we’d be better off w a 3pt shooting specialist than what wanna offers.

[fairweatherfan]

If you ask me, Wanamaker is a good role player during the regular season. Having said that, I'd rather give his minutes to Kemba-Smart come playoff time.

This.

He works as a regular season 11 or 12 guy. Solid, some warts, cheap.
Would be exposed in a playoff series.

I don't know that he'd be exposed so much as ineffectual but he's definitely a spot/emergency guy in a playoff rotation.

If we do the standard 8.5 player rotation with Smart/Kanter/Grant as the main 3 he or Semi will probably be the .5 depending on matchup.

[Fafnir]

If you ask me, Wanamaker is a good role player during the regular season. Having said that, I'd rather give his minutes to Kemba-Smart come playoff time.

This.

He works as a regular season 11 or 12 guy. Solid, some warts, cheap.
Would be exposed in a playoff series.

This just isn't true. Brad is our 7th ranked player in order of minutes played. He's not an 11th or 12th man. Not for this team and not based on his overall production.

He's solidly in the 7 to 9 range and that's where he's going to be in the playoffs too. The bulk of the minutes are going to be to the top 6 of course when it is a largely 8 man rotation.

[Fafnir]

If you ask me, Wanamaker is a good role player during the regular season. Having said that, I'd rather give his minutes to Kemba-Smart come playoff time.

This.

He works as a regular season 11 or 12 guy. Solid, some warts, cheap.
Would be exposed in a playoff series.

I don't know that he'd be exposed so much as ineffectual but he's definitely a spot/emergency guy in a playoff rotation.

If we do the standard 8.5 player rotation with Smart/Kanter/Grant as the main 3 he or Semi will probably be the .5 depending on matchup.

I don't think the C's will only play 5 perimeter player with how often they're playing small. I think Wanamaker is always going to get some minutes. though it will probably be the 5 to 10 range

[fairweatherfan]

If you ask me, Wanamaker is a good role player during the regular season. Having said that, I'd rather give his minutes to Kemba-Smart come playoff time.

This.

He works as a regular season 11 or 12 guy. Solid, some warts, cheap.
Would be exposed in a playoff series.

I don't know that he'd be exposed so much as ineffectual but he's definitely a spot/emergency guy in a playoff rotation.

If we do the standard 8.5 player rotation with Smart/Kanter/Grant as the main 3 he or Semi will probably be the .5 depending on matchup.

I don't think the C's will only play 5 perimeter player with how often they're playing small. I think Wanamaker is always going to get some minutes. though it will probably be the 5 to 10 range

That's pretty consistent with the ".5" role though. Semi is also a perimeter player, but you may be right that when we play him both he and Wanamaker will get some minutes instead of an either/or.

[mmmmm]

If you ask me, Wanamaker is a good role player during the regular season. Having said that, I'd rather give his minutes to Kemba-Smart come playoff time.

This.

He works as a regular season 11 or 12 guy. Solid, some warts, cheap.
Would be exposed in a playoff series.

As things stand right now, I would argue he's our 9th guy.

1-5 (in random order): Kemba, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Smart
6: Theis
7: Kanter
8: Grant
9: Wanamaker
10: Semi

Possibly even 8th over Grant.

You are right. He is in more of the 8-10 range on our team. I’d say in the back of that grouping as he is our 3rd string pg and I feel grant and Semi offer more value with their skill sets.

But I think the main point still stands. He’s simply ok. Not hurting us much but also not offering a whole lot other than bench stability and simply not being awful. And that we are in trouble if he is getting many playoff minutes. Grant and Semi offer much more value in the playoffs then he does. Grant and, to a much leases degree, semi have shown to be able to alter a game with their defense and winning plays. I haven’t seen that from Wanna. I think Good teams will learn to pick on him when he is in the game. For the playoffs we’d be better off w a 3pt shooting specialist than what wanna offers.

Any team is 'in trouble' if they have  3rd string player getting many playoff minutes.   If that is happening, then that means you are down a top rotation guy.   And a 3rd stringer, whether he is a point guard or a "3pt shooting specialist" isn't going to save the playoffs for you.

[mmmmm]

If you ask me, Wanamaker is a good role player during the regular season. Having said that, I'd rather give his minutes to Kemba-Smart come playoff time.

This.

He works as a regular season 11 or 12 guy. Solid, some warts, cheap.
Would be exposed in a playoff series.

This just isn't true. Brad is our 7th ranked player in order of minutes played. He's not an 11th or 12th man. Not for this team and not based on his overall production.

He's solidly in the 7 to 9 range and that's where he's going to be in the playoffs too. The bulk of the minutes are going to be to the top 6 of course when it is a largely 8 man rotation.

Well, his minute totals have definitely fluctuated based on the health/absence of Kemba & Smart (& to a lesser extent Jaylen).

In games when Kemba, Smart & Jaylen have all been healthy, Brad's minutes have gone way down.   In a playoff rotation, we want those guys to all be healthy and thus Brad getting only blowout time minutes.   That's not a negative reflection on him, of course.   Just the nature of his role.

[jay]

As things stand right now, I would argue he's our 9th guy.

1-5 (in random order): Kemba, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Smart
6: Theis
7: Kanter
8: Grant
9: Wanamaker
10: Semi

Possibly even 8th over Grant.

So who is likely to get playoff minutes?  8 guys plus Wanamaker getting spot minutes? Semi or Time Lord only if someone is in foul trouble?  I don't really see Green or Langford getting in unless Brad is wanting to see if one could provide a spark.