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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: Tr1boy on June 13, 2018, 10:56:55 AM
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But his son won't get traded ;D . And that Lonzo will make Lebron better
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/06/lebron-james-lavar-lonzo-ball-lakers-free-agency-comments-nba-cavs
What is this guy seriously smokin?? For entertainment sake, would love to see Lebron join the Lakers..... but then Lonzo shipped out (Lebron pulls another "trade Wiggins" request)
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The funniest bit was when he was talking to Cowherd about it, and said something along the lines of "the only guy I know of who will be joining LeBron in LA is LiAngelo."
Man, the guy is hilarious. Absolutely out of touch with reality, but hilarious.
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It would be pure comedy if we heard a report that Lebron gave Magic Johnson an ultimatum: Ship Lonzo out of town and trade him for value (or another piece) OR I'm not coming, period
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
(Cowherd actually alluded to this scenario yesterday)
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It would be pure comedy if we heard a report that Lebron gave Magic Johnson an ultimatum: Ship Lonzo out of town and trade him for value (or another piece) OR I'm not coming, period
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
(Cowherd actually alluded to this scenario yesterday)
Lebron will absolutely do this. He does like Lonzo it looks (after games, long talks)....but I can't imagine he can stand the sight of his father. His father already spoke badly about his kids, so his wife wouldn't be happy to be close to Lavar
I wonder how the BBB brand would do in Cleveland lol
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Can a cap expert chime in
could this trade work?
To Cavs: Lonzo, Ingram, Randle, cash consideration
To Lakers: Lebron and other minor pieces
* up to how much cash can the Lakers include?
OR it would have to be something more like
To Cavs: Lonzo, Ingram, Deng, 2018 25th pick
To Lakers: Lebron and other minor pieces
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The funniest bit was when he was talking to Cowherd about it, and said something along the lines of "the only guy I know of who will be joining LeBron in LA is LiAngelo."
Man, the guy is hilarious. Absolutely out of touch with reality, but hilarious.
;D
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Can a cap expert chime in
could this trade work?
To Cavs: Lonzo, Ingram, Randle, cash consideration
To Lakers: Lebron and other minor pieces
* up to how much cash can the Lakers include?
OR it would have to be something more like
To Cavs: Lonzo, Ingram, Deng, 2018 25th pick
To Lakers: Lebron and other minor pieces
Why? The Lakers can sign LeBron and Paul George without making a trade.
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Can a cap expert chime in
could this trade work?
To Cavs: Lonzo, Ingram, Randle, cash consideration
To Lakers: Lebron and other minor pieces
* up to how much cash can the Lakers include?
OR it would have to be something more like
To Cavs: Lonzo, Ingram, Deng, 2018 25th pick
To Lakers: Lebron and other minor pieces
Why? The Lakers can sign LeBron and Paul George without making a trade.
That's not the question....could it work?
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Can a cap expert chime in
could this trade work?
To Cavs: Lonzo, Ingram, Randle, cash consideration
To Lakers: Lebron and other minor pieces
* up to how much cash can the Lakers include?
OR it would have to be something more like
To Cavs: Lonzo, Ingram, Deng, 2018 25th pick
To Lakers: Lebron and other minor pieces
Why? The Lakers can sign LeBron and Paul George without making a trade.
That's not the question....could it work?
Since you haven’t said how much Julius Randle is making, there’s no answer. Accordingly, I’ll just not waste my time on a completely unnecessary trade.
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It would be pure comedy if we heard a report that Lebron gave Magic Johnson an ultimatum: Ship Lonzo out of town and trade him for value (or another piece) OR I'm not coming, period
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
(Cowherd actually alluded to this scenario yesterday)
Actually, I think it would be "Ship LaVar out of town or I'm not coming."
Mike
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Can a cap expert chime in
could this trade work?
To Cavs: Lonzo, Ingram, Randle, cash consideration
To Lakers: Lebron and other minor pieces
* up to how much cash can the Lakers include?
OR it would have to be something more like
To Cavs: Lonzo, Ingram, Deng, 2018 25th pick
To Lakers: Lebron and other minor pieces
Why? The Lakers can sign LeBron and Paul George without making a trade.
That's not the question....could it work?
Since you haven’t said how much Julius Randle is making, there’s no answer. Accordingly, I’ll just not waste my time on a completely unnecessary trade.
then don't waste your time. it doesn't matter
Lebron has a better chance to make max extension quicker via trade. As well he may not want Lonzo on the team as explained by some of the posts above
Will the Lakers also go above and beyond the cap to keep Randle?
Cavs can sign him for whatever or match
Could all this complication not happen with Lebron just signing as a FA?
sure but if he wants max quickly and does not want to be around Lavar, this trade scenerio is a possibility imo
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I think he's trying to see if they can sign 2 FA and trade for LeBron, but that also doesn't make sense because other than LeBron and George, the FA class is pretty weak. Either way, Randle can't make enough money to accomplish this trade:
Base year compensation
Certain players in the first few months of a new contract are subject to base year compensation (BYC). The intent of BYC is to prevent teams from re-signing players to salaries specifically targeted to match other salaries in a trade (in other words, salary should be based on basketball value, not trade value). A BYC player's trade value as outgoing salary is 50% of his new salary, or his previous salary, whichever is greater. BYC applies only to players who re-sign with their previous team and receive a raise greater than 20%. It also applies only when (and as long as) the team is over the salary cap. Under the 2011 CBA, players subject to BYC cannot be traded before January 15 except in a sign-and-trade, and BYC is only applied to outgoing salary in sign-and-trade deals.[6]
So they'd either have to include Deng or sign Randle for $34 million, which is not possible given his years in the league (his max is $25,250,000).
To answer your general question, though, I think if the Lakers offered Deng, Ball, and Ingram for LeBron (he's already leaving), I think the Cavs for sure take that deal. So you don't even need to deal with Randle. The Cavs can flip Ball and Ingram for future picks if necessary while having a 5 year rebuild horizon.
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I think he's trying to see if they can sign 2 FA and trade for LeBron, but that also doesn't make sense because other than LeBron and George, the FA class is pretty weak. Either way, Randle can't make enough money to accomplish this trade:
Base year compensation
Certain players in the first few months of a new contract are subject to base year compensation (BYC). The intent of BYC is to prevent teams from re-signing players to salaries specifically targeted to match other salaries in a trade (in other words, salary should be based on basketball value, not trade value). A BYC player's trade value as outgoing salary is 50% of his new salary, or his previous salary, whichever is greater. BYC applies only to players who re-sign with their previous team and receive a raise greater than 20%. It also applies only when (and as long as) the team is over the salary cap. Under the 2011 CBA, players subject to BYC cannot be traded before January 15 except in a sign-and-trade, and BYC is only applied to outgoing salary in sign-and-trade deals.[6]
So they'd either have to include Deng or sign Randle for $34 million, which is not possible given his years in the league (his max is $25,250,000).
To answer your general question, though, I think if the Lakers offered Deng, Ball, and Ingram for LeBron (he's already leaving), I think the Cavs for sure take that deal. So you don't even need to deal with Randle. The Cavs can flip Ball and Ingram for future picks if necessary while having a 5 year rebuild horizon.
Beyond not exactly seeing why the Lakers make this trade, I’m not sure why they’d be throwing in Ingram other than as a necessity for unloading Deng.
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I think he's trying to see if they can sign 2 FA and trade for LeBron, but that also doesn't make sense because other than LeBron and George, the FA class is pretty weak. Either way, Randle can't make enough money to accomplish this trade:
Base year compensation
Certain players in the first few months of a new contract are subject to base year compensation (BYC). The intent of BYC is to prevent teams from re-signing players to salaries specifically targeted to match other salaries in a trade (in other words, salary should be based on basketball value, not trade value). A BYC player's trade value as outgoing salary is 50% of his new salary, or his previous salary, whichever is greater. BYC applies only to players who re-sign with their previous team and receive a raise greater than 20%. It also applies only when (and as long as) the team is over the salary cap. Under the 2011 CBA, players subject to BYC cannot be traded before January 15 except in a sign-and-trade, and BYC is only applied to outgoing salary in sign-and-trade deals.[6]
So they'd either have to include Deng or sign Randle for $34 million, which is not possible given his years in the league (his max is $25,250,000).
To answer your general question, though, I think if the Lakers offered Deng, Ball, and Ingram for LeBron (he's already leaving), I think the Cavs for sure take that deal. So you don't even need to deal with Randle. The Cavs can flip Ball and Ingram for future picks if necessary while having a 5 year rebuild horizon.
Thanks. Good points
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I think he's trying to see if they can sign 2 FA and trade for LeBron, but that also doesn't make sense because other than LeBron and George, the FA class is pretty weak. Either way, Randle can't make enough money to accomplish this trade:
Base year compensation
Certain players in the first few months of a new contract are subject to base year compensation (BYC). The intent of BYC is to prevent teams from re-signing players to salaries specifically targeted to match other salaries in a trade (in other words, salary should be based on basketball value, not trade value). A BYC player's trade value as outgoing salary is 50% of his new salary, or his previous salary, whichever is greater. BYC applies only to players who re-sign with their previous team and receive a raise greater than 20%. It also applies only when (and as long as) the team is over the salary cap. Under the 2011 CBA, players subject to BYC cannot be traded before January 15 except in a sign-and-trade, and BYC is only applied to outgoing salary in sign-and-trade deals.[6]
So they'd either have to include Deng or sign Randle for $34 million, which is not possible given his years in the league (his max is $25,250,000).
To answer your general question, though, I think if the Lakers offered Deng, Ball, and Ingram for LeBron (he's already leaving), I think the Cavs for sure take that deal. So you don't even need to deal with Randle. The Cavs can flip Ball and Ingram for future picks if necessary while having a 5 year rebuild horizon.
Beyond not exactly seeing why the Lakers make this trade, I’m not sure why they’d be throwing in Ingram other than as a necessity for unloading Deng.
Lakers would want to give up minimal but also need enough to give to the Cavs in wanting to participate and help out Lebron
End of the day Lebron could just sign as a FA. We will see what happens. What he wants and how much Lakers are willing to bend. Better Lebron and Lakers to not skeleton the team but if Lebron will take nothing less than max(quicker the better due to age) and his dislike for Lavar could be key obstacles to overcome in order to bring him in
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I think he's trying to see if they can sign 2 FA and trade for LeBron, but that also doesn't make sense because other than LeBron and George, the FA class is pretty weak. Either way, Randle can't make enough money to accomplish this trade:
Base year compensation
Certain players in the first few months of a new contract are subject to base year compensation (BYC). The intent of BYC is to prevent teams from re-signing players to salaries specifically targeted to match other salaries in a trade (in other words, salary should be based on basketball value, not trade value). A BYC player's trade value as outgoing salary is 50% of his new salary, or his previous salary, whichever is greater. BYC applies only to players who re-sign with their previous team and receive a raise greater than 20%. It also applies only when (and as long as) the team is over the salary cap. Under the 2011 CBA, players subject to BYC cannot be traded before January 15 except in a sign-and-trade, and BYC is only applied to outgoing salary in sign-and-trade deals.[6]
So they'd either have to include Deng or sign Randle for $34 million, which is not possible given his years in the league (his max is $25,250,000).
To answer your general question, though, I think if the Lakers offered Deng, Ball, and Ingram for LeBron (he's already leaving), I think the Cavs for sure take that deal. So you don't even need to deal with Randle. The Cavs can flip Ball and Ingram for future picks if necessary while having a 5 year rebuild horizon.
Beyond not exactly seeing why the Lakers make this trade, I’m not sure why they’d be throwing in Ingram other than as a necessity for unloading Deng.
I'm only answering the question :) This is obviously a steal for the Cavs. If you're rebuilding, sitting Deng on the bench to get 2 free top prospects that you can either cultivate or trade is a no brainer. The D'Angelo Russell is the blueprint (and people thought it was a steal for the Nets). I don't think they need to give up 2 pieces, either. 1 is more than enough (Ball or Ingram).
If you're the Lakers, you're going to want to sign LeBron & George, and use all of your other assets (Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, picks, etc) to lure a Kahwi Leonard. Much better use of resources.
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Lavar might be the reason that Lebron DOESN'T go to LA
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I think he's trying to see if they can sign 2 FA and trade for LeBron, but that also doesn't make sense because other than LeBron and George, the FA class is pretty weak. Either way, Randle can't make enough money to accomplish this trade:
Base year compensation
Certain players in the first few months of a new contract are subject to base year compensation (BYC). The intent of BYC is to prevent teams from re-signing players to salaries specifically targeted to match other salaries in a trade (in other words, salary should be based on basketball value, not trade value). A BYC player's trade value as outgoing salary is 50% of his new salary, or his previous salary, whichever is greater. BYC applies only to players who re-sign with their previous team and receive a raise greater than 20%. It also applies only when (and as long as) the team is over the salary cap. Under the 2011 CBA, players subject to BYC cannot be traded before January 15 except in a sign-and-trade, and BYC is only applied to outgoing salary in sign-and-trade deals.[6]
So they'd either have to include Deng or sign Randle for $34 million, which is not possible given his years in the league (his max is $25,250,000).
To answer your general question, though, I think if the Lakers offered Deng, Ball, and Ingram for LeBron (he's already leaving), I think the Cavs for sure take that deal. So you don't even need to deal with Randle. The Cavs can flip Ball and Ingram for future picks if necessary while having a 5 year rebuild horizon.
Beyond not exactly seeing why the Lakers make this trade, I’m not sure why they’d be throwing in Ingram other than as a necessity for unloading Deng.
I'm only answering the question :) This is obviously a steal for the Cavs. If you're rebuilding, sitting Deng on the bench to get 2 free top prospects that you can either cultivate or trade is a no brainer. The D'Angelo Russell is the blueprint (and people thought it was a steal for the Nets). I don't think they need to give up 2 pieces, either. 1 is more than enough (Ball or Ingram).
If you're the Lakers, you're going to want to sign LeBron & George, and use all of your other assets (Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, picks, etc) to lure a Kahwi Leonard. Much better use of resources.
For sure. Again depends whats enough for the Cavs to help out Lebron. But going by your idea
To Cavs: Ball, Deng, 2018 25th pick
To Lakers: Lebron
To Spurs: Ingram, Randle, Kuzma, Hart
To Lakers: Leonard
The league would not want this to happen imo
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Lavar might be the reason that Lebron DOESN'T go to LA
Or Lebron kicks him out
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LeBron is gonna clean house. He'll want the Balls GONE from the face of the earth.
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I don't understand all these trade ideas. The Lakers as they stand can sign LeBron and someone else without trading anyone. If they want to get Deng's ridiculous contract off the books, they need to send him out with something. They could do that with Cleveland and have Cleveland send LeBron back. That makes sense but you don't need to match salaries. Just include enough to make it worth CLE's while.
As for trading for Leonard, I think they just sign George and call it a day. You will still need a bench so these young players the Lakers have are useful. No sense in sending them out to get Leonard when you can just sign Paul George.
In terms of other players, don't forget that Cousins and Chris Paul are free agents. I could see them both ending up on the Lakers. Everyone may have to take a little less than the max but I think they could make it work (or at least 3 of 4 if Deng is shipped out).
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I don't understand all these trade ideas. The Lakers as they stand can sign LeBron and someone else without trading anyone. If they want to get Deng's ridiculous contract off the books, they need to send him out with something. They could do that with Cleveland and have Cleveland send LeBron back. That makes sense but you don't need to match salaries. Just include enough to make it worth CLE's while.
As for trading for Leonard, I think they just sign George and call it a day. You will still need a bench so these young players the Lakers have are useful. No sense in sending them out to get Leonard when you can just sign Paul George.
In terms of other players, don't forget that Cousins and Chris Paul are free agents. I could see them both ending up on the Lakers. Everyone may have to take a little less than the max but I think they could make it work (or at least 3 of 4 if Deng is shipped out).
So what do you propose the Cavs will take back on top of Deng? 2018 25th pick wont be enough.
Remember they want to try to be below the cap , in this situation. In order to take back Deng, it will need to be worthwhile for them
What happens to Lonzo?
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I don't understand all these trade ideas. The Lakers as they stand can sign LeBron and someone else without trading anyone. If they want to get Deng's ridiculous contract off the books, they need to send him out with something. They could do that with Cleveland and have Cleveland send LeBron back. That makes sense but you don't need to match salaries. Just include enough to make it worth CLE's while.
As for trading for Leonard, I think they just sign George and call it a day. You will still need a bench so these young players the Lakers have are useful. No sense in sending them out to get Leonard when you can just sign Paul George.
In terms of other players, don't forget that Cousins and Chris Paul are free agents. I could see them both ending up on the Lakers. Everyone may have to take a little less than the max but I think they could make it work (or at least 3 of 4 if Deng is shipped out).
So what do you propose the Cavs will take back on top of Deng? 2018 25th pick wont be enough.
Remember they want to try to be below the cap , in this situation. In order to take back Deng, it will need to be worthwhile for them
What happens to Lonzo?
I don't know of course but you started by proposing Ball, Ingram, Randle. I think something less than that would do it. Maybe just Ingram OR Ball. Those are both really good prospects. Deng is a really bad contract though. I am sure the Lakers are going to try everything to move him with some combination of prospects to someone. It doesn't have to be Cleveland.
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I don't understand all these trade ideas. The Lakers as they stand can sign LeBron and someone else without trading anyone. If they want to get Deng's ridiculous contract off the books, they need to send him out with something. They could do that with Cleveland and have Cleveland send LeBron back. That makes sense but you don't need to match salaries. Just include enough to make it worth CLE's while.
As for trading for Leonard, I think they just sign George and call it a day. You will still need a bench so these young players the Lakers have are useful. No sense in sending them out to get Leonard when you can just sign Paul George.
In terms of other players, don't forget that Cousins and Chris Paul are free agents. I could see them both ending up on the Lakers. Everyone may have to take a little less than the max but I think they could make it work (or at least 3 of 4 if Deng is shipped out).
So what do you propose the Cavs will take back on top of Deng? 2018 25th pick wont be enough.
Remember they want to try to be below the cap , in this situation. In order to take back Deng, it will need to be worthwhile for them
What happens to Lonzo?
I don't know of course but you started by proposing Ball, Ingram, Randle. I think something less than that would do it. Maybe just Ingram OR Ball. Those are both really good prospects. Deng is a really bad contract though. I am sure the Lakers are going to try everything to move him with some combination of prospects to someone. It doesn't have to be Cleveland.
True. One of Ball or Ingram may just do. I guess for salary matching purpose I didnt think ahead
I mean does Cavs really want Deng? They rather get capspace....
There is not much incentive to trade for the Lakers outside of making Lebron happy (max quicker) and getting rid of Deng and Ball family (If its a condition Lebron has before joining)
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I don't understand all these trade ideas. The Lakers as they stand can sign LeBron and someone else without trading anyone. If they want to get Deng's ridiculous contract off the books, they need to send him out with something. They could do that with Cleveland and have Cleveland send LeBron back. That makes sense but you don't need to match salaries. Just include enough to make it worth CLE's while.
As for trading for Leonard, I think they just sign George and call it a day. You will still need a bench so these young players the Lakers have are useful. No sense in sending them out to get Leonard when you can just sign Paul George.
In terms of other players, don't forget that Cousins and Chris Paul are free agents. I could see them both ending up on the Lakers. Everyone may have to take a little less than the max but I think they could make it work (or at least 3 of 4 if Deng is shipped out).
Wow, imagine a lineup of CP3/PG13/LeBron/Cousins that team is winning a championship
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The league would not want this to happen imo
I think a lot of the teams involved in the trade you proposed would not want this to happen!
Teams are knocking over each other to get that Deng contract LOL
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The league would not want this to happen imo
I think a lot of the teams involved in the trade you proposed would not want this to happen!
Teams are knocking over each other to get that Deng contract LOL
Lol
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If I was Lakers fans I d wish Lavar would shut up , fall off the earth , i would just cringe having to bemaround this jerk off ....the more he talks , if Im Bron , it does not help me wanting to go there.
Bron is gonna HOG the ball, we absolutely know that , he i stalls the King James offense .....one which he controls 90 % of who , what , when , where the ball goes.....
THAT is exactly Lonzos best part of his game , comtroling the game, the flow , the ball,sitting up everybody .....
Lonzo takes a huge backsit to his game with L bron on the court . His numbers will die , his comtract worth plummets and Lavar goes nuts . ......he is living off his sons income ......it hurts Lavars pocket when Lonzo looses touches.
This may not work.
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Dont think Lebron would put up with Ball antics
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If I was Lakers fans I d wish Lavar would shut up , fall off the earth , i would just cringe having to bemaround this jerk off ....the more he talks , if Im Bron , it does not help me wanting to go there.
Bron is gonna HOG the ball, we absolutely know that , he i stalls the King James offense .....one which he controls 90 % of who , what , when , where the ball goes.....
THAT is exactly Lonzos best part of his game , comtroling the game, the flow , the ball,sitting up everybody .....
Lonzo takes a huge backsit to his game with L bron on the court . His numbers will die , his comtract worth plummets and Lavar goes nuts . ......he is living off his sons income ......it hurts Lavars pocket when Lonzo looses touches.
This may not work.
I have a good friend (since high school days) who is a Lakers fan, and I enjoy roasting him and taunting him 24/7 about Lonzo, LaVar and the Lakers in general being bad the last like 5-6 years :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
And trust me, he HATES LaVar and thinks Lonzo is super overrated (idk on the latter part, but he's certainly not a "transcendental talent" as some on here have said he could be).
If they do add Lebron though (or Kawhi), then welp. But I think the odds aren't as high as people think. Top-4 choice? Sure. Top choice? Doubt it.