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Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1380 on: November 30, 2018, 07:34:53 AM »

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Which team is actually  interested in Fultz???

Phoenix

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/markelle-fultz-trade-rumors-suns-interested-in-former-no-1-pick-76ers-need-him-to-be-truthful-about-shooting-issues/

That is a hail mairy, not interest. Nobody is trading for him unless PHI makes it very sweet which in this case becomes the biggest asset of the trade.

Okafor at least at his second year played 22mpg getting 12p. Fultz today for whatever reason is not a basketball player
Okafor's offensive stats were padded by being on a bad team.  Okafor was also one of the worst defensive players in the league which is a horrible attribute for a center.  He was also a bad rebounder and as I've already said his offense would have been good 20 years ago not in modern basketball.

Player A:  21GP, 22.4mpg, 8.2pts (37.0, 35.1, 70.8), 3.9 reb, 2.0 ast, .2 blk, .7 stl 
Player B:  19GP, 22.5mpg, 8.2pts (41.9, 28.6, 56.8), 3.7 reb, 3.1 ast, .3 blk, .9 stl 
Player C:  50GP, 22.7mpg, 11.9pts (51.4, 0.0, 67.1), 4.8 reb, 1.2 ast, 1.0 blk, .4 stl

Rozier is player A, Fultz is player B, Okafor (2nd season) is player C. 

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1381 on: November 30, 2018, 05:48:47 PM »

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Markelle Fultz will continue to see medical specialists about his right shoulder next week.

Fultz is searching for solutions that have included several rounds of examinations in recent days.

The Philadelphia 76ers will wait until those appointments are complete before they decide his next steps on a return to the team.

Fultz's teammates are increasingly concerned about his overall well-being beyond his struggles on the court.

Fultz has lost the ability to carry out and follow through on long jump shots, and there has been internal and external debate about how much of this perplexing circumstance is physical versus mental.

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1382 on: November 30, 2018, 05:59:14 PM »

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Trade him for ariza and be fine with it

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1383 on: November 30, 2018, 06:11:17 PM »

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Which team is actually  interested in Fultz???

Phoenix

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/markelle-fultz-trade-rumors-suns-interested-in-former-no-1-pick-76ers-need-him-to-be-truthful-about-shooting-issues/

That is a hail mairy, not interest. Nobody is trading for him unless PHI makes it very sweet which in this case becomes the biggest asset of the trade.

Okafor at least at his second year played 22mpg getting 12p. Fultz today for whatever reason is not a basketball player
Okafor's offensive stats were padded by being on a bad team.  Okafor was also one of the worst defensive players in the league which is a horrible attribute for a center.  He was also a bad rebounder and as I've already said his offense would have been good 20 years ago not in modern basketball.



An argument can be made that in a time where spacing and shooting is at a premium, having a shooting disaster at guard like Fultz is an even worse fit for the modern game. If he was as talented as another non-shooter like Simmons, which he’s not, then you just surround him with shooters and go that route. Since he’s not, it just compounds the program. At this point, it’s much more likely that in 5 years he’s completely out of the league than it him living up to his draft selection.

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1384 on: November 30, 2018, 06:12:38 PM »

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Trade him for ariza and be fine with it
Ariza is making 15M so Fultz by himself isn't a salary match and Ariza can't be traded until Jan 15.  In all likelihood, the Suns will buyout Ariza so there is no reason to trade Fultz for him. 

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1385 on: November 30, 2018, 07:42:33 PM »

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Which team is actually  interested in Fultz???

Phoenix

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/markelle-fultz-trade-rumors-suns-interested-in-former-no-1-pick-76ers-need-him-to-be-truthful-about-shooting-issues/

That is a hail mairy, not interest. Nobody is trading for him unless PHI makes it very sweet which in this case becomes the biggest asset of the trade.

Okafor at least at his second year played 22mpg getting 12p. Fultz today for whatever reason is not a basketball player
Okafor's offensive stats were padded by being on a bad team.  Okafor was also one of the worst defensive players in the league which is a horrible attribute for a center.  He was also a bad rebounder and as I've already said his offense would have been good 20 years ago not in modern basketball.



An argument can be made that in a time where spacing and shooting is at a premium, having a shooting disaster at guard like Fultz is an even worse fit for the modern game. If he was as talented as another non-shooter like Simmons, which he’s not, then you just surround him with shooters and go that route. Since he’s not, it just compounds the program. At this point, it’s much more likely that in 5 years he’s completely out of the league than it him living up to his draft selection.
Not a very good argument.  Fultz hasn't even played 40 games yet.  There are plenty of poor shooting guards in the league.  As I posted, his numbers are similar to Rozier and overall Fultz is a much better talent.  If Fultz can get over this shoulder injury/mental block, he can have a NBA career even with relatively poor shooting albeit not to the level that you'd want a #1 pick to perform. 

Okafor has shown with 3 teams and 3+ seasons that he's not an NBA level player.  Horrible defender, poor shooter with no range, poor rebounder, only able to play center and he hasn't made any improvements to his game.  His best net rating has been a horrid -13. 

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1386 on: November 30, 2018, 07:49:04 PM »

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Markelle Fultz will continue to see medical specialists about his right shoulder next week.

Fultz is searching for solutions that have included several rounds of examinations in recent days.

The Philadelphia 76ers will wait until those appointments are complete before they decide his next steps on a return to the team.

Fultz's teammates are increasingly concerned about his overall well-being beyond his struggles on the court.

Fultz has lost the ability to carry out and follow through on long jump shots, and there has been internal and external debate about how much of this perplexing circumstance is physical versus mental.

Honestly I feel like this should just be copied and pasted on a weekly basis these days  :P

I mean we've heard this same thing over the last few months, just all worded differently.
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Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1387 on: November 30, 2018, 09:21:56 PM »

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Which team is actually  interested in Fultz???

Phoenix

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/markelle-fultz-trade-rumors-suns-interested-in-former-no-1-pick-76ers-need-him-to-be-truthful-about-shooting-issues/

That is a hail mairy, not interest. Nobody is trading for him unless PHI makes it very sweet which in this case becomes the biggest asset of the trade.

Okafor at least at his second year played 22mpg getting 12p. Fultz today for whatever reason is not a basketball player
Okafor's offensive stats were padded by being on a bad team.  Okafor was also one of the worst defensive players in the league which is a horrible attribute for a center.  He was also a bad rebounder and as I've already said his offense would have been good 20 years ago not in modern basketball.



An argument can be made that in a time where spacing and shooting is at a premium, having a shooting disaster at guard like Fultz is an even worse fit for the modern game. If he was as talented as another non-shooter like Simmons, which he’s not, then you just surround him with shooters and go that route. Since he’s not, it just compounds the program. At this point, it’s much more likely that in 5 years he’s completely out of the league than it him living up to his draft selection.
Not a very good argument.  Fultz hasn't even played 40 games yet.  There are plenty of poor shooting guards in the league.  As I posted, his numbers are similar to Rozier and overall Fultz is a much better talent.  If Fultz can get over this shoulder injury/mental block, he can have a NBA career even with relatively poor shooting albeit not to the level that you'd want a #1 pick to perform. 

Okafor has shown with 3 teams and 3+ seasons that he's not an NBA level player.  Horrible defender, poor shooter with no range, poor rebounder, only able to play center and he hasn't made any improvements to his game.  His best net rating has been a horrid -13.
But if he doesn't get over them, he won't see more than a vet min contract after he is off him rookie contract.

Eddie is right. It's one thing to have a big who doesn't shoot well but can rebound, set picks, protect the rim or score inside and it's completely another to have a guard that can't shoot and isn't dominant at another guard skill like defense or running an offense or passing. If Smart or Roberson weren't dominating defensive players, they probably are on vet min contracts at the end of some team's bench or playing overseas. Rubio is lucky he could run an offense and pass because otherwise, he would never have made it that long after coming over from Europe.

Fultz gotta show he can shoot and score or show he is an amazing defender or a guy who can pass and initiate the offense, or else, he is gone.

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1388 on: November 30, 2018, 09:30:46 PM »

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Which team is actually  interested in Fultz???

Phoenix

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/markelle-fultz-trade-rumors-suns-interested-in-former-no-1-pick-76ers-need-him-to-be-truthful-about-shooting-issues/

That is a hail mairy, not interest. Nobody is trading for him unless PHI makes it very sweet which in this case becomes the biggest asset of the trade.

Okafor at least at his second year played 22mpg getting 12p. Fultz today for whatever reason is not a basketball player
Okafor's offensive stats were padded by being on a bad team.  Okafor was also one of the worst defensive players in the league which is a horrible attribute for a center.  He was also a bad rebounder and as I've already said his offense would have been good 20 years ago not in modern basketball.



An argument can be made that in a time where spacing and shooting is at a premium, having a shooting disaster at guard like Fultz is an even worse fit for the modern game. If he was as talented as another non-shooter like Simmons, which he’s not, then you just surround him with shooters and go that route. Since he’s not, it just compounds the program. At this point, it’s much more likely that in 5 years he’s completely out of the league than it him living up to his draft selection.
Not a very good argument.  Fultz hasn't even played 40 games yet.  There are plenty of poor shooting guards in the league.  As I posted, his numbers are similar to Rozier and overall Fultz is a much better talent.  If Fultz can get over this shoulder injury/mental block, he can have a NBA career even with relatively poor shooting albeit not to the level that you'd want a #1 pick to perform. 

Okafor has shown with 3 teams and 3+ seasons that he's not an NBA level player.  Horrible defender, poor shooter with no range, poor rebounder, only able to play center and he hasn't made any improvements to his game.  His best net rating has been a horrid -13.
But if he doesn't get over them, he won't see more than a vet min contract after he is off him rookie contract.

Eddie is right. It's one thing to have a big who doesn't shoot well but can rebound, set picks, protect the rim or score inside and it's completely another to have a guard that can't shoot and isn't dominant at another guard skill like defense or running an offense or passing. If Smart or Roberson weren't dominating defensive players, they probably are on vet min contracts at the end of some team's bench or playing overseas. Rubio is lucky he could run an offense and pass because otherwise, he would never have made it that long after coming over from Europe.

Fultz gotta show he can shoot and score or show he is an amazing defender or a guy who can pass and initiate the offense, or else, he is gone.
That's not what Eddie said.  Eddie said Fultz was a worse fit for the modern game than Okafor. 
That's nuts.  Okafor can't shoot, can't defend, can't rebound. 

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1389 on: November 30, 2018, 09:48:36 PM »

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Which team is actually  interested in Fultz???

Phoenix

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/markelle-fultz-trade-rumors-suns-interested-in-former-no-1-pick-76ers-need-him-to-be-truthful-about-shooting-issues/

That is a hail mairy, not interest. Nobody is trading for him unless PHI makes it very sweet which in this case becomes the biggest asset of the trade.

Okafor at least at his second year played 22mpg getting 12p. Fultz today for whatever reason is not a basketball player
Okafor's offensive stats were padded by being on a bad team.  Okafor was also one of the worst defensive players in the league which is a horrible attribute for a center.  He was also a bad rebounder and as I've already said his offense would have been good 20 years ago not in modern basketball.



An argument can be made that in a time where spacing and shooting is at a premium, having a shooting disaster at guard like Fultz is an even worse fit for the modern game. If he was as talented as another non-shooter like Simmons, which he’s not, then you just surround him with shooters and go that route. Since he’s not, it just compounds the program. At this point, it’s much more likely that in 5 years he’s completely out of the league than it him living up to his draft selection.
Not a very good argument.  Fultz hasn't even played 40 games yet.  There are plenty of poor shooting guards in the league.  As I posted, his numbers are similar to Rozier and overall Fultz is a much better talent.  If Fultz can get over this shoulder injury/mental block, he can have a NBA career even with relatively poor shooting albeit not to the level that you'd want a #1 pick to perform. 

Okafor has shown with 3 teams and 3+ seasons that he's not an NBA level player.  Horrible defender, poor shooter with no range, poor rebounder, only able to play center and he hasn't made any improvements to his game.  His best net rating has been a horrid -13.
But if he doesn't get over them, he won't see more than a vet min contract after he is off him rookie contract.

Eddie is right. It's one thing to have a big who doesn't shoot well but can rebound, set picks, protect the rim or score inside and it's completely another to have a guard that can't shoot and isn't dominant at another guard skill like defense or running an offense or passing. If Smart or Roberson weren't dominating defensive players, they probably are on vet min contracts at the end of some team's bench or playing overseas. Rubio is lucky he could run an offense and pass because otherwise, he would never have made it that long after coming over from Europe.

Fultz gotta show he can shoot and score or show he is an amazing defender or a guy who can pass and initiate the offense, or else, he is gone.
That's not what Eddie said.  Eddie said Fultz was a worse fit for the modern game than Okafor. 
That's nuts.  Okafor can't shoot, can't defend, can't rebound.
On an individual basis, neither is a fit for the modern game if Fultz can't shoot. Now ask me if I would rather have a big that has a good post game but can't defend, rebound or shoot from outside or a guard that can' t hit a shot other than a layup, has a completely broken shooting form, has never shown to be adept at defense, isn't a great creator of offense other than for himself and is just a very good rebounder for his size, and I will take that big every time. So I guess I still agree with Eddie.

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1390 on: November 30, 2018, 10:08:23 PM »

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Which team is actually  interested in Fultz???

Phoenix

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/markelle-fultz-trade-rumors-suns-interested-in-former-no-1-pick-76ers-need-him-to-be-truthful-about-shooting-issues/

That is a hail mairy, not interest. Nobody is trading for him unless PHI makes it very sweet which in this case becomes the biggest asset of the trade.

Okafor at least at his second year played 22mpg getting 12p. Fultz today for whatever reason is not a basketball player
Okafor's offensive stats were padded by being on a bad team.  Okafor was also one of the worst defensive players in the league which is a horrible attribute for a center.  He was also a bad rebounder and as I've already said his offense would have been good 20 years ago not in modern basketball.



An argument can be made that in a time where spacing and shooting is at a premium, having a shooting disaster at guard like Fultz is an even worse fit for the modern game. If he was as talented as another non-shooter like Simmons, which he’s not, then you just surround him with shooters and go that route. Since he’s not, it just compounds the program. At this point, it’s much more likely that in 5 years he’s completely out of the league than it him living up to his draft selection.
Not a very good argument.  Fultz hasn't even played 40 games yet.  There are plenty of poor shooting guards in the league.  As I posted, his numbers are similar to Rozier and overall Fultz is a much better talent.  If Fultz can get over this shoulder injury/mental block, he can have a NBA career even with relatively poor shooting albeit not to the level that you'd want a #1 pick to perform. 

Okafor has shown with 3 teams and 3+ seasons that he's not an NBA level player.  Horrible defender, poor shooter with no range, poor rebounder, only able to play center and he hasn't made any improvements to his game.  His best net rating has been a horrid -13.
But if he doesn't get over them, he won't see more than a vet min contract after he is off him rookie contract.

Eddie is right. It's one thing to have a big who doesn't shoot well but can rebound, set picks, protect the rim or score inside and it's completely another to have a guard that can't shoot and isn't dominant at another guard skill like defense or running an offense or passing. If Smart or Roberson weren't dominating defensive players, they probably are on vet min contracts at the end of some team's bench or playing overseas. Rubio is lucky he could run an offense and pass because otherwise, he would never have made it that long after coming over from Europe.

Fultz gotta show he can shoot and score or show he is an amazing defender or a guy who can pass and initiate the offense, or else, he is gone.
That's not what Eddie said.  Eddie said Fultz was a worse fit for the modern game than Okafor. 
That's nuts.  Okafor can't shoot, can't defend, can't rebound.
On an individual basis, neither is a fit for the modern game if Fultz can't shoot. Now ask me if I would rather have a big that has a good post game but can't defend, rebound or shoot from outside or a guard that can' t hit a shot other than a layup, has a completely broken shooting form, has never shown to be adept at defense, isn't a great creator of offense other than for himself and is just a very good rebounder for his size, and I will take that big every time. So I guess I still agree with Eddie.
Fultz went #1 because of his all around game not just his shooting.  Even his defense while weak was said to have potential.  He's not Rondo but he can certainly create for others.  He's actually pretty good in the pick and roll.  He's been inconsistent on defense but he has shown the potential and effort at times.  His defensive rating is 102.2 which isn't bad.  If Fultz gets his injury/mental block resolved, he can be a below average shooter and have an NBA career.  Now it would have to be on a different team since he's got to develop into a better shooter to coexist with Simmons.   

Okafor is just dreadful.  His offensive rating is 96.2 and his defensive rating is 112.7.  You can work around Fultz's deficiencies to some extent.  There is no way to work around Okafor. 
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Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1391 on: November 30, 2018, 10:43:40 PM »

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Which team is actually  interested in Fultz???

Phoenix

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/markelle-fultz-trade-rumors-suns-interested-in-former-no-1-pick-76ers-need-him-to-be-truthful-about-shooting-issues/

That is a hail mairy, not interest. Nobody is trading for him unless PHI makes it very sweet which in this case becomes the biggest asset of the trade.

Okafor at least at his second year played 22mpg getting 12p. Fultz today for whatever reason is not a basketball player
Okafor's offensive stats were padded by being on a bad team.  Okafor was also one of the worst defensive players in the league which is a horrible attribute for a center.  He was also a bad rebounder and as I've already said his offense would have been good 20 years ago not in modern basketball.



An argument can be made that in a time where spacing and shooting is at a premium, having a shooting disaster at guard like Fultz is an even worse fit for the modern game. If he was as talented as another non-shooter like Simmons, which he’s not, then you just surround him with shooters and go that route. Since he’s not, it just compounds the program. At this point, it’s much more likely that in 5 years he’s completely out of the league than it him living up to his draft selection.
Not a very good argument.  Fultz hasn't even played 40 games yet.  There are plenty of poor shooting guards in the league.  As I posted, his numbers are similar to Rozier and overall Fultz is a much better talent.  If Fultz can get over this shoulder injury/mental block, he can have a NBA career even with relatively poor shooting albeit not to the level that you'd want a #1 pick to perform. 

Okafor has shown with 3 teams and 3+ seasons that he's not an NBA level player.  Horrible defender, poor shooter with no range, poor rebounder, only able to play center and he hasn't made any improvements to his game.  His best net rating has been a horrid -13.
But if he doesn't get over them, he won't see more than a vet min contract after he is off him rookie contract.

Eddie is right. It's one thing to have a big who doesn't shoot well but can rebound, set picks, protect the rim or score inside and it's completely another to have a guard that can't shoot and isn't dominant at another guard skill like defense or running an offense or passing. If Smart or Roberson weren't dominating defensive players, they probably are on vet min contracts at the end of some team's bench or playing overseas. Rubio is lucky he could run an offense and pass because otherwise, he would never have made it that long after coming over from Europe.

Fultz gotta show he can shoot and score or show he is an amazing defender or a guy who can pass and initiate the offense, or else, he is gone.
That's not what Eddie said.  Eddie said Fultz was a worse fit for the modern game than Okafor. 
That's nuts.  Okafor can't shoot, can't defend, can't rebound.
On an individual basis, neither is a fit for the modern game if Fultz can't shoot. Now ask me if I would rather have a big that has a good post game but can't defend, rebound or shoot from outside or a guard that can' t hit a shot other than a layup, has a completely broken shooting form, has never shown to be adept at defense, isn't a great creator of offense other than for himself and is just a very good rebounder for his size, and I will take that big every time. So I guess I still agree with Eddie.
Fultz went #1 because of his all around game not just his shooting.  Even his defense while weak was said to have potential.  He's not Rondo but he can certainly create for others.  He's actually pretty good in the pick and roll.  He's been inconsistent on defense but he has shown the potential and effort at times.  His defensive rating is 102.2 which isn't bad.  If Fultz gets his injury/mental block resolved, he can be a below average shooter and have an NBA career.  Now it would have to be on a different team since he's got to develop into a better shooter to coexist with Simmons.   

Okafor is just dreadful.  His offensive rating is 96.2 and his defensive rating is 112.7.  You can work around Fultz's deficiencies to some extent.  There is no way to work around Okafor.
Yeah, I think you are looking at Fultz with your usual red, white and blue tinted glasses when it comes to Fultz, so I will just respectfully agree to disagree with your assessment on Fultz and leave it at that.

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1392 on: November 30, 2018, 11:01:31 PM »

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for all the talk of the sixers "process" they certainly have botched several top picks. Fultz, okafor, noel, carter-williams....

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1393 on: December 01, 2018, 03:34:01 AM »

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Which team is actually  interested in Fultz???

Phoenix

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/markelle-fultz-trade-rumors-suns-interested-in-former-no-1-pick-76ers-need-him-to-be-truthful-about-shooting-issues/

That is a hail mairy, not interest. Nobody is trading for him unless PHI makes it very sweet which in this case becomes the biggest asset of the trade.

Okafor at least at his second year played 22mpg getting 12p. Fultz today for whatever reason is not a basketball player
Okafor's offensive stats were padded by being on a bad team.  Okafor was also one of the worst defensive players in the league which is a horrible attribute for a center.  He was also a bad rebounder and as I've already said his offense would have been good 20 years ago not in modern basketball.



An argument can be made that in a time where spacing and shooting is at a premium, having a shooting disaster at guard like Fultz is an even worse fit for the modern game. If he was as talented as another non-shooter like Simmons, which he’s not, then you just surround him with shooters and go that route. Since he’s not, it just compounds the program. At this point, it’s much more likely that in 5 years he’s completely out of the league than it him living up to his draft selection.
Not a very good argument.  Fultz hasn't even played 40 games yet.  There are plenty of poor shooting guards in the league.  As I posted, his numbers are similar to Rozier and overall Fultz is a much better talent.  If Fultz can get over this shoulder injury/mental block, he can have a NBA career even with relatively poor shooting albeit not to the level that you'd want a #1 pick to perform. 

Okafor has shown with 3 teams and 3+ seasons that he's not an NBA level player.  Horrible defender, poor shooter with no range, poor rebounder, only able to play center and he hasn't made any improvements to his game.  His best net rating has been a horrid -13.

Fultz TODAY  is not just shooting poorly. He plain cannot shoot at all. Rondo compared to him is Ray Allen (😜)

I'd much rather give 15m to Roziet than trade for Fultz and hope for a miracle.

I hope the kids recovers because he doesnt deserve this but he is damaged goods at this point.

Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1394 on: December 01, 2018, 05:28:42 PM »

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Which team is actually  interested in Fultz???

Phoenix

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/markelle-fultz-trade-rumors-suns-interested-in-former-no-1-pick-76ers-need-him-to-be-truthful-about-shooting-issues/

That is a hail mairy, not interest. Nobody is trading for him unless PHI makes it very sweet which in this case becomes the biggest asset of the trade.

Okafor at least at his second year played 22mpg getting 12p. Fultz today for whatever reason is not a basketball player
Okafor's offensive stats were padded by being on a bad team.  Okafor was also one of the worst defensive players in the league which is a horrible attribute for a center.  He was also a bad rebounder and as I've already said his offense would have been good 20 years ago not in modern basketball.



An argument can be made that in a time where spacing and shooting is at a premium, having a shooting disaster at guard like Fultz is an even worse fit for the modern game. If he was as talented as another non-shooter like Simmons, which he’s not, then you just surround him with shooters and go that route. Since he’s not, it just compounds the program. At this point, it’s much more likely that in 5 years he’s completely out of the league than it him living up to his draft selection.
Not a very good argument.  Fultz hasn't even played 40 games yet.  There are plenty of poor shooting guards in the league.  As I posted, his numbers are similar to Rozier and overall Fultz is a much better talent.  If Fultz can get over this shoulder injury/mental block, he can have a NBA career even with relatively poor shooting albeit not to the level that you'd want a #1 pick to perform. 

Okafor has shown with 3 teams and 3+ seasons that he's not an NBA level player.  Horrible defender, poor shooter with no range, poor rebounder, only able to play center and he hasn't made any improvements to his game.  His best net rating has been a horrid -13.
But if he doesn't get over them, he won't see more than a vet min contract after he is off him rookie contract.

Eddie is right. It's one thing to have a big who doesn't shoot well but can rebound, set picks, protect the rim or score inside and it's completely another to have a guard that can't shoot and isn't dominant at another guard skill like defense or running an offense or passing. If Smart or Roberson weren't dominating defensive players, they probably are on vet min contracts at the end of some team's bench or playing overseas. Rubio is lucky he could run an offense and pass because otherwise, he would never have made it that long after coming over from Europe.

Fultz gotta show he can shoot and score or show he is an amazing defender or a guy who can pass and initiate the offense, or else, he is gone.
That's not what Eddie said.  Eddie said Fultz was a worse fit for the modern game than Okafor. 
That's nuts.  Okafor can't shoot, can't defend, can't rebound.
On an individual basis, neither is a fit for the modern game if Fultz can't shoot. Now ask me if I would rather have a big that has a good post game but can't defend, rebound or shoot from outside or a guard that can' t hit a shot other than a layup, has a completely broken shooting form, has never shown to be adept at defense, isn't a great creator of offense other than for himself and is just a very good rebounder for his size, and I will take that big every time. So I guess I still agree with Eddie.
Fultz went #1 because of his all around game not just his shooting.  Even his defense while weak was said to have potential.  He's not Rondo but he can certainly create for others.  He's actually pretty good in the pick and roll.  He's been inconsistent on defense but he has shown the potential and effort at times.  His defensive rating is 102.2 which isn't bad.  If Fultz gets his injury/mental block resolved, he can be a below average shooter and have an NBA career.  Now it would have to be on a different team since he's got to develop into a better shooter to coexist with Simmons.   

Okafor is just dreadful.  His offensive rating is 96.2 and his defensive rating is 112.7.  You can work around Fultz's deficiencies to some extent.  There is no way to work around Okafor.

It's hilarious how you seem to chalk up his mental issues as if he was dealing with a gimpy ankle or something minor. Is there any example throughout professional sports of a player dealing with yips and overcoming them to become the player they were? And what is that for Fultz anyways? He played in a non-winning and non-pressure environment in college where he could've just been a good college player getting stats on a bad team. Sure he shot decently in from the field, but his free throw shooting of 64.9 is horrendous for a guard and scouts say that free throw shooting is a good indicator of what type of shooter that player will be. Fultz also had a few games in college where his FT shooting were giving clues as to his lack of mental toughness. Games where he shot 4 for 9 and 0 for 4 really stick out. That 0 for 4 was part of a 4 game span where he shot 6 for 17, he also shot 19 for 36 to finish his college career from the FT line.