How's our driving? (CelticsBlog)

[Redz]

I think some of the recent explanations have helped like "I closed it cause I wanted to". 

Also I am beginning to think that it is somewhat inevitable that a lot of "young" posters (new to CB, not necessarily agewise) will at some point get offended for some percieved slight like they think they've been called out or shot down, or they got a thread locked or whatnot, and then they argue that there's some sort of double standard and that they're being censored, and then they start seeing what they want to see, and test the envelope and need to let go and take the good with the bad.

One thing I'm trying to figure out is that there have been some heated as heck discussions in the current events area but nothing is getting locked and there's not even lots of warnings.  But some other complainingish threads and some sort of draft that I almost know nothing about did, and I'm amazed at the restraint in current events because it's allowing for some very in depth discussions, but some other places are sort of sensitive areas, and I wonder what the difference is. Sometimes I think a person could get a little more in trouble just cause wrong time/wrong place. Like if they say "He's a clown" in a causual discussion about Obama he'll get in trouble, but if they say the same thing in a heated discussion about Iverson they won't even though you can't call anyone a clown except Redz.  Whatever, that's splitting hairs

I admit sometimes there are some threads I'm nervous about starting cause of the potential for locking and I don't want the stigma with that. Like maybe "How do you feel about the cheerleaders". It could lead to comments about their attractiveness which is against the rules. Once Roy opened an Israel thread which I'd never have the guts to do. Not saying I would otherwise. 

clowns have feelings too you know 

not trying to single u out here redz, but this thread is designed to talk about the opinions and observations that posters may have with the staff.  eja made a post in which he sees as a weakness in the blog.  bc of the type of thread jeff has created here, shouldnt his post be addressed, rather than making light of small part of it (and i did get a kick out of the response, clowns do have feelings  ).  even if you think his post is way off and is not an issue.....i think the best response would be, "thanks for the input, we will watch/discuss it further". it will make him feel supported and as if he opinion did matter to the staff.

just my two cents.  although im using your post as an example, im not trying to single u out.

Good lord dark lord

I don't even know how to respond to that.

Thanks for the input.

[Edgar]

we will watch/discuss further.

[beantownboy171]

Does anyone who voted F care to share why? The only way the staff can fix it is if they know what's wrong.

Im willing to venture a guess that whoever voted F was a younger poster who was goofing around, thinkin it'd be funny to put F.

Otherwise they would have bothered to write something.

[dark_lord]

I think some of the recent explanations have helped like "I closed it cause I wanted to". 

Also I am beginning to think that it is somewhat inevitable that a lot of "young" posters (new to CB, not necessarily agewise) will at some point get offended for some percieved slight like they think they've been called out or shot down, or they got a thread locked or whatnot, and then they argue that there's some sort of double standard and that they're being censored, and then they start seeing what they want to see, and test the envelope and need to let go and take the good with the bad.

One thing I'm trying to figure out is that there have been some heated as heck discussions in the current events area but nothing is getting locked and there's not even lots of warnings.  But some other complainingish threads and some sort of draft that I almost know nothing about did, and I'm amazed at the restraint in current events because it's allowing for some very in depth discussions, but some other places are sort of sensitive areas, and I wonder what the difference is. Sometimes I think a person could get a little more in trouble just cause wrong time/wrong place. Like if they say "He's a clown" in a causual discussion about Obama he'll get in trouble, but if they say the same thing in a heated discussion about Iverson they won't even though you can't call anyone a clown except Redz.  Whatever, that's splitting hairs

I admit sometimes there are some threads I'm nervous about starting cause of the potential for locking and I don't want the stigma with that. Like maybe "How do you feel about the cheerleaders". It could lead to comments about their attractiveness which is against the rules. Once Roy opened an Israel thread which I'd never have the guts to do. Not saying I would otherwise. 

clowns have feelings too you know 

not trying to single u out here redz, but this thread is designed to talk about the opinions and observations that posters may have with the staff.  eja made a post in which he sees as a weakness in the blog.  bc of the type of thread jeff has created here, shouldnt his post be addressed, rather than making light of small part of it (and i did get a kick out of the response, clowns do have feelings  ).  even if you think his post is way off and is not an issue.....i think the best response would be, "thanks for the input, we will watch/discuss it further". it will make him feel supported and as if he opinion did matter to the staff.

just my two cents.  although im using your post as an example, im not trying to single u out.

Good lord dark lord

I don't even know how to respond to that.

Thanks for the input.

 u can feel free to pm me if you'd like.

[Redz]

I think some of the recent explanations have helped like "I closed it cause I wanted to". 

Also I am beginning to think that it is somewhat inevitable that a lot of "young" posters (new to CB, not necessarily agewise) will at some point get offended for some percieved slight like they think they've been called out or shot down, or they got a thread locked or whatnot, and then they argue that there's some sort of double standard and that they're being censored, and then they start seeing what they want to see, and test the envelope and need to let go and take the good with the bad.

One thing I'm trying to figure out is that there have been some heated as heck discussions in the current events area but nothing is getting locked and there's not even lots of warnings.  But some other complainingish threads and some sort of draft that I almost know nothing about did, and I'm amazed at the restraint in current events because it's allowing for some very in depth discussions, but some other places are sort of sensitive areas, and I wonder what the difference is. Sometimes I think a person could get a little more in trouble just cause wrong time/wrong place. Like if they say "He's a clown" in a causual discussion about Obama he'll get in trouble, but if they say the same thing in a heated discussion about Iverson they won't even though you can't call anyone a clown except Redz.  Whatever, that's splitting hairs

I admit sometimes there are some threads I'm nervous about starting cause of the potential for locking and I don't want the stigma with that. Like maybe "How do you feel about the cheerleaders". It could lead to comments about their attractiveness which is against the rules. Once Roy opened an Israel thread which I'd never have the guts to do. Not saying I would otherwise. 

clowns have feelings too you know 

not trying to single u out here redz, but this thread is designed to talk about the opinions and observations that posters may have with the staff.  eja made a post in which he sees as a weakness in the blog.  bc of the type of thread jeff has created here, shouldnt his post be addressed, rather than making light of small part of it (and i did get a kick out of the response, clowns do have feelings  ).  even if you think his post is way off and is not an issue.....i think the best response would be, "thanks for the input, we will watch/discuss it further". it will make him feel supported and as if he opinion did matter to the staff.

just my two cents.  although im using your post as an example, im not trying to single u out.

Good lord dark lord

I don't even know how to respond to that.

Thanks for the input.

 u can feel free to pm me if you'd like.

I don't have much to say to it DL.  I certainly use humor on here more than most, but it's never at anyone's expense (except Edgar's).

I guess it's my way of saying "Lighten up."

I'm pretty much through with hearing all of this stuff.

I guess I don't need to read it, but as a Mod I sort of do.

I don't take this place nearly as seriously as a lot of people I suppose.  I understand that we all have feelings and what not, but I also feel like it's not necessary and hash and rehash every thing that puts a hair across our fanny.

I'm working my last day as a store owner today.  I'm enjoying it quite a bit and looking forward to the major changes in my life.  Nothing that happens on this site is going to bother me that much.

I love this place and the people within, but I can't handle the dissection much more.  If I need to walk on eggshells for fear of offending someone, than it it's just not fun enough to deal with any more.

I know that for some there is a perceived "aura" that seems to hang over the Mods heads like we're something special or different...Well, guess what - we're not...Or at least I know for sure I'm not,l and I'm pretty certain the rest of us (besides Edgar) have the same amount of hands fingers toes and thumbs etc... I sort of resent the insinuation at this point.

So basically, the driving sucks right now.  As a supposed "driver" I'm not enjoying it.  So from my perspective I guess things suck right now and my bottomless pit of patience is nearing the end.

Maybe I need a break too.

I guess I lied when I said I didn't have much to say.

Life's too short people...

Carpe diem

ps - I know, I know, I know none of that was very mod like, but you know what - screw it.

I'm sick of it, and I'm speaking my mind as a human - not a mod (we're inhuman).

[dark_lord]

I think some of the recent explanations have helped like "I closed it cause I wanted to". 

Also I am beginning to think that it is somewhat inevitable that a lot of "young" posters (new to CB, not necessarily agewise) will at some point get offended for some percieved slight like they think they've been called out or shot down, or they got a thread locked or whatnot, and then they argue that there's some sort of double standard and that they're being censored, and then they start seeing what they want to see, and test the envelope and need to let go and take the good with the bad.

One thing I'm trying to figure out is that there have been some heated as heck discussions in the current events area but nothing is getting locked and there's not even lots of warnings.  But some other complainingish threads and some sort of draft that I almost know nothing about did, and I'm amazed at the restraint in current events because it's allowing for some very in depth discussions, but some other places are sort of sensitive areas, and I wonder what the difference is. Sometimes I think a person could get a little more in trouble just cause wrong time/wrong place. Like if they say "He's a clown" in a causual discussion about Obama he'll get in trouble, but if they say the same thing in a heated discussion about Iverson they won't even though you can't call anyone a clown except Redz.  Whatever, that's splitting hairs

I admit sometimes there are some threads I'm nervous about starting cause of the potential for locking and I don't want the stigma with that. Like maybe "How do you feel about the cheerleaders". It could lead to comments about their attractiveness which is against the rules. Once Roy opened an Israel thread which I'd never have the guts to do. Not saying I would otherwise. 

clowns have feelings too you know 

not trying to single u out here redz, but this thread is designed to talk about the opinions and observations that posters may have with the staff.  eja made a post in which he sees as a weakness in the blog.  bc of the type of thread jeff has created here, shouldnt his post be addressed, rather than making light of small part of it (and i did get a kick out of the response, clowns do have feelings  ).  even if you think his post is way off and is not an issue.....i think the best response would be, "thanks for the input, we will watch/discuss it further". it will make him feel supported and as if he opinion did matter to the staff.

just my two cents.  although im using your post as an example, im not trying to single u out.

Good lord dark lord

I don't even know how to respond to that.

Thanks for the input.

 u can feel free to pm me if you'd like.

I don't have much to say to it DL.  I certainly use humor on here more than most, but it's never at anyone's expense (except Edgar's).

I guess it's my way of saying "Lighten up."

I'm pretty much through with hearing all of this stuff.

I guess I don't need to read it, but as a Mod I sort of do.

I don't take this place nearly as seriously as a lot of people I suppose.  I understand that we all have feelings and what not, but I also feel like it's not necessary and hash and rehash every thing that puts a hair across our fanny.

I'm working my last day as a store owner today.  I'm enjoying it quite a bit and looking forward to the major changes in my life.  Nothing that happens on this site is going to bother me that much.

I love this place and the people within, but I can't handle the dissection much more.  If I need to walk on eggshells for fear of offending someone, than it it's just not fun enough to deal with any more.

I know that for some there is a perceived "aura" that seems to hang over the Mods heads like we're something special or different...Well, guess what - we're not...Or at least I know for sure I'm not,l and I'm pretty certain the rest of us (besides Edgar) have the same amount of hands fingers toes and thumbs etc... I sort of resent the insinuation at this point.

So basically, the driving sucks right now.  As a supposed "driver" I'm not enjoying it.  So from my perspective I guess things suck right now and my bottomless pit of patience is nearing the end.

Maybe I need a break too.

I guess I lied when I said I didn't have much to say.

Life's too short people...

Carpe diem

ps - I know, I know, I know none of that was very mod like, but you know what - screw it.

I'm sick of it, and I'm speaking my mind as a human - not a mod (we're inhuman).

your not the only one.

then why have this thread asking for input?

[BudweiserCeltic]

I guess my observation that forum communities should behave something akin to a dictatorship is looking pretty good right now.

Seriously, this double guessing and questioning of the mods needs to stop... it's really not our place as forum members. At this point it seems like people are taking shots at mods for the tiniest of things and taking every opportunity to do so.

[cdif911]

I think some of the recent explanations have helped like "I closed it cause I wanted to". 

Also I am beginning to think that it is somewhat inevitable that a lot of "young" posters (new to CB, not necessarily agewise) will at some point get offended for some percieved slight like they think they've been called out or shot down, or they got a thread locked or whatnot, and then they argue that there's some sort of double standard and that they're being censored, and then they start seeing what they want to see, and test the envelope and need to let go and take the good with the bad.

One thing I'm trying to figure out is that there have been some heated as heck discussions in the current events area but nothing is getting locked and there's not even lots of warnings.  But some other complainingish threads and some sort of draft that I almost know nothing about did, and I'm amazed at the restraint in current events because it's allowing for some very in depth discussions, but some other places are sort of sensitive areas, and I wonder what the difference is. Sometimes I think a person could get a little more in trouble just cause wrong time/wrong place. Like if they say "He's a clown" in a causual discussion about Obama he'll get in trouble, but if they say the same thing in a heated discussion about Iverson they won't even though you can't call anyone a clown except Redz.  Whatever, that's splitting hairs

I admit sometimes there are some threads I'm nervous about starting cause of the potential for locking and I don't want the stigma with that. Like maybe "How do you feel about the cheerleaders". It could lead to comments about their attractiveness which is against the rules. Once Roy opened an Israel thread which I'd never have the guts to do. Not saying I would otherwise. 

clowns have feelings too you know 

not trying to single u out here redz, but this thread is designed to talk about the opinions and observations that posters may have with the staff.  eja made a post in which he sees as a weakness in the blog.  bc of the type of thread jeff has created here, shouldnt his post be addressed, rather than making light of small part of it (and i did get a kick out of the response, clowns do have feelings  ).  even if you think his post is way off and is not an issue.....i think the best response would be, "thanks for the input, we will watch/discuss it further". it will make him feel supported and as if he opinion did matter to the staff.

just my two cents.  although im using your post as an example, im not trying to single u out.

Good lord dark lord

I don't even know how to respond to that.

Thanks for the input.

 u can feel free to pm me if you'd like.

I don't have much to say to it DL.  I certainly use humor on here more than most, but it's never at anyone's expense (except Edgar's).

I guess it's my way of saying "Lighten up."

I'm pretty much through with hearing all of this stuff.

I guess I don't need to read it, but as a Mod I sort of do.

I don't take this place nearly as seriously as a lot of people I suppose.  I understand that we all have feelings and what not, but I also feel like it's not necessary and hash and rehash every thing that puts a hair across our fanny.

I'm working my last day as a store owner today.  I'm enjoying it quite a bit and looking forward to the major changes in my life.  Nothing that happens on this site is going to bother me that much.

I love this place and the people within, but I can't handle the dissection much more.  If I need to walk on eggshells for fear of offending someone, than it it's just not fun enough to deal with any more.

I know that for some there is a perceived "aura" that seems to hang over the Mods heads like we're something special or different...Well, guess what - we're not...Or at least I know for sure I'm not,l and I'm pretty certain the rest of us (besides Edgar) have the same amount of hands fingers toes and thumbs etc... I sort of resent the insinuation at this point.

So basically, the driving sucks right now.  As a supposed "driver" I'm not enjoying it.  So from my perspective I guess things suck right now and my bottomless pit of patience is nearing the end.

Maybe I need a break too.

I guess I lied when I said I didn't have much to say.

Life's too short people...

Carpe diem

ps - I know, I know, I know none of that was very mod like, but you know what - screw it.

I'm sick of it, and I'm speaking my mind as a human - not a mod (we're inhuman).

two of my favorites, don't fight, don't fight....

and yes, Redz mods are inhuman, that's why I'm amazed you've lasted so long 

(and to other mods, yes this was a joke)

[Roy Hobbs]

I'm going to slightly expand on something I said earlier.

Let's just say that Roy opens a "How do you feel about legalizing PEDs" thread or something.  I doubt he'd do it, but there is a ban on legalization threads and explosive topics and I think Israel is up there with racism and abortion.

So guys start arguing about it and they get warnings. But the thread probably doesn't get locked. I feel a little like those guys got lured in and trapped.

I start the same thread. Same thing happens, but it does get locked and I get warned for starting an explosive thread.

I can see that happening, but this is the thing. That pretty much never happens. First I think the mods do self mod somewhat.  Second if anyone would be warned about conduct in the current events area it would be me and so far I'm clean. Third, there has been considerable freedom in there and other places.  People have been all over Brett Farve and no warnings. People have made fun of Pitino's horrid problems and no warnings. No warnings here. There are so many places warnings aren't happening I'm not sure why people are focused on where they are.

It's really just the FEAR that could happen or maybe even the perception, but I think perception is rarely reality, and I'm not for locking threads anyway so why would I ever be upset if a mod's thread doesn't get locked? I wouldn't. Heck Jeff locked two of his own threads lately.

Maybe the mods feel 15% more secure about what they do here. Well that's the point. That's why their mods. People with 10000 posts, 2000 TPs and that work hard on a board for no money probably should feel more secure.

If you think Mods are going out of their way to intentionally break rules or something you're out of your mind.  I've never seen so many "How are we doing" threads.

One time I think I posted something that REALLY got taken the wrong way where I said "Why do you care what others think"? cause I think sometimes the mods worry too much. Well they just do. There's like 10000 posters here and 9 of them. They're outnumbered and surrounded. I'd be more skitish than they are

As an aside, mods do self-police.  A lot of times, mods will have ideas for threads, and will run it by the mods to see if it will fly.  Sometimes the answer is yes, and sometimes no. 

Also, generally the only time we'll discipline somebody for starting a thread is if they did it specifically to attack another poster, or specifically to be defiant to the staff locking another thread.  If somebody started a topic that we deemed to be too explosive, it's likely we'd lock the thread, but nobody would be disciplined.

I think a lot of people take it personally when their threads are locked.  It's not meant that way.  There are a lot of reasons to lock a thread, and usually, that has nothing to do with us disciplining a poster. 

[dark_lord]

im officially done attempting to provide input, displeasure, etc.  we are encouraged to do so, i used to do it thru pm's but have not had good experiences with some mods thru pm's.  we are asked for input and when we do, and it is not a positive, we also get labeled as being a pin.  

im done with these type threads.....both creating them and participating in them.  

any mods want to pm me, feel free to do so.  if not, its cool.  i will not create "problems" for you, even though i dont see it as a problem.  i see it as wanting a place i have been associated with for few yrs, put lots of time and energy in, a place i care a lot about, to improve.  

think about it, for years i have been well liked and respected by virtually all.  over the last month and a half, i have been labeled as "difficult".  its out of character, bc maybe there are legit reasons.

again, im done with this. sorry for being "difficult".  i will "lighten up" and move on.

to address budweiser.....there are situations ur not aware of with me personally regarding 2 mods, which has upset me.  thats where im coming from.  i tried to work thru things privately thru pm's with no luck.  thats why im upset bc i felt unsupported, disrespected, and loss of trust.  u cant see that bc i did so privately and bc it doesnt involve other posters.

[fairweatherfan]

Holy cow - everyone is entitled to their 2 cents, but my 2 cents is that all of this drama is getting ridiculous and is much ado about nothing.  There's a lot of talk about perceived slights and double standards and almost no actual examples.  Redz especially is maybe the most laidback guy on the site, and I've seen him get attacked in multiple threads recently for the most innocent of statements or minor rule enforcement.  It seems a little silly and overly sensitive to me. 

Plus, it's the freaking Internet - it's a place to come talk about the Celtics with other people that like to talk about the Celtics.  At that, I'd say it's wildly successful. 

For the record, I voted B, but I'd've put A- if it had been an option.  There's always room for improvement, but the site is excellent at doing what it's designed to do.

[stoyko]

I think everyone acknowledges that Jeff and the mods do an awesome job making Celtics Blog the wonderful community it is. That said this thread and others like it, highlight that the forums tend to bring out the most passion and interest from many members. My advice is if the forms get your gander up too much, stick to the front page. If not, enjoy. Celticsblog is great but it's just a blog people.

[cdif911]

how bout a member vote to unlock locked threads (say 80% have to agree), sort of a check on mod power...



just thinking out loud

[jimmyt]

I'll say this:

To anyone who complains about the mods or the forums in general, take a look around at other SB nation blogs. You don't see many forums on other sites. I'm sure Jeff and the crew worked pretty hard to be able to keep the forums up on here when they moved to SB Nation.

The mods do their best to control it all. The site has grown insanely over the years and I'd say the poster to mod ratio is pretty huge. When there are well over a million visitors a month it can get a little crazy sometimes.

I guess I'm saying don't take the forums section for granted. It is a privilege to have the forums and if the mods all quit tomorrow, the forums section would be gone tomorrow with them.

[indeedproceed]

Thank you.

We'd go on strike but Jeff would have our legs broke. Sure, he plays the nice guy, but between you and I...Steven Segal has nothing on Jeff "Brass Knuckles are for Girls" Clark.