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Re: Steven Adams?
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2019, 06:02:56 PM »

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Steven Adams would be great for this team. Exactly the type of defensive rebounder and rebounder this team's offensive players (Tatum, Hayward, Jaylen) need next to them.

Agreed. I'd strongly prefer him to Vuvecic. I hope we can swing this somehow, he'd be a perfect fit.
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Re: Steven Adams?
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2019, 06:07:15 PM »

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Unless a third team somehow got involved, I don’t see how we get it done financially. Unless we just intend to use all the cap space on him.

Re: Steven Adams?
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2019, 06:08:34 PM »

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Unless a third team somehow got involved, I don’t see how we get it done financially.

We could theoretically absorb him into the cap space we'd open up by renouncing our FAs.
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Re: Steven Adams?
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2019, 06:09:15 PM »

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Unless a third team somehow got involved, I don’t see how we get it done financially.

We could theoretically absorb him into the cap space we'd open up by renouncing our FAs.

I can’t help but think that’s a waste of cap space.

Re: Steven Adams?
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2019, 06:15:27 PM »

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Unless a third team somehow got involved, I don’t see how we get it done financially.

We could theoretically absorb him into the cap space we'd open up by renouncing our FAs.

I can’t help but think that’s a waste of cap space.

I think it's by far a better prospect than signing DLo or Vucevic. Plus, his contract will expire the same time has Gordon's. Might as well use that cap to bring in an impact guy before Jaylen gets a big new deal next offseason.
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Re: Steven Adams?
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2019, 06:16:37 PM »

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Adams would make it a lot easier to play Hayward at PF. Give Boston that dominant rebounder and defensive paint presence to help compensate for the lack of contribution they'd be getting from PF in those areas.

Furthermore, starting Hayward at PF would make it much easier to start Smart (PG), Jaylen (SG) and Tatum (SF) on the perimeter because Hayward would give the offense that secondary ball-handler and playmaker that it so badly needs.

Re: Steven Adams?
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2019, 06:19:00 PM »

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I like Adams  but the guy simply has no post moves.
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Re: Steven Adams?
« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2019, 06:21:21 PM »

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Unless a third team somehow got involved, I don’t see how we get it done financially.

We could theoretically absorb him into the cap space we'd open up by renouncing our FAs.

I can’t help but think that’s a waste of cap space.

It’s not my first choice of cap space, but depending on the return received in future draft compensation, there are definitely many worse ways to use it.  We’re not going to have enough space next season for a significant free agent with or without Adams on the roster, so might as well spend it now.  If you can get a starter at a position of need for two seasons and a future 1st to go with it, you really could do a lot worse.

Re: Steven Adams?
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2019, 06:23:21 PM »

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I like Adams  but the guy simply has no post moves.

But he's a pretty good pick & roll guy.

If post moves are the only qualifiers, we should just bring back Greg Monroe.
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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2019, 06:27:51 PM »

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Unless a third team somehow got involved, I don’t see how we get it done financially.

We could theoretically absorb him into the cap space we'd open up by renouncing our FAs.

I can’t help but think that’s a waste of cap space.

It’s not my first choice of cap space, but depending on the return received in future draft compensation, there are definitely many worse ways to use it.  We’re not going to have enough space next season for a significant free agent with or without Adams on the roster, so might as well spend it now.  If you can get a starter at a position of need for two seasons and a future 1st to go with it, you really could do a lot worse.

I forgot about the prospect of getting compensation for taking on Adams. I certainly prefer trading for Adams to signing a guy like Vucevic, but I’d be highly concerned with the PG spot if we don’t address it.

Re: Steven Adams?
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2019, 06:32:33 PM »

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Unless a third team somehow got involved, I don’t see how we get it done financially.

We could theoretically absorb him into the cap space we'd open up by renouncing our FAs.

I can’t help but think that’s a waste of cap space.

It’s not my first choice of cap space, but depending on the return received in future draft compensation, there are definitely many worse ways to use it.  We’re not going to have enough space next season for a significant free agent with or without Adams on the roster, so might as well spend it now.  If you can get a starter at a position of need for two seasons and a future 1st to go with it, you really could do a lot worse.

I forgot about the prospect of getting compensation for taking on Adams. I certainly prefer trading for Adams to signing a guy like Vucevic, but I’d be highly concerned with the PG spot if we don’t address it.

Why would OKC send draft compensation if they were to move Adams? He's a legit starting center in this league.

Re: Steven Adams?
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2019, 06:35:44 PM »

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Unless a third team somehow got involved, I don’t see how we get it done financially.

We could theoretically absorb him into the cap space we'd open up by renouncing our FAs.

I can’t help but think that’s a waste of cap space.

It’s not my first choice of cap space, but depending on the return received in future draft compensation, there are definitely many worse ways to use it.  We’re not going to have enough space next season for a significant free agent with or without Adams on the roster, so might as well spend it now.  If you can get a starter at a position of need for two seasons and a future 1st to go with it, you really could do a lot worse.

I forgot about the prospect of getting compensation for taking on Adams. I certainly prefer trading for Adams to signing a guy like Vucevic, but I’d be highly concerned with the PG spot if we don’t address it.

Why would OKC send draft compensation if they were to move Adams? He's a legit starting center in this league.

Money reasons. They’re looking for a team to take on the money so they can save against the luxury tax. Asking another team to add $20 million or so costs assets.

Re: Steven Adams?
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2019, 06:36:01 PM »

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Unless a third team somehow got involved, I don’t see how we get it done financially.

We could theoretically absorb him into the cap space we'd open up by renouncing our FAs.

I can’t help but think that’s a waste of cap space.

It’s not my first choice of cap space, but depending on the return received in future draft compensation, there are definitely many worse ways to use it.  We’re not going to have enough space next season for a significant free agent with or without Adams on the roster, so might as well spend it now.  If you can get a starter at a position of need for two seasons and a future 1st to go with it, you really could do a lot worse.

I forgot about the prospect of getting compensation for taking on Adams. I certainly prefer trading for Adams to signing a guy like Vucevic, but I’d be highly concerned with the PG spot if we don’t address it.

Why would OKC send draft compensation if they were to move Adams? He's a legit starting center in this league.

Yeah, I see us giving up picks to get Adams. Probably 2 of our 3 firsts. Our 2 later firsts. Keeping the #14.

Re: Steven Adams?
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2019, 06:37:26 PM »

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Unless a third team somehow got involved, I don’t see how we get it done financially.

We could theoretically absorb him into the cap space we'd open up by renouncing our FAs.

I can’t help but think that’s a waste of cap space.

It’s not my first choice of cap space, but depending on the return received in future draft compensation, there are definitely many worse ways to use it.  We’re not going to have enough space next season for a significant free agent with or without Adams on the roster, so might as well spend it now.  If you can get a starter at a position of need for two seasons and a future 1st to go with it, you really could do a lot worse.

I forgot about the prospect of getting compensation for taking on Adams. I certainly prefer trading for Adams to signing a guy like Vucevic, but I’d be highly concerned with the PG spot if we don’t address it.

Just start Marcus and get a solid backup PG.
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Re: Steven Adams?
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2019, 06:39:43 PM »

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Unless a third team somehow got involved, I don’t see how we get it done financially.

We could theoretically absorb him into the cap space we'd open up by renouncing our FAs.

I can’t help but think that’s a waste of cap space.

It’s not my first choice of cap space, but depending on the return received in future draft compensation, there are definitely many worse ways to use it.  We’re not going to have enough space next season for a significant free agent with or without Adams on the roster, so might as well spend it now.  If you can get a starter at a position of need for two seasons and a future 1st to go with it, you really could do a lot worse.

I forgot about the prospect of getting compensation for taking on Adams. I certainly prefer trading for Adams to signing a guy like Vucevic, but I’d be highly concerned with the PG spot if we don’t address it.

Why would OKC send draft compensation if they were to move Adams? He's a legit starting center in this league.

Because Adams is owed $53 million over the next two seasons and trading Adams would reduce their luxury tax bill from over $50 million this year and some other lesser, but still 8-figure amount next year to zero.  So trading Adams saves them $100 million over two seasons, easily.  Starting centers are not worth $50 millions year, especially as the league moves more and more to a perimeter game.

He’s useful, but he’s overpriced even for his own salary, which means he will be difficult to trade.  Add in the significant luxury tax savings (OKC paid $60 million to the tax last season) and they have quite the incentive to get rid of him, and should be expect to move at least a first-round pick with him.