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Offline celticsclay

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I’m just frustrated. Don’t know who to blame

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Mazzula calls most of Miami's threes "moderately to heavily contested." #Celtics #Heat 

Okay, where can we find the shot chart, because that absolutely was NOT what I was seeing. Most of them looked moderately to wide open if anything.

Sounds like someone who doesn’t plan on making any adjustments. 😡

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Mazzula calls most of Miami's threes "moderately to heavily contested." #Celtics #Heat 

Okay, where can we find the shot chart, because that absolutely was NOT what I was seeing. Most of them looked moderately to wide open if anything.

Sounds like someone who doesn’t plan on making any adjustments. 😡

Most of them were warm up 3s as Stan van gundy pointed out. They were open

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The Celtics can’t win a championship with this coach. It’s not going to happen. He doesn’t have a clue how to adjust or change the rotation on the fly ect ect ect. Or anything else. You can’t fire the players although Brad has tried. And this isn’t an over action. I’ve been saying this for ever. He’s over his head and unless Tatum goes Lebron / Jokic on teams we won’t win it. The evidence is right infront of us.
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I’m just frustrated. Don’t know who to blame

+1 for me too.   

It feels like the main issue is after Miami went torrid hot from 3 in the first we didn't make any def adjustments.
but that might not be true either.

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The Celtics can’t win a championship with this coach. It’s not going to happen. He doesn’t have a clue how to adjust or change the rotation on the fly ect ect ect. Or anything else. You can’t fire the players although Brad has tried. And this isn’t an over action. I’ve been saying this for ever. He’s over his head and unless Tatum goes Lebron / Jokic on teams we won’t win it. The evidence is right infront of us.

It’s unfortunately much deeper than Mazzulla being out of his depth. The truth is that this is not a team, it’s just a collection of talented players. If you want to see what an actual team looks like, watch Denver.

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It's at least moderately concerning that so many of the Celtics think their closeouts were adequate to good tonight.

Is that in general or compared to the gameplan? Because in general, I don't think they were very good at all.

If it was to the gameplan? 🤷‍♂️

God forbid I quote Keith Smith, but he’s spot on here. It’s worrisome that this is the takeaway from the group.

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GUTLESS performance.

all need their pay revoked.

make them go work at dunkin donuts for a week and struggle in the real world

the they will see they are making millions playing a game and they do not even show up

disgusting and vile
LET'S GO CELTICS!

Offline SparzWizard

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The fact that we are on page 137 of this thread speaks volume about Joe's inability to coach. This is Joe's full year with an assistant line and his second postseason as head coach yet things like this keeps happening. Joe thinks he's Bill Belichick deflecting questions and providing short phrases responses and all, but really he's a bum like Matt Patricia.


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The Celtics can’t win a championship with this coach. It’s not going to happen. He doesn’t have a clue how to adjust or change the rotation on the fly ect ect ect. Or anything else. You can’t fire the players although Brad has tried. And this isn’t an over action. I’ve been saying this for ever. He’s over his head and unless Tatum goes Lebron / Jokic on teams we won’t win it. The evidence is right infront of us.

It’s unfortunately much deeper than Mazzulla being out of his depth. The truth is that this is not a team, it’s just a collection of talented players. If you want to see what an actual team looks like, watch Denver.

I think it is D White and Jrue who make us a team. Who bring other players together and make them collective. And when they don't play well, the team doesn't look good.

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I'm asking a Yes/No question to this entire forum: Are these issues the same as the last 8 years?

Because honestly, I feel they are. And that was even with Ime/Stevens. Also, the team has guys like JVG, Cassell, etc. as assistant coaches and advisors. At some point I start to look at the players more. A ton of reliance on the 3. Players becoming soft and mentally weak. Some terrible lapses in-game.

Mazzulla deserves some blame but I think blaming primarily him is just missing the point frankly.

The issue is that we don't have transcendent talent, and our best player hasn't shown that he consistently perform when it counts most.

Add that to a constant uphill battle that is Joe's terrible coaching, and it's no wonder why we underperform in the playoffs despite our stacked rosters.
Joe.

Our best player was iced by coach...
Still don't believe in Joe.

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The fact that we are on page 137 of this thread speaks volume about Joe's inability to coach. This is Joe's full year with an assistant line and his second postseason as head coach yet things like this keeps happening. Joe thinks he's Bill Belichick deflecting questions and providing short phrases responses and all, but really he's a bum like Matt Patricia.

We were assured by the Joe stans him having good assistant coaches would solve these problems. Yet here we are having the same problem against a less talented heat team than last year.

Brad needs to be held accountable for making this clown HC
Still don't believe in Joe.

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https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2024/04/joe-mazzulla-gives-bizarre-assessment-of-celtics-game-2-defense-vs-heat.html

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The Heat made history in Game 2 on Wednesday night, erupting for a postseason franchise record 23 3-point makes in a 111-101 upset win over the Celtics to even the series at 1-1. The bombardment came from a diverse cast for the undermanned Heat with six different players knocking down multiple 3s as the team shot a scorching-hot 53.5 percent from 3-point range.

The move to fire away from deep should not come as a surprising choice. Without Jimmy Butler and Terry Rozier, Miami lacks reliable creators and attackers at the rim outside of Bam Adebayo and Tyler Herro. The team was going to need to roll the dice from beyond the arc to give themselves a chance. Their hot start put added pressure on a Celtics offense that struggled to keep pace and got little help all night beyond their two All-Stars.

Yet the assessment of Miami’s steellar shooting after the game led to a bizarre evaluation by Mazzulla of his team’s role defensively in the outburst.

“Defensively, obviously they made a conscious effort with free reign to shoot more,” Mazzulla said. “I thought most of those were moderately to heavily contested, so we’re going to have to make the adjustment on some of those.”

That assessment stood in contrast to a couple of Celtics players after the defeat as Jaylen Brown and Jrue Holiday acknowledged the Celtics were willing to let most Heat shooters fire away.

“They were making shots, guys that we want shooting the ball were hitting them,” Brown said. “Seemingly couldn’t get them to miss. Credit to those guys.”

Holiday was more candid about Boston’s tactics right out of the gate.

“I think just starting off, the guys that we wanted to shoot, not that we let them, but it wasn’t like a get out to them and put it on the ground,” Holiday said. It was kind of like protect the basket but still get a close-out, but they started knocking them in. We know Martin can shoot, but they had guys out there that were knocking in everything, even Jaime Jaquez just knocking it in.”


Miami’s hot shooting night should have had a familiar feel for the Celtics as Game 2 proved to be the fourth time in the last two postseasons that the Heat shot 50 percent or better from 3-point range.

A video review of Miami’s made 3s indicates that Mazzulla’s assertions are dubious. There were maybe 10 total contests of those 23 3-point field goals by the Heat and that’s having a generous threshold for what this author considers to be a contested shot. Boston moderately or heavily contested perhaps a handful of those makes. The rest? The Celtics were inviting wide-open looks. A few came on defensive breakdowns via rotations (another area Boston had to clean up) but the Celtics gameplan here was clear and failed.

Mazzulla’s late-game tactics were also questionable. The team threw an extra body at the Herro/Adebayo pick-and-roll and left wide-open hot shooters (Haywood Highsmith, Caleb Martin) with the game on the line with ugly results. Closing the game out with Kristaps Porzingis (-32) over Al Horford (+8) invites debate as well since Horford was the superior defender on this night.

Ultimately, there is nothing here that the Celtics can’t clean up going into Game 3. Yet, Mazzulla’s gameplan opened the door for the Heat to fully lean into their high 3-point shooting volume. Miami’s drivers shouldn’t share the Celtics more than their ability to hit the 3-ball in this series. While Jaquez and Martin shot over their heads in Game 2, they did so on wide-open looks. Meanwhile, Boston did a horrific job respecting a host of 40 percent 3-point shooters (Herro, Highsmith, Jovic) and was punished accordingly.

The pressure is on Mazzulla and the Celtics to respond on this front in Game 3 to retake command.

“I think we’ve gotta be more creative,” Tatum said. “The playoffs are about making adjustments game to game, and they did that...They’re supposed to try to mess things a little up, and make it a little bit tougher. So it’s our job to react in real time, as well as make our adjustments going from game to game.”

I love BRobb. He's always willing to call out Joe's questionable decisions.

This is just so bad. Not only were all of our memories right that the majority of the shots were anything but "moderately to heavily contested", but this kind of gameplan just makes no sense to me whatsoever. Sure, in the NBA you at times definitely have to give up something to stop something that is more impactful, but that's generally the case for high-powered offenses like Denver, where you might sag off of Gordon to double Jokic or stay tighter to everyone else.

But against a mediocre Heat offense that has no Butler or Rozier, why in the world are we giving up open looks to their shooters, particularly some of their better shooters? In fact, this just played right into their hands. Their only chance was to try and shoot and hit a lot of threes, and at their core that's what they are - a three point shooting team. So what sense does it make to really pack the paint in this scenario? And it's not like we laid off some of their shooters to stay tighter on their better shooters like Herro or Robinson, as we were essentially giving them wide open looks off of every PnR by dropping so low with our big. And then Robb picks up on the late-game adjustment to bring the extra help out on the high PnR instead of just going small, which again just left wide open hot shooters to hit more threes.

Just make it make sense.

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Off with his head!
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It's at least moderately concerning that so many of the Celtics think their closeouts were adequate to good tonight.

Is that in general or compared to the gameplan? Because in general, I don't think they were very good at all.

If it was to the gameplan? 🤷‍♂️

God forbid I quote Keith Smith, but he’s spot on here. It’s worrisome that this is the takeaway from the group.

These guys might be starting to believe their own press that they're better than they've proven to be so far. A humiliating defeat like this and 3 days to stew over it should do them good. They're lucky that the TD Garden crowd didn't start throwing rotten fruit and veggies at them  >:(
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