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Re: John Collins...... Is there anyway to pry him from Atlanta?
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2019, 01:21:57 AM »

Offline shut_the_gate

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John Collins, is overrated...he isn't a true rim protecter and his over defence is poor

The best player on the Hawks is Kevin Heurter, he's the one worth trading for...but why would a early rebuilding team give up any of its assets?
Lol, Kevin Huerter is a far worse prospect than both Collins and Young. Hell, he was even worse than Prince

'Huerter’s +8.4 on/off is in the 90th percentile. His presence considerably affects the team’s points per possession as well, which is +6.3 with Huerter on the court (88th percentile) – good enough for second on the team again.

BBall Index also has a vast array of net rating metrics, and his net rating according to the site is +7.5 – the highest on the team, even ahead of Collins. However, where he truly shines is the site’s interesting NET metric, which multiplies a player’s offensive and defensive net rating by the number of possessions for each, then divides them by 100 and adds them together.

Now, I know that might sound confusing and too numerical, but let’s just say it’s worth it. In that metric, Huerter scores a +224.4 – good enough for 26th in the entire NBA and ahead of all manner of superstars, All-Stars and big-name players such as Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving, Nikola Jokic, Karl-Anthony Towns, Kemba Walker, Bradley Beal, Donovan Mitchell and, yes, even LeBron James.'

watch games properly not just highlights or do some research before lol'ing

Re: John Collins...... Is there anyway to pry him from Atlanta?
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2019, 04:17:21 AM »

Offline Rhyso

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John Collins, is overrated...he isn't a true rim protecter and his over defence is poor

The best player on the Hawks is Kevin Heurter, he's the one worth trading for...but why would a early rebuilding team give up any of its assets?
Lol, Kevin Huerter is a far worse prospect than both Collins and Young. Hell, he was even worse than Prince

'Huerter’s +8.4 on/off is in the 90th percentile. His presence considerably affects the team’s points per possession as well, which is +6.3 with Huerter on the court (88th percentile) – good enough for second on the team again.

BBall Index also has a vast array of net rating metrics, and his net rating according to the site is +7.5 – the highest on the team, even ahead of Collins. However, where he truly shines is the site’s interesting NET metric, which multiplies a player’s offensive and defensive net rating by the number of possessions for each, then divides them by 100 and adds them together.

Now, I know that might sound confusing and too numerical, but let’s just say it’s worth it. In that metric, Huerter scores a +224.4 – good enough for 26th in the entire NBA and ahead of all manner of superstars, All-Stars and big-name players such as Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving, Nikola Jokic, Karl-Anthony Towns, Kemba Walker, Bradley Beal, Donovan Mitchell and, yes, even LeBron James.'

watch games properly not just highlights or do some research before lol'ing

Wait, did you just quote a bunch of random advanced stats, then say watch the games first? Now I'm lol'ing. I think saying Collins is a better prospect is not outlandish to say the least.

Re: John Collins...... Is there anyway to pry him from Atlanta?
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2019, 04:40:51 AM »

Offline gouki88

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John Collins, is overrated...he isn't a true rim protecter and his over defence is poor

The best player on the Hawks is Kevin Heurter, he's the one worth trading for...but why would a early rebuilding team give up any of its assets?
Lol, Kevin Huerter is a far worse prospect than both Collins and Young. Hell, he was even worse than Prince

'Huerter’s +8.4 on/off is in the 90th percentile. His presence considerably affects the team’s points per possession as well, which is +6.3 with Huerter on the court (88th percentile) – good enough for second on the team again.

BBall Index also has a vast array of net rating metrics, and his net rating according to the site is +7.5 – the highest on the team, even ahead of Collins. However, where he truly shines is the site’s interesting NET metric, which multiplies a player’s offensive and defensive net rating by the number of possessions for each, then divides them by 100 and adds them together.

Now, I know that might sound confusing and too numerical, but let’s just say it’s worth it. In that metric, Huerter scores a +224.4 – good enough for 26th in the entire NBA and ahead of all manner of superstars, All-Stars and big-name players such as Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving, Nikola Jokic, Karl-Anthony Towns, Kemba Walker, Bradley Beal, Donovan Mitchell and, yes, even LeBron James.'

watch games properly not just highlights or do some research before lol'ing
Rofl, yeah alright. Forgive me if I ignore your completely meaningless advanced metrics because you think Huerter is ahead of Trae Young and John Collins, two double-double machines.

Is Kevin Huerter the 26th most impactful player in the league? No, and he isn't even close. So stop right there with those nonsense numbers as if they actually mean anything.

Huerter might one day be a Mike Miller type player. John Collins and Trae Young are already almost walking double-doubles while scoring over double the amount per game that Huerter does.

Hilarious that you're even trying to argue otherwise
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