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Calling All NBA Historians
« on: August 01, 2023, 12:53:16 AM »

Offline Ed Monix

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Currently the Celtics ‘true core’ is Tatum, Brown, Porzingis, White, Horford, Brogdon & Williams III. Out of this group, four are high injury risks.

Does anyone know if there’s a precedent of winning an NBA title when more than 50% of the core are injury prone?

I am sorry if this narrative sounds negative, I’m just curious.
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Re: Calling All NBA Historians
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2023, 01:43:54 AM »

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I think you would have to make a standard definition of both 'core players' and 'injury-prone' before the question could be answered.

Also, who is the 4th? Williams 3, Porzingis, Brogdon and...?
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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I think you would have to make a standard definition of both 'core players' and 'injury-prone' before the question could be answered.

I’d classify core as players that would get minutes in crunch time of important games.

By injury prone I mean a history of not playing 75% of the season due to injury.

who is the 4th? Williams 3, Porzingis, Brogdon and...?

Horford, as he hasn’t cracked 70 + games a season since he was 31. Even though last season he was (luckily) reasonably healthy, he still only played 63 regular season games due to niggling injuries.

I know Horford isn’t your classic injury prone guy. But given his history & advanced age, he’s not a guy you’d pencil in to be playing big minutes in the playoffs.
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Re: Calling All NBA Historians
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2023, 03:38:05 AM »

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I think you would have to make a standard definition of both 'core players' and 'injury-prone' before the question could be answered.

I’d classify core as players that would get minutes in crunch time of important games.

By injury prone I mean a history of not playing 75% of the season due to injury.

who is the 4th? Williams 3, Porzingis, Brogdon and...?

Horford, as he hasn’t cracked 70 + games a season since he was 31. Even though last season he was (luckily) reasonably healthy, he still only played 63 regular season games due to niggling injuries.

I know Horford isn’t your classic injury prone guy. But given his history & advanced age, he’s not a guy you’d pencil in to be playing big minutes in the playoffs.
75% of 82 games is 62 games, which Al hasn't played fewer than since he was benched by OKC, and seems to be a near-lock to hit at or above. Smart has only played 75% or more regular season games 1 of the last 4 seasons, same as Kristaps.
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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I think you would have to make a standard definition of both 'core players' and 'injury-prone' before the question could be answered.

I’d classify core as players that would get minutes in crunch time of important games.

By injury prone I mean a history of not playing 75% of the season due to injury.

who is the 4th? Williams 3, Porzingis, Brogdon and...?

Horford, as he hasn’t cracked 70 + games a season since he was 31. Even though last season he was (luckily) reasonably healthy, he still only played 63 regular season games due to niggling injuries.

I know Horford isn’t your classic injury prone guy. But given his history & advanced age, he’s not a guy you’d pencil in to be playing big minutes in the playoffs.

That's hardly a fair stat, he played 67/72 games in 2019-20 (on pace for 76 in a normal season).

Smart also hit the 75% mark in 2019-20 (54 games) with 60/72, and Prozingis barely eeked above it with 57/75 games played. Meanwhile Brogdan is just short of hitting 75% in 2019-20 with 54/73 games, but above it in 2020-21 with 56/72. Gotta remember that 2019-20 and 20-21 were short seasons (and 2019-20 can have wildly different games played depending on what team you played for), so it's not as simple as looking at raw games played

I would agree that Brogdan, Rob, and Porzingis are injury prone (while Al is just old), but I don't think the definition you have is a good way to define it, especially since you would need to consider the seasons after winning the chip as well. If someone had no injury issues until the season they won, but then started having them that year and continued to for the rest of their career, are they injury prone? They had no history of it at the time (or a minimal history of it like Kawhi). Ditto for having injury issues and then figuring them out the season they won the chip. On the bright side, though, there aren't that many championship teams to look through
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