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Title: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Eja117 on December 13, 2017, 10:06:39 PM
Tell the truth
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Eja117 on December 13, 2017, 10:12:17 PM
I think it's a tad funny Scala is saying he'll have to watch it on Netflix. I don't think it will be on Netflix. Maybe it will be
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: liam on December 13, 2017, 10:15:19 PM
Yes, many times. I even saw it of the big screen once in Harvard Square. Great movie.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Eja117 on December 13, 2017, 10:18:00 PM
I think it was on the original top 100 American films list. Yeah. It was on the first list then actually went up a bunch of spots on the revised list.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Roy H. on December 13, 2017, 10:41:46 PM
My cousin is named after the movie. It’s a first-tier classic.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Emmette Bryant on December 13, 2017, 10:47:27 PM
Not only have I seen the film, I read the novel by Jack Schaefer when I was in high school.

Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: CelticD on December 13, 2017, 10:50:30 PM
I'm a millennial so naturally I had to look this up. This was made in 1953, sheesh. First movie I've ever seen which is still my favorite to this day was The Matrix on this thing called a VCR.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 13, 2017, 11:03:48 PM
Was Shane Larkin in it ?

















 ;)
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: mmmmm on December 13, 2017, 11:12:26 PM
I've seen it several times.  As Roy indicated, Shane is a classic.

For those who aren't fans of the 1950s-style cinematography and melodrama of the Alan Ladd original, Clint Eastwood's "Pale Rider", made in the 80s, is a more contemporary remake.  The latter is grittier, more violent and less sentimental.   Not necessarily a better overall movie.  Just different.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: saltlover on December 13, 2017, 11:59:10 PM
I’d never heard of it until this past Saturday, when it helped stump me on th New York Times crossword.  I still know nothing about it.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 14, 2017, 12:34:13 AM
Strange question.  Why Shane?  Seen it but it is not in my top 100 westerns. 
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Androslav on December 14, 2017, 02:56:26 AM
Watched it, classic. Here, in Croatia, Shane is immortalized in the song from a cult band from the 80ies, Haustor (Hausdoor). People in their 50ies/40is still get chills when its on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh0TFNJbXhs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haustor
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Roy H. on December 14, 2017, 06:29:39 AM
Strange question.  Why Shane?  Seen it but it is not in my top 100 westerns.

Mike and Tommy were discussing it last night and Scal had no idea what they were talking about.

Not in the top 100?  I want to see your list. ;)
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: colincb on December 14, 2017, 07:01:19 AM
#45 on the top 100 movies of all time according to the American Film Institute. #3 western behind The Searchers and High Noon.

Great film noted for it's cinematography which was unusual for the time. Jack Palance made a memorable villain in particular.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Surferdad on December 14, 2017, 07:11:00 AM
I've seen it several times.  As Roy indicated, Shane is a classic.

For those who aren't fans of the 1950s-style cinematography and melodrama of the Alan Ladd original, Clint Eastwood's "Pale Rider", made in the 80s, is a more contemporary remake.  The latter is grittier, more violent and less sentimental.   Not necessarily a better overall movie.  Just different.
I was never a big fan of Westerns, but when you have only 10 channels to choose from on TV, and going to the movies was a luxury enjoyed only a few times a year, you watch whatever is on...westerns, sci-fi, comedy, horror, drama...
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 14, 2017, 07:13:49 AM
I thought Jack Palance steals the show with his performance as the villain.  The kid is beyond annoying though.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 14, 2017, 07:17:41 AM
I thought Jack Palance steals the show with his performance as the villain.  The kid is beyond annoying though.

Good summary . Watched it once ...that was enough.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Redz on December 14, 2017, 07:56:29 AM
I don't know that I've ever watched the entire movie or if I'm confusing it with several other movies of that genre/era. 

Oddly, the first thing that comes to mind when I hear about "Shane" is multiple references in Roger Waters' "Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking" album.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: slamtheking on December 14, 2017, 08:20:24 AM
I thought Jack Palance steals the show with his performance as the villain.  The kid is beyond annoying though.

Good summary . Watched it once ...that was enough.
same here.

saw it once about 10 years ago.  thought it was overrated but still ok.  Palance was really good and the kid was beyond annoying --> like young Anakin and JarJar Binks in Phantom Menace annoying.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: slamtheking on December 14, 2017, 08:21:43 AM
#45 on the top 100 movies of all time according to the American Film Institute. #3 western behind The Searchers and High Noon.

Great film noted for it's cinematography which was unusual for the time. Jack Palance made a memorable villain in particular.
haven't seen the Searchers but High Noon was definitely a top classic.  quite possibly my favorite western that doesn't have John Wayne or Clint Eastwood.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Roy H. on December 14, 2017, 08:23:41 AM
#45 on the top 100 movies of all time according to the American Film Institute. #3 western behind The Searchers and High Noon.

Great film noted for it's cinematography which was unusual for the time. Jack Palance made a memorable villain in particular.
haven't seen the Searchers but High Noon was definitely a top classic.  quite possibly my favorite western that doesn't have John Wayne or Clint Eastwood.

I don’t really love The Searchers.

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence. Now that’s a great movie.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: jambr380 on December 14, 2017, 08:33:47 AM
Jack Palance as in the Skin Bracer aftershave commercial of the early 90s Jack Palance?

"Confidence is very sexy, don't you think?"  :laugh:

Never was one for 'old' movies. Shane is way before the vast majority of CBers time - maybe I should see what Jack Palance is actually known for.

Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: slamtheking on December 14, 2017, 09:08:16 AM
#45 on the top 100 movies of all time according to the American Film Institute. #3 western behind The Searchers and High Noon.

Great film noted for it's cinematography which was unusual for the time. Jack Palance made a memorable villain in particular.
haven't seen the Searchers but High Noon was definitely a top classic.  quite possibly my favorite western that doesn't have John Wayne or Clint Eastwood.

I don’t really love The Searchers.

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence. Now that’s a great movie.
that's another movie I haven't seen but should
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: slamtheking on December 14, 2017, 09:10:14 AM
Jack Palance as in the Skin Bracer aftershave commercial of the early 90s Jack Palance?

"Confidence is very sexy, don't you think?"  :laugh:

Never was one for 'old' movies. Shane is way before the vast majority of CBers time - maybe I should see what Jack Palance is actually known for.
His Oscar for City Slickers (as good a performance as it was) was supposedly a partial acknowledgement of his getting robbed of the supporting Oscar for his role in Shane.  he was a better heel in Shane than he was a tough-guy curmudgeon in City Slickers.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: colincb on December 14, 2017, 10:23:40 AM
#45 on the top 100 movies of all time according to the American Film Institute. #3 western behind The Searchers and High Noon.

Great film noted for it's cinematography which was unusual for the time. Jack Palance made a memorable villain in particular.
haven't seen the Searchers but High Noon was definitely a top classic.  quite possibly my favorite western that doesn't have John Wayne or Clint Eastwood.

I don’t really love The Searchers.

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence. Now that’s a great movie.

It is and deserves greater consideration than it gets. However, I'd pick The Searchers before it. John Ford has always had a great visual sense of the West which is on display in The Searchers and I also think it's Wayne's best movie and he's very dark in it (though he's very good in your film too as well as Red River).

High Noon is my top western though for a number of reasons. John Wayne hated it for ideological reasons though Gary Cooper was very conservative too, though far less a knee-jerk one.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Donoghus on December 14, 2017, 10:27:35 AM
Btw 30-50 and never seen it. 

That was a pretty funny exchange last night. 
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Eja117 on December 14, 2017, 10:29:56 AM
I believe Jack Palance holds the record for most years between Academy Award wins
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Big333223 on December 14, 2017, 11:31:37 AM
I believe Jack Palance holds the record for most years between Academy Award wins

I don't think so. He only won once and there was 39 years between his first nomination (1952) and his win for City Slickers (1991) but Katherine Hepburn won her first in 1933 and her last in 1981 (48 years). Maybe Palance holds the record for most years between a first nomination and an eventual win?

I guess I'm the only poster under 30 who has seen Shane (or at least the only one who voted). I started laughing pretty hard when Gorman called Larkin Alan Ladd last night. No one knows who Alan Ladd is anymore.

Shane is terrific. Anyone watching it today has to know that movies moved at a slower pace back then and this one certainly takes it time. You also have to be OK with a guy built like Alan Ladd playing someone as tough as Shane. And yeah, the kid is annoying as heck. But Ladd and Palance are great and Emile Meyer has a really great monologue in the middle of the movie that complicates the films morality in an era that was not known for indulging in moral ambiguity.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: colincb on December 14, 2017, 12:07:03 PM
Jack Palance as in the Skin Bracer aftershave commercial of the early 90s Jack Palance?

"Confidence is very sexy, don't you think?"  :laugh:

Never was one for 'old' movies. Shane is way before the vast majority of CBers time - maybe I should see what Jack Palance is actually known for.
His Oscar for City Slickers (as good a performance as it was) was supposedly a partial acknowledgement of his getting robbed of the supporting Oscar for his role in Shane.  he was a better heel in Shane than he was a tough-guy curmudgeon in City Slickers.

He was great, but I am not sure he was robbed. I would take his performance over Frank Sinatra's in From Here to Eternity, but Sinatra was surprisingly good in the film (and how he got the role is captured in Godfather 1 ;)). From Here to Eternity was a good film, a huge hit and, given its proximity to WW2, understandably so.

Westerns have always drawn the short straw in the Academy Awards and the kid in Shane took some votes away from Palance in the best supporting actor category (he didn't bother me, but I like kids though not 14 year old girls). The anti-Western bias is more clearly seen in none of John Ford's westerns winning or High Noon being jobbed out of Best Picture the year before Shane.

There is some inside Hollywood political controversy involved in the heavily favored High Noon's loss to the The Greatest Show on Earth, which is arguably the biggest and most perverse upset in Academy Awards history. Nobody thinks of the 1952 winner as being a good film, never mind a great one. In any case, only 3 Westerns have won Best Pictures and actors in those films like Palance suffered accordingly. Nonetheless, Jack Wilson is a great role and Palance fit it well.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: slamtheking on December 14, 2017, 12:23:05 PM
Jack Palance as in the Skin Bracer aftershave commercial of the early 90s Jack Palance?

"Confidence is very sexy, don't you think?"  :laugh:

Never was one for 'old' movies. Shane is way before the vast majority of CBers time - maybe I should see what Jack Palance is actually known for.
His Oscar for City Slickers (as good a performance as it was) was supposedly a partial acknowledgement of his getting robbed of the supporting Oscar for his role in Shane.  he was a better heel in Shane than he was a tough-guy curmudgeon in City Slickers.

He was great, but I am not sure he was robbed. I would take his performance over Frank Sinatra's in From Here to Eternity, but Sinatra was surprisingly good in the film (and how he got the role is captured in Godfather 1 ;)). From Here to Eternity was a good film, a huge hit and, given its proximity to WW2, understandably so.

Westerns have always drawn the short straw in the Academy Awards and the kid in Shane took some votes away from Palance in the best supporting actor category (he didn't bother me, but I like kids though not 14 year old girls). The anti-Western bias is more clearly seen in none of John Ford's westerns winning or High Noon being jobbed out of Best Picture the year before Shane.

There is some inside Hollywood political controversy involved in the heavily favored High Noon's loss to the The Greatest Show on Earth, which is arguably the biggest and most perverse upset in Academy Awards history. Nobody thinks of the 1952 winner as being a good film, never mind a great one. In any case, only 3 Westerns have won Best Pictures and actors in those films like Palance suffered accordingly. Nonetheless, Jack Wilson is a great role and Palance fit it well.
good to know.

Trivia question for the day --> what were those 3 Westerns to win the Oscar for best film? 

I know only one of them -- Unforgiven.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Donoghus on December 14, 2017, 12:26:16 PM
Jack Palance as in the Skin Bracer aftershave commercial of the early 90s Jack Palance?

"Confidence is very sexy, don't you think?"  :laugh:

Never was one for 'old' movies. Shane is way before the vast majority of CBers time - maybe I should see what Jack Palance is actually known for.
His Oscar for City Slickers (as good a performance as it was) was supposedly a partial acknowledgement of his getting robbed of the supporting Oscar for his role in Shane.  he was a better heel in Shane than he was a tough-guy curmudgeon in City Slickers.

He was great, but I am not sure he was robbed. I would take his performance over Frank Sinatra's in From Here to Eternity, but Sinatra was surprisingly good in the film (and how he got the role is captured in Godfather 1 ;)). From Here to Eternity was a good film, a huge hit and, given its proximity to WW2, understandably so.

Westerns have always drawn the short straw in the Academy Awards and the kid in Shane took some votes away from Palance in the best supporting actor category (he didn't bother me, but I like kids though not 14 year old girls). The anti-Western bias is more clearly seen in none of John Ford's westerns winning or High Noon being jobbed out of Best Picture the year before Shane.

There is some inside Hollywood political controversy involved in the heavily favored High Noon's loss to the The Greatest Show on Earth, which is arguably the biggest and most perverse upset in Academy Awards history. Nobody thinks of the 1952 winner as being a good film, never mind a great one. In any case, only 3 Westerns have won Best Pictures and actors in those films like Palance suffered accordingly. Nonetheless, Jack Wilson is a great role and Palance fit it well.
good to know.

Trivia question for the day --> what were those 3 Westerns to win the Oscar for best film? 

I know only one of them -- Unforgiven.

"Cowboys & Aliens" and "Wild, Wild West".

Boom!
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Roy H. on December 14, 2017, 12:26:30 PM
Jack Palance as in the Skin Bracer aftershave commercial of the early 90s Jack Palance?

"Confidence is very sexy, don't you think?"  :laugh:

Never was one for 'old' movies. Shane is way before the vast majority of CBers time - maybe I should see what Jack Palance is actually known for.
His Oscar for City Slickers (as good a performance as it was) was supposedly a partial acknowledgement of his getting robbed of the supporting Oscar for his role in Shane.  he was a better heel in Shane than he was a tough-guy curmudgeon in City Slickers.

He was great, but I am not sure he was robbed. I would take his performance over Frank Sinatra's in From Here to Eternity, but Sinatra was surprisingly good in the film (and how he got the role is captured in Godfather 1 ;)). From Here to Eternity was a good film, a huge hit and, given its proximity to WW2, understandably so.

Westerns have always drawn the short straw in the Academy Awards and the kid in Shane took some votes away from Palance in the best supporting actor category (he didn't bother me, but I like kids though not 14 year old girls). The anti-Western bias is more clearly seen in none of John Ford's westerns winning or High Noon being jobbed out of Best Picture the year before Shane.

There is some inside Hollywood political controversy involved in the heavily favored High Noon's loss to the The Greatest Show on Earth, which is arguably the biggest and most perverse upset in Academy Awards history. Nobody thinks of the 1952 winner as being a good film, never mind a great one. In any case, only 3 Westerns have won Best Pictures and actors in those films like Palance suffered accordingly. Nonetheless, Jack Wilson is a great role and Palance fit it well.
good to know.

Trivia question for the day --> what were those 3 Westerns to win the Oscar for best film? 

I know only one of them -- Unforgiven.

Dances With Wolves.

Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Eja117 on December 14, 2017, 12:58:26 PM
Jack Palance as in the Skin Bracer aftershave commercial of the early 90s Jack Palance?

"Confidence is very sexy, don't you think?"  :laugh:

Never was one for 'old' movies. Shane is way before the vast majority of CBers time - maybe I should see what Jack Palance is actually known for.
His Oscar for City Slickers (as good a performance as it was) was supposedly a partial acknowledgement of his getting robbed of the supporting Oscar for his role in Shane.  he was a better heel in Shane than he was a tough-guy curmudgeon in City Slickers.

He was great, but I am not sure he was robbed. I would take his performance over Frank Sinatra's in From Here to Eternity, but Sinatra was surprisingly good in the film (and how he got the role is captured in Godfather 1 ;)). From Here to Eternity was a good film, a huge hit and, given its proximity to WW2, understandably so.

Westerns have always drawn the short straw in the Academy Awards and the kid in Shane took some votes away from Palance in the best supporting actor category (he didn't bother me, but I like kids though not 14 year old girls). The anti-Western bias is more clearly seen in none of John Ford's westerns winning or High Noon being jobbed out of Best Picture the year before Shane.

There is some inside Hollywood political controversy involved in the heavily favored High Noon's loss to the The Greatest Show on Earth, which is arguably the biggest and most perverse upset in Academy Awards history. Nobody thinks of the 1952 winner as being a good film, never mind a great one. In any case, only 3 Westerns have won Best Pictures and actors in those films like Palance suffered accordingly. Nonetheless, Jack Wilson is a great role and Palance fit it well.
good to know.

Trivia question for the day --> what were those 3 Westerns to win the Oscar for best film? 

I know only one of them -- Unforgiven.
No Country for Old Men
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: slamtheking on December 14, 2017, 12:59:13 PM
Jack Palance as in the Skin Bracer aftershave commercial of the early 90s Jack Palance?

"Confidence is very sexy, don't you think?"  :laugh:

Never was one for 'old' movies. Shane is way before the vast majority of CBers time - maybe I should see what Jack Palance is actually known for.
His Oscar for City Slickers (as good a performance as it was) was supposedly a partial acknowledgement of his getting robbed of the supporting Oscar for his role in Shane.  he was a better heel in Shane than he was a tough-guy curmudgeon in City Slickers.

He was great, but I am not sure he was robbed. I would take his performance over Frank Sinatra's in From Here to Eternity, but Sinatra was surprisingly good in the film (and how he got the role is captured in Godfather 1 ;)). From Here to Eternity was a good film, a huge hit and, given its proximity to WW2, understandably so.

Westerns have always drawn the short straw in the Academy Awards and the kid in Shane took some votes away from Palance in the best supporting actor category (he didn't bother me, but I like kids though not 14 year old girls). The anti-Western bias is more clearly seen in none of John Ford's westerns winning or High Noon being jobbed out of Best Picture the year before Shane.

There is some inside Hollywood political controversy involved in the heavily favored High Noon's loss to the The Greatest Show on Earth, which is arguably the biggest and most perverse upset in Academy Awards history. Nobody thinks of the 1952 winner as being a good film, never mind a great one. In any case, only 3 Westerns have won Best Pictures and actors in those films like Palance suffered accordingly. Nonetheless, Jack Wilson is a great role and Palance fit it well.
good to know.

Trivia question for the day --> what were those 3 Westerns to win the Oscar for best film? 

I know only one of them -- Unforgiven.
No Country for Old Men
is that a western though?  I didn't consider it one when I saw it.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: slamtheking on December 14, 2017, 12:59:34 PM
Jack Palance as in the Skin Bracer aftershave commercial of the early 90s Jack Palance?

"Confidence is very sexy, don't you think?"  :laugh:

Never was one for 'old' movies. Shane is way before the vast majority of CBers time - maybe I should see what Jack Palance is actually known for.
His Oscar for City Slickers (as good a performance as it was) was supposedly a partial acknowledgement of his getting robbed of the supporting Oscar for his role in Shane.  he was a better heel in Shane than he was a tough-guy curmudgeon in City Slickers.

He was great, but I am not sure he was robbed. I would take his performance over Frank Sinatra's in From Here to Eternity, but Sinatra was surprisingly good in the film (and how he got the role is captured in Godfather 1 ;)). From Here to Eternity was a good film, a huge hit and, given its proximity to WW2, understandably so.

Westerns have always drawn the short straw in the Academy Awards and the kid in Shane took some votes away from Palance in the best supporting actor category (he didn't bother me, but I like kids though not 14 year old girls). The anti-Western bias is more clearly seen in none of John Ford's westerns winning or High Noon being jobbed out of Best Picture the year before Shane.

There is some inside Hollywood political controversy involved in the heavily favored High Noon's loss to the The Greatest Show on Earth, which is arguably the biggest and most perverse upset in Academy Awards history. Nobody thinks of the 1952 winner as being a good film, never mind a great one. In any case, only 3 Westerns have won Best Pictures and actors in those films like Palance suffered accordingly. Nonetheless, Jack Wilson is a great role and Palance fit it well.
good to know.

Trivia question for the day --> what were those 3 Westerns to win the Oscar for best film? 

I know only one of them -- Unforgiven.

Dances With Wolves.
forgot about that one.  good catch
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Vox_Populi on December 14, 2017, 01:11:32 PM
For some crossover recognition, in the movie Logan (the Wolverine one) the Western that the little girl is watching in the hotel is Shane.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: colincb on December 14, 2017, 01:15:07 PM
Cimarron in 1931 is the third Best Picture winning western. Recognized as the first Best Picture winner and a weak one in a weak year for movies. Its Oklahoma land rush scene with 5,000 extras is what's best known about the flick and it was a very expensive movie made at the depth of the Depression. It hasn't aged well, has a 50% positive rating on Rotten Tomatoes FWIW, and more a melodrama than a western too. The most memorable movies that year (M, The Public Enemy, Little Caesar, City Lights, The Blue Angel, Dracula, and Frankenstein) were not nominated.

The first real western to win was Dances with Wolves in 1990. Kind of a shame really given how popular the genre was.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: colincb on December 14, 2017, 01:26:16 PM
For some crossover recognition, in the movie Logan (the Wolverine one) the Western that the little girl is watching in the hotel is Shane.

Shane's relation to Logan goes deeper than that:

https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/logan-movie-shane-reference-classic-western-film

Pale Rider, however, is the closest approximation/homage/ripoff of Shane. No villain near as great as Palance's Jack Wilson though. Great villains make a lot of films and the Bond franchise is a good example (excluding Roger Moore films). Just look at Daniel Craig's first and third entries vs his second and fourth ones.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: saltlover on December 14, 2017, 01:41:12 PM
Jack Palance as in the Skin Bracer aftershave commercial of the early 90s Jack Palance?

"Confidence is very sexy, don't you think?"  :laugh:

Never was one for 'old' movies. Shane is way before the vast majority of CBers time - maybe I should see what Jack Palance is actually known for.
His Oscar for City Slickers (as good a performance as it was) was supposedly a partial acknowledgement of his getting robbed of the supporting Oscar for his role in Shane.  he was a better heel in Shane than he was a tough-guy curmudgeon in City Slickers.

He was great, but I am not sure he was robbed. I would take his performance over Frank Sinatra's in From Here to Eternity, but Sinatra was surprisingly good in the film (and how he got the role is captured in Godfather 1 ;)). From Here to Eternity was a good film, a huge hit and, given its proximity to WW2, understandably so.

Westerns have always drawn the short straw in the Academy Awards and the kid in Shane took some votes away from Palance in the best supporting actor category (he didn't bother me, but I like kids though not 14 year old girls). The anti-Western bias is more clearly seen in none of John Ford's westerns winning or High Noon being jobbed out of Best Picture the year before Shane.

There is some inside Hollywood political controversy involved in the heavily favored High Noon's loss to the The Greatest Show on Earth, which is arguably the biggest and most perverse upset in Academy Awards history. Nobody thinks of the 1952 winner as being a good film, never mind a great one. In any case, only 3 Westerns have won Best Pictures and actors in those films like Palance suffered accordingly. Nonetheless, Jack Wilson is a great role and Palance fit it well.
good to know.

Trivia question for the day --> what were those 3 Westerns to win the Oscar for best film? 

I know only one of them -- Unforgiven.

"Cowboys & Aliens" and "Wild, Wild West".

Boom!

Wild, Wild West doesn’t get enough credit for bringing Steampunk to a big-budget Hollywood film about half a decade before the style really took off.  There’s a lot to deservedly criticize, but stylistically it’s a pretty decent example of American West steampunk, and an early one at that.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Eja117 on December 14, 2017, 03:20:38 PM
Jack Palance as in the Skin Bracer aftershave commercial of the early 90s Jack Palance?

"Confidence is very sexy, don't you think?"  :laugh:

Never was one for 'old' movies. Shane is way before the vast majority of CBers time - maybe I should see what Jack Palance is actually known for.
His Oscar for City Slickers (as good a performance as it was) was supposedly a partial acknowledgement of his getting robbed of the supporting Oscar for his role in Shane.  he was a better heel in Shane than he was a tough-guy curmudgeon in City Slickers.

He was great, but I am not sure he was robbed. I would take his performance over Frank Sinatra's in From Here to Eternity, but Sinatra was surprisingly good in the film (and how he got the role is captured in Godfather 1 ;)). From Here to Eternity was a good film, a huge hit and, given its proximity to WW2, understandably so.

Westerns have always drawn the short straw in the Academy Awards and the kid in Shane took some votes away from Palance in the best supporting actor category (he didn't bother me, but I like kids though not 14 year old girls). The anti-Western bias is more clearly seen in none of John Ford's westerns winning or High Noon being jobbed out of Best Picture the year before Shane.

There is some inside Hollywood political controversy involved in the heavily favored High Noon's loss to the The Greatest Show on Earth, which is arguably the biggest and most perverse upset in Academy Awards history. Nobody thinks of the 1952 winner as being a good film, never mind a great one. In any case, only 3 Westerns have won Best Pictures and actors in those films like Palance suffered accordingly. Nonetheless, Jack Wilson is a great role and Palance fit it well.
good to know.

Trivia question for the day --> what were those 3 Westerns to win the Oscar for best film? 

I know only one of them -- Unforgiven.
No Country for Old Men
is that a western though?  I didn't consider it one when I saw it.
Cowboy hats. Guns. Bad guy. Takes place in the southwest. I think it checks a lot of the boxes.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Big333223 on December 14, 2017, 05:35:40 PM
Jack Palance as in the Skin Bracer aftershave commercial of the early 90s Jack Palance?

"Confidence is very sexy, don't you think?"  :laugh:

Never was one for 'old' movies. Shane is way before the vast majority of CBers time - maybe I should see what Jack Palance is actually known for.
His Oscar for City Slickers (as good a performance as it was) was supposedly a partial acknowledgement of his getting robbed of the supporting Oscar for his role in Shane.  he was a better heel in Shane than he was a tough-guy curmudgeon in City Slickers.

He was great, but I am not sure he was robbed. I would take his performance over Frank Sinatra's in From Here to Eternity, but Sinatra was surprisingly good in the film (and how he got the role is captured in Godfather 1 ;)). From Here to Eternity was a good film, a huge hit and, given its proximity to WW2, understandably so.

Westerns have always drawn the short straw in the Academy Awards and the kid in Shane took some votes away from Palance in the best supporting actor category (he didn't bother me, but I like kids though not 14 year old girls). The anti-Western bias is more clearly seen in none of John Ford's westerns winning or High Noon being jobbed out of Best Picture the year before Shane.

There is some inside Hollywood political controversy involved in the heavily favored High Noon's loss to the The Greatest Show on Earth, which is arguably the biggest and most perverse upset in Academy Awards history. Nobody thinks of the 1952 winner as being a good film, never mind a great one. In any case, only 3 Westerns have won Best Pictures and actors in those films like Palance suffered accordingly. Nonetheless, Jack Wilson is a great role and Palance fit it well.
good to know.

Trivia question for the day --> what were those 3 Westerns to win the Oscar for best film? 

I know only one of them -- Unforgiven.
No Country for Old Men
is that a western though?  I didn't consider it one when I saw it.
Cowboy hats. Guns. Bad guy. Takes place in the southwest. I think it checks a lot of the boxes.
I also think the the march of progress and society overtaking the wilderness is a big part of what makes a Western and No Country definitely deals with those tropes.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 14, 2017, 06:18:29 PM
#45 on the top 100 movies of all time according to the American Film Institute. #3 western behind The Searchers and High Noon.

Great film noted for it's cinematography which was unusual for the time. Jack Palance made a memorable villain in particular.
haven't seen the Searchers but High Noon was definitely a top classic.  quite possibly my favorite western that doesn't have John Wayne or Clint Eastwood.

I don’t really love The Searchers.

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence. Now that’s a great movie.
High Noon is another classic western not in my top 100.  The Searchers and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence definitely are.   

Once Upon a Time in the West, True Grit (original) and The Good, The Bad and the Ugly are a few at the top of my list. 
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 14, 2017, 07:00:12 PM
Cimarron in 1931 is the third Best Picture winning western. Recognized as the first Best Picture winner and a weak one in a weak year for movies. Its Oklahoma land rush scene with 5,000 extras is what's best known about the flick and it was a very expensive movie made at the depth of the Depression. It hasn't aged well, has a 50% positive rating on Rotten Tomatoes FWIW, and more a melodrama than a western too. The most memorable movies that year (M, The Public Enemy, Little Caesar, City Lights, The Blue Angel, Dracula, and Frankenstein) were not nominated.

I am over 50 and of course have seen Shane.

As for the movies colin mentions above -- you've got to see "M" if you've not seen it.  I haven't seen it in many years, but I can remember Peter Lorre's whistling as clear as day - chilling.  Fantastic film -- I think it was a German film if memory serves.  Not sure it holds up, but I bet it does.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: 2short on December 14, 2017, 08:09:51 PM
I don't know that I've ever watched the entire movie or if I'm confusing it with several other movies of that genre/era. 

Oddly, the first thing that comes to mind when I hear about "Shane" is multiple references in Roger Waters' "Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking" album.
Wow pros and cons
My old roommate would smile at that reference.  Sooo long ago
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: 2short on December 14, 2017, 08:13:22 PM
Ok
Read everything.  So I'm just about 50 to which i say OF COURSE I've seen Shane.  It's good.  I do believe that without any doubt in my mind Unforgiven is the best western ever made.  Side note from here to eternity was a deserving movie, great great book.  Thanks to mike and tommy for making me feel old compared to scal
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: slamtheking on December 14, 2017, 08:37:44 PM
#45 on the top 100 movies of all time according to the American Film Institute. #3 western behind The Searchers and High Noon.

Great film noted for it's cinematography which was unusual for the time. Jack Palance made a memorable villain in particular.
haven't seen the Searchers but High Noon was definitely a top classic.  quite possibly my favorite western that doesn't have John Wayne or Clint Eastwood.

I don’t really love The Searchers.

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence. Now that’s a great movie.
High Noon is another classic western not in my top 100.  The Searchers and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence definitely are.   

Once Upon a Time in the West, True Grit (original) and The Good, The Bad and the Ugly are a few at the top of my list. 
haven't seen Once Upon a time but agree True Grit and G-B-U are 2 of the best movies ever, not just westerns.  G-B-U is one of my all-time favorites--definitely best western for me
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Vox_Populi on December 14, 2017, 09:13:53 PM
For some crossover recognition, in the movie Logan (the Wolverine one) the Western that the little girl is watching in the hotel is Shane.

Shane's relation to Logan goes deeper than that:

https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/logan-movie-shane-reference-classic-western-film

Pale Rider, however, is the closest approximation/homage/ripoff of Shane. No villain near as great as Palance's Jack Wilson though. Great villains make a lot of films and the Bond franchise is a good example (excluding Roger Moore films). Just look at Daniel Craig's first and third entries vs his second and fourth ones.
Good article, definitely didn't catch all that. Logan clearly went for a contemporary Western feel which helped it stand out from some of the more typical comic book films.

I haven't seen Pale Rider, but if it's like Shane, I'll probably enjoy it.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: colincb on December 14, 2017, 09:16:28 PM
Cimarron in 1931 is the third Best Picture winning western. Recognized as the first Best Picture winner and a weak one in a weak year for movies. Its Oklahoma land rush scene with 5,000 extras is what's best known about the flick and it was a very expensive movie made at the depth of the Depression. It hasn't aged well, has a 50% positive rating on Rotten Tomatoes FWIW, and more a melodrama than a western too. The most memorable movies that year (M, The Public Enemy, Little Caesar, City Lights, The Blue Angel, Dracula, and Frankenstein) were not nominated.

I am over 50 and of course have seen Shane.

As for the movies colin mentions above -- you've got to see "M" if you've not seen it.  I haven't seen it in many years, but I can remember Peter Lorre's whistling as clear as day - chilling.  Fantastic film -- I think it was a German film if memory serves.  Not sure it holds up, but I bet it does.

"M" has a 100% critics rating and a 95% audience rating on Rotten Tomatoes. About as good a rating as you can get. It is a German film, but Peter Lorre was a Hungarian Jew who left Germany to escape the Nazis. It was Lorre's first big role, he had done comedy before "M," and was mostly a villain or a tongue-in-cheek villain thereafter. "M" is very creepy and not safe for family viewing.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: tstorey_97 on December 14, 2017, 09:34:26 PM
Saw the film. The Book was assigned reading in junior high...(1968)?

"Magnificent Seven"...now there is a western.
Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: ChillyWilly on December 14, 2017, 11:12:23 PM
I'm 41 and never heard of it before yesterday. Although I'm not a movie guy so I've never heard of most of them. I've seen all the Jaws even 4!

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Title: Re: Have you seen the movie Shane?
Post by: Emmette Bryant on December 14, 2017, 11:14:29 PM
Saw the film. The Book was assigned reading in junior high...(1968)?

"Magnificent Seven"...now there is a western.

That's funny I think I read it in 1968 in 9th grade (it was assigned)

I'm not that much into westerns I guess I got sick of them by the time I was out of high school.

My favorite westerns are probably The Wild Bunch and Sergio Leone's Man With No Name Trilogy.