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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Tr1boy on June 07, 2018, 09:18:14 PM
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IF the Celts don't win the championship next season (everyone healthy) and nothing less, does Kyrie still stick around the next 4-5 years?
Its too bad many folks in the media are debating this idea, but the truth is nobody knows.
Should Danny try to sit down with Irving and Agent soon and try to gauge their interest in staying with the Celts organization after this season? (because we all know 90 percent chance he opts out)
If Irving and agent are unsure (play this season out).... would you then
A) keep him still, and go for it (try to win a championship)
B) chance of losing Irving for nothing would be a pretty big blow. Trade him to the highest bidder
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99% confident. And it’s not do or die to win the title next year if we want to keep Irving. Not even close.
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70%
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99% confident. And it’s not do or die to win the title next year if we want to keep Irving. Not even close.
Agreed
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99%
Kyrie is here to stay. He won’t sign an extension but he will sign a new contract with the C’s.
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99%
Kyrie is here to stay. He won’t sign an extension but he will sign a new contract with the C’s.
I feel like Danny will sign him if he thinks it is the best deal. Confiedent.
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I will just ask everybody: Is there any better franchise currently in the NBA where you would play than Boston Celtics?
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It might would depend on why we lost?
If there is terrible chemistry among the players, leading to wars in the locker room, leading to unnamed sources saying that Irving will be available when his contract runs out...
...oh, wait...we're the Celtics not the Kings.
Nevermind...99% sure. 1% reserved for that giant asteroid that everybody keeps saying is going to hit us one day.
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I'm extremely confident IF both Kyrie and Hayward are healthy for a deep playoff run. On the flip side, what if Kyrie misses 30 games and isn't the best version of himself during the post-season? This would make things much more difficult for both sides.
I guess I would say that I'm 85% confident, with 10% of the concern falling strictly on the health of the team. The other 5% falls on the fact that Kyrie isn't a homegrown Celtic. Anything can happen within the crazy landscape of the NBA.
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80%
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No point in obsessing over click bait nonsense. He'll almost certainly resign with Boston.
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99%
Kyrie is here to stay. He won’t sign an extension but he will sign a new contract with the C’s.
I think so as well.
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After the trade, I would have said 50%. Now, I'll say 70%.
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Stop buying into these press stories. They just want something to talk about or add drama to the Celtics being dominate next year.
Where is Kyrie going to go? Where is he going to find a better coach? Fans? Talent? Money? His pops played at Boston U. No one can pay him more than the Celtics and he's still young.
If game 6 and 7 wasn't evident that you need a Kyrie is crazy at this point.
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I know there is always speculation on whether an impending FA will re-sign with their current team; however, if you are referring to Gorman's, "Kyrie Irving staying with Celtics long term is not a given," comment, he was referring to whether the Cs will want to re-sign Irving (if injury issues continue), not Irving leaving on his own volition.
That being said, I would have to put the chances at 95% if he makes it all the way to the end of his current contract without being traded. He may take a glance at other teams, but he will make the most money in Boston and has a ready-made championship team that will be good for at least a decade.
I do not think he will sign an extension this off-season, but it sure would be awesome if he did!
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I know there is always speculation on whether an impending FA will re-sign with their current team; however, if you are referring to Gorman's, "Kyrie Irving staying with Celtics long term is not a given," comment, he was referring to whether the Cs will want to re-sign Irving (if injury issues continue), not Irving leaving on his own volition.
That being said, I would have to put the chances at 95% if he makes it all the way to the end of his current contract without being traded. He may take a glance at other teams, but he will make the most money in Boston and has a ready-made championship team that will be good for at least a decade.
I do not think he will sign an extension this off-season, but it sure would be awesome if he did!
Also dont forget about the Lebron rumors
All Lebron needs to do to sabotage this relationship between Irving and Danny is to have one of his reps reach out to a member of Celts front office(ideally Danny) ...just to gauge interest (browsing but not really interested)....with Danny unsuspecting
Then leak out the story to mega fan boy Winhorst that Celts and Lebron are talking.... make Irving angry.
Danny would look like a bad guy due to his business comes 1st history
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All this Kyrie BS is clickbait to sell ads. It comes down to this - is Danny willing to give Kyrie the max? yes or no? If yes, Kyrie signs. Done. Period. End of discussion. If Danny says no, then bu-bye Kyrie.
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All this Kyrie BS is clickbait to sell ads. It comes down to this - is Danny willing to give Kyrie the max? yes or no? If yes, Kyrie signs. Done. Period. End of discussion. If Danny says no, then bu-bye Kyrie.
Danny is not sure bc what is Irving is out for a good chunk of next season...worst case misses the playoffs again?
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There is a subtle difference here, right?
1. Kyrie could sign an "extension" before becoming an UFA but with certain restrictions on the amount of the raise and number of years (I am not certain of the details here). I don't think he is going to sign an actual extension.
2. He could become a UFA at the end of this season by opting out and signing a new contract for 2019-20 and beyond (this isn't technically the same as an extension I don't think).
3. He could play out his current contract for two more seasons by picking up his option for 2019-20, then becoming an UFA and signing a new contact for 2020-21 and beyond.
So taking the question literally, "will he sign an extension?", I think that is unlikely. Will he resign with Boston after becoming an UFA, is probably the real question and I think the odds are pretty good on that. The longer he waits to do the extension or new contract, the more he can get with that contract as the amount for max deals go up as the salary cap goes up. I also think the amount of the allowable extension goes up also but I am less clear on those details.
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There is a subtle difference here, right?
1. Kyrie could sign an "extension" before becoming an UFA but with certain restrictions on the amount of the raise and number of years (I am not certain of the details here). I don't think he is going to sign an actual extension.
2. He could become a UFA at the end of this season by opting out and signing a new contract for 2019-20 and beyond (this isn't technically the same as an extension I don't think).
3. He could play out his current contract for two more seasons by picking up his option for 2019-20, then becoming an UFA and signing a new contact for 2020-21 and beyond.
So taking the question literally, "will he sign an extension?", I think that is unlikely. Will he resign with Boston after becoming an UFA, is probably the real question and I think the odds are pretty good on that. The longer he waits to do the extension or new contract, the more he can get with that contract as the amount for max deals go up as the salary cap goes up. I also think the amount of the allowable extension goes up also but I am less clear on those details.
getting too technical here
you know what I mean.
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If the C's offer him a maximum FA contract after this year I'm 95% confident he resigns.
The only way it doesn't happen is if the C's dither over offering him the full 5 years, that's why Horford left ATL in the end. I think they only reason that would happen with the C's would be injury, which I don't really want to think about after this season's woes.
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Money-wise, if it's a top deal, I'm extremely confident he re-signs. In terms of the team dynamic, environment, etc., if things continue to move in the right direction, and there is very little drama, I don't see why he wouldn't want to stick around? In my opinion, as it currently stands, he is the leader and face of this team...a winning team at that. What more could you ask for? He's in the driver's seat and on a team that is basically on the doorstep of being taken seriously as a true contender. I don't see any legitimate reason (in terms of basketball) as to why he would want to leave.
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80% seems right to me.
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I think Kyrie has his sights on the NYK,s. I would consider moving him for Kanter,Trey Burke and this years #9. Pick the best big available at 9 and a guard like Kyrie Thomas. This still leaves us with Rozier,Smart ,Burkes at guard ,all of our 2019 picks and future cap space ,without maxing out Irving.leaves room to later sign Tatum,Brown etc. Kanter gives us decisions on Baynes,Morris and all the rest of the bigs. Keep AH,Theis. wings are Brown ,Tatum and Hayward.
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I think Kyrie has his sights on the NYK,s. I would consider moving him for Kanter,Trey Burke and this years #9. Pick the best big available at 9 and a guard like Kyrie Thomas. This still leaves us with Rozier,Smart ,Burkes at guard ,all of our 2019 picks and future cap space ,without maxing out Irving.leaves room to later sign Tatum,Brown etc. Kanter gives us decisions on Baynes,Morris and all the rest of the bigs. Keep AH,Theis. wings are Brown ,Tatum and Hayward.
That is an absolutely horrendous return for Kyrie. You can't be serious
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why did we trade for Kyrie if there was a chance of losing him to NY? Bad move Danny.
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Very confident.
Kyrie is no fool (though with all the flat earth talk I guess some would disagree). He recognizes that he's in a very favorable situation. Great organization with great ownership, great GM, great coach, great teammates with little drama (as far as we can tell from the outside looking in), and the chance to be the best player on a title-contending team, in a weak Eastern Conference no less, for many years to come.
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He would never sign an extension and shouldn't. It would cost him a ton of money. But he will definitely resign here after his contract ends. This is his team and he will be the face of the franchise until Brown and/or Tatum outshine him in a couple, few years.
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Confident this group stays together for at least four more years
Kyrie is not going to find a better spot
90 percent
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I think Kyrie has his sights on the NYK,s. I would consider moving him for Kanter,Trey Burke and this years #9. Pick the best big available at 9 and a guard like Kyrie Thomas. This still leaves us with Rozier,Smart ,Burkes at guard ,all of our 2019 picks and future cap space ,without maxing out Irving.leaves room to later sign Tatum,Brown etc. Kanter gives us decisions on Baynes,Morris and all the rest of the bigs. Keep AH,Theis. wings are Brown ,Tatum and Hayward.
That is an absolutely horrendous return for Kyrie. You can't be serious
and yet it's similar to what we gave up to get him (8 pick)
i don't want to trade him though
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I think Kyrie has his sights on the NYK,s. I would consider moving him for Kanter,Trey Burke and this years #9. Pick the best big available at 9 and a guard like Kyrie Thomas. This still leaves us with Rozier,Smart ,Burkes at guard ,all of our 2019 picks and future cap space ,without maxing out Irving.leaves room to later sign Tatum,Brown etc. Kanter gives us decisions on Baynes,Morris and all the rest of the bigs. Keep AH,Theis. wings are Brown ,Tatum and Hayward.
That is an absolutely horrendous return for Kyrie. You can't be serious
and yet it's similar to what we gave up to get him (8 pick)
i don't want to trade him though
As well as a guy coming off a top-5 MVP season, and our starting small forward, both of which who had been to the ECF. So not really similar
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I think Kyrie has his sights on the NYK,s. I would consider moving him for Kanter,Trey Burke and this years #9. Pick the best big available at 9 and a guard like Kyrie Thomas. This still leaves us with Rozier,Smart ,Burkes at guard ,all of our 2019 picks and future cap space ,without maxing out Irving.leaves room to later sign Tatum,Brown etc. Kanter gives us decisions on Baynes,Morris and all the rest of the bigs. Keep AH,Theis. wings are Brown ,Tatum and Hayward.
That is an absolutely horrendous return for Kyrie. You can't be serious
and yet it's similar to what we gave up to get him (8 pick)
i don't want to trade him though
As well as a guy coming off a top-5 MVP season, and our starting small forward, both of which who had been to the ECF. So not really similar
yeah that is a bad trade, but Kanter is better than Crowder and frankly Trey Burke might be as well. Crowder may have started in Boston, but he is a back-up level of player (he came off the bench in Utah). obviously that package lacks someone like Thomas and at the time the 8th pick certainly could have been much higher so it had way more value than the 9th pick (in a weaker draft no less). That seems like what would go to Cleveland in a sign and trade for Lebron, not what would be traded straight up for Irving.
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There is a subtle difference here, right?
1. Kyrie could sign an "extension" before becoming an UFA but with certain restrictions on the amount of the raise and number of years (I am not certain of the details here). I don't think he is going to sign an actual extension.
2. He could become a UFA at the end of this season by opting out and signing a new contract for 2019-20 and beyond (this isn't technically the same as an extension I don't think).
3. He could play out his current contract for two more seasons by picking up his option for 2019-20, then becoming an UFA and signing a new contact for 2020-21 and beyond.
So taking the question literally, "will he sign an extension?", I think that is unlikely. Will he resign with Boston after becoming an UFA, is probably the real question and I think the odds are pretty good on that. The longer he waits to do the extension or new contract, the more he can get with that contract as the amount for max deals go up as the salary cap goes up. I also think the amount of the allowable extension goes up also but I am less clear on those details.
getting too technical here
you know what I mean.
Maybe, but it's also a good, detailed answer. I wish we had more of those.
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95% assuming the C's offer the max to him with player option and all the typical goodies in it (like we did to Hayward/Horford)
5% is mostly if we trade for LBJ or something goes wrong this season whether with his knee or the team overall.