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Re: Who is expecting a leap from Marcus Smart in year 3?
« Reply #135 on: June 30, 2016, 01:02:54 PM »

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Not really. What reason is their to believe he's going to become a legitimate offensive threat, besides a hunch or blind faith?

Marcus is a good player. But it's not like he's 19, or still learning the game. Most guys have developed their skill set pretty definitively by his age. 
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Re: Who is expecting a leap from Marcus Smart in year 3?
« Reply #136 on: July 07, 2016, 05:02:11 AM »

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Speaking of player comparisons.  Avery Bradley should give us hope.  His first year of shooting stunk.  His second year of shooting was significantly better.  But his third year of shooting showed significant and alarming regression.  Nowadays he is a very good outside threat all the way out to 3 point range.

AB year1 2pt% 34.3, 3pt% 0, FT% 50.0
AB year2 2pt% 49.8, 3pt% 40.7, FT% 79.5
AB year3 2p% 40.2, 3pt% 31.7, FT% 75.5
AB year4 2pt% 43.8, 3pt% 39.5, FT% 80.4

So if you had written AB off during his regression year, you'd be wrong about his prospects as a shooter.  What I find a significant correlation is that his FT shooting stayed at an improved level and his shooting eventually rounded out to match his prowess at the charity stripe.

It's way too early to dismiss Smart considering he has shown the leap in FT% which indicates that his shooting form is improving.  Now he just needs to put it all together, improve his shot selection as well, and translate that improved form to shooting in the field.

Sometimes it takes players longer to develop their games.  The regression year is alarming, but hardly signals that Smart won't be able to put it all together this early into his career.

AB stats source:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bradlav01.html


TP....thanks for the helpful perspective

Re: Who is expecting a leap from Marcus Smart in year 3?
« Reply #137 on: July 07, 2016, 05:50:23 AM »

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Speaking of player comparisons.  Avery Bradley should give us hope.  His first year of shooting stunk.  His second year of shooting was significantly better.  But his third year of shooting showed significant and alarming regression.  Nowadays he is a very good outside threat all the way out to 3 point range.

AB year1 2pt% 34.3, 3pt% 0, FT% 50.0
AB year2 2pt% 49.8, 3pt% 40.7, FT% 79.5
AB year3 2p% 40.2, 3pt% 31.7, FT% 75.5
AB year4 2pt% 43.8, 3pt% 39.5, FT% 80.4

So if you had written AB off during his regression year, you'd be wrong about his prospects as a shooter.  What I find a significant correlation is that his FT shooting stayed at an improved level and his shooting eventually rounded out to match his prowess at the charity stripe.

It's way too early to dismiss Smart considering he has shown the leap in FT% which indicates that his shooting form is improving.  Now he just needs to put it all together, improve his shot selection as well, and translate that improved form to shooting in the field.

Sometimes it takes players longer to develop their games.  The regression year is alarming, but hardly signals that Smart won't be able to put it all together this early into his career.

AB stats source:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bradlav01.html


TP....thanks for the helpful perspective

Sorry to be the negative one, but those numbers are taken completely out of context, to be completely honest.

Avery Bradley entered the league as a rookie with an existing major injury, playing on a championship caliber team where rookies got no playing opportunities.

His second year nobody expected a thing of him until he actually got given some meaningful minutes, and when he did he started making an impact and hitting shots immediately.

His third season "regression" was due to the fact that he was coming off a season ending injury that required him to get two (not one, but TWO) dislocated shoulders surgically repaired.   He started the season shooting horribly, as you would expect from somebody who just got surgery on both shoulders.  It took about half a season before he started to find his shot again, and it did improve towards the end of the season.

The following year he had right back up to around the 40% mark from three again.

Bradley was also a pretty good shooter in college - from memory he shot around 37% - 38% from three before he was drafted.  Bradley always showed clear potential as a shooter.  He never looked like the second coming of Ray Allen, but he could always shoot.

Marcus Smart has never shown any indication of being CAPABLE of being a good shooter.  HE shot poor in college.  He shot poor in summer league.  He shot poor in two full NBA regular seasons.  He shot decent in the playoffs last year which is about the first time he's done so on any stage - and that was a 7 game sample size.

By no means does this suggest Smart is a lost cause as a shooter - but it doesn't look good at all.  There's nothing hinting at his shooting potential.  Absolutely nothing.  We just have to hope he surprises the world (e.g. Jason Kidd) and one day becomes a capable shooter. 

Re: Who is expecting a leap from Marcus Smart in year 3?
« Reply #138 on: July 07, 2016, 07:06:31 AM »

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Speaking of player comparisons.  Avery Bradley should give us hope.  His first year of shooting stunk.  His second year of shooting was significantly better.  But his third year of shooting showed significant and alarming regression.  Nowadays he is a very good outside threat all the way out to 3 point range.

AB year1 2pt% 34.3, 3pt% 0, FT% 50.0
AB year2 2pt% 49.8, 3pt% 40.7, FT% 79.5
AB year3 2p% 40.2, 3pt% 31.7, FT% 75.5
AB year4 2pt% 43.8, 3pt% 39.5, FT% 80.4

So if you had written AB off during his regression year, you'd be wrong about his prospects as a shooter.  What I find a significant correlation is that his FT shooting stayed at an improved level and his shooting eventually rounded out to match his prowess at the charity stripe.

It's way too early to dismiss Smart considering he has shown the leap in FT% which indicates that his shooting form is improving.  Now he just needs to put it all together, improve his shot selection as well, and translate that improved form to shooting in the field.

Sometimes it takes players longer to develop their games.  The regression year is alarming, but hardly signals that Smart won't be able to put it all together this early into his career.

AB stats source:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bradlav01.html


TP....thanks for the helpful perspective

Sorry to be the negative one, but those numbers are taken completely out of context, to be completely honest.

Avery Bradley entered the league as a rookie with an existing major injury, playing on a championship caliber team where rookies got no playing opportunities.

His second year nobody expected a thing of him until he actually got given some meaningful minutes, and when he did he started making an impact and hitting shots immediately.

His third season "regression" was due to the fact that he was coming off a season ending injury that required him to get two (not one, but TWO) dislocated shoulders surgically repaired.   He started the season shooting horribly, as you would expect from somebody who just got surgery on both shoulders.  It took about half a season before he started to find his shot again, and it did improve towards the end of the season.

The following year he had right back up to around the 40% mark from three again.

Bradley was also a pretty good shooter in college - from memory he shot around 37% - 38% from three before he was drafted.  Bradley always showed clear potential as a shooter.  He never looked like the second coming of Ray Allen, but he could always shoot.

Marcus Smart has never shown any indication of being CAPABLE of being a good shooter.  HE shot poor in college.  He shot poor in summer league.  He shot poor in two full NBA regular seasons.  He shot decent in the playoffs last year which is about the first time he's done so on any stage - and that was a 7 game sample size.

By no means does this suggest Smart is a lost cause as a shooter - but it doesn't look good at all.  There's nothing hinting at his shooting potential.  Absolutely nothing.  We just have to hope he surprises the world (e.g. Jason Kidd) and one day becomes a capable shooter.
This is what my reasonable hopes are.  If I was Smart this off-season, I would get a personal shooting coach to help with form and be putting up 1000 jump-shots a day.

Re: Who is expecting a leap from Marcus Smart in year 3?
« Reply #139 on: July 07, 2016, 07:27:46 AM »

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He better shoot better than 38% last year from the field.   Otherwise his star potential is going to get tarnished.

Re: Who is expecting a leap from Marcus Smart in year 3?
« Reply #140 on: July 07, 2016, 07:30:28 AM »

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Tony Allen is wearing a Ring so I'll take it..

And for whoever said Offense is more important please explain that to Gs who had their vaunted Offense Stuffed.. And the Finals MVP won lead his team to game 7 victory on the road did it not because of his Offense  but because the  the many individual defensive plays he made..

Defense wins championships.. This has been proven..
Marcus is one of the best in the league.. We can live with his offense as long as he gives it up on the defensive end.

Question. Then why make the pick? When you can just trade it for Tony Allen?

No one is going to argue what great defense means to winning, but Smart needs to put it all together to be worth the #6 pick and he's lucky James Young was an even bigger disappointment. I'm personally not satisfied with sub 40% shooting ON THE FLOOR! You have to be the biggest homer to think that's actually great for our team and that Smart is not due for any improvement because "that defense tho :o"

Simple. I am not sure where you fall at in the whole Jimmy Butler thing but alot of People are ready to throw the Farm and the Farmers wife in a Deal for him.. When you look at his first 2 years (Butlers) and compare them to Smart you would have to think that Smart is on his way to becoming Jimmy Butler at the very least..

Smart has just completed his 2nd year and already he is a proven Asset when it comes to winning games.. Yes his offense is not What his defense is but you have to give the kid time.. He is ALREADY Tony Allen in only his 2nd full year..

Thats why I draft this guy.
People act like Smart is a 5 year Vet or something. Just 2 years in..

Allen can lock up a point guard. Smart can't stay with point guards at all really. Big difference.

Re: Who is expecting a leap from Marcus Smart in year 3?
« Reply #141 on: July 07, 2016, 09:09:44 AM »

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Ugh, I don't know.

He can drive to the rim well. He is already an elite defender. I just don't know where he comes in because AB is first team all defense and our best shooter, and IT will be our starting PG for a long time... unless we land Westbrook somehow.

If he worked overtime on his jumpshot he could be effective. 12 pts, 3-4 ast, 3-4 rebounds off the bench. But I would still say use him as a trade chip for Noel, because we can get many role players like Smart in the free agent market. We still need an elite defender and rebounder. With this trade we could truly be contending and rebuilding at the same time.

IT
AB
Jae
Horford
Noel

Thats a soild second in the east and we have Rozier, Brown, Noel, Zizic, Yabusele, etc as our young talent. Brown and Noel could become all stars/superstars and Rozier and Zizic could become 3rd or 4th best players on a contending team.