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Re: Get rid of the 3 point line.
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2011, 07:21:07 PM »

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Eliminating the 3 point line in college basketball would result in an ugly, ugly product.  Probably one of the worst things you can do to the college game.

I still enjoy the pro game to the college game every day of the week but the 3 point shot is one of the things that brings excitement to college basketball.  The game is played differently and its an element that contributes to a huge amount of the entertainment value of watching colelge basketball. 


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Re: Get rid of the 3 point line.
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2011, 07:24:39 PM »

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I don't know a lot of players that can shoot 3 pointers but not mid range jumpers. I agree with cdif911's philosophy, and TP to him. Hard to believe most NBA players can "run but not walk" as far as shooting goes.

So on that note, I don't see a point in getting rid of the 3 point line just cause some college teams are good at it. Are there actually some college teams that can shoot from 3 but not from 15 feet?

Re: Get rid of the 3 point line.
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2011, 07:39:10 PM »

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So you're complaining about players adapting to playing with a three point line?

No complaining about players forgeting how to play basketball and just standing behind the 3 point line and chucking it.  All game every game.
But that's strategic basketball in college.  If you want to see more midrange you should suggest moving the line back, not erasing a cornerstone of today's game.
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Re: Get rid of the 3 point line.
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2011, 07:49:47 PM »

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I don't know a lot of players that can shoot 3 pointers but not mid range jumpers. I agree with cdif911's philosophy, and TP to him. Hard to believe most NBA players can "run but not walk" as far as shooting goes.

So on that note, I don't see a point in getting rid of the 3 point line just cause some college teams are good at it. Are there actually some college teams that can shoot from 3 but not from 15 feet?
Posey.  This year 64 of his 76 field goals are 3s (I believe).  His game is defense but he is capable of shooting the 3 at a decent percentage.

There's some guys that specialize at the 3 pointer to space the floor but don't take the midrange jumper even in the NBA.
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Re: Get rid of the 3 point line.
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2011, 07:55:25 PM »

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maybe the NCAA should just adopt international rules, which would help us in the olympics and prepare players to play team ball instead of iso's and excessive shot jacking.

On a side note, I think people would get into college ball even more if they could entice kids to stay in school. I remember growing up watching Ewing, Dikembe, Alonzo, Iverson, and yes, Jeff Green at Georgetown. All this one and done madness makes it too hard to follow college hoops without memorizing a Street & Smith's in the middle of August. I didn't even bother filling out a bracket this year for the first time since I was old enough to care. Lazy by me, but what's the point anymore? The only guys who stay in school pretty much are there because they either value their education or aren't good enough to go in the 1st round so they stay in and try to improve their stock.

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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2011, 07:57:55 PM »

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College has basically boiled down to 4 guys spreading the floor shooting 3's and maybe one big guy down low.  Watching the games today i think i saw 2 or 3 mid range jumpers all day. 

I don't think I saw one play ran.

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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2011, 07:58:40 PM »

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I don't know a lot of players that can shoot 3 pointers but not mid range jumpers. I agree with cdif911's philosophy, and TP to him. Hard to believe most NBA players can "run but not walk" as far as shooting goes.

So on that note, I don't see a point in getting rid of the 3 point line just cause some college teams are good at it. Are there actually some college teams that can shoot from 3 but not from 15 feet?
Posey.  This year 64 of his 76 field goals are 3s (I believe).  His game is defense but he is capable of shooting the 3 at a decent percentage.

There's some guys that specialize at the 3 pointer to space the floor but don't take the midrange jumper even in the NBA.

Well, I wanted you to tell me guys who could actually shoot 3's but CANNOT SHOOT mid-rangers. Considering 93% of Posey's FG attempts this season were considered jump shots, and he has a 46.5% effective FG% on those shots, I don't think he applies.

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People need to realize that when you go from watching the NBA all year and then just start watching college ball when the tournament comes around it's going to look worse.  There is a reason for that, the product is worse because they are college players and not professionals!
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Re: Get rid of the 3 point line.
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2011, 08:39:57 PM »

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I don't know a lot of players that can shoot 3 pointers but not mid range jumpers. I agree with cdif911's philosophy, and TP to him. Hard to believe most NBA players can "run but not walk" as far as shooting goes.

So on that note, I don't see a point in getting rid of the 3 point line just cause some college teams are good at it. Are there actually some college teams that can shoot from 3 but not from 15 feet?
Posey.  This year 64 of his 76 field goals are 3s (I believe).  His game is defense but he is capable of shooting the 3 at a decent percentage.

There's some guys that specialize at the 3 pointer to space the floor but don't take the midrange jumper even in the NBA.

Well, I wanted you to tell me guys who could actually shoot 3's but CANNOT SHOOT mid-rangers. Considering 93% of Posey's FG attempts this season were considered jump shots, and he has a 46.5% effective FG% on those shots, I don't think he applies.
It's about the efficiency of the shot.  Obviously Posey CAN hit midrange but he chooses not to because it's not worth it for him.  I'm sure there are at least some guys that would stop shooting altogether if they got rid of the 3 point line.
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Re: Get rid of the 3 point line.
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2011, 09:02:50 PM »

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I don't know a lot of players that can shoot 3 pointers but not mid range jumpers. I agree with cdif911's philosophy, and TP to him. Hard to believe most NBA players can "run but not walk" as far as shooting goes.

So on that note, I don't see a point in getting rid of the 3 point line just cause some college teams are good at it. Are there actually some college teams that can shoot from 3 but not from 15 feet?
Posey.  This year 64 of his 76 field goals are 3s (I believe).  His game is defense but he is capable of shooting the 3 at a decent percentage.

There's some guys that specialize at the 3 pointer to space the floor but don't take the midrange jumper even in the NBA.

Well, I wanted you to tell me guys who could actually shoot 3's but CANNOT SHOOT mid-rangers. Considering 93% of Posey's FG attempts this season were considered jump shots, and he has a 46.5% effective FG% on those shots, I don't think he applies.
It's about the efficiency of the shot.  Obviously Posey CAN hit midrange but he chooses not to because it's not worth it for him.  I'm sure there are at least some guys that would stop shooting altogether if they got rid of the 3 point line.
I'm not so sure about this comment...So you're saying if his team needs to score he passes it up unless he has a shot at a 3ptr? He would pass up an open midrange shot so he could jack a 3? Sorry, maybe I'm missing your point...

Re: Get rid of the 3 point line.
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2011, 09:14:12 PM »

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I don't know a lot of players that can shoot 3 pointers but not mid range jumpers. I agree with cdif911's philosophy, and TP to him. Hard to believe most NBA players can "run but not walk" as far as shooting goes.

So on that note, I don't see a point in getting rid of the 3 point line just cause some college teams are good at it. Are there actually some college teams that can shoot from 3 but not from 15 feet?
Posey.  This year 64 of his 76 field goals are 3s (I believe).  His game is defense but he is capable of shooting the 3 at a decent percentage.

There's some guys that specialize at the 3 pointer to space the floor but don't take the midrange jumper even in the NBA.

Well, I wanted you to tell me guys who could actually shoot 3's but CANNOT SHOOT mid-rangers. Considering 93% of Posey's FG attempts this season were considered jump shots, and he has a 46.5% effective FG% on those shots, I don't think he applies.
It's about the efficiency of the shot.  Obviously Posey CAN hit midrange but he chooses not to because it's not worth it for him.  I'm sure there are at least some guys that would stop shooting altogether if they got rid of the 3 point line.
I'm not so sure about this comment...So you're saying if his team needs to score he passes it up unless he has a shot at a 3ptr? He would pass up an open midrange shot so he could jack a 3? Sorry, maybe I'm missing your point...
I'm just saying he doesn't shoot 2s.  I'm pretty sure when he was here he shot better from 3 than he did from 12-23 feet.  If his team needs to score then he doesn't take the shot.  He's a defensive specialist who shoots almost all his jump shots behind the arc to space the floor.

And yes there are teams and players that pass up open jumpers and step back for the 3, PHO for instance.
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« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2011, 09:28:28 PM »

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Concerning Posey: if he had a choice of shooting from 22-ft out and scoring a 2 or scoring from 23-ft out and scoring a 3, i'm sure he would choose the 3. There's not much sense to shoot that long 2-pointer unless the shot clock was winding down, you catch it in rhythm, or you're a ballhog like Kobe.

it's not that players who shoot 3's cannot shoot midrange. it's that players wouldn't opt to take midrange because the 3 helps their team much more (either by spacing or by well, scoring 3 instead of 2). but the only example on my mind right now of someone who can shoot 3's and not 2's is Bruce Bowen.

Concerning OP: the 3-pt line doesn't destroy fundamentals. how about taking out dunks and flashy crossovers as well?
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Re: Get rid of the 3 point line.
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2011, 01:07:25 PM »

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I disagree but I do think they should push it back to the NBA level.  Earn your three

Re: Get rid of the 3 point line.
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2011, 01:24:09 PM »

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Re: Get rid of the 3 point line.
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2011, 02:37:15 PM »

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Yeah, I totally agree with you

To me i think the 60's and 70's are the best era in NBA history. All the players at that time had COMPLETE games. There were no designated type of players who had one type of skill. Players in those days would fill a stat line and were very versatile. Dunking was allowed, but if you made a lot during the game, they would take your legs out
The 3 pt line doesn’t allow players to develop other skills. You have a 2 time MVP in Lebron James who still has not developed a complete game. Has no mid-range, post up, can’t move without the ball, etc. His game is mostly relied upon his athleticism and ability to muscle his three pointers from nearly half court. He would not be able to do the things he does back then with players able to stay in the paint the entire game. The fact that so many people lack complete skills makes this era not as potent as the past

And for fans that think the game was boring or had no fast pace scoring are totally wrong. The average points per game were actually higher in the past then it was now

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/stats.html

Not a stat guy, but in the 1961-62 season teams scored an average of 118.8 ppg. While this season, teams are averaging 99.5 ppg

I think the NBA has drastically changed to a perimeter-oriented game, which I think slows the game down. In a half court system, instead of moving without the ball, players instead camp behind the 3 point line and make the point guard stand at the top of the key while seconds go off the clock. No movement means the defense are more set, which in turn creates empty trips with players throwing up prayers at the end of the shot clock. For example, it takes way more time to set up a 3 pt play for Ray Allen then it does for Rondo to drive the ball in the teeth of a defense to score or create an easy bucket for someone else