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Re: Kawhi Leonard Moving To Boston Celtics? Dwyane Wade Thinks So
« Reply #150 on: May 02, 2018, 08:34:42 PM »

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Assuming Kawhi is healthy, and Philly tries to get him and then sign Paul George with their cap space. Should we offer something like Hayward + Sac pick + whatever else is necessary (outside Tatum and Brown) for him? Or maybe Kyrie + Sac pick, and play Rozier as a starter?

Because a lineup of Simmons, George, Kawhi, Embiid + some vet is super scary...

And I love Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum and Brown, so I have no idea what to think.

What is Philadelphia sending out to get back Kawhi and make salaries match? I don’t honk the collection of odds and ends on the Philly roster outside Simmons and Embiid can get that done.

Not sure if it matches salaries but maybe something like Fultz + Covington + Saric + LA pick (probably 10th)?

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« Reply #151 on: May 02, 2018, 08:42:59 PM »

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Assuming Kawhi is healthy, and Philly tries to get him and then sign Paul George with their cap space. Should we offer something like Hayward + Sac pick + whatever else is necessary (outside Tatum and Brown) for him? Or maybe Kyrie + Sac pick, and play Rozier as a starter?

Because a lineup of Simmons, George, Kawhi, Embiid + some vet is super scary...

And I love Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum and Brown, so I have no idea what to think.

What is Philadelphia sending out to get back Kawhi and make salaries match? I don’t honk the collection of odds and ends on the Philly roster outside Simmons and Embiid can get that done.

Not sure if it matches salaries but maybe something like Fultz + Covington + Saric + LA pick (probably 10th)?

Philly is under the cap.

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« Reply #152 on: May 02, 2018, 08:58:10 PM »

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Agreed with nick. Millions of people are forced into making less than ideal medical decisions due to finances.  NBA players are fortunate to be able to consult with the best medical specialists in the world.  Why on Earth wouldn’t they?

This fan base in particular should appreciate that team physicians aren’t always right.  If IT’s “groin strain” in December had been properly diagnosed, or if IT had sought a second opinion, his future might look drastically different.
This fan base also knows the dangers of players who seek other opinions till they find the one they want.

Re: Kawhi Leonard Moving To Boston Celtics? Dwyane Wade Thinks So
« Reply #153 on: May 02, 2018, 08:59:03 PM »

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Assuming Kawhi is healthy, and Philly tries to get him and then sign Paul George with their cap space. Should we offer something like Hayward + Sac pick + whatever else is necessary (outside Tatum and Brown) for him? Or maybe Kyrie + Sac pick, and play Rozier as a starter?

Because a lineup of Simmons, George, Kawhi, Embiid + some vet is super scary...

And I love Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum and Brown, so I have no idea what to think.

What is Philadelphia sending out to get back Kawhi and make salaries match? I don’t honk the collection of odds and ends on the Philly roster outside Simmons and Embiid can get that done.

Not sure if it matches salaries but maybe something like Fultz + Covington + Saric + LA pick (probably 10th)?

Philly is under the cap.

Sure. But Kawhi is under contract next year. It’s not a free agency situation so Philly has to give SA something that’s better than keeping Kawhi or trading him to someone else. If Kawhi is healthy, that Philly package would be pretty light.

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« Reply #154 on: May 02, 2018, 09:07:00 PM »

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Assuming Kawhi is healthy, and Philly tries to get him and then sign Paul George with their cap space. Should we offer something like Hayward + Sac pick + whatever else is necessary (outside Tatum and Brown) for him? Or maybe Kyrie + Sac pick, and play Rozier as a starter?

Because a lineup of Simmons, George, Kawhi, Embiid + some vet is super scary...

And I love Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum and Brown, so I have no idea what to think.

What is Philadelphia sending out to get back Kawhi and make salaries match? I don’t honk the collection of odds and ends on the Philly roster outside Simmons and Embiid can get that done.

Not sure if it matches salaries but maybe something like Fultz + Covington + Saric + LA pick (probably 10th)?

Philly is under the cap.

Sure. But Kawhi is under contract next year. It’s not a free agency situation so Philly has to give SA something that’s better than keeping Kawhi or trading him to someone else. If Kawhi is healthy, that Philly package would be pretty light.

ALSO, Philly may be under the cap, but OP there states they could get Kawhi AND George. If you trade for Kawhi but don't match salaries (meaning you take back some extra $$ in Kawhi), I'm not sure they have the max $$$ needed to acquire George, while LAL does. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's my understanding. Remember, Embiid's extension kicks in too (so I think PHI can only afford 1 max player and then maybe some smaller signings).

I think Saric + Fultz + Covington could allow that to happen for PHI though, since they combined make around 20M (which is what Kawhi makes next year), although it depends if SAS is down for that package. I think if LAL offers Kuzma + Ingram, or Phoenix jumps in and packages their Top-3 pick this year and another intriguing prospect, it won't be enough.

Anyone know what George's max deal would look like this summer?
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Re: Kawhi Leonard Moving To Boston Celtics? Dwyane Wade Thinks So
« Reply #155 on: May 02, 2018, 09:34:49 PM »

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Assuming Kawhi is healthy, and Philly tries to get him and then sign Paul George with their cap space. Should we offer something like Hayward + Sac pick + whatever else is necessary (outside Tatum and Brown) for him? Or maybe Kyrie + Sac pick, and play Rozier as a starter?

Because a lineup of Simmons, George, Kawhi, Embiid + some vet is super scary...

And I love Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum and Brown, so I have no idea what to think.

What is Philadelphia sending out to get back Kawhi and make salaries match? I don’t honk the collection of odds and ends on the Philly roster outside Simmons and Embiid can get that done.

Not sure if it matches salaries but maybe something like Fultz + Covington + Saric + LA pick (probably 10th)?

Philly is under the cap.

Sure. But Kawhi is under contract next year. It’s not a free agency situation so Philly has to give SA something that’s better than keeping Kawhi or trading him to someone else. If Kawhi is healthy, that Philly package would be pretty light.

I'm just saying that under those circumstances, matching salary isn't the issue.

Re: Kawhi Leonard Moving To Boston Celtics? Dwyane Wade Thinks So
« Reply #156 on: May 03, 2018, 11:07:03 AM »

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Assuming Kawhi is healthy, and Philly tries to get him and then sign Paul George with their cap space. Should we offer something like Hayward + Sac pick + whatever else is necessary (outside Tatum and Brown) for him? Or maybe Kyrie + Sac pick, and play Rozier as a starter?

Because a lineup of Simmons, George, Kawhi, Embiid + some vet is super scary...

And I love Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum and Brown, so I have no idea what to think.

What is Philadelphia sending out to get back Kawhi and make salaries match? I don’t honk the collection of odds and ends on the Philly roster outside Simmons and Embiid can get that done.

Not sure if it matches salaries but maybe something like Fultz + Covington + Saric + LA pick (probably 10th)?

Spurs say no

Fultz is not a Pops type of player

Celts or Lakers probably have the best package to offer for him

Ingram + Hart + Kuzma + future 1st

or

Horford + Rozier + Semi + Future 1st

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« Reply #157 on: May 03, 2018, 11:08:47 AM »

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Assuming Kawhi is healthy, and Philly tries to get him and then sign Paul George with their cap space. Should we offer something like Hayward + Sac pick + whatever else is necessary (outside Tatum and Brown) for him? Or maybe Kyrie + Sac pick, and play Rozier as a starter?

Because a lineup of Simmons, George, Kawhi, Embiid + some vet is super scary...

And I love Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum and Brown, so I have no idea what to think.

What is Philadelphia sending out to get back Kawhi and make salaries match? I don’t honk the collection of odds and ends on the Philly roster outside Simmons and Embiid can get that done.

Not sure if it matches salaries but maybe something like Fultz + Covington + Saric + LA pick (probably 10th)?

Spurs say no

Fultz is not a Pops type of player

Celts or Lakers probably have the best package to offer for him

Ingram + Hart + Kuzma + future 1st

or

Horford + Rozier + Semi + Future 1st

Why the hell would we trade Horford in this package??

Also, Horford alone makes like 10M MORE than Kawhi next season.
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Re: Kawhi Leonard Moving To Boston Celtics? Dwyane Wade Thinks So
« Reply #158 on: May 03, 2018, 11:12:06 AM »

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Assuming Kawhi is healthy, and Philly tries to get him and then sign Paul George with their cap space. Should we offer something like Hayward + Sac pick + whatever else is necessary (outside Tatum and Brown) for him? Or maybe Kyrie + Sac pick, and play Rozier as a starter?

Because a lineup of Simmons, George, Kawhi, Embiid + some vet is super scary...

And I love Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum and Brown, so I have no idea what to think.

What is Philadelphia sending out to get back Kawhi and make salaries match? I don’t honk the collection of odds and ends on the Philly roster outside Simmons and Embiid can get that done.

Not sure if it matches salaries but maybe something like Fultz + Covington + Saric + LA pick (probably 10th)?

Spurs say no

Fultz is not a Pops type of player

Celts or Lakers probably have the best package to offer for him

Ingram + Hart + Kuzma + future 1st

or

Horford + Rozier + Semi + Future 1st

Why the hell would we trade Horford in this package??

Also, Horford alone makes like 10M MORE than Kawhi next season.

Not saying Celts will but IF they did

Its called salary match btw.  They can include Gasol etc. to make the trade work


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« Reply #159 on: May 03, 2018, 11:14:17 AM »

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Assuming Kawhi is healthy, and Philly tries to get him and then sign Paul George with their cap space. Should we offer something like Hayward + Sac pick + whatever else is necessary (outside Tatum and Brown) for him? Or maybe Kyrie + Sac pick, and play Rozier as a starter?

Because a lineup of Simmons, George, Kawhi, Embiid + some vet is super scary...

And I love Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum and Brown, so I have no idea what to think.

What is Philadelphia sending out to get back Kawhi and make salaries match? I don’t honk the collection of odds and ends on the Philly roster outside Simmons and Embiid can get that done.

Not sure if it matches salaries but maybe something like Fultz + Covington + Saric + LA pick (probably 10th)?

Spurs say no

Fultz is not a Pops type of player

Celts or Lakers probably have the best package to offer for him

Ingram + Hart + Kuzma + future 1st

or

Horford + Rozier + Semi + Future 1st
The celtic package is absolutely laughable. 

Re: Kawhi Leonard Moving To Boston Celtics? Dwyane Wade Thinks So
« Reply #160 on: May 03, 2018, 11:26:10 AM »

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Assuming Kawhi is healthy, and Philly tries to get him and then sign Paul George with their cap space. Should we offer something like Hayward + Sac pick + whatever else is necessary (outside Tatum and Brown) for him? Or maybe Kyrie + Sac pick, and play Rozier as a starter?

Because a lineup of Simmons, George, Kawhi, Embiid + some vet is super scary...

And I love Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum and Brown, so I have no idea what to think.

What is Philadelphia sending out to get back Kawhi and make salaries match? I don’t honk the collection of odds and ends on the Philly roster outside Simmons and Embiid can get that done.

Not sure if it matches salaries but maybe something like Fultz + Covington + Saric + LA pick (probably 10th)?

Spurs say no

Fultz is not a Pops type of player

Celts or Lakers probably have the best package to offer for him

Ingram + Hart + Kuzma + future 1st

or

Horford + Rozier + Semi + Future 1st

Why the hell would we trade Horford in this package??

Also, Horford alone makes like 10M MORE than Kawhi next season.

Not saying Celts will but IF they did

Its called salary match btw.  They can include Gasol etc. to make the trade work

Okay, then who is our starting center? Gasol? LOL.

Boy Horford is really underestimated around here.
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« Reply #161 on: May 03, 2018, 12:05:04 PM »

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This is one of the reasons people around the league chatter that the C's are going to resign Smart to a solid mid level contract. (under the new cap this is 10+ million). The C's need contracts other than max FAs and rookie scale contracts to make trades.

I know Zach Lowe has mentioned it a few times.

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« Reply #162 on: May 03, 2018, 12:16:27 PM »

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This is one of the reasons people around the league chatter that the C's are going to resign Smart to a solid mid level contract. (under the new cap this is 10+ million). The C's need contracts other than max FAs and rookie scale contracts to make trades.

I know Zach Lowe has mentioned it a few times.

Yeah that makes sense. Although I think Ainge considers Smart a keeper. He took him at #6 for a reason and I think he loves Smart's toughness and attitude (the kind you need to win a championship - a Draymond like player).
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« Reply #163 on: May 03, 2018, 12:20:32 PM »

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This is one of the reasons people around the league chatter that the C's are going to resign Smart to a solid mid level contract. (under the new cap this is 10+ million). The C's need contracts other than max FAs and rookie scale contracts to make trades.

I know Zach Lowe has mentioned it a few times.

Yeah that makes sense. Although I think Ainge considers Smart a keeper. He took him at #6 for a reason and I think he loves Smart's toughness and attitude (the kind you need to win a championship - a Draymond like player).
Agreed.

I don't think Danny will sign Smart to a contract he thinks is a bad overpay. But I do think he will look at it as keeping an asset that's a tradeable piece for another star. Similar to the Bradley/Crowder deals when they were signed. (Smart's deal won't be a "steal" because the cap is not jumping up again)

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« Reply #164 on: May 03, 2018, 12:26:59 PM »

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just keep brown and tatum... irwing hayward brown tatum horford are super solid... we need health not kawhi

I agree.  We have a young Kawhi in Brown.

Jaylen in his second season averaged 14.9/4.9 while Kawhi was 11.9/6.0.  If you read the scouting reports coming out of school, they are almost identical. 

I keep Jaylen and let him grow with the yutes!
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