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Do nothing
« on: May 08, 2013, 04:22:15 PM »

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I am thinking, that this would be the best option for now and the future.  Think about it.  PP is on his last year.  And he is clearly declining.  We could save some money by buying him out or cutting him but not by trade.  I have come around to the idea of at least giving him the opportunity to retire a Celtic.

They say KG's decision is tied to PP but I am not convinced that even if we trade or cut PP, that KG he will retire or allow a trade.  We then would be with no PP but still no room to sign anyone either.

Still not really sure we can get much of value for PP and KG.  Most good teams don't have young players worth the investment and the value of our two guys is certainly going down.  If teams were not willing to trade before, they would probably be less inclined to do so now. 

And forget about trading guys like Terry, Bass, and Lee.  Teams are not going to give up valuable cap space for these guys.  And we wouldn't get much in return in the form of players.

And as some have suggested, even without PP and KG, this team still could make the playoffs (or at least contend for the playoffs).  So on top of the fact that the draft is a crapshoot, we likely still will not have a very high pick.

So, I think the best thing to do is nothing.  Welcome everyone back, fill in the roster for anyone leaving with minimum guys.  Make the playoffs next year and allow PP's contract to expire.  Determine whether KG wants to retire then.  Don't try to take in major contracts via trade or the midlevel. 

Then go from there.

Re: Do nothing
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2013, 04:33:02 PM »

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I am thinking, that this would be the best option for now and the future.  Think about it.  PP is on his last year.  And he is clearly declining.  We could save some money by buying him out or cutting him but not by trade.  I have come around to the idea of at least giving him the opportunity to retire a Celtic.

They say KG's decision is tied to PP but I am not convinced that even if we trade or cut PP, that KG he will retire or allow a trade.  We then would be with no PP but still no room to sign anyone either.

Still not really sure we can get much of value for PP and KG.  Most good teams don't have young players worth the investment and the value of our two guys is certainly going down.  If teams were not willing to trade before, they would probably be less inclined to do so now. 

And forget about trading guys like Terry, Bass, and Lee.  Teams are not going to give up valuable cap space for these guys.  And we wouldn't get much in return in the form of players.

And as some have suggested, even without PP and KG, this team still could make the playoffs (or at least contend for the playoffs).  So on top of the fact that the draft is a crapshoot, we likely still will not have a very high pick.

So, I think the best thing to do is nothing.  Welcome everyone back, fill in the roster for anyone leaving with minimum guys.  Make the playoffs next year and allow PP's contract to expire.  Determine whether KG wants to retire then.  Don't try to take in major contracts via trade or the midlevel. 

Then go from there.

Go for Samuel Dambert/Timofey Mozgov.

I don't see why no one would want to pick up Bass/Lee or Terry if we can package something else. If not let them stay next year, try to find a cheap back up big. Hope Melo somehow gets better.

Draft Dieng, let Jeff Green be the number one scoring option, put KG/PP on limited 20 MINUTES. Bring back Shav/T-Will, find a team that would also want Crawford in a package. If our Center is starting caliber, put KG at PF, but limit his minutes at PF 5-10 so he can at least keep up his intensity for a few minutes.

PG Rondo/T-Will
SG Lee/Terry/Bradley
SF Jeff Green/PP
PF Sully/Bass
C KG/Melo/FA/16th Pick

Not one immediate contender, but interesting to see how far it goes.
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Re: Do nothing
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2013, 05:06:57 PM »

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Doing nothing doesn't appeal to me.

I think Ainge needs to either try and make a big move to get a second impact big man alongside KG (Josh Smith please) -- or -- Ainge needs to start dismantling the team.

Re: Do nothing
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2013, 05:10:44 PM »

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Hah, first response to the "let's do nothing" thread is "here's a trade proposal" :]

Love it :p

Re: Do nothing
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2013, 05:15:23 PM »

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Hah, first response to the "let's do nothing" thread is "here's a trade proposal" :]

Love it :p

I don't like the thought of us doing nothing ;).

If we're going to retain the same line up, at least try to draft a decent Center, then go for a back up/starting Center.
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Re: Do nothing
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2013, 05:20:21 PM »

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Hah, first response to the "let's do nothing" thread is "here's a trade proposal" :]

Love it :p

I don't like the thought of us doing nothing ;).

If we're going to retain the same line up, at least try to draft a decent Center, then go for a back up/starting Center.
Which is fair enough :) I wasn't criticizing, merely pointing out something I thought looked funny when I read it.

Re: Do nothing
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2013, 05:37:22 PM »

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So I've been looking at the contracts, and other information, and I'm curious.

Can we restructure KG/Pierce's contracts so they could take a cheaper contract? If Paul wants to continue playing here, I don't see why not. If Garnett is only still playing cause of Pierce, and is convinced by Paul that once we either draft Dieng/ or a nice back up Center. Try to grab Josh Smith, or Jefferson, (if we get Jefferson, make KG a combo PF/C) to give KG some needed big man help?
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Re: Do nothing
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2013, 06:31:44 PM »

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I think we should do the same thing on an asteroid or global warning, do nothing.   Surefire recipe for a disaster, a bad plan is better than none.

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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2013, 06:36:51 PM »

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a bad plan is better than none.

  This must be the official motto of the US congress.

Re: Do nothing
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2013, 07:23:18 PM »

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I think we should do the same thing on an asteroid or global warning, do nothing.   Surefire recipe for a disaster, a bad plan is better than none.
You may be right that doing nothing is not the way to go.  But I disagree that doing nothing means that there is no plan.  Doing nothing IS the plan.

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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2013, 08:26:37 AM »

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Danny painted himself into a corner for a couple of years when he signed the bulk of this roster to 3-year deals.  It was a gamble that, based on paper, this was a pretty good team that he assembled.  On paper, I would have agreed with that assessment last year.

Now, the proof is in the pudding in that this roster doesn't mesh well.  Too many SGs and not enough depth in the frontcourt.  Unfortunately, the gamble to lock up what looked like a good roster has backfired because it's not good.  We're pretty much stuck with the main players for another year barring PP and KG retiring (which I can't foresee happening). 

Danny can shuffle the minor players, Wilcox and the China trio, and add a rookie draft pick but I just don't see much else happening.  The deadweight on the roster won't be movable until after next year when they become expiring deals and even then, there's no guarantee Danny can move them for better than pennies on the dollar (if at all).

I think the plan is 'do nothing' because there really isn't much else that can be done.

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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2013, 08:31:33 AM »

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the funny thing is that Danny really could "do nothing" except maybe follow through on the draft

he could even try to bring Barbosa and Jason Collins back

hey, is Darko still available?
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Re: Do nothing
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2013, 08:35:33 AM »

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the funny thing is that Danny really could "do nothing" except maybe follow through on the draft

he could even try to bring Barbosa and Jason Collins back

hey, is Darko still available?
Who's this "Darko" you speak of?

Re: Do nothing
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2013, 08:44:08 AM »

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the funny thing is that Danny really could "do nothing" except maybe follow through on the draft

he could even try to bring Barbosa and Jason Collins back

hey, is Darko still available?
He needs to stay near his sick goldfish.

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Not quite sure why everyone thinks are roster is full of a bunch of scrubs. Lee, Bass, Crawford, and Bradley all have value. Are they bringing us back a star? Of course not but that doesn't mean they can't be traded.
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