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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: BIGTIME_CELTICS on November 20, 2012, 04:35:23 PM
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Jared Sullinger is nice kid, and is learning ins and outs. He had some moments, but he cannot defend anyone because of his size right now and really hurting the team. His +/- stats is.... He cannot get his shot off on the offensive end on the likes of Jason Maxille and Kwame Brown. Send him to Maine and he will develop.
Sign Martin immediately, the only thing they need is rebound and solid D off the bench, a good 15 mins spare, With WIlcox, they are very athletic and can run the floor. Fit in well with the fast pace bench play as well.
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no we do not need to send sully to Maine. What we can do is possibly cutting Darko (if he chooses to leave) or Collins or even Joseph for KMart or trade to get Gortat
I want Sully there in case anything happens or if we blow teams out and he gets opportunities to play. I also like Sully in small stretches. If we do sign Martin we should cut Sully's minutes even more to make room for Martin.
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Sullinger so far has been a better rebounder than Martn was last year. He also has scored more efficiently and been a better jump shooter.
Defensively I'm sure Martin would be better, but given the results I'd rather give Sullinger a chance to develop.
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2 words. Hell No.
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2 words. Hell No.
Ive seen a lot of dumb stuff since i started hitting up the celtics sites today.
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Sullinger so far has been a better rebounder than Martn was last year. He also has scored more efficiently and been a better jump shooter.
Defensively I'm sure Martin would be better, but given the results I'd rather give Sullinger a chance to develop.
Thats what I am saying, he needs to be the man for a while and develop post game and learn to finish over taller and stronger defenders. He is got a nice jumper, but I am not comfortable to put him out there if his offensive game cannot offset defensive liability at least to some degree
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2 words. Hell No.
Ive seen a lot of dumb stuff since i started hitting up the celtics sites today.
why are you quoting and talking to yourself?! lol
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Sullinger so far has been a better rebounder than Martn was last year. He also has scored more efficiently and been a better jump shooter.
Defensively I'm sure Martin would be better, but given the results I'd rather give Sullinger a chance to develop.
Thats what I am saying, he needs to be the man for a while and develop post game and learn to finish over taller and stronger defenders. He is got a nice jumper, but I am not comfortable to put him out there if his offensive game cannot offset defensive liability at least to some degree
Why do you think he'd be better developing in Maine than in actual NBA games?
Its not like he'll be facing too many stronger/longer defenders in the d-league.
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Sullinger so far has been a better rebounder than Martn was last year. He also has scored more efficiently and been a better jump shooter.
Defensively I'm sure Martin would be better, but given the results I'd rather give Sullinger a chance to develop.
Thats what I am saying, he needs to be the man for a while and develop post game and learn to finish over taller and stronger defenders. He is got a nice jumper, but I am not comfortable to put him out there if his offensive game cannot offset defensive liability at least to some degree
yeh, but our problem isn't in our offense, its in our defense. Martin is an upgrade defensively over Sully atm. And he is supplies energy and intensity as well. Sully isn't at that level yet.
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2 words. Hell No.
Ive seen a lot of dumb stuff since i started hitting up the celtics sites today.
why are you quoting and talking to yourself?! lol
i was adding to my statement
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While I like KMart and would love to have him on the roster, he doesnt solve the need for a legit big who is taller than 6-8. We need length and beyond KG all we have playing currently is Wilcox who does not match up well inside with 7 footers.
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He has his rookie moments as described by OP, but he already plays better than most average NBA guys his size
His stock will do nothing but go up. There is zero reason to put a man who always plays his tail off and contributes and DOESN't give up , for another over the hill has been.
For what he is being paid , and what he will be worth one day , trading him off would be exceedingly foolish , unless he was part of deal for a SUper star upgrade for the Celtics.
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Why get him....he is an inside rebounder....Doc will not put up with this behavior...The only way Doc will play him is if he opts for only shooting the 10 footer, then turning and running away....away from the battle, back on D.
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Why get him....he is an inside rebounder....Doc will not put up with this behavior...The only way Doc will play him is if he opts for only shooting the 10 footer, then turning and running away....away from the battle, back on D.
exactly. If he starts jacking up threes Doc might even start him
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Sullinger so far has been a better rebounder than Martn was last year. He also has scored more efficiently and been a better jump shooter.
Defensively I'm sure Martin would be better, but given the results I'd rather give Sullinger a chance to develop.
Thats what I am saying, he needs to be the man for a while and develop post game and learn to finish over taller and stronger defenders. He is got a nice jumper, but I am not comfortable to put him out there if his offensive game cannot offset defensive liability at least to some degree
Why do you think he'd be better developing in Maine than in actual NBA games?
Its not like he'll be facing too many stronger/longer defenders in the d-league.
U need to find ur confidence and some go-to moves, which NBA games do not allow u to cuz u r not the man and have to be disciplined. He also needs to work on boxing out and better positioning himself in offense. D-league coaches work with u day in and day out, and prolly spend most of the time with Sully cuz he is the team prospect.
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2 words. Hell No.
Ive seen a lot of dumb stuff since i started hitting up the celtics sites today.
why are you quoting and talking to yourself?! lol
hahahahaha
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Sullinger so far has been a better rebounder than Martn was last year. He also has scored more efficiently and been a better jump shooter.
Defensively I'm sure Martin would be better, but given the results I'd rather give Sullinger a chance to develop.
Thats what I am saying, he needs to be the man for a while and develop post game and learn to finish over taller and stronger defenders. He is got a nice jumper, but I am not comfortable to put him out there if his offensive game cannot offset defensive liability at least to some degree
Why do you think he'd be better developing in Maine than in actual NBA games?
Its not like he'll be facing too many stronger/longer defenders in the d-league.
U need to find ur confidence and some go-to moves, which NBA games do not allow u to cuz u r not the man and have to be disciplined. He also needs to work on boxing out and better positioning himself in offense. D-league coaches work with u day in and day out, and prolly spend most of the time with Sully cuz he is the team prospect.
Sullinger has plenty of confidence. The fact that Doc even trusts him as a rookie in the first month of the season to play significant minutes means a lot. This kid has talent and knows the game almost like a vet already. Sending him to the D-league would be a huge waste. He's already our best rebounder, and he's been a very productive player on offense. He's also played fairly well on defense when he's not asked to play center.
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He had some moments, but he cannot defend anyone because of his size right now and really hurting the team.
Well, if your idea is sending him to Maine to work on his size, I'm afraid there will be very little in terms of improvement ;D
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Jared Sullinger is nice kid, and is learning ins and outs. He had some moments, but he cannot defend anyone because of his size right now and really hurting the team. His +/- stats is.... He cannot get his shot off on the offensive end on the likes of Jason Maxille and Kwame Brown. Send him to Maine and he will develop.
Sully is shooting 73% at the rim, a very good mark for a guy that you claim is too short to get his shot off. Dwight Howard as a rookie finished at the rim at a 64% rate, for example. Sully is converting a higher percentage of his inside shots than KG, who is one of the longest players in the league.
I don't think Sully is hurting the team all that much. he's been very solid, displaying a high IQ and a good motor. I thought he would struggle getting off his shot at the rim, but he's converting those shots well, a great sign for a rookie. His mid-range game is weak, sub 40%, but should improve once he figures out what shots to take. He's hit all his FTs too.
Defensively, Sully competes. The refs haven't been giving the rookie any leeway, which is expected, but Sully should improve as he gets more seasoning. I'm disappointing at his rebounding, but he's certainly not any worse than the rest of the boxoutaphobics on the Celtics.
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He had some moments, but he cannot defend anyone because of his size right now and really hurting the team.
Well, if your idea is sending him to Maine to work on his size, I'm afraid there will be very little in terms of improvement ;D
Hilarious.
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He's already our best rebounder not named Kevin
Fixed that for you.
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sully is only getting better all around, and can be a go to scorer this year. He could hit for 20 points any time doc called on him to do so. Sully and km are on different trajectories, and have already passed each other.
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U need to find ur confidence and some go-to moves, which NBA games do not allow u to cuz u r not the man and have to be disciplined. He also needs to work on boxing out and better positioning himself in offense. D-league coaches work with u day in and day out, and prolly spend most of the time with Sully cuz he is the team prospect.
Sully's been a go-to guy for his entire life. This is literally the first time he's ever been asked to be a complementary player. He has the tools, he just needs to learn to use them against NBA players. Going down to the D League would be counter-productive.
On Sully's defense...
At the beginning of last season, Brandon Bass was a defensive liability at times; fast forward to the end of the season and he was solid (if not good) on the defensive end. Learning a defensive system takes time, developing chemistry takes time- even veterans need time to feel out a system.
Sully has shown me everything I could have hoped for so far. He's not a good defender right now, but sending him down to the D league will NOT help him learn the Celtics defense or help him adjust to defending players that are bigger, stronger, longer and faster. The only thing that will help him improve is playing more NBA minutes against NBA bigs, and thankfully Doc continues to give him plenty of PT.