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Re: Noel to Mavs rumor (per Woj)
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2017, 12:39:59 PM »

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Oh, COME ON! ! !

We can't match that price? Amir, a 1st, a 2nd and James Young/Gerald Green? Really???

Come the heck on, man!!!

Your vastly uninformed

We could have, but unless we were willing to pay him a max or near-max contract this summer, why bother?

It matters because he's a good player, who's could turn out to be really good. We're going to have to pay another big regardless, to solve our rebounding/rim protection issues, so why not Nerlens?

Noel isn't gonna solve anybody's rebounding issues.  As a defensive rebounder, he's about on Olynyk's level

Re: Woj: Noel for Bogut + Anderson + protected 1st
« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2017, 12:52:54 PM »

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Woj just tweeted that Bogut wants to be a free agent, will probably get bought out if he can't be rerouted to another team.  Still in play for the Celts.

Re: Woj: Noel for Bogut + Anderson + protected 1st
« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2017, 12:53:56 PM »

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Philly organzation is a joke!!! Traded Noel & Ersan..borh been playing good and philly was winning...now back to being a joke
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Re: Noel to Mavs rumor (per Woj)
« Reply #63 on: February 23, 2017, 12:54:24 PM »

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Oh, COME ON! ! !

We can't match that price? Amir, a 1st, a 2nd and James Young/Gerald Green? Really???

Come the heck on, man!!!



We could have, but unless we were willing to pay him a max or near-max contract this summer, why bother?

It matters because he's a good player, who's could turn out to be really good. We're going to have to pay another big regardless, to solve our rebounding/rim protection issues, so why not Nerlens?

Noel isn't gonna solve anybody's rebounding issues.  As a defensive rebounder, he's about on Olynyk's level

Your vastly uninformed


I'm assuming that that's where you meant to put that (and that you meant "You're")

So, why don't you prove to me that Noel is a good rebounder? Because according to defensive rebound %, he's merely okay (although his 19.2% is worse than Kelly Olynyk's 20.4%), and his offensive rebound % is bad for someone who attempts 80% of their shots within 10 feet (9.0%, worse than Zeller and Amir, both of whom have at least some range).

Now, he does beat Kelly 14.1% to 12.6% on TRB%, but that is entirely from offensive rebounds and can mostly be accounted for by role (ie Kelly being kept on the outside on offense while Noel plays more inside)

Noel is a very good defensive player, but he's not a good rebounder.
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Re: Woj: Noel for Bogut + Anderson + protected 1st
« Reply #64 on: February 23, 2017, 12:55:12 PM »

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Woj just tweeted that Bogut wants to be a free agent, will probably get bought out if he can't be rerouted to another team.  Still in play for the Celts.

Isn't it not up to him at this point? He's property of Philly.
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Re: Woj: Noel for Bogut + Anderson + protected 1st
« Reply #65 on: February 23, 2017, 12:55:40 PM »

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Woj just tweeted that Bogut wants to be a free agent, will probably get bought out if he can't be rerouted to another team.  Still in play for the Celts.


Of course he does.   He gets a 2nd contract for the year where top teams can compete for his services.

Re: Woj: Noel for Bogut + Anderson + protected 1st
« Reply #66 on: February 23, 2017, 12:57:58 PM »

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After all the talk of Nerlens being good value for Smart, I'm glad that they didn't get a ton for him (I guess that depends how you feel about Anderson and what they get for Bogut)
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Re: Woj: Noel for Bogut + Anderson + protected 1st
« Reply #67 on: February 23, 2017, 12:58:01 PM »

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Lowe reporting that if this year's Dallas 1st doesn't convey (extremely likely) it turns into 2017 and 18 2nd rounders.  Looking better for Dallas here.

Re: Woj: Noel for Bogut + Anderson + protected 1st
« Reply #68 on: February 23, 2017, 12:58:38 PM »

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To clarify, the Mavericks' pick to Philly dissolves into two second-round picks if not conveyed this summer.


Re: Woj: Noel for Bogut + Anderson + protected 1st
« Reply #69 on: February 23, 2017, 12:59:32 PM »

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Lowe reporting that if this year's Dallas 1st doesn't convey (extremely likely) it turns into 2017 and 18 2nd rounders.  Looking better for Dallas here.

Really? Wow, that's a steal for the Mavs if true
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Re: Woj: Noel for Bogut + Anderson + protected 1st
« Reply #70 on: February 23, 2017, 12:59:37 PM »

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Noel for two seconds.  Great deal for the Mavs.


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Re: Woj: Noel for Bogut + Anderson + protected 1st
« Reply #71 on: February 23, 2017, 01:00:02 PM »

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Woj just tweeted that Bogut wants to be a free agent, will probably get bought out if he can't be rerouted to another team.  Still in play for the Celts.

Isn't it not up to him at this point? He's property of Philly.


Why would a tanker want him?

Re: Woj: Noel for Bogut + Anderson + protected 1st
« Reply #72 on: February 23, 2017, 01:01:47 PM »

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Noel for two seconds.  Great deal for the Mavs.
Anderson also.  Plus whatever Philly can turn Bogut into.
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Re: Woj: Noel for Bogut + Anderson + protected 1st
« Reply #73 on: February 23, 2017, 01:01:55 PM »

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Re: Woj: Noel for Bogut + Anderson + protected 1st
« Reply #74 on: February 23, 2017, 01:04:19 PM »

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Lowe reporting that if this year's Dallas 1st doesn't convey (extremely likely) it turns into 2017 and 18 2nd rounders.  Looking better for Dallas here.

And since Dallas is 9.5 games out of a tie for the 19th draft spot, with 11 teams ahead of them, there's no way Philly gets a 1st.

I've been saying for months that Philly was overplaying their hand on Noel.