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Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2018, 12:59:26 PM »

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Let me ask again, does anyone know the projected number the team is trying to be under to avoid setting the repeater tax clock?  The team's current salary is $108,230,008 not counting marcus smart at all.  A starting salary around 12 mil would obviously take us to about 120 mil.

Edit:  these totals do not count Wanamaker either, who for some reason is listed at $0.  Not sure what his salary would be?
Luxury Tax Threshold: $123,733,000
Thanks.  So can someone explain why many predict that the Celts will definitely be over the luxury tax if we sign Marcus?  I found out that Wanamaker would only be making a little over 800k so that should leave about 14.5 mil for marcus this year.

Clearly I am missing something?

Not sure what you are looking at or missing but based on data on Spotrac, the Celtics are at $126,720,019 with Smart at $11,607,143 and Wanamaker at $831,311.  That a little less than $3M over the tax line.

Nader is only partially guaranteed.  I think they plan to pay the tax.  I don't think they will give Morris away just to not pay the tax.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2018, 01:04:56 PM »

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Let me ask again, does anyone know the projected number the team is trying to be under to avoid setting the repeater tax clock?  The team's current salary is $108,230,008 not counting marcus smart at all.  A starting salary around 12 mil would obviously take us to about 120 mil.

Edit:  these totals do not count Wanamaker either, who for some reason is listed at $0.  Not sure what his salary would be?
Luxury Tax Threshold: $123,733,000
Thanks.  So can someone explain why many predict that the Celts will definitely be over the luxury tax if we sign Marcus?  I found out that Wanamaker would only be making a little over 800k so that should leave about 14.5 mil for marcus this year.

Clearly I am missing something?

Not sure what you are looking at or missing but based on data on Spotrac, the Celtics are at $126,720,019 with Smart at $11,607,143 and Wanamaker at $831,311.  That a little less than $3M over the tax line.

Nader is only partially guaranteed.  I think they plan to pay the tax.  I don't think they will give Morris away just to not pay the tax.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/

We'll see what they want to do. They could lock Bird into a contract similar to Ojeleye that is long, but non-guaranteed. This gives Bird a team and gives the Celtics roster flexibility.

If they did that, trading away Morris still gets them under the tax, which is a good place to be for the Celtics as they stare down the repeater tax in coming years.

Ojeleye and Theis offer similar defense and outside shooting. Morris is well-suited to be a 5-7th man, but on this team, he is the 9th. Ojeleye and Theis are better 9th and 10th men.

Morris just doesn't fill a position of need for this team moving forward. I would like to keep him, but it really makes sense to get under the tax by trading him.

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2018, 01:07:13 PM »

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If we are going for a championship this year, you keep him. Who really can give us what he does right now as a PF off the bench? Also another body to throw at Durant in a potential Warriors/Celtics finals.

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2018, 01:42:53 PM »

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Let me ask again, does anyone know the projected number the team is trying to be under to avoid setting the repeater tax clock?  The team's current salary is $108,230,008 not counting marcus smart at all.  A starting salary around 12 mil would obviously take us to about 120 mil.

Edit:  these totals do not count Wanamaker either, who for some reason is listed at $0.  Not sure what his salary would be?
Luxury Tax Threshold: $123,733,000
Thanks.  So can someone explain why many predict that the Celts will definitely be over the luxury tax if we sign Marcus?  I found out that Wanamaker would only be making a little over 800k so that should leave about 14.5 mil for marcus this year.

Clearly I am missing something?

Not sure what you are looking at or missing but based on data on Spotrac, the Celtics are at $126,720,019 with Smart at $11,607,143 and Wanamaker at $831,311.  That a little less than $3M over the tax line.

Nader is only partially guaranteed.  I think they plan to pay the tax.  I don't think they will give Morris away just to not pay the tax.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/
Thanks, I've been using hoops hype, which is the first one I came across.  Aside from a slight difference on Tatums's salary, the individual salaries just about match up. 

But I figured out the issue.  While the hoops hype page says the payroll is $114,283,726, they actually add up to $120,337,444 (using smarts 6 mil cap hold). 

So yeah, we'll be at about 126 mil with smarts contract.  And by the way, has the 11 mil been reported already?

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston_celtics/

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2018, 01:44:28 PM »

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If we are going for a championship this year, you keep him. Who really can give us what he does right now as a PF off the bench? Also another body to throw at Durant in a potential Warriors/Celtics finals.
Theis?

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2018, 01:51:27 PM »

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If we are going for a championship this year, you keep him. Who really can give us what he does right now as a PF off the bench? Also another body to throw at Durant in a potential Warriors/Celtics finals.
Theis?

Semi?

Hayward?

Brown?

Tatum?

Smart?

Horford?

How many do we need?

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2018, 01:53:27 PM »

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If we are going for a championship this year, you keep him. Who really can give us what he does right now as a PF off the bench? Also another body to throw at Durant in a potential Warriors/Celtics finals.
Theis?

Semi?

Hayward?

Brown?

Tatum?

Smart?

How many do we need?
Touche.

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2018, 01:53:29 PM »

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If we are going for a championship this year, you keep him. Who really can give us what he does right now as a PF off the bench? Also another body to throw at Durant in a potential Warriors/Celtics finals.
Theis?

Semi?

Hayward?

Brown?

Tatum?

Smart?

How many do we need?

After all the injuries of last year, is this really a question?  We need all of them.

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2018, 01:55:41 PM »

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Let me ask again, does anyone know the projected number the team is trying to be under to avoid setting the repeater tax clock?  The team's current salary is $108,230,008 not counting marcus smart at all.  A starting salary around 12 mil would obviously take us to about 120 mil.

Edit:  these totals do not count Wanamaker either, who for some reason is listed at $0.  Not sure what his salary would be?
Luxury Tax Threshold: $123,733,000
Thanks.  So can someone explain why many predict that the Celts will definitely be over the luxury tax if we sign Marcus?  I found out that Wanamaker would only be making a little over 800k so that should leave about 14.5 mil for marcus this year.

Clearly I am missing something?

Not sure what you are looking at or missing but based on data on Spotrac, the Celtics are at $126,720,019 with Smart at $11,607,143 and Wanamaker at $831,311.  That a little less than $3M over the tax line.

Nader is only partially guaranteed.  I think they plan to pay the tax.  I don't think they will give Morris away just to not pay the tax.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/

I agree.  I think the C's are prepared to pay the tax.  Unless Morris becomes a locker room problem because of minutes I don't see why you get rid of him.  Yeah he took a lot of bad iso shots in the playoffs last year, but guess what with KI and GH back he won't have to do that.  As a bench vet that can hit shots and play tough def and has playoff experience I def want to keep Morris unless he starts complaining about PT.

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2018, 01:57:08 PM »

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If we are going for a championship this year, you keep him. Who really can give us what he does right now as a PF off the bench? Also another body to throw at Durant in a potential Warriors/Celtics finals.
Theis?

Semi?

Hayward?

Brown?

Tatum?

Smart?

How many do we need?

After all the injuries of last year, is this really a question?  We need all of them.

This is the safe answer.  I hope we don't trade Morris.  If management is ok with paying the tax, I certainly don't have a problem with it.  It feels like DA truly believes we have a contending team this year.  Lets roll everyone back and see how far we get.

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #40 on: July 19, 2018, 02:05:51 PM »

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rather stretch Nader and trade Yabusele for cap space

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2018, 02:27:39 PM »

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Trade.  It's not like no one would want a tough vet who can score off the bench that only will cost 5m.  He's an asset not a liability.

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2018, 02:34:59 PM »

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If we are going for a championship this year, you keep him. Who really can give us what he does right now as a PF off the bench? Also another body to throw at Durant in a potential Warriors/Celtics finals.
Theis?

Semi?

Hayward?

Brown?

Tatum?

Smart?

How many do we need?

After all the injuries of last year, is this really a question?  We need all of them.

This is the safe answer.  I hope we don't trade Morris.  If management is ok with paying the tax, I certainly don't have a problem with it.  It feels like DA truly believes we have a contending team this year.  Lets roll everyone back and see how far we get.

To win championships these days, you need at least 3-superstars and 1 all-star. But now the Warriors obtained another superstar for cheap. So now you need 4 superstars and 1 all-star caliber player. The Celtics should probably add one or two more superstars to team up with Kyrie and Hayward.


#JTJB (Just Trade Jaylen Brown)
#JFJM (Just Fire Joe Mazzulla)

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2018, 02:38:00 PM »

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Morris isn't that great. His defense is pretty bad and his offense comes and goes. You could find a player like him pretty easily at any time.

That being said, he's a familiar face in the locker room, he knows the system and teammates, might as well keep him around.

I think it's more likely he'll force his way out if anything. He's going to see a huge reduction in minutes in a contract year..

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2018, 02:39:44 PM »

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rather stretch Nader and trade Yabusele for cap space

Pretty sure that this does not get C's under the luxury tax threshold.  Remember Theis and Wanamaker count 1.5 mil each.