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Celtics numbers that should be un-retired
« on: September 19, 2018, 11:32:21 AM »

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# 1 Walter Brown - Celtics owner. He should have his name on a banner like Loscy.

# 2 Red - Put a cigar on a banner, like the microphone for Most.

# 3 DJ - Good player. Helped us get 2 titles. 1x all-star with us. Just not enough.

# 16 Satch - Good player and multiple champion, but never an all-star

# 19 Nelson - Him, KC Jones, and Ramsey are arguably the least worthy.

# 23 Ramsey - See above.

# 25 KC - Never an all-star. As a coach ran our stars into the ground season after season.

# 31 Maxwell - Finals MVP, but just not good enough to make the cut.

# 35 Lewis - His unfortunate passing shouldn't give him an automatic entry. He was great, but just not enough time played.


I do think KG's 5 and Ainge's 44 (especially if he wins another as a GM) should be retired.

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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2018, 11:42:35 AM »

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this would in reality be a very tricky business - peoples feelings would be hurt and it'd be hard for the franchise to do this in any way and not look bad.

unless they just un-retire all of them , come up w a different system of honoring people, like what you mention for red and walter brown.

otherwise it'd be ugly.

but i agree, something needs to give eventually.

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What's done is done.

I wouldn't "un-retire" any of them.   That ship sailed a long time ago when the organization decided how they were going to do things.  You can make it more stringent going forward but I wouldn't go back and "un-retire" now unless you had the person's okay on it.


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What's done is done.

I wouldn't "un-retire" any of them.   That ship sailed a long time ago when the organization decided how they were going to do things.  You can make it more stringent going forward but I wouldn't go back and "un-retire" now unless you had the person's okay on it.
Right on the mark. You can't unretire numbers. I also disagree with most of the reasons Eddie gave for doing it. You don't have to be an All-Star or have eye popping numbers to be an all time Celtic great.

Look at it this way, if Smart spends the next 6 years as a Celtic winning a couple of titles as the team's sixth man/defensive bulldog/leader while posting numbers similar to what he has already posted, he probably deserves to have his number retired. No All-Star. No DPOY awards. Just an all time Celtic great.


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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2018, 12:29:28 PM »

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What's done is done.

I wouldn't "un-retire" any of them.   That ship sailed a long time ago when the organization decided how they were going to do things.  You can make it more stringent going forward but I wouldn't go back and "un-retire" now unless you had the person's okay on it.
Right on the mark. You can't unretire numbers. I also disagree with most of the reasons Eddie gave for doing it. You don't have to be an All-Star or have eye popping numbers to be an all time Celtic great.

Look at it this way, if Smart spends the next 6 years as a Celtic winning a couple of titles as the team's sixth man/defensive bulldog/leader while posting numbers similar to what he has already posted, he probably deserves to have his number retired. No All-Star. No DPOY awards. Just an all time Celtic great.

Exactly. If Smart has that career and doesn't improve his game then he does not deserve his number retired. These players should be Celtic greats, not just good players. However, if he ends up being a head coach and/or GM and is successful then I could get aboard for his overall body of work.

We've set the bar really low with retired numbers. Be decent, win a couple of times as a reserve, and you're in. The numbers our guys will have to chose from in say 20 years is going to be laughable.

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What's done is done.

I wouldn't "un-retire" any of them.   That ship sailed a long time ago when the organization decided how they were going to do things.  You can make it more stringent going forward but I wouldn't go back and "un-retire" now unless you had the person's okay on it.
Right on the mark. You can't unretire numbers. I also disagree with most of the reasons Eddie gave for doing it. You don't have to be an All-Star or have eye popping numbers to be an all time Celtic great.

Look at it this way, if Smart spends the next 6 years as a Celtic winning a couple of titles as the team's sixth man/defensive bulldog/leader while posting numbers similar to what he has already posted, he probably deserves to have his number retired. No All-Star. No DPOY awards. Just an all time Celtic great.

Exactly. If Smart has that career and doesn't improve his game then he does not deserve his number retired. These players should be Celtic greats, not just good players. However, if he ends up being a head coach and/or GM and is successful then I could get aboard for his overall body of work.

We've set the bar really low with retired numbers. Be decent, win a couple of times as a reserve, and you're in. The numbers our guys will have to chose from in say 20 years is going to be laughable.

Dennis Johnson wasn't a reserve.  He played for 7 years in Boston, starting 607 of 632 games for us and was a critical part of two NBA titles.   He was a great basketball player.   He was a 5 time All Star for his career and 3 time World Champion.  Just because he didn't get more than the one AS nod during that time doesn't mean anything other than at that point there were one or two more popular guards in the East.   Anybody who was paying attention knows that on a team with guys like Bird and McHale, DJ's job wasn't to post gaudy scoring numbers.  That, plus the perennial-All-Star stature of his teammates was always going to work against him for getting AS votes.
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# 1 Walter Brown - Celtics owner. He should have his name on a banner like Loscy.

# 2 Red - Put a cigar on a banner, like the microphone for Most.

# 3 DJ - Good player. Helped us get 2 titles. 1x all-star with us. Just not enough.

# 16 Satch - Good player and multiple champion, but never an all-star

# 19 Nelson - Him, KC Jones, and Ramsey are arguably the least worthy.

# 23 Ramsey - See above.

# 25 KC - Never an all-star. As a coach ran our stars into the ground season after season.

# 31 Maxwell - Finals MVP, but just not good enough to make the cut.

# 35 Lewis - His unfortunate passing shouldn't give him an automatic entry. He was great, but just not enough time played.


I do think KG's 5 and Ainge's 44 (especially if he wins another as a GM) should be retired.

I agree with those who said what's done is done but for the sake of conversation I agree with all but Reggie Lewis and DJ, those are deserving to be in the rafters.

Interesting note on Most's microphone in the rafters, i never knew this. Tried looking for a pic but nothing came up, but was referenced multiple times in articles to have happened.

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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2018, 01:12:00 PM »

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# 1 Walter Brown - Celtics owner. He should have his name on a banner like Loscy.

# 2 Red - Put a cigar on a banner, like the microphone for Most.

# 3 DJ - Good player. Helped us get 2 titles. 1x all-star with us. Just not enough.

# 16 Satch - Good player and multiple champion, but never an all-star

# 19 Nelson - Him, KC Jones, and Ramsey are arguably the least worthy.

# 23 Ramsey - See above.

# 25 KC - Never an all-star. As a coach ran our stars into the ground season after season.

# 31 Maxwell - Finals MVP, but just not good enough to make the cut.

# 35 Lewis - His unfortunate passing shouldn't give him an automatic entry. He was great, but just not enough time played.


I do think KG's 5 and Ainge's 44 (especially if he wins another as a GM) should be retired.

I agree with those who said what's done is done but for the sake of conversation I agree with all but Reggie Lewis and DJ, those are deserving to be in the rafters.

Interesting note on Most's microphone in the rafters, i never knew this. Tried looking for a pic but nothing came up, but was referenced multiple times in articles to have happened.

From IMDB:

"Honored with the permanent installation at Boston Garden of his microphone, silver-plated and encased in a Celtic-green frame, to the facade of the radio booth, the vantage point Most always described as "high above courtside." [December 1990]"

I'm pretty sure it was brought over to the "new" Garden. Seems like I have seen it outside a booth in the uppermost boxes.

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this would in reality be a very tricky business - peoples feelings would be hurt and it'd be hard for the franchise to do this in any way and not look bad.

unless they just un-retire all of them , come up w a different system of honoring people, like what you mention for red and walter brown.

otherwise it'd be ugly.

but i agree, something needs to give eventually.
why? there is a LOT of time before the celtics come close to running out of numbers.

the celtics have retired a total of 21 numbers over some 70 years. that leaves 79 number left to use. there is not a real shortage of available numbers.

at the above rate, in another 70 some years, there will still be well over 50 active numbers for players to choose from.

p.s. without the OP providing us with any rhyme or reason or basis for his choices it is hard to know whom to de-select and whom to leave in.

KG, only one championship? why put him in but others with more championships are taken out?
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# 1 Walter Brown - Celtics owner. He should have his name on a banner like Loscy.

# 2 Red - Put a cigar on a banner, like the microphone for Most.

# 3 DJ - Good player. Helped us get 2 titles. 1x all-star with us. Just not enough.

# 16 Satch - Good player and multiple champion, but never an all-star

# 19 Nelson - Him, KC Jones, and Ramsey are arguably the least worthy.

# 23 Ramsey - See above.

# 25 KC - Never an all-star. As a coach ran our stars into the ground season after season.

# 31 Maxwell - Finals MVP, but just not good enough to make the cut.

# 35 Lewis - His unfortunate passing shouldn't give him an automatic entry. He was great, but just not enough time played.


I do think KG's 5 and Ainge's 44 (especially if he wins another as a GM) should be retired.

I agree with those who said what's done is done but for the sake of conversation I agree with all but Reggie Lewis and DJ, those are deserving to be in the rafters.

Interesting note on Most's microphone in the rafters, i never knew this. Tried looking for a pic but nothing came up, but was referenced multiple times in articles to have happened.

From IMDB:

"Honored with the permanent installation at Boston Garden of his microphone, silver-plated and encased in a Celtic-green frame, to the facade of the radio booth, the vantage point Most always described as "high above courtside." [December 1990]"

I'm pretty sure it was brought over to the "new" Garden. Seems like I have seen it outside a booth in the uppermost boxes.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0609187/bio

Yeah, its way up there at TD.  It's hanging above the 330/301 area of the arena, I believe. 


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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2018, 03:41:15 PM »

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What's done is done.

I wouldn't "un-retire" any of them.   That ship sailed a long time ago when the organization decided how they were going to do things.  You can make it more stringent going forward but I wouldn't go back and "un-retire" now unless you had the person's okay on it.
Right on the mark. You can't unretire numbers. I also disagree with most of the reasons Eddie gave for doing it. You don't have to be an All-Star or have eye popping numbers to be an all time Celtic great.

Look at it this way, if Smart spends the next 6 years as a Celtic winning a couple of titles as the team's sixth man/defensive bulldog/leader while posting numbers similar to what he has already posted, he probably deserves to have his number retired. No All-Star. No DPOY awards. Just an all time Celtic great.

Exactly. If Smart has that career and doesn't improve his game then he does not deserve his number retired. These players should be Celtic greats, not just good players. However, if he ends up being a head coach and/or GM and is successful then I could get aboard for his overall body of work.

We've set the bar really low with retired numbers. Be decent, win a couple of times as a reserve, and you're in. The numbers our guys will have to chose from in say 20 years is going to be laughable.

I know this is apples to oranges, but the New York Yankees have every single digit number retired. I don’t see jersey numbers as a deal breaker for players.