Star Wars: Episode IX

[kraidstar]

I'm fortunate that, like the widespread critical consensus, I thought "Last Jedi" was absolutely brilliant.  That just magnifies my hype for this movie even more.  I feel bad for fans who hated it and will be going into this one wading through salt.

  Some really shady stuff was going on with the critics with something in the 90’s for Rotten Tomatoes and like 45 percent of the audience liked it. That RT score stuff has been revealed to be not super reliable.

 
   I only hated some parts of the Last Jedi but they were big parts. I’m definitely going to see it but I’m gonna wait because I don’t want to hurt the viewing experience for a few of my friends that DID like it. I had friends that ruined Man of Steel and BVS for me. I loved them and not everyone has to like what I do but out of respect for others people really shouldn’t crap on stuff out loud non stop when someone else is just enjoying the experience. Sci fi, fantasy, comic book movie fans are the worst at this. Bunch of babies.

Or maybe people didn’t like it, it’s not a big conspiracy.

  Oh, I think most people DIDN’T like it. What I think is fishy is that nearly every single critic DID.

Agree, although this is the case with everything Disney does now. All their movies get a review boost. I saw "Dumbo" the other day and it was literally one of the worst films I've watched. My GF and I were both shocked at how bad it was. And it still got 47% on RT and 51% on Metacritic.

Anything vaguely decent from them gets 80%+ on RT. It is crazy.

[kraidstar]

I'm fortunate that, like the widespread critical consensus, I thought "Last Jedi" was absolutely brilliant.  That just magnifies my hype for this movie even more.  I feel bad for fans who hated it and will be going into this one wading through salt.

I didn’t like The Last Jedi. I thought not killing Leia was stupid. I thought purple haired lady was annoying and hated her role. I hate that they built up snoke and then killed him in such a dumb way and I hate that this new trilogy(not so much TLJ) has completely trivialized the lightsaber which was the coolest ****ing weapon ever but now is just so mediocre.

I also hated the totally pointless casino planet scene and the intro scene where the 1st order was portrayed as incompetent

I had low expectations coming into TLJ and because of that enjoyed it. It wasn’t till I watched it a 2nd time that I realized I really disliked the movie.

All that said, the new Star Wars movies have been aesthetically brilliant and Rogue one is the best Star Wars movie of the 10 so far by a long shot in my opinion. Hopefully 9 is good.

I’m honestly more excited for the Kenobi series and think the Mandelorian and that other series (Caspian?) will be good too

Loved Rogue One, thought Solo was decent. I'm also hopeful for the various TV series. But I'll be shocked if Ep 9 is any good.

JJ Abrams is the biggest conman in the business. Aside from "Super 8," his writing/directing track record is a disaster.

Anything he has direct control of turns into badly-acted, incoherent gibberish.

I love Star Trek and Star Wars, both series have tons of heart. But when I watch his adaptions I don't FEEL anything.

His works are lifeless shells. Take the shiny coat off the exterior and there is nothing inside.

[CelticsElite]

You don’t have Luke have a lightsaber duel. EVERYONE wanted this. EVERYONE. But haha surprise!!! Subverted expectations. Training unnecessary. What a disaster.

Maybe my favorite thing about TLJ is how Luke went out. Saving your friends by passively and nonviolently using your enemy's anger against him by making him attack a literal phantom is exactly how a Jedi should "fight".  Much truer to what Jedi are supposed to be than Yoda doing 800 flips in a row while waving a laser sword. Best Jedi death since Obi-Wan.

It's kinda interesting how there's a split here between people saying the sequels have too much fan service and those saying it didn't have enough.

The biggest fan service I would've liked was having Han, Luke, & Leia together at some point. JJ killed that idea right off the bat in Force Awakens.  It sucked.  You have this sequel trilogy and you don't even bring the three of of them together once. Not once. 

There's always Force ghosts.

But also remember Harrison Ford only came back if they'd kill off Han - he was never doing 3 more movies - so it's not entirely Abrams' fault.

I really hope Kylo doesn't find redemption either.  He did Han.  You shouldn't be allowed to bounce back from that.

I mean Vader blew up an entire planet, we just weren't emotionally attached to any of them.

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Well technically the planet had Leias family, such as bail organa so we are attached in that sense

[dannyboy35]

   There’s so many ways this story could go. I don’t think for a second that Rey will be evil. Some people would have a fit if they made the female hero bad. They’d take it as some master evil plan to keep women down and probably cause a boycott and call everybody sexist.  Not happening.
  I think a vision makes little sense because it involves this random unique jackknife lightsaber none of the characters have seen before.
  I don’t think Palpatine ever shows up in the flesh despite them saying so. Why would they use a cartoon looking toy in the poster if they had a pic of him from the movie?
   The emperor created Anakin. For what purpose? To create a perfect apprentice that is just gonna eventually kill him? That doesn’t make sense. I’m thinking Palpatine created him to eventually possess his body. Anakin got charred so that went down the tubes. So he has to get a new body. Maybe he hoped that would be Luke but he couldn’t turn him? Latched on to Snoke somehow?? I dunno. I’m really reaching here.
   I don’t LIKE this idea but maybe he went the clone route and tried  cloning a bunch of Jedi he could get his hands on like the body of Qui Gon, Anakin, Mace Windu, Dooku, Maul, Luke’s hand. I can’t figure out the evil Rey thing but I gotta figure she’s a clone or offspring of one? Maybe he’s been able to clone but hasn’t been able to get a clone with the force??
   I had an idea that I thought would be interesting. That when unmasked all the Knights looked like Rey or they look like other clones of past Jedi but none have the force.
  Crazy ideas. Just thinking out loud.

[CelticsElite]

   There’s so many ways this story could go. I don’t think for a second that Rey will be evil. Some people would have a fit if they made the female hero bad. They’d take it as some master evil plan to keep women down and probably cause a boycott and call everybody sexist.  Not happening.
  I think a vision makes little sense because it involves this random unique jackknife lightsaber none of the characters have seen before.
  I don’t think Palpatine ever shows up in the flesh despite them saying so. Why would they use a cartoon looking toy in the poster if they had a pic of him from the movie?
   The emperor created Anakin. For what purpose? To create a perfect apprentice that is just gonna eventually kill him? That doesn’t make sense. I’m thinking Palpatine created him to eventually possess his body. Anakin got charred so that went down the tubes. So he has to get a new body. Maybe he hoped that would be Luke but he couldn’t turn him? Latched on to Snoke somehow?? I dunno. I’m really reaching here.
   I don’t LIKE this idea but maybe he went the clone route and tried  cloning a bunch of Jedi he could get his hands on like the body of Qui Gon, Anakin, Mace Windu, Dooku, Maul, Luke’s hand. I can’t figure out the evil Rey thing but I gotta figure she’s a clone or offspring of one? Maybe he’s been able to clone but hasn’t been able to get a clone with the force??
   I had an idea that I thought would be interesting. That when unmasked all the Knights looked like Rey or they look like other clones of past Jedi but none have the force.
  Crazy ideas. Just thinking out loud.

regardless if palpatine shows up in the flesh or not, when on earth would using a toy ever be a good idea for the poster? It makes zero sense. It screams novice designer who no one could say no to

[fairweatherfan]

I really hope Kylo doesn't find redemption either.  He did Han.  You shouldn't be allowed to bounce back from that.

I mean Vader blew up an entire planet, we just weren't emotionally attached to any of them.

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Well technically the planet had Leias family, such as bail organa so we are attached in that sense

The only character to die on Alderaan who appeared on screen was Bail Organa and that was just in the prequels 20 years later. I'm not even sure if his name is spoken in the original trilogy. It was just a statistic at that point in time.

That reminds me though - remember the scene in ROTJ where Leia talks to Luke about remembering their mother? Also wiped out by the prequels, now I guess it's just Bail Organa's wife? But why did she still think that was Vader's baby mama too?

[dannyboy35]

   There’s so many ways this story could go. I don’t think for a second that Rey will be evil. Some people would have a fit if they made the female hero bad. They’d take it as some master evil plan to keep women down and probably cause a boycott and call everybody sexist.  Not happening.
  I think a vision makes little sense because it involves this random unique jackknife lightsaber none of the characters have seen before.
  I don’t think Palpatine ever shows up in the flesh despite them saying so. Why would they use a cartoon looking toy in the poster if they had a pic of him from the movie?
   The emperor created Anakin. For what purpose? To create a perfect apprentice that is just gonna eventually kill him? That doesn’t make sense. I’m thinking Palpatine created him to eventually possess his body. Anakin got charred so that went down the tubes. So he has to get a new body. Maybe he hoped that would be Luke but he couldn’t turn him? Latched on to Snoke somehow?? I dunno. I’m really reaching here.
   I don’t LIKE this idea but maybe he went the clone route and tried  cloning a bunch of Jedi he could get his hands on like the body of Qui Gon, Anakin, Mace Windu, Dooku, Maul, Luke’s hand. I can’t figure out the evil Rey thing but I gotta figure she’s a clone or offspring of one? Maybe he’s been able to clone but hasn’t been able to get a clone with the force??
   I had an idea that I thought would be interesting. That when unmasked all the Knights looked like Rey or they look like other clones of past Jedi but none have the force.
  Crazy ideas. Just thinking out loud.

regardless if palpatine shows up in the flesh or not, when on earth would using a toy ever be a good idea for the poster? It makes zero sense. It screams novice designer who no one could say no to

     I have no good answer to that question. My GUESS was it was some weird contractual thing. My guess is if he showed up they would use his picture. If there was a little difference in his appearance they could still use a prequel or Jedi picture. The only other reason is some form of laziness I guess? Or maybe they just thought a cartoon was more in line with Disney Star Wars? I’m really at a loss.
   In the grand scheme it’s just a poster but it’s just sooo strange. Any diehard fan is looking at that and thinking “ why would they do that?” There ARE Star Wars junkies who work there. Where are the people saying “ ooh, I don’t think we should use a toy image.”
   But they wanted to kill the past, let it die. Move on from the characters we cared about and introduce ones with really no character arc. Finn’s character was there for an animal rights subplot with Rose who was just horrid. Way to much ideology in the Last Jedi.
  All the male characters were emasculated to prop up the female characters. I’m all for equality. But terrible execution.

[fairweatherfan]

I really hope Kylo doesn't find redemption either.  He did Han.  You shouldn't be allowed to bounce back from that.

I mean Vader blew up an entire planet, we just weren't emotionally attached to any of them.

A major theme of the series is no one is irredeemable or incorruptible (with maybe the exception of the Emperor+Yoda) so I wouldn't be surprised. I just hope if it does happen it's more of a Vader redemption through death than getting a truly happy ending.

How would people feel about this: At the last second Kylo helps Rey defeat the resurrected Emperor or whoever. He weeps for what he's become and Rey gives him a big speech about how people can move from dark to light just as surely as the other way around.

Kylo begins talking about how he needs to dedicate his life to righting his wrongs and that needs to start with Rey, when suddenly there's a flash and a big smoking hole appears in his chest. Smash cut to Chewbacca lowering his bowcaster and giving a loud Wookie roar, then hurling Han's dice into Kylo's forehead, knocking him to the ground dead. Credits.

[Donoghus]

I really hope Kylo doesn't find redemption either.  He did Han.  You shouldn't be allowed to bounce back from that.

I mean Vader blew up an entire planet, we just weren't emotionally attached to any of them.

A major theme of the series is no one is irredeemable or incorruptible (with maybe the exception of the Emperor+Yoda) so I wouldn't be surprised. I just hope if it does happen it's more of a Vader redemption through death than getting a truly happy ending.

How would people feel about this: At the last second Kylo helps Rey defeat the resurrected Emperor or whoever. He weeps for what he's become and Rey gives him a big speech about how people can move from dark to light just as surely as the other way around.

Kylo begins talking about how he needs to dedicate his life to righting his wrongs and that needs to start with Rey, when suddenly there's a flash and a big smoking hole appears in his chest. Smash cut to Chewbacca lowering his bowcaster and giving a loud Wookie roar, then hurling Han's dice into Kylo's forehead, knocking him to the ground dead. Credits.

I could get behind this.... 

[Fafnir]

Given the climax of the original Star Wars trilogy was a redemption arc, I'll be shocked if Kylo isn't given one in this movie.

Especially given how they've shown him to be conflicted in the first two movies.

[dannyboy35]

I really hope Kylo doesn't find redemption either.  He did Han.  You shouldn't be allowed to bounce back from that.

I mean Vader blew up an entire planet, we just weren't emotionally attached to any of them.

A major theme of the series is no one is irredeemable or incorruptible (with maybe the exception of the Emperor+Yoda) so I wouldn't be surprised. I just hope if it does happen it's more of a Vader redemption through death than getting a truly happy ending.

How would people feel about this: At the last second Kylo helps Rey defeat the resurrected Emperor or whoever. He weeps for what he's become and Rey gives him a big speech about how people can move from dark to light just as surely as the other way around.

Kylo begins talking about how he needs to dedicate his life to righting his wrongs and that needs to start with Rey, when suddenly there's a flash and a big smoking hole appears in his chest. Smash cut to Chewbacca lowering his bowcaster and giving a loud Wookie roar, then hurling Han's dice into Kylo's forehead, knocking him to the ground dead. Credits.

  Ha! That was funny. If the Emperor is back then Anakin has to be the one to defeat him to keep ROTJ intact. If I was writing this I’d have Luke’s role to be to now bring his father’s soul peace by breaking the  hybrid ghost.” The Vader ghost has been haunting Kylo literally. Maybe the emperor ( devil) has had control over Vader ghost. If it’s some kind of haunting then maybe a Kylo redemption is ok. But I’d have him leave the known galaxy and start over in the “ unknown regions” if that’s the case.

[dannyboy35]

There’s too many holes in it now but Kylo going under cover to defeat the Emperor would have been cool too. It would have been a rip off of “ Dark Empire” but JJ isn’t exactly against rip offs.

[dannyboy35]

You don’t have Luke have a lightsaber duel. EVERYONE wanted this. EVERYONE. But haha surprise!!! Subverted expectations. Training unnecessary. What a disaster.

Maybe my favorite thing about TLJ is how Luke went out. Saving your friends by passively and nonviolently using your enemy's anger against him by making him attack a literal phantom is exactly how a Jedi should "fight".  Much truer to what Jedi are supposed to be than Yoda doing 800 flips in a row while waving a laser sword. Best Jedi death since Obi-Wan.

It's kinda interesting how there's a split here between people saying the sequels have too much fan service and those saying it didn't have enough.

   I can appreciate that point of view but fighting is going to be necessary so I’d prefer someone that would fight for others, even at the expense of his own “ soul” if you will, in order to save them. If this was a different kind of movie where Luke could inspire both sides to stop fighting i get that angle.

[dannyboy35]

I'm fortunate that, like the widespread critical consensus, I thought "Last Jedi" was absolutely brilliant.  That just magnifies my hype for this movie even more.  I feel bad for fans who hated it and will be going into this one wading through salt.

  Some really shady stuff was going on with the critics with something in the 90’s for Rotten Tomatoes and like 45 percent of the audience liked it. That RT score stuff has been revealed to be not super reliable.

 
   I only hated some parts of the Last Jedi but they were big parts. I’m definitely going to see it but I’m gonna wait because I don’t want to hurt the viewing experience for a few of my friends that DID like it. I had friends that ruined Man of Steel and BVS for me. I loved them and not everyone has to like what I do but out of respect for others people really shouldn’t crap on stuff out loud non stop when someone else is just enjoying the experience. Sci fi, fantasy, comic book movie fans are the worst at this. Bunch of babies.

Or maybe people didn’t like it, it’s not a big conspiracy.

  Oh, I think most people DIDN’T like it. What I think is fishy is that nearly every single critic DID.

Agree, although this is the case with everything Disney does now. All their movies get a review boost. I saw "Dumbo" the other day and it was literally one of the worst films I've watched. My GF and I were both shocked at how bad it was. And it still got 47% on RT and 51% on Metacritic.

Anything vaguely decent from them gets 80%+ on RT. It is crazy.

  Captain Marvel. Thank you veeeery much. Lol

[Celtics4ever]

I am just going to the movie to watch it and that is what I did the last one, correspondingly I like it because you guys are falling into the theory trap and when it does not go your way you'll be bummed out again.