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Re: stopgap bigs?
« Reply #60 on: June 30, 2019, 10:32:08 AM »

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I suspect people looking for fireworks on acquiring a big will be disappointed.

Re: stopgap bigs?
« Reply #61 on: June 30, 2019, 10:34:45 AM »

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im thinking Robin Lopez and Dewayne Dedmon
..maybe McGee
C/PF-Horford, Baynes, Noel, Theis, Morris,
SF/SG- Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Semi, Clark
PG- Irving, Rozier, Larkin

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« Reply #62 on: June 30, 2019, 10:36:02 AM »

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stopgap bigs is about right. 

Danny Boy (and Stevens) has a real obsession with perimeter players. When will he ever learn ?
Trading Perk for soft, athletic Jeff Green may have cost us a banner.
Relying on Horford to fill our interior needs made us a soft, finesse team.
Why draft Langford when you are already pursuing Kemba Walker and you could have had a player like Brandon Clark ?

Now we will spend another year watching finesse basketball and perimeter scoring along with weak interior defense, pathetic rebounding and a limited ability to score inside. Did Danny not notice all those strong playoff teams that had multiple tall, athletic big guys who contributed to winning in several ways ?

Would much rather have seen that $32M we are giving Walker being used to sign two very good post players.
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« Reply #63 on: June 30, 2019, 10:42:52 AM »

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stopgap bigs is about right. 

Danny Boy (and Stevens) has a real obsession with perimeter players. When will he ever learn ?
Trading Perk for soft, athletic Jeff Green may have cost us a banner.
Relying on Horford to fill our interior needs made us a soft, finesse team.
Why draft Langford when you are already pursuing Kemba Walker and you could have had a player like Brandon Clark ?

Now we will spend another year watching finesse basketball and perimeter scoring along with weak interior defense, pathetic rebounding and a limited ability to score inside. Did Danny not notice all those strong playoff teams that had multiple tall, athletic big guys who contributed to winning in several ways ?

Would much rather have seen that $32M we are giving Walker being used to sign two very good post players.

Clarke is 23 and doesn't have a consistent jumper. Langford is 19 and was a top prospect earlier in the season. This team isn't good enough to be drafting by need for bench players.

I'm interested what two "very good post players" you think $32 million could get? Vooch just signed for $25 million/yr and clearly wanted to stay in Orlando. So excluding him, what players are out their whose skill set is clearly better than replacement level players?


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« Reply #64 on: June 30, 2019, 10:43:45 AM »

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With 4 scorers like Kemba, Tatum, Hayward and Jaylen ... Boston needs a rebounder / rebounder next to them more than an offensive big man (like Olynyk).

What little they (offensive bigs) improve the offense, they will more than give up on the other end in terms of downgrade in rebounding and defense.

Need someone who doesn't need the ball and is happy letting the others take all the shots because that is the situation.
Kelly attempts 7 field goals a game... I don’t see how this would take shots away from the scorers we have. Rebounding will be a little bit of a problem but that will be a problem with almost every center that we can afford unless he’s a rebounding / defensive specialist
Exactly.

Olynyk will improve the offense but only a small bit because he will only have a small role offensively behind those other 4 scorers.

However, a rebounder / defender could help the team more with the improved rebounding (and to a lesser degree defense) over the smaller upgrade Olynyk brings offensively.

Extra possessions are vital. We have lots of scoring and offense already. What we need is someone who can get the team the ball back. Rebounds, rebounds, rebounds.
I had also suggested that we bring back Zizic .. not sure about his defense but he was getting decent minutes ( on the cavs though lol)
I assume robin Lopez and Dedmon are too expensive for the room MLE. So for stop gap bigs pickings are slim.

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« Reply #65 on: June 30, 2019, 10:48:06 AM »

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Thats why i want Free agency first then draft 2nd..have free agency start july 1st, then draft july 10th...if Ainge knew we getting Kemba, he would drafted different..got 2 bigs with our picks
C/PF-Horford, Baynes, Noel, Theis, Morris,
SF/SG- Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Semi, Clark
PG- Irving, Rozier, Larkin

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« Reply #66 on: June 30, 2019, 10:57:36 AM »

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stopgap bigs is about right. 

Danny Boy (and Stevens) has a real obsession with perimeter players. When will he ever learn ?
Trading Perk for soft, athletic Jeff Green may have cost us a banner.
Relying on Horford to fill our interior needs made us a soft, finesse team.
Why draft Langford when you are already pursuing Kemba Walker and you could have had a player like Brandon Clark ?

Now we will spend another year watching finesse basketball and perimeter scoring along with weak interior defense, pathetic rebounding and a limited ability to score inside. Did Danny not notice all those strong playoff teams that had multiple tall, athletic big guys who contributed to winning in several ways ?

Would much rather have seen that $32M we are giving Walker being used to sign two very good post players.

Clarke is 23 and doesn't have a consistent jumper. Langford is 19 and was a top prospect earlier in the season. This team isn't good enough to be drafting by need for bench players.

I'm interested what two "very good post players" you think $32 million could get? Vooch just signed for $25 million/yr and clearly wanted to stay in Orlando. So excluding him, what players are out their whose skill set is clearly better than replacement level players?
Brandon Clarke is also only 6'8" and ~210lbs
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Re: stopgap bigs?
« Reply #67 on: June 30, 2019, 10:59:12 AM »

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IF the Clippers strike out on Kawhi, who would fit that team like a glove, and IMO propel them to a title,

maybe they would trade Harrell, Kabengele and their 2021 1st round pick to the C's for Jaylen Brown and Robert Williams.

I am a huge fan of Brown and one of the few who consider him ahead of Tatum.  But I defer as the general consensus is that Tatum is the better prospect. 

This idea would only be based on the idea that Kabengele has serious potential, and was maybe even picked by the Clippers for a possible deal with wing-heavy Boston should their Kawhi pursuit fail. 

Kemba, Smart, Edwards
Smart, Langford
Tatum, Semi
Hayward, G. Williams, Kabengele
Harrell, Kabengele, Theis, etc...

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« Reply #68 on: June 30, 2019, 11:07:54 AM »

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Trade for Mo Bamba or Jakob Poetl?
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« Reply #69 on: June 30, 2019, 11:10:16 AM »

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If we divide rosters into
Guards
Wings
Bigs
With 5 in each group...
Our bigs rotation now is :
Semi; Williams ; Williams ; yabu and Theis .
Combined they make $10.9M
That is 10% of the cap.
This has to be the record for lowest % cap hit for a 5 man bigs rotation in the history of nba salary cap.

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« Reply #70 on: June 30, 2019, 11:42:05 AM »

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I suspect people looking for fireworks on acquiring a big will be disappointed.

I'm not expecting fireworks. I'm worried Danny can't/wont get anyone! :-[

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« Reply #71 on: June 30, 2019, 12:16:51 PM »

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I think there are more "bigs" on the market than there are jobs and suitors right now. i think that after the feeding frenzy dies down and the top players, none of whom the celtics can afford, are gone, then ainge will see who is left and who fits.

the celtics cant be too choosey, but they will probably look at defense first. maybe Poirier and Noel become options?

the celtics can get by with a center-position that defends well and has depth of players to respond to a variety of match ups. maybe having a great player at every position is not ideal.

the line up/depth may look like Theis, Williams, Williams, and FA center X (preferably last name Williams . ;D ), unless Tacko stuns us all in summer league. the key is FA X. if that player can give the celtics around 20 to 25 minutes a night of serviceable play, the celtics might be okay there.

i guess we will see soon enough about how important having a star center is.
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« Reply #72 on: June 30, 2019, 12:21:32 PM »

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I suspect people looking for fireworks on acquiring a big will be disappointed.

I'm not expecting fireworks. I'm worried Danny can't/wont get anyone! :-[

yeah ...i hear ya ......its a sickening feeling knowing how he avoids signing bigs like its disease.  part of Ainge ball 🏀 hate the worst

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« Reply #73 on: June 30, 2019, 12:23:01 PM »

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I suspect people looking for fireworks on acquiring a big will be disappointed.

I'm not expecting fireworks. I'm worried Danny can't/wont get anyone! :-[

yeah ...i hear ya ......its a sickening feeling knowing how he avoids signing bigs like its disease.  part of Ainge ball 🏀 hate the worst
i know. i wish he would at least make an effort to get big player in here. someone like AD or KG. but he never even tries. 



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« Reply #74 on: June 30, 2019, 12:25:23 PM »

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I suspect people looking for fireworks on acquiring a big will be disappointed.

I'm not expecting fireworks. I'm worried Danny can't/wont get anyone! :-[

yeah ...i hear ya ......its a sickening feeling knowing how he avoids signing bigs like its disease.  part of Ainge ball 🏀 hate the worst
i know. i wish he would at least make an effort to get big player in here. someone like AD or KG. but he never even tries. 



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Or a max free agent we snagged from Atlanta ;)
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