Lakers got #4 pick in a 3 person draft

[apc]

#4 pick in a 3 player draft... in which we have 3 absolutely worthless picks.

you keep saying "worthless" and it is not true

The tier between 4th pick and the 20th pick is the same (useful solid prospects but not star talent)


Culver is only a slightly better prospect than someone who's available at 14 (alexander walker, okpala, etc)

#4 pick in a 3 player draft = A Jaylen Brown

3 picks in the 14-25 range = 3 RJ Hunters

Or Gianis

[gift]

still probably puts them as the frontrunner to add Davis if Davis is still getting traded.

the Memphis pick upgraded our package a bit

Not really.  If it plays out like the Kings, they'll be a late lotto team two seasons from now.  That pick is probably worthless too.

worthless? Lol come on

Klay thompson was picked 9. How is a late lotto team worthless?

A late pick in a strong draft is better than any pick in a weak draft

Bottom line is that the #4 pick is more valuable than #14 + #22 + #24 + Memphis pick combined.

So this is going to come down to how much more valuable you see Smart + Brown + Tatum compared to Ball + Kuzma + Ingram ... and whether it's enough to tilt the balance back considering the Lakers have us beat on draft assets.

Kuzma > Tatum
Ingram < Brown
Ball < Smart (defense)
#4 > all the other picks Boston has.

I seriously doubt david griffin thinks 23 year old kuzma is better prospect than tatum

he's basically 24 at this point.

[CelticsElite]

Still can't believe someone said kuzma is a better prospect and trade asset than tatum. Lol

[Fafnir]

Still can't believe someone said kuzma is a better prospect and trade asset than tatum. Lol

The fact that a Lakers fan would think that isn't surprising. That some Celtics fans do is.

Just goes to show you want expectations do to your perceptions of how players are performing.

[Vox_Populi]

Still can't believe someone said kuzma is a better prospect and trade asset than tatum. Lol

The fact that a Lakers fan would think that isn't surprising. That some Celtics fans do is.

Just goes to show you want expectations do to your perceptions of how players are performing.

I still remember the Jordan Clarkson/Marcus Smart debates even on here. Good times.

[CelticsElite]

Still can't believe someone said kuzma is a better prospect and trade asset than tatum. Lol

The fact that a Lakers fan would think that isn't surprising. That some Celtics fans do is.

Just goes to show you want expectations do to your perceptions of how players are performing.

I still remember the Jordan Clarkson/Marcus Smart debates even on here. Good times.

lol

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I think it's a mistake to think that any given draft is only an "X-player draft." Drafts always have surprises—some good ones, some bad ones—but there's almost always more than 3 high-quality players.

[keevsnick]

still probably puts them as the frontrunner to add Davis if Davis is still getting traded.

the Memphis pick upgraded our package a bit

Not really.  If it plays out like the Kings, they'll be a late lotto team two seasons from now.  That pick is probably worthless too.

worthless? Lol come on

Klay thompson was picked 9. How is a late lotto team worthless?

A late pick in a strong draft is better than any pick in a weak draft

Bottom line is that the #4 pick is more valuable than #14 + #22 + #24 + Memphis pick combined.

So this is going to come down to how much more valuable you see Smart + Brown + Tatum compared to Ball + Kuzma + Ingram ... and whether it's enough to tilt the balance back considering the Lakers have us beat on draft assets.

Oh wow, this is really wrong. In a draft like this with such a huge drop off you'd still rather have the 4 pick for sure, but having 3 shots at it isnt bad either. Especially if you are a young tea like NOP who is gonna want to be cheap for a couple years. And to be honest in such a weak draft the MEM pick alone may hold more value because that pick is simply more valuable then you are giving it credit for. The idea that MEM is gonna incredibly improve in 2 years is very unlikely, not impossible but very unlikely. If they are bad enough the pick rolls to 2021 then its hard to go from tp six one year to late lottery or playoff the next year. So the real worst case scenario is an unprotected pick at 10-14 in two years in a better draft. Most likely is a 7-9 pick next year. Best is top 4 in 2021. Thats not a huge drop in overall value from the 4th this year.

[keevsnick]

I think it's a mistake to think that any given draft is only an "X-player draft." Drafts always have surprises—some good ones, some bad ones—but there's almost always more than 3 high-quality players.

Sure, but its nearly impossible to know who that is. Hence the expected value of the 4th pick in a 3 player draft is low.

[TheSundanceKid]

#4 pick in a 3 player draft... in which we have 3 absolutely worthless picks.

you keep saying "worthless" and it is not true

The tier between 4th pick and the 20th pick is the same (useful solid prospects but not star talent)


Culver is only a slightly better prospect than someone who's available at 14 (alexander walker, okpala, etc)

#4 pick in a 3 player draft = A Jaylen Brown

3 picks in the 14-25 range = 3 RJ Hunters

#4 could also be Wesley Johnson or Tyrus Thomas

#14 could be Marcus Morris or Troy Murphy

Just to put you in perspective..

[mr. dee]

I highly doubt the Lakers or the Knicks are capable of developing their own draft picks into star players. And even if they did, they'll probably ship them out.

[Celtics4ever]

I highly doubt the Lakers or the Knicks are capable of developing their own draft picks into star players.

Name some young players that developed next to LeBron.   Do not say Kyrie because LeBron was in MIA when he was developed.  The list is very short on quality young players who have developed next to him as he is so ball dominant.

[gouki88]

I highly doubt the Lakers or the Knicks are capable of developing their own draft picks into star players.

Name some young players that developed next to LeBron.   Do not say Kyrie because LeBron was in MIA when he was developed.  The list is very short on quality young players who have developed next to him as he is so ball dominant.

This is something that I think is pretty [dang]ing for him. Even in LA most of the youth struggled alongside him

[smokeablount]

Man LarBrd33, based on your contributions here you should probably stick to photoshopped 2 minute dancing videos and leave the basketball analysis and predictions to those of us living in reality.


From my post in the other LA thread on NO not trading with them:


It's an easy call to make regardless of holding a grudge.

Ingram was the best asset and now he's borderline untradable.

The #4 pick maybe the 2nd best asset and it's a 2 player draft, 3 at most.

Ball is probably the 3rd best asset and he flatly refused to play in NO.

Kuzma, while a great 4th asset, is extremely overrated.

Hart is not even a consideration in a deal for an MVP-caliber player, he's not even a blip on the radar.

Tatum + Memphis + Sacto alone beats LA's entire offer unless Ingram fully recovers and Ball says he'll play there.

[GreenShooter]

People on here have underestimated DeAndre Hunter his whole career. If the Lakers (or whoever picks 4th) were smart they'd take Hunter. I don't see anyone else comparable in that spot. Not even Jarrett Culver, who I like as well. After that it's all a crap-shoot. He wasn't even mocked in the lottery (edit: not in the top 10) as late as mid-season. Somehow people have caught on that he's a better player than those who were listed ahead of him. But believe me when I tell you that Hunter will be a future all-star.