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http://m.espn.go.com/extra/boxing/story?storyId=11669125
He thinks it will happen
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It should've happened 5 years ago. It would've been surreal to have it in 2009 or so.
Still, a Pacman-Mayweather fight would be absolutely great for boxing even in 2015.
I have my doubts about it happening. I mean, who wouldn't after all these years? Also, seen enough slippage from Pacman that I'm not sure he could hold his own against Mayweather now. Still, its something I would relish to see.
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Well, turns out there was a thread about this.
There's seriously no excuse for Floyd to not make this fight. Money is there, Pac is willing to take and do whatever his camp wants them, it's really on May's ball now if this fight is going to happen or not.
I believe he's ducking.
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I take all of their words with a grain of salt. Too many egos that prevents the fight from happening.
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I take all of their words with a grain of salt. Too many egos that prevents the fight from happening.
Agree.
There's Arum over May, May over Pac, Pac over May.
Too many cooks in the kitchen, really. Why can't they really just co-promote? There's SO MUCH money involved here, they can't figure that out?
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Floyd is ducking Manny. Period.
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Floyd is ducking Manny. Period.
I agree.
This should be an easy fight to book if he really wants this fight.
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For some reasons Top Rank and Golden Boy stopped working with each other. Not just pac-may. I remember the supposed to be superfight in the bantamweight division between Mares and Donaire because of promotion disputes.
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If Floyd really thinks that he can beat Manny, he would've agreed to the fight YEEEEAAARRSS ago.
But he's afraid to get a number on his loss column.
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If Floyd really thinks that he can beat Manny, he would've agreed to the fight YEEEEAAARRSS ago.
But he's afraid to get a number on his loss column.
That's what I think. He keeps thinking this is just a money grab for Manny. I mean of course there's money involved, but Jesus Christ, if Floyd with still be able to earn about $50 million on a 50/50 share, BEFORE THE PPV splits, is it really a problem for him that Manny would earn the same?
Manny also draws. He filled up the Cowboy Stadium against Joshua Clottey on a boring fight. I don't get as to why he doesnt want to give him a solid split of the purse. Oh, and Manny is on the record that he's willing to take less money, and for Mayweather, he keeps pushing this reason.
It's not the money, it's that dreaded 1 on that loss column. Pacquiao is and will be his BIGGEST threat and he knows it.
For some reasons Top Rank and Golden Boy stopped working with each other. Not just pac-may. I remember the supposed to be superfight in the bantamweight division between Mares and Donaire because of promotion disputes.
I've read that Arum is in talks with CBS execs. I'm not sure how it went down. Would need to win more.
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If Floyd really thinks that he can beat Manny, he would've agreed to the fight YEEEEAAARRSS ago.
But he's afraid to get a number on his loss column.
That's what I think. He keeps thinking this is just a money grab for Manny. I mean of course there's money involved, but Jesus Christ, if Floyd with still be able to earn about $50 million on a 50/50 share, BEFORE THE PPV splits, is it really a problem for him that Manny would earn the same?
Manny also draws. He filled up the Cowboy Stadium against Joshua Clottey on a boring fight. I don't get as to why he doesnt want to give him a solid split of the purse. Oh, and Manny is on the record that he's willing to take less money, and for Mayweather, he keeps pushing this reason.
It's not the money, it's that dreaded 1 on that loss column. Pacquiao is and will be his BIGGEST threat and he knows it.
For some reasons Top Rank and Golden Boy stopped working with each other. Not just pac-may. I remember the supposed to be superfight in the bantamweight division between Mares and Donaire because of promotion disputes.
I've read that Arum is in talks with CBS execs. I'm not sure how it went down. Would need to win more.
I absolutely agree with that. Mayweather does not want a loss on his record. This fight should have happened at least 5 years ago. It's too bad because it would have been a great event and great for the sport. And I think it would have improved his legacy as I'm pretty confidant he would beat Pacquiao.
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SportCenter's Facebook page just posted this as a breaking news.
I can't see any links but, this is ESPN, so take it for what it's worth.
https://www.facebook.com/SportsCenter/photos/a.166942843324566.37299.147262525292598/1067862646565910/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/SportsCenter/photos/a.166942843324566.37299.147262525292598/1067862646565910/?type=1&theater)
Edit:
Here's the ESPN page.
http://espn.go.com/boxing/ (http://espn.go.com/boxing/)
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Kentucky Derby, playoff hockey, & Mayweather-Paquaio.
Gonna be one heckuva sports day.
Fight should've been 5-6 years ago but still going to be something special to watch. I'm a Pacman guy but have always felt that Mayweather was/is the better fighter. My initial feeling is Mayweather by decision.
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Kentucky Derby, playoff hockey, & Mayweather-Paquaio.
Gonna be one heckuva sports day.
Fight should've been 5-6 years ago but still going to be something special to watch. I'm a Pacman guy but have always felt that Mayweather was/is the better fighter. My initial feeling is Mayweather by decision.
Both fighters still looks like they are at the top of their game. If anything, all we lost from 5 years of waiting is a little bit of hype, since Floyd didn't want to fight Manny when he was white hot and Manny went to sleep against Marquez.
But from the previous fights of both men, it looks like they still are the best of the best, pound for pound. Should be worth the wait.
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Kentucky Derby, playoff hockey, & Mayweather-Paquaio.
Gonna be one heckuva sports day.
Fight should've been 5-6 years ago but still going to be something special to watch. I'm a Pacman guy but have always felt that Mayweather was/is the better fighter. My initial feeling is Mayweather by decision.
Both fighters still looks like they are at the top of their game. If anything, all we lost from 5 years of waiting is a little bit of hype, since Floyd didn't want to fight Manny when he was white hot and Manny went to sleep against Marquez.
But from the previous fights of both men, it looks like they still are the best of the best, pound for pound. Should be worth the wait.
I think that a few years ago, Manny would have had a great shot. At this stage of their careers, though, I think that Mayweather is going to kill him.
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My heart says Pacquiao. I would not want anything more than for Pacman to hand Mayweather his first loss. I think Mayweather wins easily though. In Pacman's prime, it's a toss up.
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Here we go again...... Call me when the fight is officially announced.
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Kentucky Derby, playoff hockey, & Mayweather-Paquaio.
Gonna be one heckuva sports day.
Fight should've been 5-6 years ago but still going to be something special to watch. I'm a Pacman guy but have always felt that Mayweather was/is the better fighter. My initial feeling is Mayweather by decision.
Both fighters still looks like they are at the top of their game. If anything, all we lost from 5 years of waiting is a little bit of hype, since Floyd didn't want to fight Manny when he was white hot and Manny went to sleep against Marquez.
But from the previous fights of both men, it looks like they still are the best of the best, pound for pound. Should be worth the wait.
I think that a few years ago, Manny would have had a great shot. At this stage of their careers, though, I think that Mayweather is going to kill him.
This is how I kinda see it too (minus the "kill" part). I think late 2000s/early 2010 Manny wins. Anything before, say 2008, I think Mayweather wins. Anything since about Marquez/Pacman III, I think Mayweather wins again.
Pacman has bounced back nicely from the Bradley/Marquez debacles but Mayweather continues to be as technically sound as they come. Mayweather has slipped but I think it's less noticeable than what we've seen out of Pacman the past couple of years.
One thing I can guarantee, though, is that both of them are going to train their butts off for this fight and I expect to see the best out of them.
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Kentucky Derby, playoff hockey, & Mayweather-Paquaio.
Gonna be one heckuva sports day.
Fight should've been 5-6 years ago but still going to be something special to watch. I'm a Pacman guy but have always felt that Mayweather was/is the better fighter. My initial feeling is Mayweather by decision.
Both fighters still looks like they are at the top of their game. If anything, all we lost from 5 years of waiting is a little bit of hype, since Floyd didn't want to fight Manny when he was white hot and Manny went to sleep against Marquez.
But from the previous fights of both men, it looks like they still are the best of the best, pound for pound. Should be worth the wait.
I think that a few years ago, Manny would have had a great shot. At this stage of their careers, though, I think that Mayweather is going to kill him.
I disagree.
And that's no bias. There's a reason Floyd ducked Manny for 5 years. And Manny looks like he hasn't lost his hand speed and is still showing that tough chin.
Manny will put Floyd down, maybe not to sleep, but Floyd will kiss the canvas.
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Kentucky Derby, playoff hockey, & Mayweather-Paquaio.
Gonna be one heckuva sports day.
Fight should've been 5-6 years ago but still going to be something special to watch. I'm a Pacman guy but have always felt that Mayweather was/is the better fighter. My initial feeling is Mayweather by decision.
Both fighters still looks like they are at the top of their game. If anything, all we lost from 5 years of waiting is a little bit of hype, since Floyd didn't want to fight Manny when he was white hot and Manny went to sleep against Marquez.
But from the previous fights of both men, it looks like they still are the best of the best, pound for pound. Should be worth the wait.
I think that a few years ago, Manny would have had a great shot. At this stage of their careers, though, I think that Mayweather is going to kill him.
I disagree.
And that's no bias. There's a reason Floyd ducked Manny for 5 years. And Manny looks like he hasn't lost his hand speed and is still showing that tough chin.
Manny will put Floyd down, maybe not to sleep, but Floyd will kiss the canvas.
I don't know, man. Pacman hasn't knocked somebody out in five or six years, and he's lost twice since the Mayweather hype began. (Granted, only one of those losses was legit.)
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Kentucky Derby, playoff hockey, & Mayweather-Paquaio.
Gonna be one heckuva sports day.
Fight should've been 5-6 years ago but still going to be something special to watch. I'm a Pacman guy but have always felt that Mayweather was/is the better fighter. My initial feeling is Mayweather by decision.
Both fighters still looks like they are at the top of their game. If anything, all we lost from 5 years of waiting is a little bit of hype, since Floyd didn't want to fight Manny when he was white hot and Manny went to sleep against Marquez.
But from the previous fights of both men, it looks like they still are the best of the best, pound for pound. Should be worth the wait.
I think that a few years ago, Manny would have had a great shot. At this stage of their careers, though, I think that Mayweather is going to kill him.
I disagree.
And that's no bias. There's a reason Floyd ducked Manny for 5 years. And Manny looks like he hasn't lost his hand speed and is still showing that tough chin.
Manny will put Floyd down, maybe not to sleep, but Floyd will kiss the canvas.
I don't know, man. Pacman hasn't knocked somebody out in five or six years, and he's lost twice since the Mayweather hype began. (Granted, only one of those losses was legit.)
And that legit loss was caused by being too careless, he was, in your own words, killing Marquez until he landed that beautiful counter.
He has been careful ever since. And sure, the power may not be there anymore, but looking at his last three fights, c'mon. Timothy Bradley was eating gloves, Chris Algieri was eating gloves. Those two have strong chins. I don't know if Floyd has a tougher chin than the other two that Manny fought last...
And Manny will go all out on this. He won't be the careful Manny that was what we saw in the last three fights. He's going to go back to reckless, yet entertaining Manny. This is could be LAST fight, could be his last payday (big one at that), I doubt he's going to hold back.
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Pacquiao has showed that he can outbox his opponent. Let's see if he can be the old pac with aggressive approach, barraging Floyd with thousand punches. Key to victory for Pac is to outwork him. Floyd have a very good accuracy but he doesn't really throw many volumes like Pac.
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Pacquiao has showed that he can outbox his opponent. Let's see if he can be the old pac with aggressive approach, barraging Floyd with thousand punches. Key to victory for Pac is to outwork him. Floyd have a very good accuracy but he doesn't really throw many volumes like Pac.
Agree here.
I think we're going to see the old Pac a bit, where he's just very aggressive, and would be willing to take a few counter punches just so he can move forward launch a ton of punches.
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Kentucky Derby, playoff hockey, & Mayweather-Paquaio.
Gonna be one heckuva sports day.
Fight should've been 5-6 years ago but still going to be something special to watch. I'm a Pacman guy but have always felt that Mayweather was/is the better fighter. My initial feeling is Mayweather by decision.
Both fighters still looks like they are at the top of their game. If anything, all we lost from 5 years of waiting is a little bit of hype, since Floyd didn't want to fight Manny when he was white hot and Manny went to sleep against Marquez.
But from the previous fights of both men, it looks like they still are the best of the best, pound for pound. Should be worth the wait.
I think that a few years ago, Manny would have had a great shot. At this stage of their careers, though, I think that Mayweather is going to kill him.
I disagree.
And that's no bias. There's a reason Floyd ducked Manny for 5 years. And Manny looks like he hasn't lost his hand speed and is still showing that tough chin.
Manny will put Floyd down, maybe not to sleep, but Floyd will kiss the canvas.
I don't know, man. Pacman hasn't knocked somebody out in five or six years, and he's lost twice since the Mayweather hype began. (Granted, only one of those losses was legit.)
And that legit loss was caused by being too careless, he was, in your own words, killing Marquez until he landed that beautiful counter.
He has been careful ever since. And sure, the power may not be there anymore, but looking at his last three fights, c'mon. Timothy Bradley was eating gloves, Chris Algieri was eating gloves. Those two have strong chins. I don't know if Floyd has a tougher chin than the other two that Manny fought last...
And Manny will go all out on this. He won't be the careful Manny that was what we saw in the last three fights. He's going to go back to reckless, yet entertaining Manny. This is could be LAST fight, could be his last payday (big one at that), I doubt he's going to hold back.
I hope you're right.
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The thing is neither Algeri nor Bradley packed power in their punches. Those two are feather-fisted to hurt Pac. Bradley really have a bad conditioning issues. It's clear that he was gassed out in their second fight.
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It would have been nice to have the fight before Pac-man started getting so involved in politics and other distractions. Granted, the Congress in the Philippines really doesn't do anything except grandstand, but still.
But I'll leave the analysis to people who actually know something about boxing.
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It would have been nice to have the fight before Pac-man started getting so involved in politics and other distractions. Granted, the Congress in the Philippines really doesn't do anything except grandstand, but still.
But I'll leave the analysis to people who actually know something about boxing.
I can't trust those so called analyst just like people here take ESPN guys as a joke.
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The thing is neither Algeri nor Bradley packed power in their punches. Those two are feather-fisted to hurt Pac. Bradley really have a bad conditioning issues. It's clear that he was gassed out in their second fight.
But Floyd isn't known to be having any sort of power in his punches either.
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The thing is neither Algeri nor Bradley packed power in their punches. Those two are feather-fisted to hurt Pac. Bradley really have a bad conditioning issues. It's clear that he was gassed out in their second fight.
But Floyd isn't known to be having any sort of power in his punches either.
Nah. He used to be stopping opponents earlier in his career. He have more recent KO win compared to Pac whom the last KO win was back in 2009 against Cotto. He may not have a one-punch KO power, but they definitely hurt. Cotto was also hurt during their fight.
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The thing is neither Algeri nor Bradley packed power in their punches. Those two are feather-fisted to hurt Pac. Bradley really have a bad conditioning issues. It's clear that he was gassed out in their second fight.
But Floyd isn't known to be having any sort of power in his punches either.
Nah. He used to be stopping opponents earlier in his career. He have more recent KO win compared to Pac whom the last KO win was back in 2009 against Cotto. He may not have a one-punch KO power, but they definitely hurt. Cotto was also hurt during their fight.
Oh, you mean when he KO'd Ortiz with a sucker punch to set it up?
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this is finally happening
but too long overdue, the fight would have been better in their primes
maybe mayweather staged it so pac would be his 48th win (fabricating a storyline) who knows
pac wants to redeem himself after those 2 losses (marquez probably wont fight him again after knocking him out)
pacs last fights did not look that good, he was more cautious and could have knocked out rios
im a pacquiao fan so i will go for him but it seems like an uphill battle
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this is finally happening
but too long overdue, the fight would have been better in their primes
maybe mayweather staged it so pac would be his 48th win (fabricating a storyline) who knows
pac wants to redeem himself after those 2 losses (marquez probably wont fight him again after knocking him out)
pacs last fights did not look that good, he was more cautious and could have knocked out rios
im a pacquiao fan so i will go for him but it seems like an uphill battle
It would have happened in their primes if Floyd didn't duck Manny.
At this point, I think the money and his reputation on the line is now too much that this is the only fight that will make sense for Floyd.
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If Manny doesn't knock him out, Floyd will win easily. You can't score points on Floyd if you're not touching him. No one has laid a glove on Mayweather in years. Manny at this point won't either. Weather, unanimous decision..
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Cotto was the last one who made Floyd bleed.
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Seems like a good time to re-open this thread.
Saw the weigh-in. Am I the only one who thinks that Floyd doesn't look as confident as he were in his previous weigh ins?
Either way, who's ready to rumble on Saturday?
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Ha. Nice try, Floyd.
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12805180/floyd-mayweather-camp-challenge-manny-pacquiao-preapproved-gloves-denied (http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12805180/floyd-mayweather-camp-challenge-manny-pacquiao-preapproved-gloves-denied)
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Ha. Nice try, Floyd.
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12805180/floyd-mayweather-camp-challenge-manny-pacquiao-preapproved-gloves-denied (http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12805180/floyd-mayweather-camp-challenge-manny-pacquiao-preapproved-gloves-denied)
great post. TP. I'm pretty hyped for this fight!
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Was going to go watch this at a buddy's house, but he cancelled last minute due to a work obligation. Debating on whether I want to try to cram into an overpacked bar.
Fully expect to see a stream pop up on Reddit at some point before the fight:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/34mqpk/welcome_to_mayweather_vs_pacquiao_fight_day_read/
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Was going to go watch this at a buddy's house, but he cancelled last minute due to a work obligation. Debating on whether I want to try to cram into an overpacked bar.
Fully expect to see a stream pop up on Reddit at some point before the fight:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/34mqpk/welcome_to_mayweather_vs_pacquiao_fight_day_read/
Good luck trying to find a stream that would work properly. I bet millions of people will do this, and the site traffic could be too much to bear.
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Was going to go watch this at a buddy's house, but he cancelled last minute due to a work obligation. Debating on whether I want to try to cram into an overpacked bar.
Fully expect to see a stream pop up on Reddit at some point before the fight:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/34mqpk/welcome_to_mayweather_vs_pacquiao_fight_day_read/
Good luck trying to find a stream that would work properly. I bet millions of people will do this, and the site traffic could be too much to bear.
Consumers always get screwed when you have anything short of free competition. How else can you justify people paying $100.00 to watch a fight that should have been fought five years ago? Consumers should learn to say NO, just one time so that they can get the fight (product)they want, when they want the fight.
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Was going to go watch this at a buddy's house, but he cancelled last minute due to a work obligation. Debating on whether I want to try to cram into an overpacked bar.
Fully expect to see a stream pop up on Reddit at some point before the fight:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/34mqpk/welcome_to_mayweather_vs_pacquiao_fight_day_read/
Good luck trying to find a stream that would work properly. I bet millions of people will do this, and the site traffic could be too much to bear.
Consumers always get screwed when you have anything short of free competition. How else can you justify people paying $100.00 to watch a fight that should have been fought five years ago? Consumers should learn to say NO, just one time so that they can get the fight (product)they want, when they want the fight.
I bought the PPV, for $100, because I like to see this fight, despite it happening 5 years too late. It's not the "consumers" fault that the fight didn't happen when it should have happened.
Point it, this is the fight everyone wanted to see. Is it a bit too late for their primes? Sure. But no one cares at this point. Both fighters still looks like they are in peak shape and the animosity is still there. At the end of the day, it comes down to if you want to see Floyd and Pac fight. I do, so I pay $100. I would have wanted to see it 5 years ago, but that's beyond my control.
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I don't like boxing at all, but I just wanted to ask if anyone on this specific thread will also be watching the Spurs-Clippers game. What time is 'the fight,' anyway, because, you know, I've got big money on the boxing thingy (sarcasm) ;) ;D - big money, lol ;D.
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I don't like boxing at all, but I just wanted to ask if anyone on this specific thread will also be watching the Spurs-Clippers game. What time is 'the fight,' anyway, because, you know, I've got big money on the boxing thingy (sarcasm) ;) ;D - big money, lol ;D.
The main event won't start in probably 8PM Pacific Time (is that 11PM Eastern Time?). You should have plenty of time to finish the Game 7 and catch the fight, unless it goes overtime.
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I have the fight, I like boxing and bet on Manny Pac as I hate the women (plural) beater Floyd Mayweather.
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I don't like boxing at all, but I just wanted to ask if anyone on this specific thread will also be watching the Spurs-Clippers game. What time is 'the fight,' anyway, because, you know, I've got big money on the boxing thingy (sarcasm) ;) ;D - big money, lol ;D.
Meh I'm a Celtics fan so whatever really happens in the NBA playoffs don't really matter to me much. Only likable teams left are Memphis Grizzlies and Washington Wizards, but I'm not huge fans of those franchises. Would be nice if it's a Grizzlies-Wizards NBA Finals, but even Adam Silver would deny that from happening lol.
Team Pacquaio I suppose!
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I paid $100 to see Floyd Mayweather's boxing brilliance.
So disappointed in Manny, never made an adjustment and Floyd just picked him apart. It actually looked easier than other Floyd fights.
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Yes blame Vegas because Manny lost by unanimous decision ;D
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one of the worst fights I have ever seen. Mayweather won by stats and didn't fight to win
I hope he loses September . That way there is no way he will hang up the gloves and comeback for one last fight
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Wait, so Mayweather 'won'?
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Wait, so Mayweather 'won'?
Made it too easy.
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one of the worst fights I have ever seen. Mayweather won by stats and didn't fight to win
I hope he loses September . That way there is no way he will hang up the gloves and comeback for one last fight
Eh...
It's not worth $100, but that's on Manny, Floyd was brilliant with his counter punching and defense (outside of the clinching of course). Manny didn't have a chance tonight. That fight was on him, not on Floyd. Mayweather was masterful with his defense and counterpunching, as he is his entire career.
I'm sad because Manny didn't even made any adjustments to his approach after he ate a ton of right jabs in 3 rounds.
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Not that I'm really interested, but I thought I saw somewhere that pacquaio had never lost a fight or something. I guess that's over now, lol ;D.
Sidebar - I'm assuming that Floyd is now off to the strip club, right, lol ;D?
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Not that I'm really interested, but I thought I saw somewhere that pacquaio had never lost a fight or something. I guess that's over now, lol ;D.
Sidebar - I'm assuming that Floyd is now off to the strip club, right, lol ;D?
It was the opposite. Mayweather is officially undefeated, which is the only reason his persona survives.
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Not that I'm really interested, but I thought I saw somewhere that pacquaio had never lost a fight or something. I guess that's over now, lol ;D.
Sidebar - I'm assuming that Floyd is now off to the strip club, right, lol ;D?
Mayweather is undefeated. But honestly, he just kept running around and giving hugs to Manny so that he'd win by decision. ::) ::) ::)
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Not that I'm really interested, but I thought I saw somewhere that pacquaio had never lost a fight or something. I guess that's over now, lol ;D.
Sidebar - I'm assuming that Floyd is now off to the strip club, right, lol ;D?
Mayweather is undefeated. But honestly, he just kept running around and giving hugs to Manny so that he'd win by decision. ::) ::) ::)
The guy knows how to score points. It's like he is fencing with his fists
Mayweather is mainly a "finesse" boxer, that can take punches. Don't remember the last time I seen him exchange heavy punches with an opponent.
The Pac man messed up in the 2nd or 3rd round? He had him hurt with the left counter punch. He should of kept pounding on him , especially into the body while he was hurting and trying to protect his head. Chances that Mayweather can muster a counter punch at that point was slim.
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Not that I'm really interested, but I thought I saw somewhere that pacquaio had never lost a fight or something. I guess that's over now, lol ;D.
Sidebar - I'm assuming that Floyd is now off to the strip club, right, lol ;D?
Mayweather is undefeated. But honestly, he just kept running around and giving hugs to Manny so that he'd win by decision. ::) ::) ::)
Last time I heard, clinching and evading punches are legal in boxing.
It's not the most fun of styles, but it worked. He dictated the fight by effective counter punching and jabbing. And once he sensed trouble looming, he quickly got out of the way.
It's not the most entertaining of styles, but it works. Just like the Spurs. They don't do flashy plays, and they hack the worst FT shooter of the other team, but if it leads to wins (obviously not tonight, but you get the drift), they will do it, and they don't care what others think of their boring, cheating style.
Floyd was masterful tonight. Controlled the fight with his jabs and defense. It wasn't fun, certainly not worth $100, but boxing wise, you couldn't probably ask for a better performance.
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Not that I'm really interested, but I thought I saw somewhere that pacquaio had never lost a fight or something. I guess that's over now, lol ;D.
Sidebar - I'm assuming that Floyd is now off to the strip club, right, lol ;D?
Mayweather is undefeated. But honestly, he just kept running around and giving hugs to Manny so that he'd win by decision. ::) ::) ::)
The guy knows how to score points. It's like he is fencing with his fists
Mayweather is mainly a "finesse" boxer, that can take punches. Don't remember the last time I seen him exchange heavy punches with an opponent.
The Pac man messed up in the 2nd or 3rd round? He had him hurt with the left counter punch. He should of kept pounding on him , especially into the body while he was hurting and trying to protect his head. Chances that Mayweather can muster a counter punch at that point was slim.
That was the 4th round. I thought it was smart of him to stop at the time. None of his punches are landing cleanly, and surely you don't want to wear yourself out.
What he didn't knew was he was never going to land a strong punch like that in that fight ever again.
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Not that I'm really interested, but I thought I saw somewhere that pacquaio had never lost a fight or something. I guess that's over now, lol ;D.
Sidebar - I'm assuming that Floyd is now off to the strip club, right, lol ;D?
Mayweather is undefeated. But honestly, he just kept running around and giving hugs to Manny so that he'd win by decision. ::) ::) ::)
Last time I heard, clinching and evading punches are legal in boxing.
It's not the most fun of styles, but it worked. He dictated the fight by effective counter punching and jabbing. And once he sensed trouble looming, he quickly got out of the way.
It's not the most entertaining of styles, but it works. Just like the Spurs. They don't do flashy plays, and they hack the worst FT shooter of the other team, but if it leads to wins (obviously not tonight, but you get the drift), they will do it, and they don't care what others think of their boring, cheating style.
Floyd was masterful tonight. Controlled the fight with his jabs and defense. It wasn't fun, certainly not worth $100, but boxing wise, you couldn't probably ask for a better performance.
Clinching is one of the reasons why boxing became so so boring to watch.
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Not that I'm really interested, but I thought I saw somewhere that pacquaio had never lost a fight or something. I guess that's over now, lol ;D.
Sidebar - I'm assuming that Floyd is now off to the strip club, right, lol ;D?
Mayweather is undefeated. But honestly, he just kept running around and giving hugs to Manny so that he'd win by decision. ::) ::) ::)
Last time I heard, clinching and evading punches are legal in boxing.
It's not the most fun of styles, but it worked. He dictated the fight by effective counter punching and jabbing. And once he sensed trouble looming, he quickly got out of the way.
It's not the most entertaining of styles, but it works. Just like the Spurs. They don't do flashy plays, and they hack the worst FT shooter of the other team, but if it leads to wins (obviously not tonight, but you get the drift), they will do it, and they don't care what others think of their boring, cheating style.
Floyd was masterful tonight. Controlled the fight with his jabs and defense. It wasn't fun, certainly not worth $100, but boxing wise, you couldn't probably ask for a better performance.
Clinching is one of the reasons why boxing became so so boring to watch.
So as Hack a Shaq in basketball.
Im not saying its fun, but's its part of the game, and Floyd tactically used it to his advantage.
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Boxing seems almost dead . I remember the glory days with guys like Sugar Ray Leonard.
Guess nobody wants brain damage anymore. :D
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Not that I'm really interested, but I thought I saw somewhere that pacquaio had never lost a fight or something. I guess that's over now, lol ;D.
Sidebar - I'm assuming that Floyd is now off to the strip club, right, lol ;D?
Mayweather is undefeated. But honestly, he just kept running around and giving hugs to Manny so that he'd win by decision. ::) ::) ::)
Last time I heard, clinching and evading punches are legal in boxing.
It's not the most fun of styles, but it worked. He dictated the fight by effective counter punching and jabbing. And once he sensed trouble looming, he quickly got out of the way.
It's not the most entertaining of styles, but it works. Just like the Spurs. They don't do flashy plays, and they hack the worst FT shooter of the other team, but if it leads to wins (obviously not tonight, but you get the drift), they will do it, and they don't care what others think of their boring, cheating style.
Floyd was masterful tonight. Controlled the fight with his jabs and defense. It wasn't fun, certainly not worth $100, but boxing wise, you couldn't probably ask for a better performance.
Clinching is one of the reasons why boxing became so so boring to watch.
So as Hack a Shaq in basketball.
Im not saying its fun, but's its part of the game, and Floyd tactically used it to his advantage.
All true but just because he excels at taking advantage of a bad rule doesn't mean he should be put up among the greats, or respected.
He's a terrible human being who defends his way to victory.
Also, the comparison between the Spurs and Mayweather is not an apt one IMO. The Spurs have beautiful passing, shooting and team chemistry. A better comparison in my mind is the old LeBron Cav teams. Where LeBron just Iso's, drives and waits for the refs to give him the call.
Effective, but boring.
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A better comparison in my mind is the old LeBron Cav teams. Where LeBron just Iso's, drives and waits for the refs to give him the call.
Effective, but boring.
Manufactured greatness, about the same. All sports hype the latest as the greatest.
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Not that I'm really interested, but I thought I saw somewhere that pacquaio had never lost a fight or something. I guess that's over now, lol ;D.
Sidebar - I'm assuming that Floyd is now off to the strip club, right, lol ;D?
Mayweather is undefeated. But honestly, he just kept running around and giving hugs to Manny so that he'd win by decision. ::) ::) ::)
Last time I heard, clinching and evading punches are legal in boxing.
It's not the most fun of styles, but it worked. He dictated the fight by effective counter punching and jabbing. And once he sensed trouble looming, he quickly got out of the way.
It's not the most entertaining of styles, but it works. Just like the Spurs. They don't do flashy plays, and they hack the worst FT shooter of the other team, but if it leads to wins (obviously not tonight, but you get the drift), they will do it, and they don't care what others think of their boring, cheating style.
Floyd was masterful tonight. Controlled the fight with his jabs and defense. It wasn't fun, certainly not worth $100, but boxing wise, you couldn't probably ask for a better performance.
Clinching is one of the reasons why boxing became so so boring to watch.
So as Hack a Shaq in basketball.
Im not saying its fun, but's its part of the game, and Floyd tactically used it to his advantage.
Im not saying its not part of the game, and that Floyd shouldnt use it to his advantage. Im saying it is what makes boxing so boring nowadays.
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Not that I'm really interested, but I thought I saw somewhere that pacquaio had never lost a fight or something. I guess that's over now, lol ;D.
Sidebar - I'm assuming that Floyd is now off to the strip club, right, lol ;D?
Mayweather is undefeated. But honestly, he just kept running around and giving hugs to Manny so that he'd win by decision. ::) ::) ::)
Last time I heard, clinching and evading punches are legal in boxing.
It's not the most fun of styles, but it worked. He dictated the fight by effective counter punching and jabbing. And once he sensed trouble looming, he quickly got out of the way.
It's not the most entertaining of styles, but it works. Just like the Spurs. They don't do flashy plays, and they hack the worst FT shooter of the other team, but if it leads to wins (obviously not tonight, but you get the drift), they will do it, and they don't care what others think of their boring, cheating style.
Floyd was masterful tonight. Controlled the fight with his jabs and defense. It wasn't fun, certainly not worth $100, but boxing wise, you couldn't probably ask for a better performance.
Clinching is one of the reasons why boxing became so so boring to watch.
So as Hack a Shaq in basketball.
Im not saying its fun, but's its part of the game, and Floyd tactically used it to his advantage.
Im not saying its not part of the game, and that Floyd shouldnt use it to his advantage. Im saying it is what makes boxing so boring nowadays.
Maybe I'm just not versed in boxing but at least with the hack a shaq rule:
1. Teams can't do it in the last 2 minutes anymore or else the opposing team gets 2 FT's and possession
2. Players can improve their FT shooting and make teams pay for hacking them
3. Teams can sub the poor ft shooter out.
With clinching, I don't know what anyone can do about it. At least with hack a shaq, there are ways around it and it becomes a useless strat against teams with decent free throw shooters. However, clinching is just a bail out like "I'm totally getting beat but let me clinch to make him stop."
It almost seems like there should be a rule against intentional clinching.
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Last time I heard, clinching and evading punches are legal in boxing.
It's not the most fun of styles, but it worked. He dictated the fight by effective counter punching and jabbing. And once he sensed trouble looming, he quickly got out of the way.
It's not the most entertaining of styles, but it works. Just like the Spurs. They don't do flashy plays, and they hack the worst FT shooter of the other team, but if it leads to wins (obviously not tonight, but you get the drift), they will do it, and they don't care what others think of their boring, cheating style.
Floyd was masterful tonight. Controlled the fight with his jabs and defense. It wasn't fun, certainly not worth $100, but boxing wise, you couldn't probably ask for a better performance.
FYI, excess holding is actually illegal in boxing. The WBC's rules for a championship contest does indeed recognize "excessive holding the opponent or maintaining a clinch" as 1 of 29 enforceable common fouls that could be cause for penalty or disqualification. It's up to the referee to determine what excess holding is and they tend to let Floyd get away with too much of it.
For instance, Floyd should have been DQ'd in his 2nd fight with Maidana - he held him every time Maidana got within range. It was an awful performance.
The fight Saturday wasn't quite as bad but again Floyd got away with a ton of holding. But Paq has been grossly overrated as a welterweight and Floyd's the better fighter at 147. Manny simply doesn't have the power which is why he hasn't knocked anyone out in 6 years. Once Floyd figured that out (and once Manny was down to one arm) it was all she wrote.
John Ruiz had a similar style - throw a punch or two and then hold. It was effective as long as the referees let it go. But when they wouldn't allow it anymore, Ruiz lost his title to an aging, blown up Middleweight (Roy Jones Jr).
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So Manny defrauded the public by not disclosing a serious injury which required surgery (he also lied on the form to the commission about pre-existing injuries). Out at least 9 months. Way to go Manny make Floyd look like the honorable integrity filled fighter. Congrats. That is hard to do.
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So Manny defrauded the public by not disclosing a serious injury which required surgery (he also lied on the form to the commission about pre-existing injuries). Out at least 9 months. Way to go Manny make Floyd look like the honorable integrity filled fighter. Congrats. That is hard to do.
I'm guessing he has 80-100 million reasons why he doesn't care what you think.
This was the single biggest payday this guy was ever going to have. Even delaying the fight could cost him money, I can't say I'm too surprised that he tries to grind it out. Especially when he when he was under the impressing that he was going to be allowed an inflammation shot pre-fight.
Athletes play hurt. Happens in every sport. Sucks for the gamblers and fans but when you have $80 million on the table, tell me that you would just get up and walk away from that.
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I think what Michael Koncz said is legit, that he was at fault for not disclosing the injury. If pacquaio was really intending to defraud the public and the commission, he wouldn't be expecting to be allowed an anti-inflammatory shot.
You have to remember, it took a long time for Pacquiao to convince Mayweather to do the fight, so he was really ecstatic that the fight is happening. He probably was worried that the fight might not push through once his injury is revealed and the match is postponed.
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Apparently Mayweather just can't stay retired (or he just likes money) as he mentioned yesterday that he will fight the Pac Man again, probably in December.
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did they fight before? If they did, it obviously is not that memorable of a fight.
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did they fight before? If they did, it obviously is not that memorable of a fight.
It was the highest grossing PPV boxing match of all time.
The fight itself was lackluster but the buzz leading up to the fight was all over the place.
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Floyd just seemingly can't stay away can he? He's on 50-0, and has beaten everyone from Pac-Man & Canelo to De La Hoya & Hatton. What else is there to do? Besides make ludicrous amounts of money
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Floyd just seemingly can't stay away can he? He's on 50-0, and has beaten everyone from Pac-Man & Canelo to De La Hoya & Hatton. What else is there to do? Besides make ludicrous amounts of money
My guess is the cash flow. Much more going out than coming in these days. Not to say he's necessarily in any financial straits or anything. Just the guy has been known to be loose with his wealth.
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I wish they had fought in their prime, at least 3 years earlier. I suspect/hope Manny would've taken it, but regardless of who won, that could've gone down as one of the greatest fights in boxing history. Would've been nice for this generation to have that closure with a dying sport.
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Floyd just seemingly can't stay away can he? He's on 50-0, and has beaten everyone from Pac-Man & Canelo to De La Hoya & Hatton. What else is there to do? Besides make ludicrous amounts of money
My guess is the cash flow. Much more going out than coming in these days. Not to say he's necessarily in any financial straits or anything. Just the guy has been known to be loose with his wealth.
Oh yeah, that's definitely what I think too. Just saddens me to see two legends who are clearly past their prime still going at it
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Floyd just seemingly can't stay away can he? He's on 50-0, and has beaten everyone from Pac-Man & Canelo to De La Hoya & Hatton. What else is there to do? Besides make ludicrous amounts of money
My guess is the cash flow. Much more going out than coming in these days. Not to say he's necessarily in any financial straits or anything. Just the guy has been known to be loose with his wealth.
Oh yeah, that's definitely what I think too. Just saddens me to see two legends who are clearly past their prime still going at it
The opposite seems true to me. Floyd always ran (literally and figuratively) from the best boxers in the world until they were past their prime. He proved nothing, which is why no one really considers him the GOAT. Manny had the better career and was an overall better boxer.
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Floyd just seemingly can't stay away can he? He's on 50-0, and has beaten everyone from Pac-Man & Canelo to De La Hoya & Hatton. What else is there to do? Besides make ludicrous amounts of money
My guess is the cash flow. Much more going out than coming in these days. Not to say he's necessarily in any financial straits or anything. Just the guy has been known to be loose with his wealth.
Oh yeah, that's definitely what I think too. Just saddens me to see two legends who are clearly past their prime still going at it
The opposite seems true to me. Floyd always ran (literally and figuratively) from the best boxers in the world until they were past their prime. He proved nothing, which is why no one really considers him the GOAT. Manny had the better career and was an overall better boxer.
I disagree. He fought and beat undefeated Canelo, 31 y/o Cotto, undefeated Hatton, 29 y/o Castillo twice, ended Maidana's career, started the end of Guerrero's career, and beat Pac-Man.
I don't know how you can think Pac-Man had the better career, especially with the way he's staying well past his prime, highlighted by losing to Horn.