Jaylen Brown will play tonight.https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1058834652813758464?s=21
I hate this style of basketball. Absolutely hate it.
I hate this style of basketball. Absolutely hate it.
Agreed, this constant bombing from 3 point range is really dull.
I love seeing Kyrie hustle.
I love seeing Kyrie hustle.
Kyrie looks so much faster and more athletic so far this year. That knee must of been really hurting him last year.
Too many 3s every game, no inside game and no one protecting the rim..continue this all season and Cs be out of playoff in second round
I completely disagree. Most of those first 8 threes we're wide open without a defender in site. They just missed. But they we're wide open threes.Too many 3s every game, no inside game and no one protecting the rim..continue this all season and Cs be out of playoff in second round
Yeah, our three point shots are better looks now coming on fastbreak trailers or inside/out ball, but to start the game was absolute atrocious offensive basketball. Our first five possessions we literally had five jacked up three pointers, one by each of the starters, and most of them the ball didn't even touch the paint before the shot.
Brad has to do a better job of disciplining our offense and not letting crap like that happen.
Other than a few quick threes, Smart has been phenomenal in this first quarter.
But every one of those threes we're open shots and good shots. Just didn't make them.
Last year the C's had 3 players shooting over 40% from three and Brown at 39.5% and Rozier at 38.7%. And they didn't have Hayward who has been at about 40% the last couple of years. With that many very good three point shooters, if you're taking wide open three pointers, that's an excellent shot.But every one of those threes we're open shots and good shots. Just didn't make them.
The trouble, as I see it, is that "good shots" is now considered to be any open three-pointer by just about any player on the roster, and this team is not stacked with great 3pt shooters—several good ones, but there are no Ray Allens on Klay Thompsons on this roster. And if the threes aren't falling—as happens quite often with this team—they have trouble generating offense.
Ally hoop to Hayward was scary moment
How is that a foul on Hayward? Tyreke barreled into him
I'm so done with Rozier. Dude is clearly playing hard for that next contract to the detriment of the team.
Hayward should be handling the ball in lineups with no Kyrie or Smart, because Rozier just doesn't have the BBIQ or decision-making to effectively run the offense.
I'm so done with Rozier. Dude is clearly playing hard for that next contract to the detriment of the team.
It's funny - I kinda feel the same as rocknrollforyoursoul here... but I've not watched NBA in a while and seeing the game now... it looks like all teams play like this. Three first. Paint second. Regardless of who you are.Last year the C's had 3 players shooting over 40% from three and Brown at 39.5% and Rozier at 38.7%. And they didn't have Hayward who has been at about 40% the last couple of years. With that many very good three point shooters, if you're taking wide open three pointers, that's an excellent shot.But every one of those threes we're open shots and good shots. Just didn't make them.
The trouble, as I see it, is that "good shots" is now considered to be any open three-pointer by just about any player on the roster, and this team is not stacked with great 3pt shooters—several good ones, but there are no Ray Allens on Klay Thompsons on this roster. And if the threes aren't falling—as happens quite often with this team—they have trouble generating offense.
Conections problems anyone?
Brad left that no Kyrie/Horford/Smart unit in there way too long. He can't be falling asleep on the rotations like that, as it is allowing them to stick around close.
Also, apparently we're back to the connection problems with the forums? lol
We may need to max Morris
But hey...we got 8 threads in the latest discussions area now
Is Smart the best in the league at drawing charges?
Is Smart the best in the league at drawing charges?
Yes, yes he is
Rozier and Morris are anti-ball movement.
Tatum doesn't get the same number of steps as Giannis. Maybe when he is a superstar.
Tatum doesn't get the same number of steps as Giannis. Maybe when he is a superstar.
Yes if you are a Celtics fan.Is Smart the best in the league at drawing charges?
Yes, yes he is
This team would be incredible if we could just eliminate these painfully long stretches where we struggle to score the ball.
Irving being in foul trouble obviously doesn't help.
Rozier and Morris are anti-ball movement.
Tatum doesn't get the same number of steps as Giannis. Maybe when he is a superstar.
Only seems that way because GA stride 3x as long.
Meh....Tatum has long strides too. The Greek Freak gets the benefit of 3-5 travels a game.Tatum doesn't get the same number of steps as Giannis. Maybe when he is a superstar.
Only seems that way because GA stride 3x as long.
I was literally just about to write this. I swear giannis takes one step from the 3 pnt line and he is under the basket.
Rozier and Morris are anti-ball movement.
Two main differences:
1) Morris makes his shots;
2) Morris also contributes elsewhere, too (defensively).
That's my main problem with Rozier - he's pretty much useless outside of an occasional iso scorer due to his lack of BBIQ and playmaking/defensive abilities.
EDIT: I guess he is a good guard rebounder, but I seriously do struggle to identify any other strength of his from a skills standpoint.
JUST GO UP WITH THE FREAKING BALL UNDER THE BASKET, HORFORD!
I don't care how wide open that three was - you were right under the basket and could've easily put it up!
JUST GO UP WITH THE FREAKING BALL UNDER THE BASKET, HORFORD!Drives me crazy!
I don't care how wide open that three was - you were right under the basket and could've easily put it up!
5 free throws for 3 quarters of Basketball is terrible....
At this point Jaylen Brown has shown better passing skills this year than Rozier. Jaylen is starting to make a bunch great passing decisions when shut off inside. Rozier, has just been iso heavy awful this year. Can't think of one game he played well in.Rozier and Morris are anti-ball movement.
Two main differences:
1) Morris makes his shots;
2) Morris also contributes elsewhere, too (defensively).
That's my main problem with Rozier - he's pretty much useless outside of an occasional iso scorer due to his lack of BBIQ and playmaking/defensive abilities.
EDIT: I guess he is a good guard rebounder, but I seriously do struggle to identify any other strength of his from a skills standpoint.
I'm most disappointed with Rozier's lack of progression in pick and roll play. He has the speed and ballhandling to do more, but his poor court vision and subpar passing skills really hurt him. He can't "see" how plays are going to develop.
I hope as the season progresses they move Rozier primarily off the ball. Smart or Hayward should be handling it more often if Irving isn't on the floor. Tatum could use more PnR reps too. All would be preferred over Rozier.
Terrible showing in this half.
Hate pairing Irving and Rozier in the backcourt.
hate keep saying this but no inside game what so ever on offense or defense..3rd best team in East right now is my opinion
The 21 to 5 foul shot difference is going to be hard to overcome.They earned it taking it to the hoop.
I understand that we started off the game shooting 13 straight 3s but theres no way they should have 16 more free throws than us right now. All those illegal screens Turner sets and they haven't called 1. Just terrible officiating tonight
That's a ridiculous call on Tatum. His pivot foot didn't move.
That's a ridiculous call on Tatum. His pivot foot didn't move.
This team, besides maybe Brown and Smart, have no players that have the ability to post players at their positions. The simple fact is this team was built to be long, to be great defensively and to score from the outside.
A lot of you guys just need to come to grips with this. What this team needs to do to score more inside is get better outlet passes on misses and run the ball on the break for easy baskets. Without that, you have to get used to the fact that this team was built to be an outside shooting team
This team, besides maybe Brown and Smart, have no players that have the ability to post players at their positions. The simple fact is this team was built to be long, to be great defensively and to score from the outside.
A lot of you guys just need to come to grips with this. What this team needs to do to score more inside is get better outlet passes on misses and run the ball on the break for easy baskets. Without that, you have to get used to the fact that this team was built to be an outside shooting team
I must be watching a different game or team. This team plays the drive and kick out and move the ball around the perimeter a ton. It's basically their offenseThis team, besides maybe Brown and Smart, have no players that have the ability to post players at their positions. The simple fact is this team was built to be long, to be great defensively and to score from the outside.
A lot of you guys just need to come to grips with this. What this team needs to do to score more inside is get better outlet passes on misses and run the ball on the break for easy baskets. Without that, you have to get used to the fact that this team was built to be an outside shooting team
Nobody is clamoring for more post-ups. We're arguing that there needs to be more inside-out play and penetration in general. Too many times on these threes we're just passing the ball around the perimeter and taking a semi-open look. Pretty much everyone on our team has the ability to beat their man and get into the paint, yet we're hardly doing any of that to collapse defenses and get better looks.
And that's not even getting to the issue of us consistently passing up open looks in the lane for threes.
WHERE THE F IS THE OFFENSIVE FOUL ON SABONIS?? That is so blatant and ridiculous that they don't call that. Even the Indy commentators are saying it!
Yet another lopsided, inconsistently officiated game.
I gotta admit that I like Sabonis' game.
Tyreke Evans seems like a good fit for this Pacers team.
Tonight...a bit. But his BBIQ is off the charts and he maximizes his lack of athleticism. Triboy really pushed hard on Sabonis. He was right.I gotta admit that I like Sabonis' game.I like it too but he's getting away with murder out there.
Could Morris be this team's only All-Star this year?
5-3 and no score....
5-3 and no score....
Because - you guessed it - we took a less-than-ideal three pointer, though admittedly it's more about *who* took the shot.
Shooters like Kyrie, Gordon, Morris, or Tatum are fine taking those types of fastbreak threes, but that's not the type of shot Brown should be taking.
5-3 and no score....
Because - you guessed it - we took a less-than-ideal three pointer, though admittedly it's more about *who* took the shot.
Shooters like Kyrie, Gordon, Morris, or Tatum are fine taking those types of fastbreak threes, but that's not the type of shot Brown should be taking.
That is exactly the shot brown should be taking. Its a good shot.
I agree.5-3 and no score....
Because - you guessed it - we took a less-than-ideal three pointer, though admittedly it's more about *who* took the shot.
Shooters like Kyrie, Gordon, Morris, or Tatum are fine taking those types of fastbreak threes, but that's not the type of shot Brown should be taking.
That is exactly the shot brown should be taking. Its a good shot.
How about we call a moving screen on Sabonis once in a while? [dang]it.
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How about we call a moving screen on Sabonis once in a while? [dang]it.
He's doing it on every play.
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The Celtics are taking a ton of 3s. When they get hot, we get excited. When they get cold, we complain.
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The Celtics are taking a ton of 3s. When they get hot, we get excited. When they get cold, we complain.
Good Lord, Smart, what kind of shot is that?That would be a brick - which is his specialty
They finally call that moving screen
Smart should not have the same number of shots as Kyrie in any game.
Anyone else thrilled that Evans and Sabonis just left the game?
5-3 and no score....
Because - you guessed it - we took a less-than-ideal three pointer, though admittedly it's more about *who* took the shot.
Shooters like Kyrie, Gordon, Morris, or Tatum are fine taking those types of fastbreak threes, but that's not the type of shot Brown should be taking.
That is exactly the shot brown should be taking. Its a good shot.
Nope. Brown is a set three point shooter. His three point percentage was higher last year because he took more corner threes.
C's have played great defense tonight but the story of the game is Indy 17 made FTs, Boston 5.
THAT is the type of three Brown should be taking, not fastbreak pull-up wing threes.
That's clearly off of Oladipo. You can tell by the ball rotation.
I hate that play, but great shot by Kyrie
Irving is the man!
It feels good to have a near superstar.
Some people just have the clutch gene.
5-3 and no score....
Because - you guessed it - we took a less-than-ideal three pointer, though admittedly it's more about *who* took the shot.
Shooters like Kyrie, Gordon, Morris, or Tatum are fine taking those types of fastbreak threes, but that's not the type of shot Brown should be taking.
That is exactly the shot brown should be taking. Its a good shot.
Nope. Brown is a set three point shooter. His three point percentage was higher last year because he took more corner threes.
Ya, literally everybodies percentage is higher form the corner. And if you only look at above the break shots brown would still be above average from 3 last year. Also, Morris is a 36% 3 pnt shooter on his career, he is hot this year but if you argument is Brown is a set shooter than so is Morris. Or Tatum for that matter who lived on set shots last year.
Some people just have the clutch gene.
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Some people just have the clutch gene.
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Yup.
5-3 and no score....
Because - you guessed it - we took a less-than-ideal three pointer, though admittedly it's more about *who* took the shot.
Shooters like Kyrie, Gordon, Morris, or Tatum are fine taking those types of fastbreak threes, but that's not the type of shot Brown should be taking.
That is exactly the shot brown should be taking. Its a good shot.
Nope. Brown is a set three point shooter. His three point percentage was higher last year because he took more corner threes.
Ya, literally everybodies percentage is higher form the corner. And if you only look at above the break shots brown would still be above average from 3 last year. Also, Morris is a 36% 3 pnt shooter on his career, he is hot this year but if you argument is Brown is a set shooter than so is Morris. Or Tatum for that matter who lived on set shots last year.
Morris' career three point percentage has nothing to do with it; it has everything to do with the type of shot that is. Kyrie, Morris, Tatum, etc. all regularly shoot off the pull-up like that, either off the dribble or off the fastbreak pull-up. Brown simply isn't that type of shooter. He'll shoot some like that, sure, but he's much more effective as a set shooter because he's not the natural shooting type like the others.
I mean, it's no coincidence that he bricked that fastbreak pull-up wing three and a few possessions later nailed the corner three off of the pass lol
5-3 and no score....
Because - you guessed it - we took a less-than-ideal three pointer, though admittedly it's more about *who* took the shot.
Shooters like Kyrie, Gordon, Morris, or Tatum are fine taking those types of fastbreak threes, but that's not the type of shot Brown should be taking.
That is exactly the shot brown should be taking. Its a good shot.
Nope. Brown is a set three point shooter. His three point percentage was higher last year because he took more corner threes.
Ya, literally everybodies percentage is higher form the corner. And if you only look at above the break shots brown would still be above average from 3 last year. Also, Morris is a 36% 3 pnt shooter on his career, he is hot this year but if you argument is Brown is a set shooter than so is Morris. Or Tatum for that matter who lived on set shots last year.
Morris' career three point percentage has nothing to do with it; it has everything to do with the type of shot that is. Kyrie, Morris, Tatum, etc. all regularly shoot off the pull-up like that, either off the dribble or off the fastbreak pull-up. Brown simply isn't that type of shooter. He'll shoot some like that, sure, but he's much more effective as a set shooter because he's not the natural shooting type like the others.
I mean, it's no coincidence that he bricked that fastbreak pull-up wing three and a few possessions later nailed the corner three off of the pass lol
Actually, thats exactly what is is. Its called sample size. And I'm sorry, I'll take the better career shooter in that situation all the time. Tatum and Morris are not better options to shoot that, but for the record all three should take it. And they will.
I didn't feel like we deserved that game anyway. Lots of poor play and poor stretches.
2 bad ATO's by brad in a row. Trying to get too cute with those plays. Especially the 1st one. Shouldve just been a kyrie iso and a late pick by al aka the pierce play. They also went wayyy too quick and gave Pacers 10 seconds to get a shot
Tough loss, but onto next game.In the big picture these early games don't mean a lot. Indiana there is always a tough game.
2 bad ATO's by brad in a row. Trying to get too cute with those plays. Especially the 1st one. Shouldve just been a kyrie iso and a late pick by al aka the pierce play. They also went wayyy too quick and gave Pacers 10 seconds to get a shot
Well that last play was awful. I expect more out of an ATO from Stevens
Not sure I would call it the best ATO ever but it was successful in getting Irving the shot. He just missed it.2 bad ATO's by brad in a row. Trying to get too cute with those plays. Especially the 1st one. Shouldve just been a kyrie iso and a late pick by al aka the pierce play. They also went wayyy too quick and gave Pacers 10 seconds to get a shot
That play to Irving was one of the best I have ever seen coming out of a timeout, failure in the miss by kyrie
Marcus Smart hoisting brick after brick loses these types of games.
And when Tatum is 5-11 and generally having a "meh" game with Morris at 9-13 and having his best game of the season, why were we going with Tatum there on that questionable pass and play call?
I didn't feel like we deserved that game anyway. Lots of poor play and poor stretches.
They make it too hard on themselves. They played good d and knocked down a good percentage of their many threes. They need to learn to get easier buckets. They have the talent.
Laughable loss...the game was won and you give it away with poor execution...why bring hayward in to throw the last inbounds pass? Dumb. Also embarassed for the pacers franchise celebrating that win like it was a game 7Hayward is one of the best passers on the team. He threw a bad one - it happens
Marcus Smart hoisting brick after brick loses these types of games.
He had more assists than shots taken and was a plus 12 for the game. The loss is not on him.
Hayward can be excused for poor shooting night.
But no excuse for that pass.
Lazy, sloppy and costly.
Still have no idea why our first ATO was so early in the clock, ugh. Would almost prefer a shot clock violation than an Oladipo fast break
Hayward can be excused for poor shooting night.
But no excuse for that pass.
Lazy, sloppy and costly.
Agreed, but why even bring him in to make that pass? Leave him on the bench where he was
And when Tatum is 5-11 and generally having a "meh" game with Morris at 9-13 and having his best game of the season, why were we going with Tatum there on that questionable pass and play call?
Yeah, not a good play drawn up by Stevens. Awful pass by Hawyard and like you mentioned, they should've just passed the ball to Morris for the 3 with how well he's been shooting. Poor execution and poor play calling. This one hurts and Indiana is going to be a threat to the Celts winning the East.
Still have no idea why our first ATO was so early in the clock, ugh. Would almost prefer a shot clock violation than an Oladipo fast break
Marcus Smart hoisting brick after brick loses these types of games.
I didn't feel like we deserved that game anyway. Lots of poor play and poor stretches.
They make it too hard on themselves. They played good d and knocked down a good percentage of their many threes. They need to learn to get easier buckets. They have the talent.
Too hard on themselves by not being more aggressive and driving to the bucket. And missing too many wide open 3's. And the long stretch of the late 2nd to much of the 3rd quarter of just bad play. Didn't deserve it.
Hayward can be excused for poor shooting night.
But no excuse for that pass.
Lazy, sloppy and costly.
Agreed, but why even bring him in to make that pass? Leave him on the bench where he was
Because he's probably our best passer, lol.
It didn't work this time. It happens.
Hayward really hurt the Celtics on both ends tonight (and on the last play). He doesn’t look right yet. This is gonna take awhile. Really hard to justify him playing 25-30 mins a game right now - they have 8 guys who are clearly better.
It was a good play. Kyrie makes that shot almost all the time. He just missed it. He hits it and it's game over up by 4 with what, 15 seconds left.Still have no idea why our first ATO was so early in the clock, ugh. Would almost prefer a shot clock violation than an Oladipo fast break
Should have just given Kyrie the ball to dribble out the clock before taking a last second shot.
https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/1058894348169801729QuoteHayward really hurt the Celtics on both ends tonight (and on the last play). He doesn’t look right yet. This is gonna take awhile. Really hard to justify him playing 25-30 mins a game right now - they have 8 guys who are clearly better.
Bill is right. I know it is a catch-22 with trying to win games vs. trying to get Hayward back acclimated to the NBA early in the season, but he really is not helping us all that much right now.
https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/1058894348169801729QuoteHayward really hurt the Celtics on both ends tonight (and on the last play). He doesn’t look right yet. This is gonna take awhile. Really hard to justify him playing 25-30 mins a game right now - they have 8 guys who are clearly better.
Bill is right. I know it is a catch-22 with trying to win games vs. trying to get Hayward back acclimated to the NBA early in the season, but he really is not helping us all that much right now.
Sound the panic alarm they lost to a good team on the road. Season is OVER!https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/1058894348169801729QuoteHayward really hurt the Celtics on both ends tonight (and on the last play). He doesn’t look right yet. This is gonna take awhile. Really hard to justify him playing 25-30 mins a game right now - they have 8 guys who are clearly better.
Bill is right. I know it is a catch-22 with trying to win games vs. trying to get Hayward back acclimated to the NBA early in the season, but he really is not helping us all that much right now.
100% agree and am sick to death of hearing hayward homers saying hes our "best passer" and "best player" ... He's straight up awful right now....leave him on the bench in that last play, period.
Sound the panic alarm they lost to a good team on the road. Season is OVER!https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/1058894348169801729QuoteHayward really hurt the Celtics on both ends tonight (and on the last play). He doesn’t look right yet. This is gonna take awhile. Really hard to justify him playing 25-30 mins a game right now - they have 8 guys who are clearly better.
Bill is right. I know it is a catch-22 with trying to win games vs. trying to get Hayward back acclimated to the NBA early in the season, but he really is not helping us all that much right now.
100% agree and am sick to death of hearing hayward homers saying hes our "best passer" and "best player" ... He's straight up awful right now....leave him on the bench in that last play, period.
It was a good play. Kyrie makes that shot almost all the time. He just missed it. He hits it and it's game over up by 4 with what, 15 seconds left.Still have no idea why our first ATO was so early in the clock, ugh. Would almost prefer a shot clock violation than an Oladipo fast break
Should have just given Kyrie the ball to dribble out the clock before taking a last second shot.
Tatum needs to play better.
I didn't feel like we deserved that game anyway. Lots of poor play and poor stretches.
They make it too hard on themselves. They played good d and knocked down a good percentage of their many threes. They need to learn to get easier buckets. They have the talent.
Too hard on themselves by not being more aggressive and driving to the bucket. And missing too many wide open 3's. And the long stretch of the late 2nd to much of the 3rd quarter of just bad play. Didn't deserve it.
Agree. 3's are worth more than 2's, but you can't just look at field goal percentages. You need to factor in the additional free throws earned when taking the ball to the hoop.
Hayward has been rusty, but to say he's worse than 8 guys on our team is just wrong. He's still been comfortably better than Brown and Rozier this season, who have been getting similar MPG and have been for the most part flat out awfulSound the panic alarm they lost to a good team on the road. Season is OVER!https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/1058894348169801729QuoteHayward really hurt the Celtics on both ends tonight (and on the last play). He doesn’t look right yet. This is gonna take awhile. Really hard to justify him playing 25-30 mins a game right now - they have 8 guys who are clearly better.
Bill is right. I know it is a catch-22 with trying to win games vs. trying to get Hayward back acclimated to the NBA early in the season, but he really is not helping us all that much right now.
100% agree and am sick to death of hearing hayward homers saying hes our "best passer" and "best player" ... He's straight up awful right now....leave him on the bench in that last play, period.
Pacers are average And never said the season was over? I said gordon hayward stinks and to bring him in on the last play was asinine
Something no one here has mentioned (as far as I've seen): This was the second night of a back-to-back for Indy, having been at Chicago last night. Didn't seem to bother them. Celtics, meanwhile, just had a day off and still couldn't put away the Pacers.
Something no one here has mentioned (as far as I've seen): This was the second night of a back-to-back for Indy, having been at Chicago last night. Didn't seem to bother them. Celtics, meanwhile, just had a day off and still couldn't put away the Pacers.They played in Chicago. That's like a nothing flight to Indianapolis. It's like if the C's played the night before in Hartford. No big deal. They may as well have played at home. No big difference.
Why did Kyrie only play 27 minutes? That seems strangely low for a number one option.I think he was in foul trouble early? Maybe
Why did Kyrie only play 27 minutes? That seems strangely low for a number one option.I think he was in foul trouble early? Maybe
He played 11 minutes in the first half.Why did Kyrie only play 27 minutes? That seems strangely low for a number one option.I think he was in foul trouble early? Maybe
3 fouls in the 1st half but none in the second if I remember correctly.
Morris has been the best player on the team so far this year.
Sound the panic alarm they lost to a good team on the road. Season is OVER!https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/1058894348169801729QuoteHayward really hurt the Celtics on both ends tonight (and on the last play). He doesn’t look right yet. This is gonna take awhile. Really hard to justify him playing 25-30 mins a game right now - they have 8 guys who are clearly better.
Bill is right. I know it is a catch-22 with trying to win games vs. trying to get Hayward back acclimated to the NBA early in the season, but he really is not helping us all that much right now.
100% agree and am sick to death of hearing hayward homers saying hes our "best passer" and "best player" ... He's straight up awful right now....leave him on the bench in that last play, period.