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Who is more important for the Celtics - Horford or Smart?

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Who is more important for the Celtics - Horford or Smart?
« on: February 15, 2018, 11:53:19 AM »

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I would keep Smart over Horford. ... Especially witnessing the horror show that is going on the defensive end

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Re: Who is more important for the Celtics - Horford or Smart?
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Re: Who is more important for the Celtics - Horford or Smart?
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An all-star big man vital on both ends, or a backup guard who only plays effectively on one side of the ball?


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Re: Who is more important for the Celtics - Horford or Smart?
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2018, 12:00:46 PM »

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I believe the salaries reflect relative value, in this case.

Re: Who is more important for the Celtics - Horford or Smart?
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2018, 12:03:07 PM »

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I would keep Smart over Horford. ... Especially witnessing the horror show that is going on the defensive end

Just zero fight

This thread is a horror show.
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Re: Who is more important for the Celtics - Horford or Smart?
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2018, 12:05:11 PM »

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Horford.

Re: Who is more important for the Celtics - Horford or Smart?
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2018, 12:07:35 PM »

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C'mon? Seriously?

Let's remove bias from the equation here.   ::)


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Re: Who is more important for the Celtics - Horford or Smart?
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2018, 12:19:04 PM »

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C'mon? Seriously?

Let's remove bias from the equation here.   ::)

You think with Smart this team gives up 120-130 pts per game?

I thought Horford was like a defensive anchor?

He is no all star. He is an overpaid ineffective player. Plays with no passion, pride

Once Smart returns lets see if we lose 120-130

Disgusting

Re: Who is more important for the Celtics - Horford or Smart?
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2018, 12:22:33 PM »

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C'mon? Seriously?

Let's remove bias from the equation here.   ::)

You think with Smart this team gives up 120-130 pts per game?

I thought Horford was like a defensive anchor?

He is no all star. He is an overpaid ineffective player. Plays with no passion, pride

Once Smart returns lets see if we lose 120-130

Disgusting

This might be in your top 5 hottest (albeit, wrong) takes on these boards which is saying something.

Like I said before, remove your bias from things.  Ineffective, my butt.   You don't even need to dive into analytics to see how off base that is.  Eye test alone will refute that.


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Re: Who is more important for the Celtics - Horford or Smart?
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2018, 12:27:10 PM »

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C'mon? Seriously?

Let's remove bias from the equation here.   ::)

You think with Smart this team gives up 120-130 pts per game?

I thought Horford was like a defensive anchor?

He is no all star. He is an overpaid ineffective player. Plays with no passion, pride

Once Smart returns lets see if we lose 120-130

Disgusting

This might be in your top 5 hottest (albeit, wrong) takes on these boards which is saying something.

Like I said before, remove your bias from things.  Ineffective, my butt.   You don't even need to dive into analytics to see how off base that is.  Eye test alone will refute that.

Eye test?

Tell me how many pts the team has given up in the last 4-5 games or so

You liking what you see?? Giving up 120-130 pts is sickening

Horford might as well sit on the bench. Thats how open the lane is.  He doesnt box out with effort when its called for. Doesnt take a charge....

Just oh well guys, whatever

Smart cant return soon enough. Lets see with Smart back , how many pts this team gives up.  Lets see what your "eyes" tells us then


Re: Who is more important for the Celtics - Horford or Smart?
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2018, 12:27:12 PM »

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Re: Who is more important for the Celtics - Horford or Smart?
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2018, 12:31:11 PM »

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C'mon? Seriously?

Let's remove bias from the equation here.   ::)

You think with Smart this team gives up 120-130 pts per game?

I thought Horford was like a defensive anchor?

He is no all star. He is an overpaid ineffective player. Plays with no passion, pride

Once Smart returns lets see if we lose 120-130

Disgusting

This might be in your top 5 hottest (albeit, wrong) takes on these boards which is saying something.

Like I said before, remove your bias from things.  Ineffective, my butt.   You don't even need to dive into analytics to see how off base that is.  Eye test alone will refute that.

Eye test?

Tell me how many pts the team has given up in the last 4-5 games or so

You liking what you see?? Giving up 120-130 pts is sickening

Horford might as well sit on the bench. Thats how open the lane is.  He doesnt box out with effort when its called for. Doesnt take a charge....

Just oh well guys, whatever

Smart cant return soon enough. Lets see with Smart back , how many pts this team gives up.  Lets see what your "eyes" tells us then

Without Horford, I think we would give up over 130 points...

I don't get your point.

Are you implying Smart is more important than Horford?

That is just not true... Horford and Smart are both needed to help our defensive efforts.

So why not both?
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Re: Who is more important for the Celtics - Horford or Smart?
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2018, 12:34:35 PM »

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C'mon? Seriously?

Let's remove bias from the equation here.   ::)

You think with Smart this team gives up 120-130 pts per game?

I thought Horford was like a defensive anchor?

He is no all star. He is an overpaid ineffective player. Plays with no passion, pride

Once Smart returns lets see if we lose 120-130

Disgusting

This might be in your top 5 hottest (albeit, wrong) takes on these boards which is saying something.

Like I said before, remove your bias from things.  Ineffective, my butt.   You don't even need to dive into analytics to see how off base that is.  Eye test alone will refute that.

Eye test?

Tell me how many pts the team has given up in the last 4-5 games or so

You liking what you see?? Giving up 120-130 pts is sickening

Horford might as well sit on the bench. Thats how open the lane is.  He doesnt box out with effort when its called for. Doesnt take a charge....

Just oh well guys, whatever

Smart cant return soon enough. Lets see with Smart back , how many pts this team gives up.  Lets see what your "eyes" tells us then

It's all on Horford how this team has performed the past 4-5 games?  The laziness with the passing, the miscues on the team (not Al, but team) defense, poor shot selection, the inability to finish around the rim, inability to defend the pick & roll, passing up easy shots to kick it back outside, too heavy a reliance on shots behind, etc....?  That's all on Horford, huh?

You're searching for a singular scapegoat when the reality is that this team (yes, team) has been letting itself down with poor play for the past couple of weeks. 

You're also using an insanely small sample size to continue to grind your ax against Horford.


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Re: Who is more important for the Celtics - Horford or Smart?
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2018, 12:37:52 PM »

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Re: Who is more important for the Celtics - Horford or Smart?
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2018, 01:09:29 PM »

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I think Horford is clearly more important than Smart, but taking salaries into account and who might be the replacement for Horford, I don't think triboy is so far off. Whether you like Smart or not, he obviously has an impact on our defensive unit as a whole.

There was a poll a few weeks ago about who we thought was the best defensive player on the Cs. At the time, I felt the answer was Horford, but I would like to change my answer to Smart. Positional defense is important, but the way Smart plays defense is uplifting to the whole team.

I have enjoyed watching Horford play and I still want to see him play with Hayward, but I will survive if he is included in a deal for Davis.