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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: droopdog7 on April 18, 2018, 02:48:29 PM
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I mean, I know things can go wrong. Guys can get hurt (see this year), guys can clash, maybe not develop as expected and all that.
But I mean, 2019 is ours!
No other team save for GS will have the collection of versatile guys that can defend, shoot, pass, drive than the Celtics will have next year. And we'll have it 1-5 at the end of games.
Tatum and Brown will be stars NEXT YEAR, even if their numbers don't show it.
I can go on for days on this.
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Yes Virginia - we are taking it in 2019
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If the Celtics are healthy, they have an excellent shot at taking it all next season.
With or without making any major moves.
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I'd be surprised if we aren't in the Finals. From there, not so sure with GS able to return their core next year. Celts will definitely have a shot though. I think Gordon will surprise us with just how good he is, too.
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The Celtics aren't done with this yet!
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Yes. I think so. GSW look tired (from recent title and near-title runs) and ripe for a beating from a young hungry talented team. GSW not as hungry as they once were.
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Yep, back to back baby! ;)
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Gotta see what other teams do on offseason (especially 76ers), how our stars come back from injuries and how big a jump our young guys make. We will have a shot.
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I mean, I know things can go wrong. Guys can get hurt (see this year), guys can clash, maybe not develop as expected and all that.
But I mean, 2019 is ours!
No other team save for GS will have the collection of versatile guys that can defend, shoot, pass, drive than the Celtics will have next year. And we'll have it 1-5 at the end of games.
Tatum and Brown will be stars NEXT YEAR, even if their numbers don't show it.
I can go on for days on this.
I think you can look at this year much like the 2009 season with Garnett down (even though that team was proven). I would consider a healthy Celtics team likely to make the NBA Finals, but not to win.
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Yes, we are.
And I haven't given up hope for this year either.
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Sixers can't hold this teams jock!
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If the Celtics are healthy, they have an excellent shot at taking it all next season.
With or without making any major moves.
Which is exactly why Ainge shouldn't be making any major trades unless Anthony Davis suddenly becomes available (he isn't).
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If the Celtics are healthy, they have an excellent shot at taking it all next season.
With or without making any major moves.
Which is exactly why Ainge shouldn't be making any major trades unless Anthony Davis suddenly becomes available (he isn't).
Completely agree with both of these takes.
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Let's not talk about it. I fear the jinx and everything is determined on health.
Let's hope these Celts go looking enough to bring back smart, kyrie and Hayward, this year. One can dream.... 🙃
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It might be one of those years where the defending champs might or a Lebron team isn't the favorite, how's that for saying something while dodging the jinx?
But holy cow. If we can keep Monroe especially, and Irving and Gordy come back 100%, at least by Christmas... all 5 starters and at least 3 bench players could legit average 20 on most teams. That's the top 8, possibly a playoff rotation by itself. I mean, if we really did roll with those 8, we're going to see some 140, 145 point games pretty often.
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With Theis back we'll be unstoppable!
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With Theis back we'll be unstoppable!
Theis>Anthony Davis!
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2019 2018
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2019 2018
Offcourse, we would have taken it this year if it weren't for this:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=95907.0
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Nope, zero chance.
We're probably the 6th or 7th best team in the league when healthy. Most teams out west would mop the floor with us.
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Nope, zero chance.
We're probably the 6th or 7th best team in the league when healthy. Most teams out west would mop the floor with us.
Seriously man, why the need to keep trolling?
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Nope, zero chance.
We're probably the 6th or 7th best team in the league when healthy. Most teams out west would mop the floor with us.
I don't understand.
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Nope, zero chance.
We're probably the 6th or 7th best team in the league when healthy. Most teams out west would mop the floor with us.
I don't understand.
I think it is because he is afraid to be let down. Hence the rationalization, by the proclaimed lowered expectations. I just straight up believe we will win, and if we don't then we will certainly do it the year after.
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It might be one of those years where the defending champs might or a Lebron team isn't the favorite, how's that for saying something while dodging the jinx?
But holy cow. If we can keep Monroe especially, and Irving and Gordy come back 100%, at least by Christmas... all 5 starters and at least 3 bench players could legit average 20 on most teams. That's the top 8, possibly a playoff rotation by itself. I mean, if we really did roll with those 8, we're going to see some 140, 145 point games pretty often.
Don't know if it could happen, but I'd love to "keep the band together". 10-man rotation:
Horford
Irving
Hayward
Brown
Tatum
Rozier
Morris
Smart
Monroe
Theis
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It might be one of those years where the defending champs might or a Lebron team isn't the favorite, how's that for saying something while dodging the jinx?
But holy cow. If we can keep Monroe especially, and Irving and Gordy come back 100%, at least by Christmas... all 5 starters and at least 3 bench players could legit average 20 on most teams. That's the top 8, possibly a playoff rotation by itself. I mean, if we really did roll with those 8, we're going to see some 140, 145 point games pretty often.
Don't know if it could happen, but I'd love to "keep the band together". 10-man rotation:
Horford
Irving
Hayward
Brown
Tatum
Rozier
Morris
Smart
Monroe
Theis
We don't have much leverage with Monroe. From what I understand, we can only offer him $5 mil? due to the way that we signed him. I doubt that will be the highest offer.
Resigning Smart will likely put us into luxury tax depending on how much he wants and what the luxury tax is for 2019. If we use the projected numbers, it turns out to leave bout 15.5 mil worth of space for him. Anything more than that and I think that if Danny is smart, he will let Smart walk for free to avoid luxury tax for 1 more year because after 2019-2020, we're going to be in luxury for a long time. I don't see it happening because I think Smart is going to ask for and get closer to 20 mil and Danny will let him walk, otherwise the extension could have been done this season.
Rest are already under contract through 2018-2019.
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It might be one of those years where the defending champs might or a Lebron team isn't the favorite, how's that for saying something while dodging the jinx?
But holy cow. If we can keep Monroe especially, and Irving and Gordy come back 100%, at least by Christmas... all 5 starters and at least 3 bench players could legit average 20 on most teams. That's the top 8, possibly a playoff rotation by itself. I mean, if we really did roll with those 8, we're going to see some 140, 145 point games pretty often.
Don't know if it could happen, but I'd love to "keep the band together". 10-man rotation:
Horford
Irving
Hayward
Brown
Tatum
Rozier
Morris
Smart
Monroe
Theis
We don't have much leverage with Monroe. From what I understand, we can only offer him $5 mil? due to the way that we signed him. I doubt that will be the highest offer.
Resigning Smart will likely put us into luxury tax depending on how much he wants and what the luxury tax is for 2019. If we use the projected numbers, it turns out to leave bout 15.5 mil worth of space for him. Anything more than that and I think that if Danny is smart, he will let Smart walk for free to avoid luxury tax for 1 more year because after 2019-2020, we're going to be in luxury for a long time. I don't see it happening because I think Smart is going to ask for and get closer to 20 mil and Danny will let him walk, otherwise the extension could have been done this season.
Rest are already under contract through 2018-2019.
So, you're telling me, there's a chance? (insert Jim Carrey dork character asking pretty girl for a date)
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It might be one of those years where the defending champs might or a Lebron team isn't the favorite, how's that for saying something while dodging the jinx?
But holy cow. If we can keep Monroe especially, and Irving and Gordy come back 100%, at least by Christmas... all 5 starters and at least 3 bench players could legit average 20 on most teams. That's the top 8, possibly a playoff rotation by itself. I mean, if we really did roll with those 8, we're going to see some 140, 145 point games pretty often.
Don't know if it could happen, but I'd love to "keep the band together". 10-man rotation:
Horford
Irving
Hayward
Brown
Tatum
Rozier
Morris
Smart
Monroe
Theis
We don't have much leverage with Monroe. From what I understand, we can only offer him $5 mil? due to the way that we signed him. I doubt that will be the highest offer.
Resigning Smart will likely put us into luxury tax depending on how much he wants and what the luxury tax is for 2019. If we use the projected numbers, it turns out to leave bout 15.5 mil worth of space for him. Anything more than that and I think that if Danny is smart, he will let Smart walk for free to avoid luxury tax for 1 more year because after 2019-2020, we're going to be in luxury for a long time. I don't see it happening because I think Smart is going to ask for and get closer to 20 mil and Danny will let him walk, otherwise the extension could have been done this season.
Rest are already under contract through 2018-2019.
So, you're telling me, there's a chance? (insert Jim Carrey dork character asking pretty girl for a date)
Yeah there's a chance that we keep 1 of the 2 (Smart being more likely), extremely unlikely both. Does Smart value $5 mil more a season and more playing time, having the keys to the team (the team that gives him $20 mil won't be a playoff contender) more than being in Boston among a superteam? If you asked me, I would stay in Boston for less money and build a dynasty, but not everyone understands that $15 mil a year is more than enough and not everyone is capable of being the #2 guy. I'd say if you get to the level of competition of an NBA player, only a small % don't mind being someone's backup.
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2019 2018
Offcourse, we would have taken it this year if it weren't for this:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=95907.0
It ain't over yet.
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NooooooOoooohhhhooooo.....
we talking 2018
C's just now started cooking.
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I don't even want to keep Monroe over Baynes. I'd much rather have a limited offense solid defense center than the other way around.
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2019 2018
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2018 finals MVP Marcus Morris
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I don't even want to keep Monroe over Baynes. I'd much rather have a limited offense solid defense center than the other way around.
I could possibly be on board if these were static attributes, but I think it's clear that defense can be learned more easily than offense. CBS is not going to be able to teach Baynes how to score. That stuff has been cemented in your brain since you were a kid. The guy can barely make buckets without getting blocked 1 foot away. He just doesn't have very much offensive awareness. On the other hand, Greg Monroe has been playing defense since joining us and advanced analytics confirms it. He has a role: he's a big guy and the defense funnels drives directly into him. His blocks and steals per 36 minutes are both at career highs.
Monroe is just so much better of a player. Also Theis is a better version of Baynes anyways. If we could keep one of Monroe or Baynes I think Monroe is the better and less redundant pick.
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It might be one of those years where the defending champs might or a Lebron team isn't the favorite, how's that for saying something while dodging the jinx?
But holy cow. If we can keep Monroe especially, and Irving and Gordy come back 100%, at least by Christmas... all 5 starters and at least 3 bench players could legit average 20 on most teams. That's the top 8, possibly a playoff rotation by itself. I mean, if we really did roll with those 8, we're going to see some 140, 145 point games pretty often.
Don't know if it could happen, but I'd love to "keep the band together". 10-man rotation:
Horford
Irving
Hayward
Brown
Tatum
Rozier
Morris
Smart
Monroe
Theis
We don't have much leverage with Monroe. From what I understand, we can only offer him $5 mil? due to the way that we signed him. I doubt that will be the highest offer.
Resigning Smart will likely put us into luxury tax depending on how much he wants and what the luxury tax is for 2019. If we use the projected numbers, it turns out to leave bout 15.5 mil worth of space for him. Anything more than that and I think that if Danny is smart, he will let Smart walk for free to avoid luxury tax for 1 more year because after 2019-2020, we're going to be in luxury for a long time. I don't see it happening because I think Smart is going to ask for and get closer to 20 mil and Danny will let him walk, otherwise the extension could have been done this season.
Rest are already under contract through 2018-2019.
I'm ready to resign Moose and move on from Smart. He'll just be stealing minutes from Rozier at this point.
I'd love to put top priority on resigning Moose then Baynes if we can..
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I don't even want to keep Monroe over Baynes. I'd much rather have a limited offense solid defense center than the other way around.
I'd much rather Monroe really. Better rebounder (better hands, doesn't juggle them like Baynes sometimes does). Having the ability to run our offence through the high and low post with Monroe has been an absolute luxury
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It might be one of those years where the defending champs might or a Lebron team isn't the favorite, how's that for saying something while dodging the jinx?
But holy cow. If we can keep Monroe especially, and Irving and Gordy come back 100%, at least by Christmas... all 5 starters and at least 3 bench players could legit average 20 on most teams. That's the top 8, possibly a playoff rotation by itself. I mean, if we really did roll with those 8, we're going to see some 140, 145 point games pretty often.
Don't know if it could happen, but I'd love to "keep the band together". 10-man rotation:
Horford
Irving
Hayward
Brown
Tatum
Rozier
Morris
Smart
Monroe
Theis
We don't have much leverage with Monroe. From what I understand, we can only offer him $5 mil? due to the way that we signed him. I doubt that will be the highest offer.
Resigning Smart will likely put us into luxury tax depending on how much he wants and what the luxury tax is for 2019. If we use the projected numbers, it turns out to leave bout 15.5 mil worth of space for him. Anything more than that and I think that if Danny is smart, he will let Smart walk for free to avoid luxury tax for 1 more year because after 2019-2020, we're going to be in luxury for a long time. I don't see it happening because I think Smart is going to ask for and get closer to 20 mil and Danny will let him walk, otherwise the extension could have been done this season.
Rest are already under contract through 2018-2019.
I'm ready to resign Moose and move on from Smart. He'll just be stealing minutes from Rozier at this point.
I'd love to put top priority on resigning Moose then Baynes if we can..
I still lean toward Baynes over Monroe with a healthy group next season. Ideally we wont need Monroe's scoring or passing next year.
Nearly all of our best defensive lineups feature Baynes on the court. He also ranked as the 3rd best Center in DRPM. I like Baynes as a tone setter for 15-18 MPG, especially throughout the grind of an 82 game season. His offensive deficiencies will also be masked with the return of Hayward and Kyrie.
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I don't even want to keep Monroe over Baynes. I'd much rather have a limited offense solid defense center than the other way around.
I'd much rather Monroe really. Better rebounder (better hands, doesn't juggle them like Baynes sometimes does). Having the ability to run our offence through the high and low post with Monroe has been an absolute luxury
Monroe's offense on the second unit has completely been a gamechanger. Baynes is a nice guy to have but I'd prefer Monroe..
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It might be one of those years where the defending champs might or a Lebron team isn't the favorite, how's that for saying something while dodging the jinx?
But holy cow. If we can keep Monroe especially, and Irving and Gordy come back 100%, at least by Christmas... all 5 starters and at least 3 bench players could legit average 20 on most teams. That's the top 8, possibly a playoff rotation by itself. I mean, if we really did roll with those 8, we're going to see some 140, 145 point games pretty often.
Don't know if it could happen, but I'd love to "keep the band together". 10-man rotation:
Horford
Irving
Hayward
Brown
Tatum
Rozier
Morris
Smart
Monroe
Theis
We don't have much leverage with Monroe. From what I understand, we can only offer him $5 mil? due to the way that we signed him. I doubt that will be the highest offer.
Resigning Smart will likely put us into luxury tax depending on how much he wants and what the luxury tax is for 2019. If we use the projected numbers, it turns out to leave bout 15.5 mil worth of space for him. Anything more than that and I think that if Danny is smart, he will let Smart walk for free to avoid luxury tax for 1 more year because after 2019-2020, we're going to be in luxury for a long time. I don't see it happening because I think Smart is going to ask for and get closer to 20 mil and Danny will let him walk, otherwise the extension could have been done this season.
Rest are already under contract through 2018-2019.
Couple of things. We have two ways of signing both Monroe and Baynes. We can give them a contract with first year being 20% higher than this year with 5% increases for each year thereafter. So Baynes starting at $5.4 million per and Monroe at $6 million. If we don't become a taxpayer first, we also have the MLE worth about $8.7 million per who if we thought one of those players were worth it we could give to them instead of the 20% raise route. We only have one MLE.
Second, Smart is a RFA that has shown to be a horrible shooter, extremely inefficient scorer, with poor decision making ability at times that is a great defender. Players like him don't make $15 million per season and there certainly isn't anyone out there giving him $20 million per. Ainge didn't give Smart an extension meaning there was definitely a decent gap in values between what management and Smart thought he was worth. My guess is Smart punching a picture and cutting himself costing him 11 games didn't help his value.
In a market thats very limited and given Smart is a RFA, I have trouble seeing Smart getting more than Andre Roverson money of $10 million per and doubt he will get even that. My guess is some team will offer the MLE, around $8.7 per year.
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Nope, zero chance.
We're probably the 6th or 7th best team in the league when healthy. Most teams out west would mop the floor with us.
Except with everyone injured we were the 4th best team this year.
Truly think you are having this hot take just to get a reaction. If not, I would recommend you back up this opinion with reasons you feel that way, maybe even backed up with some stats or similar opinions being made by experts to give credence to your opinion.
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It might be one of those years where the defending champs might or a Lebron team isn't the favorite, how's that for saying something while dodging the jinx?
But holy cow. If we can keep Monroe especially, and Irving and Gordy come back 100%, at least by Christmas... all 5 starters and at least 3 bench players could legit average 20 on most teams. That's the top 8, possibly a playoff rotation by itself. I mean, if we really did roll with those 8, we're going to see some 140, 145 point games pretty often.
Don't know if it could happen, but I'd love to "keep the band together". 10-man rotation:
Horford
Irving
Hayward
Brown
Tatum
Rozier
Morris
Smart
Monroe
Theis
We don't have much leverage with Monroe. From what I understand, we can only offer him $5 mil? due to the way that we signed him. I doubt that will be the highest offer.
Resigning Smart will likely put us into luxury tax depending on how much he wants and what the luxury tax is for 2019. If we use the projected numbers, it turns out to leave bout 15.5 mil worth of space for him. Anything more than that and I think that if Danny is smart, he will let Smart walk for free to avoid luxury tax for 1 more year because after 2019-2020, we're going to be in luxury for a long time. I don't see it happening because I think Smart is going to ask for and get closer to 20 mil and Danny will let him walk, otherwise the extension could have been done this season.
Rest are already under contract through 2018-2019.
Couple of things. We have two ways of signing both Monroe and Baynes. We can give them a contract with first year being 20% higher than this year with 5% increases for each year thereafter. So Baynes starting at $5.4 million per and Monroe at $6 million. If we don't become a taxpayer first, we also have the MLE worth about $8.7 million per who if we thought one of those players were worth it we could give to them instead of the 20% raise route. We only have one MLE.
Second, Smart is a RFA that has shown to be a horrible shooter, extremely inefficient scorer, with poor decision making ability at times that is a great defender. Players like him don't make $15 million per season and there certainly isn't anyone out there giving him $20 million per. Ainge didn't give Smart an extension meaning there was definitely a decent gap in values between what management and Smart thought he was worth. My guess is Smart punching a picture and cutting himself costing him 11 games didn't help his value.
In a market thats very limited and given Smart is a RFA, I have trouble seeing Smart getting more than Andre Roverson money of $10 million per and doubt he will get even that. My guess is some team will offer the MLE, around $8.7 per year.
Would you match $10-12 mm offer to Smart, Nick? At what point would you let him walk?
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In a market thats very limited and given Smart is a RFA, I have trouble seeing Smart getting more than Andre Roverson money of $10 million per and doubt he will get even that. My guess is some team will offer the MLE, around $8.7 per year.
I wonder if there's any chance Smart takes the qualifying offer, which I think would be $6m for him. This would go a long way to keeping the band together, as then there's a better chance of re-signing both Monroe and Baynes while the team stays under the luxury tax threshold, which is important for next year, allowing Wyc to break the bank in '19-'20 and beyond.
Why would Smart take the QO though? Limited teams have cap space this year and thinks there will be a better market for him next year? He believes teams aren't offering him fair market value because they think the C's will just match? The picture punching incident along with another injury filled season quelled the interest from other teams, so he thinks he needs to have one more incident/injury free year to prove his worth? He wants to stay with the C's and has a wink-and-a-nod from Danny and Wyc that they'll give him a good contract in '19-'20 when the C's are ready to pay the luxury tax?
Though most players who take the QO usually want to leave their teams ASAP, I believe Spencer Hawes in 2011 is the only player to take the QO and then re-sign with his team the next year. Probably a long shot, but think it would be great for the C's if it did happen for one reason or another.
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It might be one of those years where the defending champs might or a Lebron team isn't the favorite, how's that for saying something while dodging the jinx?
But holy cow. If we can keep Monroe especially, and Irving and Gordy come back 100%, at least by Christmas... all 5 starters and at least 3 bench players could legit average 20 on most teams. That's the top 8, possibly a playoff rotation by itself. I mean, if we really did roll with those 8, we're going to see some 140, 145 point games pretty often.
Don't know if it could happen, but I'd love to "keep the band together". 10-man rotation:
Horford
Irving
Hayward
Brown
Tatum
Rozier
Morris
Smart
Monroe
Theis
We don't have much leverage with Monroe. From what I understand, we can only offer him $5 mil? due to the way that we signed him. I doubt that will be the highest offer.
Resigning Smart will likely put us into luxury tax depending on how much he wants and what the luxury tax is for 2019. If we use the projected numbers, it turns out to leave bout 15.5 mil worth of space for him. Anything more than that and I think that if Danny is smart, he will let Smart walk for free to avoid luxury tax for 1 more year because after 2019-2020, we're going to be in luxury for a long time. I don't see it happening because I think Smart is going to ask for and get closer to 20 mil and Danny will let him walk, otherwise the extension could have been done this season.
Rest are already under contract through 2018-2019.
Couple of things. We have two ways of signing both Monroe and Baynes. We can give them a contract with first year being 20% higher than this year with 5% increases for each year thereafter. So Baynes starting at $5.4 million per and Monroe at $6 million. If we don't become a taxpayer first, we also have the MLE worth about $8.7 million per who if we thought one of those players were worth it we could give to them instead of the 20% raise route. We only have one MLE.
Second, Smart is a RFA that has shown to be a horrible shooter, extremely inefficient scorer, with poor decision making ability at times that is a great defender. Players like him don't make $15 million per season and there certainly isn't anyone out there giving him $20 million per. Ainge didn't give Smart an extension meaning there was definitely a decent gap in values between what management and Smart thought he was worth. My guess is Smart punching a picture and cutting himself costing him 11 games didn't help his value.
In a market thats very limited and given Smart is a RFA, I have trouble seeing Smart getting more than Andre Roverson money of $10 million per and doubt he will get even that. My guess is some team will offer the MLE, around $8.7 per year.
Would you match $10-12 mm offer to Smart, Nick? At what point would you let him walk?
Good stuff here.
Me, I offer Monroe the full MLE on day 1. I think this is a great place for him to be long term, and I hope he takes it.
Smart: QO is looking more probable all the time. There just isn't much big money in the market this year.
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Well I'm pretty sure Monroe can get more than $6 mil or MLE and Smart can get more than $10 mil. He is a starting caliber point guard. There is going to be a team that is going to pay him starter money. I guess that we'll find out in a few months.
I would be wiling to re-sign Smart up to luxury tax but not a penny more. If you're building a super team, having a strong 6th man for $15mi/yr is not unheard of. The future cash savings of delaying luxury tax by 1 year are absurd if you look at the repeater rules.
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Yes. I think so. GSW look tired (from recent title and near-title runs) and ripe for a beating from a young hungry talented team. GSW not as hungry as they once were.
If HOU or anyone else besides GS wins this year, I don't see them losing next year. Maybe a loss is all that is needed to kick the complacency. KD went to GS to win multiple championships. While they might not win 6 like Lebron/Wade/Bosh's Heat, it is conceivable that GS wins 3+ more.
Danny has some work to do before the Celtics are better than GS.
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I don't know what DA and ownership are willing to pay Marcus, but he is #1 on my list among Smart, Monroe and Baynes. I think the C's may be in "contender" land and a destination for a 15 MPG big or 2 who are looking for a shot at a ring and willing to take vet minimum or close. Not sure who, but I would think that a Baynes quality big shouldn't be impossible to find. And Theis will be back. If we secure Smart, it would be great to keep Baynes or Monroe, but I think DA can replace them.
I think Smart has unique value and, along with the other Marcus, adds toughness along with skill. Smart will not be a go-to scorer on the court next year in any lineup -- as he sorta was in stretches earlier this season. Thus -- he won't shoot as much. Really want to keep him.
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Yes. I think so. GSW look tired (from recent title and near-title runs) and ripe for a beating from a young hungry talented team. GSW not as hungry as they once were.
If HOU or anyone else besides GS wins this year, I don't see them losing next year. Maybe a loss is all that is needed to kick the complacency. KD went to GS to win multiple championships. While they might not win 6 like Lebron/Wade/Bosh's Heat, it is conceivable that GS wins 3+ more.
Danny has some work to do before the Celtics are better than GS.
I think they are gonna have serious issues retaining everyone in a couple seasons. I could see Klay being offered some crazy money from someone and GSW not willing to come close. That’s the same season Curry is now making $40M, Livingston+Igulodola are around $25M, Green the last year of his contract at $18.5M. Then you have to add whatever Durant will get.
Let’s just say that’s $110M (for 5 players). Are you gonna go out and start Klay at $25M+? You’ll be looking at easily $150M before taxes for a team that’s not exactly young. Could you imagine being at $180M+ per season when they are all early-mid 30’s? Paying repeater taxes the whole time.
I’m not as convinced that they will be a lengthy dynasty as some are. The owner may shell out the bid money to keep ‘em together but other teams are coming for them. They aren’t invincible.
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It might be one of those years where the defending champs might or a Lebron team isn't the favorite, how's that for saying something while dodging the jinx?
But holy cow. If we can keep Monroe especially, and Irving and Gordy come back 100%, at least by Christmas... all 5 starters and at least 3 bench players could legit average 20 on most teams. That's the top 8, possibly a playoff rotation by itself. I mean, if we really did roll with those 8, we're going to see some 140, 145 point games pretty often.
Don't know if it could happen, but I'd love to "keep the band together". 10-man rotation:
Horford
Irving
Hayward
Brown
Tatum
Rozier
Morris
Smart
Monroe
Theis
We don't have much leverage with Monroe. From what I understand, we can only offer him $5 mil? due to the way that we signed him. I doubt that will be the highest offer.
Resigning Smart will likely put us into luxury tax depending on how much he wants and what the luxury tax is for 2019. If we use the projected numbers, it turns out to leave bout 15.5 mil worth of space for him. Anything more than that and I think that if Danny is smart, he will let Smart walk for free to avoid luxury tax for 1 more year because after 2019-2020, we're going to be in luxury for a long time. I don't see it happening because I think Smart is going to ask for and get closer to 20 mil and Danny will let him walk, otherwise the extension could have been done this season.
Rest are already under contract through 2018-2019.
Couple of things. We have two ways of signing both Monroe and Baynes. We can give them a contract with first year being 20% higher than this year with 5% increases for each year thereafter. So Baynes starting at $5.4 million per and Monroe at $6 million. If we don't become a taxpayer first, we also have the MLE worth about $8.7 million per who if we thought one of those players were worth it we could give to them instead of the 20% raise route. We only have one MLE.
Second, Smart is a RFA that has shown to be a horrible shooter, extremely inefficient scorer, with poor decision making ability at times that is a great defender. Players like him don't make $15 million per season and there certainly isn't anyone out there giving him $20 million per. Ainge didn't give Smart an extension meaning there was definitely a decent gap in values between what management and Smart thought he was worth. My guess is Smart punching a picture and cutting himself costing him 11 games didn't help his value.
In a market thats very limited and given Smart is a RFA, I have trouble seeing Smart getting more than Andre Roverson money of $10 million per and doubt he will get even that. My guess is some team will offer the MLE, around $8.7 per year.
Would you match $10-12 mm offer to Smart, Nick? At what point would you let him walk?
Good stuff here.
Me, I offer Monroe the full MLE on day 1. I think this is a great place for him to be long term, and I hope he takes it.
Smart: QO is looking more probable all the time. There just isn't much big money in the market this year.
I think Smart will realize he needs to take the QO and run. The big money has completely dried up and some big FA's hitting the market (Bron, PG, etc). Smart is not a big $ guard in the era of the 3 pt shot. He's a decent ballhandler and plays solid D, but can't shoot a lick. Just don't see a huge market for a guy who has struggled with injuries and boneheaded behavior..