Seeking some long-term peace with the Gordon Hayward case

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

GH is not even close to being the worst max contract of all time.

I don't even think he's in the top 10 worst max contracts of all time.

When I think of "worst max contracts," I don't think of guys who end up injured, because it's usually not their fault that they get injured. The exception to this is if a team gives a max deal to a guy who's already been injury prone, which isn't the case with Hayward, and which is totally on the team for doing something foolish.

I think of "worst max contracts" as those given to guys who haven't really proven themselves—having maybe only one or two good seasons before getting the max deal—then ending up regressing.

[ozgod]

GH is not even close to being the worst max contract of all time.

I don't even think he's in the top 10 worst max contracts of all time.

When I think of "worst max contracts," I don't think of guys who end up injured, because it's usually not their fault that they get injured. The exception to this is if a team gives a max deal to a guy who's already been injury prone, which isn't the case with Hayward, and which is totally on the team for doing something foolish.

I think of "worst max contracts" as those given to guys who haven't really proven themselves—having maybe only one or two good seasons before getting the max deal—then ending up regressing.

I agree. The word "worst" connotates a bust. Probably a more encompassing term would be "contracts that delivered the least return on investment". That would cover everything from bad GM decisions, injuries, loss of form, death, etc. I'm guessing this definition is what Androslav was using, but even so I don't think Gordon is anywhere near the top 10. I don't think you can gauge worst ever when the contract isn't even half completed. If he turns it around and becomes an All Star the next two years and helps deliver a championship to us we'll all look silly calling his contract the worst ever prior to it even being completed.

[mctyson]

I am very torn on Gordons season like we all are.
We are bouncing between hoping, doubting, cheering and giving up when we see him go high to low from game to game. 30 pts then 2, a string of good games then an ankle tweak.

Being 100% honest, up to this point he is probably the worst Max contract of all time if we take account his production.
(Parsons and Washingtons both Arenas and Wall, whose deal is just starting, are strong contenders for the title)
Last year - no production, both reg. season and playoffs.
This year - unreliable production, we don't know what will he become in the playoffs.
That's basically 1,5/4 years down the drain.

So what is the most similar case to Gordons?
We are looking for an ex-all-star wing, 27-28 years old, with a severe ankle injury, that's versatile, smart, can be described as a good kid, and has signed a huge contract prior to the injury. Oh, and he should have the same initials.

Grant Hill, fits all of the criteria.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hillgr01.html
He had a disastrous career in Orlando, but after some tough years, he managed to return to the starter level of performance. Not an all-star level, but still a solid player up to the unexpected age of 38.

If Gordon's destiny is to be that guy, I could emotionally reconcile with that. It was one hell of an injury, after all, we didn't get the All-star we hoped we would, but still, he came back and gave us something.

I still hope that he will get to that higher level just like he did tonight versus the Warriors.
Hope is still there. Consolation scenario is written, shared and saved to a folder, in case there is a need.

Excellent comparison and I could live with that outcome.

[bopna]

GH is not even close to being the worst max contract of all time.

I don't even think he's in the top 10 worst max contracts of all time.

Name me 10 then... And I mean max contracts handed to them .

[philr13]

GH is not even close to being the worst max contract of all time.

I don't even think he's in the top 10 worst max contracts of all time.

Name me 10 then... And I mean max contracts handed to them .

Really? You think it's a bad signing because the guy broke his leg?

[gouki88]

GH is not even close to being the worst max contract of all time.

I don't even think he's in the top 10 worst max contracts of all time.

Name me 10 then... And I mean max contracts handed to them .

Really? You think it's a bad signing because the guy broke his leg?

You get used to his nonsensical Hayward takes.

[ozgod]

GH is not even close to being the worst max contract of all time.

I don't even think he's in the top 10 worst max contracts of all time.

Name me 10 then... And I mean max contracts handed to them .

In no particular order

1. Chandler Parsons
2. Joakim Noah
3. Stephon Marbury
4. Allan Houston (they had to change the CBA due to his contract)
5. Rashard Lewis
6. Gilbert Arenas (though his technically wasn't a max)
7. Penny Hardaway
8. Chris Bosh
9. Grant Hill
10. Brandon Roy

I'm excluding Wall because his contract is just starting and like Gordon it's not fair to judge how bad it could be till it's finished. Some of the above (Penny, Bosh, Hill, Roy were due to injuries but I left them there because the contracts had finished and you can accurately reflect return on investment.

Also the Arenas contract technically isn't a max, but it's close enough that I included it.

On another note, good to see you back, you tend to only show up when Gordon has a bad game. 

[Fierce1]

The main problem with Hayward is the Celts have too many wing players or players 6-6 to 6-8 in height.

It's having too many of the same kind.

I truly believe that the Celts must only keep 2 out of 3 among Tatum, Brown, and Hayward.

Right now it's very clear Brown and Hayward are fighting for minutes and shot attempts.

Hopefully once Ainge trades for AD the situation will be resolved.

[ozgod]

The main problem with Hayward is the Celts have too many wing players or players 6-6 to 6-8 in height.

It's having too many of the same kind.

I truly believe that the Celts must only keep 2 out of 3 among Tatum, Brown, and Hayward.

Right now it's very clear Brown and Hayward are fighting for minutes and shot attempts.

Hopefully once Ainge trades for AD the situation will be resolved.

So you're keeping Mook?

[Fierce1]

The main problem with Hayward is the Celts have too many wing players or players 6-6 to 6-8 in height.

It's having too many of the same kind.

I truly believe that the Celts must only keep 2 out of 3 among Tatum, Brown, and Hayward.

Right now it's very clear Brown and Hayward are fighting for minutes and shot attempts.

Hopefully once Ainge trades for AD the situation will be resolved.

So you're keeping Mook?

It will depend on the price.

If the price is right, I think Mook is worth keeping.

[Androslav]

The main problem with Hayward is the Celts have too many wing players or players 6-6 to 6-8 in height.

It's having too many of the same kind.

I truly believe that the Celts must only keep 2 out of 3 among Tatum, Brown, and Hayward.

Right now it's very clear Brown and Hayward are fighting for minutes and shot attempts.

Hopefully once Ainge trades for AD the situation will be resolved.

There is an old ironic Montenegrin saying:
"The time has come when it is better to have than not to have."

[knuckleballer]

GH is not even close to being the worst max contract of all time.

I don't even think he's in the top 10 worst max contracts of all time.

Name me 10 then... And I mean max contracts handed to them .

In no particular order

1. Chandler Parsons
2. Joakim Noah
3. Stephon Marbury
4. Allan Houston (they had to change the CBA due to his contract)
5. Rashard Lewis
6. Gilbert Arenas (though his technically wasn't a max)
7. Penny Hardaway
8. Chris Bosh
9. Grant Hill
10. Brandon Roy

I'm excluding Wall because his contract is just starting and like Gordon it's not fair to judge how bad it could be till it's finished. Some of the above (Penny, Bosh, Hill, Roy were due to injuries but I left them there because the contracts had finished and you can accurately reflect return on investment.

Also the Arenas contract technically isn't a max, but it's close enough that I included it.

On another note, good to see you back, you tend to only show up when Gordon has a bad game. 

A special shout out to Eddy Curry who ballooned up to 350 pounds while under a huge contract with the Knicks.

[Androslav]

GH is not even close to being the worst max contract of all time.

I don't even think he's in the top 10 worst max contracts of all time.

Name me 10 then... And I mean max contracts handed to them .

In no particular order

1. Chandler Parsons
2. Joakim Noah
3. Stephon Marbury
4. Allan Houston (they had to change the CBA due to his contract)
5. Rashard Lewis
6. Gilbert Arenas (though his technically wasn't a max)
7. Penny Hardaway
8. Chris Bosh
9. Grant Hill
10. Brandon Roy

I'm excluding Wall because his contract is just starting and like Gordon it's not fair to judge how bad it could be till it's finished. Some of the above (Penny, Bosh, Hill, Roy were due to injuries but I left them there because the contracts had finished and you can accurately reflect return on investment.

Also the Arenas contract technically isn't a max, but it's close enough that I included it.

On another note, good to see you back, you tend to only show up when Gordon has a bad game. 

Eastern conference dominated list.
Another proof that Western GMs have been schooling Eastern GMs for years.

[Fierce1]

The main problem with Hayward is the Celts have too many wing players or players 6-6 to 6-8 in height.

It's having too many of the same kind.

I truly believe that the Celts must only keep 2 out of 3 among Tatum, Brown, and Hayward.

Right now it's very clear Brown and Hayward are fighting for minutes and shot attempts.

Hopefully once Ainge trades for AD the situation will be resolved.

There is an old ironic Montenegrin saying:
"The time has come when it is better to have than not to have."

Celts were "not to have" Hayward last season and the Celts had a better record and went to the east finals.

This season the Celts is supposed to be better because they have Hayward.
It turned out not to be the case.

What's worse is it's affecting Jaylen Brown.

[Androslav]

The main problem with Hayward is the Celts have too many wing players or players 6-6 to 6-8 in height.

It's having too many of the same kind.

I truly believe that the Celts must only keep 2 out of 3 among Tatum, Brown, and Hayward.

Right now it's very clear Brown and Hayward are fighting for minutes and shot attempts.

Hopefully once Ainge trades for AD the situation will be resolved.

There is an old ironic Montenegrin saying:
"The time has come when it is better to have than not to have."

Celts were "not to have" Hayward last season and the Celts had a better record and went to the east finals.

This season the Celts is supposed to be better because they have Hayward.
It turned out not to be the case.

What's worse is it's affecting Jaylen Brown.

That's a short-term POV. Growing pains let's say, nothing definitive or beyond repair.
I'd still have 2 meals, weeks of vacation or cars rather than 1.
Ok, maybe I'd rather have just 1 car, but you know what I mean.