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Defense is soft as butter
« on: October 22, 2018, 09:03:26 PM »

Offline KGBirdBias

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We aren't dogs on defense like we've been. It's time to play more guys who are going to be scrappy for a few mins...Semi, Theis. Teams are getting whatever they want. Offense will come but our defense has taken a step back.


Re: Defense is soft as butter
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2018, 09:05:42 PM »

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I think our defence suffers a considerable amount when we don't have the option of putting Baynes in
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Defense is soft as butter
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2018, 09:21:31 PM »

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Trying to incorporate Hayward and Irving (two guys never known for defense) is going to set the team back a bit as they attempt to return to form.  We've seen that the team can adopt a defensive identity late in the season by dialing the playing time of those two back if necessary.

Re: Defense is soft as butter
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2018, 09:24:14 PM »

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Trying to incorporate Hayward and Irving (two guys never known for defense) is going to set the team back a bit as they attempt to return to form.  We've seen that the team can adopt a defensive identity late in the season by dialing the playing time of those two back if necessary.
Hayward isn't part of the problem at all though. He's been our best wing defender not named Smart
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2018, 09:30:54 PM »

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We've sucked on both offense and defence so far this year.

we really bought into our own hype and just have looked really terrible.
My biases, in order of fervor:
Pro:
Smart, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Kemba, Grant Williams, Sleepy Williams, Edwards!

Anti:
Kanter, Semi, Theis, Poierier

Re: Defense is soft as butter
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2018, 09:33:14 PM »

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Edit: wrong thread!
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Defense is soft as butter
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2018, 09:33:49 PM »

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Edit: wrong thread!
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Defense is soft as butter
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2018, 09:34:50 PM »

Offline mr. dee

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Brown and Tatum seems to be the ones of the main culprits. Looks like they bought their own hype.

But I'll give it time
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Re: Defense is soft as butter
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2018, 09:47:20 PM »

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This team is not very fun to watch right now.

Re: Defense is soft as butter
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2018, 09:48:22 PM »

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Brown and Tatum seems to be the ones who seems to be the main culprits. Looks like they bought their own hype.

But I'll give it time
Tatum has at least had good games this year. Jaylen looks like a rookie
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2018, 09:51:35 PM »

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Baynes being out obviously hurt them but it's their offense which has been a significant issue so far this season. Their defense overall has been fine. They held Orlando to 41% shooting and their opponent shooting percentages in the previous 3 games was 39% vs Philly, 46% vs Toronto, and 41% vs NYK. Their offense has been poo poo and the main reason for their issues so far.

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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2018, 10:02:50 PM »

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Another game where Irving keeps on proving me right when it comes to his actual value to wins and losses.  He plays really badly and Boston wins, he plays good and Boston loses.  He just doesn't move the won/loss needle very much. 
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Re: Defense is soft as butter
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2018, 10:07:30 PM »

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Tatum was terrible tonight...both ends. To be expected. Can't carry them every night

Jaylon Brown needs to come off the bench. Just been awful since the Cavs series. He is the weak link right now. Can't shoot and is a sieve on defense

Al Horford needs to understand he is a big man that needs to do more than lazily stand at the 3 point line waiting

Terry Rozier has zero basketball IQ

Kyrie has 10 times more rust on him than Hayward. All that worry about Hayward needs to be shifted to #11. shooting 14 percent from three...

Defense as a team is terrible. Lazy switches. Don't close out. Just swiss cheese.

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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2018, 10:18:58 PM »

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Baynes being out obviously hurt them but it's their offense which has been a significant issue so far this season. Their defense overall has been fine. They held Orlando to 41% shooting and their opponent shooting percentages in the previous 3 games was 39% vs Philly, 46% vs Toronto, and 41% vs NYK. Their offense has been poo poo and the main reason for their issues so far.

Keeping a team to 93 points is good but scoring 90 isn't. It's definitely the offense and specifically it's the shooting.

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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2018, 10:23:24 PM »

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defense 'should' get better but this team's problem is offense.

it was the problem last yr. in gm 7 and it was the problem every yr. we made the playoffs under stevens - we've been eliminated because we go on a stretch of taking jump shots... to the point we're passing up what should be sure 2's at the basket. and it's what will get us eliminated in the playoffs this yr.

ball movement isn't just passing the ball all over the joint, there's no point in passing the ball if bodies aren't moving.

also this team is so eerily similar to that trash team of KO, Bradley and IT that teams are playing us the same way, they're playing us the same way - wait for the pass when we drive because they know we aren't going drive all the way to the basket.

now cue the "it's early" replies. but for all of you ready to waste everyone's time with those replies, do me a favor and bring this post back up at the end of the season.