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Title: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Rick Robeys Return on December 30, 2016, 05:20:26 PM
So Zizic played his first game for David Blatt and Darussafaka tonight. I didnt watch but the line seems alright.

http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=118&seasoncode=E2016

TOMIC, ANTE   25:16   16pts on 8/8,  2 Boards, 5 assists

And the highest Performance Index Rating (whatever that measures?!) at 23

Looking forward to the Tomasz Kordylewski youtube highlights post!

Edit: See below: Tomic and Zizic are different players. -RH
Title: Re: OFFICIAL ANTE ZIZIC DARUSSAFAKA THREAD
Post by: Rick Robeys Return on December 30, 2016, 05:22:51 PM
p.s. Im assuming that the box score reference to Ante Tomic is supposed to be Zizic, since there is no Tomic on Darussafaka
Title: Re: OFFICIAL ANTE ZIZIC DARUSSAFAKA THREAD
Post by: Bostoncelticsforlife7 on December 30, 2016, 05:23:26 PM
Wow that's very impressive. He went 8/8 in 25 minutes!
Title: Re: OFFICIAL ANTE ZIZIC DARUSSAFAKA THREAD
Post by: Phantom255x on December 30, 2016, 05:24:31 PM
Ante Tomic is the other team lol. That's the wrong line.

Ante Tomic plays for FC Barcelona Lassa, the team Darussafaka were playing.
Title: Re: OFFICIAL ANTE ZIZIC DARUSSAFAKA THREAD
Post by: Phantom255x on December 30, 2016, 05:25:28 PM
UPDATE: Ante Zizic had 4 points on 2/4 shooting and 6 total rebounds in 16 minutes.

OP, you read the wrong line. Ante Tomic is a real player playing for FC Barcelona Lassa. Ante Zizic's opponent.

Scroll down the box score a bit more.
Title: Re: OFFICIAL ANTE ZIZIC DARUSSAFAKA THREAD
Post by: Ilikesports17 on December 30, 2016, 05:27:11 PM
SIGN ANTE TOMIC!
Title: Re: OFFICIAL ANTE ZIZIC DARUSSAFAKA THREAD
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on December 30, 2016, 05:29:12 PM
Lol hopefully that's first game play. Come on Anti be a steal for us, we need bigs!!
Title: Re: OFFICIAL ANTE ZIZIC DARUSSAFAKA THREAD
Post by: Androslav on December 30, 2016, 05:30:00 PM
The next step is to beat out Erden for the starting job.
Not that easy conaidering he is a veteran player and a Turk, but thats the next thing.
Go Ante go!
Title: Re: OFFICIAL ANTE ZIZIC DARUSSAFAKA THREAD
Post by: Phantom255x on December 30, 2016, 05:31:29 PM
Guys, that stat line is NOT for Ante Zizic.

It's for a player on the other team (FC Barcelona Lassa) by the name of Ante Tomic.

Darussafaka were playing FC Barcelona Lassa.

Zizic actually had 4 points on 2/4 shooting and 6 rebounds in 16 minutes of action.
Title: Re: OFFICIAL ANTE ZIZIC DARUSSAFAKA THREAD
Post by: saltlover on December 30, 2016, 05:32:55 PM
The next step is to beat out Erden for the starting job.
Not that easy conaidering he is a veteran player and a Turk, but thats the next thing.
Go Ante go!

Erden has been a Turkish League All-Star 3 of the last 4 seasons.  I'm not going to be disappointed in Zizic if that doesn't happen (and I frankly don't expect it has a chance to happen.)
Title: Re: OFFICIAL ANTE ZIZIC DARUSSAFAKA THREAD
Post by: Androslav on December 30, 2016, 05:34:09 PM
SIGN ANTE TOMIC!
Ante is a skilled post passer and is a good Euro level PNR finisher but soft and has poor balance. He was NBA material 5+ years ago.
Title: Re: OFFICIAL ANTE ZIZIC DARUSSAFAKA THREAD
Post by: Androslav on December 30, 2016, 05:44:54 PM
The next step is to beat out Erden for the starting job.
Not that easy conaidering he is a veteran player and a Turk, but thats the next thing.
Go Ante go!

Erden has been a Turkish League All-Star 3 of the last 4 seasons.  I'm not going to be disappointed in Zizic if that doesn't happen (and I frankly don't expect it has a chance to happen.)
Im just rooting hard for him. My boy.
I do believe that his skillset is sort of plug and play. Rebounding very often translates well. Especialy if a guy has good lenght, which he has with 7'3" wingspan. And his next best skill is finishing around the rim as a roller or on putbacks. Thats also easily translatable imo.
Title: Re: OFFICIAL ANTE ZIZIC DARUSSAFAKA THREAD
Post by: saltlover on December 30, 2016, 05:57:58 PM
The next step is to beat out Erden for the starting job.
Not that easy conaidering he is a veteran player and a Turk, but thats the next thing.
Go Ante go!

Erden has been a Turkish League All-Star 3 of the last 4 seasons.  I'm not going to be disappointed in Zizic if that doesn't happen (and I frankly don't expect it has a chance to happen.)
Im just rooting hard for him. My boy.
I do believe that his skillset is sort of plug and play. Rebounding very often translates well. Especialy if a guy has good lenght, which he has with 7'3" wingspan. And his next best skill is finishing around the rim as a roller or on putbacks. Thats also easily translatable imo.

Oh, I agree.  I'm quite excited for him, and think he'll translate well to the NBA in a couple of years.  I just don't want to set expectations of him that he can't meet, and thus leaves me disappointed.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: positivitize on December 30, 2016, 05:59:29 PM
He also had 2 steals and 2 blocks.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Bostoncelticsforlife7 on December 30, 2016, 06:06:20 PM
4 points, 6 rebounds, 2 steals, and 2 blocks while shooting 50% in 16 mins is still really good for his first game
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: JumpingJudkins on December 30, 2016, 06:06:58 PM
A Luke Harangody sighting!
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 30, 2016, 07:07:28 PM
A general Zizic value question:

Zizic is a 19 year-old #23 pick in last year's draft who's already dominated in his first Euro stint this year (about to see soon if he can be effective with his new club).  Is it safe to assume that Zizic would be a lottery pick in this year's draft -- even with the strength of this draft a lot higher than last year's?

If so, why do trade proposals here never include Zizic?  I realize that everyone likes him and thinks/hopes he could be the center of the future here, but isn't his worth equivalent to the Brooklyn '17 and '18 picks?   Or maybe even more valuable than Nets picks given his performance against professionals in Europe (probably needless to say -- I know nothing about the comparative strength of the league he just succeeded in to NCAA Division 1)? 

If Zizic's value right now is actually equivalent to the Brooklyn picks, why aren't we talking about Zizic, Brooklyn '18, AJ, (one of) AB/Smart/Crowder, and Brown for Cousins (for example)?   I don't really care about Cousins -- the point I am making is, why is Zizic almost never calculated in the trade asset equation in trade ideas here?   If I am off on this, please explain why either of the Brooklyn picks are more valuable than Zizic?
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on December 30, 2016, 07:11:08 PM
Zizic was the 23rd pick in a ****ty draft. His value is that of perhaps a late first rounder

Brooklyn 17 and 18? Absurd.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: hpantazo on December 30, 2016, 07:15:09 PM
Zizic was the 23rd pick in a ****ty draft. His value is that of perhaps a late first rounder

Brooklyn 17 and 18? Absurd.

Yeah thats the way I see it too. He's shown some good signs in weak leagues, and he did ok tonight, but as we said, Semih Erden is an all-star in that league and Zizic is his backup. I'm optimistic he will be a useful young big man who can do one thing very well that we need, rebounding, but he is nowhere near as valuable as a Nets pick this year or next, especially not this year in such a deep draft at the top.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: droopdog7 on December 30, 2016, 07:32:52 PM
A general Zizic value question:

Zizic is a 19 year-old #23 pick in last year's draft who's already dominated in his first Euro stint this year (about to see soon if he can be effective with his new club).  Is it safe to assume that Zizic would be a lottery pick in this year's draft -- even with the strength of this draft a lot higher than last year's?

If so, why do trade proposals here never include Zizic?  I realize that everyone likes him and thinks/hopes he could be the center of the future here, but isn't his worth equivalent to the Brooklyn '17 and '18 picks?   Or maybe even more valuable than Nets picks given his performance against professionals in Europe (probably needless to say -- I know nothing about the comparative strength of the league he just succeeded in to NCAA Division 1)? 

If Zizic's value right now is actually equivalent to the Brooklyn picks, why aren't we talking about Zizic, Brooklyn '18, AJ, (one of) AB/Smart/Crowder, and Brown for Cousins (for example)?   I don't really care about Cousins -- the point I am making is, why is Zizic almost never calculated in the trade asset equation in trade ideas here?   If I am off on this, please explain why either of the Brooklyn picks are more valuable than Zizic?
Ask yourself one question.  Would you rather give up a Brooklyn pick (say 2017) or zizic?  If that's easy for you to answer, then that will you will have your answer on relative value.

Hint: for me that's a really easy question to answer.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 30, 2016, 07:38:52 PM
Zizic was the 23rd pick in a ****ty draft. His value is that of perhaps a late first rounder

Brooklyn 17 and 18? Absurd.

Yeah thats the way I see it too. He's shown some good signs in weak leagues, and he did ok tonight, but as we said, Semih Erden is an all-star in that league and Zizic is his backup. I'm optimistic he will be a useful young big man who can do one thing very well that we need, rebounding, but he is nowhere near as valuable as a Nets pick this year or next, especially not this year in such a deep draft at the top.

So -- I was asking a question out of ignorance, so of course there is the possibility of it being absurd. I wasn't saying that I know Zizic to be equivalent to a Brooklyn pick, but was just wondering if perhaps he is, and if not, why not.   There is a group of freshmen in college that people are drooling over in 2017 and a group of promising seniors in high school people are hopeful for in 2018.  So just wonder where does a strong, active 19yo with a long wing-span who averaged 20/10 in Europe stands in comparison to these freshmen in college and seniors in HS?   You both think it's an absurd comparison -- I believe you because I assume you know more than I do about this.   With that said, I suspect there's a decent chance that a 30 yo Semih Erden would be doing quite well as a Division 1 NCAA center right now.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: hpantazo on December 30, 2016, 07:45:31 PM
Zizic was the 23rd pick in a ****ty draft. His value is that of perhaps a late first rounder

Brooklyn 17 and 18? Absurd.

Yeah thats the way I see it too. He's shown some good signs in weak leagues, and he did ok tonight, but as we said, Semih Erden is an all-star in that league and Zizic is his backup. I'm optimistic he will be a useful young big man who can do one thing very well that we need, rebounding, but he is nowhere near as valuable as a Nets pick this year or next, especially not this year in such a deep draft at the top.

So -- I was asking a question out of ignorance, so of course there is the possibility of it being absurd. I wasn't saying that I know Zizic to be equivalent to a Brooklyn pick, but was just wondering if perhaps he is, and if not, why not.   There is a group of freshmen in college that people are drooling over in 2017 and a group of promising seniors in high school people are hopeful for in 2018.  So just wonder where does a strong, active 19yo with a long wing-span who averaged 20/10 in Europe stands in comparison to these freshmen in college and seniors in HS?   You both think it's an absurd comparison -- I believe you because I assume you know more than I do about this.   With that said, I suspect there's a decent chance that a 30 yo Semih Erden would be doing quite well as a Division 1 NCAA center right now.

It's a reasonable question, I'm glad someone asked it. I like Zizic, I think he will do well one day here, but if we are talking about perceived value for trades, I dont think anything comes close to our Nets picks, especially the one in the 2017 draft. Zizic wasnt even Ainge's first choice apparently, and was taken for his draft and stash ability considering the abundance of picks we had and lack of roster space. Juancho Hernangomez was Ainge's 1st choice, the Nuggets took him like they took Nurkic right before we drafted Young, so Ainge's 2nd draft and stash choice was Yabusele. Zizic was his 3rd choice if we believe these reports. I'm glad he looks good so far, but putting up numbers in these leagues won't really change his perceived trade value around the league, and the lottery talent in this draft is super hyped.
Title: Re: OFFICIAL ANTE ZIZIC DARUSSAFAKA THREAD
Post by: OldSchoolDude on December 30, 2016, 07:48:00 PM
Guys, that stat line is NOT for Ante Zizic.

It's for a player on the other team (FC Barcelona Lassa) by the name of Ante Tomic.

Darussafaka were playing FC Barcelona Lassa.

Zizic actually had 4 points on 2/4 shooting and 6 rebounds in 16 minutes of action.

He was 2/3 not 2/4, so thats a bit better.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: OldSchoolDude on December 30, 2016, 07:57:42 PM
In just about 16 1/2 minutes he tied for tops on the team in rebounds.  The guy he tied with played 33 1/2 minutes.  That is a great sign.  Add his two steels and two blocks and he is looking like the defensive presence we need.  I'm highly optimistic but I'm still all in for a trade for any one of the centers we're rumored to be interested in, just no Brooklyn picks please.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: hpantazo on December 30, 2016, 08:09:07 PM
In just about 16 1/2 minutes he tied for tops on the team in rebounds.  The guy he tied with played 33 1/2 minutes.  That is a great sign.  Add his two steels and two blocks and he is looking like the defensive presence we need.  I'm highly optimistic but I'm still all in for a trade for any one of the centers we're rumored to be interested in, just no Brooklyn picks please.

That's what I really like about him so far. The one thing he truly seems to excel in is the one thing we desperately need, rebounding. It's also a skill that generally translates well to the NBA. At this stage in his career though, he'd probably foul out in 10 minutes in an NBA game.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: OldSchoolDude on December 30, 2016, 08:16:52 PM
I was able to find this clip of Zizic getting his first points. 

http://www.eurohoops.net/euroleague/374033/ante-zizics-first-basket-darussafaka

I also found some of the game highlights but they only show Zizic on the court not making any plays.

http://www.eurohoops.net/euroleague/374146/highlights-fc-barcelona-darussafaka-dogus-istanbul
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 30, 2016, 08:22:26 PM
We haven't seen Zizic play an NBA game yet...

But I'm sure he's already WAY better than Olynyk, especially at rebounding.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: cons on December 30, 2016, 08:45:29 PM
Semi erden had a couple good games for us back in the day. Then doc just benched him for no apparent reason.  Hoping zizic doesn't get the same treatment. 
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: flybono on December 30, 2016, 08:49:57 PM
The NFL scouts would call this player a JAG

To d@mn slow for an NBA big. Backup maybe, starting  caliber?  Your dreaming
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: hpantazo on December 30, 2016, 09:31:36 PM
Semi erden had a couple good games for us back in the day. Then doc just benched him for no apparent reason.  Hoping zizic doesn't get the same treatment.

Well Doc isn't our coach anymore.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: TA9 on December 31, 2016, 09:43:44 AM
He looked a little slow out there against FC Barcelona. But nonetheless he played good defense and rebounded the ball well in the limited minutes that he got.

Still a lot of room for improvement before I see him play significant minutes in the NBA.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: TA9 on December 31, 2016, 09:48:05 AM
Here are the highlights of the game against Barcelona and Ante Zizic's first bucket for his new team ;D!

Game Highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JOvETHhO38

Zizic's first bucket: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWBzLbAzxpk
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Surferdad on December 31, 2016, 09:58:19 AM
I keep watching these Zizic vids whenever they are posted, but all I see is a guy who is physically dominant in his league and can operate within 5 feet of the rim.  Not saying he won't be good, maybe a Mosgov or Gortat type of big man.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Granath on December 31, 2016, 10:06:07 AM
I keep watching these Zizic vids whenever they are posted, but all I see is a guy who is physically dominant in his league and can operate within 5 feet of the rim.  Not saying he won't be good, maybe a Mosgov or Gortat type of big man.

I'm fine with that given where we selected him.

I'm fine with him being a backup big man who can come in, bang, get rebounds and play some defense.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: saltlover on December 31, 2016, 10:07:06 AM
I keep watching these Zizic vids whenever they are posted, but all I see is a guy who is physically dominant in his league and can operate within 5 feet of the rim.  Not saying he won't be good, maybe a Mosgov or Gortat type of big man.

I think a lot of people would love a Gortat on this team.  Hence the excitement.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: rollie mass on December 31, 2016, 10:21:16 AM
zizic shoots well from foul line has nice form -he is just turned 20
gasol is shooting threes ,lopez is shooting threes
blatt will fill him in with whats needed in nba-horford shooting threes
he has a very good motor and likes to rebound
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: mctyson on December 31, 2016, 10:34:33 AM
I keep watching these Zizic vids whenever they are posted, but all I see is a guy who is physically dominant in his league and can operate within 5 feet of the rim.  Not saying he won't be good, maybe a Mosgov or Gortat type of big man.

I think a lot of people would love a Gortat on this team.  Hence the excitement.

Yeah, if he is even 85% of Gortat that would be a steal.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: libermaniac on January 05, 2017, 03:07:11 AM
A Luke Harangody sighting!

Nice!  TP.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: ederson on January 05, 2017, 04:25:53 AM
I keep watching these Zizic vids whenever they are posted, but all I see is a guy who is physically dominant in his league and can operate within 5 feet of the rim.  Not saying he won't be good, maybe a Mosgov or Gortat type of big man.

I think Gortat is his ceiling. Maybe a bit lower but i am certain he can give a nice production coming from the bench. Having said that i don"t see him being a solution to the Cs problems. I think it was a smart move to go play in Turkey. Much stronger league. Now his stats will have some true meaning


BTW the first page of the thread is pretty funny. And disturbing at the same time. How can people have so strong opinions about things they have absolutely no clue ?
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Androslav on January 05, 2017, 05:43:31 AM
I keep watching these Zizic vids whenever they are posted, but all I see is a guy who is physically dominant in his league and can operate within 5 feet of the rim.  Not saying he won't be good, maybe a Mosgov or Gortat type of big man.

I think Gortat is his ceiling. Maybe a bit lower but i am certain he can give a nice production coming from the bench. Having said that i don"t see him being a solution to the Cs problems. I think it was a smart move to go play in Turkey. Much stronger league. Now his stats will have some true meaning


BTW the first page of the thread is pretty funny. And disturbing at the same time. How can people have so strong opinions about things they have absolutely no clue ?

Well, it is hard to tell for any prospect will he reach his ceiling or not, especially at his age. However, I live in Zagreb and I saw him play at least 40 games, some live. I also have some insight of how his brother approaches his mentoring. I value that, Andrija has a good track dating his playing days. I think Turkish league is stronger than ABA, but the difference is not that huge IMO.
I think that Gortat is a fairly adequate comparison. Some things he will do better. I even believe his mental make-up is better.
He has more fight to him and I imagine he would be even stronger in his core and hips. Steven Adams mold is accurate too.
I am not saying that my opinion is worth in gold but however it plays out I will try to root for any Celtic to succeed.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on January 05, 2017, 06:03:38 AM
I keep watching these Zizic vids whenever they are posted, but all I see is a guy who is physically dominant in his league and can operate within 5 feet of the rim.  Not saying he won't be good, maybe a Mosgov or Gortat type of big man.

I think Gortat is his ceiling. Maybe a bit lower but i am certain he can give a nice production coming from the bench. Having said that i don"t see him being a solution to the Cs problems. I think it was a smart move to go play in Turkey. Much stronger league. Now his stats will have some true meaning


BTW the first page of the thread is pretty funny. And disturbing at the same time. How can people have so strong opinions about things they have absolutely no clue ?

Well, it is hard to tell for any prospect will he reach his ceiling or not, especially at his age. However, I live in Zagreb and I saw him play at least 40 games, some live. I also have some insight of how his brother approaches his mentoring. I value that, Andrija has a good track dating his playing days. I think Turkish league is stronger than ABA, but the difference is not that huge IMO.
I think that Gortat is a fairly adequate comparison. Some things he will do better. I even believe his mental make-up is better.
He has more fight to him and I imagine he would be even stronger in his core and hips. Steven Adams mold is accurate too.
I am not saying that my opinion is worth in gold but however it plays out I will try to root for any Celtic to succeed.
Thanks for the info, andro. In the games you have watched, has zizic shown any sort of mid range shooting game?
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Androslav on January 05, 2017, 06:20:31 AM
I keep watching these Zizic vids whenever they are posted, but all I see is a guy who is physically dominant in his league and can operate within 5 feet of the rim.  Not saying he won't be good, maybe a Mosgov or Gortat type of big man.

I think Gortat is his ceiling. Maybe a bit lower but i am certain he can give a nice production coming from the bench. Having said that i don"t see him being a solution to the Cs problems. I think it was a smart move to go play in Turkey. Much stronger league. Now his stats will have some true meaning


BTW the first page of the thread is pretty funny. And disturbing at the same time. How can people have so strong opinions about things they have absolutely no clue ?

Well, it is hard to tell for any prospect will he reach his ceiling or not, especially at his age. However, I live in Zagreb and I saw him play at least 40 games, some live. I also have some insight of how his brother approaches his mentoring. I value that, Andrija has a good track dating his playing days. I think Turkish league is stronger than ABA, but the difference is not that huge IMO.
I think that Gortat is a fairly adequate comparison. Some things he will do better. I even believe his mental make-up is better.
He has more fight to him and I imagine he would be even stronger in his core and hips. Steven Adams mold is accurate too.
I am not saying that my opinion is worth in gold but however it plays out I will try to root for any Celtic to succeed.
Thanks for the info, andro. In the games you have watched, has zizic shown any sort of mid-range shooting game?
His midrange game is not good, a young center like.
Accuracy is fine though, his FTs show that.
His release is really slow (not Amir like but very slow, he won't get that shot of in the NBA unless he improves to 3pt range (slim chance) or gets left wide open (hard to expect that cause at the elbow, 15 feet from the basket is close to almost all defenders)
He knows what he does well and he wastes no time doing it.
If we are expecting some pump fake drive game, we will grow beards waiting for it.

Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: ederson on January 05, 2017, 06:27:05 AM
His mechanics allow some room for optimism I think he can develop a decent 10-15ft shoot

Here imo plays significant role the league. In ABA it was easy for him to push around everyone down low and he didn"t need to improve his range. In Turkey it won't be that easy (and definately not in NBA) and he will have to add some range
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: rickyfan3.0... on January 05, 2017, 08:45:01 AM
Can we trade for Ante Tomic? 😂
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: IDreamCeltics on January 05, 2017, 09:30:34 AM
I keep watching these Zizic vids whenever they are posted, but all I see is a guy who is physically dominant in his league and can operate within 5 feet of the rim.  Not saying he won't be good, maybe a Mosgov or Gortat type of big man.

I think Gortat is his ceiling. Maybe a bit lower but i am certain he can give a nice production coming from the bench. Having said that i don"t see him being a solution to the Cs problems. I think it was a smart move to go play in Turkey. Much stronger league. Now his stats will have some true meaning


BTW the first page of the thread is pretty funny. And disturbing at the same time. How can people have so strong opinions about things they have absolutely no clue ?

Well, it is hard to tell for any prospect will he reach his ceiling or not, especially at his age. However, I live in Zagreb and I saw him play at least 40 games, some live. I also have some insight of how his brother approaches his mentoring. I value that, Andrija has a good track dating his playing days. I think Turkish league is stronger than ABA, but the difference is not that huge IMO.
I think that Gortat is a fairly adequate comparison. Some things he will do better. I even believe his mental make-up is better.
He has more fight to him and I imagine he would be even stronger in his core and hips. Steven Adams mold is accurate too.
I am not saying that my opinion is worth in gold but however it plays out I will try to root for any Celtic to succeed.

TP!  Thanks for posting this!
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: footey on January 05, 2017, 09:34:50 AM
I keep watching these Zizic vids whenever they are posted, but all I see is a guy who is physically dominant in his league and can operate within 5 feet of the rim.  Not saying he won't be good, maybe a Mosgov or Gortat type of big man.

I think Gortat is his ceiling. Maybe a bit lower but i am certain he can give a nice production coming from the bench. Having said that i don"t see him being a solution to the Cs problems. I think it was a smart move to go play in Turkey. Much stronger league. Now his stats will have some true meaning


BTW the first page of the thread is pretty funny. And disturbing at the same time. How can people have so strong opinions about things they have absolutely no clue ?

Well, it is hard to tell for any prospect will he reach his ceiling or not, especially at his age. However, I live in Zagreb and I saw him play at least 40 games, some live. I also have some insight of how his brother approaches his mentoring. I value that, Andrija has a good track dating his playing days. I think Turkish league is stronger than ABA, but the difference is not that huge IMO.
I think that Gortat is a fairly adequate comparison. Some things he will do better. I even believe his mental make-up is better.
He has more fight to him and I imagine he would be even stronger in his core and hips. Steven Adams mold is accurate too.
I am not saying that my opinion is worth in gold but however it plays out I will try to root for any Celtic to succeed.
Thanks for the info, andro. In the games you have watched, has zizic shown any sort of mid-range shooting game?
His midrange game is not good, a young center like.
Accuracy is fine though, his FTs show that.
His release is really slow (not Amir like but very slow, he won't get that shot of in the NBA unless he improves to 3pt range (slim chance) or gets left wide open (hard to expect that cause at the elbow, 15 feet from the basket is close to almost all defenders)
He knows what he does well and he wastes no time doing it.
If we are expecting some pump fake drive game, we will grow beards waiting for it.

TP for the thoughtful scouting report, Androslav.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Evantime34 on January 05, 2017, 10:26:49 AM
I keep watching these Zizic vids whenever they are posted, but all I see is a guy who is physically dominant in his league and can operate within 5 feet of the rim.  Not saying he won't be good, maybe a Mosgov or Gortat type of big man.

I think Gortat is his ceiling. Maybe a bit lower but i am certain he can give a nice production coming from the bench. Having said that i don"t see him being a solution to the Cs problems. I think it was a smart move to go play in Turkey. Much stronger league. Now his stats will have some true meaning


BTW the first page of the thread is pretty funny. And disturbing at the same time. How can people have so strong opinions about things they have absolutely no clue ?

Well, it is hard to tell for any prospect will he reach his ceiling or not, especially at his age. However, I live in Zagreb and I saw him play at least 40 games, some live. I also have some insight of how his brother approaches his mentoring. I value that, Andrija has a good track dating his playing days. I think Turkish league is stronger than ABA, but the difference is not that huge IMO.
I think that Gortat is a fairly adequate comparison. Some things he will do better. I even believe his mental make-up is better.
He has more fight to him and I imagine he would be even stronger in his core and hips. Steven Adams mold is accurate too.
I am not saying that my opinion is worth in gold but however it plays out I will try to root for any Celtic to succeed.
Thanks for the info, andro. In the games you have watched, has zizic shown any sort of mid-range shooting game?
His midrange game is not good, a young center like.
Accuracy is fine though, his FTs show that.
His release is really slow (not Amir like but very slow, he won't get that shot of in the NBA unless he improves to 3pt range (slim chance) or gets left wide open (hard to expect that cause at the elbow, 15 feet from the basket is close to almost all defenders)
He knows what he does well and he wastes no time doing it.
If we are expecting some pump fake drive game, we will grow beards waiting for it.
How is he defending the pick and roll? Is he able to contain a ball handler on the perimeter or is he more of a drop down pick and roll defender?

Is he a high effort, physical defender?

How is his passing?
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: TA9 on January 05, 2017, 10:51:47 AM
He played his first game for Darussafaka in the Turkish league on the 2nd of January.
12 minutes, 4 points, 0-2 FG, 4-4 FT, 4 rebounds and 4 fouls.

Hopefully he will start to gain more minutes in the future.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: apc on January 05, 2017, 01:01:10 PM
Game today vs Maccabi. Could be an interesting match up Zizic- Colton Iverson.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Androslav on January 05, 2017, 01:46:16 PM
I keep watching these Zizic vids whenever they are posted, but all I see is a guy who is physically dominant in his league and can operate within 5 feet of the rim.  Not saying he won't be good, maybe a Mosgov or Gortat type of big man.

I think Gortat is his ceiling. Maybe a bit lower but i am certain he can give a nice production coming from the bench. Having said that i don"t see him being a solution to the Cs problems. I think it was a smart move to go play in Turkey. Much stronger league. Now his stats will have some true meaning


BTW the first page of the thread is pretty funny. And disturbing at the same time. How can people have so strong opinions about things they have absolutely no clue ?

Well, it is hard to tell for any prospect will he reach his ceiling or not, especially at his age. However, I live in Zagreb and I saw him play at least 40 games, some live. I also have some insight of how his brother approaches his mentoring. I value that, Andrija has a good track dating his playing days. I think Turkish league is stronger than ABA, but the difference is not that huge IMO.
I think that Gortat is a fairly adequate comparison. Some things he will do better. I even believe his mental make-up is better.
He has more fight to him and I imagine he would be even stronger in his core and hips. Steven Adams mold is accurate too.
I am not saying that my opinion is worth in gold but however it plays out I will try to root for any Celtic to succeed.
Thanks for the info, andro. In the games you have watched, has zizic shown any sort of mid-range shooting game?
His midrange game is not good, a young center like.
Accuracy is fine though, his FTs show that.
His release is really slow (not Amir like but very slow, he won't get that shot of in the NBA unless he improves to 3pt range (slim chance) or gets left wide open (hard to expect that cause at the elbow, 15 feet from the basket is close to almost all defenders)
He knows what he does well and he wastes no time doing it.
If we are expecting some pump fake drive game, we will grow beards waiting for it.
How is he defending the pick and roll? Is he able to contain a ball handler on the perimeter or is he more of a drop down pick and roll defender?

Is he a high effort, physical defender?

How is his passing?

He is fairly good in PNR situations where he has to contain ballhandlers. He is not affraid to go away from the basket and for a guy his size showns good footspeed and willingness. He also does a nice job avoiding contact that drivers initiate to get separation. Allowing him a fair number of blocks on those plays. NBA ball is different, but the tools and motor are there. He is a really phisical guy, he relishes contact. On Box outs, screens...very willing and strong for such a young player. I think in a few years when he gets that grown mans strenght it will be even more evident. For a 6'11 guy he has long arms 7'3" wingspan and low center of gravity.
Passing is not his  skill. His vision is limited, but he has good hands and is good at handoffs. He doesnt have that much ball in his hands to really develop passing and playmaking.
Without the ball he is effective. It is not like he doesnt show promise on postups. Footwork is good for his age.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: greece66 on January 05, 2017, 03:35:54 PM
So Zizic played his first game for David Blatt and Darussafaka tonight. I didnt watch but the line seems alright.

http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=118&seasoncode=E2016

TOMIC, ANTE   25:16   16pts on 8/8,  2 Boards, 5 assists

And the highest Performance Index Rating (whatever that measures?!) at 23

Looking forward to the Tomasz Kordylewski youtube highlights post!

Edit: See below: Tomic and Zizic are different players. -RH

PIR = ( Points + Rebounds + Assists + Steals + Blocks + Fouls Drawn) - (Missed Field Goals + Missed Free Throws + Turnovers + Shots Rejected + Fouls Committed)

If you are into fantasy games,  PIR is ESPN fpts + Fouls Drawn - ( Shots Rejected + Fouls Committed ).
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: apc on January 05, 2017, 04:04:00 PM
Game today vs Maccabi. Could be an interesting match up Zizic- Colton Iverson.
Good game for Zizic in Euroleague
24 min, 14 points, 6/8, 2/2 FT, 9 Reb- 4 off.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: greece66 on January 05, 2017, 04:16:23 PM
These (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6nN7hrxB3A) are Zizic's highlights  vs Barcelona (December 30 (http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=118)) put together by Tomasz Kordylewski.

Incidentally, the second YT comment by Merlin Calo is misleading. A team can participate in both the Adriatic League and the Euroleague. Cibona was participating in the Euroleague until three seasons ago, and only withdrew due to financial trouble.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: kozlodoev on January 05, 2017, 04:18:56 PM
He knows what he does well and he wastes no time doing it.
This is a pretty important skill and one many young players never develop.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 05, 2017, 04:42:18 PM
Game today vs Maccabi. Could be an interesting match up Zizic- Colton Iverson.
Good game for Zizic in Euroleague
24 min, 14 points, 6/8, 2/2 FT, 9 Reb- 4 off.

That's encouraging at least
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: rollie mass on January 05, 2017, 06:14:24 PM
zizic highlites up -wow, even a 15 footer-google zizic euro league-
this guy likes to hit offensive boards and likes contact
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Boris Badenov on January 05, 2017, 06:27:27 PM
He's playing against guys who are borderline NBA players now, most with a significant edge in age and experience. If he looks good against those guys I think that is a really good sign, given that he just turned 20 yesterday.

Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: mmmmm on January 05, 2017, 06:46:09 PM
Semi erden had a couple good games for us back in the day. Then doc just benched him for no apparent reason.  Hoping zizic doesn't get the same treatment.

Erden had a shoulder injury.  That's why he went from getting an unusual amount of minutes for a rookie to sitting on the bench and then traded.

That year was so frustrating.   We started the season with Perkins injured from the prior Finals so Danny added Shaq and Jermaine as veteran bigs and brought Semih over from being stashed in Europe.   So while both Shaq and Jermaine were older, that still should have given us 3 healthy centers to start the year with Perkins due to come back mid-season.   You'd think that would be enough depth to cover one spot since they were all there to cover the 5 and only the 5.

Shaq started the season playing great alongside KG.  Jermaine of course got hurt.  Then Shaq got hurt.  Semih actually played very well when called upon (appeared in 37 games, starting 7 of them).  Perk got healthy.  Then Perk got hurt again.  And then even Semih got hurt.

All of a sudden, by the Trade Deadline we had NO HEALTHY CENTER on the roster!  (This was before KG moved to the 5).

Danny actually had to sign a D-Leaguer (Chris Johnson) to play the 5 for us for a bit as he made the trade of Perkins & Nate (who was also injured) for Green & Nenad Krstic.   That was also not long after we lost Marquis Daniels so Danny needed a backup 3 as well as a 5.

And then a little later, Danny signed Troy Murphy to add some size off the bench.

All told, the list of centers that appeared on the roster of the 2010-11 Celtics is long:  Shaq, Semih, Nenad, Chris Johnson, Troy Murphy, Jermaine and Perk.    That's 7 guys to cover one position - but they just couldn't stay freaking HEALTHY!!!

Gyaah - that was so frustrating.

And I'm not even including Glen Davis or KG.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: mmmmm on January 05, 2017, 06:53:21 PM
He's playing against guys who are borderline NBA players now, most with a significant edge in age and experience. If he looks good against those guys I think that is a really good sign, given that he just turned 20 yesterday.

Yes, agreed.  And I think the fact that he's going to get half a year of coaching by Blatt is really going to help prepare him for the NBA about as well as one has a right to expect.

He may come to training camp next summer far better prepared to actually contribute than the typical 20 year old rookie.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: mmmmm on January 05, 2017, 06:58:24 PM
zizic highlites up -wow, even a 15 footer-google zizic euro league-
this guy likes to hit offensive boards and likes contact

Here are Zizic's highlights from yesterday's game at Maccabi FOX Tel Aviv (24 minutes, 14 points, 9 rebounds):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4puFT7Fe5c

His team (Darussafaka) is in green & white, naturally.   ;D
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: mctyson on January 05, 2017, 07:06:51 PM
zizic highlites up -wow, even a 15 footer-google zizic euro league-
this guy likes to hit offensive boards and likes contact

Here are Zizic's highlights from yesterday's game at Maccabi FOX Tel Aviv (24 minutes, 14 points, 9 rebounds):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4puFT7Fe5c

His team (Darussafaka) is in green & white, naturally.   ;D

Very exciting that we have a young guy like that stashed overseas.  Loved that up and under move he made.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: greece66 on January 05, 2017, 07:15:08 PM
zizic highlites up -wow, even a 15 footer-google zizic euro league-
this guy likes to hit offensive boards and likes contact

Here are Zizic's highlights from yesterday's game at Maccabi FOX Tel Aviv (24 minutes, 14 points, 9 rebounds):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4puFT7Fe5c

His team (Darussafaka) is in green & white, naturally.   ;D

many thanks for this, appreciated.

PS: the game was on Jan 5 afaik, technically it is still today (depending on your time zone ofc)  8)
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: mmmmm on January 05, 2017, 07:23:31 PM
zizic highlites up -wow, even a 15 footer-google zizic euro league-
this guy likes to hit offensive boards and likes contact

Here are Zizic's highlights from yesterday's game at Maccabi FOX Tel Aviv (24 minutes, 14 points, 9 rebounds):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4puFT7Fe5c

His team (Darussafaka) is in green & white, naturally.   ;D

many thanks for this, appreciated.

PS: the game was on Jan 5 afaik, technically it is still today (depending on your time zone ofc)  8)

LOL! Good point!
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on January 06, 2017, 10:47:45 AM
i was just gonna post this. He even hit a 15 footer in this game.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: tankcity! on January 06, 2017, 01:20:40 PM
zizic highlites up -wow, even a 15 footer-google zizic euro league-
this guy likes to hit offensive boards and likes contact

Here are Zizic's highlights from yesterday's game at Maccabi FOX Tel Aviv (24 minutes, 14 points, 9 rebounds):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4puFT7Fe5c

His team (Darussafaka) is in green & white, naturally.   ;D

Very exciting that we have a young guy like that stashed overseas.  Loved that up and under move he made.

His release doesn't look bad. If he can shoot, could he be like Al Horford?
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on January 06, 2017, 01:24:29 PM
zizic highlites up -wow, even a 15 footer-google zizic euro league-
this guy likes to hit offensive boards and likes contact

Here are Zizic's highlights from yesterday's game at Maccabi FOX Tel Aviv (24 minutes, 14 points, 9 rebounds):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4puFT7Fe5c

His team (Darussafaka) is in green & white, naturally.   ;D

Very exciting that we have a young guy like that stashed overseas.  Loved that up and under move he made.

His release doesn't look bad. If he can shoot, could he be like Al Horford?

It's good, and his free throw percentage is good too. I have hopes that he could be a good mid-range shooter in the next couple years. By his mid-twenties, maybe he could even add range out to the 3.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: saltlover on January 06, 2017, 01:26:34 PM
zizic highlites up -wow, even a 15 footer-google zizic euro league-
this guy likes to hit offensive boards and likes contact

Here are Zizic's highlights from yesterday's game at Maccabi FOX Tel Aviv (24 minutes, 14 points, 9 rebounds):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4puFT7Fe5c

His team (Darussafaka) is in green & white, naturally.   ;D

Very exciting that we have a young guy like that stashed overseas.  Loved that up and under move he made.

His release doesn't look bad. If he can shoot, could he be like Al Horford?

No, I don't see him being like Al Horford.  Al has a very versatile game.  I'm just hoping for Dale Davis with Zizic.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: footey on January 06, 2017, 01:31:28 PM
I've said this several times, but worth repeating: He plays a lot like a young Perk, only a better shooter, especially at the foul line. Both have long arms, low post game, similar gate, and not much lift, but great at boxing out and positioning for rebounds.

I think he would be a an improvement over Amir Johnson in our starting line up right now, although in fairness it is hard to tell given he has not faced NBA players yet.

Really shows a good left hand, and some decent spin moves. Over time he should be able to develop a 3 point shot, in which event he would fit splendidly in Brad's system.

May be the reason Danny is not too anxious to give up a lot of assets for someone like Cousins, knowing that this kid could step in pretty soon as the starting 5.  Maybe I'm over-hyping here, but am quite encouraged by what I have seen.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Ed Hollison on January 06, 2017, 01:33:45 PM
Really excited about what this kid could become. One thing I'm starting to notice is the form on his jumpshot. It's very solid. He just turned 20. Four years from now he could be shooting the 3 while rebounding and banging down low like a maniac.

Also I'm liking the notion of him learning under David Blatt.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: detour on January 08, 2017, 12:09:04 PM
Today Darüşşafaka Doğuş beat Büyükçekmece 97-75. Büyükçekmece is at 10th place out of 16 teams in Turkish League.

Zizic played with 14 points, 6 rebounds, 2 blocks in the first half. He finished with 16p/8r/3b in 27 minutes. He shot 5/7 from 2P, and 6/6 from the line.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Boris Badenov on January 08, 2017, 12:14:44 PM
Today Darüşşafaka Doğuş beat Büyükçekmece 97-75. Büyükçekmece is at 10th place out of 16 teams in Turkish League.

Zizic played with 14 points, 6 rebounds, 2 blocks in the first half. He finished with 16p/8r/3b in 27 minutes. He shot 5/7 from 2P, and 6/6 from the line.

TP for the update.

Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: chilidawg on January 08, 2017, 12:21:13 PM
I've said this several times, but worth repeating: He plays a lot like a young Perk, only a better shooter, especially at the foul line. Both have long arms, low post game, similar gate, and not much lift, but great at boxing out and positioning for rebounds.



I think he moves a little more fluidly than Perk did, but otherwise you're spot on.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Boris Badenov on January 08, 2017, 12:29:46 PM
There was some question about Zizic's minutes given the level of play and the fact that he's backing up an established player in Semih Erden.

12/30/17: Zizic 16m, Erden 22m
1/2/17: Zizc 13m, Erden 24m
1/5/17: Zizic 24m, Erden 10m

1/7/17: unknown, but Erden had 0 points and Zizic had 14/6/2.

Looks like the kid is trending up. Good sign for a young player.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: oldtype on January 08, 2017, 12:45:30 PM
If he can do this at Euroleague/Turkish League level it's hard to see him not being able to at least take over Zeller's minutes next year.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on January 08, 2017, 12:46:50 PM
Impressive. Good to see him succeeding in a decent league under an NBA coach.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: The One on January 08, 2017, 01:15:09 PM
Excellent!  He's going to be a contributor next year...I can feel it in my bones!!   ;D
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: kozlodoev on January 08, 2017, 02:08:51 PM
zizic highlites up -wow, even a 15 footer-google zizic euro league-
this guy likes to hit offensive boards and likes contact

Here are Zizic's highlights from yesterday's game at Maccabi FOX Tel Aviv (24 minutes, 14 points, 9 rebounds):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4puFT7Fe5c

His team (Darussafaka) is in green & white, naturally.   ;D

Very exciting that we have a young guy like that stashed overseas.  Loved that up and under move he made.

His release doesn't look bad. If he can shoot, could he be like Al Horford?

It's good, and his free throw percentage is good too. I have hopes that he could be a good mid-range shooter in the next couple years. By his mid-twenties, maybe he could even add range out to the 3.
Zizic made a jump shot, and folks lost their collective minds. Reminds me of that one time when they put stills of Brady and Tebow's throwing motion on TV to show that "look, they are exactly like mirror images of each other". ::)
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Boris Badenov on January 08, 2017, 02:19:56 PM
zizic highlites up -wow, even a 15 footer-google zizic euro league-
this guy likes to hit offensive boards and likes contact

Here are Zizic's highlights from yesterday's game at Maccabi FOX Tel Aviv (24 minutes, 14 points, 9 rebounds):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4puFT7Fe5c

His team (Darussafaka) is in green & white, naturally.   ;D

Very exciting that we have a young guy like that stashed overseas.  Loved that up and under move he made.

His release doesn't look bad. If he can shoot, could he be like Al Horford?

It's good, and his free throw percentage is good too. I have hopes that he could be a good mid-range shooter in the next couple years. By his mid-twenties, maybe he could even add range out to the 3.
Zizic made a jump shot, and folks lost their collective minds. Reminds me of that one time when they put stills of Brady and Tebow's throwing motion on TV to show that "look, they are exactly like mirror images of each other". ::)

You think "he might get Zeller's minutes" is "losing our minds"? Or "trending up"? Or "good to see him succeeding in a decent league"? Or "hopes that he could be a good mid-range shooter"?

If you are looking for hyperbole, pick up a mirror.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: kozlodoev on January 08, 2017, 02:25:42 PM
You think "he might get Zeller's minutes" is "losing our minds"? Or "trending up"? Or "good to see him succeeding in a decent league"? Or "hopes that he could be a good mid-range shooter"?

If you are looking for hyperbole, pick up a mirror.
I think "can he be like Al Horford" and "three-point shooter by his mid-twenties" is losing one's mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hho51tGRG20

Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: hpantazo on January 08, 2017, 02:28:04 PM
You think "he might get Zeller's minutes" is "losing our minds"? Or "trending up"? Or "good to see him succeeding in a decent league"? Or "hopes that he could be a good mid-range shooter"?

If you are looking for hyperbole, pick up a mirror.
I think "can he be like Al Horford" and "three-point shooter by his mid-twenties" is losing one's mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hho51tGRG20

This I agree with. I think hoping that Zizic becomes a slightly better version of a pre-ACL tear Perkins is what we can reasonably hope for.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: oldtype on January 08, 2017, 02:30:58 PM
At this point I wouldn't fixate on his shooting game at all.  It would be much more beneficial for him to work on his strengths and make them NBA-level rather than trying to add new things which he may or may not be able to do.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: kozlodoev on January 08, 2017, 02:33:55 PM
You think "he might get Zeller's minutes" is "losing our minds"? Or "trending up"? Or "good to see him succeeding in a decent league"? Or "hopes that he could be a good mid-range shooter"?

If you are looking for hyperbole, pick up a mirror.
I think "can he be like Al Horford" and "three-point shooter by his mid-twenties" is losing one's mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hho51tGRG20

This I agree with. I think hoping that Zizic becomes a slightly better version of a pre-ACL tear Perkins is what we can reasonably hope for.
This was more for the "look, Perk made a jump shot" factor. Otherwise, I've pegged my expectations at Vitaly Potapenko (yes, I'm old, now get off my lawn :P).
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: footey on January 08, 2017, 02:35:12 PM
If he can do this at Euroleague/Turkish League level it's hard to see him not being able to at least take over Zeller's minutes next year.

You mean Amir Johnson's.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: oldtype on January 08, 2017, 02:35:58 PM
If he can do this at Euroleague/Turkish League level it's hard to see him not being able to at least take over Zeller's minutes next year.

You mean Amir Johnson's.

Johnson is a starter so that's a bit of a stretch.  If he can do that and not be a liability it's wonderful, of course.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: liam on January 08, 2017, 02:37:22 PM
You think "he might get Zeller's minutes" is "losing our minds"? Or "trending up"? Or "good to see him succeeding in a decent league"? Or "hopes that he could be a good mid-range shooter"?

If you are looking for hyperbole, pick up a mirror.
I think "can he be like Al Horford" and "three-point shooter by his mid-twenties" is losing one's mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hho51tGRG20

This I agree with. I think hoping that Zizic becomes a slightly better version of a pre-ACL tear Perkins is what we can reasonably hope for.
This was more for the "look, Perk made a jump shot" factor. Otherwise, I've pegged my expectations at Vitaly Potapenko (yes, I'm old, now get off my lawn :P).

Would that be a Vitaly that didn't smoke and drink. That would be an excellent player. ( Yes I am old too!)
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: kozlodoev on January 08, 2017, 02:50:03 PM
You think "he might get Zeller's minutes" is "losing our minds"? Or "trending up"? Or "good to see him succeeding in a decent league"? Or "hopes that he could be a good mid-range shooter"?

If you are looking for hyperbole, pick up a mirror.
I think "can he be like Al Horford" and "three-point shooter by his mid-twenties" is losing one's mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hho51tGRG20

This I agree with. I think hoping that Zizic becomes a slightly better version of a pre-ACL tear Perkins is what we can reasonably hope for.
This was more for the "look, Perk made a jump shot" factor. Otherwise, I've pegged my expectations at Vitaly Potapenko (yes, I'm old, now get off my lawn :P).

Would that be a Vitaly that didn't smoke and drink. That would be an excellent player. ( Yes I am old too!)
Vitaly is Eastern European... what do you mean "not smoke and drink"? ;)
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Boris Badenov on January 08, 2017, 02:51:39 PM
You think "he might get Zeller's minutes" is "losing our minds"? Or "trending up"? Or "good to see him succeeding in a decent league"? Or "hopes that he could be a good mid-range shooter"?

If you are looking for hyperbole, pick up a mirror.
I think "can he be like Al Horford" and "three-point shooter by his mid-twenties" is losing one's mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hho51tGRG20

It was "like Al Horford" in the sense of developing a decent mid-range game, after not having one as a younger player. That's how I read it. And more important it was posed as a question. And the other line said "maybe" he could "add range out to 3."

Those seem like questions about what his possible high end can be rather than firm projections. I think the idea is that Horford is a guy who at 23 was taking 20% of his shots from 16 and out, and now he takes almost 50% from there, and it took him about ten years to make that transition. It's not like people are comparing him to Nowitzki.

Also, he's big, he's pretty coordinated and he's a good free throw shooter. Perkins was only one of those things.

But anyway I think most of the comments have been pretty restrained. I can think of many, many others in which your mind-losing label would be more apt.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: rollie mass on January 08, 2017, 02:53:40 PM
these eastern european kids are tough cookies not aau pampered but to throw him into nba would be a free pass to foul line-why do we feel that rushing prospects is the right way
jaylen learned something from johnson -get in weight room

that center position is critical to a  defensive sets-a rookie has so much to learn both offensively and defensively and then the travel number of games and back to backs-porzingis did it so it is possible but ny had melo and did not make the playoffs

from the two mid range shots i have seen him take his form was very good and his foul shooting , he takes his time,very disciplined and has nice touch-lopez is now knocking down threes  at a high rate-the coaches don't have these bigs shooting threes when there scoring at 60% in close-
horford and lopez cab re invent theselves and lengthen their career instead of banging down low- leave it to the" little guy"
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: kozlodoev on January 08, 2017, 02:56:58 PM
Well, we are talking about a guy who hasn't even proven he's an NBA player, so there's that...
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: ederson on January 08, 2017, 03:24:16 PM
don't spoil it!!... Zizic is the second coming of Divac haven't you heard?
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: IDreamCeltics on January 08, 2017, 08:54:52 PM
these eastern european kids are tough cookies not aau pampered but to throw him into nba would be a free pass to foul line-why do we feel that rushing prospects is the right way
jaylen learned something from johnson -get in weight room

that center position is critical to a  defensive sets-a rookie has so much to learn both offensively and defensively and then the travel number of games and back to backs-porzingis did it so it is possible but ny had melo and did not make the playoffs

from the two mid range shots i have seen him take his form was very good and his foul shooting , he takes his time,very disciplined and has nice touch-lopez is now knocking down threes  at a high rate-the coaches don't have these bigs shooting threes when there scoring at 60% in close-
horford and lopez cab re invent theselves and lengthen their career instead of banging down low- leave it to the" little guy"


So much good stuff in this post, I just wanted everyone to read it again.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: greece66 on January 08, 2017, 11:29:18 PM
Darussafaka plays Baskonia this Thursday (12/1) at 2pm ET (I will recheck the time to be sure).

If I have time, I will post a stream here on the day of the game.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: number_n9ne on January 08, 2017, 11:56:46 PM
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Sources: There has been significant interest in Celtics draftee Ante Zizic. Zizic has looked good in both Croatia and Turkey this season.

Via @KeithSmithNBA

Maybe the hype is real. I hope he doesnt get traded, he was one of my picks with the final first rounder.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: kozlodoev on January 09, 2017, 01:11:55 AM
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Sources: There has been significant interest in Celtics draftee Ante Zizic. Zizic has looked good in both Croatia and Turkey this season.

Via @KeithSmithNBA

Maybe the hype is real. I hope he doesnt get traded, he was one of my picks with the final first rounder.
I'm shocked someone is actually paying attention.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: OldSchoolDude on January 09, 2017, 01:51:06 AM
Well, we are talking about a guy who hasn't even proven he's an NBA player, so there's that...

Yes, but here’s what we do know.

He was the Center of the year and lead the league in rebounding last year at 18/19 years old.  He looked to be an energy big who could grab boards and dunk, but that was about it.  Well he came back this season as an all around beast.  He lead the ABA league in rebounding again and was 2nd in scoring.  He put on an all star show. He posted better numbers this year in the ABA league than both Jusuf Nurkic and Nikola Jokic did, and we already know that they can both play in the NBA.  He has moved to a more completive league and is showing that he can be just as effective there as well. 

When we drafted him the hope was for a slightly more agile Zeller to be an effective back up.  He is looking like he may end up being our starting center sooner rather than latter.  Zizic wasn’t supposed to be this good this year.  Will he be this good in the NBA maybe, maybe not, but he is defiantly good enough for serious rotational minutes right now.   Sure he will have to learn the schemas to stay on the floor and he’ll make rookie mistakes but he is going to be a player.  Three Euro league games have convinced me. 

He wasn’t supposed to get many minutes behind Semih Erden.  In his first game playing less minutes than Erden, Zizic got more rebounds and the same amount of points.  In the second game again playing less minutes he got more points and more rebounds.  In the third game he played more minutes than Erden and got more points and rebounds again.  Semih Erden is no super star but he played rotational minutes in the NBA.  He is older and likely a better player now than he was when he was in the NBA.  He was an all star last year in Euro league.  Zizic just walked on to the team and took his minutes. 

He is still rebounding like a beast in a more completive league and is still dominating in the paint.  So he hasn’t played in the NBA yet.   I’m still really excited about him as a player, and so are a lot of people on this board.   There is good reason to be excited about this kid. 
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: ederson on January 09, 2017, 02:36:37 AM
Yes, but here’s what we do know.

Here's what you don't know. The level of his competition. Maybe i am wrong but i think it is important in order to place the things you know into context

He wasn’t supposed to get many minutes behind Semih Erden.

Says who ? Erden today is a d-league level center and not the 10mpg NBA player you remember
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: liam on January 09, 2017, 02:45:12 AM
You think "he might get Zeller's minutes" is "losing our minds"? Or "trending up"? Or "good to see him succeeding in a decent league"? Or "hopes that he could be a good mid-range shooter"?

If you are looking for hyperbole, pick up a mirror.
I think "can he be like Al Horford" and "three-point shooter by his mid-twenties" is losing one's mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hho51tGRG20

This I agree with. I think hoping that Zizic becomes a slightly better version of a pre-ACL tear Perkins is what we can reasonably hope for.
This was more for the "look, Perk made a jump shot" factor. Otherwise, I've pegged my expectations at Vitaly Potapenko (yes, I'm old, now get off my lawn :P).

Would that be a Vitaly that didn't smoke and drink. That would be an excellent player. ( Yes I am old too!)
Vitaly is Eastern European... what do you mean "not smoke and drink"? ;)

Yes I know. There used to be lots of jokes around when We had Vitaly that he smoked and drank lots of beer.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: RockinRyA on January 09, 2017, 04:29:16 AM
Yes, but here’s what we do know.

Here's what you don't know. The level of his competition. Maybe i am wrong but i think it is important in order to place the things you know into context

He wasn’t supposed to get many minutes behind Semih Erden.

Says who ? Erden today is a d-league level center and not the 10mpg NBA player you remember

Well true to an extent. But he also explained that Jokic and Nurkic played against the same competition and did slightly worse. We dont know for sure how it will translate, but there are reasons to be optimistic. hence the "what we do know" part. I dunno if you are just being a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. and antagonistic, but you clearly missed the whole point of his post.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: ederson on January 09, 2017, 05:31:20 AM
Being optimistic in one thing , kicking out of the team everyone not named Horfod because the Serbian Barkley is coming is another.

This year is Zizic (whom if you bother searching i liked much more than Bedner before the draft) last year it was Mickey. I don't think that Mickey is what people here projected him to be. Now Zizic is anointed as the solution to the Cs frontcourt problems. Because of highlight videos and stat lines.

It's funny though that if you don't follow the flow here you are a **** and antagonistic. Actually watching the games is i guess irrelevant
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: saltlover on January 09, 2017, 05:43:34 AM
Being optimistic in one thing , kicking out of the team everyone not named Horfod because the Serbian Barkley is coming is another.

This year is Zizic (whom if you bother searching i liked much more than Bedner before the draft) last year it was Mickey. I don't think that Mickey is what people here projected him to be. Now Zizic is anointed as the solution to the Cs frontcourt problems. Because of highlight videos and stat lines.

It's funny though that if you don't follow the flow here you are a **** and antagonistic. Actually watching the games is i guess irrelevant

I took you up on your search request, and you don't have any search hits for Zizic from before October.  Thanks for the suggestion.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: rollie mass on January 09, 2017, 06:42:30 AM
didn't zizic have a game jan 8-2017 that darussafaka won-can't find the stats i think the score was 97-75 so it would seem he would get some run
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: tankcity! on January 09, 2017, 06:57:31 AM
You think "he might get Zeller's minutes" is "losing our minds"? Or "trending up"? Or "good to see him succeeding in a decent league"? Or "hopes that he could be a good mid-range shooter"?

If you are looking for hyperbole, pick up a mirror.
I think "can he be like Al Horford" and "three-point shooter by his mid-twenties" is losing one's mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hho51tGRG20

Time for your typical straw man argument....People are just throwing guesses out there because no one knows anything about him. You can be negative and someone else can be positive because in reality nobody knows where this kid will end up. It could go either way.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: rollie mass on January 09, 2017, 07:03:54 AM
found it-january 8-scored 16points  on 5-7 shooting,6-6 from line 8 rebounds 3 offensive 5 defensive ,3 blocks and 2 turnoversi,1assist all in 26min-also only 2 fouls,had all the blocks for the team and was rebound leader
thats a nice stat for a new young player to put up
last game 14 points was a breakthrough ,now he puts up 16 pt 5-7 and perfect from foulline
 best stats on team as there were several players bunched at 20-23 points-but as a total game with 3 blocks 3 offensive boards with 8 rebound total zizac wins the stat mvp-and tommy point
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: clover on January 09, 2017, 09:26:49 AM
found it-january 8-scored 16points  on 5-7 shooting,6-6 from line 8 rebounds 3 offensive 5 defensive ,3 blocks and 2 turnoversi,1assist all in 26min-also only 2 fouls,had all the blocks for the team and was rebound leader
thats a nice stat for a new young player to put up
last game 14 points was a breakthrough ,now he puts up 16 pt 5-7 and perfect from foulline
 best stats on team as there were several players bunched at 20-23 points-but as a total game with 3 blocks 3 offensive boards with 8 rebound total zizac wins the stat mvp-and tommy point

Thanks, Rollie--Did he start and do you have a link?
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: number_n9ne on January 09, 2017, 09:46:41 AM
I forget where I read it, but he had a quote recently (and I'm paraphrasing) that said he had no intentions of coming to the NBA to play a couple of years and leave like other Euro bigs, he plans on coming to the C's next year and staying. I like that mind set... a lot.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on January 09, 2017, 09:49:07 AM
So I'm still a bit unclear about this.. but is it official there is zero chance Zizic comes in this season and he will come over next season for the team? Or is there a chance Zizic can come by the second half of the season.

I wouldn't mind if he stayed overseas and improved this season while coming in next season to Boston, but I'm just curious.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: saltlover on January 09, 2017, 09:59:16 AM
So I'm still a bit unclear about this.. but is it official there is zero chance Zizic comes in this season and he will come over next season for the team? Or is there a chance Zizic can come by the second half of the season.

I wouldn't mind if he stayed overseas and improved this season while coming in next season to Boston, but I'm just curious.

Prior to him going to Turkey, there was a small chance (I'd say less than 10%).  But as his Turkish team paid $1.5 million for Zizic just for the rest of the year, and the Celtics can only pay $650k to buy him out of his contract, it's zero for all intents and purposes.  He's allowed to come over, but there's no way that's contractually happening.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on January 09, 2017, 10:08:14 AM
So I'm still a bit unclear about this.. but is it official there is zero chance Zizic comes in this season and he will come over next season for the team? Or is there a chance Zizic can come by the second half of the season.

I wouldn't mind if he stayed overseas and improved this season while coming in next season to Boston, but I'm just curious.

Prior to him going to Turkey, there was a small chance (I'd say less than 10%).  But as his Turkish team paid $1.5 million for Zizic just for the rest of the year, and the Celtics can only pay $650k to buy him out of his contract, it's zero for all intents and purposes.  He's allowed to come over, but there's no way that's contractually happening.

Alright makes sense. Thanks! TP.

Really have high hopes for him though, and I will not be sad when Zeller and Olynyk leave.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: trickybilly on January 09, 2017, 10:13:00 AM
Probably been said before but I think he needs to get at least an Amir level Three point shot to really fit right in soon.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: saltlover on January 09, 2017, 10:14:36 AM
So I'm still a bit unclear about this.. but is it official there is zero chance Zizic comes in this season and he will come over next season for the team? Or is there a chance Zizic can come by the second half of the season.

I wouldn't mind if he stayed overseas and improved this season while coming in next season to Boston, but I'm just curious.

Prior to him going to Turkey, there was a small chance (I'd say less than 10%).  But as his Turkish team paid $1.5 million for Zizic just for the rest of the year, and the Celtics can only pay $650k to buy him out of his contract, it's zero for all intents and purposes.  He's allowed to come over, but there's no way that's contractually happening.

Alright makes sense. Thanks! TP.

Really have high hopes for him though, and I will not be sad when Zeller and Olynyk leave.

I'll be sad if Olynyk leaves.  I really like the Smart-Olynyk combo.  Seems like they've got some good chemistry on offense.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: OldSchoolDude on January 09, 2017, 11:52:57 PM
Yes, but here’s what we do know.

Here's what you don't know. The level of his competition. Maybe i am wrong but i think it is important in order to place the things you know into context

He wasn’t supposed to get many minutes behind Semih Erden.

Says who ? Erden today is a d-league level center and not the 10mpg NBA player you remember


We absolutely know the level of competition.  He is not only competing in Euro league which is more completive than the NCAA he is playing significant minutes and machining a serious statistical impact.   

Semih Erden was a good rotational quality player like a Zeller that just didn’t get any love from Doc.  He’s been playing meaningful minutes in Europe and you think he’s a D leaguer?  He was better than that when he was here.   Just because a guy like Erden will make more and play more in Europe, doesn’t mean he can’t play here. 

What makes players succeed and even excel in the NBA is the ability to reach or exceed their potential.  To do this players hone their strengths and improve upon and/or eliminate weaknesses in their game.  When we draft a player we are drafting an incomplete product and hoping they can overcome some weakness.   One of the things that has me excited and is a good reason for the buzz surrounding Zizic is the speed at which he is addressing his weaknesses.   

Lets compare Zizic to Zeller to illustrate my point.  Zeller is a back up big and is good enough for rotational minutes on a good team.  He is not what anyone would want as a started and a real contender would hope for more off the bench.  Zeller went 17 because he has weaknesses that looked tough to over come.

Zeller’s Weaknesses:

Even though Zeller has good height for the C spot, he certainly doesn’t have very good strength …

Still a problem

When he faces strong big men down low, they can easily seal and establish position on him for pretty easy shots …

Still a problem

He’s also not the toughest guy down low, and struggles with defensive rebounding and physical play inside on both ends …

Still a problem

Has a high center of gravity, and can be pushed out of the post by defenders with leverage …

Still a problem

Although he has most of his upside on the offensive end, he’s still a bit raw in his feel for the D and will force shots when kick outs are available …

He has improved greatly here

Doesn’t react to double teams very well …

He’s not good enough to draw a double team in the NBA ha ah

Not a particularly selfish player, but Zeller rarely looks to pass the ball back out …

He does do this now

Should look to add some left handed moves to his arsenal, as his jump hook is his only truly noteworthy move in the paint …

Nope still a one trick pony

He also should work on being less mechanical in his approach, as he can be turnover prone or get caught in awkward situations at times in the half-court offense …

Still a problem

Although his jumper is promising, he’s going to need repetition with it as it hasn’t been utilized a lot during his UNC career .

He has a nice mid range jumper now


Result his offensive game improved enough to keep him in the league coming of the bench but not good enough to be a starting caliber center.  When our front curt was extra sucky he got some starts but he is really a 10th to 12th man off the bench on a good team.

Could he have been more, sure but he couldn’t get past his weaknesses.  He looked great in college but he couldn’t translate to the NBA at the same level.   

So what’s different about Zizic?

Zizic Weaknesses: 

[Note:  His pre draft scouting report was from when he was 18, he didn’t get back to the US to go through Euro camp (he did do it in 2015) or the Combine, before the draft as he was busy playing pro ball.  Danny did travel to see him live and work him out in Europe before the draft.  He wasn’t a top pick so there wasn’t much need to update his profile.]


Good but not great size for a center …

Really?  Cousins is 6’11 270 at 26 years old.  Zizic is 7’ 260 at 20 years old.

Not a versatile player, since he can only play at the center position …

That’s what we need!  But in an early season interview he said he has been working on his game so he can play the 4 or the 5.  We’ll see, looks like he has been staying at the 5 so far.  But again WE NEED A CENTER!

Considered an average athlete by NBA standards …

He makes up foe it with a non-stop motor and the sheer will to make the play, dare I say somewhat like we see from Crowder.

Has to continue bulking up his body …

Look at him on film from last year to this year, he is much bigger now.

The fact that he needs time to gather before jumping can really hurt him at the next level …

Look at him on film he gets up quick now.

His footwork needs work on both ends of the floor …

This has improved on both ends of the floor, a big reason for his outstanding statistics this year.

He might not be afraid of contact, but in reality he has problems against bigger and more athletic bigs …

Not any more.  He has struggled against no one this year including his 4 games in the more challenging league.  Again this is a big reason for the hype train.

Has problems finishing through traffic …

Not anymore. Film don’t lie, he is crushing people now.

Not as adept at finishing at the rim with his left hand …

Not any more.  Again, film don’t lie.  Watch the tape, he finishes at the rim with the left effortlessly.

His post game is mostly dependant upon strength and needs polishing …

He doesn’t have the dream shake down, but he now has a few simple moves.  They work and it’s a start.

Although he can turn to both shoulders when he plays with his back to the basket, the truth is that he actually doesn’t have many counter moves …

So far no one has been able to stop the moves he has, so there hasn’t been a need to counter anything.

For the time being he can’t be considered a threat from mid-range…

Excellent FT shooting = high potential for a mid range game (see Zelller).  Also we have seen the occasion very nice looking mid range jumper.   But when he can’t be stopped in the paint, even with a double team, why take a jump shot?

He doesn’t have a Face to the basket game…

He is starting to show signs of having one.  Nothing to rave about but the beginning of one is evident.

At times he tries to do things too fast, which leads to bad decisions…

He has 1.2:2 assist to turnover ratio now.  I think that is good for a big man, at least a 20 year old.

Feel for the game is a question mark …

He seems to have a really good feel for the game from watching him, at least this year.  Film don’t lie.

Has to improve his ball handling …

He’s not really handing the ball in a point center way, but he is touching the ball a lot.  He looks comfortable with the ball in his hands.

Turnover prone (3.4 turnovers per 36 minutes in Adriatic League) …

He’s only averaging 2 this year so that is almost cutting his turnovers in half.  That is big time improvement.

Bad passer (barely averages 0.5 assists per 36 minutes in Adriatic League)…

He is averaging 1.2 now, so again big time improvement.

His Assist/Turnover Ratio is bad (1 assist every 6 turnovers in Adriatic League) …

Now its 1.2 for every 2, so once again big time improvement.

When he sets screens on Pick And Roll situations he has the tendency to roll at the wrong side …

Not anymore he is killing it as a role man, film don’t lie.

Lateral quickness is average …

So far not a problem in the Adriatic, Turkish, or Euro league.  We’ll see in the NBA. I’m optimistic he can move as well as if not better than KO.

Struggles defending the Pick And Roll against quick guards …

Not anymore

Occasionally loses concentration on Defense, because he is too focused on the ball …

He is dialed in now, 1.2 blocks a game and .7 steals a game.

It’s difficult to imagine him become an elite rim protector because of his average size and athleticism …

Average size?  7’ with a 7’3 wing span, really?  He is bigger than anyone else on our team.  He also isn’t giving up too much when compared to some prospects we are currently looking at obtaining:  Noel 6’11 with a 7’4 wingspan; Okafor 6’11 with a 7’5 wingspan;  Cousins 6’11 with a 7’6 wingspan; Vucevic 7’ with a 7’4 wingspan;  Bogut 7’ with a 7’3 wingspan.


So he hasn’t played in the NBA yet.  We have had a hole at the center position for a long time.    He has the skills we need.  He is better offensively than Noel but not as good defensively.   He is better defensively than Okafor but not as good offensively.  He is a nice middle ground between the two.  He will be awesome as a back up center right away, should we trade for a starting caliber center, and he looks like he may become a good starting caliber two-way center.   

Okafor is 21 and Noel is 22.  We haven’t seen any improvements in their areas of weakness yet, but at 20 Zizic has already shown that he is getting better where it matters most.   This is why people are so excited about Zizic.  You want to compare someone to Mickey, compare Yabusele.  He looked good in summer league and is putting up crazy numbers in the CBA, but no one is going nuts over him.  He is like Mickey a lot of talent but it looks like he will be held back by his weaknesses.  It is the major improvements by Zizic not merely that he’s putting up big numbers that has people interested in him. 
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: OldSchoolDude on January 10, 2017, 12:22:31 AM
Being optimistic in one thing , kicking out of the team everyone not named Horfod because the Serbian Barkley is coming is another.

This year is Zizic (whom if you bother searching i liked much more than Bedner before the draft) last year it was Mickey. I don't think that Mickey is what people here projected him to be. Now Zizic is anointed as the solution to the Cs frontcourt problems. Because of highlight videos and stat lines.

It's funny though that if you don't follow the flow here you are a **** and antagonistic. Actually watching the games is i guess irrelevant


No one thought a 6’8 230lb PF/Small ball center was the player of our dreams.   No one expected Mickey to start at center for sure, maybe there was hope he could play the 4, but we needed to see it.   We have been getting killed in rebounding and we barley block any shots.  People were tired of watching Sully, Zeller, and KO get bet on D over and over again.  They wanted to give the kid rebounding and blocking shots like a mad man in the D league a chance to show he was for real.  Well turns out between his size limitations and his difficulty picking up the NBA schemes, he just isn’t ready for rotational minutes.   

Also, no one is saying kick out the whole team.   Amir makes 12 million and Zeller 8 million.  That money can go to a free agent but we need to fill their spots.  We probably wont bring back both KO and Jerebko, as they are really quite similar players, so that is another spot that opens up.  People are glad that a guy like Zizic is coming on the cheep.  He looks to be all about working in the pain, crashing the boards and dunking everything.  At 7’ 260, he has the body to do just that in the NBA, more so than someone 6’8 230.

If I had my way I’d trade low value assets for Vucevic and his manageable contract.  Zizic would back him up and when Vucevic’s deal is up the hope would be that Zizic is ready to anchor the middle for the long haul.  If not Vucevic I’d go for Bogut but only if we could resign him on the cheep, or at least a reasonable deal.   If Danny does it right, we should be able to trade for a center and sign a Max free agent.  Having Zizic coming on the cheep only helps make that possible.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: jdz101 on January 10, 2017, 12:45:45 AM
The wet towels are no more right than the blind optimists in this thread.

I will say the kid looks terrific as a 19 year old. He could develop into a pretty good NBA center.


Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Androslav on January 10, 2017, 07:21:30 AM
Being optimistic in one thing , kicking out of the team everyone not named Horfod because the Serbian Barkley is coming is another.

This year is Zizic (whom if you bother searching i liked much more than Bedner before the draft) last year it was Mickey. I don't think that Mickey is what people here projected him to be. Now Zizic is anointed as the solution to the Cs frontcourt problems. Because of highlight videos and stat lines.

It's funny though that if you don't follow the flow here you are a **** and antagonistic. Actually watching the games is i guess irrelevant

Ante is a Croat. Naming him a serbian Barkley is uninformed and even insulting, since serbian dictatorship wanted to occupy Croatia 20-25 years ago using military force. Many people died and were left without home. I understand this might not be that relevant to you, but if you are a true Celtic please do your homework before posting.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: DavorCroatiaFan on January 10, 2017, 07:40:52 AM
I second that. Žižić, Bogdanović, Šarić, Hezonja, Zubac, Bender...Petrović, Kukoć, Rađa, Vranković are Croats. Serbs are Jokić, Marjanović, Bjelica...Divac, Stojaković, Krstić, Danilović, Đorđević, Miličić. Teletović and Nurkić are Bosnian, Dragić Slovenian and  Vučević and Pavlović from Montenegro.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Androslav on January 10, 2017, 09:40:05 AM
Žižić will hopefully be a 3rd Croatian to play for the Celts. All bigs, all centers. Rađa would definitly be a 5 in todays game.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: footey on January 10, 2017, 10:35:34 AM
Great scouting report on him on CB home page today.  Says he is ready to play now for team, but will most certainly come over next season. Thinks with time he has ability to start!!

Love it!!
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: DavorCroatiaFan on January 10, 2017, 03:40:17 PM
Žižić will hopefully be a 3rd Croatian to play for the Celts. All bigs, all centers. Rađa would definitly be a 5 in todays game.

Actually 5th Croatian (Stojko Vranković, Dino Rađa, Žan Tabak, Bruno Šundov)
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: greece66 on January 10, 2017, 04:42:50 PM
Žižić will hopefully be a 3rd Croatian to play for the Celts. All bigs, all centers. Rađa would definitly be a 5 in todays game.

Actually 5th Croatian (Stojko Vranković, Dino Rađa, Žan Tabak, Bruno Šundov)

^

TP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh0ZrVq9zo4
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: detour on January 12, 2017, 04:25:28 AM
Zizic Alert

Darüşşafaka plays today with Spanish team Baskonia, at 17.00 GMT, or 12.00 US Eastern Time. Game is in İstanbul.

Baskonia sits at 3rd place with an 11-5 record, 1 win behind the leader CSKA Moscow. Darüşşafaka is at 8th place with an 8-8 record.

Baskonia is know for their uptempo style and taking quick shots. They are selected "the most fun team to watch" in a recent poll between Euroleague GMs. Also, they managed to go to final four last year. While they lost some important players like Bourousis this summer, they made additions like Shane Larkin, Bargnani, and Beaubois to stay at a high level. Chase Budinger also plays there for some weeks now.

Zizic will compete with a washed up Bargnani, up and coming German center Voigtmann, and maybe Diop.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Androslav on January 12, 2017, 04:36:30 AM
Žižić will hopefully be a 3rd Croatian to play for the Celts. All bigs, all centers. Rađa would definitly be a 5 in todays game.

Actually 5th Croatian (Stojko Vranković, Dino Rađa, Žan Tabak, Bruno Šundov)

TP.
I totally forgot about;
Bruno "already on a different team" Šundov and
Žan "the ring bearer" Tabak. :)
Still, all were fives.
Thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: trickybilly on January 12, 2017, 04:38:06 AM
Žižić will hopefully be a 3rd Croatian to play for the Celts. All bigs, all centers. Rađa would definitly be a 5 in todays game.

Actually 5th Croatian (Stojko Vranković, Dino Rađa, Žan Tabak, Bruno Šundov)

TP for the solid diacritic game..
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: greece66 on January 12, 2017, 06:05:28 AM
Zizic Alert

Darüşşafaka plays today with Spanish team Baskonia, at 17.00 GMT, or 12.00 US Eastern Time. Game is in İstanbul.

Baskonia sits at 3rd place with an 11-5 record, 1 win behind the leader CSKA Moscow. Darüşşafaka is at 8th place with an 8-8 record.

Baskonia is know for their uptempo style and taking quick shots. They are selected "the most fun team to watch" in a recent poll between Euroleague GMs. Also, they managed to go to final four last year. While they lost some important players like Bourousis this summer, they made additions like Shane Larkin, Bargnani, and Beaubois to stay at a high level. Chase Budinger also plays there for some weeks now.

Zizic will compete with a washed up Bargnani, up and coming German center Voigtmann, and maybe Diop.

TP for the info on the game.

I won't be able to watch this one, I have another commitment today in the evening.

I also could not find a stream, I'll make another later today.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: greece66 on January 12, 2017, 06:05:49 AM
double posting due to slow i.net connection

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/100/074/2aa.jpg)
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: OldSchoolDude on January 12, 2017, 08:12:51 AM
Zizic Alert

Darüşşafaka plays today with Spanish team Baskonia, at 17.00 GMT, or 12.00 US Eastern Time. Game is in İstanbul.

Baskonia sits at 3rd place with an 11-5 record, 1 win behind the leader CSKA Moscow. Darüşşafaka is at 8th place with an 8-8 record.

Baskonia is know for their uptempo style and taking quick shots. They are selected "the most fun team to watch" in a recent poll between Euroleague GMs. Also, they managed to go to final four last year. While they lost some important players like Bourousis this summer, they made additions like Shane Larkin, Bargnani, and Beaubois to stay at a high level. Chase Budinger also plays there for some weeks now.

Zizic will compete with a washed up Bargnani, up and coming German center Voigtmann, and maybe Diop.

TP for the info on the game.

I won't be able to watch this one, I have another commitment today in the evening.

I also could not find a stream, I'll make another later today.

For a wee bit of $$ you can watch all his games.
http://www.euroleague.tv/packages?utm_source=MTM&utm_medium=Google&utm_campaign=brand_US&utm_term=%2Beuroleague%20%2Btv&gclid=Cj0KEQiAzNfDBRD2xKrO4pSnnOkBEiQAbzzeQXonmSv-VAzGduUe0ZmedMmH1-RnmoIaL_70FtmUPDIaArzG8P8HAQ
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: apc on January 12, 2017, 04:45:48 PM
Zizic Alert

Darüşşafaka plays today with Spanish team Baskonia, at 17.00 GMT, or 12.00 US Eastern Time. Game is in İstanbul.

Baskonia sits at 3rd place with an 11-5 record, 1 win behind the leader CSKA Moscow. Darüşşafaka is at 8th place with an 8-8 record.

Baskonia is know for their uptempo style and taking quick shots. They are selected "the most fun team to watch" in a recent poll between Euroleague GMs. Also, they managed to go to final four last year. While they lost some important players like Bourousis this summer, they made additions like Shane Larkin, Bargnani, and Beaubois to stay at a high level. Chase Budinger also plays there for some weeks now.

Zizic will compete with a washed up Bargnani, up and coming German center Voigtmann, and maybe Diop.

TP for the info on the game.

I won't be able to watch this one, I have another commitment today in the evening.

I also could not find a stream, I'll make another later today.

For a wee bit of $$ you can watch all his games.
http://www.euroleague.tv/packages?utm_source=MTM&utm_medium=Google&utm_campaign=brand_US&utm_term=%2Beuroleague%20%2Btv&gclid=Cj0KEQiAzNfDBRD2xKrO4pSnnOkBEiQAbzzeQXonmSv-VAzGduUe0ZmedMmH1-RnmoIaL_70FtmUPDIaArzG8P8HAQ
Zizic played only 10 minutes. his stat line was pretty empty.
I wonder if he was not suitable for the uptempo match.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Emmette Bryant on January 18, 2017, 11:21:10 AM
http://www.eurohoops.net/featured/384822/ante-zizic-next-summer-im-going-nba-sure
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: The One on January 18, 2017, 11:49:31 AM
http://www.eurohoops.net/featured/384822/ante-zizic-next-summer-im-going-nba-sure

Really curious to see him.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: footey on January 18, 2017, 12:23:42 PM
http://www.eurohoops.net/featured/384822/ante-zizic-next-summer-im-going-nba-sure

TP for the link. Sounds like he is coming this off season for sure, will be fun to see him in summer league.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: erisred on January 18, 2017, 03:33:29 PM
This was more for the "look, Perk made a jump shot" factor. Otherwise, I've pegged my expectations at Vitaly Potapenko (yes, I'm old, now get off my lawn :P).

Would that be a Vitaly that didn't smoke and drink. That would be an excellent player. ( Yes I am old too!)
Potapenko was a pretty good player for the C's before he when home...him leaving when he did bugged me.

Personally, I'm hopeful about Zizic, like I'd be hopeful about any Celtics pick. I don't know what we're going to get, though, until he is over here and playing against NBA players.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: liam on January 18, 2017, 03:52:06 PM
This was more for the "look, Perk made a jump shot" factor. Otherwise, I've pegged my expectations at Vitaly Potapenko (yes, I'm old, now get off my lawn :P).

Would that be a Vitaly that didn't smoke and drink. That would be an excellent player. ( Yes I am old too!)
Potapenko was a pretty good player for the C's before he when home...him leaving when he did bugged me.

Personally, I'm hopeful about Zizic, like I'd be hopeful about any Celtics pick. I don't know what we're going to get, though, until he is over here and playing against NBA players.


Potapenko was a wonderful low-post player. He played hard but if people think that Scal wasn't in the best of shape, VP didn't really take care of his body. It was before NBA players really started modern fitness programs. I'll always have a warm spot for Vitaly!
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: TrueFan on January 20, 2017, 04:46:27 PM
Zizic impresses me with how he's able to carve out space down low and make himself such a huge target to pass into. He also has a very natural feel for how to slide and angle himself for entry passes or for drop offs to get the best angle to the rim. Bbiq is very high.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: CelticGuardian on January 20, 2017, 04:53:47 PM
I have high hopes for Ante. We need this kid on the boards badly
Title: zizic played today
Post by: rollie mass on January 20, 2017, 05:26:01 PM
played 33 minutes today scored 13 points-3 offensive boards 2 defensive
5-7 and 3 for 3 at the line
darassufaka won 71-64 over unics kazan
Title: Re: zizic played today
Post by: Denis998 on January 20, 2017, 05:52:34 PM
Probably a disappointing game considering only 2 deffensive boards in 33 mins
Title: Re: zizic played today
Post by: detour on January 20, 2017, 07:48:13 PM
Probably a disappointing game considering only 2 deffensive boards in 33 mins

Unics Kazan likes to play a low tempo offense and I couldn't see the game, but still 5 Darüşşafaka players had more defensive rebounds than Zizic.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: The One on January 21, 2017, 02:16:49 PM
Could he be our Embiid neutralizer?


https://youtu.be/H_SXd0eZAIw



Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 21, 2017, 02:42:21 PM
Could he be our Embiid neutralizer?


https://youtu.be/H_SXd0eZAIw


Well ....anything is better than Zeller practically.  He can not do worse .   He won't stop him, but maybe ,  slow him down some  From 35 points to 25 . And get us a few rebounds.
Title: ante zizic looking great
Post by: rollie mass on January 23, 2017, 09:00:03 AM
scored 21 points,6 rebounds and 2 assists-runs the court and pick and rolls
impressive game for 20-watch him turn and block
found this video on boston celtics reddit
Title: Re: ante zizic looking great
Post by: TrueFan on January 23, 2017, 09:38:40 AM
scored 21 points,6 rebounds and 2 assists-runs the court and pick and rolls
impressive game for 20-watch him turn and block
found this video on boston celtics reddit
Hey Rollie. First time responding to you. Big fan of your posts.

You have the link for the video?
Title: Re: ante zizic looking great
Post by: rollie mass on January 23, 2017, 10:38:00 AM
scored 21 points,6 rebounds and 2 assists-runs the court and pick and rolls
impressive game for 20-watch him turn and block
found this video on boston celtics reddit
Hey Rollie. First time responding to you. Big fan of your posts.

You have the link for the video?
thanks-i think it was eurohoops  but if you google boston celtics reddit they have a forum type site-- it is there
this guy has some motor,he can block shots get offensive rebounds and he turns and blocks-these eastern europeans can be quite tough and he enjoys banging
-he showed some nice stuff in this game -also a good foul shooter which sometimes indicates that they can extend range -horford has and lopez just started this year-
david blatt used zizic as an inspirational topic -
when he was 16 he saw this kid go up against a huge seasoned pro and he kept knocking zizic to the ground and zizic just kept getting up and going at the guy,time after time  and blatt said that kid is going to play in NBA
zizic also had an older brother another 6-10 kid who is playing in college in america -they played basketball against each other constantly as kids-
Title: Re: ante zizic looking great
Post by: TrueFan on January 23, 2017, 10:48:20 AM
scored 21 points,6 rebounds and 2 assists-runs the court and pick and rolls
impressive game for 20-watch him turn and block
found this video on boston celtics reddit
Hey Rollie. First time responding to you. Big fan of your posts.

You have the link for the video?
thanks-i think it was eurohoops  but if you google boston celtics reddit they have a forum type site-- it is there
this guy has some motor,he can block shots get offensive rebounds and he turns and blocks-these eastern europeans can be quite tough and he enjoys banging
-he showed some nice stuff in this game -also a good foul shooter which sometimes indicates that they can extend range -horford has and lopez just started this year-
david blatt used zizic as an inspirational topic -
when he was 16 he saw this kid go up against a huge seasoned pro and he kept knocking zizic to the ground and zizic just kept getting up and going at the guy,time after time  and blatt said that kid is going to play in NBA
zizic also had an older brother another 6-10 kid who is playing in college in america -they played basketball against each other constantly as kids-
Yes! Motor is a great adjective for Zizic. He has a good one and it's one of the most important things you want your bigs to have.

He also has a high bbiq and understands how to move without the ball. He finds the angles and knows how to create easy entry passes to him while shielding his defender away from the hoop. He's got a very natural feel for this.
Title: Re: ante zizic looking great
Post by: The One on January 23, 2017, 11:33:00 AM
scored 21 points,6 rebounds and 2 assists-runs the court and pick and rolls
impressive game for 20-watch him turn and block
found this video on boston celtics reddit
Hey Rollie. First time responding to you. Big fan of your posts.

You have the link for the video?

Here it is!

https://youtu.be/pvRt35OAOzM
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: footey on January 23, 2017, 11:38:49 AM
I love this guy!!

See him as our starting center next season.  Maybe initially off the bench until he learns the defensive rotations. But his future is very bright. 
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: greece66 on January 23, 2017, 03:49:16 PM
Found this gem today.

Russian website with replays of Darussafaka's games (http://livetv141.net/team/3_163925_821_darussafaka/video/)

 and here are Cibona's games  (http://livetv141.net/team/3_462_449_cibona/video/)

Unfortunately, for some games they only give the synopsis but still, this is a huge collection.

They also have NBA, NFL, baseball, ice hockey, you name it... even Greek-Roman wrestling... It's the mother of video archives for sports and it is very well organized.

You can find streams   on this page  (http://livetv141.net/allupcoming/)

I just noticed they also have an English version of the website. Just look at the top right corner.

Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: greece66 on January 23, 2017, 03:51:00 PM
@OldSchoolDude

Appreciated.

TP
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: apc on January 25, 2017, 01:35:39 PM
Zizic playing now in Euro league- got the start!

Uou can follow here:

http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=149&seasoncode=E2016
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: TrueFan on January 25, 2017, 01:45:05 PM
Zizic playing now in Euro league- got the start!

Uou can follow here:

http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=149&seasoncode=E2016
Hes off to a good start. 7 points and 4 rebounds in first 7 minutes of game.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: TrueFan on January 25, 2017, 02:17:03 PM
11 points and 8 boards in 15 minutes so far.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: apc on January 25, 2017, 02:21:04 PM
11 points and 8 boards in 15 minutes so far.
Leading both teams in points and rebounds.
This guy is a lottery pick !
AND highest Performance Rating- whatever that is.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: TrueFan on January 25, 2017, 02:22:36 PM
One rebound shy of a double double at half time.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Eja117 on January 25, 2017, 02:23:34 PM
Do you think when Ante gets here he'll be expected just to jack up a bunch of threes and get no rebs?
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: TrueFan on January 25, 2017, 02:23:51 PM
11 points and 8 boards in 15 minutes so far.
Leading both teams in points and rebounds.
This guy is a lottery pick !
AND highest Performance Rating- whatever that is.
Wish we could play the guy this year.

Does anyone know how many combined double doubles our current bigs have?

Zizic one rebound away at halftime.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Denis998 on January 25, 2017, 02:23:58 PM
Its sad that out best rebounder is playing overseas. Any way we can get him over here after the trade deadline?
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: TrueFan on January 25, 2017, 02:24:40 PM
Do you think when Ante gets here he'll be expected just to jack up a bunch of threes and get no rebs?
He's completely different then Okynyk so no.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: apc on January 25, 2017, 03:06:20 PM
I am surprised Harangody is not doing better. I thought he would suit well in European basketball.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: rollie mass on January 25, 2017, 03:16:27 PM
zizic has 18 rebounds 16points-
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: apc on January 25, 2017, 03:19:55 PM
zizic has 18 rebounds 16points-
Impressive. 8 offensive rebounds!
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: GratefulCs on January 25, 2017, 03:37:43 PM
Do you think when Ante gets here he'll be expected just to jack up a bunch of threes and get no rebs?
dont forget the lack of PnR defense!
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: oldtype on January 25, 2017, 03:47:01 PM
Very, very impressive.  Rebounding is supposed to be one of the more translatable skills from Europe to the NBA, so this is great news.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: apc on January 25, 2017, 03:59:24 PM
Highlights from the game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45uspqsfQ9c

Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Walter Moss on January 25, 2017, 04:15:16 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3C3TWJUMAA0SZY.jpg)
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on January 25, 2017, 04:28:31 PM
Highlights from the game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45uspqsfQ9c
he looks pretty good as an under the basket type player. i dont think he can make any shots further than 5 feet from the basket. but he might yet develop a mid range shot, who knows?

he is pretty fast for a center as well. but i really enjoyed watching how he boxes out opposing players.

he may turn out to be better than steve adams, at least offensively. that would be nice.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Eja117 on January 25, 2017, 04:39:04 PM
Do you think when Ante gets here he'll be expected just to jack up a bunch of threes and get no rebs?
dont forget the lack of PnR defense!
What about the lack of caring, pride, and self respect? Does he have that?
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: greece66 on January 25, 2017, 05:21:28 PM
Fell asleep a bit before halftime (blame my habit of segmented sleep...) but it has been a solid performance so far. He looked like the best big in the game.

Offensively, he is really good at the PnR, but he also posts up regularly. He uses his body and  footwork (for a guy of his size) well.

Good insticts for rebounding.

Defensively, he is sound. He is good in the paint but also able to guard at the perimeter. Boxes out p well too (although there were a couple of times in the first half he didn't do it properly and let his opponent go through).

I like his confidence and energy too.

For a 20 yo center playing at the Euroleague, this is ticking quite a few boxes. The only way to find out what he can do it the NBA is ofc to have him play here.

@oldtype How do we know that rebounding is particularly translatable from Europe to the NBA? Not that I disagree with what you are saying, but I'd love to see some relevant evidence.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: oldtype on January 25, 2017, 05:29:06 PM
@oldtype How do we know that rebounding is particularly translatable from Europe to the NBA? Not that I disagree with what you are saying, but I'd love to see some relevant evidence.

There seems to be a consensus among modelers that rebounding is the stat that experiences the least degradation from Euroleague -> NBA transitions.

Quote

2009 model by John Hollinger shows that when transitioning from the EuroLeague to the NBA:


•Scoring rate decreases 25 percent
•Rebound rate increases by 18 percent
•Assist rate increases by 31 percent (note: NBA assist tallying rules are much more liberal than those in Europe.)
•Shooting percentage drops by 12 percent
•Overall, player efficiency rating drops by 30 percent


Quote
http://basketball-statistics.com/euroleaguenowincludedintheboxscorepredictionsystem.html

2010 model by John Nichols, who now runs analytics for the Cavaliers.  Rebounding by far has the highest predictive value of NBA performance out of any Euroleague stat:

FGA: 0.2971
FG%: 0.3004
3PA: 0.6834
3P%: 0.7729
FTA: 0.4111
FT%: 0.6887
REB: 0.8609
AST: 0.7202
STL: 0.5606
BLK: 0.7964
TO: 0.4538
PF: 0.5432

Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: oldtype on January 25, 2017, 05:37:19 PM
Note: not to get people too excited or anything, but if we brute-force Zizic's Euroleague numbers into Hollinger's model, it projects him to average roughly 10.7 points and 14.2 rebounds per 36 minutes in the NBA.  He would put up these numbers on 55.7% shooting, which would put him in the top 10 of the entire NBA.

This, of course, does not take into account any potential improvement between this season and next.  Super-small sample size and all, but the numbers he's posting in the second-best league in the world are amazing.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: greece66 on January 25, 2017, 06:46:02 PM
@oldtype

I would think the sample size can't be too big and it doesn't say how they take account of the disparity in the quality of Euroleague teams across time. I also see this is from 2009.

But Jon Nichols must have put quite a lot of effort into this. And it is indeed very encouraging for the future of Zizic at the C's

TP for sharing.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Boris Badenov on January 25, 2017, 11:09:22 PM
Highlights from the game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45uspqsfQ9c
he looks pretty good as an under the basket type player. i dont think he can make any shots further than 5 feet from the basket. but he might yet develop a mid range shot, who knows?

he is pretty fast for a center as well. but i really enjoyed watching how he boxes out opposing players.

he may turn out to be better than steve adams, at least offensively. that would be nice.

He's a good free throw shooter.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: The One on January 27, 2017, 04:21:35 PM
https://youtu.be/zAo1CXl6GTg



16 pts and 18 rebs...this guy is "The Antidote" to "The Process"!!



Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Chris22 on January 27, 2017, 04:24:52 PM
Za Za 2.0.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: GratefulCs on January 27, 2017, 04:24:58 PM
I'M not counting on this, but imagine if zizic comes over and solves our rebounding issue for good

A man can dream..
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: greece66 on January 27, 2017, 04:57:09 PM
Za Za 2.0.

I like Pachulia, but I don't see what this comparison is based on.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: sdceltsfan on January 27, 2017, 05:11:48 PM
Reminds me of David Lee when his nickname was "the double-double machine".
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: fantankerous on January 27, 2017, 05:12:28 PM
Za Za 2.0.

I like Pachulia, but I don't see what this comparison is based on.

I don't either.  However, if he is "only" Pachulia 2.0 that's great value from r the 23rd pick.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: oldtype on January 27, 2017, 05:18:35 PM
Za Za 2.0.

I like Pachulia, but I don't see what this comparison is based on.

I think this is actually a semi-reasonable comp, given that they're both quick-footed roll-men with very good rebounding skills that have jump shots that look projectable but may or may not actually pan out (it didn't for Zaza.)  Zizic does look like he'd be a much better (but still not elite) rim protector.

During Zaza's age-20 season, he was averaging 6.2 points and 5.2 rebounds on ~18 minutes a game.  The season after, at age 21, he was starting every game and averaging 11.7 points and 7.9 rebounds on ~31 minutes.  I think we'd all be satisfied if Zizic could follow that trajectory.  (And hopefully not just peak at age 21 like Zaza did)





Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: greece66 on January 27, 2017, 07:21:19 PM
@oldtype

Thanks for taking the time to answer in detail and providing specific metrics for Zaza.

Point taken.

Since you touched on this issue, I write quickly my thoughts on Zizic and midrange shots. afaik Zizic takes no midrange jumpshots. I mean this in the most literal sense, there are whole games when he does not shoot outside the paint (see also Androslav's excellent post earlier in the thread). The reason people keep coming back to Zizic's midrange shot is his good FT% and a couple of shots he has made in the Euroleague.

Btw, if someone knows of a source that keeps of the distance from which players shoot in the Euroleague (and even better national leagues too), it would be very useful not only here but in discussions of non-US college prospects in general.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: The One on January 27, 2017, 07:30:42 PM
Perhaps he could be as good as Steven Adams someday.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: chilidawg on January 27, 2017, 07:31:56 PM
Za Za 2.0.

I like Pachulia, but I don't see what this comparison is based on.

Same number of Z's.  There is no better predictor of future success.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: greece66 on January 27, 2017, 10:23:13 PM
Za Za 2.0.

I like Pachulia, but I don't see what this comparison is based on.

Same number of Z's.  There is no better predictor of future success.

Hopefully Ante will become our Zhaquille O'Zeal.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Androslav on January 28, 2017, 03:28:55 PM
Za Za 2.0.

I like Pachulia, but I don't see what this comparison is based on.

Same number of Z's.  There is no better predictor of future success.

Hopefully Ante will become our Zhaquille O'Zeal.
And not ZhiZhi Chang.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: apc on February 02, 2017, 03:09:51 PM
Zizic playing now, started the game good.

http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=162&seasoncode=E2016
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: aingeforthree on February 02, 2017, 03:28:28 PM
Zizic playing now, started the game good.

http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=162&seasoncode=E2016

Looks good
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: rollie mass on February 02, 2017, 04:46:57 PM
ante zizic 17pts ,8 rebounds ,3 offensive two blocks  7/10 fg and 3/4 from line
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: oldtype on February 02, 2017, 04:47:44 PM
17/8 with 2 blocks on 70% shooting in 25 minutes. 

It's not a fluke: he's one of the best starting centers in Euroleague at age 20.  I am very, very impressed.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: safecracker on February 05, 2017, 10:34:41 PM
Semih Erden and Darussafaka Dogus part ways: http://www.eurohoops.net/en/euroleague/396411/semih-erden-darussafaka-dogus-part-ways/ (http://www.eurohoops.net/en/euroleague/396411/semih-erden-darussafaka-dogus-part-ways/)
Erden has been hurt, obviously a reason for bringing in Zizic. He will now be their undisputed #1 center.
I hope they sneak into the playoffs - it would be interesting to see Zizic go up against Real Madrid.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: apc on February 10, 2017, 02:01:45 PM
14 points today 6/7. 10 rebounds 4 offensive.
I also noticed he usually leads his team in  index ratings (don't know what the calculation is...) 
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: saltlover on February 10, 2017, 02:11:16 PM
14 points today 6/7. 10 rebounds 4 offensive.
I also noticed he usually leads his team in  index ratings (don't know what the calculation is...)

PIR is something like point+rebounds+assists+steals+blocks-TOs.  It correlates with having played well, but is obviously missing context.  It's the stat to use for choosing fantasy players, however.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: The One on February 10, 2017, 02:14:18 PM
He looks like a winner, winner...chicken dinner!
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: apc on February 10, 2017, 02:19:42 PM
14 points today 6/7. 10 rebounds 4 offensive.
I also noticed he usually leads his team in  index ratings (don't know what the calculation is...)

PIR is something like point+rebounds+assists+steals+blocks-TOs.  It correlates with having played well, but is obviously missing context.  It's the stat to use for choosing fantasy players, however.
Dude, you like know everything ha?

Trying to TP but..."Sorry, you can't repeat a karma action without waiting 1 hours."
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: oldtype on February 10, 2017, 02:22:36 PM
Even just the consistency alone is really, really impressive.

I originally thought this guy might replace Zeller's minutes next year.  Maybe he has a shot at replacing Amir's by the end of next season. (I figure Brad is going to start out by giving him 5mpg, because that's how Brad rolls.)
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on February 10, 2017, 02:29:26 PM
14 points today 6/7. 10 rebounds 4 offensive.
I also noticed he usually leads his team in  index ratings (don't know what the calculation is...)

PIR is something like point+rebounds+assists+steals+blocks-TOs.  It correlates with having played well, but is obviously missing context.  It's the stat to use for choosing fantasy players, however.
Dude, you like know everything ha?

Trying to TP but..."Sorry, you can't repeat a karma action without waiting 1 hours."
yep, salty is good. i am glad he is here. and dont fret the tp, i gave him one too.  ;D
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: saltlover on February 10, 2017, 02:30:43 PM
14 points today 6/7. 10 rebounds 4 offensive.
I also noticed he usually leads his team in  index ratings (don't know what the calculation is...)

PIR is something like point+rebounds+assists+steals+blocks-TOs.  It correlates with having played well, but is obviously missing context.  It's the stat to use for choosing fantasy players, however.
Dude, you like know everything ha?

Trying to TP but..."Sorry, you can't repeat a karma action without waiting 1 hours."
yep, salty is good. i am glad he is here. and dont fret the tp, i gave him one too.  ;D

Lol, thanks everyone!  TPs all around!
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: OldSchoolDude on February 10, 2017, 02:54:21 PM
Could it be the zizic's rapid development is why we haven't broken up our core to get a big man?
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: rollie mass on February 10, 2017, 03:09:40 PM
zizic has a double /double  against gigi dantome's team
i think it was 14pt's and 10 boards
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Walter Moss on February 10, 2017, 03:32:53 PM
https://twitter.com/EuroLeague/status/830112099259076608

https://twitter.com/EurohoopsTR/status/830114733898481665
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Granath on February 10, 2017, 03:36:45 PM
That's a big man-child.  :)
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: apc on February 10, 2017, 03:37:10 PM
https://twitter.com/EuroLeague/status/830112099259076608

https://twitter.com/EurohoopsTR/status/830114733898481665
Nice! our next enforcer!
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Walter Moss on February 10, 2017, 03:41:20 PM
top 10 of this year's draft easily
best young center in Europe right now and its not even close
Danny couldnt draft they said
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: apc on February 10, 2017, 03:54:24 PM
Looks like he was matched today with 2 ex-NBA centers - Udoh Ekpe and Pero Antic.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Vermont Green on February 10, 2017, 04:26:56 PM
He looks like what Gronk would look like if Gronk were a basketball player.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: greece66 on February 10, 2017, 04:31:43 PM
He looks like what Gronk would look like if Gronk were a basketball player.

Zizic is 15 cms taller and weighs 3 kgs less than Gronkowski.

Physique apart, he seems very different character wise too.

PS I understand the comment was tongue in cheek, but still that comparison made me cringe.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: KG Living Legend on February 10, 2017, 04:39:41 PM

 I spent a fair amount of time scouting both Zubac and Zizic I still feel confident that Zizic is a better prospect even though Zubac is off to a good start.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on February 10, 2017, 04:42:59 PM

 I spent a fair amount of time scouting both Zubac and Zizic I still feel confident that Zizic is a better prospect even though Zubac is off to a good start.
from what little i know, i would agree with your assessment. from limited videos, zizic looks to be quicker, more athletic.

if he can get a mid range jump shot he is good to go in the nba.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: kozlodoev on February 10, 2017, 04:58:51 PM
https://twitter.com/EuroLeague/status/830112099259076608

https://twitter.com/EurohoopsTR/status/830114733898481665
Nice! our next enforcer!
That little chin-up on the ring will quickly get him a T in the NBA, though ;)
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Androslav on February 10, 2017, 05:44:40 PM

 I spent a fair amount of time scouting both Zubac and Zizic I still feel confident that Zizic is a better prospect even though Zubac is off to a good start.
Žižić looks much more switchable, along with his interior presence. Zubac will never be able to go far away from the basket. Zubac has softer touch.
I see the center position as a defense-first one.
In that sense Žižić looks like a better bet to me aswell.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Surferdad on February 10, 2017, 06:08:11 PM
Za Za 2.0.

I like Pachulia, but I don't see what this comparison is based on.

Same number of Z's.  There is no better predictor of future success.

Hopefully Ante will become our Zhaquille O'Zeal.
TP, LOL!
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: chilidawg on February 10, 2017, 08:38:18 PM
He looks like what Gronk would look like if Gronk were a basketball player.

I would love a 7' Gronk.  The after basket spikes would be awesome.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Boris Badenov on February 26, 2017, 05:03:56 PM
Oh boy. He hit another 15 footer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOdpWV9Ydhc

Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Sketch5 on February 26, 2017, 05:27:17 PM
Oh boy. He hit another 15 footer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOdpWV9Ydhc

If he can hit that 15 footer with consistency That would be great. I hope he comes over this summer.

Also Yabu had 31pt and 13reb last week, and looked really good. It is China, but still. 
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: KG Living Legend on February 26, 2017, 05:59:53 PM

 I spent a fair amount of time scouting both Zubac and Zizic I still feel confident that Zizic is a better prospect even though Zubac is off to a good start.
Žižić looks much more switchable, along with his interior presence. Zubac will never be able to go far away from the basket. Zubac has softer touch.
I see the center position as a defense-first one.
In that sense Žižić looks like a better bet to me aswell.



 That's a TP Andro.

 I felt the Same way predraft and Zizic was the only player I've ever correctly picked for the Celtics in that slot.

 Andro what's with the name Andro? Just curious.

 
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on March 11, 2017, 09:21:08 AM
Like to see this.... At 1:27... Good looking form. Maybe it can be extended out to the 3

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=RcWg9rb1Qsw
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on March 11, 2017, 09:54:02 AM
tp for the video.

yes, his form looks fine on the mid range shots i have see, which means less than a dozen. :)

i think zizic will be a good nba player and help the celtics. he plays in the pick and roll very well.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: footey on March 11, 2017, 10:16:22 AM
Like to see this.... At 1:27... Good looking form. Maybe it can be extended out to the 3

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=RcWg9rb1Qsw

Zizic looks like a younger, longer version of Al Horford.

How cool is that?
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: hpantazo on March 11, 2017, 10:33:56 AM
Ante looking good!! He shoots with the wrong hand when he goes to the left in the post though, he's got to develop that left handed shot inside.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: footey on March 11, 2017, 10:51:51 AM
His good foul shooting projects well for outside shot including 3 pointer. Practice.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Androslav on March 12, 2017, 04:53:17 AM

 I spent a fair amount of time scouting both Zubac and Zizic I still feel confident that Zizic is a better prospect even though Zubac is off to a good start.
Žižić looks much more switchable, along with his interior presence. Zubac will never be able to go far away from the basket. Zubac has softer touch.
I see the center position as a defense-first one.
In that sense Žižić looks like a better bet to me aswell.



 That's a TP Andro.

 I felt the Same way predraft and Zizic was the only player I've ever correctly picked for the Celtics in that slot.

 Andro what's with the name Andro? Just curious.
It is common Croatian name, like almost all western words it derived from Greek word. Name is represented mostly in the Dubrovnik city area, meaning brave and manly. Croatian male names often end on a letter "O".
In my case there was some cosmic togetherness involved, since, when my mom was pregnant, my aunt saw our basketball olympian Andro Knego (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andro_Knego) in a tram, and proposed  the name to my parents. With my father being a Cibona Zagreb season ticket holder and with Andro Knego being what he was (80s mans man), my mother agreed. Some of that basketball root definitely stuck on me. Sorry if I took it to detail too much.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: kraidstar on March 12, 2017, 09:06:57 AM

 I spent a fair amount of time scouting both Zubac and Zizic I still feel confident that Zizic is a better prospect even though Zubac is off to a good start.
Žižić looks much more switchable, along with his interior presence. Zubac will never be able to go far away from the basket. Zubac has softer touch.
I see the center position as a defense-first one.
In that sense Žižić looks like a better bet to me aswell.



 That's a TP Andro.

 I felt the Same way predraft and Zizic was the only player I've ever correctly picked for the Celtics in that slot.

 Andro what's with the name Andro? Just curious.
It is common Croatian name, like almost all western words it derived from Greek word. Name is represented mostly in the Dubrovnik city area, meaning brave and manly. Croatian male names often end on a letter "O".
In my case there was some cosmic togetherness involved, since, when my mom was pregnant, my aunt saw our basketball olympian Andro Knego (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andro_Knego) in a tram, and proposed  the name to my parents. With my father being a Cibona Zagreb season ticket holder and with Andro Knego being what he was (80s mans man), my mother agreed. Some of that basketball root definitely stuck on me. Sorry if I took it to detail too much.

TP, that is a great story
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: moiso on March 12, 2017, 09:43:33 AM
And Andro was the bodybuilding supplement that reporters saw in Mark McGuire's locker.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: apc on March 17, 2017, 03:48:31 PM
Good game for Zizic.
10 point 3/4
4/6 ft
13 rebounds
is team won vs Barcelona.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: blink on March 17, 2017, 03:59:54 PM
Like to see this.... At 1:27... Good looking form. Maybe it can be extended out to the 3

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=RcWg9rb1Qsw

It looks like Zizic was going up against Colton Iverson in part of the clip as well.
thanks for the link.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: The One on March 17, 2017, 04:05:04 PM
Enjoy the write up as well!

http://www.vijesti.rtl.hr/sport/kosarka/2650413/zizicev-double-double-u-pobjedi-darusafake-nad-tomicevom-barcelonom/
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on March 17, 2017, 06:08:45 PM
Enjoy the write up as well!

http://www.vijesti.rtl.hr/sport/kosarka/2650413/zizicev-double-double-u-pobjedi-darusafake-nad-tomicevom-barcelonom/


The write-up was the best part. especially this...

Ubacila je Darušafaka u brzinu više i nakon šest vezanih poena Willa Clyburna povela s četiri razlike (19:15).

Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Who on March 17, 2017, 06:16:13 PM
Physically and athletically, Zizic reminds me some of Cole Aldrich. The way Zizic moves reminds me of Aldrich. The athleticism, the quickness, the leaping ability reminds me of Aldrich.

Clearly more comfortable in the post on offense than Aldrich. Plus looks an inch or so taller.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on March 17, 2017, 06:23:14 PM
Physically and athletically, Zizic reminds me some of Cole Aldrich. The way Zizic moves reminds me of Aldrich. The athleticism, the quickness, the leaping ability reminds me of Aldrich.

Clearly more comfortable in the post on offense than Aldrich. Plus looks an inch or so taller.

Wow, let's hope he is NOT Cole Aldrich and his career 3.3 pts 3.5 TRB/game  :police: ;D
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: The One on March 20, 2017, 10:00:03 AM
"Want some good news, #Celtics fans? @ante_zizic got 18 points (7/7 FG, 4/5 FT) and six boards in 21 minutes as Darussafaka won 88-57 in TBL."

https://twitter.com/Timi_093

"Ante Zizic stood out once again for the winners, as he finished the game with 18 points and 6 rebounds, followed by double-digit performances by Will Clyburn (17p.) and Scottie Wilbekin (11 p.)."

http://www.eurohoops.net/en/tbl/419602/zizic-leads-darussafaka-road-win-ted-kolejliler/

Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: oldtype on March 20, 2017, 01:47:25 PM
Physically and athletically, Zizic reminds me some of Cole Aldrich. The way Zizic moves reminds me of Aldrich. The athleticism, the quickness, the leaping ability reminds me of Aldrich.

Clearly more comfortable in the post on offense than Aldrich. Plus looks an inch or so taller.

How many white seven-footers are left for us to compare him to in this thread?
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on March 20, 2017, 01:51:27 PM
Physically and athletically, Zizic reminds me some of Cole Aldrich. The way Zizic moves reminds me of Aldrich. The athleticism, the quickness, the leaping ability reminds me of Aldrich.

Clearly more comfortable in the post on offense than Aldrich. Plus looks an inch or so taller.

How many white seven-footers are left for us to compare him to in this thread?

Have you covered all the Plumlees and Zellers?
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: footey on March 20, 2017, 02:01:18 PM
Physically and athletically, Zizic reminds me some of Cole Aldrich. The way Zizic moves reminds me of Aldrich. The athleticism, the quickness, the leaping ability reminds me of Aldrich.

Clearly more comfortable in the post on offense than Aldrich. Plus looks an inch or so taller.

How many white seven-footers are left for us to compare him to in this thread?

I've compared him to Al Horford and Kendrick Perkins several times. Both in terms of body type, run gate and playing style.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Emmette Bryant on March 20, 2017, 02:04:50 PM
Physically and athletically, Zizic reminds me some of Cole Aldrich. The way Zizic moves reminds me of Aldrich. The athleticism, the quickness, the leaping ability reminds me of Aldrich.

Clearly more comfortable in the post on offense than Aldrich. Plus looks an inch or so taller.

How many white seven-footers are left for us to compare him to in this thread?

Well now that you mention it, Tom Boerwinkle comes to mind.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Denis998 on March 20, 2017, 02:05:20 PM
Hes like a modern Moses Malone
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Who on March 20, 2017, 03:39:48 PM
Physically and athletically, Zizic reminds me some of Cole Aldrich. The way Zizic moves reminds me of Aldrich. The athleticism, the quickness, the leaping ability reminds me of Aldrich.

Clearly more comfortable in the post on offense than Aldrich. Plus looks an inch or so taller.

How many white seven-footers are left for us to compare him to in this thread?

I've compared him to Al Horford and Kendrick Perkins several times. Both in terms of body type, run gate and playing style.

I like the K.Perkins one. The time it takes them to gather and jump. Perk like Aldrich too.

Zizic less athletic than Valanciunas and Valanciunas is a below par NBA athlete at center.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Surferdad on March 20, 2017, 03:47:27 PM
Physically and athletically, Zizic reminds me some of Cole Aldrich. The way Zizic moves reminds me of Aldrich. The athleticism, the quickness, the leaping ability reminds me of Aldrich.

Clearly more comfortable in the post on offense than Aldrich. Plus looks an inch or so taller.

How many white seven-footers are left for us to compare him to in this thread?

I've compared him to Al Horford and Kendrick Perkins several times. Both in terms of body type, run gate and playing style.

I like the K.Perkins one. The time it takes them to gather and jump. Perk like Aldrich too.

Zizic less athletic than Valanciunas and Valanciunas is a below par NBA athlete at center.
There's been so much gushing about this kid, it's nice to see his deficiencies noted.  So, what I am hearing (and seeing in film) is that Zizic is a below-average athlete who can't shoot from the outside and his inside game is based on power, not quickness.  He doesn't sound like the kind of front-court player who will fit into Brad's system.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: RockinRyA on March 22, 2017, 11:12:13 AM
Physically and athletically, Zizic reminds me some of Cole Aldrich. The way Zizic moves reminds me of Aldrich. The athleticism, the quickness, the leaping ability reminds me of Aldrich.

Clearly more comfortable in the post on offense than Aldrich. Plus looks an inch or so taller.

How many white seven-footers are left for us to compare him to in this thread?

I've compared him to Al Horford and Kendrick Perkins several times. Both in terms of body type, run gate and playing style.

I like the K.Perkins one. The time it takes them to gather and jump. Perk like Aldrich too.

Zizic less athletic than Valanciunas and Valanciunas is a below par NBA athlete at center.
There's been so much gushing about this kid, it's nice to see his deficiencies noted.  So, what I am hearing (and seeing in film) is that Zizic is a below-average athlete who can't shoot from the outside and his inside game is based on power, not quickness.  He doesn't sound like the kind of front-court player who will fit into Brad's system.

He can pass, he has decent touch from the outside, he is good at running the break. He needs time to take off, but that doesnt mean he is slow. There's a reason the staff (Brad included mind you) likes him, along with the scouts and several teams.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: kozlodoev on March 22, 2017, 11:27:00 AM
Physically and athletically, Zizic reminds me some of Cole Aldrich. The way Zizic moves reminds me of Aldrich. The athleticism, the quickness, the leaping ability reminds me of Aldrich.

Clearly more comfortable in the post on offense than Aldrich. Plus looks an inch or so taller.

How many white seven-footers are left for us to compare him to in this thread?

Well now that you mention it, Tom Boerwinkle comes to mind.
There's always the immortal Dwayne Schintzius, too.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: detour on March 22, 2017, 11:40:55 AM
Today Zizic and Blatt will go up against CSKA Moscow, last champion in Euroleague. Darüşşafaka badly needs a win in Moscow to stay alive in the playoff race. Game is 20 minutes later (12.00 Boston time I guess)
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: chilidawg on March 22, 2017, 11:46:05 AM
Physically and athletically, Zizic reminds me some of Cole Aldrich. The way Zizic moves reminds me of Aldrich. The athleticism, the quickness, the leaping ability reminds me of Aldrich.

Clearly more comfortable in the post on offense than Aldrich. Plus looks an inch or so taller.



How many white seven-footers are left for us to compare him to in this thread?

I've compared him to Al Horford and Kendrick Perkins several times. Both in terms of body type, run gate and playing style.

I like the K.Perkins one. The time it takes them to gather and jump. Perk like Aldrich too.

Zizic less athletic than Valanciunas and Valanciunas is a below par NBA athlete at center.
There's been so much gushing about this kid, it's nice to see his deficiencies noted.  So, what I am hearing (and seeing in film) is that Zizic is a below-average athlete who can't shoot from the outside and his inside game is based on power, not quickness.  He doesn't sound like the kind of front-court player who will fit into Brad's system.

Not sure where you get the "below-average athlete".  He certainly doesn't appear that to me.  Much more athletic than a guy like Perkins.  And he does appear to have a decent mid range game, and certainly is a good free throw shooter.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: positivitize on March 22, 2017, 12:03:42 PM
Anyone got a link to a stream for zizic's game?
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: kozlodoev on March 22, 2017, 12:08:24 PM
Not sure where you get the "below-average athlete".  He certainly doesn't appear that to me.  Much more athletic than a guy like Perkins.  And he does appear to have a decent mid range game, and certainly is a good free throw shooter.
Looking at the ample video materials provided in this thread, Zizic looks neither particularly quick closing up space under the basket, or particularly explosive getting off the ground for rebounds or blocks. I haven't seen anything that suggests he's particularly agile, either. I think the below-average athlete is probably fair.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: chilidawg on March 22, 2017, 12:21:39 PM
Not sure where you get the "below-average athlete".  He certainly doesn't appear that to me.  Much more athletic than a guy like Perkins.  And he does appear to have a decent mid range game, and certainly is a good free throw shooter.
Looking at the ample video materials provided in this thread, Zizic looks neither particularly quick closing up space under the basket, or particularly explosive getting off the ground for rebounds or blocks. I haven't seen anything that suggests he's particularly agile, either. I think the below-average athlete is probably fair.

Here's what Draft Express has to say about him:

NBA teams may wonder what it is that separates Zizic as a starting caliber prospect, as there is nothing extraordinary about his size, length, athleticism or skill-set, even if there's nothing particularly deficient about any of those areas either. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ante-Zizic-68722/ ©DraftExpress

So I'd guess average is probably appropriate.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: smokeablount on March 22, 2017, 12:21:47 PM
Not sure where you get the "below-average athlete".  He certainly doesn't appear that to me.  Much more athletic than a guy like Perkins.  And he does appear to have a decent mid range game, and certainly is a good free throw shooter.
Looking at the ample video materials provided in this thread, Zizic looks neither particularly quick closing up space under the basket, or particularly explosive getting off the ground for rebounds or blocks. I haven't seen anything that suggests he's particularly agile, either. I think the below-average athlete is probably fair.

I think it is wise to expect this kid is on the team next year but comes off the bench, not that he is penciled in as a starter next to Horford this early in the game.  And as a side note, I wouldn't even be certain Yab is on the team next year, let alone a key contributor.  These kids are still both so young and while Zizic is playing some good competition, he'd still be a fresh faced kid on a top 5 NBA team.  We're weak upfront so if he comes in hot for us, great... but if not, it's ok.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: kozlodoev on March 22, 2017, 12:30:48 PM
Not sure where you get the "below-average athlete".  He certainly doesn't appear that to me.  Much more athletic than a guy like Perkins.  And he does appear to have a decent mid range game, and certainly is a good free throw shooter.
Looking at the ample video materials provided in this thread, Zizic looks neither particularly quick closing up space under the basket, or particularly explosive getting off the ground for rebounds or blocks. I haven't seen anything that suggests he's particularly agile, either. I think the below-average athlete is probably fair.

Here's what Draft Express has to say about him:

NBA teams may wonder what it is that separates Zizic as a starting caliber prospect, as there is nothing extraordinary about his size, length, athleticism or skill-set, even if there's nothing particularly deficient about any of those areas either. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ante-Zizic-68722/ ©DraftExpress

So I'd guess average is probably appropriate.
Come on. That scouting report also raves about his "strong leaping ability", and in my book he is "adequate" in this department at best.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: liam on March 22, 2017, 12:47:54 PM
Not sure where you get the "below-average athlete".  He certainly doesn't appear that to me.  Much more athletic than a guy like Perkins.  And he does appear to have a decent mid range game, and certainly is a good free throw shooter.
Looking at the ample video materials provided in this thread, Zizic looks neither particularly quick closing up space under the basket, or particularly explosive getting off the ground for rebounds or blocks. I haven't seen anything that suggests he's particularly agile, either. I think the below-average athlete is probably fair.

Zizic looks more mobil and athletic than Lauri Markkanen to my eye. Zizic moves with purpose and has a high BBIQ. I can't wait for summer league.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: chilidawg on March 22, 2017, 01:00:20 PM
Not sure where you get the "below-average athlete".  He certainly doesn't appear that to me.  Much more athletic than a guy like Perkins.  And he does appear to have a decent mid range game, and certainly is a good free throw shooter.
Looking at the ample video materials provided in this thread, Zizic looks neither particularly quick closing up space under the basket, or particularly explosive getting off the ground for rebounds or blocks. I haven't seen anything that suggests he's particularly agile, either. I think the below-average athlete is probably fair.

Here's what Draft Express has to say about him:

NBA teams may wonder what it is that separates Zizic as a starting caliber prospect, as there is nothing extraordinary about his size, length, athleticism or skill-set, even if there's nothing particularly deficient about any of those areas either. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ante-Zizic-68722/ ©DraftExpress

So I'd guess average is probably appropriate.
Come on. That scouting report also raves about his "strong leaping ability", and in my book he is "adequate" in this department at best.

Okay, you're right.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: OldSchoolDude on March 22, 2017, 01:20:48 PM
Not sure where you get the "below-average athlete".  He certainly doesn't appear that to me.  Much more athletic than a guy like Perkins.  And he does appear to have a decent mid range game, and certainly is a good free throw shooter.
Looking at the ample video materials provided in this thread, Zizic looks neither particularly quick closing up space under the basket, or particularly explosive getting off the ground for rebounds or blocks. I haven't seen anything that suggests he's particularly agile, either. I think the below-average athlete is probably fair.

Here's what Draft Express has to say about him:

NBA teams may wonder what it is that separates Zizic as a starting caliber prospect, as there is nothing extraordinary about his size, length, athleticism or skill-set, even if there's nothing particularly deficient about any of those areas either. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ante-Zizic-68722/ ©DraftExpress

So I'd guess average is probably appropriate.
Come on. That scouting report also raves about his "strong leaping ability", and in my book he is "adequate" in this department at best.

Okay, you're right.

So the article was published about a moth after he turned 19.  It looks at his play as an 18 year old.  Right now the people that are all aboard the Zizic Hype train are looking at his play at 19 and now at 20.  He is not the same player now, at 20, that he was at 18.  In fact the positive reports about him talk about how fast he has improved and some even how surprising it is that he was able to improve the areas of his game the way he has and as fast as he has. 

18 year old Zizic looked to be a fringe NBA rotational player at best.
19 year old Zizic posted better Stats at 19 then every European big man (Center) that has come to the NBA except for Darko Milicic, who really failed because he was nuts and hd zero mental aptitude for the NBA game.
20 year old Zizic looks like a good NBA rotational player at worst and more likely a quality NBA starter.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: The One on April 04, 2017, 08:50:23 AM
So what's happening to his minutes??

The last three games...only 10 minutes per game??

Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: positivitize on April 04, 2017, 10:26:53 AM
So what's happening to his minutes??

The last three games...only 10 minutes per game??

Playoffs. European clubs play the vets in playoff games.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: The One on April 04, 2017, 12:07:34 PM
So what's happening to his minutes??

The last three games...only 10 minutes per game??

Playoffs. European clubs play the vets in playoff games.

TP!
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: saltlover on April 04, 2017, 12:36:00 PM
So what's happening to his minutes??

The last three games...only 10 minutes per game??

Playoffs. European clubs play the vets in playoff games.

Incorrect.  Euroleague playoffs have not started yet.  Zizic' team has one more game in the regular season, and they are 9th with only the top 8 teams making it.  They need to win, have the top team ahead of them lose, and then win the tiebreaker (which I believe is point differential, and they're over 30 back in that category).  So the odds of them making Euroleague playoffs is low.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: oldtype on April 04, 2017, 12:51:42 PM
Kind of odd. Maybe they're feeling some pressure not to play the guy who's leaving at the end of the season?
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: hpantazo on April 04, 2017, 01:22:31 PM
So what's happening to his minutes??

The last three games...only 10 minutes per game??

Playoffs. European clubs play the vets in playoff games.

Incorrect.  Euroleague playoffs have not started yet.  Zizic' team has one more game in the regular season, and they are 9th with only the top 8 teams making it.  They need to win, have the top team ahead of them lose, and then win the tiebreaker (which I believe is point differential, and they're over 30 back in that category).  So the odds of them making Euroleague playoffs is low.

Then it sounds like what happens in the NBA when teams are basically out of the playoffs picture, they develop the future, and they know he is not in their future plans.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: saltlover on April 04, 2017, 01:26:06 PM
So what's happening to his minutes??

The last three games...only 10 minutes per game??

Playoffs. European clubs play the vets in playoff games.

Incorrect.  Euroleague playoffs have not started yet.  Zizic' team has one more game in the regular season, and they are 9th with only the top 8 teams making it.  They need to win, have the top team ahead of them lose, and then win the tiebreaker (which I believe is point differential, and they're over 30 back in that category).  So the odds of them making Euroleague playoffs is low.

Then it sounds like what happens in the NBA when teams are basically out of the playoffs picture, they develop the future, and they know he is not in their future plans.

Not really.  They've been one game back of the playoffs for about the last four games.  And they also have Turkish League games, in which they're tied for 4th out of 16 teams.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: hpantazo on April 04, 2017, 01:36:27 PM
So what's happening to his minutes??

The last three games...only 10 minutes per game??

Playoffs. European clubs play the vets in playoff games.

Incorrect.  Euroleague playoffs have not started yet.  Zizic' team has one more game in the regular season, and they are 9th with only the top 8 teams making it.  They need to win, have the top team ahead of them lose, and then win the tiebreaker (which I believe is point differential, and they're over 30 back in that category).  So the odds of them making Euroleague playoffs is low.

Then it sounds like what happens in the NBA when teams are basically out of the playoffs picture, they develop the future, and they know he is not in their future plans.

Not really.  They've been one game back of the playoffs for about the last four games.  And they also have Turkish League games, in which they're tied for 4th out of 16 teams.

Either way, Zizic has already done his job and greatly raised his value as a prospect, improved his game, and remained healthy. They know he's gone very soon, he'll be heading over here early enough to join our summer league squad. I'm sure they have no interest investing much more in him at the expense of players who will stay there long term.

It could even be that Zizic's agent and or Ainge asked Blatt to hold down his minutes the rest of the way to prevent injury
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: viulo on April 04, 2017, 03:23:16 PM
So what's happening to his minutes??

The last three games...only 10 minutes per game??

Playoffs. European clubs play the vets in playoff games.

Incorrect.  Euroleague playoffs have not started yet.  Zizic' team has one more game in the regular season, and they are 9th with only the top 8 teams making it.  They need to win, have the top team ahead of them lose, and then win the tiebreaker (which I believe is point differential, and they're over 30 back in that category).  So the odds of them making Euroleague playoffs is low.

Actually, their last match is at home against the team ahead of them in the standigs (Red Star Belgrade). Darussafaka won in Serbia so if they win they'll own the tie breaker (it's head to head). So whoever wins goes through, most important match of the season, probably... Let's see if Zizic starts...
It's this friday.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: saltlover on April 04, 2017, 03:39:46 PM
So what's happening to his minutes??

The last three games...only 10 minutes per game??

Playoffs. European clubs play the vets in playoff games.

Incorrect.  Euroleague playoffs have not started yet.  Zizic' team has one more game in the regular season, and they are 9th with only the top 8 teams making it.  They need to win, have the top team ahead of them lose, and then win the tiebreaker (which I believe is point differential, and they're over 30 back in that category).  So the odds of them making Euroleague playoffs is low.

Actually, their last match is at home against the team ahead of them in the standigs (Red Star Belgrade). Darussafaka won in Serbia so if they win they'll own the tie breaker (it's head to head). So whoever wins goes through, most important match of the season, probably... Let's see if Zizic starts...
It's this friday.

Thanks for the update.  Hadn't looked at the schedule to see they had a chance.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: OldSchoolDude on April 05, 2017, 01:16:39 PM
European clubs don't distribute minutes the same way American clubs do.  They will play an older vet over a better young kid time and time again. We wouldn't do that here because we want the win too much, well Doc might  ;).  They want the win too, but they want to win playing the euro league way.  Also, there are roster restrictions on non native players and there may be some under the table influences limiting the minutes of the non Turkish kid who is one - leavening and two - making the Native players look bad.   I'm thinking the Turkish people have seen enough of him and are ready for him to go.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: viulo on April 08, 2017, 02:28:21 PM
Darussafaka beats Red Star and gets the eighth and final play-off spot.
Zizic starts, plays 26 minutes, with 11 points (5/5 from the field, 1/4 from the line), 8 rebounds (4 offensive) and 1 block.
So, when it really mattered, Blatt had total confidence in him.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on April 08, 2017, 02:58:22 PM
this is a super nit-picky concern, but I wish more of his boards were defensive rebounds.

Now I know that sounds bad, but 4 offensive boards means only 4 defensive boards and I dont really care about the offensive glass.

Obviously a possession is a possession, but I would rather be able to protect our defensive glass. That is where our current issue is and I had kinda hoped Zizic would go a long way to remedy that issue.

Again, its great that he rebounds terrifically on the offensive glass, I just would rather he get more defensive rebounds.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on April 08, 2017, 04:12:14 PM
this is a super nit-picky concern, but I wish more of his boards were defensive rebounds.

Now I know that sounds bad, but 4 offensive boards means only 4 defensive boards and I dont really care about the offensive glass.

Obviously a possession is a possession, but I would rather be able to protect our defensive glass. That is where our current issue is and I had kinda hoped Zizic would go a long way to remedy that issue.

Again, its great that he rebounds terrifically on the offensive glass, I just would rather he get more defensive rebounds.
It is one game.  Don't worry.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: chilidawg on April 08, 2017, 04:33:38 PM
European clubs don't distribute minutes the same way American clubs do.  They will play an older vet over a better young kid time and time again. We wouldn't do that here because we want the win too much, well Doc might  ;).  They want the win too, but they want to win playing the euro league way.  Also, there are roster restrictions on non native players and there may be some under the table influences limiting the minutes of the non Turkish kid who is one - leavening and two - making the Native players look bad.   I'm thinking the Turkish people have seen enough of him and are ready for him to go.

Do you really know what you're talking about, or is this pure speculation?  I sure don't know, so seriously asking.
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: ederson on April 08, 2017, 05:33:03 PM
European clubs don't distribute minutes the same way American clubs do.  They will play an older vet over a better young kid time and time again. We wouldn't do that here because we want the win too much, well Doc might  ;).  They want the win too, but they want to win playing the euro league way.  Also, there are roster restrictions on non native players and there may be some under the table influences limiting the minutes of the non Turkish kid who is one - leavening and two - making the Native players look bad.   I'm thinking the Turkish people have seen enough of him and are ready for him to go.

What are you talking about? Who told something like this?

This is completely inaccurate! Euro league coaches are not stupid. They play the players who will help the the most in any given name. Blatt won't risk a play off spot  playing the worst player just because zizic will leave at the end of the season....
Title: Re: Official Ante Zizic Darussafaka Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on April 08, 2017, 08:43:49 PM
this is a super nit-picky concern, but I wish more of his boards were defensive rebounds.

Now I know that sounds bad, but 4 offensive boards means only 4 defensive boards and I dont really care about the offensive glass.

Obviously a possession is a possession, but I would rather be able to protect our defensive glass. That is where our current issue is and I had kinda hoped Zizic would go a long way to remedy that issue.

Again, its great that he rebounds terrifically on the offensive glass, I just would rather he get more defensive rebounds.
It is one game.  Don't worry.
I feel like every time I see his stats a good portion of his boards are offensive boards.

I mean its awesome, but I feel like offensive rebounding isnt a weakness.