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Title: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: rollie mass on June 22, 2018, 11:15:31 AM
The kid probably acts like a teenager cause he was.He may not have an East Coast pedigree and  he was misused in college. Rozier looked very cool in his guest shot like a fun loving kid as he punked Ainge a far cry from a spaghetti sandwich and jumping in the pool with a suit on..
.I hope they prepare Williams for Boston weather and not the Red Claws.
He has so many young guys with him to emulate just between summer league and training camp we might see a difference as he hits the new training facility and weight program and diet is changed.
Only 20 years old its going to seem like an alien world.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: MattyIce on June 22, 2018, 11:19:01 AM
not a good start Rollie , but i’m still excited
https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/1010176849492799488?s=21

The Celtics were scheduled to have an 11 am conference call with first-round pick Robert Williams but have not been able to get in contact with him and have postponed the call.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Roy H. on June 22, 2018, 11:20:58 AM
not a good start Rollie , but i’m still excited
https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/1010176849492799488?s=21

The Celtics were scheduled to have an 11 am conference call with first-round pick Robert Williams but have not been able to get in contact with him and have postponed the call.

Unreal.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 11:32:35 AM
not a good start Rollie , but i’m still excited
https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/1010176849492799488?s=21

The Celtics were scheduled to have an 11 am conference call with first-round pick Robert Williams but have not been able to get in contact with him and have postponed the call.
10 am Louisiana time


That's early for a college student lol
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Chris22 on June 22, 2018, 11:43:02 AM
Send Marcus Smart to find him.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: rollie mass on June 22, 2018, 11:56:34 AM
Probably hung over and up late celebrating.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on June 22, 2018, 12:10:08 PM
Long road ahead for this young man.  Hope he's up for it.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: hwangjini_1 on June 22, 2018, 12:11:58 PM
not a good start Rollie , but i’m still excited
https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/1010176849492799488?s=21

The Celtics were scheduled to have an 11 am conference call with first-round pick Robert Williams but have not been able to get in contact with him and have postponed the call.

Unreal.
Perhaps he similar. to iverson and thought this was only a practice phone call.  ;D
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Fan from VT on June 22, 2018, 12:17:48 PM
Quote
More Chris Forsberg Retweeted Chris Forsberg
Celtics not concerned, appears a simple miscommunication. But a fun start to the Robert Williams era nonetheless.Chris Forsberg added,

Hopefully this.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 12:22:43 PM
Ainge called him bob yesterday

Now I know why he didn't pick up

https://twitter.com/darren_hartwell/status/1010193806061383680?s=21

@darren_hartwell
Horrible audio quality on Robert Williams' conference call, but did hear this: He doesn't like being called Bob.

"You can call me Rob or Robert."

JaredWeissNBA
Replying to @darren_hartwell
That was about the only sentence that I could hear clearly on the entire call.


ESPNForsberg
Biggest takeaways from Robert Williams’ rescheduled conference call:

* Celtics should buy him a new phone (bonus if it has an alarm)

* He does not want to be called Bob

* He was very tired after a busy draft day
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: liam on June 22, 2018, 12:22:59 PM
Quote
More Chris Forsberg Retweeted Chris Forsberg
Celtics not concerned, appears a simple miscommunication. But a fun start to the Robert Williams era nonetheless.Chris Forsberg added,

Hopefully this.

Welcome to Boston rook. Every little thing will be magnified and over analyzed! ;D
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: hpantazo on June 22, 2018, 12:44:56 PM
Probably hung over and up late celebrating.

Celebrating that he fell out of the lottery and almost out of the first round?
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on June 22, 2018, 12:52:36 PM
Probably hung over and up late celebrating.

Celebrating that he fell out of the lottery and almost out of the first round?

Different strokes...  ;D
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: blackbird on June 22, 2018, 12:55:16 PM
He's not an employee yet. No contract, and under no obligation to do pep rallies for the team.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: The One on June 22, 2018, 12:57:36 PM
When I read that they couldn't get a hold of him...for a half second...I went to worst case scenario...Len Bias all over again... :'( :'( :'(

Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: jpotter33 on June 22, 2018, 01:08:17 PM
Probably hung over and up late celebrating.

Celebrating that he fell out of the lottery and almost out of the first round?

Celebrating that he became a millionaire over night just for playing a game that he loves! I’d definitely be hungover, too.

Does seem shortsighted by organizations to schedule calls the next morning, especially with time zone differences. You know they’ll be partying all night and hungover, so why not let them get a bit of rest and schedule the call in the early afternoon?
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 01:13:58 PM
ByJayKing
Robert Williams said he went to a relative's house last night right after the draft and went to sleep because he was so tired. His sister informed him this morning about the missed conference call.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 01:14:56 PM
Probably hung over and up late celebrating.

Celebrating that he fell out of the lottery and almost out of the first round?

Celebrating that he became a millionaire over night just for playing a game that he loves! I’d definitely be hungover, too.

Does seem shortsighted by organizations to schedule calls the next morning, especially with time zone differences. You know they’ll be partying all night and hungover, so why not let them get a bit of rest and schedule the call in the early afternoon?
very true but it is Friday. Most offices want to leave work around early afternoon, or you're already mentally checked out by that time . But I guess they should make the exception for the day after the draft.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: kozlodoev on June 22, 2018, 01:17:22 PM
Quote
More Chris Forsberg Retweeted Chris Forsberg
Celtics not concerned, appears a simple miscommunication. But a fun start to the Robert Williams era nonetheless.Chris Forsberg added,

Hopefully this.
But maybe not. He just seems like he has a habit of blowing off things:

* Blew off the combine (was supposed to be there but was didn't show)
* No-show at the draft (only first rounder that wasn't there?)
* Blew off the conference call with the team that drafted him.

He was also suspended for 2 games by his team, and only started 40 of the 61 games he played. It just isn't a great look for someone who supposedly has lottery talent.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 01:18:51 PM
Quote
More Chris Forsberg Retweeted Chris Forsberg
Celtics not concerned, appears a simple miscommunication. But a fun start to the Robert Williams era nonetheless.Chris Forsberg added,

Hopefully this.
But maybe not. He just seems like he has a habit of blowing off things:

* Blew off the combine (was supposed to be there but was didn't show)
* No-show at the draft (only first rounder that wasn't there?)
* Blew off the conference call with the team that drafted him.

He was also suspended for 2 games by his team, and only started 40 of the 61 games he played. It just isn't a great look for someone who supposedly has lottery talent.
well when you're picking at 27 you kind of have troubled players around that area

It really doesn't matter. We are stacked at the 5, Williams won't make or break us. If he can play his role off the bench, we will be solid. Not a tall task
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 01:27:58 PM
Quote
More Chris Forsberg Retweeted Chris Forsberg
Celtics not concerned, appears a simple miscommunication. But a fun start to the Robert Williams era nonetheless.Chris Forsberg added,

Hopefully this.
But maybe not. He just seems like he has a habit of blowing off things:

* Blew off the combine (was supposed to be there but was didn't show)
* No-show at the draft (only first rounder that wasn't there?)
* Blew off the conference call with the team that drafted him.

He was also suspended for 2 games by his team, and only started 40 of the 61 games he played. It just isn't a great look for someone who supposedly has lottery talent.

That is true, the no-show is incorrect. Someone from Twitter reported that Robert Williams had informed them a few hours before that he wouldn't be attending.

Conference call, ehh... Questionable, but it happens, plus he probably partied/went out.

He was suspended 2 games, but the reasoning wasn't mentioned.

Ainge has done his due diligence and believes Williams will pan out, so with the 27th pick you're going to have a flawed player. Let's just hope he gets it together.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: kozlodoev on June 22, 2018, 01:35:05 PM
Quote
More Chris Forsberg Retweeted Chris Forsberg
Celtics not concerned, appears a simple miscommunication. But a fun start to the Robert Williams era nonetheless.Chris Forsberg added,

Hopefully this.
But maybe not. He just seems like he has a habit of blowing off things:

* Blew off the combine (was supposed to be there but was didn't show)
* No-show at the draft (only first rounder that wasn't there?)
* Blew off the conference call with the team that drafted him.

He was also suspended for 2 games by his team, and only started 40 of the 61 games he played. It just isn't a great look for someone who supposedly has lottery talent.

That is true, the no-show is incorrect. Someone from Twitter reported that Robert Williams had informed them a few hours before that he wouldn't be attending.

Conference call, ehh... Questionable, but it happens, plus he probably partied/went out.

He was suspended 2 games, but the reasoning wasn't mentioned.

Ainge has done his due diligence and believes Williams will pan out, so with the 27th pick you're going to have a flawed player. Let's just hope he gets it together.
Once, it happens. Three times, you have a pattern of not caring to show up for important things.

Also, somehow it didn't happen to anyone else at the draft. This guy has Royce White written all over him.

That's how it is, though. If you want talent at 27, you need to take in damaged goods.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: liam on June 22, 2018, 01:38:03 PM
Quote
More Chris Forsberg Retweeted Chris Forsberg
Celtics not concerned, appears a simple miscommunication. But a fun start to the Robert Williams era nonetheless.Chris Forsberg added,

Hopefully this.
But maybe not. He just seems like he has a habit of blowing off things:

* Blew off the combine (was supposed to be there but was didn't show)
* No-show at the draft (only first rounder that wasn't there?)
* Blew off the conference call with the team that drafted him.

He was also suspended for 2 games by his team, and only started 40 of the 61 games he played. It just isn't a great look for someone who supposedly has lottery talent.

That is true, the no-show is incorrect. Someone from Twitter reported that Robert Williams had informed them a few hours before that he wouldn't be attending.

Conference call, ehh... Questionable, but it happens, plus he probably partied/went out.

He was suspended 2 games, but the reasoning wasn't mentioned.

Ainge has done his due diligence and believes Williams will pan out, so with the 27th pick you're going to have a flawed player. Let's just hope he gets it together.
Once, it happens. Three times, you have a pattern of not caring to show up for important things.

Also, somehow it didn't happen to anyone else at the draft. This guy has Royce White written all over him.

That's how it is, though. If you want talent at 27, you need to take in damaged goods.

Didn't Royce White have some major metal health issues?
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 01:38:15 PM
Quote
More Chris Forsberg Retweeted Chris Forsberg
Celtics not concerned, appears a simple miscommunication. But a fun start to the Robert Williams era nonetheless.Chris Forsberg added,

Hopefully this.
But maybe not. He just seems like he has a habit of blowing off things:

* Blew off the combine (was supposed to be there but was didn't show)
* No-show at the draft (only first rounder that wasn't there?)
* Blew off the conference call with the team that drafted him.

He was also suspended for 2 games by his team, and only started 40 of the 61 games he played. It just isn't a great look for someone who supposedly has lottery talent.

That is true, the no-show is incorrect. Someone from Twitter reported that Robert Williams had informed them a few hours before that he wouldn't be attending.

Conference call, ehh... Questionable, but it happens, plus he probably partied/went out.

He was suspended 2 games, but the reasoning wasn't mentioned.

Ainge has done his due diligence and believes Williams will pan out, so with the 27th pick you're going to have a flawed player. Let's just hope he gets it together.
Once, it happens. Three times, you have a pattern of not caring to show up for important things.

Also, somehow it didn't happen to anyone else at the draft. This guy has Royce White written all over him.

That's how it is, though. If you want talent at 27, you need to take in damaged goods.
lol true. All we can hope is he fixes his issues. The good thing is he will not make or break this team because we have a lot of talent as is
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: mef730 on June 22, 2018, 01:38:39 PM
Hope he makes it to Summer League.  ::)

Mike
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 01:38:46 PM
Quote
More Chris Forsberg Retweeted Chris Forsberg
Celtics not concerned, appears a simple miscommunication. But a fun start to the Robert Williams era nonetheless.Chris Forsberg added,

Hopefully this.
But maybe not. He just seems like he has a habit of blowing off things:

* Blew off the combine (was supposed to be there but was didn't show)
* No-show at the draft (only first rounder that wasn't there?)
* Blew off the conference call with the team that drafted him.

He was also suspended for 2 games by his team, and only started 40 of the 61 games he played. It just isn't a great look for someone who supposedly has lottery talent.

That is true, the no-show is incorrect. Someone from Twitter reported that Robert Williams had informed them a few hours before that he wouldn't be attending.

Conference call, ehh... Questionable, but it happens, plus he probably partied/went out.

He was suspended 2 games, but the reasoning wasn't mentioned.

Ainge has done his due diligence and believes Williams will pan out, so with the 27th pick you're going to have a flawed player. Let's just hope he gets it together.
Once, it happens. Three times, you have a pattern of not caring to show up for important things.

Also, somehow it didn't happen to anyone else at the draft. This guy has Royce White written all over him.

That's how it is, though. If you want talent at 27, you need to take in damaged goods.

Didn't Royce White have some major metal health issues?
yes Royce suffers from serious anxiety issues. Also he mentioned nba teams at the time didn't have much mental health personnel on staff
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: kozlodoev on June 22, 2018, 01:42:00 PM
yes Royce suffers from serious anxiety issues. Also he mentioned nba teams at the time didn't have much mental health personnel on staff
My recollection is that he just blew his obligations, then complained that NBA "lacks protocol" for mental health issues -- whatever that was supposed to mean. In general, he didn't strike me as someone who cared enough about his NBA career, issues or no issues.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 01:46:52 PM
yes Royce suffers from serious anxiety issues. Also he mentioned nba teams at the time didn't have much mental health personnel on staff
My recollection is that he just blew his obligations, then complained that NBA "lacks protocol" for mental health issues -- whatever that was supposed to mean. In general, he didn't strike me as someone who cared enough about his NBA career, issues or no issues.
who knows



Rockets owner Leslie Alexander, however, said there have been "internal repercussions which I'm not going to talk about."

More foreboding, Alexander's confidence in White's long-term prospects seemed shaken since his enthusiasm with White's potential during the summer league in Las Vegas.

"That's tenuous," Alexander said. "It's tough to talk about something like that. I think we're going to handle it internally. If he doesn't work out, well, it's tough to lose a draft choice."

...

[Kelvin] Sampson, serving as Rockets head coach with Kevin McHale on a leave of absence, directed questions to Rockets general manager Daryl Morey, but Morey did not respond to messages although issued this statement: "Royce is not available right now. We are committed to his long term success and we will continue to support him now and going forward."

"I'm not sure," Sampson said when asked why White did not attend practice. "I haven't talked to Daryl. I didn't realize he (White) wasn't here today until we got to practice. I'm not sure what's wrong right now. We talked to Scott and D-Mo last night. Royce wasn't at the game last night as far as I know."

White and his agent, Andrew Vye, did not return messages seeking comment.

Morey has often pointed out that White's anxiety issues had not caused him to miss games or practices at Iowa State. With the Rockets, however, he has already missed a week of training camp and several practices, though it was not clear if Tuesday's absence was related to his anxiety disorder.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: hwangjini_1 on June 22, 2018, 01:56:55 PM
Quote
More Chris Forsberg Retweeted Chris Forsberg
Celtics not concerned, appears a simple miscommunication. But a fun start to the Robert Williams era nonetheless.Chris Forsberg added,

Hopefully this.
But maybe not. He just seems like he has a habit of blowing off things:

* Blew off the combine (was supposed to be there but was didn't show)
* No-show at the draft (only first rounder that wasn't there?)
* Blew off the conference call with the team that drafted him.

He was also suspended for 2 games by his team, and only started 40 of the 61 games he played. It just isn't a great look for someone who supposedly has lottery talent.
Tp for the detective work koz. The bob will era might bemore interesting than we thought.  ;D
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Roy H. on June 22, 2018, 02:02:57 PM
He's not an employee yet. No contract, and under no obligation to do pep rallies for the team.

He entered the draft voluntarily. The Celts own his rights. His lack of professionalism could lead to him getting less than the full 120% rookie scale, or lead to his teammates not trusting him.

Obligation or not, he should act like a professional.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: hwangjini_1 on June 22, 2018, 02:04:54 PM
He's not an employee yet. No contract, and under no obligation to do pep rallies for the team.

He entered the draft voluntarily. The Celts own his rights. His lack of professionalism could lead to him getting less than the full 120% rookie scale, or lead to his teammates not trusting him.

Obligation or not, he should act like a professional.
Or at least an adult. I wonder if this is why he had to switch agents once? Still early, but we will know a lot more as summer games begin.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: kozlodoev on June 22, 2018, 02:06:46 PM
He's not an employee yet. No contract, and under no obligation to do pep rallies for the team.

He entered the draft voluntarily. The Celts own his rights. His lack of professionalism could lead to him getting less than the full 120% rookie scale, or lead to his teammates not trusting him.

Obligation or not, he should act like a professional.
Or at least an adult. I wonder if this is why he had to switch agents once? Still early, but we will know a lot more as summer games begin.
Another fun tidbit from today sports talk radio draft mop-up: Because he didn't go to the combine and switched agents midsummer, teams were struggling to get a hold of his medicals (there was a concern about a knee injury). Seems partly the reason why he slid.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Eddie20 on June 22, 2018, 02:16:39 PM
Rozier looked very cool in his guest shot like a fun loving kid as he punked Ainge

That was actually really stupid by Rozier. Now imagine if Ainge had said something like, "yeah, he's acted like an idiot, but we think we can straighten him out", or something to the like, thinking his conversation was private. Would you still think that was "very cool"?

We dodged a bullet. That could've gone really wrong.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 02:28:52 PM
Rozier looked very cool in his guest shot like a fun loving kid as he punked Ainge

That was actually really stupid by Rozier. Now imagine if Ainge had said something like, "yeah, he's acted like an idiot, but we think we can straighten him out", or something to the like, thinking his conversation was private. Would you still think that was "very cool"?

We dodged a bullet. That could've gone really wrong.

But it didn't, and Ainge rarely discloses information like that over the phone, especially not along the lines.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 02:32:55 PM
Rozier looked very cool in his guest shot like a fun loving kid as he punked Ainge

That was actually really stupid by Rozier. Now imagine if Ainge had said something like, "yeah, he's acted like an idiot, but we think we can straighten him out", or something to the like, thinking his conversation was private. Would you still think that was "very cool"?

We dodged a bullet. That could've gone really wrong.

But it didn't, and Ainge rarely discloses information like that over the phone, especially not along the lines.
so you don't think Ainge discloses private information during private phone calls? How would you know
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Eddie20 on June 22, 2018, 02:33:14 PM
Rozier looked very cool in his guest shot like a fun loving kid as he punked Ainge

That was actually really stupid by Rozier. Now imagine if Ainge had said something like, "yeah, he's acted like an idiot, but we think we can straighten him out", or something to the like, thinking his conversation was private. Would you still think that was "very cool"?

We dodged a bullet. That could've gone really wrong.

But it didn't, and Ainge rarely discloses information like that over the phone, especially not along the lines.

Huh? How can you possibly know this? Remember the conversation was supposed to be private, so how would you know he "rarely discloses information like that over the phone"?
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Eddie20 on June 22, 2018, 02:35:31 PM
Rozier looked very cool in his guest shot like a fun loving kid as he punked Ainge

That was actually really stupid by Rozier. Now imagine if Ainge had said something like, "yeah, he's acted like an idiot, but we think we can straighten him out", or something to the like, thinking his conversation was private. Would you still think that was "very cool"?

We dodged a bullet. That could've gone really wrong.

But it didn't, and Ainge rarely discloses information like that over the phone, especially not along the lines.
so you don't think Ainge discloses private information during private phone calls? How would you know

My thoughts exactly. If Ainge doesn't disclose PRIVATE information during PRIVATE phone calls then I'd question if he's really 100% human.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 02:56:05 PM
Rozier looked very cool in his guest shot like a fun loving kid as he punked Ainge

That was actually really stupid by Rozier. Now imagine if Ainge had said something like, "yeah, he's acted like an idiot, but we think we can straighten him out", or something to the like, thinking his conversation was private. Would you still think that was "very cool"?

We dodged a bullet. That could've gone really wrong.

But it didn't, and Ainge rarely discloses information like that over the phone, especially not along the lines.

Huh? How can you possibly know this? Remember the conversation was supposed to be private, so how would you know he "rarely discloses information like that over the phone"?

Private information like that over Facetime? I don't know... Sounds a little unprofessional, and generally I feel like Rozier and Ainge have a mutual understanding that something that serious could be spoken face to face. But you're also guessing on something that didn't happen.
Rozier looked very cool in his guest shot like a fun loving kid as he punked Ainge

That was actually really stupid by Rozier. Now imagine if Ainge had said something like, "yeah, he's acted like an idiot, but we think we can straighten him out", or something to the like, thinking his conversation was private. Would you still think that was "very cool"?

We dodged a bullet. That could've gone really wrong.

But it didn't, and Ainge rarely discloses information like that over the phone, especially not along the lines.
so you don't think Ainge discloses private information during private phone calls? How would you know

My thoughts exactly. If Ainge doesn't disclose PRIVATE information during PRIVATE phone calls then I'd question if he's really 100% human.

Also Ainge isn't human, I think we all know that by now.

Rozier looked very cool in his guest shot like a fun loving kid as he punked Ainge

That was actually really stupid by Rozier. Now imagine if Ainge had said something like, "yeah, he's acted like an idiot, but we think we can straighten him out", or something to the like, thinking his conversation was private. Would you still think that was "very cool"?

We dodged a bullet. That could've gone really wrong.

But it didn't, and Ainge rarely discloses information like that over the phone, especially not along the lines.
so you don't think Ainge discloses private information during private phone calls? How would you know

And how would you know he would disclose such private information over the phone? You don't know either.

You guys are just both overreacting to something that never happened. Jeez. Way to blow smoke out of nothing.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: The One on June 22, 2018, 03:00:09 PM
Time for Mike Silverman and Brandon Grier of AMG to talk to their client.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: rollie mass on June 22, 2018, 03:04:19 PM
No Harm- No Foul and Rozier did look cool that is a great shirt, expensive with his ripped jeans.
Rozier is a likable guy not really cognizant of possible repercussions.Just a kid that plays ball.
The point was Rozier has come a long way from jumping in pool in a suit and eating spaghetti sandwiches -a lighthearted conversation  with Danny zinging him with "looking for a point guard"
Next we will have "What If Cops"
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: byennie on June 22, 2018, 03:06:40 PM
It's not a great start, but I think you also have to leave some room for a kid just needing a little growing up. The Celtics can give him structure. Get him a driver to practices/ games. Brown and Tatum can make friends and teach him new habits.

There's some risk when a kid lacks work ethic, but if he's not out of shape, not committing crimes, not clashing with teammates, not having substance abuse issues, etc... it's also too soon to judge how he'll react to the NBA life.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 03:07:14 PM
No Harm- No Foul and Rozier did look cool that is a great shirt, expensive with his ripped jeans.
Rozier is a likable guy not really cognizant of possible repercussions.Just a kid that plays ball.
The point was Rozier has come a long way from jumping in pool in a suit and eating spaghetti sandwiches -a lighthearted conversation  with Danny zinging him with "looking for a point guard"
Next we will have "What If Cops"

Exactly, the conversation that they both had was very light and playful, with Ainge and his quick jab at Rozier, "I'm going to need to draft a point guard." Relax people lol.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: CelticsElite on June 22, 2018, 03:57:55 PM
Robert williams overslept

All over espn

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23874911/robert-williams-boston-celtics-1st-round-pick-sleeps-call-team
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 22, 2018, 04:42:10 PM
Robert williams overslept

All over espn

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23874911/robert-williams-boston-celtics-1st-round-pick-sleeps-call-team
Absolutely do not care.  I missed my last college final.  I've missed telecons due to time zone differences.  Stuff like that happens and it really doesn't matter.  He participated in the call and answered the questions like you'd want him to do. 
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: SparzWizard on June 22, 2018, 04:49:38 PM
Robert williams overslept

All over espn

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23874911/robert-williams-boston-celtics-1st-round-pick-sleeps-call-team

Hmm, could be a bad start to his image in his professional career. Can't oversleep missing your conference call with your boss!
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: kozlodoev on June 22, 2018, 04:59:29 PM
Robert williams overslept

All over espn

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23874911/robert-williams-boston-celtics-1st-round-pick-sleeps-call-team
Absolutely do not care.  I missed my last college final.  I've missed telecons due to time zone differences.  Stuff like that happens and it really doesn't matter.  He participated in the call and answered the questions like you'd want him to do.
Maybe, but when you miss the combine, miss draft night, and miss your originally scheduled conference call, the optics aren't great.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Beat LA on June 22, 2018, 05:02:28 PM
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Celtics not concerned, appears a simple miscommunication. But a fun start to the Robert Williams era nonetheless.Chris Forsberg added,

Hopefully this.
But maybe not. He just seems like he has a habit of blowing off things:

* Blew off the combine (was supposed to be there but was didn't show)
* No-show at the draft (only first rounder that wasn't there?)
* Blew off the conference call with the team that drafted him.

He was also suspended for 2 games by his team, and only started 40 of the 61 games he played. It just isn't a great look for someone who supposedly has lottery talent.

This guy is getting better all the time ::).
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: vl819 on June 22, 2018, 05:04:53 PM
Both
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: kozlodoev on June 22, 2018, 05:11:58 PM
This guy is getting better all the time ::)
Just send someone to make sure he's not going to miss the plane next week when he's supposed to report to Boston.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 22, 2018, 05:44:55 PM
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More Chris Forsberg Retweeted Chris Forsberg
Celtics not concerned, appears a simple miscommunication. But a fun start to the Robert Williams era nonetheless.Chris Forsberg added,

Hopefully this.
But maybe not. He just seems like he has a habit of blowing off things:

* Blew off the combine (was supposed to be there but was didn't show)
* No-show at the draft (only first rounder that wasn't there?)
* Blew off the conference call with the team that drafted him.

He was also suspended for 2 games by his team, and only started 40 of the 61 games he played. It just isn't a great look for someone who supposedly has lottery talent.
Robert Williams was not supposed to be at the NBA combine.  Here's a story two weeks before the combine indicating he like a lot of the top prospects were skipping the combine.  The agent generally decides whether the prospect should attend and how much they should do. 
https://sports.yahoo.com/complete-2018-nba-draft-combine-list-211843026.html 

There is no obligation to show up at the draft.  I like Williams even more for staying home and watching it with his family.  Considering how he dropped, it was a smart decision optically. 

He didn't blow off the conference call.  He overslept and it sounds like the team's communication was partially at fault. 

Williams did get suspended for an exhibition game and the 1st two regular season games.  Most definitely not good.  However the situation at Texas A&M was bad with several teammates getting suspended during the season including 1 getting dismissed from the team.

Don't know why you brought up his only starting 40 of 61 games.  Texas A&M was a very poor fitting collection of players.  The coach sometimes tried bringing Williams off the bench to offset Williams and Davis playing together. 
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Beat LA on June 22, 2018, 05:51:04 PM
This guy is getting better all the time ::)
Just send someone to make sure he's not going to miss the plane next week when he's supposed to report to Boston.

I believe that we have ourselves a new "Uncle Snooze" ::).

Edit: LOL ;D -

https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1010281279730999297
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: kozlodoev on June 22, 2018, 06:14:34 PM
Robert Williams was not supposed to be at the NBA combine.  Here's a story two weeks before the combine indicating he like a lot of the top prospects were skipping the combine.  The agent generally decides whether the prospect should attend and how much they should do. 
https://sports.yahoo.com/complete-2018-nba-draft-combine-list-211843026.html 


Sure. I just know that he didn't do the combine and that hurt his stock because some GMs hoped to see him there. There's obviously no obligation, but unless you're a known no-miss prospect, not showing up at the combine is construed as having something to hide. Moreover, some players show up even if they don't plan to participate in the drills just to do sitdowns with teams.

There is no obligation to show up at the draft.  I like Williams even more for staying home and watching it with his family.  Considering how he dropped, it was a smart decision optically.

No, but many players do. Those projected to go in the lottery certainly do. I thought his absence was unusual.

He didn't blow off the conference call.  He overslept and it sounds like the team's communication was partially at fault.
"Dog ate my homework" excuse. Means you didn't care enough to make sure you're up and available. Set as many alarm clocks as you need, tell everyone in the house to wake you up, go to bed on time. It's all within your control if you care enough.

Williams did get suspended for an exhibition game and the 1st two regular season games.  Most definitely not good.  However the situation at Texas A&M was bad with several teammates getting suspended during the season including 1 getting dismissed from the team.
I'm surprised no details have come out. Maybe it's just nothing, but in the context of all the other eyebrow-raisers it doesn't help.

Don't know why you brought up his only starting 40 of 61 games.  Texas A&M was a very poor fitting collection of players.  The coach sometimes tried bringing Williams off the bench to offset Williams and Davis playing together.
Mostly because I think that if you're such a great talent then you're a mortal lock for the starting lineup, and everything else gets adjusted around you. But that's conjecture. Again, like everything else, it might amount to nothing in the end, but all of these are obvious red flags at this point.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Sketch5 on June 22, 2018, 06:52:21 PM
I think people are over reacting a bit. So maybe he had a few and went to bed late and forgot to set his alarm. Not the end of the world.

We don't know his home life, his life on the college front. Maybe he had no mentors to look up to, some one to steer him straight. That could lead to all sorts of immaturity problems.

But one of the first things he said was Kyrie Irving!!!! So he's going to a team with a guy he looks up to. Also mentioned Horford. Two vets like that taking him under their wings can set a guy straight.

DA can also set him straight from a business stand point. Show him what his first check will look like. Tell him if he does A,B,C, in a few years that check amount gets bigger, if he doesn't do A,B, and C, (he rips up the check).

I new a kid in highschool that  was constantly in trouble. Watched him pick up a kid and slam him into the table and beat his butt. A few years later I ran into him, he was a contractor. In the off season he went to Haiti to build houses, and in the summer he would fly out a few of the better workers that he worked with to be part of his crew so they could make money to send back to their families. Complete  180 in a few years.

Heres the thing, he's the 27th pick. If it clicks for him, and he gets it, what a steal. If it doens't click and he doens't grow up with having a good support system in place. He's the 27th pick on a already REALLY good team.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Beat LA on June 22, 2018, 06:59:31 PM
Long road ahead for this young man.  Hope he's up for it.

Lol, TP ;D. #ISeeWhatYouDidThere
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 22, 2018, 07:07:37 PM
Robert Williams was not supposed to be at the NBA combine.  Here's a story two weeks before the combine indicating he like a lot of the top prospects were skipping the combine.  The agent generally decides whether the prospect should attend and how much they should do. 
https://sports.yahoo.com/complete-2018-nba-draft-combine-list-211843026.html 


Sure. I just know that he didn't do the combine and that hurt his stock because some GMs hoped to see him there. There's obviously no obligation, but unless you're a known no-miss prospect, not showing up at the combine is construed as having something to hide. Moreover, some players show up even if they don't plan to participate in the drills just to do sitdowns with teams.

There is no obligation to show up at the draft.  I like Williams even more for staying home and watching it with his family.  Considering how he dropped, it was a smart decision optically.

No, but many players do. Those projected to go in the lottery certainly do. I thought his absence was unusual.

He didn't blow off the conference call.  He overslept and it sounds like the team's communication was partially at fault.
"Dog ate my homework" excuse. Means you didn't care enough to make sure you're up and available. Set as many alarm clocks as you need, tell everyone in the house to wake you up, go to bed on time. It's all within your control if you care enough.

Williams did get suspended for an exhibition game and the 1st two regular season games.  Most definitely not good.  However the situation at Texas A&M was bad with several teammates getting suspended during the season including 1 getting dismissed from the team.
I'm surprised no details have come out. Maybe it's just nothing, but in the context of all the other eyebrow-raisers it doesn't help.

Don't know why you brought up his only starting 40 of 61 games.  Texas A&M was a very poor fitting collection of players.  The coach sometimes tried bringing Williams off the bench to offset Williams and Davis playing together.
Mostly because I think that if you're such a great talent then you're a mortal lock for the starting lineup, and everything else gets adjusted around you. But that's conjecture. Again, like everything else, it might amount to nothing in the end, but all of these are obvious red flags at this point.
I think you're color blind.  Those flags are not even pink.  Williams is a late bloomer not some great talent that was projected to be an NBA player since he was 12.  He was #64 on the RSCI rankings for the 2016 high school class.  He wasn't a projected one-and-done lottery pick so his freshman performance was to a degree a breakout season.  Williams is an intriguing raw project but he's also a two time SEC defensive player of the year. 
http://www.draftexpress.com/RSCI/2016/ 

Here's a story on the Texas A&M suspensions.  Just says he was suspended for violating A&M policy.  Clearly wasn't anything too bad and it was only once unlike some of his teammates.   
https://www.theeagle.com/aggie_sports/texas-a-m-basketball-team-dismisses-caldwell-suspends-chandler/article_24f57b2e-0f84-11e8-819c-1b29ae93ee4c.html

Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Chris22 on June 22, 2018, 07:11:43 PM
Gary Washburn: Robert Williams on being drafted by the #Celtics “I prayed before the draft and I asked God, just place me where you need me to be, wherever I fit. Like, I said it’s a great organization.”
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: kozlodoev on June 22, 2018, 07:18:22 PM
Here's a story on the Texas A&M suspensions.  Just says he was suspended for violating A&M policy.  Clearly wasn't anything too bad and it was only once unlike some of his teammates.   
https://www.theeagle.com/aggie_sports/texas-a-m-basketball-team-dismisses-caldwell-suspends-chandler/article_24f57b2e-0f84-11e8-819c-1b29ae93ee4c.html
I may be color blind, it's delusional think a 2-game suspension for a college athlete who has their whole world in college designed so that they can skirt the rules "wasn't anything too bad". If it wasn't anything too bad, we'd know what it was.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Chris22 on June 22, 2018, 07:53:17 PM
Robert Williams on falling in the draft: I just always tell myself that nothing is guaranteed. … Going in with an open mind, focus, soak up everything I can. Al Horford is a great vet. He’s a guy I’m happy to be around.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Roy H. on June 22, 2018, 08:35:26 PM
Here's a story on the Texas A&M suspensions.  Just says he was suspended for violating A&M policy.  Clearly wasn't anything too bad and it was only once unlike some of his teammates.   
https://www.theeagle.com/aggie_sports/texas-a-m-basketball-team-dismisses-caldwell-suspends-chandler/article_24f57b2e-0f84-11e8-819c-1b29ae93ee4c.html
I may be color blind, it's delusional think a 2-game suspension for a college athlete who has their whole world in college designed so that they can skirt the rules "wasn't anything too bad". If it wasn't anything too bad, we'd know what it was.

I think the assumption is that it was MJ.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Emmette Bryant on June 22, 2018, 08:45:20 PM
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/06/22/nba-draft-2018-surprises-luka-doncic-trae-young-michael-porter-jr

(Williams)  fit in Boston is strong and will give him a terrific opportunity to tap into his full potential. He has the physical ability and basketball talent to become a highly valuable player, and while he’s frequently been compared to Clint Capela, Williams may actually be more athletic and has a stronger feel for the game at the same age. That’s not to say that means anything, of course, but the profile is there. The biggest knock on him has been his consistency, which he has publicly acknowledged as an area of improvement. You’ll find few NBA coaches who have the patience for young bigs that don’t play hard on a consistent basis, and Williams hasn’t done enough yet to earn the benefit of the doubt in that regard.

According to league sources, Williams’s fall in the draft didn’t stem as much from his recurring knee soreness and lower back stiffness as it did from background work. Some teams were not impressed with Williams in interviews, and a string of questionable decisions raised further concerns based on the intel they had. Williams served a suspension for violating team policy at Texas A&M to open this season, chose to skip this year’s draft combine entirely, decided to fire agent Mike Silverman in favor of BDA Sports Management with a month to go until the draft, and did little to assuage concerns in the minds of many front offices. The Celtics, to their credit, have the ideal infrastructure in place to bring Williams along and help him adjust to life as a professional. His selection at No. 27 may prove a coup for player and team alike.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Rosco917 on June 23, 2018, 10:42:45 AM
I can see oversleeping from miscommunication...but from here on in, I expect to see signs that we drafted a young adult and not a child.

NBA teams not being impressed with interviews is not a good sign when considering character.

I wonder what his grades looked like? Did he take SATS? I'm not expecting Einstein but I'm sure he attended some classes.

Here he has the greatest opportunity in his life, hopefully he'll take advantage of it.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 23, 2018, 10:59:40 AM
Here's a story on the Texas A&M suspensions.  Just says he was suspended for violating A&M policy.  Clearly wasn't anything too bad and it was only once unlike some of his teammates.   
https://www.theeagle.com/aggie_sports/texas-a-m-basketball-team-dismisses-caldwell-suspends-chandler/article_24f57b2e-0f84-11e8-819c-1b29ae93ee4c.html
I may be color blind, it's delusional think a 2-game suspension for a college athlete who has their whole world in college designed so that they can skirt the rules "wasn't anything too bad". If it wasn't anything too bad, we'd know what it was.

I think the assumption is that it was MJ.
That's what I'm assuming especially since two of his teammates got arrested mid way through the season for MJ possession.   
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: rollie mass on June 23, 2018, 11:13:08 AM
The team is full of tough defensive minded young guys that work hard along with the vets..I would say with strength conditioning coaches,drills ,nutritionists by the pre season we may not recognize Williams.
I would bring in Legends  Bill Russell and Dave Cowens too high energy shorter centers for a cameo appearances Then Keven Garnett and Parrish who is from his neck of the woods.
Get Drew Hanlon in to work with Semi and Williams foul shots and jumpers.
Maybe he should dress for home games and go up to Maine rather than road trips.
20 years old away from home.His teammates have to become his family.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: hwangjini_1 on June 23, 2018, 11:13:33 AM
Robert Williams was not supposed to be at the NBA combine.  Here's a story two weeks before the combine indicating he like a lot of the top prospects were skipping the combine.  The agent generally decides whether the prospect should attend and how much they should do. 
https://sports.yahoo.com/complete-2018-nba-draft-combine-list-211843026.html 


Sure. I just know that he didn't do the combine and that hurt his stock because some GMs hoped to see him there. There's obviously no obligation, but unless you're a known no-miss prospect, not showing up at the combine is construed as having something to hide. Moreover, some players show up even if they don't plan to participate in the drills just to do sitdowns with teams.

There is no obligation to show up at the draft.  I like Williams even more for staying home and watching it with his family.  Considering how he dropped, it was a smart decision optically.

No, but many players do. Those projected to go in the lottery certainly do. I thought his absence was unusual.

He didn't blow off the conference call.  He overslept and it sounds like the team's communication was partially at fault.
"Dog ate my homework" excuse. Means you didn't care enough to make sure you're up and available. Set as many alarm clocks as you need, tell everyone in the house to wake you up, go to bed on time. It's all within your control if you care enough.

Williams did get suspended for an exhibition game and the 1st two regular season games.  Most definitely not good.  However the situation at Texas A&M was bad with several teammates getting suspended during the season including 1 getting dismissed from the team.
I'm surprised no details have come out. Maybe it's just nothing, but in the context of all the other eyebrow-raisers it doesn't help.

Don't know why you brought up his only starting 40 of 61 games.  Texas A&M was a very poor fitting collection of players.  The coach sometimes tried bringing Williams off the bench to offset Williams and Davis playing together.
Mostly because I think that if you're such a great talent then you're a mortal lock for the starting lineup, and everything else gets adjusted around you. But that's conjecture. Again, like everything else, it might amount to nothing in the end, but all of these are obvious red flags at this point.
I think you're color blind.  Those flags are not even pink.  Williams is a late bloomer not some great talent that was projected to be an NBA player since he was 12.  He was #64 on the RSCI rankings for the 2016 high school class.  He wasn't a projected one-and-done lottery pick so his freshman performance was to a degree a breakout season.  Williams is an intriguing raw project but he's also a two time SEC defensive player of the year. 
http://www.draftexpress.com/RSCI/2016/ 

Here's a story on the Texas A&M suspensions.  Just says he was suspended for violating A&M policy.  Clearly wasn't anything too bad and it was only once unlike some of his teammates.   
https://www.theeagle.com/aggie_sports/texas-a-m-basketball-team-dismisses-caldwell-suspends-chandler/article_24f57b2e-0f84-11e8-819c-1b29ae93ee4c.html
i am in the "let's see what we have here and see whether the bad optics are predictive or not." let's not over react, but let's pose real questions. i mean, gerald green famously fell asleep during a session with ainge trying to teach him how to read film. it took him a long time to figure things out in his life.

koz relentlessly asks (and that is okay) is robwill a GG redo? we don't know, but we might soon enough. will he be a good citizen this summer? i hope so.

but please let me address your response to Koz. first, your initial paragraph is unrelated to koz's arguements. he doesnt argue that robwill no no talent or wasnt ranked highly. so, i am not sure how that point fits into the larger argument. remember, GG was highly ranked before he fell in the draft. talent is not a predictor of knucklehead-ocity.

your second paragraph raises a good point on the suspension. NONE OF US KNOW WHY HE WAS SUSPENDED. he is only 20 years old and i know that my choices at that age were not always stellar, sage, and wise.  ::) i grew out of it, mostly. (please do not confirm this with my partner. :) )

is robwill a knucklehead at present? it could be so, given what we have seen so far. but it is not a lock by any means that he is a knucklehead.

will robwill be a knucklehead in the future? could be. but i think we need to wait and see before casting any judgement. oh, and by the way, Koz did not say "robwill = knucklehead for sure."

Koz fairly raised good questions on our newest baby celtic.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 23, 2018, 12:12:51 PM
Robert Williams was not supposed to be at the NBA combine.  Here's a story two weeks before the combine indicating he like a lot of the top prospects were skipping the combine.  The agent generally decides whether the prospect should attend and how much they should do. 
https://sports.yahoo.com/complete-2018-nba-draft-combine-list-211843026.html 


Sure. I just know that he didn't do the combine and that hurt his stock because some GMs hoped to see him there. There's obviously no obligation, but unless you're a known no-miss prospect, not showing up at the combine is construed as having something to hide. Moreover, some players show up even if they don't plan to participate in the drills just to do sitdowns with teams.

There is no obligation to show up at the draft.  I like Williams even more for staying home and watching it with his family.  Considering how he dropped, it was a smart decision optically.

No, but many players do. Those projected to go in the lottery certainly do. I thought his absence was unusual.

He didn't blow off the conference call.  He overslept and it sounds like the team's communication was partially at fault.
"Dog ate my homework" excuse. Means you didn't care enough to make sure you're up and available. Set as many alarm clocks as you need, tell everyone in the house to wake you up, go to bed on time. It's all within your control if you care enough.

Williams did get suspended for an exhibition game and the 1st two regular season games.  Most definitely not good.  However the situation at Texas A&M was bad with several teammates getting suspended during the season including 1 getting dismissed from the team.
I'm surprised no details have come out. Maybe it's just nothing, but in the context of all the other eyebrow-raisers it doesn't help.

Don't know why you brought up his only starting 40 of 61 games.  Texas A&M was a very poor fitting collection of players.  The coach sometimes tried bringing Williams off the bench to offset Williams and Davis playing together.
Mostly because I think that if you're such a great talent then you're a mortal lock for the starting lineup, and everything else gets adjusted around you. But that's conjecture. Again, like everything else, it might amount to nothing in the end, but all of these are obvious red flags at this point.
I think you're color blind.  Those flags are not even pink.  Williams is a late bloomer not some great talent that was projected to be an NBA player since he was 12.  He was #64 on the RSCI rankings for the 2016 high school class.  He wasn't a projected one-and-done lottery pick so his freshman performance was to a degree a breakout season.  Williams is an intriguing raw project but he's also a two time SEC defensive player of the year. 
http://www.draftexpress.com/RSCI/2016/ 

Here's a story on the Texas A&M suspensions.  Just says he was suspended for violating A&M policy.  Clearly wasn't anything too bad and it was only once unlike some of his teammates.   
https://www.theeagle.com/aggie_sports/texas-a-m-basketball-team-dismisses-caldwell-suspends-chandler/article_24f57b2e-0f84-11e8-819c-1b29ae93ee4c.html
i am in the "let's see what we have here and see whether the bad optics are predictive or not." let's not over react, but let's pose real questions. i mean, gerald green famously fell asleep during a session with ainge trying to teach him how to read film. it took him a long time to figure things out in his life.

koz relentlessly asks (and that is okay) is robwill a GG redo? we don't know, but we might soon enough. will he be a good citizen this summer? i hope so.

but please let me address your response to Koz. first, your initial paragraph is unrelated to koz's arguements. he doesnt argue that robwill no no talent or wasnt ranked highly. so, i am not sure how that point fits into the larger argument. remember, GG was highly ranked before he fell in the draft. talent is not a predictor of knucklehead-ocity.

your second paragraph raises a good point on the suspension. NONE OF US KNOW WHY HE WAS SUSPENDED. he is only 20 years old and i know that my choices at that age were not always stellar, sage, and wise.  ::) i grew out of it, mostly. (please do not confirm this with my partner. :) )

is robwill a knucklehead at present? it could be so, given what we have seen so far. but it is not a lock by any means that he is a knucklehead.

will robwill be a knucklehead in the future? could be. but i think we need to wait and see before casting any judgement. oh, and by the way, Koz did not say "robwill = knucklehead for sure."

Koz fairly raised good questions on our newest baby celtic.
My initial paragraph was in direct response to koz bringing up Williams only starting 40 of 61 games and his stating: 
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Mostly because I think that if you're such a great talent then you're a mortal lock for the starting lineup, and everything else gets adjusted around you.
That statement is ill informed.  First, Williams wasn't considered a great talent coming out of high school.  That's why he ended up at Texas A&M not Kentucky or Duke.  Second, coaches rule in college.  For the most part, they don't torque their system around to fit the talent.  They fit the talent into their system.  Third, the Texas A&M talent just didn't fit well.  They didn't have the guard talent to complement their talented bigs and in college success is predicated on good guard play.   
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on June 23, 2018, 12:17:25 PM
not a good start Rollie , but i’m still excited
https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/1010176849492799488?s=21

The Celtics were scheduled to have an 11 am conference call with first-round pick Robert Williams but have not been able to get in contact with him and have postponed the call.

GOOD GRIEF. SMH
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Ogaju on June 23, 2018, 12:41:36 PM
when you have a bad rep for attitude and motivation and you miss your first team event, it is a bad look.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Ogaju on June 23, 2018, 12:50:37 PM
Rozier looked very cool in his guest shot like a fun loving kid as he punked Ainge

That was actually really stupid by Rozier. Now imagine if Ainge had said something like, "yeah, he's acted like an idiot, but we think we can straighten him out", or something to the like, thinking his conversation was private. Would you still think that was "very cool"?

We dodged a bullet. That could've gone really wrong.

This x 100 if Ainge did not have the heads up. Really dangerous.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Ogaju on June 23, 2018, 01:05:43 PM
It's not a great start, but I think you also have to leave some room for a kid just needing a little growing up. The Celtics can give him structure. Get him a driver to practices/ games. Brown and Tatum can make friends and teach him new habits.

There's some risk when a kid lacks work ethic, but if he's not out of shape, not committing crimes, not clashing with teammates, not having substance abuse issues, etc... it's also too soon to judge how he'll react to the NBA life.

all  true but isnt it better not to have to make these excuses. All folks are saying it it is not a good look. Can we not just agree on that?
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Ogaju on June 23, 2018, 01:11:05 PM
No Harm- No Foul and Rozier did look cool that is a great shirt, expensive with his ripped jeans.
Rozier is a likable guy not really cognizant of possible repercussions.Just a kid that plays ball.
The point was Rozier has come a long way from jumping in pool in a suit and eating spaghetti sandwiches -a lighthearted conversation  with Danny zinging him with "looking for a point guard"
Next we will have "What If Cops"

Exactly, the conversation that they both had was very light and playful, with Ainge and his quick jab at Rozier, "I'm going to need to draft a point guard." Relax people lol.

the jab was the main problem... what if the jab was something else? Something more rapier and aimed at someone else? Actually now that the jab has been broadcast what if it gives other GMs an insight into how much Ainge values Rozier or better still what if Ainge now feels he cannot trade Rozier because it would make him look cold in a ' he joked with Rozier about replacing him and then pulled the trigger' kind of way?
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Chris22 on June 23, 2018, 01:12:16 PM
He went to his aunt's house to sleep. Yikes, he's a bust!
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Ogaju on June 23, 2018, 01:33:29 PM
He went to his aunt's house to sleep. Yikes, he's a bust!

bad look
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: bellerephon on June 23, 2018, 01:49:11 PM
Not going to the combine was most likely part of a plan on the part of his agent. The fact that it likely ended up hurting his draft position is not in any way a mark against Williams but rather a mistake by the agent.

Not attending the draft is also in no way a mark against Williams. It's not an obligation and it means nothing that he didn't go. We can only speculate as to why he did not attend, but in the end it means nothing.

Missing the conference call could be a sign of immaturity, depends why he missed it and we will likely never know the real reason. I don't regard it as a big deal.

I'm not suggesting there are no causes for concern. The suspension should not be dismissed. It doesn't mean he's a bad guy, but it needs to be taken into consideration. In the end I'm not too worried about it, I'm sure the Celts know the reason for the suspension and were able to put it in its proper perspective.

The most worrisome thing is his reputation for having a poor motor. That is the only thing I have heard that could stand in his way at the NBA level, but it is potentially huge. I don't watch much college ball, and I have never seen Williams play, so I have no idea if the charge is legit. If true it's a big problem, we will see.

The knee is also an issue, if there are real injury concerns that should not be dismissed. In the end, however, there is no way a kid with this potential would slip to 27 if there were no issues. The Celts did the right thing rolling the dice on Williams, I don't think anyone else that was on the board at 27 has even half his potential.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: green_bballers13 on June 23, 2018, 01:54:19 PM
He went to his aunt's house to sleep. Yikes, he's a bust!

bad look

Nope.

Biggest night of his life, and he missed some stupid conference call for the media early the next am. It's not like this was a big event that he missed. He made a stupid mistake for a stupid conference call. What were we going to learn from this conference call? How would that information help the Boston Celtics win the championship?

It would be different if it was his first day of actual work. This was a trivial event, and he treated it like it wasn't important. I'd agree with you if the conference call had any impact on anything.

We don't need to analyze every action and try to pull a greater meaning out of it. I'm sure the team is going to focus on time management with young Robert Williams. Until it becomes an actual issue, I'm going to focus on his basketball play.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: kozlodoev on June 23, 2018, 02:15:08 PM
It would be different if it was his first day of actual work. This was a trivial event, and he treated it like it wasn't important. I'd agree with you if the conference call had any impact on anything.
Here's the thing: treating stuff like it isn't important never looks good to the people you work for. Even if the stuff isn't really important. My experience is that people who can't adequately complete small, not-so-important tasks without falling flat on their face definitely cannot manage bigger, more important tasks.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Ogaju on June 23, 2018, 02:47:31 PM
He went to his aunt's house to sleep. Yikes, he's a bust!

bad look

Nope.

Biggest night of his life, and he missed some stupid conference call for the media early the next am. It's not like this was a big event that he missed. He made a stupid mistake for a stupid conference call. What were we going to learn from this conference call? How would that information help the Boston Celtics win the championship?

It would be different if it was his first day of actual work. This was a trivial event, and he treated it like it wasn't important. I'd agree with you if the conference call had any impact on anything.

We don't need to analyze every action and try to pull a greater meaning out of it. I'm sure the team is going to focus on time management with young Robert Williams. Until it becomes an actual issue, I'm going to focus on his basketball play.

Okay then, great look.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Chris22 on June 23, 2018, 02:56:50 PM
All this will be forgotten the first time he blocks Lebron's shot.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Roy H. on June 23, 2018, 02:59:32 PM
He went to his aunt's house to sleep. Yikes, he's a bust!

bad look

Nope.

Biggest night of his life, and he missed some stupid conference call for the media early the next am. It's not like this was a big event that he missed. He made a stupid mistake for a stupid conference call. What were we going to learn from this conference call? How would that information help the Boston Celtics win the championship?

It would be different if it was his first day of actual work. This was a trivial event, and he treated it like it wasn't important. I'd agree with you if the conference call had any impact on anything.

We don't need to analyze every action and try to pull a greater meaning out of it. I'm sure the team is going to focus on time management with young Robert Williams. Until it becomes an actual issue, I'm going to focus on his basketball play.

Okay then, great look.

Yeah, if we can’t admit that blowing off your future employer is a bad look,I don’t know what we all can possibly agree on.

It was a bad look. It doesn’t define him, but don’t sugarcoat it.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: konkmv on June 23, 2018, 04:40:37 PM
We have high expectations from 27th pick.... it is up to him to stay in the league... at first he will be behind Horford baynes theis Morris and Tatum at the rotation... If he learns he plays.. If he falls asleep adios.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 23, 2018, 05:20:46 PM
Most young men that age have maturity issues.   Still I wish we knew more about the team rules thing in the NCAA that got him suspended a few games.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: moiso on June 23, 2018, 09:11:56 PM
Even more concerning than missing the initial call is that Williams’ comments were barely deciferable when he finally got on the phone.  What’s up with that?  Doesn’t sound good to me.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Roy H. on June 23, 2018, 09:33:37 PM
Even more concerning than missing the initial call is that Williams’ comments were barely deciferable when he finally got on the phone.  What’s up with that?  Doesn’t sound good to me.

What’s the problem with having a bad cell connection?
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: moiso on June 23, 2018, 09:35:52 PM
Even more concerning than missing the initial call is that Williams’ comments were barely deciferable when he finally got on the phone.  What’s up with that?  Doesn’t sound good to me.

What’s the problem with having a bad cell connection?
Is that what it was?  I was thinking substance abuse when I read about it.  Glad it was just a connection problem.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: green_bballers13 on June 24, 2018, 12:15:28 AM
He went to his aunt's house to sleep. Yikes, he's a bust!

bad look

Nope.

Biggest night of his life, and he missed some stupid conference call for the media early the next am. It's not like this was a big event that he missed. He made a stupid mistake for a stupid conference call. What were we going to learn from this conference call? How would that information help the Boston Celtics win the championship?

It would be different if it was his first day of actual work. This was a trivial event, and he treated it like it wasn't important. I'd agree with you if the conference call had any impact on anything.

We don't need to analyze every action and try to pull a greater meaning out of it. I'm sure the team is going to focus on time management with young Robert Williams. Until it becomes an actual issue, I'm going to focus on his basketball play.

Okay then, great look.

Yeah, if we can’t admit that blowing off your future employer is a bad look,I don’t know what we all can possibly agree on.

It was a bad look. It doesn’t define him, but don’t sugarcoat it.

I agree that I'm sugar coating it. I'm trying to ignore a potential negative and adopt a positive image of this young guy before I see him play. Call me a homer. I tend to like to think that there's more good in people than bad. I generally don't agree with cynics/pessimists.

I'm a Robert Williams fan, at least until he gives me a reason not to be one.
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: ederson on June 24, 2018, 04:24:45 AM

I agree that I'm sugar coating it. I'm trying to ignore a potential negative and adopt a positive image of this young guy before I see him play. Call me a homer. I tend to like to think that there's more good in people than bad. I generally don't agree with cynics/pessimists.

I'm a Robert Williams fan, at least until he gives me a reason not to be one.

so they way to talk him is to ignore potential flaws and exaggerate on his talents.....

no wonder we see his name next to established stars and (dare i say it??) Bill Russel
Title: Re: maturity issues or medical issues
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 24, 2018, 07:02:36 AM
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What’s the problem with having a bad cell connection?

I used to live in a place in the USA that has very poor cell reception and no broadband internet in SE OHIO.   It still does not have things I would imagine LA can be the same way in some parts.