POLL: Who gets traded to Philly for Okafor? Bradley, Smart, or Crowder?

[sdceltsfan]

It's dumb for us to trade Smart in the beginning of his rookie deal, while he is already so close defensively to Bradley, and so much better with such a higher ceiling offensively.

I would for the record trade Smart for Okafor straight up, but I think Philly says no because they would have drafted Smart if they valued him higher.

Bradley has the tangible value on a bargain contract. With Smarts development, Rozier improving, and drafting Jackson, I think Stevens can find ways to mask and make up for lost production on defense in trading Bradley.

What Stevens can't do is make a 17/10 Center appear out of thin air. Hordford is here, and this is an instant boost to our offense, rebounding, and spacing. Having a second big who can score on the block like Okafor would be a priceless piece to Stevens, IMO.

One that is worth sacrificing some of our guard depth for.

IT                       IT
Smart                 Bradley
Crowder     OR     Crowder   
Horford                KO?
Okafor                 Horford

I'm not even sure who our starting 5 would be going in to the opener. Yes, our bench looks freaking SOLID with Smart as a 6th man, followed by KO, Brown, Rozier, Amir, Jerb

But I think KO/Brown could be just as effective as a 6th man.

Yes I have Marcus as a 2-guard starting. Does that scare the crap out of me in ways? Yes. However, I do think he can find his way in this position, as his ball-handling seems to suggest that he should be looking for a shot (in particular a way to drive to the basket aggressively), rather than to pass first as a PG.

[mahcus smaht]

I would much rather give up Bradley and/or Rozier and some other assets for Okafor rather than Smart. Some people on here are hoping on the Rozier hype train and forget about what Smart did in the playoffs last year. If we could somehow trade for Okafor by giving up Bradley,Rozier, Hunter, and Bentil, I would be ecstatic. He could help fill a lot of our needs

the obvious problem then becomes shooting. Last year we clearly didnt have enough and youd be giving Marcus Smart a ton of minutes. This also kills gaurd depth, presumably thrusting Demetrius Jackson into a big big role. Since you cant ask Demetrius and Marcus to replace all of Bradley and Turners minutes you are also forcing huge minutes to another unproven nonshooter in Jaylen Brown. Horford is nice, but with Horford and Jahlil and presumably Amir, Kelly and Jerebko your other two shooters would see their minutes really restricted.

Spacing would be brutal and youd really kill guard depth.

[number_n9ne]

Has anyone noticed Bradley has been left out of the "core" players when management has spoken about them? Wyc never mentioned him on Felger and Mazz. Horford said nothing about him. Ainge didn't bring him to the KD or Horford meetings. It seems like they see last year's "core" as Thomas, Smart, Crowder, Olynyk, and Mickey. Thoughts?

I love Bradley and would hate to see him traded. Seems odd that he's a notable omission.

[Bostoncelticsforlife7]

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[Bostoncelticsforlife7]

I would much rather give up Bradley and/or Rozier and some other assets for Okafor rather than Smart. Some people on here are hoping on the Rozier hype train and forget about what Smart did in the playoffs last year. If we could somehow trade for Okafor by giving up Bradley,Rozier, Hunter, and Bentil, I would be ecstatic. He could help fill a lot of our needs

the obvious problem then becomes shooting. Last year we clearly didnt have enough and youd be giving Marcus Smart a ton of minutes. This also kills gaurd depth, presumably thrusting Demetrius Jackson into a big big role. Since you cant ask Demetrius and Marcus to replace all of Bradley and Turners minutes you are also forcing huge minutes to another unproven nonshooter in Jaylen Brown. Horford is nice, but with Horford and Jahlil and presumably Amir, Kelly and Jerebko your other two shooters would see their minutes really restricted.

Spacing would be brutal and youd really kill guard depth.

Ya that's true our spacing would be terrible but maybe if Danny trades for another good three point shooter this off season then maybe Bradley becomes expendable. And the trade would allow Smart or Brown to start and both would get a lot more minutes which would be great because they are our two best prospects imo and I Hunter could play some minutes as well this year

[Clench123]

If I'm Philly, I would have no interest in Smart for Okafor.  I get that they need a "guard", but more importantly they need guards who can shoot.  They added Bayless (44% from three last year), Gerald Henderson (35% from three last year - decent backup) and Sergio Rodriguez (previously a 49%/35%/81% shooter last he played in the NBA).   I think they plan on having Ben SImmons be the primarily "point forward" controlling the ball.  He looks gifted as a distributor.  So adding shooters to that team is a priority.  I'm not sure it makes much sense for them to add a player who currently is a backup defensive role player who is one of the worst shooters in the league.  Smart's a pretty terrible fit for their offense.  They need guys who can spread the floor for the bigs and create space for Simmons.

Rozier's performance in Summer league is encouraging, but it's Summer League.  NO way would I trade Okafor for him if I was the 76ers.  Rozier was thought to be a 2nd round pick that Boston reached for at #16.  He's coming off a rookie season where he did basically nothing.   He should have next to no trade value at the moment.   Though again, his performance in D-League and Summer League are encouraging signs.  Anxious to see if he can contribute next year.  If he proves to be effective while playing in the NBA, his stock will rise. 

Obviously, Crowder would be someone Philly would have interest in.  Solid two-way player.   I can't see Boston making that move. 

Bradley likewise would be a nice get for Philly.  He's an all-NBA defender so he can guard the opposing team's point guards when Simmons runs point on offense.  He's also a more than adequate shooter so he'd fill a need for that team.   

Not sure any of these moves make sense for both teams.  I guess Bradley for Okafor would make sense, but Boston would have to be super confident in the other guards on the team.  Someone would need to step up and Boston currently relies on Bradley's defense and shooting.

Why are you always advocate for other teams in trade proposal threads?  Who cares what is benefitial to their team?  They don't know that.  As long as it's a benefit to the Celtics.  If one of the management is browsing through the forum, you just screwed us of a good deal.

[vjcsmoke]

rofl.  I doubt very much that the GMs of any professional basketball team are browsing our forums.

besides, if a nonpro poster can come up with these ideas, you don't think they have scouts feeding them reports on the Celtics players?

[LarBrd33]

If I'm Philly, I would have no interest in Smart for Okafor.  I get that they need a "guard", but more importantly they need guards who can shoot.  They added Bayless (44% from three last year), Gerald Henderson (35% from three last year - decent backup) and Sergio Rodriguez (previously a 49%/35%/81% shooter last he played in the NBA).   I think they plan on having Ben SImmons be the primarily "point forward" controlling the ball.  He looks gifted as a distributor.  So adding shooters to that team is a priority.  I'm not sure it makes much sense for them to add a player who currently is a backup defensive role player who is one of the worst shooters in the league.  Smart's a pretty terrible fit for their offense.  They need guys who can spread the floor for the bigs and create space for Simmons.

Rozier's performance in Summer league is encouraging, but it's Summer League.  NO way would I trade Okafor for him if I was the 76ers.  Rozier was thought to be a 2nd round pick that Boston reached for at #16.  He's coming off a rookie season where he did basically nothing.   He should have next to no trade value at the moment.   Though again, his performance in D-League and Summer League are encouraging signs.  Anxious to see if he can contribute next year.  If he proves to be effective while playing in the NBA, his stock will rise. 

Obviously, Crowder would be someone Philly would have interest in.  Solid two-way player.   I can't see Boston making that move. 

Bradley likewise would be a nice get for Philly.  He's an all-NBA defender so he can guard the opposing team's point guards when Simmons runs point on offense.  He's also a more than adequate shooter so he'd fill a need for that team.   

Not sure any of these moves make sense for both teams.  I guess Bradley for Okafor would make sense, but Boston would have to be super confident in the other guards on the team.  Someone would need to step up and Boston currently relies on Bradley's defense and shooting.

Why are you always advocate for other teams in trade proposal threads?  Who cares what is benefitial to their team?  They don't know that.  As long as it's a benefit to the Celtics.  If one of the management is browsing through the forum, you just screwed us of a good deal.

K... let's trade Sully and Zeller for LeBron and Durant. 

You're probably right though.  Managers of other teams read my opinions on CelticsBlog to decide what to do. 

Colangelo 1:  "Should we trade Okafor for Terry Rozier?"
Colangelo 2:  "No, let's hold off.  LarBrd33 on Celticsblog says it's a bad idea." 

[GratefulCs]

If I'm Philly, I would have no interest in Smart for Okafor.  I get that they need a "guard", but more importantly they need guards who can shoot.  They added Bayless (44% from three last year), Gerald Henderson (35% from three last year - decent backup) and Sergio Rodriguez (previously a 49%/35%/81% shooter last he played in the NBA).   I think they plan on having Ben SImmons be the primarily "point forward" controlling the ball.  He looks gifted as a distributor.  So adding shooters to that team is a priority.  I'm not sure it makes much sense for them to add a player who currently is a backup defensive role player who is one of the worst shooters in the league.  Smart's a pretty terrible fit for their offense.  They need guys who can spread the floor for the bigs and create space for Simmons.

Rozier's performance in Summer league is encouraging, but it's Summer League.  NO way would I trade Okafor for him if I was the 76ers.  Rozier was thought to be a 2nd round pick that Boston reached for at #16.  He's coming off a rookie season where he did basically nothing.   He should have next to no trade value at the moment.   Though again, his performance in D-League and Summer League are encouraging signs.  Anxious to see if he can contribute next year.  If he proves to be effective while playing in the NBA, his stock will rise. 

Obviously, Crowder would be someone Philly would have interest in.  Solid two-way player.   I can't see Boston making that move. 

Bradley likewise would be a nice get for Philly.  He's an all-NBA defender so he can guard the opposing team's point guards when Simmons runs point on offense.  He's also a more than adequate shooter so he'd fill a need for that team.   

Not sure any of these moves make sense for both teams.  I guess Bradley for Okafor would make sense, but Boston would have to be super confident in the other guards on the team.  Someone would need to step up and Boston currently relies on Bradley's defense and shooting.

Why are you always advocate for other teams in trade proposal threads?  Who cares what is benefitial to their team?  They don't know that.  As long as it's a benefit to the Celtics.  If one of the management is browsing through the forum, you just screwed us of a good deal.

i think lar is just trying to look at it realistically


Philly is gonna want to trade for someone who helps them

Not just to 'take someone off our hands'

[droopdog7]

If I'm Philly, I would have no interest in Smart for Okafor.  I get that they need a "guard", but more importantly they need guards who can shoot.  They added Bayless (44% from three last year), Gerald Henderson (35% from three last year - decent backup) and Sergio Rodriguez (previously a 49%/35%/81% shooter last he played in the NBA).   I think they plan on having Ben SImmons be the primarily "point forward" controlling the ball.  He looks gifted as a distributor.  So adding shooters to that team is a priority.  I'm not sure it makes much sense for them to add a player who currently is a backup defensive role player who is one of the worst shooters in the league.  Smart's a pretty terrible fit for their offense.  They need guys who can spread the floor for the bigs and create space for Simmons.

Rozier's performance in Summer league is encouraging, but it's Summer League.  NO way would I trade Okafor for him if I was the 76ers.  Rozier was thought to be a 2nd round pick that Boston reached for at #16.  He's coming off a rookie season where he did basically nothing.   He should have next to no trade value at the moment.   Though again, his performance in D-League and Summer League are encouraging signs.  Anxious to see if he can contribute next year.  If he proves to be effective while playing in the NBA, his stock will rise. 

Obviously, Crowder would be someone Philly would have interest in.  Solid two-way player.   I can't see Boston making that move. 

Bradley likewise would be a nice get for Philly.  He's an all-NBA defender so he can guard the opposing team's point guards when Simmons runs point on offense.  He's also a more than adequate shooter so he'd fill a need for that team.   

Not sure any of these moves make sense for both teams.  I guess Bradley for Okafor would make sense, but Boston would have to be super confident in the other guards on the team.  Someone would need to step up and Boston currently relies on Bradley's defense and shooting.

Why are you always advocate for other teams in trade proposal threads?  Who cares what is benefitial to their team?  They don't know that.  As long as it's a benefit to the Celtics.  If one of the management is browsing through the forum, you just screwed us of a good deal.

Because most of us understand that other teams aren't completely stupid.  The term, you got to give up something to get something seems to completely escape the minds of most people on this board.  Most of the time, the VERY first thing I hear in any proposed trade is, I don't like this guy, let's trade him.  Nobody ever wants trade someone they like; only  someone they don't like.

In terms of the OP, I would drive smart there myself if that is all it would cost us.  But I'm sorry, a defensive specialist guard (role player) won't be enough to get us a 20 and 10 center.  Not even close.

And on what planet is smart a better offensive player than Avery?  Avery better on both sides of the ball.

[nickagneta]

I voted none of the above because I really feel after Wyc's comments about a difficult player's asking price going down that the center the Celtics are looking to add is Cousins. Celtics are in win now mode. They aren't going to want to wait for a 2-3 years to pass for Okafor to develop to his fullest and be a certifiable asset come playoff time. They want a current star that is established in the league. That would be Cousins, though I think he could cause locker room problems.