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Title: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: FLCeltsFan on December 11, 2012, 09:59:18 PM
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Dallas Mavericks (11-10) at Boston Celtics (11-9)
Wednesday, December 12, 2012
8:00 PM ET
Regular Season Game #21 – Home Game #12
TV:  ESPN, CSN-NE, FSSW-DA
Radio:  WEEI, KESN
TD Garden 

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Probable Starting Matchups
Point Guard
(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Rondo_Rajon_bos_1112.jpg)  vs  (http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Fisher_Derek_dal.jpg)
Rajon Rondo vs Derek Fisher

Shooting Guard

(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Terry_Jason_BOS.jpg)  vs  (http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Mayo_OJ_DAL.jpg)
Jason Terry vs OJ Mayo 

Small Forward

(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Pierce_Paul_bos_1112.jpg)  vs  (http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b58/FLCeltsFan12/DahntayJones.jpg)
Paul Pierce vs Dahntay Jones

Power Forward
(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Bass_Brandon_BOS.jpg)  vs  (http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Marion_Shawn_DAL.jpg)
Brandon Bass  vs Shawn Marion

Center

(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Garnett_Kevin_BOS.jpg)  vs  (http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Kaman_Chris_DAL.jpg)
Kevin Garnett vs Chris Kaman

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Celtics Reserves
Jared Sullinger
Jason Collins
Courtney Lee
Jeff Green
Fab Melo
Leandro Barbosa
Chris Wilcox

Injuries

Avery Bradley (shoulders) out

D-League
Kris Joseph 

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Dallas Reserves
Darren Collison
Vince Carter
Elton Brand
Jae Crowder
Roddy Beaubois
Jared Cunningham
Bernard James
Dominique Jones
Brandan Wright

Injuries
Dirk Nowitski (knee)  out 

Team Connections
Team Connections: Mavs head coach Rick Carlisle played for the Celtics from 1984-87 and was a member of the 1985-86 championship team
Mavs assistant coach Jim O’Brien was the Celtics head coach from 2001-04
Brandon Bass played for the Mavericks from 2007-09
Bass and Vince Carter were teammates in Orlando during the 2009-10 season
Jason Collins and Vince Carter were teammates in New Jersey from 2004-07
Chris Wilcox and Elton Brand were teammates on the Clippers from 2002-06
Chris Wilcox and Chris Kaman were teammates on the Clippers from 2003-06
Celtics Head Coach Doc Rivers and Jae Crowder both attended Marquette
Dahntay Jones was drafted by the Celtics with the 20th pick in the 2003 NBA Draft
Jason Terry played for the Mavericks from 2004-12 and was a member of their 2011 NBA Championship team
Leandro Barbosa and Shawn Marion were teammates in Phoenix from 2003-08
Barbosa, Dahntay Jones and Darren Collison were teammates in Indiana during the 2011-12 season.

Game Notes
The Mavericks make their only visit to the Garden in the Celtics last home game before taking a 3 game road trip through Texas and Chicago.  When the Celtics hosted the Thunder, Jeff Green had a big game against his old team.  The the Celtics hosted the Timberwolves and KG had a big game against his former team.  Now it's Jason Terry's turn to face his former team. 

While all 3 players said that facing their former team was no big deal,  both KG and Jeff came up with big games to help defeat their old teams.  I expect the same of Jason Terry.  He's a veteran and has a way of coming up in big games,   even when he won't admit that it's a big game. 

The Mavs are just 4-7 on the road while the Celtics are 7-4 at home.  Both teams are 5-5 in their last 10 games.  The Mavs are on a hot streak, having won their last 3 games.  The Celtics are looking to win their second in a row. 

The Mavericks have been struggling with injuries and have been playing without their superstar who is out with a knee injury.  OJ Mayo has been coming up big for them in Dirk's absence and the Celtics will need to limit him in this game.  Shawn Marion has missed the last two games with a strained groin muscle but according to the Dallas News will start at power forward tonight. 

Key Matchups
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.e1d/img/4.0/global/basketball/nba/players/4149.jpg)  vs (http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.e1d/img/4.0/global/basketball/nba/players/3125.jpg)
Rajon Rondo vs Derek Fisher
Rondo has the advantage in this matchup.  Fisher was just signed on 11/29 and will still be learning the team.  Rondo is much quicker and Fisher isn't known for his defense so Rondo should have a big game. 

(http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.e1d/img/4.0/global/basketball/nba/players/3333.jpg)  vs  (http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.e1d/img/4.0/global/basketball/nba/players/4389.jpg)
Jason Terry vs OJ Mayo 
Mayo is averaging over 20 ppg and he has been playing very well.  JET will have a big challenge in defending him and trying to keep him from having a big game against the Celtics.  At the same time, hopefully Jason's shot is back on track so he can make Mayo work on defense as well. 

Keys to the Game
Rebound - Rebounding is so crucial to getting a win.  When the Celtics put out the effort to grab rebounds, more often than not, that effort extends to other areas of their game. . Rebounding is all in who wants it more and the Celtics have to be the team that wants it more. 

Defense - Defense is always crucial to getting a win.  Defense wins games is not just a cliche, it is the truth.  The Celtics must play tough team defense in this and every game.  We have seen flashes that they are getting back to their defensive identity as a team and hopefully we will see that defense on a more consistent basis. 

Bench Play - With Doc limiting the minutes of KG and Paul Pierce, the bench must produce in order for the Celtics to get the win.  Jeff Green, Chris Wilcox, Jared Sullinger, and Courtney Lee all must produce. 

Be Aggressive - When the Celtics are aggressive they are tough to beat.  They have to be aggressive in going to the basket and not settle for jumpers.  They have to be aggressive on defense and in diving for loose balls.  They have to be the team to set the pace and not let the Mavs set the pace and then have to keep up. 

X-Factor
Home Court And JET's Team
The Celtics are at home where they have been playing well.  Kevin Garnett and Jeff Green both responded with big games when their former teams came to town.  Now, it's JET's turn and his teammates need to back him up. 

Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: CelticsFan9 on December 11, 2012, 10:13:01 PM
I betcha JET's jawing at Mark Cuban by the second quarter.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 11, 2012, 10:15:21 PM
It feels like a long time since the last Celtics game.

They got a pretty long rest here.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: jdz101 on December 11, 2012, 10:30:13 PM
(http://minorinsights.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/orange-juice.jpg)(http://www.deliciouskitchen.com.au/SiteCollectionImages/ImageRepository/19/ClassicMayoJar.jpg)

For the love of god get a hand in his face!
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on December 12, 2012, 07:54:44 PM
LET'S GO CELTICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: timobusa on December 12, 2012, 08:01:02 PM
Prediction: Jet scores 24 points and a couple of daggers.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: mr. dee on December 12, 2012, 08:03:28 PM
I really hope JET is motivated for this game.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on December 12, 2012, 08:06:20 PM
Who agrees with magic?
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 12, 2012, 08:06:33 PM
Would you put Terry on Fisher and Rondo on Mayo?
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 12, 2012, 08:16:06 PM
Funny how all 3 officials missed that Kaman travel.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 08:19:23 PM
Dahntay Jones would be a nice guy to pickup next year or the year after. Whenever his contract expires. He'd be a nice 4th or 5th wing in the depth chart.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Chief on December 12, 2012, 08:21:01 PM
Does Pierce shoot too many 3s?
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 08:21:39 PM
I love Shawn Marion's quickness at the four.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Chief on December 12, 2012, 08:22:30 PM
Dahntay Jones would be a nice guy to pickup next year or the year after. Whenever his contract expires. He'd be a nice 4th or 5th wing in the depth chart.

Wasn't he a Celtic years ago? Maybe preseason??
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: azzenfrost on December 12, 2012, 08:23:33 PM
C's lead but not seeing the defense I like.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 12, 2012, 08:24:58 PM
Love me some Wilcox.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Chief on December 12, 2012, 08:25:12 PM
C's lead but not seeing the defense I like.

Bass very slow on rotations.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: mr. dee on December 12, 2012, 08:26:55 PM
Defense is starting to get a turnaround.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 08:27:13 PM
Dahntay Jones would be a nice guy to pickup next year or the year after. Whenever his contract expires. He'd be a nice 4th or 5th wing in the depth chart.

Wasn't he a Celtic years ago? Maybe preseason??
Yeah, I think it was the Championship season.

I'd like to bring him back. Quality deep reserve with his athleticism and defensive talent.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: lon3lytoaster on December 12, 2012, 08:27:52 PM
Dahntay Jones would be a nice guy to pickup next year or the year after. Whenever his contract expires. He'd be a nice 4th or 5th wing in the depth chart.

Wasn't he a Celtic years ago? Maybe preseason??

07-08 preseason, in Europe. Interestingly enough, he's in that picture of the C's in front of the coliseum in Rome that's still in Doc's office. Brandon Wallace made the team over him.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Chief on December 12, 2012, 08:28:53 PM
Green catches, thinks, and then makes his move. Got to spin to baseline as soon as you catch the ball.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 08:28:59 PM
Ahh ... he (J.Green) had him (Brand) on his heels. Keep attacking. Don't hesitate and force the pull up jumper. Just go around him. There is no way in hell Brand is quick enough to stick with Green on that switch.

Play smarter.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Big_Dave31 on December 12, 2012, 08:31:59 PM
Rondo should have really shot that.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: hpantazo on December 12, 2012, 08:32:32 PM
no Sullinger yet tonight?
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Chief on December 12, 2012, 08:32:46 PM
Dahntay Jones would be a nice guy to pickup next year or the year after. Whenever his contract expires. He'd be a nice 4th or 5th wing in the depth chart.

Wasn't he a Celtic years ago? Maybe preseason??

07-08 preseason, in Europe. Interestingly enough, he's in that picture of the C's in front of the coliseum in Rome that's still in Doc's office. Brandon Wallace made the team over him.

What a poor choice! :'(
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 08:33:57 PM
Nice short jump shot by Brandan Wright.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 08:35:03 PM
Oh boy, Mayo just blew by Terry. I don't like that matchup for Terry. Mayo is too athletic. Too physical. Too aggressive.

Edit: I think that was just a switch. Courtney Lee was on Mayo on the next possession. Did a really nice job contesting his shot too.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Chief on December 12, 2012, 08:36:08 PM
Remember when everyone thought Vince Carter was better than Pierce?


McGrady too?
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: mr. dee on December 12, 2012, 08:37:15 PM
Remember when everyone thought Vince Carter was better than Pierce?


McGrady too?
T-mac was better. It's just that his body is made of glass.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 08:40:51 PM
Great job by Sullinger on those two rebounds.

I like that Jeff Green vs Vince Carter matchup in the post. I want them to go back to that. Vince doesn't defend power threes well.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: mr. dee on December 12, 2012, 08:41:41 PM
Ugh. Terry and Green are cold so far.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 12, 2012, 08:43:28 PM
Sullinger has been terrific so far.  Good job on the PnR defense, some boards, and a great pass out of the post for the Lee 3.  Love this kid.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: j804 on December 12, 2012, 08:44:00 PM
Now THAT is Celtics defense
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: mr. dee on December 12, 2012, 08:44:12 PM
Nice 3's by Green and Lee.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 08:49:08 PM
Good double team by Terry on Kaman's post up. Bailed him out with that reach in though. Stupid foul.

Nice deflection by Sullinger on Brand's high low pass.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 08:51:31 PM
Sulllinger did a really good job while he was in there.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 12, 2012, 08:53:18 PM
In all fairness to Green, you can't iso him on the block all the time and expect good results.  I'd like to see him come off screens that allows him to get to his dominant hand.

Also, there's no excuse for giving up a layup to Fisher.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 08:57:53 PM
Dahntay Jones is playing some really good physical defense on Paul Pierce. Right up in his face. Clearly bothering Paul's handle.

I'd like to see Pierce get deeper touches against. Low post and mid post action instead of perimeter touches.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 09:01:10 PM
Wilcox is a great finisher around the basket. So versatile in the types of passes he can catch and shot attempts he can finish around the basket.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 09:02:00 PM
Good timeout by Rick Carlisle. Dallas falling apart and losing confidence over the last few minutes.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: mr. dee on December 12, 2012, 09:02:29 PM
Captain on Fisher. Gotta love that matchup :D
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: tonyto3690 on December 12, 2012, 09:04:43 PM
1.  If you look at just the boxscore it looks like Green is playing badly.  Nope. I love how he looks right now.  Playing aggressive to the basket and the team ran  their offense through him with Rondo on the bench.   Man this guy is fast.  The ball will start  to fall eventually. 

2.  Love Wilcox on the pick and roll.  It's always an easy bucket.  One of those go to plays you can count on for an easy basket in the playoffs.   Worst case scenario is the defense collapses on him to take it away and Bass/KG/Pierce/Terry is open for an easy jumper.

3.  Not that this is a new revelation, but PP Is an amazing scorer.  Can do it in every way.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Redz on December 12, 2012, 09:09:48 PM
Pierce is one of the all time greats at that shot.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: mr. dee on December 12, 2012, 09:10:13 PM
Wow! Captain with a three and one!
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 09:10:26 PM
Great tip out by Marion on the defensive glass to keep that rebound away from Garnett ... sparking the fastbreak basket for Darren Collison. Excellent effort.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Chief on December 12, 2012, 09:10:45 PM
Remember when everyone thought Vince Carter was better than Pierce?


McGrady too?
T-mac was better. It's just that his body is made of glass.

I guess that is because he does not have that playoff clutch gene.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: albas89 on December 12, 2012, 09:12:37 PM
Lee is constantly missing shots that every NBA guard should be able to make... it's getting frustrating, does he practice his shooting at all?? ::)
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Chief on December 12, 2012, 09:14:16 PM
Lee is constantly missing shots that every NBA guard should be able to make... it's getting frustrating, does he practice his shooting at all?? ::)

He needs to step in a foot or two.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: RJ87 on December 12, 2012, 09:18:47 PM
Its gotten to the point where I don't even expect Lee to hit wide open shots. I actually expect him to brick shots.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: JoT on December 12, 2012, 09:25:43 PM
Jet has been cold.
I seriously hope they do not go through that third quarter spell where they get down by 10+ and have to fight their way back.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 12, 2012, 09:25:51 PM
need to let sully play , bass isn't on tonight
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: apc on December 12, 2012, 09:30:40 PM
What did Barbosa do to upset Rivers?
Lee already missed 2 open 3s, the Jet is 0-4.
common Doc, unleash him.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 09:37:42 PM
What did Barbosa do to upset Rivers?
Lee already missed 2 open 3s, the Jet is 0-4.
common Doc, unleash him.
I like having Courtney Lee out there to defend OJ Mayo.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Chief on December 12, 2012, 09:39:38 PM
I don't want polish sausage on my pizza.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 12, 2012, 09:39:54 PM
had no idea Pierce was 10th in da league in ppg
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Change on December 12, 2012, 09:40:18 PM
What did Barbosa do to upset Rivers?
Lee already missed 2 open 3s, the Jet is 0-4.
common Doc, unleash him.

More minutes for Terry. Lee's shot will come around. For now he is being a great role player doing all the intangibles.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: apc on December 12, 2012, 09:41:31 PM
What did Barbosa do to upset Rivers?
Lee already missed 2 open 3s, the Jet is 0-4.
common Doc, unleash him.
I like having Courtney Lee out there to defend OJ Mayo.
Barbosa is low risk high reward, he deserves a few minutes, he will not lose the game, but may score a bunch.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 09:45:55 PM
Dallas' offense is really short of creators out there. They look desperate.

OJ Mayo has been quiet. I expected to see more of him.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 09:47:42 PM
Very happy Shawn Marion won a Championship. I love the way he plays.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: mr. dee on December 12, 2012, 09:51:04 PM
The usual 3rd quarter slacking.... smh..
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 12, 2012, 09:54:21 PM
dats a foul on Courtney lee? trynna keep da mavs in da game huh?
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: tgreanier on December 12, 2012, 09:54:26 PM
I am very happy with the Celtics offense, but their defense is somewhere between mediocre and solid...with a little too much mediocre. This is a .500 team if they don't improve on the defensive side. Dallas should not be in this game with all the turnovers and yet...here they are just like we have seen so many times. Celtics should be cruising and instead could soon be losing.

Poet, didn't know it.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Change on December 12, 2012, 09:55:19 PM
Zero shot blocking.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: mr. dee on December 12, 2012, 09:58:47 PM
Rondo at the buzzer. Wish he did that against philly.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: D.o.s. on December 12, 2012, 09:59:32 PM
Box score looks pretty even to me (no TV where I'm at right now),and we almost had a pair of 30 point quarters.

What's the eye test saying?
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: CelticsFan9 on December 12, 2012, 10:06:10 PM
There you go Jeff!  Nice oop I'm loving this!
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: tonyto3690 on December 12, 2012, 10:07:40 PM
Barbosa hasn't been playing because he's been a liability on defense.  It's not a coincidence our defense has gotten way better since he's been out.  He's still going to probably be a contributer later on, but right now he's nothing but a scoring spark plug when we absolutely need.  Our defense isn't good enough right now to have a Nate Robinson playing.


Lee's shot hasn't been falling obviously this season, but he's still been playing pretty solid defense and he's sprinted every single time there's been a fastbreak on offense and defense.  He does all the little things that you need to have to be a championship team.

He's too good a shooter for the shot to not start falling eventually.  But he can still be a contributer without shooting a bunch of 3s.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:07:47 PM
Bloody hell. What was Jeff Green doing there. Holding the ball for ages with the shot clock winding down 25 feet from the basket.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:08:48 PM
I really like those 8 to 14 foot range jumpers from Elton Brand.

I wished more players looked for that shot. Especially centers.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: nickagneta on December 12, 2012, 10:08:55 PM
Green's defense on Vince Carter is beyond bad in this quarter. He is getting lost on pick and rolls and switches and Carter is going right by him.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 12, 2012, 10:09:04 PM
Defense has been terrible so far in the 4th quarter and for a lot of this half.  I ain't worried about the offense, I want stops.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 12, 2012, 10:09:13 PM
Bloody hell. What was Jeff Green doing there. Holding the ball for ages with the shot clock winding down 25 feet from the basket.

Yeah, but I think more at fault is Rondo there. HE wasted the whole shot clock at the top of the key, then passes it to Green, and brings his defender toward him. So you have Green there, with two defenders on him and Rondo just standing next to him doing nothing.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: CeltsRoxfan on December 12, 2012, 10:09:44 PM
I really like JVG's rant on what the Lakers are missing and KG's intensity. Someone should put that on Youtube. Really true.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:11:21 PM
Box score looks pretty even to me (no TV where I'm at right now),and we almost had a pair of 30 point quarters.

What's the eye test saying?
They've had Dallas on the ropes several times but didn't finish them off. Let them get back into the game and now it's close game midway in the fourth. Celtics making life hard on themselves tonight. 

They have been the superior side but a hot shooting spell from Dallas or a bad few minutes Boston could end up costing them the win.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: tonyto3690 on December 12, 2012, 10:12:36 PM
This should not be a game right now. 
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:12:56 PM
Terrific pump fakes by Dahntay Jones to clear room for that layup. Looked like he had run out real estate there and got himself into trouble.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Change on December 12, 2012, 10:13:22 PM
+/- differential

Rondo - 3
Garnett +9

This team is nothing without Garnett.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 12, 2012, 10:13:57 PM
Here's Doc at his best, the extra small special.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: tgreanier on December 12, 2012, 10:14:04 PM
This should not be a game right now.

You said it. This is the most frustrating game I have watched all year - and I have watched them all. Losing at Philly sucked, but it was close the whole night. This one should have been over a long time ago. Instead, the wheels are coming off.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:14:49 PM
Bass doing a great job on pick and roll defensive coverages there.

Dallas' ball-handlers getting no joy against him.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: tonyto3690 on December 12, 2012, 10:15:30 PM
Amazing how Rondo hasn't played particularly well and is flirting with a triple double.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: tonyto3690 on December 12, 2012, 10:16:20 PM
+/- differential

Rondo - 3
Garnett +9

This team is nothing without Garnett.

Oh please.  I can't bring up endless boxscores where Rondo has a better +/- than KG.  KG is still in the NBA because of and only because of Rondo.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: mr. dee on December 12, 2012, 10:16:36 PM
Can't play sloppy in the 4th quarter. STOPS please!
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: nickagneta on December 12, 2012, 10:18:08 PM
+/- differential

Rondo - 3
Garnett +9

This team is nothing without Garnett.

KG is still in the NBA because of and only because of Rondo.
WRONG!!! Absolutely absurd statement.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Change on December 12, 2012, 10:19:10 PM
+/- differential

Rondo - 3
Garnett +9

This team is nothing without Garnett.

Oh please.  I can't bring up endless boxscores where Rondo has a better +/- than KG.  KG is still in the NBA because of and only because of Rondo.

You've got to be kidding! lol. Puhhhlease
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: D.o.s. on December 12, 2012, 10:19:35 PM
Box score looks pretty even to me (no TV where I'm at right now),and we almost had a pair of 30 point quarters.

What's the eye test saying?
They've had Dallas on the ropes several times but didn't finish them off. Let them get back into the game and now it's close game midway in the fourth. Celtics making life hard on themselves tonight. 

They have been the superior side but a hot shooting spell from Dallas or a bad few minutes Boston could end up costing them the win.

Sounds like we're getting the Celtics de rigueur tonight, then.

Wait, Vince Carter and Derek Fisher are in the game.

They should be bleeding points.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:19:48 PM
Dallas is playing this lineup

C:  Shawn Marion
PF: Vince Carter
SF: OJ Mayo
SG: Derek Fisher
PG: Darren Collison

Crazy lineup ...
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 12, 2012, 10:20:23 PM
Come on Rondo.

He looks a bit tired.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: tonyto3690 on December 12, 2012, 10:20:41 PM
Rondo giving Bass the death glare in the huddle for stealing his Rondo to prevent the triple double.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: nickagneta on December 12, 2012, 10:20:44 PM
Can't believe Fisher isn't picking up fouls for the way he is holding onto Pierce.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 12, 2012, 10:20:56 PM
Rondo has been makin some shaky passes tonight man smh
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 12, 2012, 10:21:30 PM
Dallas is playing this lineup

C:  Shawn Marion
PF: Vince Carter
SF: OJ Mayo
SG: Derek Fisher
PG: Darren Collison

Crazy lineup ...

Doc should counter with KG-Bass-Green-Pierce-Rondo.

Don't know why he doesn't... do bringing KG back on is a good step.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:22:04 PM
Dallas is playing this lineup

C:  Shawn Marion
PF: Vince Carter
SF: OJ Mayo
SG: Derek Fisher
PG: Darren Collison

Crazy lineup ...

Garnett is out there and Dallas is still sticking with that lineup. Carter is taking Bass. Fisher has to take Pierce.

This is a terrible defensive lineup for Dallas.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 12, 2012, 10:22:15 PM
Bad shot by Rondo.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: nickagneta on December 12, 2012, 10:23:09 PM
Bass gets the foul but Marion doesn't for pushing Pierce to create space.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:23:53 PM
Post up KG or Pierce every time. Neither Marion or Fisher can defend their check.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: hpantazo on December 12, 2012, 10:24:38 PM
Ugh! Matador defense on Collison in the clutch! I'm disgusted.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:24:46 PM
Oh great full-court driving layup from Darren Collison. So much speed and aggressiveness.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 12, 2012, 10:25:08 PM
Post up KG or Pierce every time. Neither Marion or Fisher can defend their check.

They won't. They'll give them the ball too far away from the basket. It's the usual crap.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 12, 2012, 10:26:00 PM
Oh great full-court driving layup from Darren Collison. So much speed and aggressiveness.

I'll relish the day when Rondo pushes the ball like that. I've rarely seen him do it. Against the Knicks comes to mind, and against the Bulls during the playoffs.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 12, 2012, 10:26:10 PM
Horrible transition D from Terry there, didn't even try to stop Collison.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Change on December 12, 2012, 10:26:48 PM
I feel bad for Coach Doc. I would have popped a vein by now. Pathetic effort on defense.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:28:20 PM
Big shot by Rondo to break Dallas' momentum ... and Fisher gives it right back to Dallas.

 Man, that guy hits a lot of clutch long jump shots.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Change on December 12, 2012, 10:29:25 PM
Big shot by Rondo to break Dallas' momentum ... and Fisher gives it right back to Dallas.

 Man, that guy hits a lot of clutch long jump shots.

Fishy is Celtics killer
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:29:38 PM
I am disappointed with OJ Mayo tonight. I expected him to shoulder a larger load as a shot creator / playmaker.

A lot of plays for Dallas where limited offensive creators are being forced to do too much.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: mr. dee on December 12, 2012, 10:30:21 PM
Clutch shot by fisher... The reason I want him in green.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 12, 2012, 10:31:13 PM
I am disappointed with OJ Mayo tonight. I expected him to shoulder a larger load as a shot creator / playmaker.

A lot of plays for Dallas where limited offensive creators are being forced to do too much.

Think other teams will watch the film and start trapping him?  He doesn't know what to do, he picks up his dribble and turns the ball over.  Needs to improve his ball handling and decision making.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: angryguy77 on December 12, 2012, 10:31:17 PM
Are these morons blind?
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:31:30 PM
I don't like these replays. I'd rather live with a few bad calls than have all this time-wasting.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: hpantazo on December 12, 2012, 10:31:38 PM
are you kidding me? Crawford should be fined. That's horrible!!!
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: mr. dee on December 12, 2012, 10:32:43 PM
It's Joey Crawford. Not surprised...
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:33:09 PM
Dallas need to change this lineup for defensive purposes.

Switch offense/defense here. Nah, they stayed small. Dumb.

Edit: They put on Dahntay Jones for Collison and stuck him on Pierce. Got Fisher off of Pierce. I like that. I think they still needed someone bigger on Kevin Garnett than Shawn Marion though.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Change on December 12, 2012, 10:34:16 PM
Pierce caught that ball too far out.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: angryguy77 on December 12, 2012, 10:35:03 PM
I don't like these replays. I'd rather live with a few bad calls than have all this time-wasting.

Yeah we waited for them to watch it and still blow the call. Joey c is terrible
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: mr. dee on December 12, 2012, 10:36:15 PM
I hate Pierce iso.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:36:30 PM
Pierce caught that ball too far out.
Agreed, he needed the ball closer in against the bigger defender in D.Jones.

That would have been a fine area for Pierce against Fisher but having a bigger tougher defender made it a bad area for Pierce.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 12, 2012, 10:37:18 PM
Well, we got the stop.  What does Doc draw up here?  It better not be a PP iso.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: hpantazo on December 12, 2012, 10:37:38 PM
It's Joey Crawford. Not surprised...

how can they watch all of those replays clearly showing the ball go out off Marion and then give it to Dallas? That's criminal.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:38:49 PM
Give it to Garnett if Marion is still on him.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:39:23 PM
Excellent defense by Fisher on Rondo. Terrific job.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 12, 2012, 10:39:24 PM
I'll tell you right now, Rondo is horrible driving to the basket at the end of games.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: mr. dee on December 12, 2012, 10:39:44 PM
Joey Crawford, Marc Davis and Dick Bavetta should be on Kia's MVP discussion.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: hpantazo on December 12, 2012, 10:39:47 PM
great...we replaced the Pierce iso with a Rondo iso...just great
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: angryguy77 on December 12, 2012, 10:39:51 PM
What was that???
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 12, 2012, 10:40:00 PM
Pretty sure that's not what Doc drew up.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: ManUp on December 12, 2012, 10:40:07 PM
Rondo the only Elite PG who doesn't torch Derek Fischer 1-on-1.

:(
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 12, 2012, 10:40:16 PM
why do they insist on drawin up game winners for Rondo he aint bout dat life yet smh
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Scottie on December 12, 2012, 10:40:37 PM
It's Joey Crawford. Not surprised...

how can they watch all of those replays clearly showing the ball go out off Marion and then give it to Dallas? That's criminal.

I must've been watching a different replay.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Change on December 12, 2012, 10:40:54 PM
Rondo can't get separation on his shot yet again. Feet shuffling isn't a move Rondo. Dude needs to work on his iso game.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: CelticSooner on December 12, 2012, 10:41:12 PM
What happened to the great plays Doc used to draw up? Did those go away with Ray as well?
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:41:43 PM
I would have loved to have seen Garnett fighting for deep post position there against Marion. A quick advance and post entry pass. Garnett just turns and shoots right over the top.

Garnett barely needs any time to setup the shot attempt after the catch. Just turn and shoot. Marion is too small to contest the shot adequately.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: vinnie on December 12, 2012, 10:41:53 PM
Missed the whole game except for that last play. ::) am I right that they Blew a 14-point third quarter led? If so, game 21 and same old same old.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:42:13 PM
I think Dallas should go away from this freakishly small lineup.

They have ridden their luck for long enough. It won't last much longer.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:43:33 PM
I really like Rick Carlisle. He does some very interesting things lineup / matchup wise.

Very creative problem solver.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:44:52 PM
Oh crap, another one of those Collison end to end layups.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: hpantazo on December 12, 2012, 10:45:20 PM
Collison is killing us!
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Change on December 12, 2012, 10:45:33 PM
Does Rondo have a crossover in his repertoire?
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: CelticSooner on December 12, 2012, 10:46:13 PM
I seriously thought we would see much more driving to the hoop this season. C's still live or die by the jumper though.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:46:30 PM
I like Jeff Green coming in here. Better defensive matchup for Boston than Bass against that small lineup + is still has the capacity to create mismatches offensively. Good change.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: OsirusCeltics on December 12, 2012, 10:46:36 PM
why do they insist on drawin up game winners for Rondo he aint bout dat life yet smh

Exactly. Perfect example of why people can't say Rondo is better than Chris Paul. Rondo needs to learn how to make clutch jumpshots, much less getting a good attempt
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: angryguy77 on December 12, 2012, 10:48:09 PM
why do they insist on drawin up game winners for Rondo he aint bout dat life yet smh

Exactly. Perfect example of why people can't say Rondo is better than Chris Paul. Rondo needs to learn how to make clutch jumpshots, much less getting a good attempt

Sigh
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: blink on December 12, 2012, 10:48:45 PM
PP FINALLY takes DF to the hoop.  Stop shooting fade aways over him.  Take it to the rim PP.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Scottie on December 12, 2012, 10:49:02 PM
Finally we take it inside. First points in the paint for eons.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:51:07 PM
Looked like an acting job from Rondo there.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Scottie on December 12, 2012, 10:51:59 PM
Karma Derek...
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Change on December 12, 2012, 10:53:04 PM
why do they insist on drawin up game winners for Rondo he aint bout dat life yet smh

Exactly. Perfect example of why people can't say Rondo is better than Chris Paul. Rondo needs to learn how to make clutch jumpshots, much less getting a good attempt

Chris Paul is a wizard with the ball specially one-on-one. He love to do hesitation step back. Rondo def needs to work on his one-on-one game.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:53:12 PM
Haha, Shawn Marion with that ugly floater. Always amazed that shot goes in.

Clutch shot by KG
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: CelticSooner on December 12, 2012, 10:53:23 PM
KG really is something.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: blink on December 12, 2012, 10:53:40 PM
As long as he doesn't get put on the flopper list, I am fine with that..haha

give us more possessions. 
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:56:12 PM
Oh, big play by Mayo ... navigated all that traffic in the paint and finished confidently.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 12, 2012, 10:56:20 PM
Another terrible defensive possession.  Rondo got way too far up on Mayo, gave him a clear lane to the basket.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: angryguy77 on December 12, 2012, 10:56:31 PM
Interior d is disgusting
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: ManUp on December 12, 2012, 10:57:13 PM
(http://www.pbs.org/pov/i/matador/matador_vega.jpg)

Rondo vs Mayo tonight
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: CelticSooner on December 12, 2012, 10:57:39 PM
Please Doc!
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: OsirusCeltics on December 12, 2012, 10:57:45 PM
Wow look at this Celtics swiss cheese interior defense. Stroll down memory lane.....
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Change on December 12, 2012, 10:58:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3HErOOaAfs
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 10:58:35 PM
Terrible place to give Pierce the ball against D.Jones once again.

Pierce needs the ball deeper. In that 12 to 16 foot range.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: angryguy77 on December 12, 2012, 10:58:43 PM
I've seen enough later peeps
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 12, 2012, 10:59:21 PM
Doc seems to draw up good out of timeout plays except when they're in the closing minutes of the 4th. 
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: lightspeed5 on December 12, 2012, 10:59:45 PM
if rondo had the triple double before OT, he could be game for a quad double
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: get_banners on December 12, 2012, 10:59:45 PM
#1, that was definitely a foul (while the Mavs got a few touch fouls in the OT). #2, iso-Pierce again? Seriously? I get it if Fisher is on him. But Jones is a very good defensive player (even though, yeah, Pierce was fouled).
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: hpantazo on December 12, 2012, 11:00:14 PM
Doc seems to draw up good out of timeout plays except when they're in the closing minutes of the 4th.

yea, if only we could trick him into thinking there are 7 minutes left or something
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Change on December 12, 2012, 11:00:40 PM
Terrible place to give Pierce the ball against D.Jones once again.

Pierce needs the ball deeper. In that 12 to 16 foot range.

This and this. Pierce could have taken him off the dribble. Celtics have a thing settling for jumpers.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: JoT on December 12, 2012, 11:01:14 PM
Second OT it is.
Dallas is not giving up at all and I give it to them for sticking to it. My heart can't take this so I'm leaving.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on December 12, 2012, 11:01:34 PM
Why in the hell are we shooting contested jumpers out of iso at the end here? dribble drive and dish or post somebody up down low and draw a foul. unbelievable coaching here.  :(
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: get_banners on December 12, 2012, 11:02:43 PM
yeah...these refs are not making me happy at all.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 11:02:55 PM
Acrobatic finish from Mayo on that layup. Impressive.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Big Rondo on December 12, 2012, 11:03:07 PM
Should have traded Ray for Mayo while we had the chance.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 12, 2012, 11:03:13 PM
Refs have been absolutely atrocious tonight, on both sides.  And Mayo is playing the game of his life.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: lon3lytoaster on December 12, 2012, 11:03:20 PM
Dallas getting the home cooking.

We're in Boston? Huh?
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 11:03:30 PM
Oh, that was a terrible offensive possession.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: tonyto3690 on December 12, 2012, 11:03:35 PM
Mayo has been lighting Rondo up.

Rondo all season has been devoting so much of his energy to keeping the offense together that the defense just hasn't been there consistently.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 12, 2012, 11:04:09 PM
Rondo push the freaking ball!
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: tonyto3690 on December 12, 2012, 11:04:22 PM
We need to run our offense.  No more garbage iso crap anymore.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 12, 2012, 11:04:30 PM
Ball movement is truly awful
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 11:04:39 PM
Way too much dribbling from Rondo
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: ManUp on December 12, 2012, 11:04:49 PM
KG has about 5 inches on Marion yet no low post play.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 11:05:28 PM
Both teams look knackered.

This has been a long finish with the double overtime and the end of the fourth quarter. Most of those guys have been out there during that whole time.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: lon3lytoaster on December 12, 2012, 11:05:31 PM
Come on.. Pretty sure Pierce has been fouled on at least 3 of his last 4 touches.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 12, 2012, 11:05:39 PM
Anyone seen Jeff Green?
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: hpantazo on December 12, 2012, 11:05:44 PM
Pierce doing his best Kobe impression to close out the double OT
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: GronkSpike on December 12, 2012, 11:05:58 PM
Ugh
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Swoopz on December 12, 2012, 11:06:22 PM
That 6th foul is really hanging over Rondo's head.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Big Rondo on December 12, 2012, 11:06:28 PM
Why won't Doc let Terry shoot?  Cause he ain't hitting?
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: vinnie on December 12, 2012, 11:06:50 PM
Celtics offense is stunningly inept. At least Dallas at times is trying to take it o th hoop. Celts aren't even making a pass. One guy dribbles and shoots. Wow
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on December 12, 2012, 11:06:54 PM
why does doc allow this garbage at the end?
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 11:06:58 PM
KG has about 5 inches on Marion yet no low post play.

Marion has always struggled in the post against those tall long PF/C types too. Great matchup for Boston. Got to attack that.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 11:07:44 PM
Why won't Doc let Terry shoot?  Cause he ain't hitting?
Yeah, it feels like Terry has barely been involved offensively down the stretch.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 11:08:05 PM
Messy finish with all the turnovers / miscues from both sides.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: lon3lytoaster on December 12, 2012, 11:08:09 PM
I don't understand this game.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: hpantazo on December 12, 2012, 11:08:13 PM
what an ugly game, both teams deserve to lose
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: vinnie on December 12, 2012, 11:08:28 PM
Nice matchup between two mediocre teams, one without its best player
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Change on December 12, 2012, 11:08:53 PM
thankfully dirk is out. this game wouldn't have gone to OT let alone 2OT with Dirk playing.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 11:09:27 PM
I think Dallas deserve a great amount of credit for what they have done tonight. To come in here short-handed and to hang in there. Fighting against the odds. Making comebacks against Boston's lead / runs.

Never gave up and gave it everything they had.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: vinnie on December 12, 2012, 11:09:44 PM
Game 21. What has changed for this team?
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: GronkSpike on December 12, 2012, 11:09:47 PM
Nice matchup between two mediocre teams, one without its best player
The Celtics without Bradley?  ;D :P
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: tonyto3690 on December 12, 2012, 11:09:53 PM
What I want:

1.  Run Green off a double screen like he was before and let him drive to the rim.  He has the freshest legs and it'll be a good look.

2.  Run Terry of some screens and let him take a shot.


KG, Pierce and Rondos legs are completely shot right now.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: OsirusCeltics on December 12, 2012, 11:10:15 PM
I don't understand this game.

Haha me too. It's too erratic to see which team has the edge for winning this game
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 12, 2012, 11:10:54 PM
Rondo can do this all game, and he'd be great.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 11:11:00 PM
Big layup by Rondo. That should do it.

Play some defense and see it out.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: tgreanier on December 12, 2012, 11:11:24 PM
Ok Cap, win this at the line. I am tired.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: vinnie on December 12, 2012, 11:11:26 PM
Glad they will get the win, but color me unimpressed. This team has so far to go.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 12, 2012, 11:12:09 PM
Game should have been over after 1 OT, PP clearly got fouled on his last shot.  Mavs have nothing to complain about.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Who on December 12, 2012, 11:13:04 PM
Good win. Uneven performance. At times they imposed their will but they took their foot off the gas too many times and made this much harder on themselves.

Clearly the more talented team throughout.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: vinnie on December 12, 2012, 11:13:48 PM
Then again, maybe they won't win
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: hpantazo on December 12, 2012, 11:14:32 PM
It's like the ghosts of past celtic killers tonight with Fisher, VC, and Joey Crawford
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: mr. dee on December 12, 2012, 11:15:30 PM
wow. What a clutch shot by Vince!
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: CelticsFan9 on December 12, 2012, 11:16:27 PM
Please get a stop I have midterms tomorrow.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: vinnie on December 12, 2012, 11:16:35 PM
Nice game for the captain. But how are they struggling to beat a team with 26 turnovers?
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: hpantazo on December 12, 2012, 11:18:45 PM
Pierce is due for a brick here
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: vinnie on December 12, 2012, 11:19:40 PM
I hear complaining about the refs and the celts have taken 11 more free throws
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: tgreanier on December 12, 2012, 11:20:50 PM
I hear complaining about the refs and the celts have taken 11 more free throws

That may be, but there have been 2 awful non-calls.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: hpantazo on December 12, 2012, 11:21:02 PM
fitting way for dallas to end the game
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Big Rondo on December 12, 2012, 11:21:23 PM
28 Turnovers
Good Game

Pick One
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: JoT on December 12, 2012, 11:23:03 PM
OK I couldn't turn away, but thank you Paul and Courtney for making those FT's.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 12, 2012, 11:23:14 PM
Sigh, happy with the win.  Disappointed in the 2nd half.

I'll be happy if we can split the back to back coming up.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: mr. dee on December 12, 2012, 11:24:01 PM
Had lee didn't hit those free throws, we would have another OT.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 12, 2012, 11:24:17 PM
too much of a roller coaster ride of a game for my likin at least we got da win tho Pierce played well tonight he still has sumthin left in da tank
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 12, 2012, 11:25:12 PM
Ugly win, but I'll take it!
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: tonyto3690 on December 12, 2012, 11:28:14 PM
I hear complaining about the refs and the celts have taken 11 more free throws

Thats a pretty stupid way of evaluating how the refs were.

If they intentionally hack us every single possession and we have 5 more free throws than them at the end of the game, does that mean we have no right to complain about them?

There were are a lot of questionable no calls against and a lot of tick tack fouls against us.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 12, 2012, 11:28:40 PM
Nice matchup between two mediocre teams, one without its best player
close games happen in da league Thunder only beat da hornets by 4 at home u neva kno sometimes
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: syfy9 on December 12, 2012, 11:30:25 PM
This team is composed of fighters. The swagger was so apparent in crunch time - the defense stepped up. Love it!
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: fairweatherfan on December 12, 2012, 11:31:19 PM
Wow, what a game.  Not the prettiest but probably the most intense.  Crazy that a 117-115 game feels like a defensive struggle, but for much of the game it was.  Playoff intensity game there.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: bfrombleacher on December 12, 2012, 11:32:10 PM
I missed it but how did we p--- a 14 point lead away?

When I left it was a 10 point lead in the 2nd quarter (or 3rd, can't remember).

Still, good win. Let's go Cs.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Adelaide Celt on December 12, 2012, 11:37:20 PM
I hear complaining about the refs and the celts have taken 11 more free throws

That may be, but there have been 2 awful non-calls.

Thought we were very lucky with that loose ball foul that fouled out Fisher. We deserved some luck though!
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Celtics18 on December 12, 2012, 11:45:39 PM
That was fun.  Thrilled to get the hard fought win.  They can't all be masterpieces. 
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: BballTim on December 12, 2012, 11:53:32 PM
Wow, what a game.  Not the prettiest but probably the most intense.  Crazy that a 117-115 game feels like a defensive struggle, but for much of the game it was.  Playoff intensity game there.

  I think our defense was actually better than average tonight.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: BballTim on December 12, 2012, 11:55:47 PM

  By the way, was something wrong with Wilcox? I thought he played pretty well but didn't play much in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: syfy9 on December 13, 2012, 12:16:16 AM
Wow, what a game.  Not the prettiest but probably the most intense.  Crazy that a 117-115 game feels like a defensive struggle, but for much of the game it was.  Playoff intensity game there.

  I think our defense was actually better than average tonight.

Well, elite defense is also better than average defense too, so...
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on December 13, 2012, 12:21:59 AM
When was the last time we hit a game winner? Every time we have a chance to win the game i know we will either lose or go to overtime. It happens every time. That game drove me nuts.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 13, 2012, 12:41:24 AM
When was the last time we hit a game winner? Every time we have a chance to win the game i know we will either lose or go to overtime. It happens every time. That game drove me nuts.

I guess with Ray Allen?
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on December 13, 2012, 12:44:54 AM
When was the last time we hit a game winner? Every time we have a chance to win the game i know we will either lose or go to overtime. It happens every time. That game drove me nuts.

I guess with Ray Allen?

I'm sorry i asked.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: jdz101 on December 13, 2012, 01:51:01 AM
I cant complain about this win.

Great stuff to shoot almost 10% less than the opponent and still get the W.

Hard work prevailed tonight.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: apc on December 13, 2012, 01:52:51 AM

  By the way, was something wrong with Wilcox? I thought he played pretty well but didn't play much in the 2nd half.

Nothing wrong with Wilcox, something wrong with Doc.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: alley oop on December 13, 2012, 05:58:13 AM
The Celtics could have used Barbosa's energy and offense tonight, while giving Rondo some needed rest. He must still be getting over his bug.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 13, 2012, 07:57:29 AM
I cant complain about this win.

Great stuff to shoot almost 10% less than the opponent and still get the W.

Hard work prevailed tonight.

We should have destroyed them , they had I think 28 turnovers !!! possible 56 point swing.

Same ol story , when KG goes out, first thing the other team does is drive to the bucket. Teams score at will inside the paint against us without KG in the game.

I saw several points in the game I would have inserted Barbosa for his energy to get easier buckets. 

Pierce played like Kobe and keep the Celtics in the game.
Green did good for guy coming off surgery.

Game was way harder than it should have been .

With  14point lead , leave KG in thegame and finish the job . SO instead he winds up playing huge minutes anyway.

Win , but a poor coached game by Doc


Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Bankshot on December 13, 2012, 08:02:39 AM
I think it's pretty pathetic to take two overtimes to beat a team that committed nearly 30 turnovers.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Bankshot on December 13, 2012, 08:03:31 AM
I cant complain about this win.

Great stuff to shoot almost 10% less than the opponent and still get the W.

Hard work prevailed tonight.

Boy is that an ugly picture in your avatar!
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Fafnir on December 13, 2012, 08:58:37 AM

  By the way, was something wrong with Wilcox? I thought he played pretty well but didn't play much in the 2nd half.
Wilcox only plays when KG isn't on the floor lately, Doc used KG for almost the entire fourth quarter. Went with Green/Bass for the little break KG got, probably didn't like Wilcox's D on Wright over Greens I guess?
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Fafnir on December 13, 2012, 09:05:15 AM
I think it's pretty pathetic to take two overtimes to beat a team that committed nearly 30 turnovers.
I didn't like how the C's froze up their offense when they went:

A) Zone
B) having Fisher guard Pierce

I completely get taking advantage of mis-matches but you can't let it stagnate all ball movement and other options.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: cltc5 on December 13, 2012, 10:26:18 AM
I'm done defending him.  The problem is doc rivers.  He can't coach and he can't inspire anymore.  He has talent and has no idea what to do with it.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: nickagneta on December 13, 2012, 10:33:16 AM
I think it's pretty pathetic to take two overtimes to beat a team that committed nearly 30 turnovers.
I didn't like how the C's froze up their offense when they went:

A) Zone
B) having Fisher guard Pierce

I completely get taking advantage of mis-matches but you can't let it stagnate all ball movement and other options.
Not to mention that with Fisher clutching, holding, grabbing and pushing that wasn't getting called that Pierce was having very little success against Fisher.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Fafnir on December 13, 2012, 11:09:31 AM
I think it's pretty pathetic to take two overtimes to beat a team that committed nearly 30 turnovers.
I didn't like how the C's froze up their offense when they went:

A) Zone
B) having Fisher guard Pierce

I completely get taking advantage of mis-matches but you can't let it stagnate all ball movement and other options.
Not to mention that with Fisher clutching, holding, grabbing and pushing that wasn't getting called that Pierce was having very little success against Fisher.
I hate how once a player gets 5 fouls they're allowed to go nuts before fouling out.

The no call on the first OT last jumper drove me insane, ref was right there and missed the contact during the shot.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: apc on December 13, 2012, 11:57:42 AM
I think it's pretty pathetic to take two overtimes to beat a team that committed nearly 30 turnovers.
I didn't like how the C's froze up their offense when they went:

A) Zone
B) having Fisher guard Pierce

I completely get taking advantage of mis-matches but you can't let it stagnate all ball movement and other options.
Agree, its like only Rondo and PP were on the court, RR takes the ball up, switch defenders and give the ball to PP. How many times can you run this play? you got 3 other guys on court. (they did the same in previous games)
KG had Marion guarding him, and that mismatch was ignored.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Fafnir on December 13, 2012, 12:19:46 PM
I think it's pretty pathetic to take two overtimes to beat a team that committed nearly 30 turnovers.
I didn't like how the C's froze up their offense when they went:

A) Zone
B) having Fisher guard Pierce

I completely get taking advantage of mis-matches but you can't let it stagnate all ball movement and other options.
Agree, its like only Rondo and PP were on the court, RR takes the ball up, switch defenders and give the ball to PP. How many times can you run this play? you got 3 other guys on court. (they did the same in previous games)
KG had Marion guarding him, and that mismatch was ignored.
The posted up KG twice I think late, but KG didn't get his shot to go and it was short.

I think KG was pretty tired at that point so they didn't work that matchup like they would have earlier in the game.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Kane3387 on December 13, 2012, 12:26:11 PM
A win is a win, but that was a bad one.

Marion at Center. Derek Fisher, Oj Mayo, Deron Collison, and Vince Carter in a 4 guard lineup. Then Dahntay Jones.

And we couldn't stop anyone. Marion is solid and I like OJ, but the rest of those guys aren't that good honestly.

We should have blown that lineup away. Instead we give up a 14 point lead and survive a double OT.

Hated what I saw last night, but thankfully we won.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Fafnir on December 13, 2012, 12:40:44 PM
A win is a win, but that was a bad one.

Marion at Center. Derek Fisher, Oj Mayo, Deron Collison, and Vince Carter in a 4 guard lineup. Then Dahntay Jones.

And we couldn't stop anyone. Marion is solid and I like OJ, but the rest of those guys aren't that good honestly.

We should have blown that lineup away. Instead we give up a 14 point lead and survive a double OT.

Hated what I saw last night, but thankfully we won.
I hate the "14 point lead", we had that lead for one whole possesion. They closed the gap in a 2 minute sequence to get it down to around 5 or 6 where it was for most of the second half.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Kane3387 on December 13, 2012, 01:11:16 PM
A win is a win, but that was a bad one.

Marion at Center. Derek Fisher, Oj Mayo, Deron Collison, and Vince Carter in a 4 guard lineup. Then Dahntay Jones.

And we couldn't stop anyone. Marion is solid and I like OJ, but the rest of those guys aren't that good honestly.

We should have blown that lineup away. Instead we give up a 14 point lead and survive a double OT.

Hated what I saw last night, but thankfully we won.
I hate the "14 point lead", we had that lead for one whole possesion. They closed the gap in a 2 minute sequence to get it down to around 5 or 6 where it was for most of the second half.

You still had it... Against a team we should have had it on. They were without Dirk and were playing Marion at Center with scrubs in Fisher and Jones.They had 30 TOs. If we don't play matador defense we could have won that game by 20+.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: nickagneta on December 13, 2012, 01:17:23 PM
Transition defense was awful in the second half, as it was all year. Rondo playing Mayo left JET playing Collison and Collison killed this team in transition.

Green's pick and roll defense as well as the weak side rotations were just as bad. The problem with this team is defense, mostly when KG is off the court. I think Bradley's return will help but Wilcox, Sullinger, JET, Rondo, and Green have to start playing better, smarter, more dedicated defense.

Though I will say Rondo's defense on Mayo last night was very good.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: BballTim on December 13, 2012, 01:25:58 PM
A win is a win, but that was a bad one.

Marion at Center. Derek Fisher, Oj Mayo, Deron Collison, and Vince Carter in a 4 guard lineup. Then Dahntay Jones.

And we couldn't stop anyone. Marion is solid and I like OJ, but the rest of those guys aren't that good honestly.

We should have blown that lineup away. Instead we give up a 14 point lead and survive a double OT.

Hated what I saw last night, but thankfully we won.
I hate the "14 point lead", we had that lead for one whole possesion. They closed the gap in a 2 minute sequence to get it down to around 5 or 6 where it was for most of the second half.

You still had it... Against a team we should have had it on. They were without Dirk and were playing Marion at Center with scrubs in Fisher and Jones.They had 30 TOs. If we don't play matador defense we could have won that game by 20+.

  Dirk hasn't played all year and the Mavs came into last night's game with a winning record. Clearly they aren't as bad as you think they should be.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: European NBA fan on December 13, 2012, 01:30:45 PM
People seem to forget that the reason, the Mavs had so many turnovers was that we were playing trap defense with KG the whole night. It worked pretty well, but also left some open shots for the Mavs, which they hit. Also they hit some not so open shots.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Kane3387 on December 13, 2012, 02:34:16 PM
People seem to forget that the reason, the Mavs had so many turnovers was that we were playing trap defense with KG the whole night. It worked pretty well, but also left some open shots for the Mavs, which they hit. Also they hit some not so open shots.

Near the end of the game all I saw was a layup line. But I will say the team looked exhausted. Hopefully guys are still getting into shape like last year.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: BballTim on December 13, 2012, 03:21:41 PM
People seem to forget that the reason, the Mavs had so many turnovers was that we were playing trap defense with KG the whole night. It worked pretty well, but also left some open shots for the Mavs, which they hit. Also they hit some not so open shots.

Near the end of the game all I saw was a layup line. But I will say the team looked exhausted. Hopefully guys are still getting into shape like last year.

  Mayo had an easier time getting past Rondo after Rajon got his 5th foul, that didn't help our defense.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: Kane3387 on December 13, 2012, 03:27:39 PM
People seem to forget that the reason, the Mavs had so many turnovers was that we were playing trap defense with KG the whole night. It worked pretty well, but also left some open shots for the Mavs, which they hit. Also they hit some not so open shots.

Near the end of the game all I saw was a layup line. But I will say the team looked exhausted. Hopefully guys are still getting into shape like last year.

  Mayo had an easier time getting past Rondo after Rajon got his 5th foul, that didn't help our defense.

The help defense was still poor. The rotations were bad. I think it had to do with us being tired though.
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: j804 on December 13, 2012, 04:34:46 PM
People seem to forget that the reason, the Mavs had so many turnovers was that we were playing trap defense with KG the whole night. It worked pretty well, but also left some open shots for the Mavs, which they hit. Also they hit some not so open shots.

Near the end of the game all I saw was a layup line. But I will say the team looked exhausted. Hopefully guys are still getting into shape like last year.

  Mayo had an easier time getting past Rondo after Rajon got his 5th foul, that didn't help our defense.
Rondo's defense was a little suspect he kept trying to body him too much way past the 3pt line and Mayo kept blowing by him at ease
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: BballTim on December 13, 2012, 05:19:36 PM
People seem to forget that the reason, the Mavs had so many turnovers was that we were playing trap defense with KG the whole night. It worked pretty well, but also left some open shots for the Mavs, which they hit. Also they hit some not so open shots.

Near the end of the game all I saw was a layup line. But I will say the team looked exhausted. Hopefully guys are still getting into shape like last year.

  Mayo had an easier time getting past Rondo after Rajon got his 5th foul, that didn't help our defense.
Rondo's defense was a little suspect he kept trying to body him too much way past the 3pt line and Mayo kept blowing by him at ease

  When you say "kept blowing by him at ease" you're talking about a few plays in a double overtime game. How many times do you think that happened during the game?

Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: j804 on December 13, 2012, 06:31:14 PM
People seem to forget that the reason, the Mavs had so many turnovers was that we were playing trap defense with KG the whole night. It worked pretty well, but also left some open shots for the Mavs, which they hit. Also they hit some not so open shots.

Near the end of the game all I saw was a layup line. But I will say the team looked exhausted. Hopefully guys are still getting into shape like last year.

  Mayo had an easier time getting past Rondo after Rajon got his 5th foul, that didn't help our defense.
Rondo's defense was a little suspect he kept trying to body him too much way past the 3pt line and Mayo kept blowing by him at ease

  When you say "kept blowing by him at ease" you're talking about a few plays in a double overtime game. How many times do you think that happened during the game?
yea im talking just toward the end, he did keep him in check for most of the game. i just wish toward the end he didn't body him way out past the three blew by him more than a couple times but Rondo still had a key stop late
Title: Re: Mavericks (11-10) at Celtics (11-9) 12/12
Post by: cman88 on December 13, 2012, 07:40:42 PM
last night was one of those games where you see the value of Avery Bradley...having him hound Mayo all night would make it a totally different game IMO

he probably wouldnt have driven by as easily as he did Rondo late in the 4th quarter