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Would you give Tatum a 30% max contract?
« on: September 28, 2020, 11:15:47 AM »

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He is in line to make 37 million 2021-2022 season and 5 year total worth approx 217 million

Brown on the flip side is making 23 million per season (for the next 3-4 years)

Yet the gap between these two players game is minor.

We also heard recently Danny on Toucher and Rich, pause for a sec when asked who is considered the "closer" for the team.  And he stated Tatum is as close as we have.   It didn't sound too assuring

So at the end of the day,  do the Celts play hardball with Tatum and ask for a hometown discount?   They have already with Smart and Brown (and it worked).

Does he instead get offended (like Kemba) and ask for a trade out of town?




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Re: Does it make sense and would you give Tatum a supermax contract?
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2020, 11:19:00 AM »

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Where are you getting those numbers from?
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Re: Does it make sense and would you give Tatum a supermax contract?
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2020, 11:25:19 AM »

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Quote from: Roy H. on September 28, 2020, 11:19:00 AM
Where are you getting those numbers from?

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/celtics-roster-reset-state-cs-heading-offseason

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Expect Jayson Tatum to earn a big-money contract extension this offseason after his All-Star campaign. The 22-year-old is now eligible for a "Super Max" extension after his All-NBA nod. That means he can sign a five-year extension that could pay him up to 30 percent of the salary cap.

The first year of Tatum’s "Super Max" deal would be worth $37.5 million. The total five-year package would be worth $217.5 million. For comparison sake, Golden State Warriors star Stephen Curry and Houston Rockets star James Harden both are currently playing on Super Max deals.
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2020, 11:27:08 AM »

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Because he is coming off his rookie contract and not his 2nd contract, he is only eligible to make 30% on his next contract, not 35%. Typically guys coming off of their rookie contracts can expect to make 25%, but there are incentives to push that number up to 30% (like an All-NBA Team selection).

Siakam, for example, will be getting the 28% max because he made 2nd Team All-NBA, but could have been at 29% had he made 1st Team. With Tatum, perhaps we could get him to lock-in that 5th year (no player option) with a full 30% guarantee, but I think we can expect something similar to Siakam, but with a player option for year 5.

Edit: I see you actually sourced your information from a somewhat reliable website. I guess I could be totally off here, but I really didn't think I was.
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I think they’re mixing up the Supermax and a Derrick Rose rule extension.

30% of the current salary cap is roughly $32 million.

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Re: Does it make sense and would you give Tatum a supermax contract?
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Tatum is a max player. If we’re willing to pay Hayward 30-35M, I don’t see why we don’t pay Tatum.
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Quote from: Roy H. on September 28, 2020, 11:29:29 AM
I think they’re mixing up the Supermax and a Derrick Rose rule extension.

30% of the current salary cap is roughly $32 million.

lets say 32 to 37 million range

Does Tatum deserve such pay over Brown?

Does he get the keys to the car?

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Quote from: LilRip on September 28, 2020, 11:31:11 AM
Tatum is a max player. If we’re willing to pay Hayward 30-35M, I don’t see why we don’t pay Tatum.

Yet Brown was negotiated for a hometown discount?? (23 million per season)

If you put a gun to Ainge head to trade one of Brown or Tatum.  I feel like he keeps Brown over Tatum
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2020, 11:33:50 AM »

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They didn't play hardball with Brown.  Jaylen was coming off of a tumultuous season and the contract was considered a gamble at the time.  It does appear that it will pay off for us, but there was no hometown discount there. 

Same with Smart.  This was a dude whose offense was nearly unplayable at the time he signed his extension.  It looks like a steal now because he made significant improvements to his game.  But at the time, it wasn't a discount by any stretch. 

Tatum is a much better player now than either Brown or Smart were when they signed, and as a result he has much more leverage.  He'll get the max.
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Quote from: Tr1boy on September 28, 2020, 11:32:18 AM
Quote from: Roy H. on September 28, 2020, 11:29:29 AM
I think they’re mixing up the Supermax and a Derrick Rose rule extension.

30% of the current salary cap is roughly $32 million.


lets say 32 to 37 million range

Does Tatum deserve such pay over Brown?

Does he get the keys to the car?

Of course he does.  It’s not Tatum’s fault that Brown is outplaying his deal.
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Re: Does it make sense and would you give Tatum a supermax contract?
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I don't really have an answer, but yeah, the Celtics are in a little bit of a pickle here.

The Super max is A LOT of money, but if we indeed not give him the super max and just offered him the normal maximum contract, will he take offense to it.

Kind of glad I'm not Danny Ainge on this one.
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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2020, 11:37:21 AM »

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Quote from: Tr1boy on September 28, 2020, 11:32:18 AM
Quote from: Roy H. on September 28, 2020, 11:29:29 AM
I think they’re mixing up the Supermax and a Derrick Rose rule extension.

30% of the current salary cap is roughly $32 million.

lets say 32 to 37 million range

Does Tatum deserve such pay over Brown?

Does he get the keys to the car?

He's an All-Star, All-NBA player. You have to max him at this point, there's no reason for him to take a paycut and if you let him go to restricted free agency, he's going to get a max offer sheet. But usually when you make a guy go out into the market, it ends up straining the relationship with the player and the front office. Tatum is going to get paid, I don't see a valid reason why we shouldn't be the team to pay him.

As far as Brown, at the time of his extension, he was coming off a much more murky season. He's played his way into being worth it, but that contract was about hoping he'd meet his potential. If he was up for an extension now, he'd be in the conversation for a max.
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Re: Does it make sense and would you give Tatum a supermax contract?
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2020, 11:40:37 AM »

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Jaylen Brown's contract is actually 4yr/$107M with All-NBA incentives pushing it to a possible $115M. That comes out to about $27M/yr (at least), not $23M.

And the question w/ Tatum is not should we pay him the max or should we trade him because it is too much money. It's, please Jayson, please accept our max extension to remain a member of the Boston Celtics. 29 other teams in the NBA would kill for the ability to offer Tatum a max extension.
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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2020, 11:43:21 AM »

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Quote from: RJ87 on September 28, 2020, 11:37:21 AM
Quote from: Tr1boy on September 28, 2020, 11:32:18 AM
Quote from: Roy H. on September 28, 2020, 11:29:29 AM
I think they’re mixing up the Supermax and a Derrick Rose rule extension.

30% of the current salary cap is roughly $32 million.

lets say 32 to 37 million range

Does Tatum deserve such pay over Brown?

Does he get the keys to the car?

He's an All-Star, All-NBA player. You have to max him at this point, there's no reason for him to take a paycut and if you let him go to restricted free agency, he's going to get a max offer sheet. But usually when you make a guy go out into the market, it ends up straining the relationship with the player and the front office. Tatum is going to get paid, I don't see a valid reason why we shouldn't be the team to pay him.

As far as Brown, at the time of his extension, he was coming off a much more murky season. He's played his way into being worth it, but that contract was about hoping he'd meet his potential. If he was up for an extension now, he'd be in the conversation for a max.

But thats the thing. Max and supermax are two different things

Does Ainge have to give Tatum the supermax?  the answer is no

And other teams can offersheet him but only max....

If I was Brown,  I wouldn't be happy if Celts gave Tatum the supermax.  Because the gap is minor... if none. Since Brown is the better defender.  You are announcing that this is Tatum team.  Yet I'm just as good

This is not Curry vs Thompson. Because Curry is clearly more talented even if Thompson is a better two way player
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2020, 11:45:59 AM »

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If I was Tatum I wouldn't accept anything less than the supermax. If Ainge didn't give it, I'd leave.

Tatum is a supermax player everywhere else in the league -- would be considered a supermax level player by every other team in the league.

If my team (Boston), didn't view me that same way that others would. I'd take it as a huge insult.

Ainge can play hardball if he likes but how successful he is with it will depend on Tatum and Tatum's ego. If it was me, it would stop me from re-signing with the Celtics.
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